G-RIDE GOING UPSCALE.
You know you're doing something right if your G-ride is a Mercedes. While going through some recent documents, we came across an incident in which a Reseda SS was busted in the act of tagging a wall by undercover West Valley cops. What surprised the cops was the twenty-something tagger's ride -- a three-year-old Mercedes 320 SUV. Very clean. Freshly detailed. And not stolen. It was registered to the tagger. The giant RSS he hit the wall with exceeded the $400 threshold of misdemeanor vandalism so the Mercedes owner/tagger is facing felony vandalism. Apparently the tagger already had an I-card on file and was not a wannabe.
This incident has to tell you something about 1) The state of the economy when even local G-Sters can afford rides the average citizen cant't 2) The amount of money available on the streets or 3) Poverty may not be a significant causal component of illegal activity. Take your pick. I'm confused.
Saturday, April 21, 2007
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 250 of 250To the "Great Chicano Sellout",
Good Luck debating Don Quackers, he has never been wrong on any subject. He will also say you are the same blog falso who posted every post telling him he is a crazy racist. That is his best defense so far, he seems to think only one person can possibly disagree with his stupid comments. He has been attacking anonymous people on this blog for years. I'm not sure how many people Don Quackers has drove off, or whether he keeps it going by attracting new opponents.
Jethro
I finally got back on line with something other then dial up and glad to see some interesting topics going on here in Wally's World.
My question to the "pro" cop crowd is, "is there ever a time when the police may be wrong"? As I sat and watched the stories on the news my 60 years plus parents watched and even my father who is the more conservative of the two was saying what the hell are the cops doing.
I don't think most of it had to do with the cops being racist cause like someone pointed out a lot of them were probably Mexican etc. but it's a certain mentality that cops have in general, especially the one's right out of the USMC. Yea sure some of the black cald punk rockers/anarchist were probably throwing shit at the cops and yes I'm sure some people didn't move as fast as they should have but the police are trained to deal with those types of situations with out beating people's asses and firing rubber bullets. Normally the chief of police will come out and say we need to hear all the facts etc. but in this case he pretty much came out and said what happened was fucked up.
In other news I'm in San Jose now, still trying to figure out what's what. Took the kids to a nice neighbor hood park and saw some SLB X3 tagged in a couple areas, looks like the SUR is in the area. So far I've noticed the whole black culture is way more of a influence on the local kids at least in my area, white and latino.
OC HALF BREED!
Still afraid of giving yourself a handle huh? Well your the one giving yourself the handle "The Great Chicano Sellout", but if I may suggest just "The Chicano Sellout" that'll do fine cause there's nothing "Great" about a sellout.
Permit me to address your rather weak arguments that are based on emotional reactions and not reality.
"Chicano Sellouts" point,
quote from dq, "Sponge? Sponge on our hospitality? The vast majority of immigrants I have known and witnessed, work like animals and are family oriented religious people who through hard work and frugallity"
response from Chicano Sellout,[One “l” in frugality. So, nominate them for sainthood or something but don’t make the weak argument that because they’re hardworking – like your parents and mine were – that that constitutes immediate and automatic qualification for citizenship) make it and thrive here despite the contempt and phoney "laws are being violated!" attitudes of many (so fuck the laws that we don’t agree with, is that it Mister."
I don't think I was making an argument for automatic citizenship, that's every legal immigrants decision to make after they become "legalized" which I do support for all who have worked here for years paying taxes and staying out of serious trouble.
Laws? Shit laws have no power to stop people from wanting to feed thier families and make a better life for them. You and I would do the same thing (cross illegally and work for shit wages),if it was our childrens lives and future at stake, I applaud anyone who would suffer all the indignities and humiliations, for their childrens sake. Laws don't mean shit and never have when the stakes are that high.
And for the arguement of the sanctity of "Laws". In our history there have been many "Laws" that were complete bullshit and enforced only to keep people in there place (the JIm Crow laws used for racism and segregation against "non white" peoples).
Laws against organizing a union, laws against going on strike for better living conditions, laws against living in certain areas if your not a "white person", laws against women having a job with equal pay, laws against voting if you didn't read or have the money for a poll tax, laws against dressing a certain way, laws against having sex in your own home if it wasn't approved by the local church, laws against drinking alchohol, laws against smoking yesca, laws against purchasing medicines in another country, laws against marrying a person of another race, and finally laws that prohibit people from working or living in this country without proper paperwork that could take years to aquire.
What I'm trying to make clear to you "Chicano Sellout" is that unless "laws" are enforcable and reflect the moral highground of public and human decency, then those laws will be ignored, which along with a Corporate hunger and greed for cheap and unprotected labor, is why there are 12 million(?) undocumented workers in this country at the moment.
Chicano Sellout's argument number
2.
Most foreigners claim to desire to be American citizens yet they badmouth the U.S. and claim their love for their mother country. Some country's would call such an attitude treason. I call it
ingratitude. How dare you cross our borders (illegally), enjoy our hospitality and resources (at
the expense of our taxpayers), wave your native country's flags (while demanding citizenship!),
and then spewing slogans of "racism" and "police brutality" (after your radicals incite violent
confrontations)."
Very weak, unfounded, non-scientific, false and emotionally hysterical claims.(Treason?) I and as reported by the press and most eyewitness's saw many more US Flags than foreign flags.
ANd as far as the brutallity and over reaction of the goon squad dingbats from the LAPD, well the Mayor, the Police Chief, the media and press, eyewitness's too numerous to mention, video and radio reports,. All are condemning the LAPD at the march for thier unproffesional manner of attacking innocent people including the firing of over 250 rubber projectiles at peaceful participants and people enjoying the day at the park.
I would think that no matter what a persons legal status is that it doesn't give anyone the right to violate their human rights, and that if a person is brutalized and suffers idignities and injury's by police gone beserk, then they should not be expected to just shut up and take it.
ANd what is this "Your radicals incite crap? That's another bullshit attempt to smear people who were marching peacefully in the park.
Let's see the proof "Chicano Sellout", so far I haven't seen shit and the old ploy of painting everone with the "radical, commie, anarchist,red, brush has fallen flat on it's face.
More hysterics and non issues from "Chicano Sellout"
3. It's like shooting heroin in public!
Mexican drugs here are the fault of the Gringo's!
Feeling sorry for the Bank Robbers children!
Driving 100 miles an hour on the interstate!
Go back to your Mexico Lindo y Querido! ( it's not mine "Chicano Sellout", I was born in LA Calif,)
Point is hysteric's and emotional knashing of the teeth isn't going to solve anything and may create more "righteous indignant" violence on innocent immigrants whose only crime is wanting to better their lives.
SOmething is not working with our immigration laws and it might be that the laws are unrealistic and unenforceable, so far history has backed that up!
ANd finally a telling (Chicano sellout is very applicable) yet incorrect historical version of the "Battle of the ALamo",
"Even the Texicans (Mexicans residing in Texas who fought bravely in the Alamo against Santa Ana's Mexican forces) preferred to be governed by the U.S. than the treacherous Mexican government."
Hey "Chicano Sellout" didn't the Gringos at the Alamo want to create an independent country of Texas? I seem to remember the creation of the "Lone Star Texas Republic" with a flag no less, Not the "Stars and Stripes", after the sellout of the Mexicans who welcomed the Gringos to become Mexican citizens.
Yea once a sellout always a vendido and a hysterical vendidio at that.
dq
The Night of the Long Knives::The Night of the Long Knives, in June 1934, saw the wiping out of the SA's leadership and others who had angered Hitler in the recent past in Nazi Germany.
The day of the long batons, May 1, 2007 saw the uncalled for beating of the media and peaceful marchers who had angered the LAPD in the recent past.
Looting suspects arrested in storm-ravaged Kansas town
GREENSBURG, Kansas (AP) -- Four soldiers and a reserve police officer were arrested Sunday on suspicion of looting cigarettes and alcohol from a store in this tornado-ravaged town, state officials said...
These were people who weren't supposed to be there," Bunting said...
Watson said the five were in uniform, so police allowed them to come and go freely despite a town curfew. She said the officer was from a central Kansas community, but she was not sure which town.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/06/tornadoes.looting.ap/index.html
I used to love guys in uniform!
This guy is the biggest joke on this blog. How can you call yourself a Chicano and be against undocumented Mexicans?
Even an educated white guy would look at you stupid.
That guy was correct, either your a coconut or a typical racist white guy. :)
An insightful note on the immigration issue:
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=68576&type=3&page=5
More of the same:
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/content/detail.asp?ID=68399&type=3&page=6
Anonymous said...
You must be one of these Chicano racists, who blames anyone with pale skin and blue eyes for his woes
Does he do that? Or is he just pointing out wrongs committed throughout history by Whites?
One could easily say that you must be one of those Chicanos that blames Chicanos themselves for not being good enough to be accepted by Whites.
Oh, let me guess, you're still waiting for Pancho Villa to resurrect and fight your battles for you.
Just so you know, YOU are the one bringing Pancho Villa and left wing Chicano politics into this, not anyone else. And you're doing so in response to people merely pointing out that what the LAPD did was illegal, no matter how you cut it. I find your debating strategy of raising names of Mexican revolutionaries and putting them into the mouths of those who disagree with you to be interesting. Why not debate the points?
It's your right to march on City Hall and seek to open the floodgates for an indefinite flow of "illegal immigrants" to sponge on our hospitality.
Is that what they were protesting? Is that their motives, to sponge on the hospitalities of documented American citizens? Were any of them carrying signs that said, "Let's sponge on the hospitalities reserved for whites!!!"?
It's my right to disagree.
You're doing a lot more than disagreeing. You're also putting words into peoples' mouths and attempting to take this debate to a level that you can easier win than the level of the legality of the officers' behavior, in which there is no debate. IT was illegal, and on tape. So, in light of that disadvantage, you're trying to make this debate about extreme left wing Chicano activists vs. mainstream, U.S. patriotic Chicanos, in order to make those who question the LAPD's tactics as anti american and criminal sympathetic. The criminals in this instance are the cops. And you're the one sympathizing with them.
If standing up for what's right and correct in our society makes me a "sellout", then I'm proud to be a "sellout". That rhetoric doesn't change a thing.
Except that you're not standing up for "what's right". You're standing up for criminal police behavior.
Wow. Strong stuff to be living an "oppressed" life in a white man's world.
A White man's world means that the majority of wealth and land in the western, free world belong to Whites. Is this incorrect?
Hey, some of my best friends are white boys. (poking fun at you but very true)
I don't care who your friends are. And, you're in no position to make fun of me. I'm the one debating you head on over the issues, you're the one dancing all over the ring and trying to change the topic of the debate to the failed efforts of Mexican revolutionaries. This is about police fucking up; American police. Every other point brought into this conversation was by people like you trying to distract us from that topic.
There are many folks who are overjoyed that the LAPD crossed the line in this May 1st situation.
I'm sure there were plenty in the Georgia back woods. But if they represented the majority, you can rest assure that Chief Bratton wouldn't be taking the actions that he is.
You seem to equate being a police officer with being "a white man".
Let me know when any other ethnicity makes up for the majority of all LE agencies in America, and when any other ethnicity makes up for the majority of campaign contributers that get police chiefs elected.
So every cop must be pretty vile in your view?
Just the ones who break the law.
Is being a white man a bad thing?
No. Is being a proud Chicano a bad thing, even one who believes that racism still exists? Is being a white person who agrees with such a sentiment a bad thing? If so, why?
You must be a non-white person yourself then? Maybe experienced much trauma in your childhood? Sorry to hear that.
Given such a logic, would this also explain your indifferences with proud barrio Chicanos?
My comment had nothing to do with your polls, guy. If you check out my comment, I'm referring to family members sitting around the family "campfire" and (QUOTE)
While we are on the subject, most Chicanos in L.A. that I know (all my family members included) pretty much agree that illegal aliens are just that: illegal and don't belong here.
My mentioning of the polls was not to refute your claim that the majority of your family has little to no compassion for people coming back to a land that they were forced from generations ago, trust me, I believe you (the apple obviously didn't fall far from the tree). I was demonstrating that the majority of Mexican Americans in this country are sympathetic to the Mexican immigrants' cause. Which raises the question; Why should anyone give a shit what you and your family think?
http://www.gangrule.com/gallery/mugshots.html
Italian mafia mug pictures. How abouts invitin' these happy smilin Joe's to your next party or cocktail mixer ehh?
To The Great Chicano Sellout, get your history right. The Tejanos that fought in the Alamo against Santa Ana's troops were not fighting to join any American government. They were fighting to break off from Mexico and become independent. It was not until a few years later that the US annexed Texas. That in turn started the Mexican~American war in which most Tejanos fought on the Mexican side.
But history aside your take on the undocumented migrants is wrong. You seem to think that people risk their lives to come here simply to collect welfare. That's not how it works.
What DQ says is true the US government has always contributed to the flow of immigration by never really addressing the southern border. Our government knows the true value of undocumented workers and therefore never truly works to eliminate the problem. Sometimes the government even puts into place plans and treaties that they know will add to this problem (NAFTA).
To have love for ones heritage and country of origin when not residing in it is not treason, and does not mean that they can not also love this country. At the beginning of the Iraq war there were about 35,000 undocumented soldiers in the US forces showing all of us just how much they do love our country. I don't know how they were allowed into our armed forces but I'm sure that the Pentagon is happy to have them. I can bet you that if any undocumented English speaking high school graduate that wished to enlist were allowed to do so, that our armed forces would exceed their recuiting goals in a heartbeat.
" the notion that hardworking people can DEMAND automatic citizenship is ludicrous."
This is not what the undocumented are asking for. Nobody has ever asked for automatic citizenship as you state. What is being asked for is a fair and comprehensive immigration law that will allow most to resolve their immigration status. It is true that they broke the law (a misdemeanor) by coming across the border illegally, or by over staying their visas. But this fact alone should not stand in the way of allowing them a chance to fix their status. Most have been here for many years, they have worked and payed taxes. Many have US born children and contrary to what you think they don't ask for government hand outs.
I guess that what you would like to see is every single undocumented person deported. But with so many of them already here that is pretty much impossible. The only logical solution is the one that people like you don't like.
It seems crazy to me how you can show so much contempt for your own breathren. I can understand it that White people would feel that way about the undocumented, but I am unable to understand it coming from any RAZA. Do people like you really think that the S.O.S crowd differentiates between legal and "illegal" Brown people? Fuck no! Don't fool yourself, they hate all Brown people. If you don't believe it take a look at the videos that they themselves put up on youtube. See how they dis all RAZA, not just the undocumented.
Don't get it twisted Mr.Sellout, no matter how many generations your family line can be traced back to this land. To the S.O.S crowd you are still just another wetback.
ALRATO
SV VBS
"Werewolf meets the both the Italian Mafia and Dan Mathews" 1958. Fimed in Pasta Vision
Yes, it's a mad scramble to the center table as a hungry Werewolf and the entire New York Italian Mafia breaking fast, log jam shoulder to shoulder at the entrance to 'A Little Slice of Italy' on 45th. Zinging bullets-chairs flyin'-untying shoelaces-arterie and arm bitting-head ripping-and the famous ol' trusty 'two mens arm's in a overcoat' spin em' and sock em' human spin wheel. Dan's quick action saves the day as Dan comes up with a desperate plan as he goes in through the back, disarms everyone and makes everyone exchange trousers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo6z13ERX-I
The above was made especialy for our cholo spokesman Sr. Don Quixler, I know how he loves to refer to people of the African American race - mayates. I understand mayates means some kind of june bug or some other endearing term. So Don Quixler check out this DeLaHoya video I made just for you.
El Chavo de 8
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Pelican Bay State Prison Maximum Security 3
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu_BC6M5aNU&mode=related&search=
Don't call me out of my name. As a chamaco it was Culote Loco. Now that I'm triple OG, its Don Culote, not Don Quackers, not Don Camel Toe, or anything else.
Con Respecto,
DC
The Great Sellout's answer to
StillnoScript:
Does he (referring to Don Q) do that? (blame anyone with pale skin and blue eyes for his woes) Or is he just pointing out wrongs committed throughout history by Whites?
[The “blame” game only perpetuates a racist atmosphere. Reverse racism accomplishes nothing either. We have our share of racists in our own back yard (Mexican-Americans I’m speaking of). How many times have we (you would not be privy to this SNS so a response from you would only be speculation) not only badmouthed other razas but derisively refer to Mexican nationals (legal or illegal) as “pinchi mojados”? We do this all the time and we create a natural separation from them UNTIL they assimilate. Ask your bosom buddy Don Quixote (and if you state otherwise, DQ, you are an ancient Chicano fibber and may the ghost of Pancho Villa invade your sleep!). In fairness, I would think this is true with any foreigners, be they Arab (“camel jockey”), Aisans (“pinchi Chinos”), etc.
One could easily say that you must be one of those Chicanos that blames Chicanos themselves for not being good enough to be accepted by Whites.
[I believe in not crying about injustices and doing something about it such as educating oneself and leading by example! The blacks are notorious for bitching and moaning about 400 years of slavery (ad nauseum)]
Just so you know, YOU are the one bringing Pancho Villa and left wing Chicano politics into this, not anyone else.
[LOL …God forbid. It appears that the mere mention of left wing politics strikes a familiar – and sensitive chord. The left wing Chicano radicals know EXACTLY what I mean, SNS. When “community activists” become left wing agitators (advocating violent confrontations), this becomes part of the equation. I for one am not as concerned about a relatively minor confrontation with LAPD (who obviously were wrong in their handling of this particular situation) than with the issue of illegal immigration and how they attempt to make us (the American people) feel like we’re wrong in our handling of their problem.]
I find your debating strategy of raising names of Mexican revolutionaries and putting them into the mouths of those who disagree with you to be interesting. Why not debate the points?
[I wasn’t aware I was engineering a “debating strategy”, SNS, by resurrecting my old heroes and “putting them into the mouths of those who disagree”. We can definitely disagree. You have your points to make and I have mine. Stick to the points yourself and don’t worry about characterizing my flamboyant writing style.]
Is that what they were protesting? Is that their motives, to sponge on the hospitalities of documented American citizens? Were any of them carrying signs that said, "Let's sponge on the hospitalities reserved for whites!!!"?
[Hmmm, not a good comeback, SNS. But allow me to articulate this in a manner that you might better comprehend: The good people who were marching for “immigration reform”, in my humble view, are attempting to SPONGE on the resources and the hospitality extended to them by their American neighbors. No, SNS, no one was carrying a sign that said, “let’s sponge on the hospitalities reserved for whites” (you, SNS, transposed the word “whites!!!”). And no one was carrying a sign that read: “I am a Mexican national who despises America but wishes to avail myself of their resources so I can bring heroin and cocaine, oops, I mean, so I can feed my family”. Now you get it? My project for you and Don Q (the man with all the answers) is to play the devil’s advocate for a moment. Name some good reasons why we should tighten the lid on illegal immigration. I will await your response with great anticipation.]
You're doing a lot more than disagreeing. You're also putting words into peoples' mouths and attempting to take this debate to a level that you can easier win than the level of the legality of the officers' behavior, in which there is no debate.
[Oops. I thought we were talking about illegal immigration. You’re still obsessed with LAPD’s behavior. I thought it was already settled that they screwed up and that the offenders were going to be strung up at High Noon? Are you still upset about the Japanese internment? Or, let me guess, 400 years of slavery. If so, I can now begin to fathom the degree of resentment that exists in your heart.]
Except that you're not standing up for "what's right". You're standing up for criminal police behavior.
[Yo, the cops are gone. The Mayor and Chief have spoken. You’re still having those flashbacks! There’s no place like home, Dorothy]
A White man's world means that the majority of wealth and land in the western, free world belong to Whites. Is this incorrect?
[So write a pinchi script, make some money, and join the anti-immigration crowd. Then go on Larry King and proclaim that you are NOT white and you made it to the proverbial mountaintop, looked around, and could not find Don Quixote there because he was too busy driving cross country with a big joint dangling from his fingertips. Oops, that means you would be called a Vendido (Sellout) and God forbid that one would dare antagonize the Zapatistas and Villistas of the world.]
I don't care who your friends are. And, you're in no position to make fun of me. I'm the one debating you head on over the issues, you're the one dancing all over the ring and trying to change the topic of the debate to the failed efforts of Mexican revolutionaries.
[You mean I can’t “float like a butterfly and sting like a bee”. You are the one debating me over the issues. Friend, I doubt that you would recognize an issue if it bit you on the culo (with apologies to Don Q).]
This is about police fucking up; American police. Every other point brought into this conversation was by people like you trying to distract us from “that” topic.
[Yo, my initial rant was about “illegal immigration”. Wake up! Now you sound like my ex-wife .... like a broken record. We must find out what LAPD did to you SNS. You have overplayed the “I-Hate-LAPD-with-a-passion” card.]
So every cop must be pretty vile in your view?
Just the ones who break the law.
[So let’s have some intelligent dialogue about some cops who you don’t hate]
No. Is being a proud Chicano a bad thing, even one who believes that racism still exists? Is being a white person who agrees with such a sentiment a bad thing? If so, why?
[You answered a question with a question. No matter, this is hardly Nixon vs. JFK (by the way, they were both semantical experts). Many Chicanos indeed believe that racism exists but it exists with ALL ethnic groups]
The Great Sellout: "You must be a non-white person yourself then? Maybe experienced much trauma in your childhood? Sorry to hear that."
SNS: Given such a logic, would this also explain your indifferences with proud barrio Chicanos?
[….and your answer is …. ??]
My mentioning of the polls was not to refute your claim that the majority of your family has little to no compassion for people coming back to a land that they were forced from generations ago, trust me, I believe you (the apple obviously didn't fall far from the tree).
[LOL … Is this what it’s all about, then, SNS: “people coming back to a land that they were forced from generations ago”? If so, I rest my case. The prism from which you view life is highly biased from jump street. That’s ok. I know alcoholics who experience similar delusions. But for me to “debate” with a delusional one is like talking to the wall.]
Which raises the question; Why should anyone give a shit what you and your family think?
[Ahh, a low blow, SNS. my huevos ache. But my answer to the question you raised goes like this: I don’t give a shit if you give a shit or not to what my family and I think. But I have no problem “sharing” with those who just might.]
Muchos Garcias to In The Cachucha
The Great Sellout
The Great Chicano Sellout said …
(in answer to Don Quixote)
Still afraid of giving yourself a handle huh? Well your the one giving yourself the handle "The Great Chicano Sellout", but if I may suggest just "The Chicano Sellout" that'll do fine cause there's nothing "Great" about a sellout.
[It’s a “mock handle” in response to your “challenge” (identify yourself for the record, sir!) So now that you have something/someone to identify, The Great Chicano Sellout should suffice notwithstanding your disapproval of the term “Great”.]
Permit me to address your rather weak arguments that are based on emotional reactions and not reality.
[Gee, I assumed that even weak arguments were welcomed on In The Hat? Does this mean that your arguments are the only arguments with merit?]
I don't think I was making an argument for automatic citizenship, that's every legal immigrants decision to make after they become "legalized" which I do support for all who have worked here for years paying taxes and staying out of serious trouble.
[You don’t think you were making an argument for automatic citizenship for illegals? Then what exactly is your argument? Respect? A clean bus for those being sent back to their country of origin? The question is: What do we do to prevent and discourage people from ANY foreign country to cross our borders illegally? Can I get an amen from the venerable DQ on that one?]
Laws? Shit laws have no power to stop people from wanting to feed their families and make a better life for them. You and I would do the same thing (cross illegally and work for shit wages),if it was our childrens lives and future at stake, I applaud anyone who would suffer all the indignities and humiliations, for their childrens sake. Laws don't mean shit and never have when the stakes are that high.
[Very sound argument that I cannot disagree with. The good people can be weeded out, one hopes, from the nonproductive. But, by giving a large group amnesty (again), how do we deter/prevent the next wave of illegals from “overloading” our country’s resources? Along with the wave of illegal immigrants comes the never ending influx of future gang members and future drug dealers. Yes, we already have a gang problem with our “home grown” gangsters; yes, we already have a drug problem in America. But do we allow a continuous introduction of this element into our country under the guise of “hardworking people who only wish to feed their families”? I’m not even inferring that the majority are NOT well-intentioned. I’m arguing that it’s at the expense of a greater criminal element.]
I’m trying to make clear to you "Chicano Sellout" is that unless "laws" are enforceable and reflect the moral highground of public and human decency, then those laws will be ignored, which along with a Corporate hunger and greed for cheap and unprotected labor, is why there are 12 million(?) undocumented workers in this country at the moment.
[What you are saying then is that we should be allowed to break any law that is unenforceable and creates a “loophole”. That we can find sympathy for “loopholes” that can sustain a good argument such as, “feeding one’s family”, even if it’s detrimental to us on another front (such as granting a haven for drug dealers).]
Very weak, unfounded, non-scientific, false and emotionally hysterical claims.(Treason?) I and as reported by the press and most eyewitness's saw many more US Flags than foreign flags.
[You and SNS are obviously smoking the same pipe. How can my assertion be “weak, unfounded, non-scientific, false and emotionally hysterical" when I hear it almost everyday in Boyle Heights from Mexican and –other immigrants, both legal and illegal? I’m not referring to anyone flying Mexican flags at any rally (activists had already admonished against this). I’m referring to an attitude that exists in our barrios.]
As far as the brutallity and over reaction of the goon squad dingbats from the LAPD, well the Mayor, the Police Chief, the media and press, eyewitness's too numerous to mention, video and radio reports,. All are condemning the LAPD at the march for thier unproffesional manner of attacking innocent people including the firing of over 250 rubber projectiles at peaceful participants and people enjoying the day at the park.
[Done deal. They will be dealt with]
"3. It's like shooting heroin in public!"
Mexican drugs here are the fault of the Gringo's!
[You just crossed over into “Fantasyland”. Blame the Gringo for all our woes! According to you, the white man is the author and mastermind of their woes. If that isn't a racist conclusion, then I don't know what is.]
"Go back to your Mexico Lindo y Querido!"
(it's not mine "Chicano Sellout", I was born in LA Calif,)
[Then act like you were born in U.S. of A.]
SOmething is not working with our immigration laws and it might be that the laws are unrealistic and unenforceable, so far history has backed that up!
[It is obviously unrealistic to seek to deport the existing mass of illegal immigrants in this country. So, what do we do? We begin, in my opinion, by securing our borders. We send an unmistakable message to others that there is an orderly, legal and traceable manner in which to gain entry into our country that has nothing to do with racism or hatred.]
Hey "Chicano Sellout" didn't the Gringos at the Alamo want to create an independent country of Texas?
[They did not want to be governed by Mexico is the point Chicano Sellout was making]
Yea once a sellout always a vendido and a hysterical vendidio at that.
[Thank you, DQ, for your approval. Your comments - old and current - are likewise a source of amusement to many at In The Hat.]
Wallista's search for fellow dysfunctional family memeber:
Hey Gava Joe! you out there in the dangerous Kansas badlands still alive?
Yesterday we saw the total destruction of communities in Kansas by a shitload of tornadoes in a sort of 'biblical" manner of chaos.
Today we see the news of life threatening floods and massive rains that are threatening to break levees.
What next the plague?
And in a case of "you voted for him, stupid" there are practically no "National Guard Troops" to help with the disaster cause they are all in Iraq or the Mideast for the 3rd or 4th time.
ANd we see on the national news that not only are there no soldiers but no equiptment to help clean up and search for survivors or prevent flooding if the levees don't hold.
NOthing but one old jeep and a few WW2 vintage tanks because they are all in Iraq too.
Get out of there GJ, it's a dangerous place! Come on out to California where you belong. Yea we have gang murders, fires, earthquakes, and police brutality, but we also have strenth in numbers.
Besides deer hunting and tornado chasing and sitting around on a Summer night watching the corn grow, what the hell else is there to do in Kansas?
Remember in the old "Wizard of OZ" movie how Kansas was in black and white but over the rainbow was in Technicolor?
Well what the hell does that tell you?
Get back to Califas where there is an Ocean, Mountains much higher than your typical Kansas grain silo, and some cultural amenities that are far superior than your "Kansas barn raising" and group quilting for the 4H club.
Shit Joe you could even lose that country twang and the Copenhagen snuff habit which includes all the spitting and brown teeth, the round circle the can makes on your ass in those too tight, pressed and creased, wrangler jeans.
Save yourself and your family GJ!
Concerned Wallista's
To OC Half Breed,
Cops fuck up all the time. So does every human being on the planet. Dispersing a crowd with force is like a football game. You aren't going to do the exact right thing, use the exact right amount of force on each protestor, or make the exact right decision on who to use force on every time. That's true in evry war that's ever been fought also. Just like a football game, one team can blow the other one out, but they make the right call, and run the play perfectly, every single play. people want to nit-pick and say how the team could have done it better, even if they win. It's human nature. The bottom line is, did the cops have the right by law (and LAPD policy)
to use force to disperse the crowd.
Perhaps a little recent history will put this in perspective.
During the DNC a few years back, I saw video clips of cops doing shit that made MacArthur Park look tame. They had cops on horses running people over and trampling them, then smacking them with nightsticks when they finally got back up, shooting rubber bullets like crazy into the crowd, taking flashlights to people, using tear gas on the crowd, and generally beating people down much worse than what I saw at MacArthur Park.
Hmmmm, wonder why this one is soooo
different than that one.
Could it be that the media was involved so much?
I'd bet on it.
A farmer is found beaten to death. Dan learns that a mental patient has escaped from the Metropolitan state hospital and has been seen in the area of the murder. The LAPD Elite Unit feels it has an insane killer on the loose, and the man flees initial roadblocks as evidence builds against him. Local hysteria grows until Dan Mathews actually finds himself forced to protect the suspected killer. In the final scenes, his policy of not jumping to conclusions pays off (something the LAPD can learn ).
Clarence the mental patient is played by Bill Handel (of KFI).
I think many of you mensos mut not read comments unless the poster is your buddy.
The YouTube story (5 parts) about Pelican Bay was recently posted twice.
There is a recent post with a web-site posted with the actual police radio police calls from May 1.
Also posted is a link to a YouTube video in which you can hear and see the police helicopter telling people to leave the park several times. Yes some police use their billy club when they did not have to, but how many times do you have to tell somebody to move your ass?
And I wish I could smell Menudo in the morning, but I all I smell is a bag of corn flakes. Pinche modern wife who does not cook.
Anony-Mouse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coqKGHoCtYA
Don Q. I agree with the things you say, check out the video above. To see what I mean.
Che Guevara
Whoever the ELA "coconut" sellout pendejo, family included vato was, I guess he took a serious ass kicking from almost half the blog. I have never encountered a vato walking on the calles of either LA City or County side of East Los and blab Mr. Sellout's masa non-sense. He would not last a day without a good beat down from the abuelitas and abuelos.
Just another racist white boy poser. :)
Here's an NPR link to an immigrant success story that really is amazing in that this guy made it to Harvard BEFORE he got naturalized. You have to love this country...
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10013111
http://lapdblog.typepad.com/lapd_blog/2007/05/chief_bratton_b.html
Don Quixler you should go the lapd-blog site above and put these fools cops on blast. Tell these racist cops we don't buy there shit. A guy with your writing skills can put these estupidos down a notch.
Alrato Vatos Locos
Jim you sly devil you. You in the biz grapevine or what?
Werewolf meets the Mafia 1958! A classic genre film, and if you didn't notice this was the inspiration for the SOpranos own Christopher Multisanti's and NY's Carmine production of "Cleaver".
THe Cleaver film is just a cover of "The Werewolf meets the Mafia" film but I predict it will make millions of dollars for "friends of ours".
As the Soprano series winds down we will find "Christopher" (the driving force behind "Cleaver" dead, TOny Soprano and Carmine on the beach in Malibu discussing "Cleaver Part Two" with producer and director "Rob Zombie", and screen writer and famous author "Tony Rafael", who is also lying low due to west coast MM pressure to pay tax on his mega hit book "The Mexican Mafia".
Rafael has convinced the major players involved in "Cleaver Part 2" to move the Production to the west coast and to use the Mexican Mafia as foils in this next Horror classic.
The buzz in the industry is that it's summer 09 release will break all records for ticket sales and enable the "Two Tony's" to purchase the island of San Clemente from the Federal Govt and to make it a sin capital that would rival Monaco or Macao.
dq
Despensa to everyone, I made a mistake on my last post. I wrongly stated that "At the beginning of the Iraq war there were about 35,000 undocumented soldiers in the US forces". What I should have said was that these troops were non~citizens.
Once again Despensa.
ALRATO
SV VBS
"Cops fuck up all the time. So does every human being on the planet. Dispersing a crowd with force is like a football game. You aren't going to do the exact right thing, use the exact right amount of force on each protestor, or make the exact right decision on who to use force on every time."
Yes, sometimes a good cop might make an error.
...Then there's groups of cops who just form a truncheon line, fire off 150 sandbag rounds (without a single arrest!), beat up media, and otherwise completely ignore the law they are sworn to uphold.
You are talking about a single mistake, what the video shows is a police riot. LAPD apologists need to work harder than that to explain this one away. This is a big, bad deal, and you can't wish it away.
Cyclonic Joe responds:
"Hey Gava Joe! you out there in the dangerous Kansas badlands still alive?
Yesterday we saw the total destruction of communities in Kansas by a shitload of tornadoes in a sort of 'biblical" manner of chaos.
Today we see the news of life threatening floods and massive rains that are threatening to break levees.
What next the plague?"
Yup it was a shitstorm folks! Had one of those twisting devils not 75 yards from my house. I was down in my "cave", the ol lady gives me shit, but yeah it's a little like the "cell" she calls it, but it's got plasma TV and a fridge fulla mix and bewskis. Shee-it I was cueing up Last King of Scotland on the DVD when I went to adjust the surround sound thinking it was WAY too high volume, and there it fucking was! 25 yrs and I missed my first close-call KS tornado! It did'nt sound anything like the "freight train" you hear described, it was more like a high pressure toilet getting flushed, like they have in LAX.. So I puts down my cocktail and go upstairs, my bulldog is freaked, and the town's sirens get to blowing AFTER THE FACT! Outside that sucker took a hundred yr old oak tree and split it right down the middle. I had a shitload of deadwood lying in the yard from my trees. I figure I saved a few hundred bucks not havin to call the tree trimmers this year. I won't say it wasn't exciting. Kind of puts you in touch with your place in the universe. You really aint shit!!
But Greensburg, that's a different story. That twister was almost 2 miles wide and stayed on the ground. Our's touched down and went back up in the cloud over and over. There's was judged "EF 5" the strongest twister to hit the planet since '99 Ok City. Greensburg is a wasteland, rubble, shredded..Some of our schoolkids took early leave from high school this wk to head down with family farm equipment, loaders, tractors, etc. to help with the excavating..They do that out here..
You should know that the one reported case of "looting" was perpetrated by 4 troops from Ft. Riley KS, home of the Big Red One. The soldiers were, I'm told some recruits from parts unknown. They'll be charged..
Footnote: There aint no damned levees out here, it's flat man!
"Besides deer hunting and tornado chasing and sitting around on a Summer night watching the corn grow, what the hell else is there to do in Kansas?"
We got wheat, and I got tomatoes along with a half acre garden and gas just hit $3.. I'm eating Angus that we raise. Ground sells for 1K per acre max, and I don't chew no chew. Smoke a little though! Hee-Hee...
Listen I'm a 35 yr. veteran of Califas, with six generations before me. Spent my last 2 yrs in your State in the Sierras just below Yosemite. Got stuck by a drunk Indian in North Fork in 82. He's doin life in CDC for tryin to rob a H&R Block lady. Killed her for all the incomplete tax forms he could carry off.. Stupid folks everywhere.
We got BTK and Rev. Fred Phelps out here (God Hates Fags). They embarass us as much as I'm sure Richard Ramirez embarassed the Chicano community momentarily..
I'll never go back to Cali except to bury what family is left out there. Too many crazies.. Too much PC..
My little bro is a captain with the USFS out there. Worked your Angeles Forest for a lot of yrs. Commands a "Helittack crew", and fough lots of your Santa Anna fueled fires. Because of Affirmative Action he had to accept a fucking midget on his crew. Hell, the dwarf needed helped on with his "jump harness" everytime they flew, and couldn't carry shit when they hit the deck, but because we live in a kinder and gentler world (or you do out there) a six-man crew was put in constant danger by a weak link..
Lil Prince George came out here today. He made all the photo ops. never missed his mark.. The FEMA trailers are on their way to Greensburg. I'm sure they've been decontaminated from all the meth labs that New Orleans used them for. We'll help, send cash to Red Cross and they'll rebuild slowly. But you can bet greenbacks that Greensburg will be up and running while the Lower 9th New Orleans is still snivveling with its hand out..
I like it here. Now gimme another dip o that Skoal...
Great website you provided GJ, Dr. Quinones rags to rich's story proves what a great country we live in when a poor illegal migrant worker with the help of some good jente can end up a top neurosurgeon at John Hopkins Medical Center, after graduating top of his class at Harvard.
One day he will probably develop a cure for cancer (his specialty.) But isn't it curious that his Grandmother was the village "Curandera" (witch doctor!)in Mexico.
I got another success story about a kid I've known all his life and is a total plus for the USA.
If he hadn't been brought here as an infant by my neighbors of many years (two lesbians, at one time illegal, Mexican women)
Hector was born in a Tijuana whorehouse to a prostitute mother, his biological father had been murdered.
The mother gave him to these childless lesbians who lived in LA (sold? maybe) and Hector was brought home and grew up in the Eastside neighborhood of LA. He grew up around all kinds of tempations but remained a straight up kid, always polite, very handsome and well spoken, who knew all the vato locos in the varrio but was respected as a nice smart youngster who had no beef with anyone.
Even with all the odds against him Hector went on to college, became a teacher, got married to a great young woman who is also a teacher, and has in the last couple of years become the Middle School Superintendent at the school he attended as a kid, and he's still in his 30's.
I often wonder what would have happened in his life if he never got the chance to grow up surrounded by people who cared for him, and that includes everyone in the neighborhood.
There are many success story's like Hector's and Dr. Quinones, people who even though once "illegal" got the chance to thrive in the good ol US of A and in the end the whole country benefits by there presence.
dq
Anonymous said..or, "The Great Sellout" (his self given name)
The “blame” game only perpetuates a racist atmosphere.
Given that logic, would the "blame" game perpetuate the crime atmosphere?
Reverse racism accomplishes nothing either.
What is "reverse racism"?
We have our share of racists in our own back yard (Mexican-Americans I’m speaking of). How many times have we (you would not be privy to this SNS so a response from you would only be speculation)
In that case, you wouldn't be privy to it, either. Right?
not only badmouthed other razas but derisively refer to Mexican nationals (legal or illegal) as “pinchi mojados”?
This coming from someone who took joy in watching the "mojados" get mobbed by the police last week. Interesting you come to their defense only when a cholo merely makes fun of them, without physical force.
We do this all the time and we create a natural separation from them UNTIL they assimilate.
There it is...only after defending them from the cholos' verbal abuse, you demand they assimilate..because if they think the cholos are bad, wait till they see what the whites have in store for them.
Ask your bosom buddy Don Quixote
Answer my questions.
(and if you state otherwise, DQ, you are an ancient Chicano fibber and may the ghost of Pancho Villa invade your sleep!). In fairness, I would think this is true with any foreigners, be they Arab (“camel jockey”), Aisans (“pinchi Chinos”), etc.
Sounds like your the one who needs to ask DQ some questions. As it stands today, you're by far the most ignorant, assed backwards person commenting here, and you're the one who's points I'm questioning.
I believe in not crying about injustices
Have you faced any injustice in your life?
and doing something about it such as educating oneself and leading by example!
I'd like to know what injustices you've faced, and how you educated yourself and lead by example in response to it.
The blacks are notorious for bitching and moaning about 400 years of slavery (ad nauseum)
White people are lucky that's all they're doing, anymore. Ask Reginald Denny.
LOL …God forbid. It appears that the mere mention of left wing politics strikes a familiar – and sensitive chord. The left wing Chicano radicals know EXACTLY what I mean, SNS. When “community activists” become left wing agitators (advocating violent confrontations),
The only violent confrontation I'm discussing here is that by the police last week. Left wing politics have nothing to do with it. I'm discussing the law. And, to answer your next convenient retort, I don't wish violence on white people nor am I glad about what happened to Reginald Denny. I'm just saying that White people are lucky that Blacks only bitch about slavery. Considering what Black people have gone through in this country, to paraphrase Chris Rock, they're "too nice".
this becomes part of the equation. I for one am not as concerned about a relatively minor confrontation with LAPD
Of course not, because you're an apologist for criminal behavior, so long as such criminal behavior suits your political views.
(who obviously were wrong in their handling of this particular situation) than with the issue of illegal immigration and how they attempt to make us (the American people) feel like we’re wrong in our handling of their problem.
They don't make you feel anything. You feel the way you feel due to your own narrow minded views on immigration. As an American, a tax paying, law abiding American, I have no problem with the natives of this land coming back to their home, that they were forced out of by barbaric, brutally racist policies. .
I wasn’t aware I was engineering a “debating strategy”, SNS,
Doesn't surprise me. Most people that habitually change topics of conversations to conveniently hide their indefensible position don't know when they're doing it. But I'll be glad to point it out for you.
by resurrecting my old heroes and “putting them into the mouths of those who disagree”.
Your heroes? Yeh. You mentioned Pancho Villa, not President Polk.
We can definitely disagree.
You've proven you can do a lot more, like, put words into other peoples mouths when you've failed to win an argument with the points they were presenting. I was talking about the LAPD, and suddenly you postulate Pancho Villa is my hero.
You have your points to make and I have mine.
Except that yours usually have nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
Stick to the points yourself and don’t worry about characterizing my flamboyant writing style.
In other words, give your bullshit a pass? I don't think so.
Hmmm, not a good comeback, SNS.
"Not a good comeback" isn't exactly a good comeback, either.
But allow me to articulate this in a manner that you might better comprehend:
Does this mean you're going to finally get to the point and stop postulating on the political leanings of people in here, and accusing anyone in here who criticizes the LAPD of being cop haters?
The good people who were marching for “immigration reform”, in my humble view,
More like misinformed view, but carry on....
are attempting to SPONGE on the resources and the hospitality extended to them by their American neighbors.
As far as the natural resources go, in the South West part of the country, they aren't America's to extend.
No, SNS, no one was carrying a sign that said, “let’s sponge on the hospitalities reserved for whites” (you, SNS, transposed the word “whites!!!”).
This might be the first time you've ever been offended by someone accusing you of being white.
And no one was carrying a sign that read: “I am a Mexican national who despises America but wishes to avail myself of their resources so I can bring heroin and cocaine, oops, I mean, so I can feed my family”.
You just did, to furthermore demonstrate how prejudiced you are against Mexicans. .
Now you get it? My project for you and Don Q (the man with all the answers) is to play the devil’s advocate for a moment.
My project for you is to stop bringing other people's names into a debate between me and you.
Name some good reasons why we should tighten the lid on illegal immigration. I will await your response with great anticipation.
I'll await yours to the same question. You're yet to come up with a good reason yourself.
Oops. I thought we were talking about illegal immigration. You’re still obsessed with LAPD’s behavior.
While you're an apologist for their criminal behavior. As far as me being obsessed with the LAPD? Try the whole country, and get used to it.
I thought it was already settled that they screwed up and that the offenders were going to be strung up at High Noon? Are you still upset about the Japanese internment? Or, let me guess, 400 years of slavery. If so, I can now begin to fathom the degree of resentment that exists in your heart.
If bringing up historical events to dance around a debate topic were a capital offense, you'd be the one being strung up at high noon.
[Yo, the cops are gone. The Mayor and Chief have spoken. You’re still having those flashbacks! There’s no place like home, Dorothy
Funny that while you can't get 60's liberal Chicano politics, and your disdain for them, out of your head, you want us to get an event out of our heads that happened one week ago.
So write a pinchi script, make some money, and join the anti-immigration crowd. Then go on Larry King and proclaim that you are NOT white and you made it to the proverbial mountaintop, looked around, and could not find Don Quixote there because he was too busy driving cross country with a big joint dangling from his fingertips. Oops, that means you would be called a Vendido (Sellout) and God forbid that one would dare antagonize the Zapatistas and Villistas of the world.
Or, if I were Chicano and wanted to be a sellout, I could do it the easy way and sympathize with a police department using unnecessary force against innoncent Mexicans, like you did. Why take the long route?
You mean I can’t “float like a butterfly and sting like a bee”. You are the one debating me over the issues. Friend, I doubt that you would recognize an issue if it bit you on the culo (with apologies to Don Q).
That has to be your 10th reference to another commentor in this one post. What is your deal with these other people you keep mentioning?
Yo, my initial rant was about “illegal immigration”.
And it was stupid, as was your ensuing segue into shilling for the LAPD.
Wake up! Now you sound like my ex-wife ....
The 'ex' part doesn't surprise me. Guess we aren't the only ones that got tired of your racist rants and your disturbing admiration of violent police behavior.
like a broken record.
I was about to say the same to you, after like your 9th mentioning of Don Quixote.
We must find out what LAPD did to you SNS.
Can't you just go to a porn site to satisfy that same part of your brain?
You have overplayed the “I-Hate-LAPD-with-a-passion” card.
And you've overplayed the red herring, putting words into peoples' mouths card, unless you care to link where I said I hated the LAPD.
So let’s have some intelligent dialogue about some cops who you don’t hate
I never said I hated anybody. But, yes, police officers that abuse their authority could qualify as 'vile' in my book. It's one of the biggest threats to democracy. Meanwhile, cops that do their jobs within the parameters of the U.S. Constitution have my full support.
You answered a question with a question. No matter, this is hardly Nixon vs. JFK (by the way, they were both semantical experts). Many Chicanos indeed believe that racism exists but it exists with ALL ethnic groups
And, out of all of these ethnic groups, which one has the most money and land in this country? Given that, which could do the most damage with their racism?
The Great Sellout: "You must be a non-white person yourself then? Maybe experienced much trauma in your childhood? Sorry to hear that."
SNS: Given such a logic, would this also explain your indifferences with proud barrio Chicanos?
[….and your answer is …. ??
Your fetish with other peoples' run ins with abusive police officers is disturbing, to say the least.
LOL … Is this what it’s all about, then, SNS: “people coming back to a land that they were forced from generations ago”? If so, I rest my case.
Translation: The conversation has become too intellegent for you.
The prism from which you view life is highly biased from jump street.
Examples?
That’s ok. I know alcoholics who experience similar delusions.
You know someone in the mirror who does, too. Ask him about how he likes to debate immigration without discussing the history of the South West United States.
But for me to “debate” with a delusional one is like talking to the wall.
That's one way of saying that you can't sell everyone on your grossly illinformed immigration views.
[Ahh, a low blow, SNS. my huevos ache.
It's about time I returned one.
But my answer to the question you raised goes like this: I don’t give a shit if you give a shit or not to what my family and I think. But I have no problem “sharing” with those who just might.
If you weren't briging your family's views on immigration into the discussion in some feeble attempt to convince people in here that the majority of Chicanos in L.A. are against the immigrants, then what was your point? That there is at least one latino family in L.A. against the immigrants? What about the other 99.9999% of Chicanos in L.A? What's their view on immigration?
Muchos Garcias to In The Cachucha
The Great Sellout
You said it, not me.
I was demonstrating that the majority of Mexican Americans in this country are sympathetic to the Mexican immigrants' cause. Which raises the question; Why should anyone give a shit what you and your family think?
So you are now the voice of the Mexican Majority ?
So Mr.Majority, Why should I , as a White guy , give a shit what you have to say? In case you haven't noticed you guy's are on you way out.And the ones that are left over are not going to be in the majority any more.You can argue and proest and cry about it all you want but thats a fact jack!
Also posted is a link to a YouTube video in which you can hear and see the police helicopter telling people to leave the park several times. Yes some police use their billy club when they did not have to, but how many times do you have to tell somebody to move your ass?
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You've got to be kidding me. You mean to tell all of us Wallistas that the jura didn't just show up and start kicking ass for no reason?
Will this cause DQ and SNS to melt down, and post a few dozen times saying that the tape is doctored and part of a LAPD conspiratorial cover-up?
If and when the names of specific cops who used force are published, and their surnames are mostly Hispanic, will DQ and SNS admit that they were wrong to pull the "racist LAPD Officers" card too quickly from the deck?
Or will DQ and SNS simply do what they do, DQ telling all that the Mexican/American officers who took part are simply sellouts and not "real" Mexicans.
And SNS telling all that it's simply because the LAPD's historical pattern of racism hasn't been broken and the Mexican/American officers who took part are brainwashed by the white hierarchy of LAPD?
Is it inconcievable to them that the cops didn't give a shit about what ethnicity of people were in the park, and just followed orders?
The media hyped the fuck out of this from jump street, and the Chicano race baiters and activists and cop haters will ride this wave for all it's worth. Enjoy the ride DQ and SNS.
But when all is said and done, and the evidence is put out for all to see, the Wallistas who have no axe to grind, and aren't coming from an angle will see it for what it really was.
The people in the park and especially the media wouldn't leave, because they thought the cops wouldn't make them. The cops made them. Now they cry foul.
What a bunch of shit.
Since the LAPD handling of the Macarthur Park melee we've all heard the comments by our so-called citizens who disagree with the actions of the Police. They are demanding Police Accountability for what happened. SERIOUSLY? Are we, as a collective community going to actually subscribe to that type of scape-goat mentality? Why don't we demand that the people take responsibility for their own actions?
Here's the way it really goes: The "People" organize to protest the recent wave of Immigration raids around L.A. and the Immigration Policy at large. Why? Because it's their right to oppose a PERFECTLY LEGAL GOVERNMENT ACTION. The Police naturally assemble and stand ready to respond....since the "GOOD CITIZENS" of this city have demonstrated in countless past events, their willingness to act uncivilized and engage in criminal conduct that puts the very security of the city at risk. (Watts Riots, LA Riots, LA Lakers Championship Celebration...need I go on?) The Police, having learned from past experience, know that a swift immediate response and show of force is the only effective way to supress a large crowd if things go bad...which in LA they usually do. So that day in the PARK, a group of demonstrators chose to hurl rocks and other unknown objects at POLICE! Why? Who knows! But when it happens....PARTYS OVER! You see...that very act just caused the peaceful demonstration to turn into a potientially violent outbreak. The Police have no choice but to act swiftly and with one goal...DISPERSE THE CROWD! End of Story. Now if our so-called citizens were actually civilized, this wouldn't have happened.
Enter the POLICE-LAPD. They move in fast and push the crowd out of the park. They must...or risk losing the crowd and alas..a riot breaks out. There is confusion, chaos and a thick line of Police in riot gear coming toward the citizens. Common sense tells most of us to move out. But a select group of people who think they are exempt from the orders continue to stand around. Sure they may not be throwing things, but they sure aren't moving either. Did the citizens think the Police were going to politely excuse themselves and walk around them? So why all the fuss when the Police put their hands on people to make them move? And to address the jokers who claim they never heard the Orders to Disperse.....that's a hard sell. Especially when just about every video clip on t.v shows about a dozen BULL HORNS in the hands of POLICE barking orders to leave. Please people. Now if the crowd...ALL OF THEM..would have left, there would have been no problem.
So the real controversy comes in the form of a few t.v. reporters. (ie CHRISTINA GONZALES) She publicly (on-air) tried to sell us the line that she, nor others around her, heard any orders from the Police to disperse. Yeah. Take a look at the clips one more time Christina...this time not on medication. Look. It's clear that CHRISTINA GONZALES and the other camera men who got run over by Police, felt they didn't have to move. They felt they were EXEMPT from the orders because they are MEDIA. OH! How wrong they were. You see...Media Credentials do not make you exempt from OBEYING LAWFUL ORDERS! Your duty as a citizens to obey laws and lawful orders comes FIRST. Then your duty to Journalism comes SECOND. Those media people could have moved to a neutral area and continued covering. Last time I checked, those cameras had a zoom feature. However, they chose to stand right in the path of an advancing army of POLICE! What in blazes did you think would happen people! Don't say you didn't have time to move. For goodness sake, the POLICE were walking...not running toward you!
I'm sure an overwhelming number of the participants at the PARK were peaceful and civil. But in today's society, it only takes a handful of hooligans in a crowd of thousands to cause a deadly outbreak of voilence. Its just a fact. The people need to be aware that there is a huge potential for tempers to flare and things to get out of hand. The local government recognizes this potential. This is why they send the LAPD out there suited and booted to handle the crowd. People need to start waking up to the fact that when one person acts out, it usually means the end of the demonstration. Thats just they way it is. The Police have to play it safe, because they can also be charged with failing to protect as well. If they failed to protect in a case like this, the outcome could have been some seriously injured, or dead people. But that's not the case...instead we just have some bumps, bruises and a few hurt feelings. Not a bad outcome given the gravity of the situation.
So to all the ANTI-POLICE/Government people out there: Look yourselves in the mirror. If you were there that day and got caught up in it, you probably could have done something to avoid it. And for those of you who are just jumping on the band wagon and using this as another opportunity to bad mouth our government, find a country you think is better and go there.
Is there a police officer in Los Angeles that can debate law and order with civilians when off duty, without accusing those who disagree with him/her of being anti police or communist? Come on. There has to be one.
Big Spider and CIS - just got a foot in his ass :)
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Well the only good thing about Waly not being around anymore, is that we don't have to scroll thru Don Quackers "I am a victima" of the white man diatribes.
Alrato Vatos Locos
RIP InTheHat, where do we put the candellas?
May 1, 2006.
Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station:
Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters are
marching in the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what is
your cause and what do you expect to accomplish by this protest?
Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we are We will
bring Houston to its knees!
Jim: What rights?
Juan: Our right to live here...legally. Our right to get all the
benefits you get.
Jim: When did you come to the United States?
Juan:Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night with seven
other friends.
Jim: Why did you come?
Juan: For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in a year in
Mexico. Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children can go to
school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday I will
have the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico!
Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws when you
came?
Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here. I have a
right to amnesty. I paid lots of money for mySocial Security and Green
Cards.
Jim: How did you acquire those documents?
Juan: From a guy in Dallas. He charged me a lot of money too.
Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged?
Juan: It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and work.
Jim: What is the "right" you speak of?
Juan: The right of all Aliens. It is found in your Constitution. Read
it!
Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it saying anything about
rights for Aliens.
Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have Alien rights,
like the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in Mexico, so I
came here.
Jim: I think you are referring to the declaration of Independence and
that document speaks to unalienable rights ... Not Alien rights.
Juan: Whatever.
Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen, why then are
you carrying a Mexican Flag?
Juan: Because I am Mexican.
Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty .. To become a US
citizen.
Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a part of
Mexico that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to its
rightful owner.
Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas. After wining the war with
Mexico, Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the
USA. It was not stolen from Mexico.
Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was California, Mexico and Arizona. It is just like all the other stuff you Gringos
steal, like oil and babies. You are a country of thieves.
Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies?
Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China. I see them all over
the place. You let all these foreigners in, but try to keep us Mexicans
out. How is this fair?
Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American citizen then.
Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has to right to live, work, and
speak their native language wherever and whenever they please. That's
another thing we demand. All signs and official documents should be in
Spanish. Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in
Houston will speak Spanish than English. It is our right!
Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without proper
documentation, what rights would I have there?
Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different.
Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right to live
wherever they please.
Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now you want
Mexico too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights in
Mexico.
Why would you want to go there anyway? There is no free medical
service, schools, or welfare there for foreigners such as you. You
cannot even own land in my country. Stay in the country of your birth.
Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on this issue.
Thank you for your comments.
Juan: Viva Mexico!
...Then there's groups of cops who just form a truncheon line, fire off 150 sandbag rounds (without a single arrest!), beat up media, and otherwise completely ignore the law they are sworn to uphold.
Do your homework. There were 8 arrests. The law says they can use the force they used. See how many cops go to jail, or even get fired over it. NONE. It isn't going to happen. They did what they were trained to do, and the reason they were trained to do it is because the law gives them the authority.
Take a criminology class at your local CC, you might find out your view of what the cops can and can't do is shattered.
You are the classic example of people who think they know the law.
The people in the park, and especially the media thought the cops couldn't do it either. Then they did it. The Mayor didn't like it, the Chief didn't like it,
and of course the anti-police people and the media don't like it.
It's bad for their political position, and that's why they don't like it. So a couple heads roll (re-assigned, big deal).
Could it have been handled differently? Absolutely!!!
Does that mean the cops didn't have legal standing to do what they did? Absolutely not!!!
You fucking jailhouse F. Lee Baileys are funny as hell. As usual,you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
funny web site. this dude wants to debate everybody like he's calling somebody out for chingazos. hey great one, put on some boxing gloves and teach that boy a lesson. his answers are weak.
you are right .... this still no script dude has an obsession with LAPD. must have given him the blues sometime in life.
I just listened to a C-Span report before the House by one Hilda Solis a Rep from E. LA I think. she gave a eloquent appeal to her colleagues regarding the slaughter of over 450 young women in the city of Ciudad Juarez. the murders have occured over the span of 10 years, and the statute of linitations are running out on the earlier slayings. The esteemed Representative mentioned that many of these yng wm. were employed by the "maquiladores", the companies that slid South after NAFTA, honest good-intentioned hard working women. What stuck in my craw was why she was pleaing to the US House when this is obviously a case of Mexicans not able to clean their own house. It's been alleged in other reports I've read that the murders have been committed by rich Mexican young men who ride above the law down there. They've progressed through all the "thrills" that privilege allows to bloody murder, my friends. They've grown beyond the "thrill" of rape to the "charm" of murder when their lust is sated.. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
How refreshing it would be to see Calderon take an active hand in this travesty and prosecute these brats to fullest extent of Mexican Law. But that won't happen, will it?
Anyone reading this has to realize that the term "Mexican Law" is in itself an oxymoron..
shit I was starting to go through with draws with No In The Hat for several days. Wally we need some more news from you, the kind that brought us to this site to begin with. The agruements on the police beating people can go on forever.... SNS brings up a good point, I'd love to hear from a real cop who actually thinks maybe his fellow LAPD were a bit out of hand.
OC HALF BREED!
"the Wallistas who have no axe to grind,"
Don't make me fucking laugh. You guys spend your entire days cruising Myspace and copying addresses of teenage girls who date gang members, then paste the addresses here and whine and bitch about how girls are attracted to gangsters and not 60 year old right wingers. Give me a break. You guys don't have an axe to grind like a bear doesn't shit in the woods.
Some crybaby cop apologist was asking about the ethnicity of the goon squad members who had the Chief Parker era "flashback" of "kicking ass's and taking names". Why a cops ethnic background has any significance is a mystery to me.
Actually in my experience a Black or Chicano cop usually is a more brutal, loudmouthed, grandstander, when they are hooked up with or in front of "White cops".
There are many theories about why this occurs and I've heard them all. My take is that they don't want to show weakness or sympathy for thier own kind in front of "White Cops" so they usually overreact and become more zealous when dealing with thier "suspects".
I have had some "interactions" with Jura's when they were both Chicano Detectives and they acted different when no "White cops" were present, more down to earth and had a "just doing my job" attitude. This is just my non scientific opinion.
But to answer the question about the ethnicity of the goon squad cops at the May Day gathering, I don't know how many "Latinos" were cops, but I think it's telling that Chief Bratton and Mayor TOny V brought down the ax on a couple of throwbacks to the old racist sadistic days of LAPD history.
Two old neanderthals with 35 or 40 years of hate training, two "White" cops, "Deputy Chief, Caylor Lee Carter Jr." and "Commander Louis Gray".
So as far as the ethnicity of the cops, who cares! As far as the attitudes and history of the LAPD officers in charge of the fiasco,
Makes all the difference in the world, and that's why they were sent to Siberia for the duration.
Kudos to Chief Bratton and Mayor V!
dq
I would really like to know who is the idiot donkey ass person that has so much time on their hands to write so many pro-LAPD Police comments and ideas. He/she seem to have no higher level of education or legit facts on all the crap that comes out of her/his mouth.
Talking about undocumented Mexicans. I talk to a handful of Mexicans the other day who just jumped into the US for work.
They all paid a nice sum of $2,800 each and got in by way of a tunnel at the border.
They said that there were about 100 people in the safe house on this side of the US.
According to them, this tunnel is working around the clock......lol
Only if America knew the things that I know...:)
:)
From the LA Times
The chief said he has returned 57 officers with the Metropolitan Division to normal duties, two weeks after they were benched for their role in breaking up the immigrants' rights rally. However, Bratton said a sergeant and two officers from the unit remained benched pending the outcome of the investigations into excessive force.
You can bet your ass that if those cops did ANYTHING wrong Bratton would not be putting them back on the streets. That would be political suicide. Let's see what happens with the other two.
The more that comes out, the more the cops appear to have complied with law and LAPD policy.
A simple truth applies here: There is no gentle way to clear a park out of people who refuse to leave. You may not like it, but that doesn't make it untrue.
Some crybaby cop apologist was asking about the ethnicity of the goon squad members who had the Chief Parker era "flashback" of "kicking ass's and taking names". Why a cops ethnic background has any significance is a mystery to me.
[Hey, Old-Timing-I-Have-All-The-Answers-Because-I’m-A-Veterano, in case you haven’t read your own anti-cop mierda, a “white” cop seems to be the poster child for a “racist” cop. Therefore, whoever mentioned the ethnicity of the LAPD enforcers was probably looking to point out that the majority of them were not white and inferred that they had no ethnic ax to grind. Seems reasonable in the 21st century versus the Old Timing Days of your shellshock past. And why does this poster have to be a “crybaby cop apologist”. Are you then an anti-cop crybaby apologist?]
There are many theories about why this occurs and I've heard them all. My take is that they don't want to show weakness or sympathy for thier own kind in front of "White Cops" so they usually overreact and become more zealous when dealing with thier "suspects"…..
[Those days are long gone and you have either been living in the past too long or have watched L.A. Confidential too many times! In fact, there are many ethnic activities stemming from the law enforcement community such as the Latino Peace Officer’s Association and other similar groups throughout the country. Many cops don’t understand why these groups need to exist as cops are one big family nation wide but everyone respects their choices to join and participate in these groups]
KMA
"Kudos to Chief Bratton and Mayor V!"
dq
(laughing out loud) Do you really think anything is going to change just because Mayor "V" and Chief "B" made some comments for the media?
Mayor "V" was saying the things a mayor has to say to placate the disgruntled;
Chief "B" made a similar statement echoing Mayor "V";
A few cops were rearranged in the system and nothing has changed. When the next demonstration takes place, the cops will have their own cameras rolling and that's a good thing.
Come on....those Latino Associations are just a good excuse to get out of the house and take a so called business/vacation break from la wifey - a pass to get hammered and druck skunk.
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