GUEST LECTURER.
Every so often we get exchanges in the COMMENTS section that deserve a more prominent place on this blog. In the past, we've had priceless info from Tijuana Jailer and several others and I gave them the big platform. This is another one of those bits of info that cries out for a prominent place. The following is a response from Pepsi Man - don't ask, I don't know who he is - but he knows his stuff. The message is more important than the messenger so I accept it as a gift.
In response to Anonymous' question as to whether there has been intercepted NF/EME communication.
Yes in recent years it was discovered that the EME upper echelon approached the NF during the 2000 peace talks at the Bay. Members from all factions of the big organizations, EME/AB/BGF/NLR were encouraged by the CDCR at Pelican Bay SHU to walk freely among the SHU units to discuss the possibility of reducing prison violence in California prisons. NF was also offed to participate and bring 3 members of their organization to the table to participate in the peace talks and walk-abouts but the NF hierarchy refused. They (NF) claimed that they were currently under indictment in the "Operation Black Widow" case. But then so were EME members and they still participated.
Each organization gave assurances that no violence would occur during this process and all efforts were undertaken to involve the NF but proved futile. They refused.
One good result from the interaction between NF/EME was the establishment of the "Door Policy" at the Bay and Corcoran state prisons. CDCR staff had a penchant for popping the wrong doors during yard releases, showers, etc. of rival members and forcing an altercation. The result was Surenos/Nortenos, Carnales from both sides engaging in battle on the tiers. Many got shot or received additional sentences as a result of these "arranged confrontations". The leadership of both organizations agreed that; "if the doors were to open nobody was obligated to engage in battle unless they were challenged or threatened". It was called; "The Door Policy". It held and still holds the current policy at the Bay but unfortunately as of 3/4/11. communication was intercepted in Corcoran state prison that indicates that Surenos? Nortenos-NF/EME are engaged in open conflicts within the SHU with orders to attack each other even if "cuffed up" during escorts while under escort if anyone feels threatened or the need to. So it would appear that the door policy established in 2000 is finally starting to dissolve at least in Corcoran.
It does prove one thing though.. That the NF/EME has worked in unison in the recent past and can accomplish goals to reduce the violence if both feel that it benefits their respective organizations.
Peace.
Pepsi Man.
Saturday, April 16, 2011
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Carryover from previous Big Post:
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Calote and Sailor were never blamed for Cheyenne's killing because they reflected the overwhelming mood of the rest of the organization. The "blame" instead was assigned to Cheyenne for undertaking (on his own) this unpopular idea. That doesn't mean they were pleased with Chy's death, as he was still one of theirs, but they blamed Chy for his own demise.
As it turned out, Cheyenne sort of became the unplanned "sacrificial lamb" in that his death accelerated the CDC's move to forever separate these two adversaries.
As for the 1975 Bakersfield double homicide in which "Mundo" and "Sailor" ultimately pled guilty to, that question was a stumper but I did dig out the preliminary hearing transcript for that case. The "fire" was a smoldering pillow. The two NF brothers were executed in their Bakersfield home. The older Reyes brother, Ronnie, was stabbed to death and was found bound and gagged in one bedroom. His younger brother, Daniel "Woodsey" Reyes was shot to death.
The gunpowder residue found on the smoldering pillow indicated that it had been placed over the victim's head to stifle/silence the noise from the gun(s) used in this killing. The residence filled with smoke, prompting a witness to telephone the fire department who discovered the dead bodies and the smoldering pillow.
As for your reference to page 6 and 10, I can only guess that you mean "Photo Page #6" and "Photo Page #10"?.
The post by Pepsi Man will bring In The Hat readers up to speed with regard to current affairs and the specific question regarding EME-NF interactions in recent times. This man was part of that world and Wally and I would definitely defer to his knowledge/expertise.
Question to Pepsi Man: If you know, were these peace attempts something that these gangs (especially the rivals) seriously have considered?
Why would they even trust each other? I'm sure that each of these prison gangs had loud voices encouraging that these "peace efforts" be used as a ruse to conduct a strike versus the other group, don't you think?
Could you share some insight as to how some of those guys really thought with regard to the sincerity of "burying the hatchet"?
Peace ..............
Tijuana Jailer
To: Tijuana Jailer,
Yes, the peace talks were seriously considered by the EME not because they need peace but because it would benefit the organization as a whole. It was floated among the upper echelon of the EME and certain members of the NF but when it came down to it the NF wouldn't even participate in the peace talks. Nor was it even considered "peace" between the 2 clicas. It was a means to an end-for both organizations to get to the mainline so that they could conduct business. In the interim a cease fire would have been in effect.
What they settled on was the door policy when all was said and done but everyone was extremely careful not top call it "peace".
The NF didn't trust the EME members at the Bay. Lets face it, the scars run deep for the NF. Dozens of their Carnales have been killed by the EME and Surenos and to date only one EME member has fallen by the hand of the NF. unless I'm mistaken the war has been won. That is how the EME viewed it and continues to view it.
No, at no time did the participants in the Bay peace talks consider striking the NF or BGF. The participants gave their word to each other that there was no threat. The EME turned it's attention to internal politics. Solidifying their hit list and in the event that the peace talks were going to be shut down, to at least have one Carnal who was considered "a priority" hit. The 2 persons that the EME considered pulling out to kill in their own camp were Cuate Grajeda and Angel Valencia.
Believe it or not there was even talk of the Federal EME faction arranging peace with rival Hispanic orgs. in the Feds to increase power. Who knows the veracity of that piece of info, but if I was one of them I would attempt to co-opt other groups to create a national power base.
As it stands in the state, there will be no peace among the EME and NF. Any chance at that was during the existence of the door policy and that seems to be disintegrating little by little.
Peace.
Pepsi Man.
To: Younger With Game.
You're correct, there is a lot of EME infighting. That has always been the case, especially with the California EMEROS. It's the nature of the Beast. But you don't really see that in the FED EME. Champ Reynoso has a good grasp on the org. and is well respected by his brethren.
I can see the org. hooking up with cartels in the Feds. They have access to them on a daily basis as at least ten cartel leaders are currently in US Fed custody. What would you do if you had this awesome resource at your disposal? I know what I would do if I were one of them...Cultivate relationships. In fact, this is happening now. Bat Marquez from San Diego had ties with AFO and has reestablished ties in the facility where he is housed. Other members are doing the same.
So don't look at the immediate success, rather look at the potential for their growth once everyone gets on the same page. If that happens, which may be occurring now, according to CDCR sources, look out.
Obviously, the Big Homies are far removed from the streets and have difficulties "Locking it all down" as you put it, but look at their success to date as evidenced by the numerous federal indictment coming down across California. They are doing the damn thing one Barrio at a time.
Peace to you Amigo.
Pepsi Man.
as far as NLR & AB does one call shots for the other ? or are they totally seprate entitys working in a acordance ?
It sounds like the Mexican Mafia is a real threat. The problem is that our country, and this state of California, are broke. How much money can the tax payers really part ways with to address this problem? If we bankrupt the state, criminals, like the EME, win as well. It's almost a no-win situation. If the state is bankrupt, chaos occurs. If LE at all levels don't get the funding need to take on La EME, La EME just grows. There's really no common sense solution. Martial law could be the only answer. Perhaps militarizing places with high gang populations, like East Los Angeles. The do-gooders out there won't like it, but oh well. What is our other option? We also may need to eradicate the entire lifestyle which spawns gangs. Including rap music, "lowrider oldie" music, etc. Make English speaking mandatory. Make it a crime to speak Spanish specifically. With martial law police would be able to use physical force on the streets without probable cause. Anything that looks or acts un-American, pull out the night stick and give them a couple of whacks. This sounds cruel, but if EME really is this much of a threat, something has to be done, and we don't have the money to use constitutional resources in stopping EME. Martial law needs to be declare on EME and the entire social and ethnic culture in which it spawns. Either we're serious about this, or we're not.
To Anonymous regarding the AB/NLR
The AB calls shots over the NLR unless something has dramatically changed in the past couple of years. In approximately 2000 the AB inducted various NLR members into their organization in an effort to co-opt the NLR. There were 2 factions of the NLR, one resistant to AB influence. They were the FTB faction. FTB stands for: "FUCK THE BRAND".
As with any organization, including the EME, there will always be gangs resistant to being controlled or surrendering their autonomy. I am no expert on White gangs so maybe one of the other visitors can post something on this topic.
Peace.
Pepsi Man.
To Anonymous:
The Mexican Mafia is the problem...Not the Mexican people. You are speaking of alienating an entire race in California. What of the law abiding citizens that speak Spanish or the Law Enforcement officers who speak Spanish? People who pay taxes and live normal lives. People who have no gang ties or commit no crimes?
The locus of this issue does not lay within the ethnicity of the group but rather in the common characteristics that all criminal enterprises utilize. Sure there are social ills, and systemic failures that contribute to gang proliferation but who among us knows the answer to the plague of gangs? None.
The courts are bound by laws and the US. Constitution as are you. Though we all have opinions, some more radical than others, violating the rights of others is not the answer.
I'll bet you the EME wanted the NF to start attacking blacks, and that's why the NF walked away from the table. That's the part you left our, right Pepsi man?
Sincerely,
Coke man.
To Coke Man:
No, the EME wasn't interested in having th NF hit the Blacks. That war was won already too. The EME just wanted to get back to the Mainline (General Population) to do business. The peace offering was real form the EME. They gave their word and these men were "Carnales de palabra." Brothers of credibility or Brothers of word.
In fact, the EME knew all of the old BGF members at the table and were friends with them from years before. You have to understand that most of the racial violence in prison isn't about racism. The EME wasn't racist. That's not to say that there aren't racist EME members because there are. But the racial violence is typically a display of power.
The EME just wanted to get out of the SHU and clean house (kill members in disfavor) and stretch their legs a little. As crazy as that sounds, it's true.
Peace.
Pepsi Man.
Anonymous said...
To Anonymous:
The Mexican Mafia is the problem...Not the Mexican people. You are speaking of alienating an entire race in California. What of the law abiding citizens that speak Spanish or the Law Enforcement officers who speak Spanish? People who pay taxes and live normal lives. People who have no gang ties or commit no crimes?
The locus of this issue does not lay within the ethnicity of the group but rather in the common characteristics that all criminal enterprises utilize. Sure there are social ills, and systemic failures that contribute to gang proliferation but who among us knows the answer to the plague of gangs? None.
The courts are bound by laws and the US. Constitution as are you. Though we all have opinions, some more radical than others, violating the rights of others is not the answer.
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Whew. A liberal take, finally! What a breath of fresh air. StillNoScript, you have competition!
would the cdc actually let them out of the shu if they came to terms with the nf bgf ? ok they would nt attack there enemys but they would attack there internal enemys ? wouldnt that be the same violence is violence whether its brown on black brown on white or brown on brown ... wouldnt it just be better to send them out of state somewhere in the midwest or the east coast ? it just sounds crazy a bunch of made mexican mafia members on all level 4 yards , tention would be at an all time high in those places.
I would like to quickly touch on two topics that are important to know when one studies the mind set of the EME's intentions. What you see isn't necessarily what you are getting. Read on ..................
The Mexican Mafia No Drive-By Edict of 1993:
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Does anyone really believe that the EME was really concerned about saving innocent lives when they declared this edict on Latino street gangs in Los Angeles? Yet you had well known politicians and community activists virtually sponsoring the EME for sainthood. "We don't care who's responsible for bringing an end to this senseless blood shed but it has to stop!" was the rallying cry. In their understandable frustration, people were willing to make a "pact with the devil" to end the murders of innocent people. We now know that this was merely a manner of entrenching themselves into the neighborhoods. Anyone who violated the edict were ordered to be beaten or killed by other Surenos. The result of the no drive-by edict: street gang leaders who were once utilized to enforce this edict are now the EME tax representatives in these same barrios and they are the people who collect the gang taxes and drug cuts and transfer funds over to EME.
Today, this seemingly noble move to "stop innocent bloodshed", although welcomed by many, has proven to be but a red herring for a much larger ambition. The carnales are profiting greatly from this decision. How can an EME prisoner locked up in a Super Max (federal prison) or at Pelican Bay (maximum security SHU in California) control and oversee street gang members on the outside paying taxes to their reps? The answer is, it is indeed happening in that world as I type this.
Does The EME Hate Blacks?:
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Once again (and thank you, Pepsi Man, for confirming what I've detailed in the past) the EME never hated blacks because they were black. In the prison system, blacks would always vie with Chicanos and hard core whites for control of segments of the prison black market.
When the EME came into existence, not only did they threaten main line prison inmates of ALL ethnic groups, but blacks became their most formidable opponent behind bars. The EME-NF "rivalry" was almost a side show in comparison.
For the EME it was about control and power, simply put. They relied heavily on the Fear Factor and black inmates, accustomed to pushing their weight around especially against some of the weaker white inmates, became preferred targets for EME.
In more recent times we find that identified and "validated" EME members enjoy the hospitality of the SHU (Security Housing Units).
Today, when they coordinate their Sureno base to attack blacks in prison or on the streets, it isn't because they have this intense hatred for anyone whose ancestors originated from Africa. This is, once again, a POWER move. As evidenced in what resulted after the no drive-by edicts, many people miss the primary motive of this group.
Peace ................
Tijuana Jailer
To SNS,
Actually, I'm pretty conservative. Lol.
In a lot of ways, the Norteno/Sureno war on the streets of Northern California reminds me of the Palestine/Israel conflict. Here you have people in their homeland (Nortenos/Palestinians) being invaded by bigger and more powerful occupiers (Surenos/Israelis). Like Israelis, Surenos really don't have a reason for taking over Norte Califas. They're just doing it for the sake of it, just as Israel is bullying Palestine just for the sake of doing it. They both show a pattern of bigger, more powerful "states", or "regions", if you will, having an insatiable thirst for even more power. If you're to compare the Sureno and the Mexican Mafia to the militant Jew and Israel, it really puts the Norteno/Sureno conflict into a context that's easier to understand. Just a thought.
To Anonymous:
Yes the CDCR actually entertained the idea of negotiating with the EME/BGF/AB/NLR/NF in an effort to reduce violence across the state but there objective was also to reduce inmate assault against CDCR staff who were being targeted. Not in a concerted effort but the level and severity of assaults on staff were steadily on the climb in most prison.
They were so serious that the brought in the Asst. Director of Corrections and certain elected politicians from the California Senate participated by sending their representatives to attend the negotiations. It was serious but ultimately the Brass at CDCR smelled that there was danger in the agreement and backed away like the participants had the plague. It just goes to reinforce what Tijuana Jailer says: that there were well known politicians and community activists virtually sponsoring the EME for sainthood. "We don't care who's responsible for bringing an end to this senseless blood shed but it has to stop!" That was the position of certain Senators when it came to EME negotiated peace.
As for sending the Prison gang members to another state, known as "Out-sourcing". That has been attempted and has failed. All it does is metathesizes the malignancy. Think of it as spreading the cancer and allowing it to grow in a variety of different organs within the body.
Believe it or not there are already multiple Federal EME members in a variety of states (East coast, Midwest, SW) throughout the U.S. The Bureau of Prisons plan to dismantle the EME by sending the members to all corners of the Union has only increased the Mexican Mafias influence and power within the Federal prison system.
To Tijuana Jailer; You are welcome. You articulate perfectly how the organization utilizes power as a means of control. Not in the form of racism but as a terroristic tool to flex at will. The Organization has fostered that reputation of ferocity and violence and has created a true criminal enterprise out of a simple prison gang.
Peace Folks.
Pepsi Man.
{Like Israelis, Surenos really don't have a reason for taking over Norte Califas.}
I know this isn't a site for Israeli vs. Arab politics but I think your view depends on what prism you are seeing this through.
Chew on this for a second for some
facts regarding Israel.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWJ9yS0IbYg&feature=player_embedded
Norteno/Sureno = Israeli/Palestinians? Eme is like the Israeli's. Israel is bullying Palestine.
SNS why you posting as anonymous? Is it because after all the caca you've talked about this blog you don't want to admit you've come crawling back? Maybe if you could go 100 or so posts without letting your politics shine through like a diamond in a goats ass you might be able to remain anonymous.
Just a thought.
everything that is being said is true. out here in Pacoima all the warring varrios have been told to stop banging on each other or face the consequences and are also being taxed on a weekly basis. interesting.
When I said Israel was bigger, TJ, I meant power wise, not to mention financially. They have a much more powerful military than Palestine. The parallels between the Mexican Mafia and Israel in regards to their unnecessary bullying of neighboring states are endless.
lol. What's endless is the way you try to take any and every topic and inject your politics into it.
Same old same old.
Woo hoo! Bye Bin Ladin!
Obama administration = Bush Administration...with results!
Anonymous said...
lol. What's endless is the way you try to take any and every topic and inject your politics into it.
Same old same old.
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Interesting you say that when Wally's been doing that with this blog for 8 years. He takes gang stories, mostly involving the Mexican Mafia, and finds a way to blame Democrats for it. That's all he does with this blog, and all he's done with his book. So, glass houses.
The Clinton administration already knew Osama was a terrorist and they had at least 3 chances to take him out but refussed. This was pre- 9/11 and would have saved thousands of lives.
The Bush administration had several chances to take Osama out as well but Bush also refussed to give the green light.
Obama issued the green light because... well lets face it. This is his only chance for re-election.
question about the mexican mafia presence in the san fernando valley ? : does one member control the whole sfv and gives portions of the proceeds to other made members of the sfv ?
do made members consist of the major old time gangs like san fer pacas bvn blythe canoga or do some of the newer gangs have made members as well : vineland nhbz nhls etc etc ?
You bet your ass. THAT'S the way you handle terrorists. We sent a team of Seals into a foreign country that we are not at war with; and in the dead of night they conducted a raid and EXECUTED that fucker. No arrest, no Miranda warning, no trial, no civil rights.
Just shoot that fucker in the face TWICE. In front of his 12 yr. old daughter. Who gives a fuck if he's unarmed. And when his old lady gave them some shit they popped a cap on her ass too. Fuck em. They're al-Qaeda.
GREAT FUCKING CALL. ABOUT TIME WE HAD A PRESIDENT WHO UNDERSTANDS HOW TO GET THINGS DONE!!!!!! WE NEED A HAWK LIKE THAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!
And how did they get the intel about the Nom de Guerre that was Osama's courrier? The person who led them to Osama
From waterboarding KSM back in 2003.
Wow. I want to be a "Guest Lecturer" at the In The Hat blog!
This is like a blog version of American Me, except without Edward James Olmos's hard left slant!
I would support every draconian gang measure they put on the ballot if they just allowed cruising again. I hit Whittier last Sunday, first Sunday of May before Cinco, and not a soul. Even in OC, La Habra, where a lot of people still at least try to cruise. Frankly I think society deserves gangs as we see them for ending cruising. Take the one thing Chicanos like to do and outlaw it. Now Chicanos are scaring the shit out of whites with their head to toe tattoos, wall covering graffiti, and gun shots by the minute. Boo fucking hoo.
Obama got him! Good day to be an American. Bad day, however, to be a right wing hater.
"He takes gang stories, mostly involving the Mexican Mafia, and finds a way to blame Democrats for it."
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Show us one thread where Wally "blames" anything on democrats. They're all there. Every thread he's ever put up. Find one. Then get back to us.
If that's "mostly" what he does it should be easy for you.
Your game is as weak as ever.
****This is like a blog version of American Me, except without Edward James Olmos's hard left slant!****
'Don't look at me, Puppet'.
FYI: Not only does the EME tax
San Fer street gangs but it now has the green light off all but one of the Maravilla street gangs as they are no longer a "tax free zone".
They impose a tax in every California state prison where you find Surenos, in the L.A., Orange, S. Berdoo and San Diego county jails and in the feds. The rate will vary and the average rate in the prison system in Cali is 10%.
One member controls all of SFV and the slice of the pie is heaviest with the street rep who receives the revenue from his street crew (enforcers). These reps are NOT EME members but higher level gang members who "work" for the 'M'.
The smaller percentage of the pie goes to the imprisoned 'M' member who has a designated person (wife, sister, brother, or whoever) who ultimately receives this cut and redirects it to another area (drugs, bank accounts, etc.).
When you multiply the "smaller percentage" times the number of gangs out their under a member's control, the amounts are significant.
Not EVERY gang in SFV has a 'made M member' but every gang in SFV falls under the 'M' umbrella with a rep or reps ensuring that ALL these gangs pay the piper.
Obviously, when a gang balks (temporarily decides they don't want to give up their hard earned money), they are placed on a 'green light' list until they get back in line. And they ultimately do.
Check with any street gang member who has done time in any of the above venues and you will get the overwelming consenus to confirm this.
stay on topic unless you heard bin laden had ties to the mexican mafia , besides the whole bin laden thing is a movie " ficitonal " so dont get all excited , people are still loosing houses theres still no jobs and the economy is in the dumps , worry about that , cause that a real sad thing : the middle class is getting wiped out , next thing you know people with graduate degrees will be working at mikey d's , osama is dead so what ?
the topic here is mexican mafia prison policies , go figure.
Does anyone have any credible info. about the current status of the AB/EME alliance ?...Either in the Feds or CDC ?..THANKS.
There's no Mexican Mafia. Where's the proof? A piece of paper that has a list of a bunch of gangs and what money they owe? Give me a break. Anyone could have made that. Yes, gangs exist. And they're a product of poverty. The Mexican Mafia is HOGWASH!
I've been doing some research on Timothy McGee. I've come to the conclusion that he was no homeboy, regardless of whatever status he had in the Toonerville varrio. He was a serial killer. Nothing more. How many of his kills were even varrio enemies? Seems all of them were just innocent people walking around Atwater and South Glendale, coming home from menial jobs. One of his victims was just painting a portrait at the concrete river? Furthermore, he was a serial killer who used young homeboys from Toonerville to carry out his sick deeds. It's surprising Toonervilles' veteranos didn't see right through him. Maybe it was a time when a lot of them were locked up or retired, for lack of a better word.
is the guy from toonerville now a full fledged memeber of the mexican mafia ?
what was the beef over , between the california mexican mafia & the texas mexican mafia and was there ever a resolution ? and wouldnt these 2 joining forces bridge together a wider gap ? and were does mexican mafia with all the other latino prison gangs now that federal prison has become a new playground for orginizations like these ? : arizona - new & old mexican mafia , new mexico - sindicato nuevo mexico & los carnales , texas - texas syndicate & mexican mafia & barrio azteca & tango blast , east coast - latin kings & netas...
a made dude from Sanfer is actually the one in charge all all valle business at the moment. there were a few out here doing business but ultimately they all fell off in favor for the Sanfer "big homie" due to not handling the business as it should have. that is a huge slap in the face of Pacoima homies whi for yrs had an upper hand on every body else because thgey always had one or two "big homies " backing up theyre play. im sure they arent too happy with the current situation but they have to respect it or face the consequences.
has there ever been a power struggle between the made members from pacoima vs the made members of san fer ? and what about the made members from canoga or bvn or blythe st how do they make it all work ?
10:04, you bring up an interesting reality that doesnt' get discussed often here. How do guys suddenly get along with sworn enemies on the street once they get to prison? The truth is, you're on to something. They absolutely don't. That's why prison gangs will never develop into anything resembling a "mafia".
To: Tijuana Jailer what do you know about Bear from Canoga park?I remember he was in Folsom in the late 70s,if you go to mundo's book,there were two street murders that occurred in 1979 in Canoga Park.
is bear from canoga still around ?
im not to sure anybody from bvn or blyth are "made" but they do have several soldados just like many sfv gangs do, cpa? not sure. sf and pacas however have always had made members and yes there have been incidents and "hating" between the two on many occasions. and dont believe the lie that once your a emero you leave your gang behind, these made guys look out for there respective varrios first and also specifically tax there hoods too becuase its easier. besides any hood thats being taxed by one of there homeboys that is hooked up will always get special treatment too.
Does anyone know how many made men control Northeast Los Angeles? This would include El Sereno, and the various varrios of Lincoln Heights and Highland Park. Have there been any recent power struggles among any leader(s) of this area? Are there alot of full fledged members from these areas?
mmmm i think there might be a jura among us! why the questions about these areas and about who's runnning what?
First off if your readin this wally ,you got a very interesting blog goin on informin people on all this history of socal n norcal gangs. I know this blog is for cali business although im from nyc I still read your blog but anyway I wana shout out my neighborhood $PANISH HARLEM 116 VAGOS GANG SHOOT FIRST NEVER FOLD GANG 117.116.110 $T. BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE MEXICANS HERE KICC UP DUST
if people like boxer and others have spilled all they know in a major way , i dont think law enforcement needs to come to this blog to get there info ? they go straight to the horses mouth and get detailed insight.
also it is very hard to believe that as old as canoga bvn or blythe street are they dont have full fledged made members of the MM ?
Almost all of the commenters here are cops. If you didn't know that by now...
No real homeboys are going to give up the information that these guys do. Dont' be fooled by these commenters who try to sound like cholos. They're just weirdo cops who like to act hard core behind their computer, because they're envious of the gangster life.
Question:
Is Richard Kugler (Chico) from San Fer a made guy? He often brags how during the 1990 EME Peace Treaty he held the keys for San Fernando and controled them because he was a made guy. Kugler often puts down Fly and Mikey Green Eyes and refers to them as lops.
there's always jura among us. just ignore them when they start asking too many questions.
May 20, 2011
Inmate weapons recovered after Folsom prison riot
By Carlos Alcalá
calcala@sacbee.com
More than a half-dozen inmate weapons were recovered after a riot this morning at one of the two state prisons in Folsom, officials said.
The riot involved about 150 inmates at California State Prison, Sacramento, according to the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation.
The weapons included six knives made by inmates and a cane.
At least two inmates at California State Prison, Sacramento, were stabbed multiple times and were taken to an outside hospital for treatment, following the riot at about 10 a.m.
One was in surgery late this afternoon and his condition was unknown.
The second suffered a broken eye socket and broken left hand. He was in stable condition.
Two more were taken to the hospital and released back to prison. A final two were still being evaluated for injuries.
Prison officials did not identify any of those involved, nor their racial or ethnic groups.
The riot took place in the exercise yard of B-Facility, a maximum-security unit in the prison, said LeVance Quinn, a spokesman for the CDCR.
Various groups were involved, but no specifics were available, Quinn said.
Although rival organizations within a prison sometimes spark riots, it was not immediately clear what caused this fight.
Once things get started, inmates may battle out of confusion, Quinn said.
Prison staff quelled the melee with rubber bullets and pepper spray as well as one warning shot fired using a lethal round.
The entire prison is on modified program, or lockdown, during investigation of the riot.
Officials are trying to evaluate recordings from multiple video cameras to determine who started the riot, who actively participated and who merely was caught in the chaos.
The lockdown will continue in B-Facility until further notice.
California State Prison, Sacramento, is in Folsom, but is distinct from Folsom State Prison.
It houses about 3,000 inmates, primarily in maximum security for longer sentences.
Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2011/05/inmate-incident.html#ixzz1N027702A
Quentin just had a riot too. Anybody know what's kickin off? TJ ?
whats up with the sgv gangs? who controls them?? Did'nt cisco from from puente get busted & jacko drop out?
Are the eme trying to move the bakersfield border futher up so they can start expanding further north
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