Monday, November 21, 2005

TOOKIE AND TUONG.
No matter where you stand on the Tookie Williams execution issue, you have to marvel at the exquisite timing of another execution a half world away. Singapore, to be exact, where Nguyen Tuong Van, a convicted drug dealer is scheduled to be hanged on December 2 for smuggling just under a pound of heroin.

When it comes to crime and punishment, Singapore is medieval. You get caned and fined for spitting on the sidewalk, littering or tagging. Drug smuggling is a death penalty offense. Note to Courtney and Snoop. Stay out of Singapore. Just to provide a comparison, Tuong Van was arrested in December 2002. That figures out to three years between the crime and execution. I count good. Since 1991, Singapore has hanged 400 criminals. It also happens to have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Connection? You be the judge.

Tookie, on the other hand, has had a quarter century of appeals on his multi homicide conviction and he's been allowed to write books and have a movie made about him and, as we've heard for about the millionth time, has been nominated for the Nobel Prize.

It really doesn't get any more clear than this. No matter what Jesse and the Hollywood types like to say about this country, they can't say we don't bend over backwards to make sure every avenue of appeal is exhausted before the State takes a life. And there's still an outside chance Arnold may give Tookie a pass. There aren't any passes in Singapore. They hang 'em high and often. Same goes for other countries like Malaysia and Viet Nam that execute drug slangers. It's kind of ironic too that the same people like the Tom Haydens and the Mike Farrells that were rooting for the other side in Viet Nam aren't saying a word about the drug dealers in Nam waiting to be executed. Go figure.

It would be unfair to say that the authorities in Singapore are completely lacking in compassion. They're letting Tuong's mom have a few extra visits before they hang him.

137 comments:

Anonymous said...

No shit about Farrel and the other "do gooders" whose silence is so deafening about the death penalty in Vietnam.

How many kids died as a result of Tookie and Ray's idea?

Then they nominate him for a Nobel Peace Prize.

It's obvious the "peace mongers" have their head up their culo.

Anonymous said...

Any word on the street about the 187 that occured at LA county last week?
The news said it was two "Latino gang members" who beat a white boy to death.

Anonymous said...

Yea the whole situation with Tokkie is so out of hand, Snoop trying to save him because he is some type of crip hero. What would have ever happened if there was no Tookie?

Anonymous said...

i just read something that said the white boy got stomped because he cut in the lunch line, it also said there was about 30 inmmates watching. now doesn't that jut sound fucked up that in those 30 inmates there was't any other woods to back this fool up???? i mean even if he did cut in line and was in the wrong you should still back your race up even if you are outnumbered, wich i suspect the woods are or were at the time of incident. I remember being in Pleasant Valley in the D yard were there was like 60 homies and more than 150 busters and we still rocked mothefucker. thats why we were always on locked down!
it didnt matter if we were outnumbered or not... fucken spineless white people... oh yeah by the way it surprises me that it was a whiteboy and not a nigger wich are famous for cutting, line, being loud, obnoxious or just pretty much being disrespectful

Anonymous said...

Killing in County was a homeless guy who cut in the food line and was stomped to death. Perhaps proof that the theory of evolution is faulty.

Anonymous said...

Man, all this time and Wally posts crap Tookie that has already been all over the news and a drug czar??
You're slipping bro, you're so called street cred is falling fast.

Anonymous said...

A HOMELESS GUY? just goes to show how @#$%^ stupid some of these vatos are. what spoils of war are to be had from that? saying you killed a guy? it dont mean shit if the guy you killed wasnt shit.
even in jail most mofo's are cowards. on the calles , i would be stupid to think anyone would help me out in a pedo based on race. most people just look away.

Anonymous said...

dont go to jail ese, bottom line.

Anonymous said...

That short post was the best post this site of machismo balls has ever seen.
So many fools on here saying "in prison" this "on the yard" that, "you wouldn't survive"...
Why would you live a life that the remote possiblity of going to prison is even an option.
Its like famouse black athletes. Is it me, or do they get busted with weed more than any other demographic. If you are young and black and driving a 100K car and dress like a thug, guess what?? You're gonna get pulled over! So don't carry weed in your car!!!
Same with these other fools, dress the part and act the part and you will be searched and pulled over more frequently, so don't do shit you're not supposed to!

Anonymous said...

dont go to jail ese, bottom line

benn there done that, and ill say it again, those vatos were weak for beating down a homeless fool. a serial killer preying on children aint hard and niether are these fools for hitting a nobody-it dont mean shit!

i was in all the hardest cya spots-aint scared of the fools inside-more afraid of not being there for my family outside so no i wont be getting torcido anytime soon.

Anonymous said...

Is it any surprise that murders happen in jail?? White, black or hispanic, does it matter the color or race? What do the two "Latino gang members" gain by killing someone for cutting in line? That kind of thinking or lack there of, is ignorant. This is why the population of the LA County jail system is over 20,000 everyday. Is there really some kind of honor in killing a defenseless person?

Anonymous said...

"i was in all the hardest cya"

if that aint a y-a baby i dont know what its lol..... how do i know ... beacuase only a ya baby will think y-a is hard at all lmao

Anonymous said...

to the anon a few posts back that said "fucken spineless white people...
Try saying that to a real wood or even a real southsider that knows the deal.
To say that one race or group is more cowardly or brave in that hell hole is stupid. Its a numbers game with the southsiders usually having the upper hand.

I haven't been in jail in a long time and aint going back but I will be damned if I would have taken a beat down for some country ass wino that wanted to cut in line. As in all of life you have to pick your battles. As for the cowards that gang up on a bum and beat him to death and are stupid enough to get caught,rest assured the man has got something for you.
If you are a bully that makes broad assumptions about who has heart and who doesn't and make it a point to fuck with people you would be suprised how shit can go down. With under two years of instituional travel (long since retired)I have seen the following first hand:

A 19 year oldwhite surfer kid beat the dog shit out of a veterano cholo that was picking on him.

A little chino go upside the head of a big ole' biker with a can and beat him down good.

An old black wino kick ass on a burly crip.

A tranny knock out a tatted buffed up prison wood in one punch. The wood was down enough to laugh about it when it was over. "that bitch gotta mean right hook dawg! hahahaha"

Anonymous said...

"don't go to jail ese"
How profound. That does say it all. For those of you aspired to be like the OG veteranos when you were younger, what the fuck did it get you? Hard time, hard life. If the pinta is so fuckin great, how come EVERY man in there is trying to get out?
The bottom line is, as long as our culture looks up to gangsters, it's gonna be COOL and a bunch of impressionable kids are going to throw their fuckin life away trying to get "respect". PURO PEDO.
The fuckin citizens on the calles don't respect gangsters, they FEAR
them. When one truly becomes a man, he understands the difference.
Either we accept a little bit of personal responsibility or stand by for more of the same from our youngsters.

Anonymous said...

While I'm not in favor of the death penalty, I doubt that I will lose much sleep if "Tookie" Williams' death sentence is finally carried out on December 13. Tookie Williams is one serious cockroach. The cynical bastard wants his phoney redemption to be rewarded with clemency, but yet, to this day he has rejected every opportunity to express remorse for taking the lives of four innocent and defenseless human beings. After killing his first victim, Williams laughingly commented to his own brother, "You should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him!" Talk about having your cake and eating it too. Although Williams has always maintained his innocence, the evidence against him is so overwhelming that even the most liberal court in the nation, 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, immediately denied his stay of execution. In case you didn't know, the 9th Circuit has a real hard-on for opposing conservative issues such as the death penalty, but even they didn't hesitate for one second in denying Williams.

Once again, I'm against the death penalty, but as an observer of Tookie's plea for clemency I have to wonder why he and his supporters feel that he should be rewarded for his model behavior if in fact he's turned a new leaf. Good behavior should always be one's top priority, and not something to be exchanged for extra credit. Also, forgiveness is something you humbly ask for, as opposed to demanding it ala Hollywood grandstanding. Much respect to all on this blog.

Anonymous said...

There's alot more victims of Tookie's and Raymond Washington than the four Tookie actually pulled the trigger on. Thousands of lives were wasted by blacks killing blacks...Crips vs. Bloods.

And these fucking idiots like Jesse Jackson who are always crying about racism want Tookie's life spared? What a croc of shit.
I wonder if Rev. Jackson would be advocating for the life of some KKK asshole if he lynched a black man. NO CHANCE. Jesse would be calling for his head. Yet, what's so ironic, is that Tookie has cost
thousands of black kids their lives and Jesse wants him spared.
It shows the hypocrisy of these professional racism "victims" like Jackson and ALL the rest.

Anonymous said...

i was in all the hardest cya"

if that aint a y-a baby i dont know what its lol..... how do i know ... beacuase only a ya baby will think y-a is hard at all lmao

ok homie, your the chingon here on the internet. i dont give fuck where you been or whop you are, i'd bet anything there are vatos in YA right now who can knock you out, spin your mind, or break your internet shit talking ass-done with you


as for tookie getting blamed for all the gang problems crips have caused is bullshit. all those underclass blacks would have done the same shit under a different flag if it wasnt the crips. to blame tookie for all the killings crips have comitted is excusing the white men and their racist laws that have emasculated the black man by having them raised by women because daddy is in the pinta for 5 years over 5 grams of crack while that fucking gavacho is at home with his kids because he had less than 500 grams of powder coke.
dont blame tookie for all the shit crips have done, they would have done it anyway under a different name because life's a bitch in the ghetto without hope! real talk pendejos!


p.s. i meet plenty of vatos from level 4's who aint hard inside but put up a good mask so fuck you shit talker

Anonymous said...

Yakity yak yak.....so Tookie aint to blame huh?
Try to understand the correlation.

Maybe the blacks would have done it under a different flag. Does that exonerate Tookie? Does that mean Tookie shouldn't pay the price for what he did?
You sound like a professional victim. It's the white boogeyman's fault...boo hoo boo hoo.
It wasn't gava's riding up on another set and taking thousands of blacklives in the 70's and 80's. You didn't see no AB, NLR, or any other woods riding in the hood. It was the blacks, the crips and bloods. But hey, fuck it, keep blaming the gava's for the black man's troubles. That's the easy way out a victim takes.

Anonymous said...

"ok homie, your the chingon here on the internet"
chale ese im chingon everywhere get it right ... lol... j/k
but on the real dispensa if i hurt your feelings but do you realize why they call it youth authority?
because when they graduate unto bigger, badder and stricter things they call it the pen. ps: grown men go there .... oh and motherfuckers that no longer classify to be in ya ususally cuz they choose not to be there ..... ie: they ride on motherfuckers just to get and upgrade in classification status therefore the only motheruckers left are the ones that wanted to program and go home... ie:you.

lol..... so further more let me reiterate my initial point there aint no "hard" ya yards why? because the motherfuckers that make yards hard usually arent there any more..... the only reason you thought they were hard is because you were probably afraid.
oh and by the way there probably are thousands of motherfuckers that would knock me out there. probably just as much as some of the motherfuckers that are in some of the "red flag yards". but that donsnt mean those yards are hard now does it? yeah i didnt think so your right about one thing though .... i am a shit talker lol

Anonymous said...

Hey ese, the one who's smackin his gums about the emasculation of the black man at the hands of the white man.

Pinche pendejo. You're oviouslyt educated beyond your intelligence.
The very line of thinking that you're spouting is why the ghetto doesn't get any better. The blacks are too busy blaming their fuck-ups on everybody else. There's your REAL TALK ese. It's REAL fucking easy to go through life as a victim, cause you don't have to take responsibility for your actions. It's not beneficial or profitable, but it is EASY. That's why so many choose it. You need to
stop the rhetoric homes if you really want things to get squared away. As long as you and the victims have a "victimizer" to blame it on you're going to sit back on your lazy ass and take that route instead of making something of yourself and your community.
Ck it out ese. Hoiw many gavas did you see during the riots setting fires and looting in the hood?
Yea, that's what I thought. A little tough when it hits home aint it. THERE'S YOUR REAL TALK YOUNGSTER.

Anonymous said...

to the anon a few posts back that said "fucken spineless white people...
Try saying that to a real wood or even a real southsider that knows the deal.
To say that one race or group is more cowardly or brave in that hell hole is stupid. Its a numbers game with the southsiders usually having the upper hand.

firs things first a "real wood" or "real south sider" that "knows the deal" would not have let some one from his own race get stomped out like that cuz if he did then he would not really "know the deal" now would he?
any ways i never said their whole race was spineles just the fucken levas that let that poor bum get stomped.

of course its a numbers game and southsiders damm near always have the upper hand (except in the feds, paisas usually got that on lock) what the fuck did you think it was a boxing match with refs and rules??? chale, survival of the fittest (or deepest in this case lol)
ps: if they were any "real woods watching "mexican hat dance" then they were fucken spineless but hey its a small "system" and people have long memories....

Anonymous said...

"any ways i never said their whole race was spineles just the fucken levas that let that poor bum get stomped."

You sure backed off that quick.

Its interesting that you take no issue with your own people for killing a " a poor bum" for cutting in line just because they could, (what happened to a check?)and that the only problem you saw was that "his" people didnt rescue him. I wouldnt be suprised if the bum stood up for himself and none of the murderes had the nuts for a toe to toe with a funky ass hillybilly bum.

Answer me this: if you were in a system that was almost all white or all black and some paisa bum (the latino equivalent of a white wino from georgia)started acting stupid and making trouble you would offer yourself up to get beaten to death for him? I really doubt it. The way county is he could easily have been the only white in a room with 30 heads in it, and for all you know he could have already been checked by his own people and didnt take heed.

I have lived in LA my whole life and have had many southside roadies and was always perplexed the peverse pleasure some of them took in their large #'s in county. Is that really something to be proud of?

Anonymous said...

I peeped a blurb re: the Tookie rally this weeked up at Q. Evidently Snoop did some QandA with some kids afterwards and one of the kids pulled his covers and confronted his ass on preaching the "love message" of Tookie while still talking all sorts of Crip shit on his records. Being the dynamic person that he is he managed to halfway talk his way out of it. Its good to hear that some of these kids are using their brains.
I have worked with Snoop on a few occasions and to say he is a conflicted personality would be an understatement. A lot smarter than you would think. I was disappointed when I saw him join the Tookie parade. Not a good move for either of them.

Anonymous said...

How many woods rode in the riots and burned or looted?

NONE.

How many whites donated money to the "Rebuild LA" campaign that took place after the eses and blacks fucked up their own neighborhoods...COUNTLESS.

Yeah youngster, the white man is to blame.
How pathetic.

Anonymous said...

so you think there's nothing wrong with a gavacho getting less than five years for 500 grams of powder coke and a black guy getting 5 year mandatory sentence for 5 grams of crack?
you think a gavacho driving a mercedez will get pulled over as quick as a black guy driving a mercedez? hell no, why? racism!
im a big advocate of people being responsible for their actions but the fact remains the pinche hudas are racist.
Its obvious you guys dont like blacks so how are you of all people going to tell me the dont experience racism?
if your black and studious, polite, and generally kind hearted wont most people still assume your a loud obnoxious, crack dealing shyster? probably

on a side note, i also think snoop did himself and tookie a disservice by attending the rally because of all the crip shit he still talks

Anonymous said...

While at Preston when it was still 18-25, i seen lifeflight come 5-8 times a year, i seen 3 people hang themselves, i even seen a yts shotcaller get stabbed by the preston shotcaller for the southside. its was adangerous place. i never said it was as hard as alevel 4 yard, but a walk in the park it wasnt.
and yeah, i did want to program and go home, but if you know anything about preston, you would know that as a chicano going to the line, you can expect to max out. we didnt parole from preston, we maxed out.


"they ride on motherfuckers just to get and upgrade in classification status therefore the only motheruckers left are the ones that wanted to program and go home... ie:you"
so once they left, there were no other riders? your comment assumes that after the riders leave everyone else coming through the system wont do the same.

i bet you never been anywhere and are probably jealous i experienced the right of passage every chicano gangmember aspires to as a mocoso(state time). so keep talking shit and maybe, just maybe, one day you too can do state time on a non pc yard and show your freinds that you also had what it took to be a down vato in the gang car.

p.s. killers dont talk shit, they get over

Anonymous said...

DAMNNN! THIS VATO PUT THE SHIT TALKER ON HUSH!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

chale i wasnt on hush i was just at work...
but ont the other subject its kinda a sad you a "aspired" to go to the pen .... me i just grew up hoping i didnt, just so happens i did but just so you know i went to a ccf.... for about a month then afterwards a was on "tour" i started with 12 points and end up with 68, not that im trying to brag but my term was 3 years with half and nah i didnt parole on my first outdate i ended up doing 4 balas with nueve meses.... the last 9 months in the hoyo in eloy arizona (yes that is the feds) for another beef that i caught bowlegged with my first case.....
oh yeah some of the terms i used in this post might be knew to you so dispensa if i got your sesos working on them (i can hear the echo lol) but go and ask one of your fellow "aspirers" what they mean lol.....

Anonymous said...

To the "Jesse Jackson Wannabe"
You're hilarious...and thanks for making my point for me.

If you're polite and kind hearted,
you won't be loud and obnoxious pendejo...you're either one or the other.

Why is it that YOU bring up that people are going to assume "they are loud and obnoxious"...

Like I said, thanks for making my earlier point for me about needing somebody else to blame for their fuckups.

StillNoScript said...

anonymous wrote;

How many kids died as a result of Tookie and Ray's idea?


Died as a result of poverty, broken homes, violence and drug addiction in Los Angeles' inner city? The same number that would have died had Tookie and Ray never existed.

Please, tell me you weren't serious.

Anonymous said...

maybe somebody else would have done it had Ray and Tookie not carried the flag.....but come on now, the co-founder of the "Crips"....the gang that has shed more blood of innocent people in their chicken shit drive-bys than anybody...you don't get it Still No Script. The man must be held accountable not only for the 4 murders he committed, but for the HEINOUS idea that he and Raymond spawned. There are kids ALL OVER the US who have killed each other for the "red or blue".
To say he should get a pass because somebody else would have done it anyway is PURO PEDO. That argument don't hold water homie.
That's the same fucking argument ALL those Nazi war criminals used.... "other German soldiers would have done it if I didn't".
or "I was just following orders".
Hey, fuck it, why even have Metzger in jail, somebody else would have done it if he didn't.
JESUS.
The message HAS to be sent, "it's not COOL or OK to be a gangsta killa......and the best way to do that is to give Tookie the shot.
Enough said.

Anonymous said...

Why blame anything on anybody.

Somebody else would do it if the the cons didn't. They should open the gates and let em all hit Broadway.

Fuck, that "somebody else would have done it" shit is funny.

Anonymous said...

I find this message board hilarious. Who knew that Mexicans took so much pride in being locked in cages? Priceless... No wonder why they're so low on the universal caste system. Keep viewing it as an achievement, it really works for you.

Anonymous said...

BEAUTIFUL...I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, they do take pride in it.

"But it's the white mans fault".

But they're taking the land back one street at a time.

Then it will be just like the country they left to come here.

That's REAL fucking intelligent. Turn the place you came to in order to escape poverty into the the same shithole you left.

THAT'S HIGHER THINKING RIGHT THERE!!!

Anonymous said...

"ps: if they were any "real woods watching "mexican hat dance" then they were fucken spineless but hey its a small "system" and people have long memories...."

Yep. The GAVAS have LONG history and
memory in the pinta carnal. eme business is one thing. Throwdown a gava in OC Cmod your done. Woods do look out for their own carnalgas.

White trasher dump truck hardly steps up AB, NLR, PENI pedo camerada

Besides, any dumptruck who crashes..
stepping up and over the line hit's
the wall anyways...white, latino or
knuckledragger. That's the way....
Jump the line...oh well. ur fucked.

Down woods make NO exceptions.

We look out for our own, when the
shit goes down...others die hard.

Dumptrucks can crash anytime.

That's their fault. Not the gava's

NLR makes NO EXCEPTIONS. Got it?

Anonymous said...

BLAMING TOOKIE AND RAY FOR ALL THE SHIT CRIPS HAVE DONE IS STUPID, BUT HE SHOULD DIE FOUR THOSE FOUR PEOPLE. I NEVER SAID TO EXONERATE HIM FOR THAT.

YES, I DID ASPIRE TO THE BEING IN THE PINTA AS A KID. WHEN SOMEONE GOT OUT, ALL THE HINAS LOVED'EM, THE HOMIES GAVE'EM RESPECT IF THEY STAYED DOWN, AND OTHERWISE LOOKED LIKE HEROS TO ME AND ALL THE OTHER MOCOSOS. PERO SABEN QUE PENDEJOS, I ASPIRE TO THE BOARD ROOM NOW. SOME OF US GROW UP, SO YOU FAGS DISRESPECTING MEXICANS KEEP THINKING WERE ALL DUMB, ITS IN OUR INTEREST TOP HAVE YOU BELIEVE THAT. THATS HOW YOU GET CAUGHT SLIPPIN.

StillNoScript said...

Anonymous said...

maybe somebody else would have done it had Ray and Tookie not carried the flag.


Maybe? You mean to say that there is a remote possiblity that the violence in Los Angeles today is soley in the hands of Tookie Williams?

the co-founder of the "Crips"

"Co-Founder"? Lol. You couldn't have said it better if you were running for office.

the gang that has shed more blood of innocent people in their chicken shit drive-bys than anybody

Blood that would have been shed anyway, under the circumstances of what Los Angeles had become socially and economically by the 1970s, regardless of rather or not Tookie Williams had ever been born.

you don't get it Still No Script.

No, I get it. You, on the other hand, are spreading propaganda passed on to you by right winged, A.M. radio nuts, who know absolutely shit about what it's like to grow up in South Los Angeles.

The man must be held accountable not only for the 4 murders he committed, but for the HEINOUS idea that he and Raymond spawned.

He has been held accountable, on both counts. Did you forget he's serving a life sentence, regardless of rather or not The Fuckinator grants him clemency?


What's downright bullshit is this notion that Tookie somehow carries a heavy load of the blame for what Los Angeles has become today, in regards to gangs and violence. As if poverty, broken families (in many cases due to fathers serving time for victimless drug crimes, courtesy of the 'War on Drugs'), and a City rooted in racism and corruption have nothing to do with the expansion of the Crips.

If young, un-educated, poverished Black men had this much power, don't you think they would run more than square blocks in the ghettos of big cities?

Face it, through the course of the last 30 years, some people in high places looked the other way when they saw what was becoming of the Crips, when they were otherwise in a position to put the problem out like a cigarette butt.

There are kids ALL OVER the US who have killed each other for the "red or blue".

Throw in broken families, poverty, pisspore education and essentially a hopeless upbringing, not to mention a gross neglegence on the part of both government and corporate America in regards to automatic weapons being readily availaible, in mass quantities, to these very misdirected kids; And, oh, what was that one you brought up, again? Oh, yeh. Red and Blue baseball caps. Sure thing. Got it.

To say he should get a pass because somebody else would have done it anyway is PURO PEDO.

I never said he should get a pass. I never even disclosed where I stand on his clemency, or where I stand on the death penalty. Allthough I'll admit I've made it pretty obvious. But that was never my point, and I never suggested Tookie Williams was an innocent man who shouldn't be locked up.

My argument is in response to people who attempt to make the ridiculous point suggesting that somehow gangs wouldn't be that bad, or wouldn't even exist at all, if it wasn't for the title, 'Crips' and Tookie Williams; And, you've proclaimed yourself as a card carrying member of that club.

That argument don't hold water homie.

Which argment?

The one I make where gangs are spawned from combination of broken families, poverty, and corrupted local, state, and federal government?

Are they not?

Could you even give it some thought, without ruining your fanatical ideology that Tookie Williams is the primary reason the Crips are as big as they are today?

That's the same fucking argument ALL those Nazi war criminals used.... "other German soldiers would have done it if I didn't".
or "I was just following orders".
Hey, fuck it, why even have Metzger in jail, somebody else would have done it if he didn't.
JESUS.


Oh, now I'm no different than a Nazi-sympathizer...

Sober up.

The message HAS to be sent, "it's not COOL or OK to be a gangsta killa.

Message sent, on the 'ok' part. Who doesn't allready know that being a gangster is a dangerous lifestyle that often results in death, and will certainly at some point result in incarceration?

As far as cool goes, I hate to say it, but being a gangster is cool. So is smoking. So is sex. So is cursing. So is drug use. Do you think Johnny Cash got to where he was by wearing button up sweaters and singing songs that go, "I hugged a man in Reno, just to watch him cry"?

Is it 'coolness' that's the problem with gangs? Is this really the time for you to pour out your bottled up feelings on how the 'cool' people always win and the nice guys always lose?

Yeh, it's really cool to grow up in Compton with a father locked up, a mother addicted to heroin, poor as shit and the only father figure you know of is the same guy who fronts mom the smack.

Inner city kids don't gang bang to be cool. They allready are cool. Coolness is the only thing that keeps them from killing themselves, in many cases.

I think you're talking about the middle class kids who listen to rap music and drop some excstacy in a girl's drink at a frat party. I'm ready to lock those fuckers away when you are. Seems the state only gives them probation; Because, you know, we woulnd't want to ruin their life over one small mistake....

As long as you're for punishing cool people....

and the best way to do that is to give Tookie the shot.

Yeh, sure. Tookie dying will convince pissed off, young gang bangers across the country that it's not okay to be in a gang; Nor is it cool. Maybe it will bring the number of Black Bush supporters up from 2% to like maybe 4%, too. Let's hold the good thought....

Enough said.

Enough said to convince us that you are completely delusional as to what effect Tookie's execution would have on inner city children, or society, for that matter.

Anonymous said...

StillNo Script...
I see why you have that handle. It's obvious you're an "enlightened" man who is wanting to write a movie or book.

Let me tell you something.
You're right about one thing. Some idiots think it IS COOL to be a gangster. That's what I was talking about. And Tookie made it waaay cool. Co-founded a gang.

But while you're at it, don't cry and bitch and make excuses for fuckups who make bad choices.

"We need more jobs"......my ass.
Check out how the Paisas are flocking to New Orleans right now to take the jobs that the "poor inner city folks" won't take. They're even paying 2 bucks above minimum wage. Why won't those black kids take those jobs?

Is it because they're too busy banging and being cool? Hey pal, here's the oppurtunity for you to better yourself and we're gonna pay you more than some middle class kid in Omaha gets. "No thanks
sucka, I'll keep banging and slanging".

Don't give me the pedo about the poor inner city kids...but as long as they got suckers like to you to accept their behavior because they weren't born to a good family they are gonna keep on with the same ol same ol. If you knew as much about gangsters as you claim to, you would know that MOST of them nowadays have choices of whether or not they get jumped in. It's not like it was 30 years ago. There are alot of kids who get jumped in cause they THINK it's cool. Then it's too late.
Ray, Tookie, Snoop, Suge, and all the other gangsta's made sure of that.

But hey, lets keep making them excuses for them and not hold them accountable.

affirmative action, government programs, and ALL the other numerous giveaways aint gonna change a fucking thing until we step up as a society and say "Not cool".

As for Johnny Cash, he was the Eminem of country music. he NEVER spent a day in the pen. Just a couple days in city/county jails for little bullshit beefs like DUI
and under the influence.

Anonymous said...

Hey stillnoscript

You should run for Mayor and fix the problems in the inner city. The
poor folks in the hood would love you. You could build them new housing projects...and after they had them completely fucked up and trashed in a year, you could build them another one.

Then you could give all the youth centers 5 or 10 million for after school programs. Then when 4 or 5 kids a day showed up, and the rest were out hanging in the hood, you could think of something else.
You sure seem to have the answers as to why inner city kids make the choices they do.
RUN FOR MAYOR.
LA NEEDS YOU!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"We need more jobs"......my ass.
Check out how the Paisas are flocking to New Orleans right now to take the jobs that the "poor inner city folks" won't take. They're even paying 2 bucks above minimum wage. Why won't those black kids take those jobs?


Amen brother!!! While I don't completely blame "Tookie" and his co-founders for spawning the decades-old wave of violence that is the crips, we must still not make excuses for all the idiots who chose to use their socio-economic disadvantages as a convenient excuse to piss their life away by joining a gang or otherwise. As long as people like New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, Tookie sympathisers, and other people on this blog provide excuses for these idiots, then the next Tookie is just a few moments away. Although Tookie may not be the one to blame for all the crip murders and violence, he's still responsible for taking the lives of four innocent human beings. In essence Tookie is a four-time unrepentant serial killer, and yet some people still want to "demand" clemency for his cowardly ass. As I've mentioned before, I'm against the death penalty, but come December 13 I think "The Terminator" will have a whole new meaning to it because Tookie has done nothing to give himself a chance at clemency. Just calling a spade a spade. Much respect to all on this blog.

Anonymous said...

THE TOOKIE OF ORANGE COUNTY WAS SANA,AFTER ALL THE MURDERS HE COSIGN THERE OUT PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT THINK HE IS A SAINT.

Anonymous said...

"As for Johnny Cash, he was the Eminem of country music. he NEVER spent a day in the pen. Just a couple days in city/county jails for little bullshit beefs like DUI
and under the influence."

That is straight bullshit. Some people on this board would have you believe that unless you are covered with tats, paroled to your mom's garage, are on methadone maintenence, and have a giant brush you aint about shit.

Johnny Cash had more personality,authenticity, charisma and talent in his little finger than Eminem does in his whole wigger body. He was realer than all the gangster rappers put together.
True, CASH never did any pen time (who cares?)but he spent alot of time in their playing for the cons and truly gave a shit. He grew up on a tore up small farm poor as fuck, had his brother die in an industrial accident and joined the military because there was no other options.
He was truly unique with a sound all his own and made great records until his seventies.

Anonymous said...

Johnny Cash is firme in my book.

Anonymous said...

Have you not figured it out StillNoScript?
Poverty aint the reason these
kids join gangs these days.
But you keep believing what
you are/were told in your social science class by some professor who has never even talked to a down gangster in his/her life.
You sound like you oughta be running a social program.
The poor inner city folks have become government dependent and
have a "gimme gimme I want"
attitude. They feel they are
entitled to shit without earning
it. People like you are the reason
why. Keep giving it to them, and they become dependent...a slave to
it. Then they're fucked for life!!
Their situation will never get any better. Who's the bad guy? The
gavas who say: "we aint giving you
nothing unless you work for it"..
or the people who say: "just give em what they want, after all, they're disadvantaged". Keep giving it to em, and they will NEVER want nor be willing to earn it. It's called dependency homie.
You want to see the poor inner city folks make something of themselves, treat them the same as the early immigrants to this country..BEFORE WELFARE..many a past successful man started out as a dirt poor kid in New York. I myself am the offspring of "fruit
tramps" (can you say migrant farm
worker). This welfare society is what keeps people down.
Wake up!!!!!

Don Quixote said...

"Poverty isn't the reason these inner city kids join gangs"
Gee what insight! I guess thats why we have all these huge street gangs in Encino, or Laguna Beach? And maybe you instead of criticizing "Still no Script" and the "Social Science Dept." at our institutions of higher learning ought to maybe attend a class yourself, "enlightenment" might be a scary thing to you but it could be a benefit in the long run.

Don Quixote said...

Oh yeah, by the way, speaking of poverty and the "death penalty" and the "bleeding heart Liberals", when was the last time we got to see someone from "High Brahman" class in this country get the death penalty? Don't we live in a Democracy? The so called "deterent factor" of capital punishment should be made available to all,or none right? and until that happens I'll be against the "chickenshit" death penalty, "E Pluribus Unim" baby!

Hey what ever happened to "King Boy George's neice, you know "Jeb Bush's little girl who got busted in Rehab with an ounce of crack in her shoe? Gosh it's a good thing she wasn't in Vietnam or she might of got the noose! Que no?
ANd one thing someone forgot to mention which really sounds good to me is the "death penalty" for "economic crimes" in China and Vietnam. Sounds great to me as these bastards like the robber barons of "World Com", "Kenny Baby" Lay of "Enron", whoever is the brains behind "Halliburton/KBR",and their no bid contract scams, the whole bunch from the "Savings and Loan" deregulation debacle that ruined thousands of peoples lives, etc; etc; etc;. What do you think you bunch of right wing nuts?, couldn't we just give them the gas too? It could really be a deterent!!

Anonymous said...

So it is settled: Gas to all!! Sorry, Tookie, thumbs down, bro.

Anonymous said...

these fags just want to point the finger at all us minorities in the system and say were all fucked up so they can feel better about themselves and what little shit they have, because at least their not in prison. good point regarding all the gangs in encino, 90210, and malibu. there's some straight gang savages out there molded in the harsh reality of wealth ahahahaa
fucking queers

Anonymous said...

anybody have an idea for me for 15 years ive shaved my head religously im growing up i need a new hair cut something not gay and something not convict any ideas.

Anonymous said...

Try shaving just the top like Larry from the Three Stooges.

Anonymous said...

Don Quixote said...
Oh yeah, by the way, speaking of poverty and the "death penalty" and the "bleeding heart Liberals", when was the last time we got to see someone from "High Brahman" class in this country get the death penalty? Don't we live in a Democracy? The so called "deterent factor" of capital punishment should be made available to all,or none right? and until that happens I'll be against the "chickenshit" death penalty, "E Pluribus Unim" baby!


Hey homes, check it out. See how many many minorities have been executed in California since the death penalty was reinstated as compared to how many whites.
The proof is the pudding!!!!!!!!!!
You might be surprised as to what you find. Before you go smackin your gums about the unfair, "racist"
system, you need to get your facts straight. Try having a debate based on facts...and not emotional drivel because you weren't given the best station in life. Once again, it's easy for you victims to cry and cry that you're a victim,
and that the "system" or "man" is out to get you and "keep you down".
Uh huh, only the facts don't back you up. The fastest growing segment of our economy is MIDDLE class Hispanics. Followed closely by MIDDLE class blacks. The Asians are already past that. Hmmmm, all that from a system that you think is set up to "keep you down".
Your argument don't hold water homie. If the system IS set up that
way, it isn't working. If it isn't working, why should you cry about it? There's no fear of you being held back if it doesn't work. GET IT?????? But the reality is, it isn't "set up" that way at all. Ask a Hispanic construction contractor who owns his own business, lives in a house on the hill, and his kids go to private school. Ask him about the contracts he's given because of the
states policy of giving contracts to minority companies. I ought to know about this, since I work FOR HIM. But hey, "the boogeyman" is always there for the screwups who make bad decisions, refuse to work, and don't buy into the American way. Then the bleeding hearts back them up and tell them they're right, and bingo...their feelings are validated...and the bleeding hearts feel like they've helped somebody less fortunate that themselves. But they haven't helped them, they've enabled them.
By the way Don Q, I've been to college and have a degree. You see
partner, I work for my friend as his CPA.
Education by itself doesn't enlighten one without life experience to back it up.

Anonymous said...

Amen brother. My daughter
couldn't get into UC Berkley
with a 4.2 GPA..and she was
taking advanced college
courses.
But there's Hispanic/Black
kids that can get in with
lower GPA's. She was flat
out told that by the dean
of admissions.

Sounds like the system is sure
set up to keep somebody down.
Maybe it's white people.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
these fags just want to point the finger at all us minorities in the system and say were all fucked up so they can feel better about themselves and what little shit they have, because at least their not in prison. good point regarding all the gangs in encino, 90210, and malibu. there's some straight gang savages out there molded in the harsh reality of wealth ahahahaa
fucking queers

Yeah, we sit around and worry about you fucking idiots in the varrio and ghetto. NOT.
YOU sit around and blame us for all your problems. It's all our fault. That's why you're doomed
to a lower status in life, cause you see yourself as a victim.
Keep it up. It obviously works
for you and your people.

Anonymous said...

Of the last 11 executions in
California 8 were white.

DEFINITLEY SOUNDS LIKE A
RACIST SYSTEM TO ME
WHEN YOU CONSIDER THE
PERCENTAGE OF MINORITIES ON
DEATH ROW COMPARED TO
WHITES.

Don Quixote said...

Maybe youse guys need to read a little more carefully,as I never said anything about race and the death penalty, my contention is, and I think if you check out the facts, is that the death penalty is not democractic but is based on class and how much $$$$$ you got to defend yourself with. Poor white boys are going to get the death penalty as fast as poor minorities and rich minorities (Check "OJ") are going to skate as fast as a wealthy white person.(well almost as fast), Got It!
ANd the problem with our justice system is that it isn't blind or democratic but based on how much $$$$ you got to spend, and anybody who doesn't understand this is either a fool or a scoundrel.

By the way, I have stated that the "death penalty" should be applied to "economic crimes" that are commited through huge conspiracy's and are so massive and evil in causing great pain and suffering,even death to people, that they should be considered a capital offense.
Now this motherfucker I think is a great candidate for the "Big Chill"
US Rep Randy "Duke" Cunningham 8 term Conservative Republican from San Diego copped a plea in Federal court to charges of "Conspiracy, Fraud, Tax Evasion,Bribery",. through his front co. "Top Gun Ent." he received over $2,500,000.00 in bribes and other gifts and perks like a Rolls Royce, expensive vacations, jewelry,etc; from his his crony's at "MZM Inc." and especially "CEO MR. Wade" who got for the "mordida" at least $163,000,000.00 in Federal Contracts, mostly classified defense related involving the gathering and analysis of intelligence for the Military.
"Cunningham" sold his house (valued at $700,000.)to "Wade" for an inflated price of over a $1,500,000.00 and purchased a home in "Rancho Santa Fe" for $2,500,000.00. He also lived on a yacht given to him by "Wade" named the "Duke Stir" (used to be the "Buoy Toy", fudgepackers!).

Now this is an example of the bullshit concerning the system of justice we have going for us as this cocksucker "Cunningham" who has probably put our military personell in harms way with his butt buddy "Wade", cops a plea and is only looking at 10 years max while some poor fucking Spliv gets that or more for robbing a liquor store for $75, and some down and out Hype gets the "Big Bitch" (life) for a third strike beef stealing a bicycle!
Again, all you "Tough on Crime" people, when a motherfucking phonie ass real criminal like the "Duke Stir" walks his last mile that's when I'll be for the chickenshit death penalty.
Diga Mi La Neta, Pues!

Anonymous said...

Amen brother. My daughter
couldn't get into UC Berkley
with a 4.2 GPA..and she was
taking advanced college
courses.
But there's Hispanic/Black
kids that can get in with
lower GPA's. She was flat
out told that by the dean
of admissions.

i thought after pete wilson got the blacks to vote yes on prop 187, he took the blacks baby ( aa) away because they couldnt stop him without our support and we were pissed they voted for 187


im not saying the system is desgned to keep us down. im saying anybody can get a degree when their parents support them, love them, and instill the idea of attending college in them from day one. its alot harder when your mom's high, pops drunk, your poor and hating life in a crummy elementary, jr high, a high schools. i overcame, but that dont mean i have to believe we all started out from the same place. some people seemed doomed from the start. if they fail who the fuck are you to be pointing fingers? if you had it hard, you should understand and chalk up your sucess to being stronger, smarter, whatever. if you never had it hard how can you speak on something you know nothing about? you cant.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, we sit around and worry about you fucking idiots in the varrio and ghetto. NOT.
YOU sit around and blame us for all your problems. It's all our fault. That's why you're doomed
to a lower status in life, cause you see yourself as a victim.
Keep it up. It obviously works
for you and your people.



are you blind pendejo? we already came up. better look around

sincerley,
the victim

Anonymous said...

Don Quixote,
So, you're against the death penalty for a multiple murderer

but for it for a thief?

I guess if you ever had a loved one murdered you'd feel different.

That's the dumbest shit I ever heard. For a man who claims to be
enlightened it sounds to me like
your getting a little emotional.

Have a brew and relax. You CAN'T
be serious...CAN YOU?

Anonymous said...

are you blind pendejo? we already came up. better look around

sincerley,
the victim

Have you come up my friend?

You say you have....but a bunch
of your carnales are ALWAYS
bitching and crying like a pinche mayate that the white man's
system is keeping you down.

So who's full of pedo? Which is
it?
Either you've come up, which means
they're full of shit,
or you haven't and you're full of shit.
TYPICAL.

Anonymous said...

Now that you're here,
tell how great Mexico is.
You know, the place you or your ancestors left.
Evidently it was
fucked up when you/they left.....
It must be better now.

For ALL you sniveling bitches who
whine about the system
DON QUIXOTE.....
20 MILLION ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS
CAN'T BE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Now that you're here,
tell how great Mexico is.
You know, the place you or your ancestors left.
Evidently it was
fucked up when you/they left.....
It must be better now.

For ALL you sniveling bitches who
whine about the system
DON QUIXOTE.....
20 MILLION ILLEGAL IMIGRANTS
CAN'T BE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That shit is funny.
You sure as hell put the snivelers
in check.

Anonymous said...

Who would leave a country for a
better one and then turn around
and bitch about the place he came
to......BUT NOT GO BACK.

It takes an "enlightened" man to reason like that.
That is analytical thinking
if I've ever seen it.
(SARCASM)

Don Quixote said...

I rest my case, further "enlightenment" must be prescribed or maybe "ignorance is bliss" for some. I never said I was against the death penalty per se only the specific application of it which means it now only applies to poor powerless people of all races. When any justice system or rules of law become "self serving" and prejudicial in it's application then the so called "deterent" factor becomes a farce and the whole system breaks down, which is what's happening now.
And what's with the "millions of mexicans can't be wrong" comment? Is that supposed to have any pertinence to the discussion at hand? Is that an indication of some kind of "Mexican Phobia"? Get to a shrink quick!

Anonymous said...

Mexicans are basically just life support systems for leaf blowers.

Anonymous said...

sounds like the mexican on life support must have been banging your mother or main squeeze after he finished the leaves. Calmado, it's all pink on the inside.

Anonymous said...

Question:
What do you say to a mexican and a nigger in 3 piece suits?

Answer:
"Will the Defedents please rise"

Anonymous said...

You say you have....but a bunch
of your carnales are ALWAYS
bitching and crying like a pinche mayate that the white man's
system is keeping you down.

So who's full of pedo? Which is
it?
Either you've come up, which means
they're full of shit,
or you haven't and you're full of shit.
TYPICAL.


DANG , YOU FOOLS CANT SEEM TO REALIZE THAT IM THE SAME GUY TALKING ABOUT THE MAYATES GETTING A RAW DEAL AND ALSO SAYING I CAME UP.
CANT A VATO COME UP AND STILL THINK THE GHETTO PUTS GENTE AT A DISADVANTAGE COMPARED TO GENTE FROM GOOD NEIGHBOORHOODS. CANT A MOFO GO TO COLLEGE AND STILL RECOGNIZE THAT RACISM EXISTS. IM THE SAME MOFO THAT HIT YA, WENT TO COLLEGE, AND MADE SOMETHING OF HIMSELF, YET STILL BELIEVES ALOT OF BLACKS AND CHICANOS ARE DISCRIMINATED AGAINST AND THEREFORE ARE ON UNEQUAL FOOTING IN THE RAT RACE. YOUR ARGUMENT SUGGEST THAT BECAUSE I CAME UP, I SHOULD TURN MY BACK ON EVERYONE STILL TRYING, SOME OF WHO DONT SUCCEED.

THE FACT YOU CANT COMPREHEND THAT JUST CONFIRMS MY BELIEF MANY OF YOU ARE SELLOUT CO'S WHO ALTHOUGH NOT HIGHLY EDUCATED, MAKE EXCELLENT MONEY, AND THEREFORE LIKE TO THINK THEMSELVES ABOVE THE POORER RAZA. YOUR A KEY TURNER! GET AN EDUCATION!

Anonymous said...

DANG , YOU FOOLS CANT SEEM TO REALIZE THAT IM THE SAME GUY TALKING ABOUT THE MAYATES GETTING A RAW DEAL AND ALSO SAYING I CAME UP.

My oh my. So you had it tougher than my somebody else huh?
Well, somebody had it tougher than you.
If you spent as much time instilling positve theories and
HABITS to the gente from the ghetto
you'd do alot more good for them than emphasizing how tough things are for them.
They have a better chance today than they've EVER had.
Why not emphasize that?

Anonymous said...

A guy claiming to be thee "founder" of the crips gang was a guest on the John and Ken radio show on KFI and dropped a barrage of atomic bombs on "Tookie". During John & Ken's "Tookie Must Die Hour" (5-6pm), the guy claimed to be the orginal founder of the crips and said that "Tookie" was a second generation crip, as was Raymond Washington who is also credited along with Tookie of being the co-founders. He went on to say that Tookie is a pedophile who once molested a boy and that Tookie also once tried to rape his own sister. Holy cow!!! This guy was really worked up about Tookie and Ray taking credit for being the co-founders and stated that Tookie is not a real OG but a coward who should be put to death for the four murders that he bragged and laughed about. He said he wishes he could get locked in the same cell with Tookie so he could go bare knuckles with Tookie's ass. If you ask me this guy was the real deal because he had tons of info and details on Tookie and the crips. Last but not least, this guy said that he once introduced Tookie to "The Terminator" back when all three used to pump iron down in Venice. Ohhh!!! The iron-y is killing me!!! Yes, pun definately intended. Much respect to all on this blog.

Anonymous said...

HERES THE STORY OF ANOTHER MAYATE WHO THREW EVERYTHING AWAY LIKE THE DUMMY US MINORITIES ARE. HE HAD ALL THE OPPORTUNITIES THE SELL OUTS ON THIS BOARD HAD, ONLY HE WASNT AS SMART AS THEM. HE DIDNT ENVISION THE NICE HOUSE, BOAT, AND CAR THAT BEING A CO WILL GET YOU EVEN WITHOUT AN EDUCATION. YOU SUCKAS AINT NADA BUT GOONS AND TURNKEYS.

At the age of 11, "Yummy" Sandifer killed and was killed. His short, violent life is a haunting tale.
By NANCY R. GIBBS

*Sep. 19, 1994
On a bright September afternoon last week, the mothers of Chicago's South Side brought their children to a vigil for a dead boy they had never met. They wanted their kids to see the scrawny corpse in the loose tan suit lying in a coffin, next to his stuffed animals, finally harmless. The big kids dragged the little kids up to look at the stitches on his face where the bullets fired into the back of his head had torn through. The only picture the family could find for the funeral program was a mug shot. "Take a good look," said the Rev. Willie James Campbell. "Cry if you will, but make up your mind that you will never let your life end like this."


Parents hoped to haunt their children; maybe fear would keep them safe. Lynn Jeneta, 29, took her nine-year-old son Ron. If he got scared enough, she decided, "maybe then he wouldn't be lying there himself one of these days." She pushed him right up to the coffin. Ron tried to stay calm. "Some kids said Yummy looked like he was sleeping, but he didn't look like he was sleeping to me." What exactly then did he look like? "Kind of like he was gone, you know?" His composure melts. "When Mama pushed me forward, I thought I was going to fall right in the damn coffin. That gives me nightmares, you know? Can you imagine falling into a coffin?"

Many who knew Robert ("Yummy") Sandifer better mourned him less. "Nobody didn't like that boy. Nobody gonna miss him," said Morris Anderson, 13. Anderson used to get into fistfights with Yummy, who received the nickname because of his love of cookies and Snickers bars. "He was a crooked son of a bitch," said a local grocer, who had barred him from the store for stealing so much. "Always in trouble. He stood out there on the corner and strong- armed other kids. No one is sorry to see him gone."

Nor, it seems, was anyone very surprised. The neighborhood was still grieving its other dead child, the girl Yummy allegedly killed two weeks ago, when he was supposed to fire on some rival gang members but shot 14-year-old Shavon Dean instead. Police descended on the gang, and Yummy became a liability. So he became a victim too. When he was found dead in a bloody mud puddle under a railway viaduct three days later, an entire city shuddered and clutched its children and looked for lessons.

The mayor of Chicago admitted that Yummy had slipped through the cracks. Just what cracks were those? The sharp crevices that trap children and break them into cruel little pieces. Chicago's authorities had known about Yummy for years. He was born to a teenage addict mother and a father now in jail. As a baby he was burned and beaten. As a student he often missed more days of school than he attended. As a ripening thug he shuttled between homes and detention centers and the safe houses maintained by his gang. The police arrested him again and again and again; but the most they could do under Illinois law was put him on probation. Thirteen local juvenile homes wouldn't take him because he was too young.


Before they grow up, these children can become walking weapons. One very mean little boy didn't grow up, so he became an icon instead. The crimes he committed -- and those he suffered -- shook the country's conscience in a way that violent acts with far larger body counts no longer do. "If ever there was a case where the kid's future was predictable, it was this case," says Cook County public guardian Patrick Murphy. "What you've got here is a kid who was made and turned into a sociopath by the time he was three years old." Yummy's mother Lorina called him, without irony, "an average 11-year-old." The courts and cops and probation officers and psychologists who tracked his criminal career all agree. "I see a lot of Roberts," says Cook County Circuit Judge Thomas Sumner, who handled charges against Yummy for armed robbery and car theft. "We see this 100 times a week," says Murphy.

The proof is in the paperwork -- worn folders inches thick, filed at the public guardian's office, the courts, the police headquarters and now the medical examiner's office. Yummy's files are indistinguishable from the records of thousands of other urban American kids. The evidence -- if more evidence is really necessary -- is overwhelming: when a child's brain is flooded, the child eventually drowns.

That was the verdict of a psychiatric evaluation last November. "Robert is emotionally flooded," the confidential report reads. "His response to the flooding is to back away from demanding situations and act out impulsively and unpredictably." The examiner asked him to complete the sentence "I am very . . ." "Sick," Yummy replied. The examiner saw a child full of self- hate, lonely, illiterate, wary. When he heard a walkie-talkie down the hall, he jumped from his seat, afraid of police. "You tryin' to trick me," he accused the examiner. There was not much doubt about how he came to be that way -- only about whether anyone or anything could save him.

Yummy's mother was the third of 10 children from four fathers -- she never knew her own. When she was 15 she had her first son Lorenzo, then Victor, then Yummy and eventually five more. She dropped out of 10th grade, found an apartment, went on welfare and nursed a crack habit. For a while she tried living with Yummy's father Robert Akins, who was convicted of drug and weapons charges. They soon split because he had "a rather angry and hot temper," she told a social worker.

So, apparently, did she. The first charge of child neglect was filed in 1984, when Lorina failed to follow doctors' orders for treating two-year-old Victor's eye condition. He eventually went blind. The following year 22-month- old Yummy arrived at Jackson Park Hospital covered with scratches and bruises. A few months later it was his sister, this time with second- and third-degree burns on her genitals. Lorina explained that the toddler had fallen on the radiator. An emergency-room nurse told the court that the injuries did not quite match the story. Someone probably held the child on the heater, the nurse testified.

The courts finally moved in a year later, when neighbors told police that the five children were routinely being left at home alone. By the time they removed the kids, Yummy was a bundle of anger and scars. He had long welts on his left leg; police suspected he was beaten with an electrical cord. There were cigarette burns on his shoulders and buttocks. "I never beat my kids," Lorina insists to this day. She says the scars were caused by chicken pox, not cigarettes. "I gave him all the attention I could," she says of Yummy, but admits there were distractions. Now 29, she has been arrested 41 times, mainly for prostitution.

"He shouldn't be dead," she says, sitting in her living room the day after his funeral. There is a white bucket in the corner with a live frog he caught a few weeks ago. "He liked to fish," she says. "People think he was a monster, but he was nice to me." She says she saw him regularly; he called her Reen instead of Mom, and, she admits, "he was always blaming me" for his problems. "They could have saved him and rehabilitated him," she insists. "When he started taking cars, they should have put him away then and given him therapy."

From early on, the child-welfare workers had little hope for Lorina as a parent. "There is no reason to believe that Lorina Sandifer will ever be able to adequately meet her own needs, let alone to meet the needs of her growing family," a psychiatrist reported to the juvenile court in 1986. And so Yummy and his brothers and sister were placed with his grandmother, Janie Fields, whom Yummy took to calling Mama. Her prognosis as a care giver was not much more promising. The psychiatric report described Fields as "a very controlling, domineering, castrating woman with a rather severe borderline personality disorder."

Neighbors in the black working-class neighborhood called Roseland still remember the day Janie Fields moved into a two-story, three-bedroom house with her brood: nearly all her 10 children and 30 grandchildren lived with her at one time or another. "They are dirty and noisy, and they are ruining the neighborhood," complained a neighbor. Residents launched an unsuccessful petition drive to force Fields out. "All those kids are little troublemakers," said Carl McClinton, 23, who lives down the street. "This is the kind of neighborhood where we all look after each other's kids, but they are a rougher breed."

The neighborhood kids describe two different Yummy Sandifers. There is the bully, the extortionist, the fierce fighter who would take on the big kids and beat them. "Yummy would ask you for 50 cents," says Steve Nelson, 11, "and if he knew you were scared and you gave him the money, he'd ask for another 50 cents." Erica Williams, 20, a neighbor, says, "You really can't describe how bad he really was. He'd curse you completely out. He broke in school, took money, burned cars."

Others recall a sweeter side. Lulu Washington sells discount candy out of her house, just across from Yummy's. "He just wanted love," she says. For that, he could be disarmingly kind. "He'd say thank you, excuse me, pardon me." He loved animals and basketball and had a way with bicycles. He once even merged two bikes into a single, working tandem. Those were the good times. "It always meant trouble when he was with a group," says Ollie Jones- Edwards, 54. "If he was alone, he was sweet as jelly."

Yummy liked great big cars, Lincolns and Cadillacs, says Micaiah Peterson, 17. "He could drive real well. It was like a midget driving a luxury car." Sometimes he hung out at the local garage, learning about alternators and fuel injectors. When he wasn't stealing cars, he was throwing things at them or setting them on fire. "What could you do?" asks McClinton. "Tell his grandmother? She'd yell at him, and he'd be right back on the street. If the police picked him up, they'd just bring him back home because he was too young to lock up. He was untouchable, and he knew that."

His odds of reaching the age of 12 dropped sharply when he fell in with the local Black Disciples gang. Several thousand or so gang members in Chicago are spread out across separate fiefdoms, led by "ministers" in their 30s and 40s who are always recruiting children. There is plenty of work for everyone: car theft, drug running, prostitution, extortion, credit-card fraud. Police suspect that gang leaders use the little ones as drug runners and hit men because they are too young to be seriously punished if they are caught.

On the other hand, they aren't likely to last long. "If you make it to 19 around here, you are a senior citizen," says Terrance Green, 19. "If you live past that, you're doing real good." A Black Disciple named Keith, 17, describes the role the youngest members play: "He's this small little punk but wants a name, right? So you make him do the work. 'Hey, homey, get me a car. A red car. A red sports car. By tonight. I'm taking my woman out. Or hey, homey, go find me $50. Or hey, little homey, you wanna be big? Go pop that nigger that's messing with our business."

Yummy averaged a felony a month for the last year and a half of his life; 23 felonies and five misdemeanors in all. Ann O'Callaghan, a lawyer and assistant public guardian, met Yummy once, last December in court. She was astounded by his size and demeanor. "Some of these kids we represent are ominous characters. But I had to bend over, and I was like, 'Hi! My name is Ann, and I'm your lawyer.' I couldn't believe it." Yummy wasn't the least bit intimidated by the courtroom. "It was like he was just sitting there waiting for a bus."

Last fall Yummy was placed with the Lawrence Hall Youth Services, which runs homes for troubled teenagers. He ran away in February and went back to his grandmother until June, when he spent two weeks in a detention facility. In July, Yummy and his cousin Darryl went on a church trip to Six Flags Great America, an hour north of the city. "Yummy couldn't get on most of the rides," Darryl says. "He was too small." On another day a neighbor, Ida Falls, took Yummy and 12 other kids to the local police station to see a film on crime. The cops asked her not to bring him back because he got into fights with other children. On Aug. 15 he was charged in another burglary. By Aug. 28 he would be firing the fatal bullets -- and it would be too late.

Falls' niece Shavon Dean lived around the corner from Yummy and had known him growing up. One August Sunday night she was sitting in the kitchen eating Doritos, while her mother Deborah was out back grilling ribs and chicken for a family barbecue. Shavon slipped out for a few minutes to walk a friend home. She never made it back.

George Knox, a gang researcher at Chicago State University, believes Yummy was sent on a specific mission of revenge sparked by a drug feud or a personal insult. "If it was just an initiation ceremony, he'd do it from a car. But to go right up to the victims, that means he was trying to collect some points and get some rank or maybe a nice little cash bonus." Yummy opened fire with a 9-mm semiautomatic into a crowd of kids playing football. Sammy Seay, 16, was struck in the hand. "I hit the ground," says Seay. "It was the second or third shot before I knew I had been shot. So I got up and I just ran, trying to save my life." Shavon was struck in the head and died within minutes. "Shavon never got a chance, never got a chance," her mother says.

Yummy spent the last three days of his life on the run. Gang members shuttled him between safe houses and abandoned buildings as police swooped down on the neighborhood, searching for the shooter, followed by a flock of reporters. Gang leaders felt the pressure. "He was like a trapped animal with everyone after him," says Knox. "He was the hunter, and then he was the prey."

Maybe Yummy figured out that the gang's protection was not worth much. Janie Fields last spoke to Yummy Wednesday afternoon before he died. "He said, 'What is the police looking for me for?' I said, 'I'm coming to get you.' I had clothes with me 'cause I knew he was probably filthy and dirty. My heart was racing. I said, 'You ain't done nothing wrong, just let me come and get you.' " The phone went dead. She went to 95th Street, where he said he would be. "He wasn't there."

But he appeared that night on a neighbor's porch, visibly frightened, asking that she call his grandmother so he could turn himself in. He asked if they could say a prayer together. The neighbor went to make the call, and when she came back, he was gone. The police can only guess what happened next. Derrick Hardaway, 14, and his brother Cragg, 16, both honor students and fellow gang members, found Yummy and promised that they could help him get out of town. They drove him to a railroad underpass, a dark tunnel marbled with gang graffiti. Yummy's body was found lying in the mud, with two bullet wounds in the back of his head.

Now it's the Hardaway brothers' turn. Authorities say gang leaders, who can easily order hits in any prison in the state, may have the Hardaways targeted next. Both boys were arrested and are being held in protective custody. As for the other children in Yummy's neighborhood, when they are asked what would make them feel safer, most give the same answer: getting a gun. Among other things, it would protect them from the children who already have them.

There were those who were missing Yummy last week, those who had seen the child and not the killer. "Everyone thinks he was a bad person, but he respected my mom, who's got cancer," says Kenyata Jones, 12. Yummy used to come over to Jones' house several times a month for sleep-overs. "We'd bake cookies and brownies and rent movies like the old Little Rascals in black and white," says Jones. "He was my friend, you know? I just cried and cried at school when I heard about what happened," he says, plowing both hands into his pants pockets for comfort before returning to his house to take care of his mother. "And I'm gonna cry some more today, and I'm gonna cry some more tomorrow too."

Anonymous said...

Don Quixote,
Arrogance combined with an inferiority complex is a funny
combination.

You make statements like:
"Get an education" or "ignorance is bliss" regarding my views.

Hmmmm. I have an education.
A Bachelors in Business Administration from Orgon State
University.
I also have 48 years on this earth
from which I form my views based on my experiences and observations.

But since you see yourself as
"enlightened"....you need to see me as "unelightened".
That's ARROGANCE.

Your assumptions that I'm talking specifically about "Mexicans" when I say illegal imigrant;
that's your INFERIORITY COMPLEX.

Perhaps it is a combination of the two that keep you from having a debate based on logic and not emotionally driven. Perhaps that is what leads you to make disparaging comments when you begin to lose the argument.
That's what a redneck or gang-banger with no education does.
Are they "enlightened too"?

Anonymous said...

Come on DonQ
We're all waiting for your answer
to the statement:

20 million illegal immigrants
cant be wrong.

Anonymous said...

If you are so fucking educated
what are doing on this blog?
You did put that Quixote fool
on hush tho.

StillNoScript said...

If I were to believe some of you, I would have to believe that;

Poverty has nothing to do with gangs.

Racism plays no factor in what gangs have become.

If Tookie Williams hadn't have founded the crips, there would be little to no violence on the streets of L.A.

There are good jobs available all over Los Angeles, but poorer Blacks and Latinos would RATHER collect welfare, which would pay LESS than a middle class wage. Thus, they would rather live in public housing than live in a house in a suburb.

Inner City kids join gangs for one reason and one reason only; It's COOL.

Wealthy white liberals, who have a history of voting for;

a) more money going to inner city public schools than what the average Republican would vote for.

b) A progressive tax system that would ease the tax burden on not only poorer workers, but everyone up to the 200k per year bracket; Where as the average republican would vote for a flat tax, where the poorest person in South Central pays the exact same tax rate as the richest person in Bevery Hills.

c) more money going to afterschool programs and recreational facilities in the city, where the average Republican usually votes to make cuts in such venues;

Are more to blame for gang violence than conservatives who insist building more jails and giving police more power is the only answer to stopping violence? (Two things that have allready been done to great lengths since the dawn of the industrial age, only to fail repeatedly and lead to riots like we saw in 1992; Riots where, mind you, the local PD is CHASED OUT OF THEIR OWN CITY and federal troops are needed to restore peace...)

I'm sorry. No matter how much I wrap myself in my American flag, watch FoxNews, go out drinking with cops who spew racial slurs into the wee hours of the morning (sadly, some of these cops being black and latino), and think back to the, I don't know, one or two times in my life an illegal alien harmed me in any way (And we're talking about things like cutting the line in front of me at the Taqueira down the street from where I attend school), I just can't dumb myself down to think the way that you, I'm guessing, jaded cops and cop-sympathizing journos have allowed yourselves to be dumbed down to in the name of intolerance, misunderstanding, and an overload of stress.

I've tried.

I want to be like you guys, bad. You guys run the fucking country, for crying out loud. Can you blame me for at least admiring you guys in some sense? This country is obviously yours and lefty pinkos like me are just breathing in it.

But, at some point, my common sense, my consience, and my vision for what can make America a great place for people of ALL races and ALL creeds, not just upper Middle class whites, kicks in and I snap back into reality.

That reality is that we live in a fucked up country, in an even MORE fucked up world.

And, being that we are fortunate enough to not be as fucked up as the rest of the world, we can at least prevent this fucked up country from becoming more fucked up. And, if ROME taught us anything, it taught us that a class system, where the government, and all of it's branches... right down to LAW ENFORCEMENT, blames the bottom of the barrel for not working hard enough and not obeying the laws set forth while at the same time PROTECTING AND CATERING to the status quo, is doomed to fall apart.

I'm not saying a progressive country would work, I just know that an EMPIRE, which is what we are slowly becoming, WILL NOT.

I don't think Tookie's death is going to prevent ONE SINGLE KID from joining a gang. Not even some white wannabe gang banger from the burbs. It will, however, put satisfaction on the faces of those who are clearly on the side of the fence that anyone who kills should be killed themself, and, maybe, bring some kind of closure to the relatives of the victims. But from what I've learned in the few psychologhy courses I've taken, I doubt it; Even if they THINK it will bring them closure. But, then again, I haven't taken a BIBLICAL PSYCHOLOGY course yet..I've only had time to take courses where the material is backed by scientific evidence and medical findings.

I personally think Tookie's going to be granted clemency anyhow. The gov's meeting with his lawyer soon, and if you follow politics in this state you know the gov. is in no hurry to fire up the California Left again. There are far more liberals than conservatives in this state alone, (thankfully), and the gov. will have nothing to gain and plenty to lose by executing Tookie, while having nothing to lose by letting him walk.

I know that's going to just kill you guys (no pun intended), but I think even you guys know deep down inside that the gang problem in Los Angeles is bigger than Tookie Williams ever was in his entire life, regardles of rather or not he actually did come up with the catchy name, "Crips"

Anonymous said...

StillNo Script,
You are young me friend, Idealistic.
You have that luxury. You are buying in to what your profs. tell
you. I would expect no different.
It was no different for me when I
went to college.
Someday when you see how hard YOU are working and how many taxes you're paying for giveaways that don't do any good, don't make any progress, etc. etc. you will get it.
Maybe one day if one of your loved ones is a victim of one of the
"poor" who had a CHOICE, you will
get it.
Can you PLEASE explain to me why the "poor inner city folks" in New Orleans WON'T take the jobs offered them? Why are Paisas flocking there and taking the jobs?
If you can come up with a logical
explanation for that, I would be far more willing to perhaps consider your stance on the subject.
But the facts don't back you up.
The Bush administration has spent more on welfare, government programs, etc. etc. than any other
administration in history. You may be shocked to hear that, as it's not openly discussed because it's a big hush-hush among the Liberals,
BUT IT IS A FACT!!!! Check the numbers for yourself my young idealistic friend. Don't ask one of your poly-sci profs, CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.
What good has it done? NONE.
Except that in New Orleans the people were bitching and whining that the government didn't get there with the "handouts" fast enough. That's the entitled mentality of the "poor inner city folks"...as far as the LA riots and the cops having to retreat and let Federal troops restore order,
the reason for that is because the police administrators took the attitude of "hey fuck it, if they don't want us using force we'll let them see what happens". If cops
would have showed up early on at Florence/Normadie and shot a couple of thugs, the shit would have been over right there. When people see there are no consequences to their actions, they become more bold and take it to the next level. Check it out in one of your psychology courses. It's called "mob mentality".

But what I will be anxiously waiting for from you is your reply as to the phenomenon in New Orleans.
The jobs and oppurtunities are there, BUT THEY WON'T TAKE THEM.

You see my friend, IDEALISTIC AND PIE IN THE SKY NIRVANA PHILOSOPHIES ARE GREAT THEORIES...
But they are just that my friend...theories....theories that are written, spoken, and distrubuted by those who choose to ignore HARSH REALITIES...because the harsh reality is not easy to deal with psychologically.
RUN FOR MAYOR KID. YOU COULD GET ELECTED.

Anonymous said...

Hey, FUCK TOOKIE (Stanley Williams) the REMINGTON REGISTERED WEAPON he used should be DONATED to the SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTE for MURDER?

Fuck that guy. Oh yeah, he's a HERO?

"BUDDHA HEADS"???? x 3?

TO QUOTE HIS WORDS?

"I Thought the "Gurgly" sounds were FUNNY???????

oh yeah TOOK....they were FUNNY eh?

PERHAPS...."OL SPARKY" might be a MORE suitable way of WATCHING YOU!

Take your LAST GRASP of air?

You are a MURDEROUS "Knuckledragger"
formed up, by the WORST of ANIMALS.

A DOG...has BETTER worth than you.

MAYATE of the WORST kind...you will
meet your maker, condemned to hell.

Buckle up, sit tight...and wait.

Your victims, had NO CHOICE.

THE STATE NOW DISPENSES ITS JUSTICE.

When you die, SHOUT OUT your loudest
CRIES for INJUSTICE. Crimes you made
YOU ARE SO LUCKY the people NEVER...
had the SHOT to take at you. VERMIN.

You are a HETHAN.

DEATH is TOO EASY for you.....

A fiery HELL, is your JUST REWARD.

Go ahead and Laugh....YOU'RE DEAD
MAN WALKING---> ahahahahhahahaa!

Fuck you.

Don Quixote said...

Hey Mr anonymous,I have no interest in your so called educational "resume'" it only proves again that a formal education is no guarantee of "enlightenment" which according to "Websters Dictionary" is: "to give the light of fact and knowledge to; to reveal truths to; free from ignorance, prejudice,or superstition," And when you post ignorant statements like your
"now that your here tell how great Mexico is You know the place your ancestors left Evidently it was fucked up when you they left it must be better now
20 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS CANT BE WRONG"
Then you start whinning about why you are being called ignorant? And you claim your Alien comment had no relation to Mexico? Your making some pretty vague assumtions based on nothing but your own obvious prejudice.
I'll say it again for you, in your case "ignorance is bliss" and you obviously have "Mexican Phobia" some of the symtoms are; "posting weird Mexican jokes on the internet", "breaking out in a cold sweat when you hear a leafblower", "severe headaches and foaming at the mouth when a "corona beer commercial comes on TV", "locking the doors and hiding the women when the Mexican Jehova's Witnesses start towards your house", "breaking out in a rash and mumbling incoherently when the neighbors chihuahua starts barking",
Get to shrink quick, before we see you on the six o'clock news strangling a burrito!

Anonymous said...

chemistry, physics, engineering, medicine, and all the other hard sciences are degrees that come with a pedigree. the business degree is the degree of athletes and rappers, and dubya; not exactly the hardest thing to achieve. heck, my niece in tenth grade has harder courses than a college senior majoring in business.


ALSO, I CAN LOVE THIS GREAT NATION AND STILL BELIEVE RACISM EXISTS AND THAT ALL IS NOT PERFECT. YEAH I CAME FROM MEXICO, LOVE IT HERE, AND STILL SPEAK MY MIND. I GUESS BECAUSE I DIDNT STAY IN MEXICO, I SHOULD BE ON HUSH? WOULDNT THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
chemistry, physics, engineering, medicine, and all the other hard sciences are degrees that come with a pedigree. the business degree is the degree of athletes and rappers, and dubya; not exactly the hardest thing to achieve. heck, my niece in tenth grade has harder courses than a college senior majoring in business.


ALSO, I CAN LOVE THIS GREAT NATION AND STILL BELIEVE RACISM EXISTS AND THAT ALL IS NOT PERFECT. YEAH I CAME FROM MEXICO, LOVE IT HERE, AND STILL SPEAK MY MIND. I GUESS BECAUSE I DIDNT STAY IN MEXICO, I SHOULD BE ON HUSH? WOULDNT THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY?

So, will you stipulate that the U.S. is the greatest country in the world?
Will you do that?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
chemistry, physics, engineering, medicine, and all the other hard sciences are degrees that come with a pedigree. the business degree is the degree of athletes and rappers, and dubya; not exactly the hardest thing to achieve. heck, my niece in tenth grade has harder courses than a college senior majoring in business.

First, I point out to you that I have a degree after YOU assume I don't. TYPICAL. Then, you disparaging comments about my education.
I'm a CPA with a six figure salary
junior.
I've made something of myself. And I am too enlightened to make assumptions and disparaging comments about people because I don't agree with their views.

YOU show your hypocrisy when you do that.
Tell you what, let the debate team coach at YOUR prestigious university view these messages between us, and see what they tell you.
Better yet, let a psychological profiler view them and see what he/she says.

YOU'RE FUCKING HILARIOUS.

Anonymous said...

First, I point out to you that I have a degree after YOU assume I don't. TYPICAL. Then, you disparaging comments about my education.
I'm a CPA with a six figure salary
junior.
YOU show your hypocrisy when you do that.

Chale, the old timer is schooling the pee wees. That shit is funny.
The college coconuts are getting fucked up.

Anonymous said...

DonQuixote,
You're a smart man.

Too smart for those presumptive comments you're making about
that other dude.

Calm down a little. You're showing your ass.

P.S. "Showing your ass" is an OLD
pinta term for making a fool of yourself.

Anonymous said...

So, will you stipulate that the U.S. is the greatest country in the world?
Will you do that?


I CANT SAY THAT BECAUSE IVE NEVER LIVED IN THE NETHERLANDS WHICH I HEAR ARE PRETTY COOL.
BUT I WILL SAY ITS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IVE EVER LIVED IN.

Anonymous said...

And there it is my friend.
YOU SHOW YOUR TRUE COLORS.
it's rather obvious that our country is the greatest, or people wouldn't be flocking here from ALL over the world. The Chinese aren't going to the Netherlands my friend, they're coming here.

YOU'RE NOT DOWN WITH AMERICA!!!!
It's ok, you CAN admit it, IT'S OK TO BE PART OF THE BEST TEAM.

Despite what your college professors and "community leaders"
tel you. It's ok, it's TRUE.
AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH.
We're not perfect, but we're the best there is.
GET ON BOARD...YOU MIGHT LIKE IT.

That's the problem with you ingrates.

TYPICAL.

Anonymous said...

Or you could just do what an ingrate does and ignore the great things about this country...and point out the mistakes we made/make.

That's called "sour grapes".

And it's obvious that the people IN THIS COUNTRY that do that are nothing but hypocrites and ingrates.

Anonymous said...

By the way, I won't sign up for an "official" name on this blog due to security reasons...but from now on, I will I.D. myself as
"CrowHalfbreed"

You see my friend, if I wanted to be pissed at this country, I'd have FAR more justifiable reasons than you. But I'M GRATEFUL to be a citizen of the greatest country on earth. I guess it's all in how you CHOOSE to look at it.

With respect and honor
CrowHalfbreed.

Anonymous said...

whats obvious is you have no opinion of your own and parrot whatever bill o'reilly tells you to say.
you know, i wrote the post clowning the bisness degree twice then decided against it twice, finally i figured, " hey this lop is disrespecting my people" after that i lost all mercy. you kind hearted souls can be forgiving, id rather not. he was trying to clown and got clowned. a business degree dont mean nothing. you can be a successful business man without one and probably get more props than if you had one. try being a doctor without a science degree.
Don Q- i dont know why my posts keep getting attributed to you or still no script,heck i dont agree with you guys have the time. this time i do.

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript,
I'm waiting for your answer as to what's going on in New Orleans.

I truly anxiously await a reply.

I believe it's due to the welfare society making those people lazy,
ungrateful, and unwilling to work.

I might know a little something about that. You see, I've lived it with my family.

With respect,
CrowHalfbreed

Anonymous said...

i lived it too and you know what, sometimes trying to get off it is a bitch. if you get a job, suddenly you have to start paying for daycare which usually costs more than the money the kind of job people coming off of welfare can get pays

Anonymous said...

That's true, it can be a bitch. But it must be done...people must become self-reliant instead of relying on and expecting government handouts. If that cycle is NOT broken, the recipients are doomed to a life that is dictated by others. And they WILL not gain a better status in life.

CrowHalfbreed

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
whats obvious is you have no opinion of your own and parrot whatever bill o'reilly tells you to say.
you know, i wrote the post clowning the bisness degree twice then decided against it twice, finally i figured, " hey this lop is disrespecting my people" after that i lost all mercy. you kind hearted souls can be forgiving, id rather not. he was trying to clown and got clowned. a business degree dont mean nothing. you can be a successful business man without one and probably get more props than if you had one. try being a doctor without a science degree.
Don Q- i dont know why my posts keep getting attributed to you or still no script,heck i dont agree with you guys have the time. this time i do.

I wasn't "clowning your people"pal. GROW UP and quit whining. Why is it that EVERYBODY who disagrees with your views you attribute it to
clowning people...or racism.
You seem to have trouble distuingishing between somebody with a different point of view and a bigot.
I have not said one disparing word about DonQ, StillNoScript, or "your people". On the other hand, you degrade my degree after I bring it up ONLY because DonQ and StillNoScript make offensive comments about me "obviously being uneducated".......then you jump on the bandwagon.
HILARIOUS.
You guys make my point for me.
Lose a factual debate, you start the whining and degrading comments.
Who's the clown?
Show me one word where I "clowned your people". YOU'RE ON FRONT STREET NOW. Talk is cheap.
SHOW ME.

As usual, the one's SCREAMING for tolerance have none themselves.

CrowHalfbreed

Anonymous said...

" hey this lop is disrespecting my people"

SHOW ME...........Of course you did call ME a lop.

If you want respect,
LEARN TO GIVE IT FIRST.

You see my young friend who is so concerned about being "dissed" a MAN gives all people their DIGNITY....but
RESPECT is earned. Maybe all the gangbangers who shoot each other over stupid shit should learn the difference.

CrowHalfbreed

Anonymous said...

Right on Crow.
School em bro.Chale, you put their pedo out front for all to see.
Its funny to see you hand them there ass in a argument.

Stay strong.

Anonymous said...

a business degree dont mean nothing. you can be a successful business man without one and probably get more props than if you had one. try being a doctor without a science degree.

Uh huh. I can tell by writing skills that you are just the man to
point out how unimportant a degree
is.
Your spelling, punctuation and grammar are laughable (That means funny). Try a couple of Junior High
English classes in your spare time.

Who's clowned now.

CrowHalfbreed

Anonymous said...

a business degree dont mean nothing. you can be a successful business man without one and probably get more props than if you had one. try being a doctor without a science degree.

First of all, when beginning
a new sentence one should
capitalize the first letter of
the first word.

Second, it should read
"doesn't mean anything"
not "dont mean nothing".
By the way, there is an apostrophe
in don't.

Quit making our gente look stupid.

Anonymous said...

See how many many minorities have been executed in California since the death penalty was reinstated as compared to how many whites.
The proof is the pudding!!!!!!!!!!
You might be surprised as to what you find.

WHITES DON'T PULL OFF PETTY CRIMES, FOR THE MOST PART. BUT WHEN THEY COMMIT CRIMES USUALLY THE CRIMES ARE HORRENDOUS AND MAYHEM IS FAR MORE DEVASTATING. THIS CAN BE SAID FOR THE LIKES OF ADOLF HITLER, JOSEF STALIN, DATING BACK TO ATTILA THE HUN. BUSTERS ROB LIQUOR STORES, KILL THE ASIANS FOR $8.00 BUCKS IN THE PROCESS, BASICALLY STUPID SHIT. WHILE LATINOS ENGAGE BURGLARY, CAR THEFTS AND DRUG DEALING. ON A MORE POSITIVE NOTE, LATINOS WORK HARDER THAN MOST, WHITES ORGANIZE BUSINESS INFRASTRUCTURE, YET BLACKS FOR THE MOST PART MURDER OTHERS, JACK OTHER PEOPLES SHIT, RIP OFF PEOPLE WHILE USING A GUN IN THE COMMISION OF A CRIME? HOW MESSED UP IS THAT? ALL DONE IN THE NAMESAKE OF $8.00?

ASK "TOOKIE" WHY IS THAT???

I'M SURE HE CAN WRITE SOME BOOK THAT JUSTIFIES HIS CRIMES---> HE'S BLACK.
NOBODY SHOULD QUESTION THAT, HUH?

LAW OF AVERAGES MANDATE STATISTICS.
3-STRIKE CANDIDATES ARE OVERWHELMINGLY NEGRO. GO FIGURE?

I GUESS TOOKIE TAUGHT THE YOUNSTERS RIGHT? EH?

SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS ARE WRONG.
BUT ONE CANNOT DISMISS THE FACTS.

THEY SPEAK VOLUMES.

JOHN & KEN KFI AM640 MAKE SENSE.

TOOKIE MUST DIE. HE IS GOING TO A TERRIBLE PLACE SOON. GOODBYE TOOKIE

DUDE, YOU'RE DEAD MAN. BYE BYE.

COVER YOUR ASS IN FIRE....

YOU WILL NEED IT.

Anonymous said...

CROW HALF BRAIN, YOU WRITE YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS SITE AND THEN ANSWER YOUR OWN PENDEJADAS.

ARE YOU REALLY A "SECRET AGENT MAN"
OR ARE YOU AN ESCAPED LUNATIC FROM ATASCADERO

THE MEXICANS KICKED YOUR CULO BADDD!! MADE YOU LOOK LIKE THE RASCIST CLOWN YOU ARE!
NOW YOU WANT TO FUCK WITH THE MAYATES, WHO'S UP NEXT, THE CHINESE?
TAKE YOUR MEDS LOCO!

Anonymous said...

CROW HALF BRAIN, YOU WRITE YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS SITE AND THEN ANSWER YOUR OWN PENDEJADAS.

ARE YOU REALLY A "SECRET AGENT MAN"
OR ARE YOU AN ESCAPED LUNATIC FROM ATASCADERO

THE MEXICANS KICKED YOUR CULO BADDD!! MADE YOU LOOK LIKE THE RASCIST CLOWN YOU ARE!
NOW YOU WANT TO FUCK WITH THE MAYATES, WHO'S UP NEXT, THE CHINESE?
TAKE YOUR MEDS LOCO!

I find it hilarious that YOU would call ME a racist and then use the
word MAYATE in the same sentence.

Once again, you make my point for me.
Think about it. You really say some ignorant things and expose yourself when you are angry.
That's why the old timers consider it a weakness.
You're showing weakness son.

CrowHalfbreed

CrowHalfbreed said...

This should end all speculation
that I:
"answer my own pendejadas".

CrowHalfbreed said...

CROW HALF BRAIN, YOU WRITE YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS SITE AND THEN ANSWER YOUR OWN PENDEJADAS.

ARE YOU REALLY A "SECRET AGENT MAN"
OR ARE YOU AN ESCAPED LUNATIC FROM ATASCADERO

THE MEXICANS KICKED YOUR CULO BADDD!! MADE YOU LOOK LIKE THE RASCIST CLOWN YOU ARE!
NOW YOU WANT TO FUCK WITH THE MAYATES, WHO'S UP NEXT, THE CHINESE?
TAKE YOUR MEDS LOCO!

Easy now. I'll take my Geritol if you take your Seroquel and Prozac.
(look it up junior).
You my friend are obviously a HYPOCRITE... I find the use of the word "mayate" offensive.
As would any black people that read this blog.
Like I said in an earlier post,
the ones screaming the loudest
for tolerance are the ones least
likely to give it.
You're making a fool of yourself.
I'll bet DonQ and StillNoScript are
ashamed of you.

CrowHalfbreed said...

CROW HALF BRAIN, YOU WRITE YOUR OPINIONS ON THIS SITE AND THEN ANSWER YOUR OWN PENDEJADAS.

ARE YOU REALLY A "SECRET AGENT MAN"
OR ARE YOU AN ESCAPED LUNATIC FROM ATASCADERO

THE MEXICANS KICKED YOUR CULO BADDD!! MADE YOU LOOK LIKE THE RASCIST CLOWN YOU ARE!
NOW YOU WANT TO FUCK WITH THE MAYATES, WHO'S UP NEXT, THE CHINESE?
TAKE YOUR MEDS LOCO!
Now who's on front street Junior?
I went ahead and signed up with a name to dispel the disparaging
and offensive things YOU CLAIM
I do.

Will you do the same?

Talk is CHEAP, and it's easy to accuse anybody of anything in order to make yourself look good
(or in your case bad).
What about it?
Ready to come out and stand on your own and shred the veil of
"anonymous".

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript,
Most kids do join because they
think it's cool. Cool to be
know as "crazy"...and a "killer".
How do you explain the LCN's kids
following in daddys footsteps
after having EVERY oppurtunity
in the world?
Same thing, different level in the varrios and ghettos.
These kids see the gangsters with
lots of cash, cars, etc. and look at them as role models. Then Snoop
Dog and his type get the fame.
AND THEY LOOK AT IT AS COOL.
None of the so called community
leaders step up and tell them
that it's not cool...they make excuses for them.
And therein lies the problem.
When have you EVER heard Jesse
Jackson or Al Sharpton step up and renounce gangs? They won't do it.
It's done in the Hispanic communities thank God, but obviously not enough. Our part of
society that makes excuses for gangsters bad behavior and poor
choices has to wake up.
Most Italian kids don't join LCN.
Most black kids don't join the crips or bloods.
Most Hispanic kids don't join gangs.
And I'm talking about the poor ones in all cases.
It's time to quit making excuses for the ones who do in order to quit exacerbating the problem.
With respect
CrowHalfbreed

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript said
As far as cool goes, I hate to say it, but being a gangster is cool.

Really???? Why is it then that
we never hear about the
"Gang Blessed Neighborhood".
I believe the word used for it by the people who live there is
"gang infested".
Do you really think it's cool to
prey on your own people?
Do you really think it's cool to
murder and rob?
Really now. Maybe THAT EXPLAINS
where you're coming from with all this anti-government rhetoric
and "it's all the white mans fault"
attitude.
If it's so cool, why don't YOU
get jumped in and murder somebody, go to prison, then join the big homies and get put in the SHU for life.
Doesn't sound too cool to me.
Now, take a deep breath and get
ahold of yourself.
You liberals talk out of both sides of your mouth.
It's not corporate America or the
government riding on other neighborhoods in the inner city,
it's GANGSTERS of their own race.
Corporate America just want to sell shit. And that's the problem you say? That's what a Capitalist
society is. If you don't like it,
maybe you should try living in a country that isn't a Capitalist
society. See how you like it. You
might like it better than America.
I doubt it, and you do too. That's why you're still here. Now quit your bitching and whining about it.
And quit making excuses for fuckups
who take the EASY way out and give the rest of us who work and pay taxes a bad name.

Anonymous said...

HEY ALL, IM BACK AND WHAT I THINK IS HILARIOUS ARE HALFBREEDS ATTEMPTS TO BAIT ME BY CALLING ME NAMES AND INTOLERANT IN THE SAME SNETENCE. aS HE RESORTS TO ATTACKING MY SPELLING OR GRAMMAR, I KNOW IVE WON. LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT WRITING, THE FIRST LESSON IS: KNOW YOUR AUDIENCE! NOW, I COULD WRITE A TECHNICAL PAPER WITH REFERENCES AND FOOTNOTES FOR A SCIENTIFIC DEBATE IF THATS WHOM MY aUDIeNCE wAS, But its Not. Im passing some time on a blog with a bunch of other people like me who like stirrinG The Pot. That Said , i dont see a need to waste valubale time worrying about capitalization, grammar oR pUNHCHOASHUN. yOU kNOW, iM REALLY BUSY TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS wHEN iM NOT HERE bLOGGING. iF i HAVE A WEAKNESS, Its not Being able to cut You Fools Loose and jyst TCB. oH WELL, ALL WROK AND NO PLAY MAKES JACK A DULL BOY, QUE NO?

YEAH, THATS HANDING ME MY ASS

Anonymous said...

Second, it should read
"doesn't mean anything"
not "dont mean nothing".
By the way, there is an apostrophe
in don't.

Quit making our gente look stupid

" dont mean nothing" was a term used by us troops in the jungles of nam during the war. I like the term and therfore use with full knowledge about the improper uses of double negatives. I do appreciate your misguided attempts to guide me towards proper english, which it isnt neccesary. You see, I recognize the importance of speaking well as a means of furthering my career. Its a metaphorical sword in my war chest arsenal that I continously sharpen in times of peace, and wield mercilessly in times of war. im just playing with you, no need to be mean, knocking your business degree was obviousy too much for this blog. i'll be nice.

by the way, since your so big on proper writing, i'd like to rcomend the book "EATS SHOOTS AND LEAVES." ITS A GOOD BOOK ON WRITING WELL.

Anonymous said...

EGARDING MY IMPROPER USE OF THE WRITTEN WORD IN THE PREVIOUS POST, PLEASE GO BACK TWO POSTS FOR AN EXPLANATION. GRACIAS


AYY YA YAY YI

CrowHalfbreed said...

Wow. ALL CAPITAL LETTERS EVEN.

No need to raise your voice when you should be making your point.

However, let me say that I AM
impressed with your awareness
and your logic regarding
"knowing your audience" and I
stand corrected. That is a VERY
good point.
It would also appear that this
dialogue between the two of is
swathed in irony, as we both
appear to be somewhat intelligent.

I aint usually got no use for
proper wording my damn self.
I figure it's just a way for them
educated fellas to put common folks down.

Props to you.
I will ck out EATS SHOOTS AND LEAVES.

P.S. It's ok to make fun of my Business degree. A degree doesn't mean a damn thing...if the person behind it doesn't have any "smarts"
their degree is useless. Be it
Chemical Engineering, Neuro-Science, or Business.
I'm sure you know at least a couple of "educated idiots"...
hell, you keep typing to one on this blog.....but my friend, I'm sure you heard the old metaphor
"When you argue with a fool,
there's two fools arguing".

TOUCHET!!!!!!
Pronounced too-shay. Lol.
Maybe we both oughta get a life.

CrowHalfbreed said...

Wait..I just went back and checked.
That wasn't me you intended the last post for. As I never said

"quit making our gente look stupid"

That wasn't me. But props to you anyway.

It's been me and you for a few posts, so I assumed you meant the last for me. My mistake. I would never say something disrespectful
like that. I don't play that way.

Anonymous said...

P.S. It's ok to make fun of my Business degree. A degree doesn't mean a damn thing...if the person behind it doesn't have any "smarts"
their degree is useless. Be it
Chemical Engineering, Neuro-Science, or Business.
I'm sure you know at least a couple of "educated idiots"...


I agree, i know plenty of engineers, and scientists with no common sense or political saavy. your right, it doesnt matter what the degree is in, if the person behind it hasn't any smarts
"it dont mean nothing!"

well crow, its been fun, really fun.

Anonymous said...

Wow. ALL CAPITAL LETTERS EVEN.

No need to raise your voice when you should be making your point.


the caps dont imply im raising my voice, it goes back to me not regrading my audience as people who'd make an issue out of using caps

CrowHalfbreed said...

It has been fun. Looks Like the joke is both of us.

We're probably alot more alike than either one of us cares to
admit!!!!!!!!!!!

Take care and keep the faith.

Anonymous said...

Let the other shoe drop on Tookie, and let the FAMILIES grieve and get on.

This bullshit about "Books" that keep kids outta prison is pure bullshit.

He's still an ACTIVE "Shot-Caller" for the busters in the pinta. Pull the drapes, close it up afta he gets his last meal. The youngsters will be better off when his toe is tagged.

He's going to a VERY WARM place.
Cya' Tookie (STANLEY "MURDERER" WILLIAMS) can you say: "HeLL?"

Anonymous said...

lets do a poll, who thinks aaahnold will grant clemency?
i dont. if he dies, he got what he deserved.

CrowHalfbreed said...

Who knows? All I know is if he
garnts Tookie clemency, then the death penalty in California is
kinda like the speed limit...

It's the law in NAME ONLY.

Tookie fits what the death penalty
was enacted for..cold blooded killer of multiple victims.

I'll bet you don't hear any of the
Hollywood types screaming for clemency when Scott Petersons case
comes forward...AS THEY SHOULDN'T....that asshole should die toko...but Scott killed two,
and Tookie killed four...
Kinda makes you wonder where their heads at.....don't it?

CrowHalfbreed said...

You know who's funny? The people
who say the death penalty isn't
a deterrent...it's a philosophical
argument.

It's not a deterrent because we don't enact it enough. Check out
the murder rates in countries
where they execute murderers quickly and consistently after
they're convicted.

You think if they took all the convicted 1st degree murderers in
the joint and executed them tomorrow, you could get some prison
gang member to "hit" somebody the
next day?

We won't ever gonna know, cause it's not gonna happen. But the average human being isn't in to committing suicide, which is what it WOULD be if we did that.

Anonymous said...

"REDEMPTION" has 4 meanings.

TOOKIE falls unto none of the above.
To have "Redeemed" oneself...of sins,

Clearly, the FIRST STEP is admission.
Only then, can you begin the process
of redemption.

Secondly, RENOUNCE your acts as:

A. Violent
B. Murder
C. Wrong

3rd...

Ask for forgiveness, show repent...
and ABOVE ALL: "Proclaim Remorse"
for the actions that so cruel to the
victims were of unspeakable nature.

"TOOKIE" (STANLEY WILLIAMS) has done
no such soul searching, nor has he
renounced his crip affiliation by
disbanding his use of his gang name.

Someone in search of "REDEMPTION"...
as described in the fourth meaning,
before his creator, seeking TRUE...
salvation, before god....

Would be virtually handing out his
guts, heartfelt, before his victims
families, begging for forgiveness.

"TOOKIE" has done none of this.

And, I might note...that a TRULY...
WRONGED MAN....would have certainly
SCREAMED LOUD, ---> LOUDER! and ...
NEVER accepted "RESPONISIBILTY"...

If it were "TRUE" he DID NOT indeed need
"REDEMPTION"

For, How? can it be....

You seek REDEMPTION.....

IF you had NOT committed a crime??

Mr. Williams should explain that.

Redemption is virtually ONLY required, only IF you truly need it.

Think about that???

If a man cannot take his "Lumps" on
actions he has taken...

What "Good" does that man offer up?

If ANY good at all?

IS NOT an "Honorable Man" worthy of
Redemption?

I ASK YOU?

Is TOOKIE such a man?

Have the families of the victims...
NOT suffered anguish long enough?

Taxpayers "Housed" a virulent coward
heartless creature "Long Enough"?

This is not about a death penalty.

This is about "REDEMPTION"--> Right?

CrowHalfbreed said...

You are right. It all sounds good
to write childrens books and
make speeches about "don't join gangs".
Then you don't hear anything from him when Snoop Dog speaks on his behalf and invokes the "crip" name
and claims he will always be one.
The silence from Tookie is deafening on that.
A man that had truly renounced his affiliation would SCREAM FROM THE
HILLTOP that Snoop wasn't speaking for him and that Snoops message was the wrong maessage to send to kids.
But hey, that gets overlooked by the anti-death penalty folks,
simpl for one reason....their
argument is based solely on
emotion. Not logic, not the redemption OR unrepentence of the
killer...EMOTION ONLY. So they
continually come up with assinine
reasons to spare these predators lives with arguments that are based solely on EMOTION. Don't try to make sense of it brother, because it mmakes no sense. You can't present a logical argument to a person that is speaking and acting from emotion.
They would argue against the death
penalty for ANYBODY. This crap that
spew about Tookie being "redeemed"
is simply a smokescreen.
If they were just to proclaim:
"Hey, I'm just against the death penalty in any and all cases" then their argument would be null and void because the people of California have endorsed it.
So they go on these crusades and come up with smokescreen issues.
It's simply an attempt to further their argument and convince people that can't think critically and won't take the time to educate themselves on the facts to come over to their position on the issue.
It's MUCH like politics.

Anonymous said...

Those pinche mayates may never evolve; maybe that’s a good thing...
Maybe we can all laugh at the loises that tindo makes as he gets his....

Anonymous said...

THIS MAKES SENSE...ONE SENTENCE:

"You can't present a logical argument to a person that is speaking and acting from emotion."

CROW has it right.

Good job.

Anonymous said...

"HE'S GOING TO A VERY WARM PLACE"

In a very short period of time.

ANONYMOUS WRITES:

"Have the families of the victims...
NOT suffered anguish long enough?

Taxpayers "Housed" a virulent coward
heartless creature "Long Enough"?

This is not about a death penalty.

This is about "REDEMPTION"--> Right?

Lets ANALYZE THIS:

Redemption?

uuumm....nope.

A: "How about a BAD MAN going to HELL?

How MUCH REDEMPTION was given to the people lying on there backs, when the REMINGTON BLAST RIPPED through there bodies?

DID THEY HAVE REDEMPTION?

WERE THEY AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY??

Ask Tookie.

Anonymous said...

Here's something most folks
probably don't know.
Stanley Williams got the
moniker "Tookie" from the
people in his neighborhood
because he just simply
TOOK whatever he wanted.
That simple. He preyed on people
of his own race.
The you see the many so called
"community leaders" speaking out
against his execution....a man that preyed on his own, and murdered four others...and what better oppurtunity to make a
statement against predators of
that nature than to execute him?
Once again, they want it both ways!! Only this time it doesn't
look like they will get it their
way.
I certainly hope not.

TALLCHIEF said...

SO FUCKIN WHAT....HE WRITES A BOOK,GETS A NOBEL PEACE PRIZE,FINDS GOD,BUFFS UP,GETS HIS EDUCATION,TAX PAYERS PICK UP THE BILL.HELL NOOOOO!!!!,NOW BLOODS AND CRIPS SAY LET TOOKIE LIVE AND WILL TURN IN OUR WEAPONS
THATS WHY THE TERM "NIGGER" IS ASSOSIATED WITH BLACKS(IGNORANT)
THIS PIT BULL MUST BE PUT DOWN...

Anonymous said...

He didn't even write the books himself...he "co-wrote" them and then "Tookie" most of the credit.

Anonymous said...

The Animal is about now...2 minutes from meeting his maker.

Only ANIMALS get the death penalty.

His time, before his creator is now....a "DAY OF JUDGEMENT".

-How about the "Yang" FAMILY?
..........."BUDDHA HEADS?"...

-oR ---> ALBERT OWENS? --> Gurgling?

30 YEARS of CRIP VIOLENCE....

Dies now...in about 4 minutes.

JUSTICE is SERVED...

FINALLY....

Anonymous said...

Too bad it was such a humane death. They should have lit him on fire and let him burn. And maybe tied Jamie Fox to him when they did. What a nitwit that stooge is.

TALLCHIEF said...

TO BE PUT TO SLEEP,SHIT HE GOT OUT EASY...... I WON'T LOSE ONE NIGHT OF REST OVER THIS BASTARD.
THE WORLD IS A WHOLE LOT BETTER OFF
ONE LESS CRAB IN THE WORLD.

Anonymous said...

BYE tookie,,you stinky black bug...

Anonymous said...

Most people don't know this! however, Jamie Fox was backed by drug money when he frst started.

HI Fox! Tell them!

Anonymous said...

What the hell are you all talking about. Hey WE crips rule and tokkie deserves to rest in peace. GOd leave him alone or hell hunt ur ugly culos. GOd GANsTA Rules THe Whole World aNd White peeps are RACIST!!!!!!

A azn boy walks on the stage
*AZN pride*
everyone claps

black guy walks on the stage
*black pride*
everyone claps

White guy walks on the stage
*white pride*
everyone shout RACIST!!!!!

Anonymous said...

fuck you Dookie williams,,,(RIP) REST IN PISS.........

Anonymous said...

Interesting views and opinions.

I'm curious as to how many Tookie)haters even took the time to read the court documents or understand what all the fuss was about.

Okay.. lets say your mother got the shit slapped out of her.. and she demnded that you apologize or you weren't welcomed into her house. Would you apologize for something that you didn't do? (I ain't saying the man is innocent, but if he is innocent, how could he then show any remorse?

On to the FACTS: The DNA from the puddle of blood on the boots could NOT be linked to Tookie. The shotgun seized never SCIENTIFICALLY matched the bullet at the scene.

Further Facts: His witness, ALL 5 OF THEM had something to gain from the prosecution. Two of them were beaten by police in order to make them make statements.

One of them was arrested with a shotgun under his bed. You guys know where that shotgun came from, he robbed a store to get it. Not only is he a jacker, he's a felon, has the same type of gun, and he's allowed to live in return for snitch: or lying!

This America folks.. Los Angeles at that. Its a melting pot for races, he had a all white jury. That shit ain't fair, and the 9th circuit also found that the same d.a. also tampered with two other all white juries.

Guilty or Innocent, the law says we are entitled to a fair trial. Why is Charles Manson still living, Surhan Surhan, the bottomline is its okay for a black to kill blacks but when a black kills a white or asian he gets death. An eye for an eye, a life for a life. Thats not going to stop the killings.

To the other person who talked about the other leader of the Crips... that Is Jimel Barnes from the East Side Avalon Gardens. He ran with Raymond and Tookie, he is just jealous because nobody respected him because he wasn't hard. Tookie was hard.. he made all the small gangs on the west side turn crip. He bought unity like La Eme brings today. The Crips weren't doing much killing until 1979.. the year Raymond got smoked and Tookie went to jail.

If you know anything about Raymond washington he didn't allow guns in the hood, he used his hands. And to blame them for what a young crip does today is ludicrous. Should we blame what George Bush does on George Washington?

You guys need to THINk or do research before you go judging and condemning men you only heard of at the time of his execution. All you guys do is repeat what you seen on the News.. I bet you believe Christopher Columbus discovered America and Thanksgiving is a great celebration for giving thanks to one another.

-Sneaky

R2K said...

Bono is Brian Peppers!

StillNoScript said...

Anonymous said

"StillNo Script,
You are young me friend, Idealistic.


Better than being old and obedient. I mean, which of the two do you think, throughout history, has changed the world for the better?

You have that luxury.

So do you, you just don't have the courage to act on it.

You are buying in to what your profs. tell
you.


What are my profs. telling me, besides to start my scripts at the story's climax first, and then move outward? And, who's agenda are you buying into? Judging by your comment above about idealism, it's obviously a group with a conservative agenda.

I would expect no different.
It was no different for me when I
went to college.


I'm in my 30s, and only attending film school. We are obviously far different.

Someday when you see how hard YOU are working and how many taxes you're paying for giveaways that don't do any good, don't make any progress, etc. etc. you will get it.

What a baseless thing to say, and what a way to prove that you're nothing more than a right wing hack. Here I've never disclosed my line of work, and you've allready made up your mind that I'm 21 and living with my parents.

I've been in the workforce 10 years, and attend school at night after working my ass off in the day. I live in California, and have no problem with the taxes I pay.

I have no kids, so maybe THAT'S what your're reffering to. But is that my fault? Are you suggesting I should knock some fat bitch up just to have kids, to see how hard the world is? No thanks.

Maybe one day if one of your loved ones is a victim of one of the
"poor" who had a CHOICE, you will
get it.


Point well made, officer. But I was brought up to believe that if you spend your time worrying about all of the bad that can happen, you won't leave any time to enjoy the good.

And, I'll have you know that I was jumped several times growing up. I had a knife pulled on me. A gun was pulled at a party, and allthough not pointed at me, was waved around in a room I was in. I've had more shit stolen from me, likely by minorities, considering the neighborhood of the schools I went to, then I can recall. Yet, I still believe that after school programs and job training should be the focus in the inner city. I have friends who've had the same problems I did growing up, and they vote Republican today soley because of it. They want to see the Blacks and Mexicans that bullied them burn to a pulp, and their communities too. Between my politics and theirs, which do you think is the more mature, or grown up, of the two?

Can you PLEASE explain to me why the "poor inner city folks" in New Orleans WON'T take the jobs offered them?

Probably because they just couldn't picture people in Austin, Texas working manuel labor jobs, underpaid, to clean up their city after losing all of their belongings, and in the case of some, loved ones.

Why are Paisas flocking there and taking the jobs?
If you can come up with a logical
explanation for that, I would be far more willing to perhaps consider your stance on the subject.


I doubt that. And, just what is my 'stance'? To answer the question, however; Why are paisas flocking here to take jobs anywhere? Because they are willing to work for low pay and they know they'll be hired. Are Blacks the only Americans who demand something for the hard work that they do?

Answer this; Do you think this would be happening in Austin Texas? Do you think the citizens in Bush country would be left to slaving away at manual labor jobs after their entire livelihoods were washed away into the gulf?

But the facts don't back you up.

Oh shit..I have a feeling that this is where you copy and paste a paragraph from George W. Bush's 2004 campaign website...

The Bush administration has spent more on welfare, government programs, etc. etc. than any other
administration in history.


Well, that's a pretty rich point coming from someone who doesn't believe in welfare. Now that you've gone from swinging at strawmen to swinging at your own shadow, I guess I'll tell you that I don't believe in welfare either. With a healthier middle class job market, we don't need welfare; As welfare was reduced in the 1990s. It was Gingrich's idea, but it was Clinton's progressive tax code that made it work; As it has been tried and failed under flatter tax codes. Whatever Clinton was doing in between getting blown by interns, it worked. Maybe Bush needs a blow job, too?

You may be shocked to hear that,

Shocked to hear a right winger spin their way right out of their own credibility, like you just did? Not at all. It's par for the course.

as it's not openly discussed because it's a big hush-hush among the Liberals,

Oh, are we doing to start bitching about the 'hush hushes' now, or are we ready to discuss the Reagan Administration and, particularly, Oliver North's roles in L.A.s crack explosion of the 1980s? Didn't think so.

BUT IT IS A FACT!!!!

AND IT IS IRRELEVANT!!!!

Check the numbers for yourself my young idealistic friend.

And, you check the economic numbers under Clinton's presidency. I'll race ya...

Don't ask one of your poly-sci profs, CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.

My old poly-sci prof. from from a decade ago would make you cry. You think I'm giving you problems...

What good has it done? NONE.

Welfare? Agreed. Allthough, I'd have to contend that it did good during the great depression; Or, are you going to tell me that you and your family braved that too? The last Democratic president vowed to end Welfare as we know it, and I supported him then and still do. Where are you getting this idea that I'm for welfare?

You're problem is that you can not debate me on the points I've presneted, because you know these points are morally and intellectually inrefutable. So, what you do instead is create a strawman and try to morph me in with some kind of Marxist, socialist ideology, when I've said nothing in favor of it.

When you get tired of me smacking you around, try and debate me on the points I've made instead of the points you've made for me? You'll still lose, but at least this way, you won't come off as a complete coward who misrepresents other peoples points as a crutch to make your tired, Nixon era reactionism seem relevant. I'm no hippy, 'BRO'.

Except that in New Orleans the people were bitching and whining that the government didn't get there with the "handouts" fast enough.

Well, since you've taken the liberty to create a hypothetical involving a loved one of mine being harmed, in the spirit of that, we would have to wait until your family's belongings get washed into the ocean, and then on day 3 for Bush to be in Crawford playing a banjo while you and your family are wading through 20 feet of water and looting...oh, wait, are you white? I'm sorry...FINDING food to survive on, for you to to be able to make an educated opinion on the hurricane debacle. These are your rules.

That's the entitled mentality of the "poor inner city folks"...

That's human being doing what they can to survive. Again, let me know when you're in 20 feet of water with no help in site.

The entitlement these days is at the corporate level. Corporate bailouts are handed out like candy to companies that, in most cases, simply run poor businesses with product that can't sell, while people in actual need are told to suck it up and be more responsible.

as far as the LA riots and the cops having to retreat and let Federal troops restore order,
the reason for that is because the police administrators took the attitude of "hey fuck it, if they don't want us using force we'll let them see what happens".


How brave.

If cops
would have showed up early on at Florence/Normadie and shot a couple of thugs, the shit would have been over right there.


But they didn't, when they had license to do so. The cops that were there to shoot some of those thugs would have been killed immediately; So they ran for their lives. They were outnumbered. They didn't stand a chance against the rioters. That's what happens in a city founded, rooted, and built on racism and corruption.

When people see there are no consequences to their actions, they become more bold and take it to the next level. Check it out in one of your psychology courses. It's called "mob mentality".

Sure, I'll look it up, right after I look up the sworn oath of the American peace officer.

But what I will be anxiously waiting for from you is your reply as to the phenomenon in New Orleans.
The jobs and oppurtunities are there, BUT THEY WON'T TAKE THEM.


Now, I'll be waiting on your reply as to how long you think government aid would have made it to Austin Texas had a national emergency taken place there?

You see my friend, IDEALISTIC AND PIE IN THE SKY NIRVANA PHILOSOPHIES ARE GREAT THEORIES...

A progressive tax code and afterschol programs; Yeh, I'm a real Stalinist.

But they are just that my friend...theories....theories that are written, spoken, and distrubuted by those who choose to ignore HARSH REALITIES...because the harsh reality is not easy to deal with psychologically.

You're right, if the harsh reality you're reffering to is the reality that there are people as stupid as you allowed to vote.

RUN FOR MAYOR KID. YOU COULD GET ELECTED.

Sure! And you start a business, fail, and get bailed out! That way, we'll both be capitalizing on our ideology.

premo said...

i think still no script has alot of time on his hands.anyways i read a comment thats way up on the blog about the paisas going to new orleans to take the jobs that black kids wont.thats bullshit.i know cause i was actually there when the shit went down.theres these fucking contractors that get a big group of them and pay them all 2 dollars under minimum wage and get all the contracts from the city.i understand that we do need the help but there were white,black,asian,and young and old people that needed jobs cause they were sleeping in the streets and feeding there family with fucking m.r.e's cause of shit like that.the blame is actually the slime contractors that do that shit.who ever said that is ignorant and says shit when they dont really know whats going on.how dumb are you to say why wont those black kids take those jobs,well the black kids want them and so do the whites kids,but why pay them 2 dollars over minimum wage when we could hire some paisas that will do it for the cheap.fuck mayor ray nagen,fuck bush,fuck cheney,fuck governor hallie barber,fuck em all they dont care as long as they eatin good and living a comfortable life.

Anonymous said...

Fuckin Niggers, Kykes, Hebes, spics, fender heads, wops, FUCK YOU ALL DIE MOTHERFUCKERS! NLR....

Anonymous said...

Our president sniffed cocaine. He'd be dead in Singapore by now.