Tuesday, November 29, 2005

TATI TORREZ KILLED IN SUPERMAX
Thanks to an email from a reader, we just got word that MANUEL "TATI" TORREZ, a 64-year-old Emero, was killed in Florence supermax by other inmates. Torrez was serving a 160 month sentence that he picked up in the second of the big Eme Federal cases prosecuted by the US Attorney's LA office back in the late nineties.

In that case, US vs. DETEVIS et al, the USA rolled up bunch of Eme members and second tier associates. Tati apparently took a plea at the time. Some observers have speculated that Tati provided information in exchange for some sort of benefit. If he did, he must have had a lousy lawyer because 160 months for a guy in his fifties doesn't sound like much of deal.

So far, nobody has been charged with the Torrez murder. According to the local TV station in Florence, this was the first homicide to occur in that facility. But it probably won't be the last.

Over the years, a number of LEOs with a lot of experience with the Mob have speculated that sending made guys into the Federal system is like pollinating the fields. It just gives the brothers another area for recruitment. We may be seeing the first public evidence of that. LEOs have tracked Eme recruitment in the Feds for some time and have warned against putting them there in the first place.

As a commenter mentioned some time back, Torrez was tight with Bala Talamantez back in the day. Bala made it into the history books when he hooked up with George Jackson in Quentin just before Jackson made his famous escape attempt.

Just for the record, Tati was stomped on and beaten and finally one of his killers jumped off a bunk and landed both feet on Tati's chest. That's the way it happens prison style. When shanks are hard to come by, feet will do.

111 comments:

Anonymous said...

Appears as if eMe business is catching up with the elders. Look, numbers are the absolute, quality of soldiers has no doubt....

SANA FxTroop should be weary by this
revelation...and any eMe business....
sitting UP...and forward actions...

BY ORDER OF La eMe to AB, PEN1 to off
NLR associates should take note ese..

WORD

Anonymous said...

If you live "by the sword", eventually you die by the sword.
If you wish to live a quality life, you make "that move" and DO NOT look back! If you do, you're through. Rest in peace, Tati.

Who's next?

Anonymous said...

"BY ORDER OF La eMe to AB, PEN1 to off
NLR associates should take note ese.."


I apperciate your writting syle but help this citizen figure this out--are you saying EME told AB to use the PEN1 to war with NLR??

Anonymous said...

the rumor mill,all the potenialy deadly prison stigmas and the bizarre politics are just some of the reasons to avoid prison. check this story out for the extreme and whacky methods this hapless wood went to in hopes of staying alive. some of you have probably heard about this epic drama but for those who haven't:

http://www.westword.com/Issues/2000-05-25/news/feature.html

Anonymous said...

AN OLD LION ROARS NO MORE...
HEY BIG HOMIE R.I.P

Anonymous said...

Is this the same Torres mentioned in the Eme timeline that survived a shooting by Alfred Arthur Sandoval in which Gilbert Martinez was killed?

Anonymous said...

thanks wally for posting my email means alot its been a few months that i read inthehat and i find it intresting keep up the good work

Anonymous said...

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Prison inmate beaten to death
65-year-old first Supermax killing
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April 22, 2005
A 65-year-old inmate from California has been beaten to death by another inmate at the Supermax federal penitentiary, the first inmate killing at the 10-year- old Florence facility, which houses some of the country's most notorious criminals.
Manuel Torrez, serving a 13 1/2- year term for racketeering in California, died about 9:45 a.m. Thursday in a hospital after being transported from the prison complex by ambulance.

At Supermax, the nickname for the highest security prison on the federal correctional campus, inmates often are locked in their cells all but one hour every day and are kept from mingling with one another.

Torrez, however, was housed in a general-population unit and was allowed about 13 hours outside his cell per week, some of it among other inmates in group exercise sessions, prison spokesman Mark Collins said.

The FBI is working with the Bureau of Prisons on the investigation. Both agencies declined to identify the inmate suspected in the assault. Torrez was beaten on the face, neck and chest, the coroner said.

Supermax houses such high- profile prisoners as Oklahoma City bombing conspirator Terry Nichols, 1993 World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef, Unabomber Ted Kaczynski and would-be terrorist Richard Reid, who attempted to ignite a bomb in his shoe on an airliner.

Anonymous said...

best news all month!!keep killing those fuckin lowlifes

Anonymous said...

WHY? YOU CAN'T DO IT!....LOOSER!

Anonymous said...

CITIZEN WRITES:

"I apperciate your writting syle but help this citizen figure this out--are you saying EME told AB to use the PEN1 to war with NLR??"

YEP

Perception is reality.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering - what the NLR did to get everyone jumping on them?

Anonymous said...

what happened? tend to think this aint going down. those NLR boys are some seriously nutty fools--fairly deep, totally down and crazy as hell. they are like the extreme sports version of the AB.
i have heard more than a few veteran southsiders (eme?--dont ask dont tell) give props to the NLR as true warriors. how the hell is PEN1 gonna take this suicide mission? who the hell are these guys (pen1)?, they are originaly a socal car right? from where?? there is only so many gangster woods in california and when you take away nlr,ab, bikers, rednecks, white cholos, whiggers and your average dope fiend or criminal wood doing time that just fights when his race is being attacked there aint much left.

Anonymous said...

I hear the PEN1 used to be a chapter of the Valley Depeche Mode fan club that got arrested for stealing clove cigarettes.

Anonymous said...

Some NLR's just got busted up in Northern Cali in Martinez for a meth lab to fund there activies. There's a few up here in the Sacramento area, and in the Bay Area.

Anonymous said...

Inmate Beaten to Death at Supermax
Colorado's maximum security federal prison, often referred to as Supermax and the Alcatraz of the Rockies because it is home to some of the nation's most serious offenders, lost an inmate to violence Thursday. 64 year old Manuel Torrez was "viciously beaten" by fellow inmates.

Prison staff and medical personnel tried for about 20 minutes to resuscitate Torrez, but he was pronounced dead at a nearby hospital. Fremont County Coroner Dorothy Twellman says Torrez endured a "vicious" beating, suffering severe injuries to his face, neck and chest. It's the first alleged killing of a prisoner at the hands of other inmates in Supermax history.

Torrez was serving a 160 month sentence for a racketeering conviction from a 1999 California case. The case was one of the second wave of La Eme ("Mexican Mafia") gang indictments that charged 27 defendants with a variety of drug offenses and four murders, three attempted murders, 13 conspiracies to commit murder, four conspiracies to assault and conspiracies to distribute drugs. (Copley News Service February 02, 1999.) One of those murdered was a man named Victor Murillo.

Murillo was an interesting character because he had been in the first wave of La Eme Indictments, and after a trial in 1997, was the only one of 13 defendants to be acquitted. The other defendants, all convicted (ten later received life sentences) broke out in a cheer for him. (New York Times, March 14, 1999.)

In the 1997 Mexican Mafia trial, the defendants were accused of ordering or participating in the killings of three people who advised actor/director Edward James Olmos in the making of the movie ''American Me,'' which tracks the gang's history. (Copley News Service, February 02, 1999.)

A year later, Murillo was murdered in a parking lot. Torrez had been intercepted on a wiretap discussing the possibility of having to take out Murillo, but ultimately, it was a co-defendant named Charles Woody who was charged and convicted for killing Murillo.

Torrez pleaded guilty in the case to conspiracy to commit racketeering and had additonal racketeering and drug charges dismissed as part of a plea bargain. The sentencing memorandum is under seal, which makes it likely Torrez cooperated. (Sources: PACER, New York Times, March 14, 1999, and New Times (Los Angeles), August 9, 2001.) The headline to the New Times article is "When a key informant in the Mexican Mafia began plotting a murder, the FBI did nothing to stop him" and is available on Lexis.com. It is referring to co-defendant, Charles Woody, not Torrez.

So, why was Torrez killed and where were the guards? Was it retaliation for Torrez' being a snitch against Woody and/or others?
Or did he do something at Supermax that angered the other inmates? If a conspiracy was brewing to kill him, did the guards not get wind of it?

Somehow, I doubt that Ted Kaczynski or Terry Nichols or even Ramzi Yousef had anything to do with Torrez' murder. It's just not their style.

Posted Saturday :: April 23, 2005| Inmates and Prisons

Anonymous said...

no disrespect to anyone but most brothers or carnales ive noticed are not mexican im not judging their heart or character so is the mexican mob really mexican??

Anonymous said...

PEN1

Get the earwax outta your headgear and listen up.....

ANONYMOUS WRITES:

"how the hell is PEN1 gonna take this suicide mission? who the hell are these guys (pen1)?, they are originaly a socal car right? from where??"

Marked Headstones at Westminster Memorial park, Orange County, CA. can offer up car crash tributes to the talents of PEN1.

If you wanna call it "TALENT"
I call it murder outright.

PEN1 is real deal holmes. I knew many of them when we were kids on the 63rd seaside LB Penninsula.

Now, I don't know ANY of them. Got news for ya' ---> PEN1 graduated.
Cap one of their own---> no prob.

Pokey didn't even blink.

They originated in Long Beach, Ca.
Since made up cliques Anaheim and
Stanton. I dunno, it's pure mess now

AB Shot callers order these kids up
"Grandfathering" them up the ranks.
A car crash here or there, don't mean shit.

Besides, they really are just socal
OC boys right? No big deal eh?

**ONK!**----> wrong answer.

Clear that earwax out. Real deal.

Anonymous said...

no disrespect to anyone but most brothers or carnales ive noticed are not mexican im not judging their heart or character so is the mexican mob really mexican??

The whole north south bullshit started because EME liked to put down real mexicans. read between the lines. Shit, the vato with the most love for mexican cultura ever to join la EME was Joe Morgan.

Anonymous said...

Funny shit huh, a mans little moments in life and the dicisions he makes no matter how small and mondane they may be, always carry a price. in this case as in others of this kind it seems that payment is due no matter how long it takes. sad to see that being 64yrs. old means nothing when it come to one's criminal dues. sader still is that this mans death will not deter any young gonsel out there just biting at the bit to get his chance at the big time.

Anonymous said...

YOU LIVE BY THE SWORD
AND YOU DIE BY IT,
THE STREETS GOT A CODE OF SILENCE THAT WE SURVIVE BY,
SOME OF YOU GOT THE GAME CROSSED,
WE GOT OUR OWN SET OF LAWS IN THE LAND OF THE LOST

Anonymous said...

NLR has crashed, and PENI is just Brand flunky ex-punkrockers. Like say remember that guy Scottish? I knew John S. , Blinky and most the first order Brand and when we talked about other white gangs there only need for them was to use them to carry out things they could not do because of there AD-SEG status. Also to absorb the most capable members.
If anyone remebers the LADS they got in a crash when they hit the pen/county jails.

Anonymous said...

What crash did LADS get into in the joint??? The Hollywood WS LADS werent trying to run shit. They just went along with the program like any other woods would have. The SS LADS for the most part ran with the SUR. Its a choice any wood form a Raza Barrio has to face when being in there. I dont know what the fuck your talking about homie

Anonymous said...

What crash did the LADS get into in any county/joint??? The Hollywood WS LADS werent trying to run shit. They just went along with the program like any Woods would do, if you even would consider them "Woods". The SS LADS for the most part ran with the SUR since alot of them were Chicanos. They ones that wernt had a choice to make that any Wood faces when hes from a predominatley Chicano Barrio and he gets busted. If your trying to imply that any LADS, WS or SS, had some major problems in there your way the hell off homie

Anonymous said...

I am sorry, I should of Just said the SS Lads. Hollywood LADS were gone by then, but I am not way off. Gangster from Lakewood got into a wreck in LA County. He bragged about all the pull he had and then was asked to do something and flaked. Then it was a big mess. He basicaly locked it up in the county. After that any LAD that came into LA County had issues. I know I was in Palm Hall and it got to the point that any LAD that came on the yard was off real quick, except Whity and Hawk as they took orders from those guys.

Anonymous said...

Pardon me, but what does LADS stand for?

Anonymous said...

L.A. Death Sqaud

Anonymous said...

LADS were punk rockers who took to acting like gansters. There were others, LaMiradaPunks, BurbankPunksOrganized and FFF. I am sure there where more, those are just the ones I remember. I am by no means an expert on this. I think LMP might be around still. I also recall hearing that BPO went for a more cholo vibe and changed their name to Burbank Primera.

Speaking of punk gangs, is Venice Suicidals still active?Curious what they are up to. Knew some of those dudes in my travels. Are they in the Sureno fold? One of the OG's was black and there where chinos, woods and chiqans in that gang. Dont see that policy working with the politics of today. Back when there was big punk shows in the 80's it was always the Suicidals against the Skinheads. I always stayed clear of that mess.

Anonymous said...

Now that makes more sense. If certain SS LADS were punking out then of course there going to be rolling it up. Maybe Gangster set a bad precident but it aint like SSLADS were greenlighted becuase of him. The other ones got tested and as you know its sink or swim. Obviously Whitey,Hawk,Slugo,Kane etc were up to walking the walk. One thing you got be confused about is if you saying they ran with the Woods Or SUR. Were they already claiming ES'LWKD13 LADS or just on the SSL tip?

Anonymous said...

FENDERS DAYS

"Back when there was big punk shows in the 80's it was always the Suicidals against the Skinheads. I always stayed clear of that mess."

Depended mostly on WHICH LADS were involved. Divided into two gruppen:

-SS LADS
-PEACE LADS

The latter, had bunk mattresses torched in L.A. County, pussed out.

Suicidals, were crazy. toe to toe, they worked up skins wholesale. Still the "Fuga's" (Samoans) managed to mess up more skins of the day. PEN1 punks were involved, and saved the day for many at 3rd & Linden L.B. (Fenders International Ballroom) and I think Collin's is still locked up for that.

LADS needed PEN1 then, they just didn't know it. They still got it.
Long Beach PEN1 that is.

Anonymous said...

FUNNY HOW DOWN THE PEN1 BRO'S ARE AND YET IF YOU REALLY WANT REVENGE LET A MOTHER FUCKER STAY ALIVE WHILE YOU TAKE AND TORTURE EVERYTHING HE LOVES. POKEY IS A PUNK'S PUNK AND I HOPE NEXT TIME (WHICH WILL NEVER COME FOR HIM) HE AT LEAST HAS THE BALLS TO PULL THE TRIGGER IN HIS "HOMEBOYS" FACE

Anonymous said...

I KNOW, man..I hear ya, this just sux.

Nobody in Orange County liked it. Even the Long Beach Fella's grimaced the hit and some were aggro over it. The shit ain't forgotten. We know what your sayin' and believe me...soldiers are stood up and counted. PEN1 brothers did it. Nothing infuriates all of us more than that. Trust me.

But, let's back up and slow down...and please HEAR what I have to say. It's important because I think the kameraden think this was all about PEN1 soldier turned bad.

I'm NOT JUSTIFYING it. Actually, I feel betrayal as much as you do. Even THREE fucking years later....

I KNOW we were betrayed!

Our kamerad, EXECUTED in the back of the head. THIS SHIT IS NOT FORGOTTEN! I guarantee you.

But, hear this out.

WAR is NOT what we want...right?
Our ALLIANCE should be preserved.
eMe does the same to the renegades,
that cross the brand...right?

If this hit could be avenged by taking out POKEY, I would be all for it. CHICKEN SHIT HIT. He will get his upcomings, eventually.

The whole thing stinks to high heaven. We know how you feel about it, and WE ALL feel the same way.

If the BRAND calls a chican greenlight, eMe takes care of it.

In this particular situation, Turtle from Pomona had a problem with him.
Black Angels stuff. So, eMe called it. Albert went at him. Woods take care of their own, and AB called it.

I know it sucks, but it is WHAT IT is. It stirs the kamerads BAD WAY.
We cannot trust our own. We know.

This one was "Solvable" at best.
Back of the head, declares war.
Youngsters KNOW---> TRUST NO ONE.

Lone Wolves gather up, bind....pay no taxes to ANY alliance, busters are diminishing in numbers, but eMe is ALWAYS in the background.

PEN1 is fragmented now. Split.

This hit changed shit. Divide and Conquer worked, and the Busters are the benefit of that. Stay your heart
But always know, we once stood against drugs, race mixing, and raised arm ONLY to the SS Kameraden.

Pokey betrayed that commitment, by
what HE DID.....now we are split. And the youngsters will be educated by the Elders to avert this program knowing that white on white retribution results if WE don't take care of our own. From here out, we will. No repeat of this again.

SEIG HEIL!

Anonymous said...

ZIG MAN? ARE YOU SUGGESTING THIS WAS ABSOLUTE BRAND DOWN ORDER HIT ON NLR? DID THIS GUY GO AT ONE OF OURS OR eMe?
CLARIFY? DIRTY ROTTEN SMELL STINKS HERE. RANCHO CUCAMONGA BRAND SOLDATEN?

Anonymous said...

So it was Tortuga "Mr. Black Angels" that called that? He has always disliked woods in a way. Its funny his closest partner was Veneno from Pamona on the Palm Hall yard and I know that cat hatted woods. Tried his best to put guys in the hat. He is on the serious PC yard in Mule Creek now I think.
What happened to Billy Thayer, short guy with a little man complex.
Any way Scottish should of never been hit like that, he deserved better. But how do you hit a guy with respect. It is hard, you give him the heads up and no way would they have gotten to him. He always had all kinds of little followers with him that would back him up to the hilt. It had to be some one that he trusted and by suprize.

Anonymous said...

BONES

Anonymous said...

yeah, there was a guy who showed up at his vigil (Wasn't at the memorial service) that knew him, but none of us knew and he seemd real nervous, almost to a fault. sez scotty lived with him in the end. Sharky? perhaps. Chican?

Anonymous said...

Peckerwood carnalgas with game know;

"FUNNY HOW DOWN THE PEN1 BRO'S ARE AND YET IF YOU REALLY WANT REVENGE LET A MOTHER FUCKER STAY ALIVE WHILE YOU TAKE AND TORTURE EVERYTHING HE LOVES. POKEY IS A PUNK'S PUNK AND I HOPE NEXT TIME (WHICH WILL NEVER COME FOR HIM) HE AT LEAST HAS THE BALLS TO PULL THE TRIGGER IN HIS "HOMEBOYS" FACE"

Climbing up the "Ladder" has a broken spoke affect. Pokey broke the spoke. AB shot-callers will pull his card. Sherwin knows what must be done. Nobody rides for free.

Anonymous said...

The Venice Suicidals are definetly still around. I live in Venice and know a lot of the members. It isn't as big as it was in the 80's but it is still big enough...if you know what i mean.

Anonymous said...

WHATS A LEO

Anonymous said...

Venice, Southbay, Torrance Beach and San Pedro/Carson elders of SUICIDAL's are alive and well. Trust in that.

Anonymous said...

O'side Suicidal still going strong with alot of new recruits and many OG NxCxSxTx still in the mix.

Anonymous said...

just looking for the most knowledgeable homie to poast some history so these youngsters know what they're fighting for so if you know why the norht and south split and why the bulldogs split from the north and why the north is splitting with the new flowers or northern d.o's























's

Anonymous said...

who knows the real story about the bulldogs do they ride north or south? just looking for history that is already in the books to better the lil homies that are just curious for facts not trumped up american me fiction

Anonymous said...

hey any of you fools know of a Billy Moisan--homies an og from OVC,

anyway, just asking--whats up with soldier from NLR- or Mugsy from Jeffery

Anonymous said...

just wanna clear the air about the SS LADS, every tree has a few rotten apples, think about it. LADS pulled their weight on the streets,the majority mexicanos with most of their families in South Side neighborhoods, at least in my barrio (ELA)you werent a LAD unless you had already put in work. there I said it.

still SUR.

I just found this site... firme topics

Anonymous said...

LADS WHAT ABOUT SCRIBBLES? WHERE HE AT?

Anonymous said...

On another tangent, whats the deal now with the MS-13 in the state system? do they align with Sur or stay off to the sidelines. Im just curious since you hear all this and that about MS-13 being like the boogey-man gang to the straights out here. So whats the deal in the pen?

Anonymous said...

shorty the one ss lads gang we still on the map sur riden im a state raised c ya bread sureno whos rolled the whole state of califas instatutions we aint ever had the green an gangster was never put to no test in the condado you you got your head screwd back words i gots plenty of homies in determanit shoe ssiders as well as them lethal arion woods who bump orders at peni aint no one in la county orderd ta hit theres to manny homies dien for a stripe that well raise theire hand get your story straight an if ya dont like the lads keep it out ya mouth an stick wit ya punks cause all ya punks get dropped ss la death squad selos trece riders pss we all know who realy has them big bad earnd s u r stripes

Anonymous said...

what? proof that dust and blogs dont mix

Anonymous said...

shortness the one sick side lads gang well i gots ta knock a blog ta the ws ladies la front fff rat patrol or whatever you ranked out ws lads wanted ta claim on ya weekend tours fuck all you enimega lovers who bowed ta the ss lads enimies an swallowed ya death squad name an ranked for another how many of you punks good name for what yall truely are ranked out weak sliced wanna be killen nothen fuck ya web site as i see ya shut it down once them true riders found out you can hate the ss all ya want but i will be mobben any show that sounds familiure for you chump punks ta watch have a nice day an keep up ya punk pcd bunk weekend statues dont ever start what ya cant handel shorty sslads kanpoleros cya 89 ta 98

Anonymous said...

one more blogg an that sur side lad is gone whats wit you skinheads blggen this chican aint no chickens here is that how yall want ta clown an dissrespect the sur raza just a joke between ya sheets well that word dont fly in my generations eyes its funny how ya claim your legance then spit that kind of shit threw ya teeth ... what do any of ya know about the south sides gb as in grave busters i aint heard nothen blogged on the topic or the 1993 ta1997 smileling surenos who took it ta most nieghboring states frm the y ta sur prise pleanty of deaths an dollars original ss grave buster yts still site riden crips bloods an whoever els wanna walk are lines we still crush ya aka chop choper gbs evil knights shots ta sinister jakolantern an all the riders burnen them stripes all them haters dead homies in the air...............gb .gb gb

Anonymous said...

one more blogg an that sur side lad is gone whats wit you skinheads blggen this chican aint no chickens here is that how yall want ta clown an dissrespect the sur raza just a joke between ya sheets well that word dont fly in my generations eyes its funny how ya claim your legance then spit that kind of shit threw ya teeth ... what do any of ya know about the south sides gb as in grave busters i aint heard nothen blogged on the topic or the 1993 ta1997 smileling surenos who took it ta most nieghboring states frm the y ta sur prise pleanty of deaths an dollars original ss grave buster yts still site riden crips bloods an whoever els wanna walk are lines we still crush ya aka chop choper gbs evil knights shots ta sinister jakolantern an all the riders burnen them stripes all them haters dead homies in the air...............gb .gb gb

Anonymous said...

YEA IGOTS ONE FOR YA THE BULLDOGS RIDE CENTRAL AN THIER 14 STANDS FOR NARCOTICS I USED TO RIDE ON THEM IN CHAD AN DEWITT WHEN THEY WAS NORTE THE NORTENOS LOST THEM WHEN THEY FORMED THE NEW STRUCTURE XIV THEY DIDNT WANT TA DROP THIERE FARMERO STATUES TO CITY VIDA XIV SAN JO HOLDS THE STRUCTURE KEYS MAJORITY ES SAN JO SALAS HAS INPUT AS WELL THEN STACKTONE AN SAC THE BULLDOGS GOT USED LIKE FOOD STAMPS TRYN TO UNITE WIT THE SOUTH BUT I WILL GIVE CREDIT FOR THIERE RIDEN SKILLS AS A SUR ENIMEGA OR NOT EVERY BODY HAS REAL RIDERS IM 113 PERCENT SOUTH SIDER WHEN I WAS UP NORTH WE WAS OUT NUMBERD 30 TA THREE ON SOME COMPAS WE ONLY HAD ONE HOMIE BUT WE STILL ROLLED THE TOLL AN KNOCKED THEM BELLS CRIPPEN NORTE C14 WAS DEEP BUT COULDNT HANDEL ARE GANGSTA STATE OF MIND SOUTH EAST LA S SUR CAR WE HALD THE KEYS TA TAHOE AN THE NORTENOS AN BDOGS COULDNT FADE US SHORTY SSLADS BOO SSLADS SPARKY CHIVAS SELA HIT THE SEEN AFTER THE PEACE TREATYS BEGAN IN 93 YOU THINK THE RIOUTS IN LA COUNTY WAS BAD NOW YOU SHOULD HAVE BEEN THIER THEN IT JUST STAYED LOW ON THE RADAR THE SOUTH EAST TAHOE THREE WERE IN LOS AN THEN SENT UP NORTH PER CYA TWO STILL DOING LIFE THIS WRITE HERE SHORT WRITES REMEBER THIS THIER ARE ALLWAYS GONNA BE SOME ONE HARDER THAN YOU ANY WHERE SHIT EVOLS IN TIME WE JUST WAS ON THE SCENE FIRST GOT A LIL MORE GAME SO IF YA PLAY YA BETTER RE HEARSE GB GB GB YA BABY FOR LIFE AN NOW IM OVER THIRTY SAME MENTALITY STILL AINT LABELD A CONVICT NEVA HIT THE PENATENTERY BUT ALL IN ALL YA S WAY MORE SICKER IT WILL BE WHAT IT BE ALL RECOGNIZED HOMIES USUALY MOST WERE RAISED IN THE Y WHERE YA THINK IT ALL STARTED GB GB THEM GRAVE BUSTERS IS TAKEN SHIT TO A DIFERNT LEVEL THATS UNDER THE RADAR SLASHEN PIGS AN ENIMEGAS ON SITE ITS THE GB WAY THE SUR RIDE

Anonymous said...

Fuck any and ALL of you inbred nazi retards... Follow your leader Hitler & shoot yourselves, you brain donors.

Anonymous said...

I've got another idea too- Why don't all you violent dumbfucks, nazis, "Suicidals", Homee-d & the funky bunches, WHOEVER, go off to a deserted island that the rest of us CIVILIZED human beings can then drop a nuclear bomb on?

All you violent fools suck.

Yo, yo, yo & the skimmy flow - ridin' wit' my hymen in a shibby dibby.... Learn to speak English while you're at you damn grade school drop outs.

Anonymous said...

who the fuck you speakin to this aint no nazi here strickly sur sider i no some suicidals an they aint nazi who are you this here is strickly gangster site what the fuck you want itty bitty civalized boy post some gangster shit or dont post chacha..

Anonymous said...

pss violence will all ways be maybe some of us here taken notes an learning to control it as for high school never went you did an you still dumb enough to talk like a toad so drink your hinekin and slam that bottel down low back wards an let yo daddys daddy blow ya shibby dizzy as i dig up yo dead an skull fuck um

Anonymous said...

I BELIVE I BELIVE THATS ALL FOLKS..

Anonymous said...

SEE YA IN HELL MONTHEQIA.

Anonymous said...

Hey what up homies well carnales mi nobre is uninmportant just know that I'm a Chico from Middle Side Santa Ana I just moved to Houston Texas you know after doing a young mocoso stretch of 9 balas in CYA now since I been out here I'm here all this talk about Pen 1 what's up with these vatos are they Surenos much respect y alratos Puro Sur Side Califas till death

W said...

SALUDOS AND RESPECTOS TO ALL SSGB13 YTS O and R SHOOT !!! I WANT TO TAKE A CRUISE TO A DARK ALLEY TO SHOOT ALL NIGERS DEAD SHIT BAH BAH BAH BUSTERS DEAD SHIT BAH BAH BAH BULLFROGS DEAD SHIT BAH BAH BAH FUCK ALL NIGERS DEAD SHIT!!! AND OUR SONG GOES ON!!!

Anonymous said...

GB GB WHATS UP TO THE CAMARADA DE MIDDLE SIDE SANTANA THIS IS THA SSLAD SHORTY HITTEN HARD AS A ROC RIDEN GB PENI IS SKINHEADS THEY AINT SOUTH NEVER THAT BIG DAWG FLIP THE PAGE ID LIKE TA SEND A SHOT OUT FOR YOUR HOMIE RIP SLICK MSSA A G IN MY TIME AN ALWAYS A MANDATORY RIDER HE WILL ALLWAYS BE MISSED BY MINES I SEEN YOUR HOMIES SLUGGER AN MANIAC BACK IN THE SUMMER I HERE THEY FIGHTIN THEM HOT CARGOS GOOD LUCK TO THEM STAY SSGB IN TEXAS KILLER CALIFAZTLAN STYLE ALRATO YA MOBBEN GB SHORTY SS LADS SELA KIL KIL KILL EVIL KNIGHTS GRAVE BUSTERS DEAD ONES A FLIPPEN OFF WITH THE HEAD ...ALL ENEMIGAS DE SUR BETTER OFF DEAD..

Anonymous said...

what is this gb grave busters is theire any info on this in the media are they a gang or clica i we can get some real info no disrespec to any of you gb who do the gb have as an allience who isthe gb leader do they hang wihnortenos crips who where is gb nighborhhodwho runs the show gow do you gbh ave

Anonymous said...

DAMB CAN A ESE GET HIS ASS FUTHAT VATIS CKED LIKE AMERICIAN AIRGIN HELOVED IT HESTILL PREACHES YHR BON GB GO BIGGER GOBBEL BALGSYLS GAT BROTHERS GREEN BOOTY BEGGINQUEQINH

Anonymous said...

STILL GB ALL DAY FUCK YOUR DEAD IF YA DONT LIKE IT SUR IS THE SIDE BIG GB EARNS BLOOD DRIPPEN STRIPES CHOPS OUT TA CHOP YA FUCK YOUR LIFE GB GB GB SS13

Anonymous said...

gorillas balls is that you tuff swano vataos clicka now suck big black gorrillas ballz fuck yall sese puro ene cuzz

Anonymous said...

all your heads come apart gb is the real presson on are marks ... big lesson sur ride keeps everyone guesson my gb stay stepping evil night click get your sorry self dealt with chop shorty chops l to the a d as in death squad time ta make um all pay razor blades bone crushersin trade line your all mine gb g b south side

Anonymous said...

what all this gb shit

Anonymous said...

gb is the shit talk shit get your shit split grave busters gb yts mandatory riders socalifaztlan kanpol riders ce ye ne me kanpol aint none can fuck wit the gb

Anonymous said...

gb i will split your lip with some gorilla balls bouncing off your chin and a dick in your mouth

Anonymous said...

Rest in Power Pat the Boob early LADS Hollywood punk '80

Anonymous said...

yo popya hows your ass

Anonymous said...

What up with Scribbles. Is he still in the pen? LBC

Anonymous said...

WHO IS SCRIBBLES NEVER HEARD OF HIM

Anonymous said...

White dude from Long Beach.

Anonymous said...

Scribbles is Devon Bapp. He killed some samoan gang member from SOS. Bad move dude. They will kill him and eat him.

Anonymous said...

where was scribbles from

Anonymous said...

scribbles was from long beach

Anonymous said...

aint know scribbeles frm the lads ss that is aint no power frm holly wood only pwr frm ss hlywd are a bunch off punk ass rankers fuck weak side lads see ya fagit fuccks in hell s siden

Anonymous said...

what about peenut from the ss lads wheres he at

Anonymous said...

yeah i know peanut he is still aroumd out in downey

Anonymous said...

i hear shorty from the ss lads is under investagation for 4 homacides as well as roberry an state to stae drug traficing any one no the half on this hes allways in to something killer south east los

Anonymous said...

fuck shorty hill get his hes done to mutch an gone to far i cant wait to see him 6 feet imortal yea right this time he wont come back what the fuck is this gb gb shit igots no respect for shorty he got his but in time well get ares fuck the sur an the lads

Anonymous said...

hey you i would love to see you an yours against the lil basterd aka chop i see you posting on short but aint heard of any of you or yours doin nothen to him he laughs an walks his walk without a care in the world auto matic chop the chopper ak47 king long live short the stalker im wit ya homie por vida grave busters de sur 13 demonio sela ps con ganas

Anonymous said...

i heard they called him the south side sucker, cause he sucks alot of schlong never left a dong hanging to long he loves that song,wont hit the bong but give him a thong an its on.

Anonymous said...

[b] orale a las eMe carnales,

hay mucha gente que esta hablando pura mierda. Quien es pokey? es un down sureno carnal o un punk gabacho? Los carnales estan cansados de toda las mentiras sobre este tipo y sobre quien es! Alguien aqui puede decirme donde esta este tipo. brothers, a las Brand gente, de donde es pokey la mirada punk rock ese, o la habra que no?[b]

Anonymous said...

pokey is a bitch from lmp

Anonymous said...

when is it possible for a guy to kill his brother? real punk ass
How must it feel? pokey poker joker brand flunky punk ass knows.
a day too soon is not soon enough and hell can freeze over and
that motherfucker will get got. what goes around comes around eh poke?
suppose ranking up forgot you ranking out and rolling it up eh poke?
a real punks punk eh poke? you pile of shit. human debris. some here
play it up. some here know whats up. nobody rides for free.

Anonymous said...

my name is pokey. i am a punk ass motherfucker that loves gettin fucked in the ass.
i wanted to be authenticated member of the brand but they said my punk ass wasn't
good enough to ride with. i guess i have to ride out without my pride since i sold
out and fucked my brother. pokey the punk ass piece of shit i am and will always be.
i guess even hell has forgotten me. my life sucks and i love to kill my friends.
signed,
pokey the poked fag punk that kills my friends and rides for free and owes everyone.
I guess my friends really hate me now since i fucked my brother and shot him in the head.

Anonymous said...

LADS GANG SS MAD MR CRACKERS LAD A LIVE IN YOUR HAT SHORTY WHERE YA AT

xtecatocrim said...

Looking for my Homie/crimey. Anyone know a wood named Dave Walker from OC? He last paroled from Quentin (not sure) in 95'. Would really like to find this wood. He's from the Anaheim/ Santa Ana area. Thanks to my OC Surrenos.

Anonymous said...

wheres crackers at

Anonymous said...

WHAT HAPPENED CRAKERS DID YOU RUN AWAY

Anonymous said...

fuck all u haters WEST SIDE LOS ANGELES DEATH SQUAD XIII OG's and we are still around check u levas at the next show in Hollywood

Anonymous said...

rascal whittier kactis bunch tramp squad fuck the limp dicks

Anonymous said...

Popeye is dead. Rizzo who knows. Pen1 is split,
Dead one. Dead end. all name droppers are suspect n
all of you zip up and shut up internet busters flappin gums.
SOLDIER

Anonymous said...

why are flappin your lips soldier, of you go by suck soldier you just suck of soldiers you fucking faggot

Anonymous said...

1st theres a pokey from lmp and a POK1 from pen1 but is in the hat. NEW RULE FOR PEN1 IF YOUR IN THE HAT CANT CLAIM THE P. you no longer ride with our hometeam. thats from the big dawgs, also if you talk send mail or visit n-e one in the hat that puts you right there with them. you can be thrown in the hat too. so watch your self.

besides all that the cops read this shit so fuckin keep the pen1 names popeye rizzo and whoever else out cha mouth. u wanna run your shit on the fucking internet go ahead internet gangstas gotta love them...

PDS
737

Anonymous said...

1st theres a pokey from lmp and a POK1 from pen1 but is in the hat. NEW RULE FOR PEN1 IF YOUR IN THE HAT CANT CLAIM THE P. you no longer ride with our hometeam. thats from the big dawgs, also if you talk send mail or visit n-e one in the hat that puts you right there with them. you can be thrown in the hat too. so watch your self.

besides all that the cops read this shit so fuckin keep the pen1 names popeye rizzo and whoever else out cha mouth. u wanna run your shit on the fucking internet go ahead internet gangstas gotta love them...

PDS
737

Anonymous said...

WHOS HEARD OF PR1NCESS SQUAD? i heard its the pen1 girlskeeping the p and now putting it out there?
ive heard p is for princess bpds is still there name. they i guess only got a couple girls that ARE DOWN. PR1NCESS' have got the ok i guess to start princess squad? n-e one heard of this? its a new thing only has lets say 5 girls so far and looking for down girls post some info.....

Anonymous said...

stupid people mssa/popeye peni is not dead. dumb dumbs...hes just moved up the ladder. fell me? whos got word on shurm? i heard hes in palm hall?

Anonymous said...

sounds like a bunch of wanna be lads

Anonymous said...

Popeye is dead. Sherwin's at supermax.
No LADS in the mix. No ss tip LADS..
No 567 in pen1 mix, mixer LMP in the hat.
Hesh in the hat. NLR soldiers SHU.
everything is crazy now. PDS

Anonymous said...

Yo, are LADS or Suicidals mixed-race, or just Hispanic?

Are LADS even remotely connected to punk rock anymore?

Anonymous said...

there are no more lads

Anonymous said...

LADS and SUICIDALS are both mixer clicks. LADS were once the southsider
tip of L.A. and some, clicked with BPO
and the Burbank fellas. A book could be written about these two warring factions in the history books of warfare. LADS are still around, and SUICIDALS are definitely around. Southsider LADS less so because of gang politics, the demographic shift of territorio on the East Los Landscape. Names change, but the youngsters with game do not. So, don't erase the equasion without figuring the math first, since these clicks never quite measured up to conventional war. Punk Rock, was the only denominator before war and drugs, and money trading with PENI became the technique for them on the streets. Suicidals are primarily venice beach mixer click.

PENI absorbed most of the capable LADS
and SUICIDALS let knuckledraggers and Chinos in, so do the math. Several woods that were suicidals actually balked at this, and the LADS had the chican mixers that sided with LMP.

Both had wars, within, and outside.

You won't see LADS tags on jackets anymore, but they're still around.

Suicidals, are around still too.

One of there bands now is called -TDRT
youngsters drawn up from the older click. LADS are drawn from the southside tip, and have youngsters that are pretty much skaters, n2 punk rock. Burbank Primera. LMP (567) is drawn between PENI and HESH, and mostly wood click now. Some chican youngsters run with them, but only ones with wood surnames, and mixer wood w/sureno familia, southsiders.

Alot of those kids are mexi/white mix.
but also tend to be X-Edgers not prone
to the earlier elders of F-Troop and
Alice Baker Tribes, Artesia, or Norwalk. Skaters mostly.

LADS, and SUICIDALS are common enemies
but, still only at shows in Long Beach
and East Los Angeles. Rarely ever do
you see them going at each other any
where else.

SoLDieR**

Anonymous said...

NONE of those old punk gangs exist on any real level anymore at all. occasionally old friends get together, thats about it.

Anonymous said...

I remember the LADS in OC as well as the OC Suicidals. Does anyone remember them? We (OC LADS) would hang out in Fullerton and other spots in Cypress, Buena Park, Downey...it was fun until Brian put a gun to his head and looked at Bobby and said "watch this" while he pulled the trigger....they were out tagging and Brian had everything to live for. I call them by their proper names because I always hated their tag names. To me there were way too many Whiteys, Jokers, Mr. Gangster, etc....

Of course I was one of the girls that hung out with them.....but they didn't pass me around. I was the safe house and really learned how to navigate my way around madness....I look back on those days and wonder how I ever got here.

Anonymous said...

anyone know if any of these punk outfits make it to vegas?

just wondering.

Anonymous said...

REST IN PEACE!
MR.VICTOR MURILLO.

Anonymous said...

W your r typical dumb south sider who does make more than $500 a month and has to kick 10% of that to the homeboys lol u dumb fuck. 90% of the ppl on this site r like W,don p and SNS Internet gangsters and never even hit the yard there just repeating or stories they heard while they were in PCp repeating war stories they heard while they were in PC