RADIO ALERT.
For those interested, Armstrong and Getty will have me on the air in about 15 minutes. Sorry for the late notice but that's life in the big city. I've been told they podcast so you can catch it online.
At 12:40 Pacific time, WCCO in Minneapolis on The Jack Rice Show. I think they live stream and podcast as well.
More to come.
Thursday, July 26, 2007
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heard you yesterday on npr! wally fay!n haha good interview although you forgot where tonerville is! atwater foolio!
Thanks for the heads up on the Jack Rice show, Tony. I listened to the podcast, good to hear your voice and put this study in context. You raised a lofty point in your mention that probably the best way to put a real kink in Eme's process is to eliminate the communication from prison to street. We all know the wilas can be silenced by a stronger degree of custody, but that would be unconstitutional. There's a long line of defense attorneys who'd love to whine that case while the juggernaut continues to procreate across the country.. Your book, if it sells and gets read, sounds a warning, can only be a good thing.
I too had to chuckle at Jack Rice's mention of "asking permission" to enter and conduct investigations in certain neighborhoods! "They had Mac-10s and we only had 9's" G-man sounded kinda "woosie", no?
Bottom line: You play well on the audio, generate a sense of order and comprehension of the "phenom". Keep it up, just forego the video, bud. We want to keep you among us.
Well it looks like Mr. Anony-Mouse aka Jethro has renewed his weird obsession with me.
http://barfinthehat.blogspot.com/
This guy is in serious need of attention or therapy, que vato mas loco.
dq
Good afternoon Gentlemen,
PLEASE SOMEONE answer my question. Does the EME still have a No-Driveby Edict? I still hear of Drive by shootings in LA and SD, but that is lumped up with all types of gang shootings. I understand that if someone drives up, gets out, and shoots, they still (the media) classify it as a drive by shooting. We just had some vatos from PH LOCOS down here in SD do a Driveby on some older Lomita Village cats, and they pulled a straight up Drive by. Pulled up, shouted their hood, and blasted from the car. Results? Two dead. They were caught after bragging and now will be arraigned. Word on the streets is they are going to get it when they hit State. But come on now, to be real about it, I am unsure if it still goes unchecked, or if the paperwork must be read first. Do they usually pull the "okie doke" on these situations? You know, let them think they got away with a drvie by and then BAM! Hit them when they least expect, or do all drive by'ers go to SNY? If El Montero, Gava, Don Q, SVVBS and the likes can please provide some feedback, I'd greatly appreciate it. This is a highly contested debate among my circle, with some saying the pendulum swings in different directions depending on the circumstance.From what I always understood, it was always NO DRIVE BYS. PERIOD. Gracias and much respect to all. Thanks again. -Jose619
That ManCow interview went well.
Although, he should have cut you off and cut to break for you insisting the Mexican Mafia is today what the Italian Mafia was 40 years ago. In 1967, the Italian mob practically controlled the entire construction business on the eastern sea board. Nice fear mongering there, Wally. Although, props for clearing it up that the Mexican Mafia is a 'homegrown' organization, even if the cover of your book is plenty enough for casual onlookers to assume that it's a Mexican national organization.
Gangs in the military:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/28/eveningnews/main3107316.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_3107316
Seems like the GDs have a big military faction, but if you watch the video segment you can see "SUR 13" painted on an Iraq blast wall.
atc
Tony, Wally..TJ...or whatever your name is. All three in one.
Rather than paste the entire article, below is the link to an interesting piece:
http://www.policemag.com/Channels/Gangs/2007/07/25/History-of-the-Mexican-Mafia-Prison-Gang.aspx
WHAT HAPPENED TO GANGS, COPS, AND POLITICS???..WHERE IS EVRYONE??.AM I IN THE RIGHT HAT?..WITH LOVE,LOS ANGELES RESIDENT..
That's nice you're on the radio Wally.
Talk about this stuff: http://www.cjcj.org/jjic/myths_facts.php
and how important it is to keep the fear frenzy going (despite the decrease in youth crime even amongst the dot.com, housing, and U.S. economic bubble's popping) so that those who still make a decent living will support all that new security, law enforcement, military, and continue adding to the huge existing body of legislation and laws (despite the falling crime rates) so this tightly controlled society can become much more tightly controlled.
I'm old enough to remember how it used to be. The old West. Freedom to make your mistakes and learn from them. Those were the days youngsters believe it. We sowed our wild oats and made mistakes along the way sure but we learned from them under the discipline of our caring parents (not prosecutors and jailers).
Those days are long gone. Everything is zero tolerance today. I'd hate to be a teenager trying to come into adulthood today in the midst of zero tolerance, stiff sentences, aggressive law enforcement, and an ever increasing body of new legislation designed to punish pretty much everyone for everything real and imagined.
This example I heard on Geraldo kind of tripped me out. This 13 year old swatted a girl on the butt at his junior high as a greeting and she swatted him back. Now this is just what I remember hearing but that boy was facing (heard this on Geraldo) a maximum of 385 months in prison with sex offender registration for the rest of his natural life.
Thank God the public outrage forced the crazed district attorney to drop the many felony accounts against this child. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1185249323232820.xml&coll=7
But he's still pressing for misdemeanor convictions and registration though?
Dear Lord, weren't these "zero tolerance" prosecutors ever kids?
Way too serious. We used to just suspend Johnny and make him say he was sorry for such behavior. Maybe write I will not swat Jane on the butt on the blackboard about 100 times after school or so.
I don't think long stretches in prison and forced registration as a sex offender is the way to go here. I don't think the future looks bright for American folks. It's going gulag.
crickets * crickets*
everyone must be reading the new book
Santiago said...
IN THE HAT SCOOP:
Check out the book signing OP photo of our handsome and all around nice guy Tony Rafael at,
http://www.museumnews.net/story.asp?ID=220637&Title=Murder,%20Museums,%20and%20Media%20Blackouts
And do visit his world class blog at,
http://www.inthehat.blogspot.com/
Saturday, August 4, 2007 8:15:00 AM PDT
I'm on chapter 2. Wally, I was really hoping to see "stillnoscript" in your special thanks. Next time, ey?
So far, it's about what I expected. Kind of a cop tale. I don't know if I understand your rationale for not wanting to factor any sociology into your historical account of EME. You really don't say why. You just instead say that you'd rather point out how the organization operates. I'm early into this book, but I sincerely hope you'll point out how come of the corrupted guards in the CDC, that worked side by side with prison gangs for a little under the table overtime, contributed to what EME's become, too. I really hope your book doesn't suggest they somehow built Rome, WITHIN THE CALIFORNIA PRISON SYSTEM, on their own...I'll continue to read on.
I missed it by about 10 days, I will have to DL it.
Read your book last week as soon as I got it Wally, good read and a real page turner. I do have some critisisms but I'll let you bask in your deserved celebrity for now and will wait for you to ask for comments on your book.
Congrats again Wally.
PS Anonymouse posted up my name up above while on one of his phony, obsessive gran mal induced fits.
poor boy still pushing his "barf in the hat blog"
hey dq i check out that sight you posted its pretty good
http://barfinthehat.blogspot.com/ at least no censorship, go check it out wally, the shit gets a bit much sometimes but it also opens up lines for comuntication dont censor the comments let them go where they may take you.
Has anyone read the book? Is it any good?
Anonymous said...
crickets * crickets*
everyone must be reading the new book
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Or people have realized that Wally has been to busy to monitor this blog and have strayed elsewhere.
DO THE MONGOLS STILL HAVE A GREENLIGHT
Wally is not the only one saying low life cholos are tageting blacks.
Latino gang makes blacks its target in Canoga Park
BY RICK COCA, Staff Writer
CANOGA PARK - Nickson Gilles came to Southern California last summer with dreams of carrying a football to stardom - first as a Pierce College running back, then maybe at USC or even the NFL.
Instead, he was carried out on a stretcher, his dream shattered by a shotgun blast that police say was leveled at him by an alleged member of the Canoga Park Alabama gang.
Gilles, an African-American from Florida, was shot in the neck, shoulder and left eye Sept. 3 after the Pierce Brahmas' first game of the season. It was just one of many attacks against blacks that landed Canoga Park Alabama on L.A.'s list of most dangerous gangs.
The Latino gang hasn't hidden the fact that it targets African-Americans in this community, which just two years ago earned the prestigious All-AmericaCity designation, largely due to its racial diversity.
The city's gang list and another that branded Gilles' accused assailant, Fernando Araujo, one of the city's most wanted gangsters offer little solace to Gilles, who has undergone three eye surgeries and hasn't played football since he was shot.
"That whole tragedy messed up my whole life right there," Gilles said in a phone interview from Florida.
Since July 2006 there have been 12 shootings targeting Canoga Park blacks. Following two recent attacks, police have stepped up warnings to African-Americans to be wary of Canoga Park Alabama.
http://www.dailynews.com/ci_6552619
most of these killers from AVES are self conffessed druggies all tweaked out on coke,pcp, and meth. Not only that but they're kids mostly. Its easy to see how some young locos without direction could turn out like this...what i really wanted to know more about was Alex's ascent and how he carried himself to become a carnal....did his uncle pull some strings since he obviously weilds tremendous power...another interesting note was that the higher ups were the least tatted of the Aves...good read...it could go on forever...maybe we'll get five parts like harry potter or in this case Peludo Macetero
good article on cpa
http://www.dailynews.com/ci_6552619
LCN would never have risen to the level they are at if a high percentage of their upper level
gangsters ( capos and above ) were addicts.
EME will never rise to the level of the LCN if they continue to let a high percentage of addicts join their ranks.
That's just the way it is. Dope addicts don't consistently make good decisions concerning the long term well being of an organization.
Until EME changes this policy, all the talk about EME approaching the level of the LCN is rhetoric.
Hey DQ,
Any cops in jail due to the MacArthur Park fiasco?
Any cops fired?
As the clock ticks vato, it tells the tale concerning our debate.
Emotion is a real bitch when you let it determine what comes out of your mouth.
I would think an old veterano like you would know better.
I guess not.
StillNoScript still posts up, but now he does it anonymously because he doesn't want to get called on his shit.
His last post a while back blaming white cops for gangs is funny as hell.
If we just had fewer white cops, or even none at all, the gang problem would be solved.
He also claimed gangs started as "neighborhood defense organizations". What a spin. He forgot to tell us why it is then that they end up preying on people in their own neighborhood 99% of the time.
He just can't help himself with his infatuation with these gangsters. But then again, it only serves to give weight to the old adage "ladies love outlaws".
whats happening just checking in to see whats going on.
Yup and waiting to see my comment posted.
Jose619.
The pin is filled with drivebyers who go to PC. They git smashed on from time to time.
StillNoScript said...
So far, it's about what I expected. Kind of a cop tale. I don't know if I understand your rationale for not wanting to factor any sociology into your historical account of EME.
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I guess he left out the chapter of the "root causes" of gangs. Racist
white cops, poverty and lack of oppurtunity in the ghetto/varrio.
That's why 10% of poor people in the ghetto/varrio join gangs.
Maybe Tony's rationale for leaving that chapter out is the FACT that 90% of the poor people raised in the same environment DON'T join gangs. Maybe Tony realizes that it's an idealistic pie in the sky attitude like this that insults the intelligence of not only the unbiased reader, but also of the 90% of the poor people in the same conditions who DON'T join gangs.
You see StillNoScript, if you make excuses or justify why these predators join gangs, you discredit the other 90% who made the right choice and didn't choose a life of crime.
Is the thought that 10% of ANY given population may be predatory just too uncomfortable for you to
conceive?
What is your hypothesis for the 90%
who DON'T join gangs?
What is your hypothesis for the many gangsters who have siblings in law enforcement?
You can't have it both ways pal.
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StillNoScript also said...
but I sincerely hope you'll point out how come of the corrupted guards in the CDC, that worked side by side with prison gangs for a little under the table overtime,
contributed to what EME's become, too.
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Another weak attempt to lay blame
at the doorstep of someone else.
It is true that there ARE crooked guards, crooked cops, and crooked prosecutors. They draw them from the human race. But for you to suggest that the EME would not be the force it is without help from the man is disingenous at best, intellectually dishonest at worst.
EME didn't have any help from the man getting started, and it would flourish without any help from the man. The fact that there ARE a few crooked guards who made it easier for them along the way is minutia. I, much like you would like nothing more than to see these guards rooted out and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. For you to suggest however that EME is the force they are today due to a few dirty guards along the way is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to voice your contempt for the system.
Nice try but your insinuations are assinine.
A small percentage of people choose a life of crime, most don't. It's that simple.
Until you answer the question as to how the same set of parents who raised their kids in the same environment, with the same values,
have one kid who is a gangster and one who is not your pedo is nothing more than idealistic rhetoric.
wally i know your busy so just open up the comments or shut this shit down
Whats up peoples....i am trying to find out names of gangs in Oxnard.....i only know of 1 Colonias Chiques.....is there any others......
Thanks Santiago for the link. There's Wally in all his glory, autographing copies of his book for the museum crew in Montecito. Them be some happy ladies, and Tony be looking good in the gray stripes, checked shirt and the red power tie.Is that a Mont Blanc pen? Surely it's no Paper Mate.
I envision these gentried ladies snuggled in their Montecito mini-mansions reading and becoming more and more appalled at the realization that the same people who trim their hedges, sweep their pools, and maybe clean their houses have relatives who engage in the kind of dastardly acts portrayed in your book. You've done well if they catch a clue.
Tell the truth now, you're not strapped with the Glock and the K-bar at that function are you?
To close I have to quote Hannibal Lector when he finished his meet with the mother of the kidnapped girl in Silence of the Lambs:
"Oh by the way Governor, nice suit"...
Anonymous said...
"StillNoScript still posts up, but now he does it anonymously because he doesn't want to get called on his shit."
It's amazing you'd mock someone for posting anonymous while you do as well. Could you blame SNS if he decided to go undercover? Why should he be one of the 3 or 4 people here, out of the 50 or so that regularly post here, to have a tag there for everyone to beat up on? Him going down low like the rest of you is probably the smartest move he's made on this blog.
"His last post a while back blaming white cops for gangs is funny as hell."
Is he wrong?
"If we just had fewer white cops, or even none at all, the gang problem would be solved."
It might be. Or, if we had more white cops that understood the inner city, as opposed to suburban brats with an attitude.
"He also claimed gangs started as "neighborhood defense organizations"."
Most did.
White Fence did.
Almost all gangs that date back before the 1970s (and many of the big ones do) started off as exactly that. The LAPD would never tolerate minority defense organizations. They did every thing they could to break them up. That is in fact what spawned the L.A. Chicano gangster as we know it. Divide and conquer. If you agitate them enough, leaving them little to no recourse (sleepy lagoon), they'll take it out on each other.
Add drugs to the mix and you have the scene you have today. Do you have a better history of L.A. gangs? If so, let's hear it.
"What a spin."
How so?
"He forgot to tell us why it is then that they end up preying on people in their own neighborhood 99% of the time."
Not at the start, they didn't. As neighborhood organizations began to turn on each other, neighborhoods began to turn on themselves, as well. Today, yes, gangs are victimizers of their own communities. Nobody said they weren't. But they didn't start off that way. The LAPD made them that way. The LAPD had two options: Active Latino organizations that would inevitably gain political clout, or Latinos at war with each other. What do you think the LAPD of the early to mid 20th century rather would have had?
"He just can't help himself with his infatuation with these gangsters."
What infatuation would you be referring to? IS there such a thing? If there is, could it be your envy of such an infatuation that makes you so offensive toward anyone that explains the history of gangs and points out their politically oriented beginnings, again, regarding gangs existing before the 1970s?
I mean, you're the one who pointed out such an "infatuation". Would you care to elaborate on it?
"But then again, it only serves to give weight to the old adage "ladies love outlaws"."
I don't think ladies love outlaws. I think ladies love confident men, some being good, many, obviously, being bad, rather they're on a street corner or in a board room, bilking people who've worked 30 plus years out of their retirements.
I think you're too hung up on envy. It sounds to me like you have a great life, but you still have a lot of those feelings compressed from your adolescent days, perhaps via losing a girlfriend to a cholo? I don't know. I just ask the question. Because you really seem to be hung up on the envy aspect.
Per chance, are you the same guy that's always stalking the myspace pages of teenage girls dating gang members, and posting the links here?
I think you're looking at the whole thing the wrong way. People are people. And, when you get in the inner city, elements like poverty, drugs, and let's face it, a police department that pulls tactics on the poor that it would never get away with on the rich, you're going to get a violent environment. Who are these girls supposed to date, Wilder Valderama? I'm sure they would. But where will they meet him? In the meantime, all they have is the homeboys in their neighborhood, who are confident, tough, good looking guys, but obviously trapped in a violent cycle. these girls then have a fantasy of changing them and making them better. It's not like they wake up one day and say, "I'm going to piss off middle aged, retired Chicano cops by dating cholos". So, don't take it so personally. It's not as bad as you think it is. And, one day, Chicanos, Blacks, poor whites, and everybody are going to get it together and overcome the violent cycles their put into. The system works against them, but enough good people taking over the system can change that. I see that happening in the future. Isn't that what you want, too?
http://www.museumnews.net/story.asp?ID=220637&Title=Murder,%20Museums,%20and%20Media%20Blackouts
LOL ^^^
Jesus Christ, the women in that photo look like their finger is really on the pulse of the Chicano community, don't they?
Remember when rich white women used to read horror romances? Now, their horror is Mexican immigrants and prison gangs. ...Perhaps their romance, too? YEH, BABBBYYYY!!
Oh, sorry. Don't get jealous, old Chicano cop. I'm sure they get moist over dirty cops with a grudge against their own community, too.
It is sad to see a good blog die. The need for such a blog has not.
LCN wouldn't have made it anywhere if they didn't have Jews directing them. Even they admit it.
MONGOLS ARE STILL GREENLIGHTED,NOTHING HAS CHANGED,NOT A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS PUTTING IN WORK THOUGH FROM WHAT I SEE OF THEM OUT RIDING WITH THEIR COLORS ON.
1973
A.-36 inmate murders occured in behind bars in 1972, 30 of wich are attributed to the Mexican mafia.
B.-[LUCHA] Director Eduardo Aguirre flees to Mexico with $146,000 of the groups funds after a federal audit finds $300,000 in federal funds missing from the groups cofers causing the collapse of the program.
C.-Community concern 'an L.A., based community self help organization,' recieves $ 1 million in federal funds. Ex-convict Rafael 'Chispas' Sandoval a man with ties to Italian organized criminals including Jimmy Coppola is the director. Sandoval also expanded Eme's political ties donating several hundred thousand dollars to Richard Alatorre's campaign for the California assembly.
June 01, 2005 10:52 PM
Anonymous said:
January 15, 1977
Robert Lewis special assistant to Senator Alex P. Garcia (D-Los Angeles) is gunned down by Eme members. Lewis was tied in with Michael Delia's Project Get Going.
June 01, 2005 10:53 PM
Anonymous said:
February 1, 1977
Eme member Gibert Roybal is shot to death in his Fresno home by Alfred "Alfie" Sosa, Daniel "Choco" Montellano and Manuel Torres after announcing his plans to defect from the gang. The hit was ordered by Robert "Robot" Salas.
June 01, 2005 10:54 PM
Anonymous said:
February 20, 1977
Eme godfather Robert "Robot" Salas, Alfred "Alfie" Sosa and Armando Varela are arrested in Monterey Park and charged with possession of a concealed weapon. Sosa and Salas are released on bail but Varela remains in custody and begins co-operating in the investigation of the murder of Ellen Delia resulting in the re-arrest and filing of murder charges against Salas for the murders of Gilbert Roybal and Delia. Eddie "The Sailor" Gonzales has also provided information in 9 Eme murders
March 26, 1977
Alfred "Alfie" Sosa is arrested and charged with the murders of Ellen Delia and Gilbert Roybal. Sosa was apprehended in Tiajuana, Mexico.
October 14,1984
Alfred Arthur Sandoval [Arizona Maravilla] shoots and kills Gilbert Martinez and Anthony Aceves [Mariana Maravilla] a third victm "Manuel Torres survives the attack.
October 31,1984
Ray and Marlene Wells are shot excecution style in their home in Belvedere Park. Alfred Arthur Sandoval [Arizona Maravilla] is charged in these murders
June 01, 2005 10:56 PM
Anonymous said:
1992
Deputy Edward Roman is stabbed in the Los Angeles county jail by a suspected Eme member armed with the sharpened end of a broom handle. Deputies find a 4-inch metal shank hidden in the rectum of Eme associate Eulalio Martinez. Martinez is later killed for failing to carry out attacks against deputies at the county jail.
February 1992
American Me a film about Mexican Mafia icons Joe Morgan and Rudy Cadena is released starring and directed by Edward James Olmos. The film offends Morgan and a contract is issued to eliminate Olmos and Eme members who served as advisors on the project.
March 1992
Charles "Charlie Brown" Manriquez a 53 year old Eme veterano is gunned down while walking through Ramona Gardens. Manriquez had served as an advisor to Olmos during the filming of American Me, authorities recovered an American Me business card from one of his pockets.
May 13, 1992
Ana Lizarraga a Ramona Gardens gang counselor and consultant on the film American Me is gunned down by Jose "Joker" Gilbert Gonzales [Big Hazard] a 29 year old parolee "out less than a month," was apprehended fleeing the scene of the crime.
April 1995
A.-Eme Godfather Benjamin "Topo" Peters ends the conflict between Gallardo and Big Hazard arranging a peace agreement which led to Gallardo's removal of the Green light on Big Hazard in appreciation for Joker Gonzalez's murder of Anna Lizarraga. Rascal Gonzalez was Joker's brother.
B.-Assisted by Ernest "Chuco" Castro, 12 Eme members are arrested at the La Mirada Holiday Inn.
September 21, 1995
Vincent Castro Caldera an Eme associate [anserwing to Alex "Pee Wee" Aguirre] and leader of the Avenue's gang is arrested in the murder of 3 year Stephanie Kuhen. Her family had taken a wrong turn down a Los Angeles street and was caught in a barage of gang gunfire. Avenue's gang members Anthony Rodriquez, Manuel Rosales and Hugo Gomez are also held
June 01, 2005 11:03 PM
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The Mongols used to get together at the RoadHouse bar in Duarte, CA. every Sunday, I would see a group of about 50 drinking and playing pool.
I have not seem them latlely I am not sure why. But the times they were riding on the weekend during the day they all wore thier Mongol jackets. I guess there is safety in numbers.
Anonymous said...
"StillNoScript still posts up, but now he does it anonymously because he doesn't want to get called on his shit."
"If we just had fewer white cops, or even none at all, the gang problem would be solved."
It might be. Or, if we had more white cops that understood the inner city, as opposed to suburban brats with an attitude.
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Does this sound like Don Culo again defending the cholo and blaming the gavacho cops for all the criminal activity of the cholos?
How many latinos in Los Angeles would want to see every cop in L.A. disappear? Only two morons like SNS and Don Culo would make such a ridiculous statement. The old cholo does not realize that the LAPD will soon have mostly latinos cops.
I am sure Don Culo has also gone undercover because every reader has come to realize the mayate hating old cholo is a nothing more than a payaso.
But you have to give him credit for providing the entertainment on this blog. He continually keeps us all laughing and responding with his ridiculous comments. Although I wonder how many readers have left because of his insults of anyone who does not agree with him.
Alrato Vatos Locos
Hey GJ those old ladys that our own Wally/Tony is schmoozing up in the photo Santiago hooked us up with (thanks bro!) are not living in Montecito in "mini mansions".
No GJ in Montecito you'll find the real deal Mansions de veras, with polo pony stables and fields, lawn bowling, croquet fields and all that shit.
I was on a CYA fire crew there in 1964 and there were so many fires in Califas at that time that when we rolled into Montecito the fire station was burning down and the whole town was evacuating.
We being the only fire crew there along with one CDF pumper truck were of course immediately assigned to protect the huge estate of a guy named Jackson (one of the wealthy USA high Brahmin), he had stables for 25 horses that were so plush most people would love to live in them, a full blown polo field, a huge maids and butlers quarters that we stayed in, New York steaks and all we could eat, a jukebox, tv, y todo. We were there a week protecting the assholes estate, first time I ever saw how different the wealthy lived from everyone else, before that I thought the family from "Leave it to Beaver" were the wealthy people in the USA.
When we got there the fire was coming right down the canyon and the caretaker was so fucking scared he drove a new Lincoln right through the garage door cause it wouldn't open fast enough. We held the line a 100 yards from the estate and saved the rich motherfuckers mansion.
In the meantime the powers that be decided to save Montecito by back firing the whole town of Carpenteria. When the Forest service showed up to burn it down they were met by a real posse of Carpenteria homeowners packing major quete power and chased off the govt fire bugs. Funny as hell!
Tony/Wally must be really working it with the old gray haired Republican matrons of Montecito, Sali Vale! scare the shit out of them with tales of wild Mexican Indians taking over the country and breeding like flys, Ohmigawd!
Wally onward and upwards sell! sell! sell!
dq
An Anonymouse Loco rambles.....
If we just had fewer white cops, or even none at all, the gang problem would be solved."
It might be. Or, if we had more white cops that understood the inner city, as opposed to suburban brats with an attitude.
"He also claimed gangs started as "neighborhood defense organizations".
Most did. White Fence did.
Almost all gangs that date back before the 1970s (and many of the big ones do) started off as exactly that. The LAPD would never tolerate minority defense organizations. They did every thing they could to break them up. That is in fact what spawned the L.A. Chicano gangster as we know it. Divide and conquer. If you agitate them enough, leaving them little to no recourse (sleepy lagoon), they'll take it out on each other.
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You arguments are ridiculous, weak, wrong and just plain stupid. The 18th gang which is the largest Latino gang was started in the Pico-Union District because recent Mexican immigrants could not join the Clanton Street gang of (Mexican-American) Chicanos. The 18th street gang was formed by the recent Mexican immigrants to protect themselves from Clanton St. and other gangs.
The M.S.-13 gang the second largest Latino gang was started by recent immigrants from El Salvador who lived in the Rampart area to protect themselves from other gangs mostly the 18th Street gang who at time did not allow Salvadorenos to join their ranks.
Most Latino gangs did not start as "neighborhood defense organizations" but as means for the newest poor Latino immigrant to protect themselves from other gangs in the neighborhood. Many tagging crews have also joined gangs for protection from gangs not cops.
The Clanton street gang made a bad tactical decision; Clanton St. did not realize that Los Angeles was going to have so many Mexicans coming to Los Angeles. Now the 18th gang and MS-13 gang will allow a Latino from anywhere to join their ranks. Both actively recruit to continually grow their ranks and that is why they are the largest, not because of white cops or even poverty. Latino gangs are found in any city with a large Latino population and most are not living in abject poverty.
To say that gangs flourish because white cops don’t understand them or the inner-city is just ridiculous. Los Angeles gangs such as 18th street and MS-13 have spread all the country, and to Mexico and Central America. Too say it is because of white cops in Los Angeles is just stupid. Sureno-13 gangs are spreading wherever a cholitos parents move him. There are small cities all over the country which now have gangs because of the migration of young cholitos not the migration of L.A. cops.
So you’re telling us that when Los Angeles has mostly Latino cops Los Angeles will no longer need or have gangs? Will the gangs in other cities also disappear?
Alrato Vatos Locos
TALKIMG ABOUT LCN ... WHICH FAMILY of LCN??? YER TRIPPIN . MAYBE THE BUSH ADMIN BUT NO, NOT LCN. COLLABORATED, YES. DIRECTED?NOPE
Wally,
Are you concerned about your safety now that your book is in print?
The Lone Cabron
Anonymous said...
LCN wouldn't have made it anywhere if they didn't have Jews directing them. Even they admit it.
LCN made alliances with Jewish mobsters way back when The Chairman Of The Board, Meyer Lansky, and Lucky Luciano were friends. They have continued to this day. Many Jews are associates of LCN. They cannot be made men. Many do play am important part of certain crews.
That being said, it is a VERY small part of the overall picture.
To say that LCN wouldn't have made it "anywhere" is pure naivete.
It's like saying the EME wouldn't have made it anywhere without their "associates".
Don Quixote is MIA.
StillNoScript is posting anonymously.
These two wing-nuts have been put in check, and no longer wish to use this blog to shout from the rooftops:
"Life for everybody would be grand if it wasn't for Bush/Republicans and the LAPD".
90% of their posts came back to that same old, tired, bullshit argument. Congratulations Wallista's, you have seen them for what they are and have put them in their place.
StillNoScript still posts, but he chooses to do so anonymously, so he can't satisfy his need for attention anymore. He's stated that he'll take his 15 minutes
"anywhere he can get it". What a sad pathetic egotistical view. It's a victory for all the rest of us Wallistas that this clown will no longer be able to shout "Look at me" with his rants.
I won't miss either of them. The only thing they brought to the blog was their hatred for "Mayates","gavachos" "rednecks"Bush/Republicans, and the LAPD.
That's all their shit was about.
Hate. No intelligent discourse nor any debate based on common sense.
It always came back to their boogeymen.
Good riddance.
Jodido! heres another scandal from our Republican moral Grand Poobah's,
and I'm still not through laughing about the Louisana Republican Senator, who not only wanted to impeach Clinton for blow job activity but then got outed by hookers in DC and New Orleans for his freakish fetish of having the dirty legs diaper him up and change his poop.
Now I thought that was sick but now comes this "Young Republican" who's thing is going for a dudes chorizo while he's asleep!
Well its not surprising, the Republicans have been trying to screw the US public while we were asleep for the last 7 years.
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Young Republican official leaves post
Criminal investigation under way
By Larry Thomas
THE EVENING NEWS AND THE TRIBUNE (JEFFERSONVILLE, Ind.)
JEFFERSONVILLE, Ind. — The chairman of the Clark County (Ind.) Republican Party — who last month was elected president of the Young Republican National Federation — has resigned both posts, apparently in the wake of a criminal investigation.
Tuesday, Glenn Murphy Jr. e-mailed media outlets a letter announcing his resignation from both positions, citing an unexpected business opportunity that would prohibit him from holding a partisan political office.
However, the Clark County Sheriff’s Department on Friday began investigating Murphy for alleged criminal deviate conduct — potentially a class B felony — after speaking with a 22-year-old man who claimed that on July 31, 2007 Murphy performed an unwanted sex act on him while the man slept in a relative’s Jeffersonville home.
Murphy, a 33-year-old Utica resident, has not been arrested nor has he been charged with a crime. A copy of the police report has been posted on a politically focused Internet site and another was provided to a reporter with The Evening News and The Tribune on Tuesday evening.
Larry Wilder, Murphy’s attorney, said Murphy is cooperating with police and Prosecutor Steve Stewart. Wilder said Murphy contends the sex act was consensual.
A reporter was unable to reach Stewart on Tuesday evening.
In 1998, a 21-year-old male filed a similar report with Clarksville police claiming Murphy attempted to perform a sex act on him while he was sleeping. Charges were never filed in that case.
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Hey shouldn't this midnight creeper join the "Log Cabin REpublicans"?
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that wasnt me checking in, i think that ese wally took all of thyour info wrote a book and got paid, so don, still no and other vets, lets me know the new blog address, puro pedo
I am in the process of reading the book and I have to be honest it has pretty disappointing. It should have been named " The Avenues & all of them who told" After all the the hype I expected a comprehesive story a "so-called prison gang" that I for one don't even believe exists. But all I got was a courtroom drama about vato's who couldn't take the heat and started blaming everything on thier chldhood friends? Even one who was only 15 yrs. old at the time?! Come on and sack up and take your own beefs! Also "Tony" or whatever your name is I saw your face and you're either an ex-cop or an disgruntled ex- D.A. Not the down vato you purported yourself to be thru your verbage and knowledge of streetlife on your onetime informative blogspot. You may sound like a a vato but you showed your true colors when you spelled "Paisas" as "Paisos?!"Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha! LOL ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE VARRIO! CleanVato.
Hey:
I don't know who posts under what name, who ghost-posts, whatever. But some of you seem to know quite a bit about gangs and prison culture.
This blog is clearly no longer a going conern, but we all know people are desperate for information about this stuff--it's growing, and it's important.
Why doesn't someone start up their own, similar blog? Post the address here, so Wallistas past can follow. It's incredibly easy to do with google.
Why don't I do it? Well shit, I'm just a tourist. Not a cop--don't care if you think I am--but also not someone with intimate knowledge of the situation. I'm trying to learn more about it.
So why doesn't someone do it? There's a lot more people like me who want to know more, who will go to your site if you keep it up. Maybe you can become a big-time print author too busy rolling around in stacks of money to keep up your blog someday, too.
No offense, Wally. Thanks for all you do.
Anonymous said...
"I guess he left out the chapter of the "root causes" of gangs. Racist
white cops, poverty and lack of oppurtunity in the ghetto/varrio."
Yes, he did. Putting that chapter in could have helped the book. Instead, it's merely a biography of a D.A.
"Maybe Tony's rationale for leaving that chapter out is the FACT that 90% of the poor people raised in the same environment DON'T join gangs."
Why would that be a reason for leaving it out? There's still a reason people join gangs. There's still a reason families are "broken". There's still a reason there are so many more "broken" families in poor areas as opposed to rich. There's still a reason that bullets fly more in poor areas than they do rich.
"Maybe Tony realizes that it's an idealistic pie in the sky attitude like this that insults the intelligence of not only the unbiased reader, but also of the 90% of the poor people in the same conditions who DON'T join gangs."
Sure, so he plays it safe and sais that it's the family unit that can only prevent a gang member. Being his book is only marketed to right wingers to begin with (I'm probably the only non right winger that bought the book, and I'm not joking), this is typical.
Of course it's the family unit. But what breaks down the family unit? Are you and Wally going to insist that poverty and drugs simply can not do it?
"You see StillNoScript, if you make excuses or justify why these predators join gangs,"
This comment would suggest that there is in fact NO REASON people join gangs. You said it yourself, they're "predators". And anyone who dares brings up a reason that they're predators is "making excuses" for them.
Are you saying that there's no reason whatsoever people join gangs? They just wake up one morning and decide to join? Because if not, something has to make the predator.
If it's the parents that made the predator, something had to make them the predator.
Again, being that so many of these predators, ...I'll go with, 90 PERCENT, thank you, come from poor areas, wouldn't that somehow suggests that poverty can certainly make a ...predator?
"you discredit the other 90% who made the right choice and didn't choose a life of crime."
I didn't discredit anyone. I ask why those who join gangs made that "choice". What caused it?
"Is the thought that 10% of ANY given population may be predatory just too uncomfortable for you to
conceive? "
Is the thought that poverty could contribute to their being predators, which is already supported by mountains of statistics, too uncomfortable for YOU to conceive?
"What is your hypothesis for the 90%"
A lot of that 90% are immigrants, here to work. Out of Mexican Americans, I'm betting that number is smaller than 90%. Out of Mexican Americans 25 and younger, I'd put it even much lower. There are A LOT of gang members. Way too many for me to buy into your slick attempt to convince us that 90% of Chicanos 25 and under in the greater L.A. area's poorer neighborhoods have no association with gangs whatsoever.
"What is your hypothesis for the many gangsters who have siblings in law enforcement?"
Whatever it may be, it doesn't change the fact that the majority of violence in America is in poorer areas.
"You can't have it both ways pal."
I've never asked for it both ways. Just one. And, now it's your turn to hypothesize. Why is most gang violence in poor areas?
"EME didn't have any help from the man getting started,"
If there are corrupted cops and guards, as you've admitted, then they certainly did. One corrupted guard could do a lot of damage, especially in the pre digital age where there was little oversight.
"The fact that there ARE a few crooked guards who made it easier for them along the way is minutia."
If there are any, how do we know it's only a few? Has there ever been a full investigation by an independent panel? You're saying there's only a few. Why should anyone believe you? Sure, a few have been caught. By cops. By I.A. investigations looking to nail a couple of people for popcorn healdines, but certainly to prevent a can of worms from being opened. Without an entirely independent commission, we'll never know. A law enforcement person like yourself admitting that such corruption does exist doesn't bode too well with that, does it?
One crooked cop is too many.
"For you to suggest however that EME is the force they are today due to a few dirty guards along the way is nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to voice your contempt for the system."
LOL. What system? And, how would you define contempt? I believe in the constitution first and foremost. I'm sorry if that's too anti establisment for you.
Again, one crooked cop is too many. A few is way too many. And, that's assuming it was even a few. The few were the ones sent up river by I.A. investigations, with certain political precautions.
"Nice try but your insinuations are assinine."
And your claim that there were only a few corrupted guards falls short.
" Until you answer the question as to how the same set of parents who raised their kids in the same environment, with the same values,
have one kid who is a gangster and one who is not your pedo is nothing more than idealistic rhetoric. "
Any explanation would not change the fact that most gang violence happens in poorer areas. And, speaking of "pedo", you're the one claiming that there were only a few corrupted guards in the CDC throughout the years. Don't make us fucking laugh.
Anonymous said...
Yeh, I'm sure whoever posts as StillNoScript is the ONLY person who might leave a critical review at Amazon. Especially when professional reviewers and journalists have already taken Tony Rafael to task for his being in the right wing, anti immigration loop (Rafael/Wally is a blogger at David Horowitz's website).
Wally/Rafael is no reporter. He's a right wing propagandist. Why else would he associate himself with the likes of Victor Davis Hanson, the hate monger who penned "Mexifornia", who's praise of Rafael's book is right on the back cover!!!???
This book is not about the Mexican Mafia. There is no such book. A Mexican Mafia member couldn't even write a book about the Mexican mafia because the inner politics and monumental shifts in power and control in the criminal underworld take place on practically a daily basis. Most accounts are from cops and turncoats. I'd say the most reliable are from journalists. But is Rafael a journalist? He's more of a columnist. He gives opinions, and seeks information to suit his opinions, leaving out a whole shit load.
Gary Webb is mentioned above in this blog, by your guys' hero, Script. Take note that Gary Webb was never in his liftime a columnist. He reported, period. And, he actually reported on stories that tended to favor a right of center slant before getting the lead on North and his involvement with the crack trade. Even after that story, he worked for an independent Sacramento rag and mostly reported on the careless spending of the Calif. Democratic legislature. This man is no bleeding heart liberal. He's probably one of the greatest and most daring journalists of our time. And, the SJ Mecury News debunking him? HAH! NOBODY debunked him. The SJ Mecury, the LA and NY Times, only CRITICIZED his story, and pointed out a lack of verifiable sources regarding irrelevant points in the story. To this date, there is NO DEBUNKING whatsoever of the CIA's role in drug dealing during the Iran Contra affair. The LA and NY Times were the first to take down Webb, with is own paper later following suit.
This StillNoScript guy seems to be exactly what he claims to be, someone who aspires to make films and is probably slumping away at some job in Sacramento until he gets that big break that he deep down inside knows will probably never come. A political debater he's not. But on that token, you guys should thank your lucky stars that StillNoScript is young, uneducated, and doesn't know how to call you guys out on your bullshit. Trust me, I do. And, I'll be checking in regularly.
August 16, 2007 1:48 PM
WHY NOT JUST COME OUT AND SAY WHAT THESE GUYS CLAIM?
NEWARK, N.J. (AP) - August 15, 2007 - As authorities continue to hunt for the remaining suspects in the cold-blooded killings of three college students, they have publicly downplayed any organized gang involvement despite mounting anecdotal evidence that suggests a possible connection.
Friends and neighbors have said some of the suspects, at least three of whom are juveniles, claimed to be involved with the El Salvador-connected MS-13 gang, according to published reports.
In addition, several images on a computer showed one of the juvenile suspects making hand gestures associated with MS-13, and numerous references to the gang have cropped up on some of the suspects' MySpace pages, the New York Times reported for Wednesday newspapers.
Though they have not gone as far as to discount a gang connection, authorities have indicated that the references may merely signal that the youths aspired to be associated with the gang.
"There is nothing in this case that indicates a gang angle or gang initiation," Police Director Garry F. McCarthy said at a news conference Tuesday. "At this point, the motivation is robbery, whether or not a 15-year-old kid claims he's a gang member. You can drive around any neighborhood in Newark and you'll see bandannas and tattoos. Guess what? Everybody isn't a gang member."
The nature of the crime - which authorities said began as a robbery and ended with the three friends forced to kneel in front of a wall before being shot in the back of the head - also may provide some clues, according to an expert on local gangs who has tracked gang activity in the greater Newark area for more than 20 years.
MS-13 members "are the most vicious of all gangs - Latin Kings, Bloods, Crips," said Salaam Ismial, director of the United Youth Council, a locally based group with affiliates in several other cities including New York and Washington, D.C. "They have no remorse. They'll cut your throat in a minute."
Ismial said he began noticing the presence of MS-13 in Elizabeth, which has a significant El Salvadoran population, within the last 10 years. He said members of other gangs have told him they consider MS-13 to be the roughest group, even by street standards.
"The Crips and Bloods, they'll do street fighting with knives and guns, that kind of stuff, but these guys will chop you up," he said. "It's not the kill, it's the whole dynamic of the kill."
The three Delaware State University students - Terrance Aeriel, 18, Dashon Harvey, 20, and Iofemi Hightower, 20 - were murdered late on the evening of Aug. 4 in an elementary school playground.
Since then, authorities have arrested and charged three people: two juveniles and 28-year-old Jose Carranza, an illegal immigrant from Peru. They are seeking two other juveniles as well as 24-year-old Newark resident Rodolfo Godinez.
MS-13, which stands for Mara Salvatrucha, originated in Los Angeles among immigrants from El Salvador in the 1970s and 80s and has since spread to parts of the U.S. and Central America, where it is involved in human trafficking, kidnapping, and drugs and weapons smuggling, according to federal authorities.
In 2005, the government used federal racketeering statutes to indict 19 alleged MS-13 members in Maryland in connection with seven murders and other crimes including kidnappings and assaults over several years.
Can anyone tell me about the AL CAPONE gang in LA? Why did they call themselves this and are they in effect still? -Jose619
It is now known that the 13 year old shooter exited the vehicle.
Per witnesses, the kid exited the vehicle. The kid is GP, and southriding.
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