Friday, September 21, 2007

Just to dispel some rumors, I haven't gone into PC, gotten whacked or retired to a Malibu mansion. I have, however, spent a lot of time doing radio, TV and print promotion for the book, most of it out of town. Believe it or not, this is my first full week back in the Fortress of Solitude since July 25 when the book hit the streets. Not that I'm complaining, but there's a monumental shift in your life when you go from being a hermit scribe to a creature of promotion.

One of the big changes is that I haven't been able to stay up to date on what's happening on the street. Once you start talking way too much about what you're doing, you actually stop doing it and you're just talking about it. That make sense?

I've got a three-foot stack of stories and documents that need reading and about fifty phone calls to return. Once I whittle through the stack and get on the phone, I'll be back in the loop and get some fresh information on the site.

Stay tuned for more.


Anonymous said...

and when are you going to turn the comments back on.

Anonymous said...

Black/Latino Violence? Scholars find no clear trend

"LAPD is not on the brink," of a major inter-racial crime wave, three University of California Irvine scholars have concluded after examining assault, robbery and homicide data in the city's southern police precincts.

The researchers said that, although some cross-racial crimes involving blacks and Latinos have been "sensationalized," the numbers suggest that offenders preying on people of their own race is a much bigger problem, and should remain the focus of police attention.

"It sort of goes against the more spectacular stories that have been dramatized in the media," one of the researchers, UC Irvine assistant professor John R. Hipp, said of the study's findings. "It's far more common to see [violence] going on between groups. We don't see any real trend here."

The study by Hipp and fellow UC Irvine criminologists George E. Tita and Lindsay N. Boggess compared aggravated assault, robbery and homicide cases between 2000 and 2006 in the four precincts of LAPD's South Bureau against 2000 Census data. It found that black offenders were nearly eight times more likely to kill another black person as to kill a Latino, and Latino offenders were nearly twice as likely to kill another Latino as a black person.

A similar situation existed with robberies and assaults, the study found: Black offenders were six times more likely to assault those of their own race than Latinos. Given the opportunity, they were about equally likely to rob from each group. Latino offenders were almost twice as likely to assault fellow Latinos--and almost three times more likely to rob them--than to assault or rob blacks.

The report was presented to LAPD officials, and another draft is being prepared for publication.

The researchers made their calculations, in essence, by predicting crime rates based on the size of South Bureau's black and Latino populations. They also looked at the degree to which the two groups are mixed, and, thus, their opportunity to commit crimes against each other. Then they looked at how much actual crimes exceeded or fell short of their predictions.

They did find what Hipp called "a blip" in one area: African Americans killed Latinos in greater numbers than usual in 2005, while Latinos killed more blacks in 2006 than was typical.

But the total numbers of killings involved were relatively small. And since there were no similar trends in assaults or robberies, researchers were not sure what, if anything, the blips mean.

Overall, black/Latino violence is dwarfed by black-on-black and Latino-on-Latino crime, he said.

The Homicide Report made a similar finding about black/Latino murder earlier this year after examining 236 homicide cases in three South Bureau precincts and one Central Bureau precinct last year. Just 22 of those homicides crossed racial lines.

The study also echoes what many people in South Bureau law enforcement have said for some time: That racially-motivated violence between blacks and Latinos occurs occasionally, but tends to be overplayed by the media.

The UC Irvine study is provocative in what it didn't find, however: In the past, researchers have speculated that the reason the amount of same-race violence so consistently outstrips between-race violence is simply that different races tend not to live close together.

Los Angeles, with its high degree of racial mixing, offers, "an interesting laboratory," to test this idea, Hipp said, and the results of this study suggest it doesn't hold up: Violent crime, in other words, seems to have to do with more complex factors than simple opportunity.

(Above, Mexican-and-soul food fusion, Gage and Figueroa, South-Central Los Angeles, and a mural of Martin Luther King Jr. and the Virgen de Guadalupe, 50th and Vermont.)

(Below, The Complexity of Cross-Race Murder in L.A.: Each of the victims pictured here died this year in Los Angeles County from violence that crossed racial lines. But their stories defy simplistic assumptions.)

Above, Shantell Martinez, 18, (far left among the young women pictured), is listed as the Latina victim of a homicide committed by black suspects. But in reality, Martinez was of mixed heritage, spending time with black friends who affectionately called her, "White Girl." The conflict preceding the shooting was essentially black-on-black, and the indiscriminate gunfire that killed Martinez also wounded four black people.

This row: Rafael Rivera, 33, (far left), was a Latino man killed by a black man. But investigators think his killer probably mistook Rivera for black. Rivera was very dark-skinned, and his nickname "El Moreno" means "the black man" in the colloquial Spanish of L.A. streets.

Kenneth Johnson,48, a black man, (second from left), was killed in a double homicide in which a Latino man faces trial. The suspect in the case, however, was a known to be violent toward both blacks and Latinos, and investigators believe the killing had more to do with the suspect's violent mood, and perhaps some minor quarrel, than with anything related to race.

Salvador Arredondo, Latino, (third from left), and Fabian Cooper, black, (second from right), were lifelong, good friends who died together in a homicide committed by blacks. It was another "bullets-have-no-name" killing: The pair were random victims, caught in the middle of some gang quarrel of which they had no part.

Eugene Robinson, 34, (far right), was a black man living in a Latino world. He was the member of a Latino gang, and the suspects in his killing are Latino. His nickname, "Shadow," presumeably referred to how his complexion contrasted with that of the people around him. The eulogies written on his street shrine were almost entirely in Spanish.

Anonymous said...

SORRY WALLY THE BOOK WAS BORING, you could come out with part two or go with your original title southern soldiers and actually write a book about the mexican mafia or socal gangs, you have enough info to do it.

louie the hype said...

Welcome back Wally don't leave us alone for so long again, I almost made it through withdrawals cold turkey but am now fixed up again.

Anonymous said...

Congradulations and good to see that you have come back.

Anonymous said...

I have to agree with one of the previous blogsters, the book was not what I thought it was gonna be. You should have named it "Los Avenidas Asesinos" or "The Aguirre Crime Family". As soon as I started reading I begun smelling smoke, as I read on I noticed the smell of smoke was coming from me, cause I had just got burent for $25.00. Back in the days that would of got me a whole "spoon" a "quarter T" if you know what I mean, and I would of been one mad Mexican, you should thank GOD things are a little better today and $25.00 will not make me go hunting for somebody. Well as my dear ol' jefita used to say "ni modo, ya para que". Keep up the blog. I guess after writing this libro you'll have to "check in" to the peceta yard, so I wont be seeing you around.

El Montero

Anonymous said...

The book was about the Avenues, not the Mafia.

It got real boring going over the court cases over and over zzzzzzzzzzzz.

Plus, you tried in vain to link up the killings of some Latinos by Blacks in South Central to the situation in Highland Park.

Those killings happen in Varrio Playboys & Avalon Crips hood.

Nothing to do with Avenues or the Highland Park Area.

Anonymous said...


Santiago said...

The news that Wally's back, hit the floor like a sack of bricks. The rife rumor that Wally was walking away had left many of us Wallista's with a compound fracture to the psyche. Some of us faced the distinct possibility of roaming the cyber heavens with no fixed home, just moving sporadically from blog to blog for short or indefinite stays. Nothing felt worse than being a transient drifter in cyberspace Wally. But, you have put the naysayers to rest. What a buoy to our high spirits to see you post again (OK, so I exaggerate a little bit). Pero, es la verdad to say that Don Quixote and Gava Joe are in a near trancelike state of religious fervor. Welcome back and congratulations on your books present and future success.

PS. Business is business, we know all the movidas...there's nothing to explain. Also, good review on Amazon, Norwalquero (The Sage of Norwalk).

don quixote said...

Welcome back Wally, hope your book tour was successful.
Just a bit of advice though Tony, as you're hustling your book, and I couldn't help but notice the plethora of rich looking blue haired old ladies in places like Montecito and Palm Springs, I would advise you to take advantage of the opportunity to "council, advise, and escort" some of these old widows.
Hey Wally, I couldn't help but notice the stars in their eyes when you were speaking. Face it you have a certain amount of charisma with the wealthy Matronly set, and I say take advantage of it.
OK, you might have to humiliate yourself somewhat in this "service", and people might snicker at the sight of a younger man such as Yourself with a woman of, of, well lets just say ageless wisdom and old money, but who cares if it means not having to hustle books and trying to keep your head above water in the LA ratrace. SHit Tony think of this scenario, leisure time and no dinero worry's while kicking it in an Indian Wells golf front home, on the ocean in Palm Beach, Ski chalet in Aspen, not to mention polo in the mansion in Montecito.

Hey don't knock it Tony, always be open to opportunity's.
So while your working on your new book, the sequel,

"The Mexican Mafia, Hitmen for the Illuminati",

keep in mind that fame is fleeting and why have your ass on the line for people who probably don't appreciate it anyway, shit Tony you had to have been impressed by the wealth you were surrounded by,
Jump on that shit, Let the good times roll.

ANd as a token of appreciation for your return to In The Hat I have a gift for you.
I collected a withdrawal from the "Carnal's Favor Bank", and somehow some of the Brothers "piranha's" convinced "The Soprano's" producer David Chase to hand over the real authentic "Final Episode of the SOprano"s", FYEO, on the QT.


jethro said...


I am glad your alerting the general public about the sureno gangs spreading all across the country. Hopefully now more people will know why even latinos like Sgt. Valdemar are against illegal immigration.

The recent killing of a baby in Westlake made many people aware of how sureno gangs collect taxes from the poor immigrants and will kill anybody even babies who don't pay up.

I wish you would write another book describing more of these kind of killing of innocent young innocent by absolutely heartless animals and cowards.

Santiago said...

...more ramblings of an old cholo,

“Johnny Parra was a waiter making about $70,000 a year”

And bought himself a sex change. Chingao, I knew waiters in New York raked it in, but this is nuts.

Perhaps that’s why they seem to think they’re better than you: they actually are making more money. The next time you, the underpaid writer/designer/coder/teacher, feel compelled to tip someone 20% who’s served you a cold dish of attitude, think twice. Bitches aren’t even paying tax on that take.

And in case you’re still wringing your hands:

Even a buser can make more than $40,000 a year with benefits.

Tipping is bullshit Wally, over at Carillo's I just hand over my olla to the lady and say diez dollares($10) and she fills my Forty dollar olla (Sam' club!) and sends me off, no tip no attitude...just a pleasent and sincere smile.
O yeah, the Mission Hills L.A.P.D. station is just a couple of miles from this legendary mexican deli (1946?) and you have these young officers comming in early on Sundays and order their bowls of menudo to eat in the adjaceent room. Anyway's this morning a grey crown victoria with three young white as can be, all-american anglo Metro officers pull up and park the same time I'm pulling up, so we all enter, and of course there's a long line of paisas, veteranos, people you havent seen for years etc., so I broach the subject of your book with them and two had read it and said it was sort of de rigour to read it, being Metro. Well what really struck me, was their sincere fondness of this place and mexican food, and mexicans as well; just not the criminal element. We chatted...what other divisions they had worked at, what was cookin', rumors, eme...a really delightful conversation, they even invited me to come sit with them when their orders were ready, I told them I hadn't even had my coffee yet and that I was salivating just holding my olla de menudo and my just made corn tortillas, YIKES Wally. We all shook hands and I really wished them well and told them, they couldn't have been more than thirty years old Wally. You know, years have the grace of taking off one's edge, and for once I felt a bond with these young men who had embraced my food and the people their. Never late to learn somethin' new.

Santiago said...

Hey Gava Joe, whats going on in your neck of the woods? Que paso compadre? Explain this to DQ.

Police Crack Down On Sex In Parks
On Wednesday, Kansas City, Missouri police were cracking down on sex in public parks. Vice officers were out for the past two days catching _many_ people in the act.

Anonymous said...

It's nice to see you and Don Quixote have kissed and made up.
Since you've been gone he's been posting at BarfInTheHat how you are a minuteman and right-wing nut playing off of people's fear of immigration.
He's posted various comments about how your book was boring and brought no new info. about the EME.
It's just good to see that two old friends have again become kindred spirits.

don quixote said...

I know I'm coming off like a lambe culo but what a great thing it is to click on Wally's blog again and there is something put up by Santiago, always interesting, newsworthy, and humorous, what a cast of characters Wally has developed on his site.

Santiago's analogy of us wallista's without Wally's blog, being totally disconnected and fractured, floating aimlessly out in a vast ether net of substandard blogs, like ghosts floating between worlds without substance, great!
Also his story on Carrillo’s, the menudo on a Sunday AM, and every type of LA character, Jura's, Paisa,s, Gavacho's and Chicano's all bonding by a love of Mexican food, and culture, great story Santiago.
Santiago left out some pertinent street info though, how do these cops eat their Menudo?
Plain, or with all the essentials?
I always thought that the way a person eats Menudo said a lot about them.


"I don't eat tripe ugggggh!" =

Neurotic Vegan type, or a Mexican American in denial.

"I just want plain Menudo! I don't want any chile, posole, or tortillas!" =

Could be a Chicano falso, a Pilate's instructor, or a Gringo politician in the varrio looking for votes.

"Bring me my Menudo de voladas! And I want three pata’s in it along with two beers! =

Been on a parranda, and is crudo as a motherfucker.

“Eating Juanita’s Menudo”, out of a can, off a catering truck, on a cold rainy morning with a bunch of fellow roofers and laborer’s. =

The catering truck is owned and run by a Salvadoreno whose only other choices are “Pupusa’s and El Salvador style Horchata” valga mi Dios!

“A la chingada! This menudo has rice and “Bok Choy” in it! =

Get out of the place fast! This is a sure sign the Mexican Restaurant has been bought out by yet another Korean family!

“Bring me a large bowl of Menudo ! Y oiga mesero! Traer mi cebolla, cilantro, limon, oregano, y chile Nuevo Mexico, tortillas de maiz, y una botella de Dos Equis, pero de voladas! =

A hungry, greedy, hung over motherfucker like myself the day after the eagle flies.


Anonymous said...

don quixote said...
Too bad Wally's awol cause I would like to comment on the book, although even before it was released I feared the worst. The cover with the Mexican Flag only, the gun, and the publisher "ENcounter" with all the right wing superstars in the lineup.

Victor Davis Hansen, who seems to be Wally's mentor and guru and who has his own anti immigrant slanted book "Mexifornia", and much mention of Sgt Valdemar of the "Veterans for Secure Borders".
The strange review by Norwalquero that didn't seem to be the same Norwalquero we all knew on Wally's blog, and as SNS noted, the comments by someone who seemed to be TJ Jailer, the same TJ Jailer who would sometimes comment in defense of one of the above.

All this effort and support and Wally/TOny still fell way short in his efforts as far as I'm concerned.
I'll comment on specific's some other time and although I had a lot of fun with "In The Hat" and wish Wally/Tony much success I am disapointed and surprised at what turned out to be a kind of joint right wing endeavor to paint a lot of people with a broad brush, and was somewhat deceitful in putting forth his agenda, whatever that is.

By the way I have a couple of pretty good stories concerning some people in Wallys book, specifically "Jackie Palomares, and attorneys "Stone" and "Schwartz" there's some pretty unique generational history there that I can share if someone wants to know and can supply me with a couple of cocktails at Barf's Cantina.

Anonymous said...

don quixote said...
Thanks SNS, good website, Wally is really working it with the old white conservative country club crowd.
Scared the silicon out of some of the old broads when in response to a question about identifing young gangsters, Wally stated that Santa Barabara could become as bad as East Los ANgeles if gangs weren't stopped. ("The Mexican gangs are now selling Real Estate!)
Wally/Tony is right on target and scaring the shit out of these old white Republicans in communities like Montecito, if he keeps this up he's bound to make a million on the book.
If I had to guess I'd say his next stops will be at the Indian Wells Country Club and a couple of other stops around Palm Springs (lots of Mexican workers there), then La Jolla or La Costa, Newporter Inn in Newport Beach,
and the Mecca of scared, pissed off, yuppie, guarded, gated, sprayed, dog friendly park included, BMW driving, Yoga practicing, paranoid, upscale,go getter's, the one and only "Irvine".
Wally will get over like a fat rat convincing them that the Mexicans, (flag on the book cover!), and their gangs are an immenent threat to all the little "Baily's and McKenzies, and Jackson's, and that this "seducing of our children" with secret signs and drugs is like some "Invasion of the Body SNatchers" movie from the 50's.
Wally/Tony you better get yourself some high powered accounting firm to take care of all the lana you gonna make.

Anonymous said...

don quixote said...
SNS, yea I think everone figured Wally was going to develop a book or some kind of media vehicle and make a little money, no problem as far as I'm concerned.

Wally/Tony's scheme? if that's what it was, would seem to be a very clever idea. You start a blog and get a bunch of cops, gangsters, ex gangsters and even mainstream press reporters to blog up, argue,discuss history, ect.
Over the years there's been enough info on In The Hat to write 4 or 5 books.
So in retrospect the shocker to me is the weak, boring, old news, product that Wally ended up with.

Maybe if a person has a narrow political or social philosophy and a strict political agenda or party line he is confined by, then what we have witnessed in Wally/Tony's manifesto shouldn't be too surprising.
Or maybe he targeted a specific audience (old blue haired Republican matrons and law enforcement hierarchy) in which case his really shallow endeavor would make sense.
Kind of a shame though, considering all the raw material and potential he had at his disposal.

Anonymous said...

don quixote said...
Santiago, thanks for the tongue lashing, we Wallista's needed it, I know I did, like the end of an old love affair, with Wally's new career going as a retirement home entertainer, astonishing the old folks with incredible feats, turning simple ballons into poodles and giraffes.
also there may be a need for a new placaso, the "Wallista's" have been abandoned, maybe the "barfer's",or how about the "bar flys"? Let GJ figure it out.
Hey speaking of the end of a love affair I just had to cut loose one fine chulita I thought would be keeper.
Finally, after a lot of juiri juiri I get invited to her chante for some cuchi cuchi, tu sabes no? ANyway on her headboard was a vibrator and chinese wang wang balls.
Not being the prudish type I played some fun games with her.

The next week we were going to spend some time at a motel in Pedro so I told her that if she wanted to bring along a couple toys with her that was alright with me.

When I went to pick her up she asked if I could bring her collection of sex toys out to the car, Whaa!, then she points to the "Steamer Trunk" in her living room.
I told her I would need a movers "dolly" to get it into the car so I'd have to go rent one.

As I sped onto the onramp of the Ventura Frwy doing 80 I wondered if I should call her back and explain why I had disapeared.

Hey by the way Santiago is your "Rip Griffin" related to the Truck stop gas station "Rip Griffins"?
I gas up there on the road sometimes, you know, the "Rip Griffins" where trucker's can buy everything from Subway Sandwich's to old Glen Campell CD's, battery's for thier CB's, X rated video's", the latest bumper stickers, steering whell covers, or plastic samarai sword replicas?
just curious

September 9, 2007 6:16 PM

don quixote said...
Barf are you in the book business?
Since you asked for a review I nominate you to complete the task first as I'm still waiting for my change from Wally/Tony from his book.


September 9, 2007 6:27 PM

Big Betty said...
It would also be my dam pleasure to see you buy the book, written, probably in a tortilleria by tortilleras! You rogue

Anonymous said...

don quixote said...
Yea I also liked the short review of "Gangs of Los ANgeles" I doubt I'll buy it new but I'll look for it on the used book rack. I'd be interested to see what the author has to say about the Old School varrios.
Those were times when we Chicano's truly were ghettoized , not some wannabe gangbangers who claim WHite Fence and live out in the burbs and don't even have a clue about the original old varrio.
In my experience those old gangsters are the ones who are still the real shotcallers, like the dagos call the "Mustache Pete's". Lots of new gangsters coming up to replace them though.

Incidentally Gava Joe, "Frogtown" (my wife's family's old neighborhood) is called that due to it's location on the banks of the LA River. There were times, when the weather was just right during the year when literally millions of frogs and toads would migrate out from the river and the streets and sidewalks would be wet and slippery from thousands (or millions?) of live and smashed dead frogs that were everywhere (even in the chavala's chante!).

Frogtown could be a scary place as there's only a couple of ways in and out of that varrio and to be trapped there was a real possibility.
They had a long multigenerational varrio history there, The Big Mexican, and onetime socio of the Carnals, "Ernie Ortiz" who straightened his life out in Santa Cruz, had family going back over a hundred years when it was called "Turkey Flats" .

Also I would agree that the best and most authentic gang book I ever read was Cody Scotts "Monster".
Written well with a tremendous pace, and the constant tension of that lifestyle was right on.
No cop or Wally types can really understand that and therefore you get a bunch of hero worship and rhetoric.
By the way Cody "Monster" Scott is part Mexican American, his dad was the great running back from UOP and the LA Rams "DIck Bass" who in person looked more Chicano than Black.
Scott in his book never shyed from the truth.
He truthfully stated in his book that the EME and Sureno's were way more organized and ruthless than the other prison groups and warned about it.
Also kind of poignant was when he wrote about the Chicano eyeballing him in some joint somewhere and when he fronted him off he discovered that he was someone he had known as a youngster in Camp and Juvenile Hall. Even though they were old friends they couldn't even shake hands or sit and talk cause the Chicano was from El Monte Flores 13 and Scott was a Crip and in the pinta they were now deadly enemies willing to kill each other as dictated by the movidas they lived by.

Anonymous said...

don quixote said...
Wally/Tony, now a bonafied Carnal and a wunderkind of the way out Right Wing wealthy "Bradley Foundation",
(I think they froze the Fuhers DNA, and stole Facist dictator Generalissimo Franco's body from his tomb in Spain and are hoping to clone these two sometime in the future),

It was the same old reveiw but unless I'm mistaken the part about being granted "unprecedented access to active investigations and major criminal trials?
Wally sure must be tight with the heroic "Manzella" lawyer dude.

Is this accesss legal, and why?
Could this access be grounds for a mistrial? Hmmmmmm.
Wally/TOny is really working it with the right wing, you want to see something pretty scary and weird click up the "Bradley Foundation" website. creepy!

Encounter Books' The Mexican Mafia, by Tony Rafael, exposes murderous criminal conglomerate

In Encounter Books' new The Mexican Mafia, Los Angeles author Tony Rafael exposes the history, operations, and structure of the Mexican Mafia. Founded in 1957 by a group of young L.A. street gangsters, the Mexican Mafia has eluded public and law-enforcement scrutiny.

Also known as "the Eme," the Mexican Mafia is directly or indirectly responsible for hundreds of homicides every year and now controls almost every L.A. neighborhood that has a strong Hispanic street presence. It controls wholesale and retail drug trafficking and collects street taxes from a vast network of drug dealers and enforcers.

"From prison cells in Pelican Bay, members of the Mexican Mafia can order executions on practically any Los Angeles street, throughout most of Southern California, even in neighboring states," Rafael writes in the book's introduction. "It has far-reaching intelligence and communications systems, as well as a standing army of thousands of street soldiers."

The Mexican Mafia is based on original research conducted over 10 years. For the book, Rafael interviewed active and retired gang members and was granted unprecedented access to active investigations and major criminal trials.

Encounter Books is an activity of Encounter for Culture and Education, a nonprofit group that is supported by The Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation in Milwaukee. Encounter's president and publisher is Roger Kimball, editor of The New Criterion magazine, which is also supported by Bradley.

Anonymous said...

don quixote said...
Curious that Wally/Tony claims he spent 10 years researching the Mexican Mafia and then produces a book that is almost void of anything current or newsworthy.
But maybe we are jaded by the real juicy shit like TJ Jailer put out there,(with the help of Mundo).
Tony's really pushing hard for book sales but armed and with security guards? He didn't really produce anything except old news and trial excerpts that are no threat to anyone.
Very doubtful that any of the Brothers would risk putting a green light on Wally/Tony for his book, I mean if he had said one of the Carnal's took it up the ass or was a rata, maybe, but Tony didn't.
Could it be Tony's put together a PR scenario where he is supposedly under a death threat or that someone took a shot at him?
Hmmm brilliant PR idea.

Hey Barflys check out the reviews of Wally/Tony's book on AMazon.
The reviewer R "Champ" Amador just about admitted he was TJ Jailer.
"Champ" huh, I wonder if he's related to "Champ Reynosa" ?
Mundo's book was far superior to "The Mexican Mafia" except for the religious conversion of Mundo which I thought was weak and not very believable. Just my opinion though.

Anonymous said...

Your a writing reject.

Anonymous said...

Those reposts from the "other hat" blog was hilarious. who'da thunk someone could be so how you say? wishy-washy....

Anonymous said...

I guess when this wing nut can find no other dick to suck at BarfInTheHat, well then, Wally's verga is the next best thing.
I hope you're proud Wally, but don't go around bragging about it like el chingon.
This cabrona has sucked more dick than 40 yr. old divorcee.

don quixote said...

Holy Cahuama's!

Is there an echo in here? Nice to read all my own old blogs, I don't know if many others want to though, (except for the compulsive stalker that's infatuated with me), but all in all I would agree with everything I said in them although taken out of context.
Wally/Tony's book was somewhat a disapointment to me but I understand that I probably wasn't part of his "target audience", and anyway as the old saying goes "you can't please all the people all the time".
ANd I still hope he makes a fortune on it!
And yeah, I and others here tried to give Barf in the Hat a shot when we thought that Wally had left us for good and saw a bunch of old friends posting up there.

I know that many felt as I did that Gava Joe was Bith (and maybe he is), and that it would be different than that old "Barf in the Hat" blog that was so wierd it was like discovering the horrid picture of "Dorian Gray" in some closet.
But after a short happy spell there, it became clear that the fucking psycho and game playing creep couldn't continue to contain him/herself and resorted to the same old pathetic shell game and obsessive nose picking that the multi personalitied anonymouse (not enough balls to identify himself) is famous for.
Simply a barking chihuahua looking for attention.
Seems everyone is sick of his cachetes too because after I threw a "Leva" on his ass his only company is poor GJ and the fake blog names he puts up

So now he's over here and I guess we'll have to put up with the gutless little cretin who doesn't have the coraje to come out in the sunlight, but everyone knows who this puny shrew mouse is.

ps; thanks for reminding me to tell the stories about some characters in Tony's book, namely the fathers and relatives of Lawyers Schwartz, and Stone, whose fathers made a lot of money defending Carnal's and Associates. Also Jackie Palomares father who was a homie of mine from Clover, and his other family members.
Also attorney Nardoni who has some old connections too. funny stories al ratito.


Santiago said...

jethro said...
I am glad your alerting the general public about the sureno gangs spreading all across the country. Hopefully now more people will know why even latinos like Sgt. Valdemar are against illegal immigration.

Wally, I can just see "Leave It To Beaver's" own Eddie Haskell (also known as Edward Clark Haskell)
reading that line above...LOL

Jethro always has that unctuous politeness towards you Wally, and a weasly, dull-tongued meanness to everyone else. He is your blogs problem child. Pobrecito Jethro.

Santiago said...

...ruminations of an old cholo,

Anonymouse must of been a model white-collar juvenile delinquent growin up, a creep who goaded people into trouble rather than perpetrating the crime himself. What does that say?
He was a born shirker, not worker, a strain and pain on any parent, especially his own long-suffering mother and father. His psychiatrist refered to him as an "over-stimulated adolescent"; but really, when it comes to Anonymouse, when you say "creep," you’ve said it all Wally.

PS. Now that your book is selling Wally, You'll have leverage to name THAT SECOND BOOK - "Southern Soldiers". Don Quixote will I am sure, email you some humble suggestion's to insure that it becomes a blockbuster.

big betty said...

Welcome back to Wally and to the other Wallistas such as Don Q and Santiago.

Santigao that was a great story about eating menudo with the cops. I like my menudo with cebolla, cilantro and a Dos XX.

Anonymous said...

Poor DQ, it's a bitch when your own pedo comes back to bite you in the nalgas.
I must say though, what an awesome job you did of playing off the fact that you talked a gang of pedo about Wally. You should run for political office. Your post, inferring that all your cacada about Wally and his book was simply all in fun was some funny shit.
Your covers have been pulled payaso. The most ironic thing is, you pulled them yourself.

Marty with the short pants said...

Don Q. says .....

Santiago's analogy of us wallista's without Wally's blog, being totally disconnected and fractured, floating aimlessly out in a vast ether net of substandard blogs, like ghosts floating between worlds without substance, great! Also his story on Carrillo’s, the menudo on a Sunday AM, and every type of LA character, Jura's, Paisa,s, Gavacho's and Chicano's all bonding by a love of Mexican food, and culture, great story Santiago.

I agree Don Q. it was a brilliant choice of words, it was a lonely time without Wally and the faithful Wallista's I also stared into the dark abyss in cyber-space, it's good to be back at our favorite bar and have a drink poured by our favorite bartender Tony Rafael.

Wally has enough information provided by Don Q, to write several books on the sureno gangs. I often just read the archives and re-live what must have been the fascinating life of Don Q.

Santiago said...

What a bunch of characters is right DQ! Wally, come on, dont tell us your sides aren't splittin apart reading this. Seriously Wally thanks for letting Gava Joe, Don Quixote and I have some fun from time to time at the expense of the thread. Tomorrow I'm buyin' 5 more of your books! (-:

"Eating Juanita’s Menudo”, out of a can, off a catering truck, on a cold rainy morning with a bunch of fellow roofers and laborer’s."

Been there bro, worse, truck had no salsa and only decaffeinated coffee. In crystals, para acabar de chingar!

"Bring me a large bowl of Menudo ! Y oiga mesero! Traer me cebolla, cilantro, limon, oregano, y chile Nuevo Mexico, tortillas de maiz, y una botella de Dos Equis, pero de voladas!"

Asi mero maestro! And I tell the waiter, I want it on the on the double quick, and as to make my point, I always lay my old trusty Heckler & Koch MP-5K on the table, a nine-millimeter "lite" machine gun with a thirty-round magazine.
Of course with a muffler...wouldn't want the cliental to get all upset and fussy with the noise if the waiter is late...winky-winky, claro.

Anonymous said...

Santiago said...
...ruminations of an old cholo,

PS. Now that your book is selling Wally, You'll have leverage to name THAT SECOND BOOK - "Southern Soldiers". Don Quixote will I am sure, email you some humble suggestion's to insure that it becomes a blockbuster


That is an excellent idea, let me suggest a few titles

1) the fairy tales of and cholo

2) mystical mexican mafia

3) santiago meets Don Q. in therapy

4) mayates and the mexican mafia myths

5) sureno fables

jethro said...

Fewer migrants mean more benefits,0,2610312.story?

As immigration enforcement takes hold, jobs begin to open up to less-skilled Americans.

By Mark Krikorian

September 24, 2007

Immigration hawks have been on a winning streak lately. An unprecedented surge of public outrage at the prospect of amnesty for illegal immigrants led to the defeat in June of the Senate immigration bill and the probable end of President Bush's dream for comprehensive immigration reform. And that was merely the latest in a series of victories for supporters of tighter controls, including the Real ID Act of 2005, the Secure Fence Act of 2006, proliferating enforcement efforts at the state and local levels and a new package of modest but meaningful enforcement measures announced last month by the Department of Homeland Security.

What of the results? Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff told The Times that "there will be some unhappy consequences for the economy out of doing this." While the enforcement climate is still too new to show results in government data one way or the other, Chertoff's prediction doesn't appear to be playing out. On the contrary, there is extensive anecdotal evidence that enforcement is actually having its desired effects: More illegal aliens are going home, leading to improved conditions for American workers and communities.

The first consequence of stepped-up enforcement is attrition of the illegal population -- a steady decrease in the total number of illegal aliens as more people give up and go home. Attrition is the real alternative to amnesty, and we're seeing it work.

The Arizona Republic ran a story last month explaining how migrants were leaving the state in anticipation of tough new immigration rules. Public radio station WBUR in Boston reported that "in the midst of the debate about immigrants coming to America, something unusual is happening in Massachusetts: Brazilian immigrants are quietly packing up and leaving." And the Chicago Tribune, reporting on the Pennsylvania town at the forefront of the resistance to illegal immigration, has written that "over the summer, when Hazleton officials created the nation's first ordinance aimed at driving away undocumented residents, thousands of people apparently packed up and left."

Far from having "unhappy consequences," these developments are improving the economic bargaining power of less-skilled American workers. The Rocky Mountain News reported that in Greeley, Colo., "the line of applicants hoping to fill jobs vacated by undocumented workers taken away by immigration agents at the Swift & Co. meat-processing plant . . . was out the door." New England Cable News reported that only after a raid on a plant making leather goods for the military in New Bedford, Mass., were Americans and legal immigrants able to get hired. As one new employee said of the raid: "In a way, you know, it's sad, and then in a way it's good because at least it gives people that were not employed for so many years . . . a break to be able to work and support their families."

When illegal aliens were removed from a Crider Poultry plant in Stillmore, Ga., the Atlanta Journal Constitution and the Wall Street Journal documented the benefits to local workers. The plant raised wages significantly, began offering free shuttles from nearby towns and provided free rooms in a company-owned dormitory. For the first time, Crider sought applicants from the state unemployment office and began hiring probationers and men from a local homeless mission. And, as the Journal noted, "for the first time since significant numbers of Latinos began arriving in Stillmore in the late 1990s, the plant's processing lines were made up predominantly of African Americans."

Better enforcement doesn't result only in economic improvements. While there is an ongoing scholarly debate about the overall crime rates of immigrants versus the native-born, there's no doubt that tougher enforcement has had a notable effect on gang activity. In an upcoming study, my Center for Immigration Studies reports that using immigration law against gangs has helped bring about a 39% drop in gang activity in the Washington suburb of Fairfax County, and Dallas police report a 20% drop in the murder rate as a result of the same initiative.

Of course, the consequence of uncontrolled immigration that most ordinary Americans see is what political scientist Peter Skerry calls "social disorder." Hazleton offers a good example: While cleaning graffiti from her building, a local locksmith told the Tribune that "about the same time the ordinance passed, the whole tone of the street changed. Virtually overnight, it was a totally different place."

As recent enforcement victories are sustained and expanded, we can begin to document the benefits in other areas: less stress on hospital emergency rooms, less-crowded classrooms, slower growth in government social spending. But the results we've seen so far are clear: We can get illegal aliens to return home, and doing so will improve conditions in American communities. Why didn't we start doing this a long time ago?

Anonymous said...


don quixote said...

Good article about Ken Burns documentary on WW2 and how he omitted any mention of Latino's great service to the country until he was forced to include a small insert.

Roberto Lovato in the Huffington Post
"Saving Private Ramos"

Eighty-seven year-old Carlos Alvarez remembers his first experience of war, when he dodged the bullets of Japanese gunners and airplanes in the Philippine jungles during World War II. Now, 60-plus years later, he's on the front lines of a media war pitting grassroots Latino groups against the multimillion-dollar guns of PBS, its corporate sponsors and legendary filmmaker, Ken Burns.

Since learning that "The War" initially excluded him and the more than 500,000 other Latinos who fought, were injured or died in World War II, Alvarez says he was "upset but not surprised" by what he calls "Mr. Burns negligence for omitting the Hispanic WW II experience." Rather than fume about it, he and other friends in Brawley, CA collected money and took out a full page ad in their local newspaper. The former Private First Class, in the Army's 7Th Cavalry's Troop G, hopes that his campaign would "make people think and realize World War II was not fought and won solely by white males."

Though "The War" now includes 28 minutes of footage of two Latino veterans, most major leaders of Latino organizations, members of the Congressional Hispanic Congress and a constellation of grassroots groups across the country remain dissatisfied. Different groups with different agendas have organized a number of activities to show dissatisfaction including protests, forums and possibly even boycotts of PBS and their corporate sponsors Anheuser Busch, General Motors and Bank of America.

Burns and PBS have, for the better part of the year, been embroiled in the "War" controversy since early March, when UT Austin scholar Maggie Rodriguez and several other Latino leaders discovered that the film excluded Latino vets. After an initial March 6th meeting between activists, PBS CEO Paula Kerger and advertising and public relations executive Lionel Sosa (a PBS board member and former chief Latino strategist to Ronald Reagan and Karl Rove), Rodriguez and several other Latino leaders organized the "Defend the Honor" (DTH) campaign. After initially agreeing to some of the demands of DTH, Burns - who was not in the initial meeting - held a separate meeting in May with two other Latino groups, the American GI Forum (AGIF) and the Hispanic Association on Corporate Responsibility (HACR) and eventually reached what HACR Chairman, Manuel Mirabal called "an understanding" about the film.

Burns, PBS and their supporters are now on the offensive. In addition to making Latinos a visible part of their unprecedented $10 million marketing campaign for the film, they have also heavily promoted the deal struck with AGIF and HACR. The PBS local affiliate in Orange County said that "the vast majority of concerned groups and individuals have found the PBS response and additional materials produced for the series to be a good solution to the matter" while noting that "there are still a couple of fringe groups who refuse to be satisfied." Burns went on the attack during a speech at the National Press Club, saying that no Latinos came forward when he put out the call for war stories in the four towns spotlighted in the film: Mobile, Ala., Luverne, Minn., Waterbury, Conn., and Sacramento, Calif. Burns also stated that no one came forward to provide him with databases and other archival material about Latinos for the film.

In response, DHS leaders point out that the filmmakers selected sites with miniscule Latino populations: Latinos in Luverne make up 1.56 percent of the population and 1.42 percent of Mobile. They also say that the little, if any (Rodriguez does not believe Burns did any) outreach to the 15 percent of Sacramento's population that is Latino and Westbury's 21.7 percent - took place only after the DHS campaign forced PBS and Burns to hire filmmaker Hector Galán in April. The interviews included in the film came from Los Angeles, which along with San Antonio, is home to the overwhelming majority of Latino WWII veterans.

As they prepare to launch rallies, protests, forums and other activities criticizing the film, Rodriguez and her colleagues say that PBS and Burns's response is actually helping shape the Latino civil rights tradition that began when veterans returned to fight discrimination they found following WWII, a tradition that led to the establishment of most major Latino civil rights organizations. Says Rodriguez, "History tells us that whenever civil rights groups demand their rights, the inevitable response is that they are called "fringe" and "deviant."

For his part, Alvarez also said he would continue to the fight for memory. "Even though we were treated as second class citizens (and worse) we served, fought, bled and died to free countries occupied by the enemy powers and to ensure this country remained free. Yet our contributions and sacrifices remain largely unknown or ignored by most of our fellow citizens. Perhaps my little statement will open a few eyes."

Anonymous said...

DQ orders the waitress manly like:

"Bring me a large bowl of Menudo ! Y oiga mesero! Traer me cebolla, cilantro, limon, oregano, y chile Nuevo Mexico, tortillas de maiz, y una botella de Dos Equis, pero de voladas!"

Then he doesn't leave a tip, but the waitress smiles her homey smile and she so happy ------- because she already spit in that foolios menudo....

don quixote said...

Count on Homero/Jethro to come up with some anti Mexican bs from the pinhead of Mark Krikorian, who is a star of the right wing white supremicist types.

These "opinions" of Krikorian are just that, opinions based on nothing but heresay and prejucice.
Here's some info on Krikorians group (think tank),"Center for Immigration Studies"
According to the "Social Contract Press", a Southern Poverty Law Center designated hate group, Mark Krikorian moderated a debate in which he asked in the beginning of it,
"Since Jews can engage in ‘identity politics’ to advance Jewish interests can’t white, Christian Americans also engage in ‘identity politics’ to advance their group interests?"
SHit we might as well have heard more anti Mexican shit from Jethro himself.

More about Krikorian and his pointy hatted friends
The link between Anti-Immigrant groups and White Supremacists.

By Eternal Hope
There is a major problem with the American public in dealing with the Immigration debate - they do not understand the type of the enemy that they are going up against. And many here who would favor more restrictions on immigration do not understand the xenophobic and racist biases that many anti-immigration groups have.

There is plenty of room for reasonable policy debate on the Immigration issue. But the debate must be waged with facts and figures from non-partisan sources. People who use the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) do not understand the prejudices inherent in their studies. The CIS, as well as many other anti-immigrant groups, were founded by one man - a known White Supremacist by the name of John Taunton.

On the other hand, CIS is part of a whole network of anti-immigrant groups who were founded and funded by Taunton and who were created for the purpose of making racially prejudiced assumptions on foreigners mainstream. CIS appears like a mainstream organization. But in fact, they show the same kind of inflammatory rhetoric that comes from Tancredo and the rest of the anti-immigration groups that Taunton founded:

Go eat some Menudo Jethro! And spice it up with some bs, racism, and fear.


Anonymous said...

Flo's Restaurant in "Friendly El Monte" corner of Peck rd. and Ranchito has the best menudo on this side of town.

El Montero

Gava Joe said...

How trivial is all this? I didn't want to even enter the fray til Don Q started dropping dimes and pointing fingers. This guy's shouting out more names than he's taken on. A blind man could sense his insincerity, a sighted man might draw a bead. I'll do neither and just let the chips fall where they may.As another commenter in another place said: "the guy's got more bad moves than Britney at the Grammys".. I will uncategorically deny that I manned that other blog, and his analogy of the "Dorian Gray" sighting is enough to prompt a good strong gag..What tripe! Unfortunately his senile old self forgets that he used that scenario twicetimes in the past.. It's all too funny and kind of sad: that whole
"anonymouse, multi-personality" M.O. has come back to haunt the very house it was born in. This person, whoever it is works both sides of the street like a hooker w/a gorilla on her back.. That being said ,please withdraw me from the rolls of registered "Wallistas". I no longer have any respect for the fool who coined the term. I bought your book, read your book, and will reread your book when the snow flies out here; save my review for then, when maybe I'll be in more of an investigative mood. Right now I'm reading all this gritty noir stuff - fantasyland meets the hood seen through the eyes of a CRASH cop.. Be Well........

Anonymous said...


Ask Santiago he knows all about menudo, cops and tall tales.

Anonymous said...


Thanks for the story from the Los Angeles times, so much for the argument that the illegal-immigrants are good for our economy and who needs more gang-bangers from Mexico.

Wally and Sgt. Richard Valdemar should get together and write a book about all of the illegal-immigrant gang-bangers spreading like a bad plague all over our beautiful country. I’ve seen Sgt. Richard Valdemar on Full Disclosure Network trying to spread the word about this problem, but we really need massive national coverage about the illegal-alien Mexican gang problem. I believe the trend in the country is starting to change against allowing the illegal aliens to sneak across our border.

Thanks for the story from the Los Angeles times, so much for the argument that the illegal-immigrants are good for our economy and who needs more gang-bangers from Mexico.

Wally and Sgt. Richard Valdemar should also appear on the Lou Dobbs ahow on CNN and get the word out on the illegal aliens, sureno gangs and the Mexican Mafia. I wish Wally would get some national news service to interview him, that would be awesome.

Anonymous said...


A call for peace and unity between gangs is not enough and may seem preposterous to gang members due to bloodshed and the loss of friends and family. However, a vision must be created that calls for conciliation in order to realize a greater common and covert enemy. In order for this to happen, bonds between gang/prison leadership and academic intellectuals must be established. For decades, academics have attempted to stir the mainstream and middle-class with deep analysis of capitalism and U.S. domination. Yet due to complacency, the mainstream has been reluctant to respond (other than marching). I believe the focus of energy must be invested in the most marginalized population – the prisoner and gang member. It is important to consider that street-gang politics are dictated from behind prison walls. So it is in prison where we must start. Correspondence and book programs must be created and funded by academics, students and social activists. At the same time, prison gang leadership must be willing to be open to dialogue and provide protection for political prisoners. Prison gangs are the greatest potential for revolution!

In revolutionary struggle, your comrade from behind enemy lines,

Santiago said...

don quixote said... Welcome back Wally, hope your book tour was successful.
Just a bit of advice though Tony, as you're hustling your book, and I couldn't help but notice the plethora of rich looking blue haired old ladies in places like Montecito and Palm Springs, I would advise you to take advantage of the opportunity to "council, advise, and escort" some of these old widows.
Hey Wally, I couldn't help but notice the stars in their eyes when you were speaking. Face it you have a certain amount of charisma with the wealthy Matronly set, and I say take advantage of it.

Our debonair babe magnet was dressed in hip threads that made him the Mack Daddie of 1990's cool (-: But next next time compadre Wally, let me take you to Sy Devore's, home boy. They will have you walking the line between urban Gatsby and modern mogul, and the only sartorial statement you'll be making is that you expect to be taken very, very seriously.

Wally, your a good sport, and I'd like to sip some of Mexico's finest with you and DQ some day. We'll toast to Pedro Armendariz, Joan Crawford, and of course the dapper Jack Carson.

Santiago said...

If one looks closely, you can make out that Broderick Crawford is actually driving the dam car from the rear seat...with one hand! And still hanging on to the damn donut with the other, all the while, being chased by the real CHP and driving in the middle of lanes. Que locuras.

Anonymous said...


StillNoScript said...

Wallistas, long time.

Spent a couple of days in Los Angeles. When the Raiders aren't on t.v. in Sacramento, what's a part time film student who's familiar with a few dives in the Southland (CA, that is) to do? Turns out, the fucking game isn't on in L.A., either. Watched it at a sports bar. What a game. BLOCKED!! Ha ha. Fuck Cleveland.

But that's not why I'm here. On Monday, I decided to take a drive through various sections of L.A.'s concrete Vietnam. My first journey was up Fig, and, what I saw just about blew my mind. A black guy right at the intersection of 43rd and Fig. The same intersection where an off duty police officer exchanged fire with some Avenues homies in 1999, an event Wally blogged about. But, this wasn't just some black guy. This brutha had himself a girlfriend who was full blown Chicana. Nice looking mama, too. This black guy was not a dark complected Mexican. In fact, I would have thought he were Terrell Owens if he were in town. But, even that's not it. Across the street, on the Jack in the Box side, is about 5 young Avenues homies, white t's, creased kakhi pants, clean blue Dodger hats, visible tats....and they could care less. Undaunted. Doesn't look much like a neighborhood where a racial cleansing is taking place. Are we absolutely certain that beside the one fucked up incident where the gangsters said to each other "want to kill a nigger"? (which was almost a decade ago, mind you), that most of the drama in Highland isn't just drug territory squabbles, squabble that may have perhaps been settled years ago? I'm not saying people who speak of the racial cleansing are exaggerating, I'm just telling you what I saw.

From there on out, almost all over L.A. I saw blacks and Chicanos living peacefully amongst each other. Just about every block you saw black and Mexican kids on bikes, side by side, chasing down ice cream trucks.

I took Western from the 10 freeway to Torrance, and just about every liquor store had bald headed Surenos mixing it up and bullshitting with blacks. I'm not saying they were joined in hands and singing Santana's "Maria", but they certainly weren't shooting at each other, or fighting, or even arguing, for that matter. The body language suggested something more like, "Yeh, the Lakers are gonna be tight this year."

Again, just saying what I saw. If there is racial cleansing going on in Los Angeles, by either blacks or Latinos, it certainly is not widespread across the city.

Race war mongers who regularly comment here, you've got some splainin' to do...

StillNoScript said...

And, Wally, tell me that some of the crowds you spoke to had better looking women than that country club speech we saw on Youtube?

StillNoScript said...

Oh, one more thing, I took El Segundo through Compton, as well ...if there was any part of this drive where my ass was on the edge of my seat, this was it. Compton just looks scary. Old buildings, stores out of business. The big rig trucks doing 90 mph on El Segundo to avoid being the next Reginald Denny. Bunch of pussies. One almost clipped a kid on a bike. I was a little nervous, too. But I had control of myself.

Anyhow, my question.


You read that correctly.


In Compton. Saw two riding side by side on El Segundo. Then hit a right on Long Beach, and there were two more! Was this throwback day for the gangs? What great theater for the LASD to participate, and have us our first high speed horse chase caught on camera. In a city where drugs and guns are being pumped into the streets from god knows where, those taking the brunt of it all might as well have a little fun and confuse the suburbans watching safely from their homes.

Would one of you guys that knows anyone from Compton ask them what the fuck is up with this? Same goes for you coppers. Dial in one of your sheriff buddies out there and have him explain this for us. Thanks in advance.

Anonymous said...

Don Quixote was the perennial forgotten child. He obviously had siblings who got all of his parents attention. This caused him to act out, getting attention any way he could. In grade school, the school psychologist diagnosed him as hyperactive and a doctor prescribed him meds.
As an adolescent, he tried to fit in and would do degrading things if it earned him the accolades of his schoolmates.
These very same peers however, realized that Don Quixote had severe self-esteem problems and goaded him into doing things that made Don Quixote look like the pendejo he was. They would then sit back and laugh at him.
As an adult it continues today. Don Quixote roams from place to place looking for friends. He is successful in the short term, until they realize his mental health issues.
It's all ok with Don Quixote as long as he gets the attention his mommy and daddy never gave him.

don quixote said...

Still No Script on the truth;

"Again, just saying what I saw. If there is racial cleansing going on in Los Angeles, by either blacks or Latinos, it certainly is not widespread across the city.

Race war mongers who regularly comment here, you've got some splainin' to do..."

Good observations SNS! This is what many of us have been saying all along! SUre, there are racial and ethnic confrontations all the time in LA, it's a megalopolis that is populated by more cultures than probably any city in the world, and with this comes clashes between people with different cultural mores, but despite that if one has the capacity to overlook certain cultural distinctions and oddities,(especially with the first generations) and isn't afraid to show some goodwill and openess it can be an interesting city and a lot of fun.

On my own street in Highland Park I have neighbor's and friends for many years that are ANglo, Chicano, Mexicans, Koreans, Chinese, Filipinos and Central Americans, and VIetnamese. The first generations of these family's don't mix much although friendly and always ready to say hello if your willing, but the children and grandchildren of these different ethnic groups (except for the Chinese and VIetnamese for some reason), all mix it up and are friends from school days. It's a great thing to see and despite what the hater's say it's probably going to be the savior of this country in the future.

SNS I think you are thinking the same thing that many are, the whole so called racial cleansing conflict is mainly just a once in a while gang (or in the prisons where it definitely exist's), thing that certain groups with an axe to grind and an agenda to push have embellished on.
Sure in LA many people (including myself at times),refer to others in what polite society may be considered derogatory terms, but on an individual basis they can be friends.
I know this seems hard to believe but unless a person lives in a large multi ethnic city like LA then they wouldn't understand this phenomenon!

good post!

don quixote said...

Poor Gava Joe, still in denial, a now outted, bonfide member of the petty, sniping, no balls, back bitting, no original input, strictly reactionary, juvenile, anonymouse's.
Sad commentary on a once proud wallista.
Reduced to a dispicable "judas goat" like the ones at the slaughter house, with a bell around thier necks, put into the mix with the sheep, and then lead them up the ramp to meet an unsuspected fate.
Yeah Joe it's a tragic thing to see and for the fourth time, again, I'll say it's like finding the scary and diseased painting of Dorian Gray in some closet, check yourself out, sitting over there at BITH with the anonymouse's posting to each other over and over again about Wally's "In The Hat Blog" and your former wallista's.
Sick shit GJ, but you anonymouse's aren't just satisfied with your mutual plotting, snipping, and whinning about Wally's "In The Hat", no you sick fucks can't just sit in the dark playing with yourselves, no, you need some attention and self aggrandizement, so you come crawling back over here,
well play your games Gavacho Joe, be true to yourself as weird and creepy as that is, sit around with the mice and try to figure out if I'm Wally or if Santiago is me or I'm Professor Irwin Corey, or Big Betty, or Jim, ad naseum, that way you stay occupied and not risk getting your little mouse tails caught in another trap.

Well that's my last rant on these peceta's so my advice anonymouse's is to go play in your PC yard (BITH), and be happy.

Afuera Maldito's!

Anonymous said...

My dad just got out of Pelican bay. He told me the Eme shot callers and Norteno shot callers are actually trying to set a cease fire, but no one wants the push. While they sit up there drinking Pruno together, the rest keep talking about problems. I read it here a while ago and it is true. The N/S S/S beef does flare up adn down, but for the most they can share yards with no problem.

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript said...
Oh, one more thing, I took El Segundo through Compton, as well ...if there was any part of this drive where my ass was on the edge of my seat, this was it. Compton just looks scary. Old buildings, stores out of business.


You forget to take a drive through all the housing projects in East Los Angeles and South Central.
There are many areas worse than what you visited, you should have asked for directions if you wanted to take the ghetto tour.

I'm sure when you saw the McDonalds on Figureroa you said this area does not look that bad/poor. But yet that is the "ghetto" the Avenues gang is from, not all gangs members are living in abject poverty as you think. There are gangs in nice areas (much nicer than on Figueroa) as well, it’s not just the poverty.

Anonymous said...


So much for your theory that all the different races are in love with each other in Los Angeles.


Tensions flare at Hawthorne High
Fifty are involved in the scuffle, in which students hurled drinks at one another. Race may have been a factor.

Anonymous said...

don quixote said...
Holy Cahuama's!

"Is there an echo in here? Nice to read all my own old blogs"

Will someone once and for all inform the many facets of this person that what he puts up are COMMENTS!! Not "blogs"..His ignorance is annoying..

And why doesn't he learn to post links instead of 2ft. of someone else's text?

Anonymous said...

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Santiago said...

Anonymouse said...
Don Quixote roams from place to place looking for friends.

_Actually_ you got it completely wrong Jethro, you see, it really goes like this...

Oh well Im the type of guy who will never settle down
Where pretty girls are well, you know that Im around
I kiss em and I loveem cause to me theyre all the same
I hug em and I squeeze em they dont even know my name...

Oh well theres flo on my left and theres mary on my right
And janie is the girl with that Ill be with tonight
And when she asks me which one I love the best
I tear open my shirt I got rosie on my chest

Oh well I roam from town to town
I go through life without a care
til Im as happy as a clown
With my two fists of iron and Im going somewhere...

Im the type of guy that likes to roam around
Im never in one place I roam from town to town
And when I find myself a-fallin for some girl
I hop right into that car of mine and ride around the world
Yeah Im el mero....emero.

PS. BTW, This is the year Jethro's age reaches his IQ...50!

Also, your business acumen has become apparent, as you have led your "Barf In The Hat" blog into comment bankruptcy. You have brought unplanned derision on yourself. Pobrecito.

Anonymous said...

Yessiree folks, another pearl of wisdom from StillNoScript here at
Wally's. It's AMAZING how much history he can know about the jura in the city, and their history of brutality and racism, yet have no fucking clue about the city itself.
There's ALWAYS been charros y vaqueros y negro cowboys in the heart of this city. Fuck him and his wealth (or lack thereof) of information.
World Champion bullrider Charles Sampson (black) got his start riding horses at a stable in Watts.
He used to hang around with Athens Park Boys.
World Champion rodeo bullfighter
Dwayne Hargo (black) used to ride at the same place. A bunch of old black cowboys would meet at the stables, and a lot of times after the hooch got passed around, they would saddle up and ride through the streets. It wasn't what you would call an everyday occurence, but it damn sure wasn't rare.
Now with the influx of Mexicanos to the area, well, any Americam cowboy worth his salt knows that vaqueros are the best horseman who ever lived. So the progression would be ala natural that we would see both blacks and vaqueros horseback in the big city of LA.
There now, there's your western history lesson for the day.

Anonymous said...

Question for the day:
Does Wally get more pleasure having
Don Culo suck his dick;
or does he get more pleasure from
watching Don Culo do the cyber gymnastics pretending to be others
and in the course sucking his own dick?
Take up yoga Don Culo.

Anonymous said...

I was told EME and sureno gangs controlled all drug sales in the barrio.,0,5891336.story?

"We believe this is a significant source for drug sales in and around skid row," Vernon said. "The persons involved here do not appear to be related to gangs, but they have a big operation that was intended for an open market."

Maria Castellon, 47, the duplex owner, was arrested early Wednesday on suspicion of felony cocaine possession for sale. She is being held in lieu of $2.03-million bail.

LAPD finds weapons, drugs stockpiled at day-care center

Raid on Boyle Heights duplex uncovered 14 kilos of cocaine, 50 pounds of marijuana, and $300,000 stashed alongside children's toys, police say.

Northsider said...

SNS said ...


You read that correctly.


In Compton. Saw two riding side by side on El Segundo. Then hit a right on Long Beach, and there were two more! Was this throwback day for the gangs? What great theater for the LASD to participate, and have us our first high speed horse chase caught on camera. In a city where drugs and guns are being pumped into the streets from god knows where, those taking the brunt of it all might as well have a little fun and confuse the suburbans watching safely from their homes.

Would one of you guys that knows anyone from Compton ask them what the fuck is up with this? Same goes for you coppers. Dial in one of your sheriff buddies out there and have him explain this for us. Thanks in advance.

10:16 PM

And they call us Farmers eh?

Anonymous said...

SNS likes to point out the poll numbers for the 30% approval of the Iraq war, and how it's consistently dropping as time goes on.
I wonder what his take is on congress' 11% approval rating.
You betcha boys and girls, our beloved democratic majority in congress have snapped this country right back into shape.
By the way, your silence is deafening on the Norman Hsu issue.
We can't run a guy that can beat Bush, and we get the lowest congressional approval rating of all time while we're the majority.
I've been a democrat since 1978, but I don't know how much longer I can tread water.
It's idiots like this moron SNS that is sinking our party deeper than the Titanic.
WACKOS.....NEO-LIBS...LEFT-WING NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

big betty said...

Don Quixote makes a lot of sense. He's the only vato who keeps his cool amidst all this cacada. Keep him close Wally, and hit the streets soon. Between you and dons wise commentary, how can we not be informed.. thanks to you both..

Anonymous said...


Santiago said...

Back to LEAVE IT TO BEAVER, One of the characters was a smarmy young boy named Eddie Haskell (Barf in the hat). Eddie was a friend to the two main characters, Beaver and his brother Wally. Now, one of the funniest things that Eddie (Barf) always did was give what seemed like a phony compliment to Beaver's mom whenever he stopped over. "What a lovely hair style you have today Mrs. Cleaver," Eddie would gush (what a nice job you did Wally, in pointing out bla, bla, bla, ad naseum, Barf gushes). Mrs. Cleaver would always smile as if she knew that Eddie was trying to butter her up for something he may want later...Well, no different today, Wally also knows las movidas.

que locuras said...

I see Don Quackers has no shame, now your telling us you have black friends. I wonder what Santigao has to say about that, what do you say we ask him. Oh wait, I see Santiago is out on a date with Big Betty and Cybil.

SNS may be a loco liberal but at least he is not a shame-less kiss ass like some others who quickly come to mind. SNS I hoped you enjoyed your cruise thru the ghettos of L.A., did you see any LAPD cops cracking any gang-banger's head? I hear the LAPD cops enjoy eating menudo with old cholos.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
My dad just got out of Pelican bay. He told me the Eme shot callers and Norteno shot callers are actually trying to set a cease fire, but no one wants the push. While they sit up there drinking Pruno together, the rest keep talking about problems. I read it here a while ago and it is true. The N/S S/S beef does flare up adn down, but for the most they can share yards with no problem

This is just my opinion , but I believe it's only a matter of time before these to mega forces team up and control Califas.

Anonymous said...

don quixote said...
Poor Gava Joe, still in denial, a now outted, bonfide member of the petty, sniping, no balls, back bitting, no original input, strictly reactionary, juvenile, anonymouse's.
Sad commentary on a once proud wallista.
Reduced to a dispicable "judas goat" like the ones at the slaughter house, with a bell around thier necks, put into the mix with the sheep, and then lead them up the ramp to meet an unsuspected fate.

This sounds like a good self assesment. Are you describing yourself Don Culote?

DQ KILLA said...

Don Quakers said...

check yourself out, sitting over there at BITH with the anonymouse's posting to each other over and over again about Wally's "In The Hat Blog" and your former wallista's.
Sick shit GJ, but you anonymouse's aren't just satisfied with your mutual plotting, snipping, and whinning about Wally's "In The Hat", no you sick fucks can't just sit in the dark playing with yourselves, no, you need some attention and self aggrandizement, so you come crawling back over here,
well play your games Gavacho Joe, be true to yourself as weird and creepy as that is, sit around with the mice and try to figure out if I'm Wally or if Santiago is me or I'm Professor Irwin Corey, or Big Betty, or Jim, ad naseum, that way you stay occupied and not risk getting your little mouse tails caught in another trap.

Look at the old fool trying to act like he wasn't at Barf In The Hat talking shit about Wally too. But I guess that's typical of Don Q. He's a 2 faces backstabbing mother F'r. Hey Don who coined the term Barffly's ?

don quixote said...

Hey Northsider, you ask about the horses in Compton.
In the LA area there are still a few area's where the cities are zoned for horses and farm animals can be found.
COmpton used to be a kind of country, rural area as were other cities in the LA basin. I have a friend from COmpton a "Chicano" whose family had a hog farm there for many years, they also had horses, goats ect.
THere many other area's like Compton in the LA metro with a farm like atmosphere that are gone or are rapidly being gobbled up by urban growth.
when I was a kid almost the entire OC and IE was rural and agricultural in nature. We had family we used to visit in Pacoima and back in the 50's into the 60's there were still dirt streets and some people had wooden outhouse's.

Many of the Mexican varrios in the So Cal area started around families that worked and were housed by employers of argricultural or farming business's, EL Monte HIcks, Artesia, Canta Rana's, Sotel, Carmelas, Canoga, Colonia's Oxnard,.
WHen I was a kid an old Chicano was telling me about when he was a kid and in the San Fernando Valley all the communities were argricultural and worked by Mexican's. He told me that the different varrios had a "grapevine" of communication's that consisted of whistle's and smoke signals, and people getting news from men on horseback. This was in the first part of the 20th century, not that long ago.
Still have friends who go horseback riding at the stables behind Hansen Dam (Pacoima area) and out along the Rio HOndo in the Puente, Pico Rivera area.

At one time Los ANgeles County was the number one agricultural center in the United States, and there are still some remnants left.


mario puzo said...

Is this the blog that's about Gangs, crime, cops, politics in Los Angeles and old cholos with Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID)?

I enjoy reading fictional stories written by old cholos with DID, they have the best imaginations. I was reading a blog written by retired gang cop Sgt, Richard Valdemar, but the stories were too predictable. I’m sure you all know who Sgt.Valdemar is, everybody in the L.A. gang scene knows him.

I am glad I stumbled onto this blog InTheHat; where I have been reading the archives and the stories written old cholos with (DID), the stories are, imaginative, riveting and entertaining. I enjoy reading the stories on a Sunday morning while eating a bowl of menudo.


don quixote said...

Hey SNS the anonymouse is claiming he's a Democrat, (like he claims he's HIspanic and other bullshit claims), whaddya mean "We" Kimosabe?

Here's a story on another "NeoCon" from up in your territory. "Roseville"

Anonymouse says it was because the Dems ran "radical left wingers" like Kerry and Gore that they lost the elections Gore, Kerry, radicals? how about stolen elections and vanished votes?).

Now these wing nut right wingers new angle is to claim that everyone is a scumbag and a crook, not just the dozens of phony ass Republicans that got thier tits in a wringer.
It seems they are resorting to the old tact of trying to disillusion voters from voting for anyone, bullshitting, portraying the whole process as hopeless, because the Republicans don't want the working person to vote or they would be out on their collective ass's tan pronto!

These phony's and scam artist's have always counted on people not voting. That's why they have a vote on a Tuesday during working hours, why aren't the polls open all day Saturday?
Now the Repub's are trying and pushing for other disincentives like fingerprinting, ID checks, English only ballots, confusing computor screens, anything to keep working people from voting.
I say Vote! throw the corrupt ruling class's out!

Here's the latest phony right wing "super patriot" "Christian" family values Republican "outted"

Latest news from AP

Doolittle, six aides hit with grand jury subpoenas

A federal grand jury has issued document subpoenas to six aides to embattled GOP Rep. John Doolittle (Calif.), who is under investigation by the Justice Dept. over his ties to imprisoned former Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff.

The subpoenas were issued to Ron Rogers, Doolittle's chief of staff; Dan Blankenburg, deputy chief of staff; Alisha Perkins, scheduler; Evan Goitein, legislative director; Martha Franco, senior executive assistant; and Gordon Hinkle, field rep.

The subpoenas are the latest sign that the federal corruption probe of Doolittle is continuing to gather steam. Doolittle's home was searched by FBI agents earlier this year. The agents were looking for any evidence regarding Doolittle's ties to Abramoff. Julie Doolittle, the congressman's wife, did consulting work for Abramoff, and Doolittle himelf wrote letters to the Bureau of Indian Affairs on behalf of several of Abramoff's Indian gaming clients.

Doolittle has denied any wrongdoing, and he has accused the Justice Dept. of harassing him and his wife, but after his home was searched, House GOP leaders forced him to give up his seat on the powerful Appropriations Committee.

Doolittle's office could not be reached for comment on the subpoenas at press time.

Update: The Associated Press is reporting that Dollittle has been subpoenaed for his legislative records going back 11 years

No anonymouse, it seems they're not all crooked and phony, it's 99% your own right wing Republicans that are the culprit's


don quixote said...

Dios mio! Could the naysayers possibly be wrong? Could it be that "intervention" and using communities based organizations can be effective in battling gang homicides instead of trying to arrest our way out of the problem as "Chief Bratton" says.
Chief Bratton working with the community's instead of the old "us against them" attitudes? Salud!

Big drop in homicides in L.A.

Police Chief William J. Bratton believes the city will end the year with the lowest number of killings in 37 years.
The turnaround comes after a high-profile program that enlists the help of gang intervention workers.

By Hector Becerra and Richard Winton, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
September 28, 2007
Los Angeles has seen a significant decline in homicides so far this year -- including a 50% drop in killings in some South L.A. neighborhoods, such as Watts -- as police embarked on a new strategy involving asking ex-gang members to help prevent violence.

The city got through the traditionally violent summer months with 167 gang-related homicides, compared with 214 for the same period last year. Homicides citywide are now at levels not seen since 1970.

The drop comes nine months after Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Los Angeles Police Chief William J. Bratton vowed to crack down on gangs. But though previous anti-gang campaigns have involved mass arrests and high-profile sweeps, this effort has been more targeted.

And in its most radical shift, the LAPD is putting aside decades of suspicion and turning for help to gang intervention workers, many of whom were gang members.

"For the first time, we're requiring captains to call the gang interventionists, give them the word on the shooting and get out there and avert another homicide," Deputy Police Chief Charlie Beck said.

"We are pretty good at solving homicides, but we are trying to get better at preventing the next homicide."

Beck and other LAPD officials said the intervention workers have been particularly good at "rumor control," calming tensions after a shooting to prevent retaliation.

It's a delicate dance, with gang interventionists taking pains to not look as though they're directly working with police out of fear of losing street credibility. They will help ease tensions, but most refuse to provide detectives with gang intelligence.

"That's a paradigm-changing breakthrough," said Connie Rice, a civil rights attorney who was hired by Los Angeles to evaluate its anti-gang programs. "They know they can't contaminate each other, and they're figuring the lines that can't be crossed, so they're negotiating that right now. I know that work is going forward."

The decline in homicides underscores an 8% decline in overall violent crime in Los Angeles, bucking a trend that has seen violent crime inch up in other major U.S. cities.

Homicides in communities patrolled by the county Sheriff's Department and police officers from neighboring cities were down about 15%, according to sheriff's statistics.

Overall, Los Angeles has recorded 351 homicides so far this year, with Bratton saying he believes the city will end the year with the lowest number of killings in 37 years (in 1970, there were 394 homicides). Authorities believe the help of gang intervention workers has made a difference, but they acknowledge that they can't fully explain the drop.

Averting conflictIn June, 16-year-old Dovon Harris and some friends got into a quarrel with some other teens near his Watts school. They then boarded a bus, but the other teens followed them in cars. When Dovon got off the bus, two gang members pulled up and fired into the crowd of boys and girls. Dovon was struck and killed.

Police called intervention workers and asked them to hit the streets. Within a week, there was an arrest, and no retaliatory shootings.

"Without a doubt, this would have started a shooting war," Beck said. "Usually this would have started a cycle where there would have been a series of retaliatory shootings day after day. But that didn't happen here."

In a first, all of the LAPD's probationary officers in South Bureau divisions attended a June session led by gang interventionists at the department's training academy. Another session conducted by law enforcement experts dealt with gathering intelligence and interrogation techniques.

There are dozens of gang intervention groups around L.A. -- some funded by the city or county, others by nonprofits and religious organizations. Some have won praise -- but others have received law enforcement scrutiny, including one Eastside organization that prosecutors say continued to operate as a criminal enterprise under the guise of keeping teens out of gangs.

LAPD officials acknowledge that not all gang intervention programs are perfect -- but they believe some can help prevent more violence.

Community activists and gang workers say they have noticed the difference.

"Gone are the days when law enforcement did its job and rounded up the shooters and the leaders or both, and everything would be OK," said Tony Massengale, senior human relations consultant for the county and a community organizer who has worked with gangs.

Anonymous said...,1,7763144.story?coll=la-headlines-california

L.A. gang leader's murder trial starts

Timothy McGhee is accused of three murders and six attempted murders.

McGhee, once one of the nation's most wanted fugitives, led about 200 gang members who claim an area around Los Feliz Boulevard between San Fernando Road and the Los Angeles River, police said. He has spent one-third of his life behind bars. Each time he was released, police say, crime increased in the Atwater Village area. He was captured in February 2003 after a multistate manhunt.

professor irwin corey said...

Don Quixote makes a lot of sense. He's the only vato who keeps his cool amidst all this cacada. Keep him close Wally, and hit the streets soon. Between you and dons wise commentary, how can we not be informed.. thanks to you both..

big betty said...

Don Q. says....
Dios mio! Could the naysayers possibly be wrong? Could it be that "intervention" and using communities based organizations can be effective in battling gang homicides instead of trying to arrest our way out of the problem as "Chief Bratton" says.
Chief Bratton working with the community's instead of the old "us against them" attitudes? Salud!

I still remember your debates with Jethro on this very subject. Jethro and the other log cabin republicans believe we can just arrest every gangster.

I see you have proven them wrong again; you are obviously a man with so much wisdom and knowledge. And don’t worry what the other fools say about you I’ve got you back compadre.

Anonymous said...

don culo now that you think sns is your friend all of the sudden all of your views seem to reflect his, now your not racist anymore and your political views seem to be following his.shameless your one sad motherfucker.

Gava Joe said...

What's the old fool putting up all that text for? And it's headed with don quixote said: Shit he didn't say anything. He's copy and pasting the whole fucking LA Times.. Post the LINK, dipshit. Besides the fact that no one cares what your dual opinions are..HaHaHaHa Yeha he's the wanderer yeah the wanderer...
Whoops I meant Runaround Sue.. Pinchi Pendejo del Highland Park.Who was that masked man? Why it's don crackers jousting windmills, and "blogging" his heart away. Sadly nobody listens or cares about his addled histrionics.. Menudo on the brain was the official diagnosos symptomatic with delusions of grandeur on the high side coupled with paranoid rants for the lows. But trust me, he's totally oblivious to his condition, So enjoy the spectacle..

Anonymous said...

Great clip from the El Paso Chamber of Commerce

Dedicated to DQ

StillNoScript said...

Que Locuras, I didn't see one cop. The entire drive. My dream is for a cop to pull me over and ask me "why I'm driving around" in the kind of neighborhood it is. Me and my lawyer are going to have a field day with him, and his career. None bit the hook. Good coppers.

My belief is that cops don't want suburban whites driving through the hood because they don't want us to see just how many non violent, law abiding citizens there are. Scorched Earth just sells. But they can only sell if it we're at home watching the news, where the news can report the stories and show the images they want us to see.

One drive through the hood, and the first thing you see is poverty, and then crack heads. And, in that order. You've got to drive around a little to find the gang members. I think that paints a pretty good picture of just how the eco system works.

Poverty = Drugs, for sell or use

Drugs = territorial disputes.

That's been the model since the crack epidemic, since gangs became the violent organizations we know of today. Before the crack hit, it was switch blade fights and a baseball bat upside the head. Violent behavior, no doubt. But you can only kill one person with a foreign object. AK 47's can wipe out an entire family, within seconds. And rarely is such a massacre committed without a dollar behind it, or a political movement. Where drugs rule the day, I'll go with the dollar theory.

DQ, Doolittle is a running joke up here. Great read, nonetheless.

And, interesting information about the horses in Compton. I really never knew L.A. had that much of a rural subculture.

DQ, being that so many in the Los Angeles region were considered farmers, was there ever conflict with them in EME's early years? Did people from East Los pick on them in the joint and call them farmers, whatever? I've always been meaning to ask that question. I was reading something about the camps in El Monte and thinking about that. El Monte Flores was once "Camp Flores", and basically a farming camp. Right?

Anyhow, I know a bunch of other politics play into Norte/Sur. But was there ever a time when L.A. was divided between city Chicanos and rural ones?

big betty said...

Hey SNS and Don Q check this story from the Los Angeles times.

SNS knows what the LAPD cops are really like. Jethro and the anony-mouse cop apolgist think cops the cops in L.A. can do no wrong.


L.A. cop resigns in wake of charges

Officer was videotaped applying a chokehold to a handcuffed teen inside police station. Under a plea deal, he will leave the department but not serve time in jail.

By Richard Winton, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
1:00 PM PDT, September 28, 2007

A Los Angeles police officer caught on videotape applying a chokehold to a handcuffed 16-year-old boy inside the Central Division station agreed today to resign from the department immediately in a deal that allows him to avoid time behind bars.

Sean Joseph Meade, 42, was sentenced by Superior Court Judge Rand Rubin to three years' summary probation, 200 hours of community service and an anger management course, which the officer has already completed, district attorney's office spokeswoman Sandi Gibbons said.

He pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor counts of fighting.

"Under this disposition he resigned from the LAPD this morning," Gibbons said.

An attorney for Meade could not be reached for comment.

Meade, a 14-year veteran, had faced charges of felony assault by a public officer and filing a false police report. The December 2006 incident was caught on videotape by a hidden camera that had been installed after some chairs at the station had been vandalized.

The videotape appears to show Meade locking the teenager's neck in a chokehold for several seconds, according to sources in the department who have viewed it.

Moments later, Meade allegedly removes the boy's handcuffs and challenges him to a fight, say the sources, who spoke on condition that they not be named.

Police Chief William J. Bratton ordered the officer's immediate arrest, saying the attack was "without any physical provocation" and some the LAPD would not condone or tolerate.

Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa at the time called it a "grave violation of the trust we place in law enforcement and an insult to the values of the brave men and women of the LAPD who put their lives on the line to keep us safe."

The teenager had been arrested on suspicion of a curfew violation in Chinatown after been seen walking on a street in Chinatown with a teenage girl. LAPD officers pulled over and questioned them, authorities said.

The officers called the girl's parents, who came to pick her up. The boy was arrested.

Meade allegedly attacked the boy in the juvenile holding room that faces out to the detective room, where the camera was positioned. The sources said the grainy video shows the alleged chokehold. Then commotion occurs off camera. The video lacks audio, so it is unclear whether a verbal altercation sparked the alleged attack.

Another officer in the area heard the disturbance and reported what he had heard to his commander. That sparked an internal affairs investigation.

Officers were unaware that the hidden camera had been set up in the detective room.

jethro said...

This is what happens when the mexicans form los angeles move into your small town. Don't tell me it's the poverty because the people living there before were living in the same conditions.


Small towns try to take on gangs,1,2249873.story
Frustrated at the Washington Legislature, municipalities pass their own ordinances to combat rising crime.
By Lynn Marshall, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 3, 2007

SUNNYSIDE, WASH. -- To a casual
visitor, this rural central Washington town doesn't look like it is experiencing a crisis. Along the Yakima Valley Highway, lined with tractor dealers, fast-food restaurants and strip malls, there are few signs of the gang activity that scares and frustrates residents, police and city officials.

But in neighborhoods north and south of town, graffiti, fights, vandalism and theft are commonplace. Two teenagers were wounded in a gang shooting this summer, and a 26-year-old woman died in a domestic incident involving gang members.

Amelia Rodriguez, 31, who lives with her sister's family south of downtown, barely let her two boys, 7 and 10, out of sight during their summer vacation.

"If I can see them, know who they talk to, where they are, I know they are safe," Rodriguez says.

An upswing in gang activity throughout rural Yakima Valley -- and what smaller towns like Sunnyside see as the state's failure to enact laws to combat it -- has led to a flurry of action at the city government level.

Sunnyside, population 14,000, passed an ordinance in May that made gang membership a crime and established civil penalties for the parents of juveniles involved in gang crime. Yakima, Union Gap and Centralia have passed similar ordinances.

Gang activity peaked in Yakima Valley in the early 1990s. Get-tough programs instituted by law enforcement produced a period of declining membership, but recently, drive-by shootings, drug crimes and tagging have increased dramatically.

"We needed another tool to tackle the problem before the situation runs away from us," says Sunnyside City Manager Bob Stockwell, who openly expressed his frustration with the Legislature's unsuccessful effort to tackle gang violence.

In its last session, the Legislature considered a statewide law to curb gang activity but shelved it and formed a task force to study the problem instead. The failure to enact a new law was seen as a betrayal by small towns. So Sunnyside took matters into its own hands.

The city's ordinance, which draws from California's Street Terrorism Enforcement and Prevention of 1988, makes gang membership a gross misdemeanor, punishable by a year in jail. Though the ordinance has been in place since late May, no one has been arrested.

"Only the Legislature can determine what constitutes a felony," City Atty. Mark Kunkler says. "The city is doing what it can, within its power."

Aaron Caplan, a lawyer with the American Civil Liberties Union of Washington, said the Sunnyside law was flawed.

"The main issue is that the definition of gangs and gang activity here is too vague," he said. "I have read the law about 20 times, and I still don't know what conduct is forbidden. In criminal law, it is crucial to define what conduct is off-limits to people. Otherwise the police decide." Caplan also said the ordinance opened a door to profiling.

A report by the cities of Yakima and Union Gap estimates that Yakima has 15 active gangs and more than 1,000 gang members, of whom about half are under 18. Sunnyside city officials say they have at least 250 resident gang members, most of them juveniles.

In Centralia, a city of 16,000 across the Cascade Mountains, 140 miles west of Sunnyside, gang activity has gone up 45% in the last year, Police Chief Robert Berg says. He says it is directly tied to the activity in the Yakima Valley.

All the towns involved are proceeding cautiously, giving police officers special training and working on other approaches, such as anti-gang programs in local schools.

Stockwell says of the ordinance: "We want to be sure we use it properly. I don't for a minute think the ACLU wants to protect criminals, and equally we don't want to violate anyone's rights."

Mike Beagan, president of the Northwest Gang Investigators Assn., a nonprofit group of law enforcement and legal professionals from Washington, Oregon, Idaho and Montana, says the law must be enforceable to have any effect.

"It has to have teeth, and that means it would have to stand up in court," Beagan said.

Beagan said that in many cases where cities had tried such ordinances, the measures had not stood up to legal scrutiny.

Kunkler is confident that the Sunnyside law is constitutional. An informal verbal opinion from the state attorney general's office, requested by Sunnyside, concurred. A formal opinion is pending.

Gang activity moves in cycles, upswings followed by downturns, according to the Justice Department's National Youth Gang Center. Beagan, also an investigator at the Oregon Department of Corrections, thinks there is a current surge in gang crime in Washington and Oregon.

He applauded the effort in Sunnyside and the other towns.

"They are doing something progressive, trying to deal with the gang issue before it becomes a huge problem, or a Los Angeles-sized problem," he says.

Anonymous said...


Santiago said...


In early 2002, 21-year-old Joshua Robert Brown, his head freshly shaved and a tattoo of a shield on his calf, was released from an Oregon prison. Three weeks later Brown, who is white, killed a black man named Anthony Cleo Wilson in a downtown Portland housing project. The slaying signaled the arrival of a violent criminal street gang: the European Kindred. Numbering in the hundreds by some accounts and armed, the EK say they are here to stay. According to the associate, the gang hid Brown after the killing. While the killing was in retribution for a “bunk” dope deal, for the gang members it also represented their beliefs. The associate blames the killing on the fact that Brown was forced to live with blacks in a halfway house. “If (Wilson) wasn’t a black man,” the associate says with a shrug, “he wouldn’t have stabbed him.” Picture gun-toting ex-convicts with swastikas on their arms, and you have the EK, as they call themselves. Members see themselves as Viking warriors with freedom to pillage. “Somebody’s got something you want, you take it,” EK member Rocky Robison says. The FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force once investigated them. The FBI will not comment on the result of the investigation.

The EK can be traced back to one man: David Patrick Kennedy. One of his many tattoos. It reads “White to the bone.” The founder of the EK was raised in violence, one gunfight took his older brother, he says, another killed his stepmother, and a third bullet took off part of his cheek — and that was all before Kennedy left elementary school. Still, his family is warm. On a recent weekend, his sister fried hamburgers on the stove. Cats slept on the table, and Kennedy stopped to pet one. “This is Freya,” he says, named after the goddess of love and fertility in Norse myth. His 3-year-old son, Zyzmic, played Grand Theft Auto Vice City. Kennedy says the boy’s name is ancient German for “fair-haired and strong.” Now 37, Kennedy says he started his criminal career as a “debt collector”. “I never had empathy for anybody when I was high on meth,” he explains.

Prisoners self-segregated
The EK began in 1998, he says, when he was serving time for robbery in the Snake River Correctional Institution in Eastern Oregon. Like other convicts, Kennedy found that prisons are a throwback to Jim Crow segregation. Blacks and Mexicans sit on one side of the mess hall; whites on the other. “You don’t break bread with the blacks, you don’t cell up,” he says. It was an education in racial hatred, and Kennedy was an eager student. Alarmed at the rise in Mexican gangs inside the prison — as well as seeing an opportunity to break into the prison economic system — Kennedy and a fellow inmate decided to create a new gang. This gang, he decided, would be a white prison gang. “I was in my cell with my buddy, and we had been talking about it, and I said, ‘How about the European Kindred?’” The official date, he says, was April 20 — Adolf Hitler’s birthday. Kennedy instituted a recruitment program he called Project Wildfire. Within a few days, he says, he had 20 recruits from one yard, and from there they moved into another yard. The EK is organized under a rigid chain of command. The governing body is the Table of Four. Meetings are called Church. Lt. Dean Harlow of the Department of Corrections says the European Kindred, with about 300 members, is one of the three largest gangs in Oregon's prisons--and definitely the most dangerous.

Anonymous said...

I just wanted to put in my two cents in about the Cody "monster" Scott book that was mentioned earlier in this blog. That Was a well written book. Made me feel like i was almost there!

Anonymous said...

SNS (still no sense) says..........

My belief is that cops don't want suburban whites driving through the hood because they don't want us to see just how many non violent, law abiding citizens there are. Scorched Earth just sells. But they can only sell if it we're at home watching the news, where the news can report the stories and show the images they want us to see.

One drive through the hood, and the first thing you see is poverty, and then crack heads. And, in that order. You've got to drive around a little to find the gang members. I think that paints a pretty good picture of just how the eco system works.


Well which is it fool, first you said you saw a bunch of law abiding citizens in the ghetto then you say they are a bunch of crack-heads in the ghetto.

You sound as quackers as DQ who tells us about "all" the hard working poor latinos of los angeles, who are very honest people. Then the makes excuses for the cholos who are the criminals living in the same conditions.

Enlighten us longtime los angeles residents about all you learned from your "drive by" the ghetto.

Did you stop and talk to any of the street vendors being jacked by the cholos and see what had to say about the cops and cholos. Did you ask them why the put bars on the windows, to keep out the cops or the criminals.

I will have have to do my own "drive by" the ghetto to learn all you know about living in Los Angeles.

Santiago said...


The most secure federal prison in America has the polished tile corridors of a modern regional high school and the empty stillness of summer break. Now home to terrorists, the marquee inmates -- including Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called 20th hijacker; "shoe bomber" Richard C. Reid; Theodore J. Kaczynski, the Unabomber; FBI agent turned traitor Robert Hanssen; and Terry L. Nichols, convicted of the Oklahoma City bombing -- wait out their days in cellblocks the warden leads reporters quickly past on the first media tour since the Florence "supermax" opened 13 years ago. "You say Moussaoui. You say Kaczynski. That's the smallest part of my population," said Warden Ron Wiley, holding his thumb a quarter-inch from his forefinger. "That is like a premier big man in the NBA. He comes along every 10 years. My major mission is inmates who were disrupting the population in other federal prisons."

Yet extremes define the Florence supermax. Conceived after two guards were murdered in a single day at the federal prison in Marion, Ill., the original successor to Alcatraz, the administrative maximum security institution, or ADX, does double duty as a punishment in its own right. Its 475 inmates account for just one-fourth of 1 percent of the 200,000 inmates in the federal prison system, but they are confined to single cells for at least 23 hours a day in sterile isolation and permanent lockdown. "To paraphrase the poet T.S. Eliot, you will die with a whimper," U.S. District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema told convicted Sept. 11 plotter Moussaoui last year, as she dispatched him directly to this prison in the high desert 45 miles south of Colorado Springs. "Just like any other place," said Daniel B. Graham, his tattooed arms crossed over his chest, as he stood in a wire exercise cage known as a dog run. He had arrived chained, shackled and escorted by two guards who took him out of his cell only after every other inmate was locked in. The rules are even stricter in the 78-cell "control unit," where Graham, convicted on a firearms charge, said he twice has been sent. The unit houses the inmates who are barred from any contact with the outside world. "If you thought the other units were quiet, that unit is super quiet. Super quiet," Wiley said. Some prisoners do pipe up when the warden makes his weekly rounds, riot baton in hand: " 'Warden, I sent out a letter, and it's been six months and they haven't received it.' Or 'Warden, when I got my newspaper, this article was cut out of it,' " Wiley said.

The letters are delayed by censors, a security measure the ADX stepped up after it was revealed that three of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers had been writing to fellow terrorists abroad. The lapse ran against the mythology that Wiley said the media tour was arranged to undercut: " 'It's a dark, dirty dungeon. It's all underground. They rot in their cells.' " In fact, the entire prison is aboveground, except for a subterranean corridor that links cellblocks to the lobby, an airy space with a trophy case, souvenirs for sale by the employees association (an "Alcatraz of the Rockies" watch cap is $8) and corporate teamwork posters. One near the conference room reads: "Sharpen the Saw. "But down a flight of stairs, the feeling of being hermetically sealed sets in. Fastened to the wall of the first "sally port," the space between a green steel gate that must slide shut before the gate in front opens, are two items: a fingerprint scanner and a digital clock that reports the weather outside the windowless maze that lies ahead. "I still get lost," said Michael K. Nalley, Bureau of Prisons regional director. Down the long tunnel and to the left, the first door is marked "Visiting Room." Past that and another sally port lies G-Unit, visible from the hallway through a small vertical window in a steel door. G-Unit is one of four "general population" units. Each has 64 inmates. These include Rodney Curtis Hamrick, who peered through the window of the steel door of a solitary exercise pen. He wore prison-issue horn-rimmed glasses and a bushy brown beard. "Oh, you know me," he said.

In 2005, while incarcerated at Leavenworth in Kansas, Hamrick managed to mail a letter bomb to the federal appeals court in Richmond. For this he landed in ADX Florence, in a cell 12 feet by 7 feet 4 inches, slightly larger than the Montana cabin where Kaczynski hid out. Each contains a bunk, desk, stool and shelf, all concrete. The stainless-steel sink and toilet evoke an airliner bathroom. The black-and-white television set has a clear plastic housing to leave its electronics visible. All inmates get closed-circuit programming on education and mental health; most also see cable news and entertainment channels. Through the food port of the steel doors, a low murmur is audible in the hallway between cells. In one, a heavy white man with a shaved head exercised by stepping onto his bed, then stepping off. In the next, a middle-age black man looked up from a book and said: "Me, personally, I like the solitude. I'm at peace with myself."

Dangers of psychosis. Not everyone is. Critics argue that, with their enforced isolation, supermax prisons, "like the sensory deprivation environments that were studied in the '60s, tend to induce psychosis," said Terry Kupers, a psychiatrist at the Wright Institute in Berkeley, Calif., who has examined scores of prisoners in state supermaxes. Those inmates "are, on average, the most severely psychotic people I have seen in my entire 25 years of psychiatric practice," Kupers once testified. At Florence, 65 inmates take medication to control mental illness, said Paul Zohn, one of two resident psychologists. The medicine is prescribed by a Bureau of Prisons psychiatrist in Springfield, Mo., who examines the inmates by video link. Personal assessments are conducted at the cell door by Zohn and fellow psychologist Marie Bailey. One of the counselors holds a riot baton. Zohn says if everyone speaks softly, the inmate may not be overheard by his neighbors. "Is 'claustrophobic' a psychological term?" Wiley asked, cutting short the interview after two or three minutes. "Well, I'm getting claustrophobic. Let's move along." Medical care is also problematic. Only two of five physician slots are filled at Florence, to serve an inmate population that, with the three other prisons in the Florence complex, totals 3,200 inmates.

There is a law library and a lending library: "What we find is that most of them read Westerns and romances," the librarian said. Zohn says many inmates practice yoga. "They love it," he said. The board games, including "Fact or Crap," are checked out by inmates who are "earning" their way out of the ADX through docile behavior. Those on the cusp of transition to the nearby maximum-security prison live in K-Unit. It includes an exercise yard with basketball hoops, a sweat lodge and steel cables overhead to deter escape by helicopter. Inside, Rudolfo Rivera Rios loitered with fellow inmates at tables anchored to the floor between two stories of cells in what looked like a traditional prison. "I hijacked a plane," said Rios, a native of Puerto Rico who diverted a Pan American flight to Havana in 1970. Now 64, he said he had "had trouble" in other prisons, including a bad fight in a Beaumont, Tex., facility. But the supermax, he said, was under control. "It's locked down, eh? No problem."

don quixote said...

SNS asks,

DQ, being that so many in the Los Angeles region were considered farmers, was there ever conflict with them in EME's early years? Did people from East Los pick on them in the joint and call them farmers, whatever? I've always been meaning to ask that question. I was reading something about the camps in El Monte and thinking about that. El Monte Flores was once "Camp Flores", and basically a farming camp. Right?

Anyhow, I know a bunch of other politics play into Norte/Sur. But was there ever a time when L.A. was divided between city Chicanos and rural ones?

To answer your question SNS, No, not in the pinta’s or on the streets in any serious manner. In the joints if a vato was down for the cause and knew and followed the “movidas” he was OK no matter where he was from. There was some good natured “curadas” (joking around) thrown at the outlying varrios especially if they were really rural.
The Chicano varrios and gangsters in those days (before the majority of freeways were built) from the central city (Temple St., Alpine, Clanton, Diamond, Loma, C12, Florence, ect; and the east side , Clover, Frogtown, Hazard, Happy Valley, Aves, Flats, Varrio Nuevo E, Maravilla, White Fence, ect Were looked to as mas loco’s kind of had a superior attitude and were usually respected as such by the outlying varrios in SFV, Pacoima, San Gabriel Valley, Compton, San Pedro, Wilmas, IE, OC, Oxnard, and all the areas up north. It wasn’t a subject that would create a war or anything like that it was just that the LA proper varrios had more history and were considered the top of the food chain due to a more vicious and violent Darwinian existence of constant gang wars and police encounters.
And it wasn’t just Chicano’s, I used to crack up at the blacks who would tease the other suedes from Pacoima, Pasadena and San Bernardino, as country bumpkins who weren’t quite up to date with style, dance or music.

Before the shoe wars and the North South thing started there were lots of Carnal’s and soldiers from up north, although there was always anti LA attitude or awe from the Norte, this wasn’t shared by the LA Chicano’s who even to this day don’t understand what this is about (I often heard things from Norte Chicano’s like “you LA vatos are savages and killers” shit like that?), and we often just shrugged it off as just “farmer shit”. And this is not just Chicano’s SNS, it seems to be a general attitude of Northern Calif. That I still don’t understand. Maybe you could shed some light on this?
As far as your question about “Camp Flores” and the history of EL Monte Flores, I simply don’t know, maybe El Montero could shed some light on this history.
I do know that years ago EL Monte was controlled by varrio’s Hicks and Hayes and in the 60’s and into the 70’s I used to sell smack and other drugs to some of the Hicks varrio. Hicks was started as a labor camp for Mexican Agricultural workers and was a dangerous place for strangers to find themselves at. I think it’s all been torn down now but years ago after completing a negocio there I attended a party in Hicks where they killed and roasted a goat or sheep. I felt like I was out in the country but really surrounded by a large metropolitan city.

Sean Joseph Meade said...

Just wait, StillNoScript. You'll see. One day, somebody's going to attack you, and you're going to wish I was around to put the choke hold on them.

All of you will see!

You'll see! These guys are animals, man! You'll see!

Never mind that we live in a democracy, and the police are in place to protect the people and enforce the laws made by representatives of the people, I prefer to threaten people with random acts of violence at the hands of minorities if they don't allow me to take my adolescent sexual frustrations out on cholos that just seem to get all the hynas.

Wally, you hiring any help? I can type repetitive paragraphs, change some of the grammar, and basically turn about 50 pages worth of information into a 400 page book.

I'll send you an e mail.

Anonymous said...


greenlighter said...


Anonymous said...

Wally never said there was "race war" but that sureno gangs were tageting blacks. The sureno gangs represent the views of the pendejos of the latino race. The views of pendejo cholos are only excused or defended people/pendejos like Don Culo and SNS.


The fantasy of L.A.'s 'race war'
Why is everyone so anxious to elevate Latino-black violence to historic levels?
October 1, 2007

Get this: A new study by three UC Irvine criminologists has concluded that Los Angeles is not on the brink of a major interracial crime wave. Surprised? That's understandable. Because for the last several years, the media have been increasingly fixated on the specter of black-versus-brown violence.

Last January, a CNN anchorwoman asked a visibly perturbed Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa whether Los Angeles was "in the middle of a race war." That same month, this newspaper published an opinion piece claiming that "Latino ethnic cleansing of African Americans from multiracial neighborhoods" was an "increasingly common trend."

Anonymous said...


I'll tell you what happens to the red and blue.....It turns into a whole lot of green$$$$$.

Anonymous said...

The fantasy of L.A.'s 'race war',1,5843487.column

don quixote said...

Another success story about gang intervention and the effort of the great man Father Greg Boyle.
Good location too right near the Gold Line station in Chinatown.
All the haters and people who try to denigrate this true Christian man can eat donuts at the 7-11

October 1, 2007
Eight years after Homeboy Bakery burned down, the business that gave former gang members a job and a chance to break from their past, will reopen Tuesday in more spacious quarters near the Civic Center in downtown Los Angeles.

Bakers were cleaning pans and counter tops Friday as they prepared to welcome customers this week.

"It's going to do a lot of good," said Luis Rivera, 39.

The bakery is only one part of Homeboy Industries, a nonprofit rehabilitation center for former gang members and at-risk youths that was founded nearly 20 years ago by Father Gregory Boyle. The center will be headquartered in the new facility.

The structure "houses what we've become, which is not just a local community center, but a place that serves the entire county of Los Angeles," Boyle said Sunday. "There's not a ZIP Code that hasn't walked through our doors to seek help."

Determining what the facility would include, where it would be and how to raise the money to pay for it have been the main problems that Boyle has faced, although operations other than the bakery have continued elsewhere since the 1999 fire.

Mona Hobson, Homeboy Industries' director of development, estimates that it will take about $12.5 million, most of which has been raised through donations from foundations, individuals and corporations.

With large windows, orange-yellow hues and a catchy Homeboy logo out front, the two-story building houses the majority of the organization's businesses, including a cafe and merchandising, landscaping and cleanup operations.

Its silk screening business will remain on Santa Fe Avenue near Olympic Boulevard. Homeboy Industries also offers support services such as counseling, career help, tattoo removal and educational classes.

Shortly after the fire, Boyle bought land across the street from the Chinatown Gold Line Metro Station and near Union Station because it was not in territory claimed by any gang and was more accessible than the site in Boyle Heights.

"It's announcing a message in the middle of the city: 'What if we invested in people rather than try to incarcerate our way out of this problem?' " Boyle said.

Initially aimed at helping members of eight Boyle Heights gangs, Homeboy Industries now reaches out to 600 gangs, and offers services to about 1,000 people from 45 different ZIP Codes each month.

Homeboy Industries employs about 250 former gang members and at-risk youths.

There was an excited buzz and frenetic activity in the building Friday as people prepared for the opening and waited to see Father Greg, or "Gee" as they call him.

"Tuesday -- that's what everybody's talking about," said Eric Bennett, 29, retail and sales manager, who was going through store paperwork while holding his daughter on his lap. "Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday."

Near Bennett was a roomful of boxes, T-shirts, sweat shirts and other merchandise, waiting to be sorted and put up on the walls for sale.

Next door, workers in the Homegirl Cafe were cleaning the kitchen and setting up the almost 90-seat capacity room, about three times the size of their former location.

"This is big, this is state of the art," said Patricia Zárate, 49, cafe founder and chef. "It has everything you could dream of. It cuts corners on nothing. There's a lot of time, passion, money, hard work and hopes invested into this place. It is only our job to make it work."

The cafe, which also will offer catering, won't be open until Oct. 23, she said.

"I want to start already," said Marissa Castillo, 35, a worker in the restaurant.

Along with a small group of other former gang members, Rivera has prepared for the last couple years, training at a bakery in South Gate and taking professional baking classes at Los Angeles Trade Tech College. He will help train the about 20 recruits.

"This is a new beginning," Rivera said. "We've seen this from dirt and rubble. This is our future."

For Boyle, who has devoted his life to helping gang members, the building north of Olvera Street is close to the original heart of Los Angeles.

"In the end, it's never about buildings anyway," Boyle said. "It's about watching people become the truth of who they are."

Anonymous said...

Why did the chicken cross the road? Explained by...
Some Payaso from BarfInTheHat:

WALLY: The Ave sureno gang members are now killing white chickens as well as black chickens in Highland Park.

SNS: Because the LAPD was going to beat the chicken to a pulp.

Don Culo: Back in 1965 we had some chickens and a rooster named “El Grito” in our backyard to warn us about any mayates from across town coming into our varrio. The rooster would crow once for each mayate he spotted, he saved our lives many times. And the chickens would lay some of the best tasting huevos. I used to make some really sabroso huevos rancheros on Sunday morning when the EME carnales would come by to eat breakfast at my casita. One time we were enjoying our huevos rancheros, when all of a sudden “El Grito” the rooster crow 5 times, ala verga the mayates are coming, so the carnales pull out their cuetes, 0.38 snub nose revolvers, when the mayates get close we start blasting at the mayates, I got shot in the leg and went down, a carnal used the beak of “El Grito” to pull the bullet out of my leg. That “El Grito” was a hell of a rooster, he died when a rival gang’s coyote “El Wily-E” ate him. RIP “El Grito”.
Oh why did the chicken cross the road I'm not sure maybe I'll ask Santiago, Big Betty or Jim.

DR. PHIL: The problem we have here is that this chicken won't
realize that he must first deal with the problem on 'THIS' side of
the road before it goes after the problem on the 'OTHER SIDE' of the
road. What we need to do is help him realize how stupid he's acting
by not taking on his 'CURRENT' problems before adding 'NEW' problems.

OPRAH: Well, I understand that the chicken is having problems, which
is why he wants to cross this road so bad. So instead of having the
chicken learn from his mistakes and take falls, which is a part of life,
I'm going to give this chicken a car so that he can just drive across
the road and not live his life like the rest of the chickens.

GEORGE W. BUSH: We don't really care why the chicken crossed the
road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road,
or not. The chicken is either against us, or for us. There is no
middle ground here.

COLIN POWELL: Now to the left of the screen, you can clearly see
the satellite image of the chicken crossing the road...

ANDERSON COOPER - CNN: We have reason to believe there is a
chicken, but we have not yet been allowed to have access to the other
side of the road.

JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I am
now against it! It was the wrong road to cross, and I was misled about
the chicken's intentions. I am not for it now, and will remain against it.

NANCY GRACE: That chicken crossed the road because he's GUILTY!
You can see it in his eyes and the way he walks.

PAT BUCHANAN: To steal the job of a decent, hardworking American.

MARTHA STEWART: No one called me to warn me which way that chicken
was going. I had a standing order at the Farmer's Market to sell my
eggs when the price dropped to a certain level. No little bird gave
me any insider information.

DR SEUSS: Did the chicken cross the road? Did he cross it with a toad?
Yes, the chicken crossed the road, but why it crossed I've not been told.

ERNEST HEMINGWAY: To die in the rain. Alone.

JERRY FALWELL: Because the chicken was gay! Can't you people see
the plain truth?' That's why they call it the 'other side.' Yes, my friends,
that chicken is gay. And if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too.
I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this abomination that the liberal
media white washes with seemingly harmless phrases like, the 'other side'.
That chicken should not be crossing the road. It's as plain and as simple as that.

GRANDPA: In my day we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the road.
Somebody told us the chicken crossed the road, and that was good enough.

BARBARA WALTERS: Isn't that interesting? In a few moments, we will
be listening to the chicken tell, for the first time, the heart warming story
of how it experienced a serious case of molting, and went on to accomplish
its life long dream of crossing the road.

JOHN LENNON: Imagine all the chickens in the world crossing
roads together, in peace.

ARISTOTLE: It is the nature of chickens to cross the road.

BILL GATES: I have just released eChicken2007, which will not
only cross roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents,
and balance your check book. Internet Explorer is a integral part of
eChicken. This new platform is much more stable and will never
cra...#@&&^( C .. ... reboot.

ALBERT EINSTEIN: Did the chicken really cross the road, or did
the road move beneath the chicken?

BILL CLINTON: I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What is
your definition of chicken?

AL GORE: I invented the chicken!

COLONEL SANDERS : Did I miss one?

DICK CHENEY: Where's my gun?

AL SHARPTON: Why are all the chickens white? We need some black

Anonymous said...

Damn I can finally sleep well again, I was jonesing for this sit. Glad to see DQ, SNS and others back in action. Still trying to get used to the whole Nor Cal thing, don't know if I can take another damn shirt that say's "Born In Da Bay" with different area codes including 209 which is Fresno, no where near the Bay. They are always in RED of course.
Read a S.J.P.D report that say's San Jose is now half Sureno. Thing is poor guys don't get the prop's from the homie's south of Bakersfield. Even though these guys are on the front line of the 13 vs 14 "war". Noticed a pretty decent South Sider presence in San Fran as well.

SNS was in your neck of the woods in July, fuck it was hotter then hell over there. My little brother lives in Sac.


Santiago said...


Suspected drug traffickers usually don’t look quite like this. But Sandra Avila Beltrán is no run-of-the-mill narco-thug: the 46-year-old brunette was indicted in Florida three years ago on charges of conspiring to import cocaine in connection with a 9.6-ton seizure of the drug in 2001, and her arrest outside a coffee shop in a posh Mexico City neighborhood late last month made headlines because she is one of only two women listed among Mexico’s leading drug traffickers. Known as the Queen of the Pacific, Avila Beltrán earned her nickname in part by allegedly helping to develop smuggling routes along Mexico’s Pacific Coast for Colombia’s Valle del Norte cartel as far back as the 1990s. “It’s unheard of in the sense that we haven’t seen a woman inside the organized crime cartels reach such an exalted position in decades,” Mexico’s assistant secretary for public security Patricio Patiño told NEWSWEEK in an exclusive interview. “Sandra’s rise basically has to do with two circumstances: her ties to a family that has been involved in drug trafficking over three generations, and a physical beauty that made her stand out as a woman.”

Family connections have certainly played a major role in the saga of Mexico’s reigning drug queenpin. Officials in that country say Avila Beltrán is the niece of Miguel Angel Félix Gallardo, the onetime godfather of the Mexican drug trade who is serving a 40-year sentence for the murder of a U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration agent in 1984. Her great uncle Juan José Quintero Payán was extradited to the States on drug trafficking charges in January. On her mother’s side, the Beltráns got involved in heroin smuggling in the 1970s and later diversified into cocaine as the U.S. market for that drug exploded, according to Michael Vigil, a former chief of international operations at the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration. Vigil, who spent 17 years investigating Mexican narcos, says Avila Beltrán never shrank from employing the violence that comes with the turf. “Sandra was very ruthless,” says Vigil, who is now retired. “She used the typical intimidation tactics of Mexican organizations.”

But it would be wrong to view Avila Beltrán as an isolated case. Growing numbers of women are getting involved in the male-dominated illicit narcotics industry. In Brazil, where more cocaine is consumed than anywhere else in the Americas besides the U.S., an estimated 10,000 women are doing time for drug smuggling. And not all are low-level “mules” like the title character of the award-winning 2004 movie “María Full of Grace,” played by Catalina Sandino Moreno. Some of the women who have moved up the food chain are frequently given responsibility for money and accounting matters, says one expert. “Before, we [judges] assumed that the only role women play in crime was as victims,” says Denise Frossard, a prominent criminal judge in Brazil and author of the recently published book “Women in the Mafia.” “Now they are increasingly heading criminal operations, and drug trafficking is becoming more and more female all the time.”

In a number of instances, women have been promoted to positions of greater responsibility because their husbands, brothers or boyfriends have been put out of commission by death or detention. That is true of Mexico’s other prominent drug mafiosa, Enedina Arellano Félix, a distant relative of Avila Beltrán’s who has allegedly taken over the reins of her family’s cartel after Enedina’s brother Ramón was killed in a police shootout in the Mexican port of Mazatlán five years ago and two other brothers were captured in separate incidents.

Avila Beltrán’s love life was also a key factor in her allegedly meteoric ascent. In the late 1990s she became involved with Colombian trafficker Juan Diego Espinoza Ramírez and through him met Diego Montoya, the head of Colombia’s Valle del Norte cartel who was arrested by the authorities in that country last month. Avila Beltrán became a kind of “transmission belt” between Montoya’s syndicate and Mexican cartels based in the state of Sinaloa, on the Pacific Coast, and Ciudad Juárez, along the U.S. border, says Patiño. Avila Beltrán moved money between the two countries and organized logistics for the safe delivery of cocaine shipments from Colombia. Her underworld godfather, according to Patiño, was the formidable Sinaloa-based trafficker Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada García, who was indicted by a federal grand jury in Washington four years ago on charges of conspiring to import and distribute 2,796 kilos of cocaine with an estimated value of $47.4 million. Avila Beltrán had a brief affair with Zambada after she took up with Espinoza Ramírez, says former DEA official Vigil, and she also worked with other Sinaloa-based syndicates loosely grouped under the so-called Federación alliance. “She was very well tutored by her Colombian boyfriend, and he gave her a lot of latitude on the coordination and smuggling of drugs across the U.S. border,” notes Vigil. “Sandra is attractive and charming and was able to develop a lot of political contacts [inside Mexico], and as an individual she provided tremendous assistance to Espinoza Ramírez’s Colombian colleagues.”

The fetching native of the border city of Tijuana has also played both sides of the aisle. Avila Beltrán’s first husband was a crooked commander of the Mexican federal judicial police named José Luis Fuentes, and she bore him at least one son. It was Fuentes who coined the sobriquet “My Queen,” Avila Beltrán told authorities after her arrest; the Mexican cop used his proceeds from the drug trade to send his wife on clothing and jewelry shopping sprees in Paris and the United States and to buy her seafront condominiums in Puerto Vallarta and other Pacific Coast resort towns. Fuentes was later killed by some of his ex-colleagues from the federal judicial police in the Sinaloa town of Navolato, and Avila Beltrán’s next husband, Rodolfo López Amavizca, was another corrupt official of the country’s law enforcement agencies. Then head of Mexico’s National Institute for Combating Drugs, López Amavizca was with Avila Beltrán for only a brief time in the mid-1990s; he was later murdered in a hotel room in the northern city of Hermosillo by suspected narcos in 2000.

By the time of the López Amavizca murder Avila Beltrán had long since moved on to Espinoza Ramírez, nicknamed El Tigre (the tiger), but her alleged involvement in the drug trade did not immediately become known to U.S. and Mexican officials. Vigil says that Avila Beltrán first appeared on the DEA’s radar in the late 1990s via informants who implicated her directly in smuggling activity. The December 2001 seizure of the multiton consignment of cocaine aboard the vessel Macel in the Mexican Pacific port of Manzanillo bolstered the evidence against her, because cell phone records found on the boat subsequently tied the cargo to Avila Beltrán and Espinoza Ramírez, who was also arrested in Mexico City on the night of her capture two weeks ago. In 2002 Avila Beltrán’s teenage son by Fuentes was kidnapped in the city of Guadalajara, and the $5 million ransom demanded by the boy’s captors raised the eyebrows of police officials assigned to the case when she reported the abduction. In the event, Avila Beltrán personally took charge of the negotiations with her son’s kidnappers and procured his release in exchange for a payment of $3 million, says Patiño.

Mexican lawmen then took a much closer look at her finances and business activities. In October 2002 the federal attorney general’s office issued a bulletin accusing Avila Beltrán of having laundered money of Colombian origin through the purchase of 225 real-estate lots, two houses and a tanning salon in the city of Hermosillo. The break in the case came three months earlier with the arrest of two Colombian women at Mexico City’s international airport in July of that year who were found to be carrying over $2 million in cash. That led authorities to Avila Beltrán’s beau Espinoza Ramírez, because one of the detained couriers was married at the time to a half-brother of El Tigre. Evidence and information obtained from the two women helped uncover Avila Beltrán’s extensive money-laundering operation in Hermosillo.

The “Queen of the Pacific” was transferred to a federal prison on the northern outskirts of Mexico City last week, where she will await the outcome of proceedings to extradite her to the U.S. But even if Sandra Avila Beltrán disappears from view for a while, she isn’t going to vanish from the imaginations of her countrymen. She has her very own narcocorrido folk song by a band called Los Tucanes de Tijuana (The Toucans of Tijuana) whose lyrics pay tribute to “a very powerful lady” who “is a big player in the business.” A video of the song features the Mexican model Fabiola Campomanes in the Queen of the Pacific role.

Avila Beltrán’s vanity and gastronomic habits helped Mexican officials track her down in the Mexican capital. She often dined at the Cantonese restaurant Chez Wok in the tony district of Polanco and had her hair styled at two upscale beauty salons on a street seven blocks from the eatery. If her recent appearances in public are anything to go by, imprisonment won’t strip her of her highly developed sense of style. In televised footage of her arraignment for transfer to the maximum-security penitentiary last week, she is shown wearing spike heels and skintight jeans, tossing her hair occasionally as she smiles at the camera. At one point during the proceedings she reportedly told the judge, “I like to be called ‘the Queen of the Pacific’.” And as she was taken away at the conclusion of the hearing, Avila Beltrán turned to the clerk of the court and cooed, “Have a lovely afternoon.”

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Anonymous said...

What's an unemployed MBA/computer engineer to do these days? I could write a book but it would just be about law abiding tax paying normal life things. The jobs are gone except for the top 5%. Bring them back. 95% need jobs too..

don quixote said...

Gee some Pie asshole er payaso (who could it be?), plagarized the below website for some good ol Kansas wisdom and shared it with the wallista's. Click it on to experience the work he stole from
"The Society for Intelligent Design" of Kansas?.

"Why did the chicken cross the road" wow!

Guess it's better than watching the wheat grow.

Intelligent Design? of Kansas?

Santiago said...

Rod Serling's Answer from the grave:
Submitted for your approval of course...
Imagine if you will, a chicken. He goes by the moniker of Clucky. To his friends and family, he is a fixture in their lives, no more unique than a light switch. One night, walking along the road chewing on a slim jim after his shift at the munitions plant had ended, Clucky looks across and see's an old man in a white suit and a black shoestring tie. A door appears between them and the elderly gentleman with white hair steps inside. The light from this mysterious door lingers. Clucky takes a look to the left. Then a look to the right. His next few steps would take him across the road, into the Twilight Zone.
"Imaginations" limits are only those of the mind itself.

PS. Thanx Wallista's for all the menudo inside dope, tip-offs, and lowdowns. Don't be surprised if you see me with my olla at 7:30 AM on a Sunday morning lining up in my crested velvet slip on's and silk and cashmere 7/8's robe...o' yea...I'll have that trusty Heckler & Koch MP-5K strapped on my back. No taking cuts.

Anonymous said...

just leave the comments open wally if your going to be gone so long, this site has turned into a shell of what it used to be.

Jethro said...

Wally it looks like you proved you critics wrong again, especially that mealy-mouthed mouthed lunatic SNS. You are the MAN Wally.

Gang rivalry grows into race war.
On Tuesday, the U.S. attorney's office announced a sweeping indictment against more than 60 members of Florencia 13, accusing the Latino gang of waging a violent campaign to drive out African American rivals. Once primarily black, the working class community of 60,000 today is mostly Latino.,1,1714434.story

Latino gang tried to force blacks out, indictment says
Federal prosecutors Tuesday accused members of a Latino street gang of a violent campaign to drive African American rivals out of their South Los Angeles area neighborhood, resulting in at least 20 killings in the last three years.,1,1478551.story

Santiago said...

My name is Becca,
I actually work with a lot of gang members in my job, in a county where many Hispanics live. One thing I can say is that yes, the Mexican Mafia is comprised of an elite group of notorious and dangerous criminals, some of whom run the subsequent street gang (Surenos) from prison. Some are coming in from Mexico and some are from the US. A lot of the street crime we see is from the street gangs (Surenos and Nortenos) taking orders from the M.M. Many of the new recruits of these gangs are very young kids (as young as 10 and 11), who are approached by older teens and adults to join the gang and be the one to pull the trigger so they get a lesser juvenile conviction.

We need to look at why these young kids are joining gangs, because WITHOUT NEW RECRUITS, GANGS WOULD AUTOMATICALLY DWINDLE DOWN. It is not because of the government necessarily or border this or border that, or jobs, or many things listed above, although those play a part. Kids join gangs because of the breakdown of the family structure.

And I'm sorry to say that even middle class white American boys and girls join Hispanic gangs. They do it to join another 'family' when theirs is not giving them the support, positive influence, and love that they need. I've not run into one young gangster that wasn't from a broken, messed up home. They are looking for attention (albeit even negative), prestige (inborn need to feel important), money (many are poor), and a strong similated family. It's not uncommon for a gangster to take a bullet for his fellow gang member and forsake his natural family, and often times it's nearly impossible to get out after one joins (you must get jumped out/killed out/or s*xed out). Even when some see the light, they feel stuck and hopeless.

So I'd say that we probably can't do much to change the older career gang members (they're either in life long prison or, if we kick them out of the country, they're so sophisticated they'll find a way to return). Our control is limited (they still find ways to run street gangs even from solitary confinement).


Santiago said...

Blinky Rodriguez at UYWI 2007
Understanding the Mindset of a Gang Member
12 other ex-gang members and workers

Q: East LA church plant wants to reach gang members. “Church doesn’t work for them,” but they want God. How do we help them grow?

A1: Find the leader. Train him.

Blinky: Find a relevant point of contact. What does that individual need? Meet them there. That’s the hook. Don’t overcomplicate it.

A3: Take the gospel to the streets. Just because they burn you, don’t give up on them.

A4: Cultivate indigenous leaders, not just people who move into the neighborhood. Invest in heart conditions. Where your money is, there your heart is also.

A5: Lots of outreach. Show love, instead of past hate. Power of testimony.

A6: Be prayed up. They depend on your truthfulness. Never promise something you’re not going to do. Understand your calling. Is this really what God is calling you to do? Fast. And go in pairs (so one can talk and the other prays).

Q: How do you reach kids who are more fearful of gangs than prison so they align themselves to gangs for protection? Fence straddlers.

A1: Help them to align with the Lord first. Many gangs will respect that. They power of testimony.

A2: Expose them to the consequences of bad choices, like trip to skid row. Many addicts men are former gang members.

A3: 31 yrs in prison — convicted of murder twice. Lots of stories. Carries around a photo album of inmates and ex-offenders. Murdered in his past because he was afraid to die. No longer afraid.

A4: Enagage family. What are they thinking — their hopes and dreams for him? Outreach strategies. Car shows. BBQs. Use events to help expose kids to who they really are.

Q: Meeting with mayor of Pasadena re. Black/Brown violence. What’s that all about?

A1: There are some in “La Raza” that are racist against blacks. Real hatred, but without reason. They are taught hatred, even though its irrational and baseless. Create opportunities for them to interact and resolve conflict.

Blinky: We are in the enemy’s camp! We must bind the spirit of violence. Use your hook. For Blinky it was kick boxing. We have to stop being afraid of engaging the world. Get in their every day. We have to engage the public sectors. Overseas missions without revitalizing the barrios at home is hypocrisy. Some of us need to be covert. Get trained in the gym (church) to fight in the arena (street, public policy, etc).

A3: Three factors contributing to Black/Brown. 1) Prison baggage gets carried over. 2) Drugs — Whoever has the drugs has the power. 3) Neighborhood dynamics. Displacement and demographic changes. Be sensititive. Also, generational hatred passed down from fathers. One solution: POPS (Peacemakers of Pomona). Pops need to teach us over again. Need to get past the phony talk about hatred that doesn’t really exist except for the facade. Help kids go deeper to see the person beneath the skin color.

Q: Drugs and gangs not limited to big cities. Spillover to suburbs and small towns. What programs are effective models for reaching kids in juvenile halls?

A: Communities in School programs in juvenile halls. Need to expand the network of service providers. Partner with Catholics who are more entrenched in the prisons.

Blinky: Need to cultivate relationships when kids are vulnerable in the jail. Meet them there and then keep them when they come out. Black/brown sports tournament and BBQs.

Q: Is there anything you miss about the gang life?

A1: Nothing!

A2: People on this panel were mortal enemies. Now brothers. Truly transformed. The panel itself is a testimony. Pepe’s goal was to be Donald (founder of Mexican Mafia), in San Quentin, and Donald was mortal rival with Carlos, and now they are all ministering together.

A3: I miss some of the homeboys with the Bulldogs and wish I could get them out. I was supposed to get a 12yr sentence, instead I’m here.

A4: My homeboys from the Mongrels. My best friend wanted to kill me when I got out. But God was tugging at him, and he’s saved now. Still praying for the others as well. They’re coming one by one.

A5: They gangs have implemented discipleship principles. They reach out and take in and disciple successors. We need more of that!

Q: Growing up in an insular Brown community, had few black friends, but lots of Brown racism. Living for God now, how do you resolve “old beef”?

A1: “I’m from the neighborhood of Jesus Christ.” The Cholo respected that and ministered during an entire bus ride.

A2: If I don’t humble myself, it’s inevitable that I’m going to be humiliated. Need to keep the old identity and pride buried and find new identity in Christ.

A3: Got jumped at a b-day party. Old beef needs to be trashed. Smells rancid and makes us sick. [My paraphrase.]

A4: Prayer avails much. Protect your testimony.

Blinky: Unconditional love. There’s power in forgiveness. Reconcialition in forgiveness. Release from self-destructive hatred.

A6: Be transformed by renewing mind. Bad memories and experiences don;t define you. You’re no longer that person. Old is passed. All is new.

Q: How do you compete with drug money?

A1: You don’t. Sometimes people have to fall first. There must be a willingness to make a change.

Q: Gang awareness inside the juvenile detention. But what happens when I get released from jail?

A1: Suburban Gangs: The Affluent Rebels. Good resource on how to disengage gangs.

A2: Neighborhood Ministries is experimenting with transitional house models.

Q: One kid who got saved got killed by gang. Now widespread fear. How do we help?

A1: Connect with the “main, main” guy and get his protection.

Blinky Rodriguez, Kickboxing World Champion. Blinky always packed a blue on this video.

Anonymous said...

I wish the paisas claiming gangs would stop smearing the rest of the community with their pendejadas. Everytime they commit some heinous crime things just get harder for the paisas who came to work and make something of themselves.



Anonymous said...

you duh man Jethro! on your knees your bongo lips are just the right height to give Wally a toungue bath you shameless asslicker you.

Jethro said...
Wally it looks like you proved you critics wrong again, especially that mealy-mouthed mouthed lunatic SNS. You are the MAN Wally.

louie the hype said...

Que Barbaro Wally, last time you went on sabbatical I cut you loose and cleaned up cold turkey.
Then you came back and I got weak and scored, got hooked again, then you split and as my connection let me down Bro.
So then I got sick and devolver and visited the other hook up, Barf, down at his sleazy Cantina.
His shit was weak though and all the chiva was as stepped on as an old dog turd on Main St.
So I got strung out for a while there, but the place was full of snitches and thieves, so I went cold turkey again, cleaned up, and even threw away my outfit.

Now your back and I'm strung out again!
Please hang around awhile Wally, just for this old hype's benefit.

ps Wally you know where I can get a new outfit? I been using this old eyedropper spike and the holes in my arm won't scab over.

Valga mi Dios!

don quixote said...

Good post Santiago!
People like BLinky Rodriguez, Father Greg Boyle, and the others out there working for all mankind, yet understanding the weakness we all have and fight against.

que Dios te bendiga, y todo's

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

boxer's book in november? is that true?

Anonymous said...

Man, things are really burning up down here. -Jose619

Dude from East Los said...

dns the springs said...."Boxer" Enriquez - "drop out" has a book coming out in Nov this true?? If so, who is publishing the book and when will it be available to purchase?


StillNoScript said...

DQ, I think one of the big differences between Northern and Southern Cal is that the white people in Southern Cal are mostly descendants from the South. Most up here can trace their family history more northward, New England, that direction. This would certainly explain the racial tensions in L.A, that although exist up here too, certainly don't like they do in L.A. I can't think of any city up here that's ever had a Chief Parker or Chief Gates. They wouldn't last one day. And, they'd be ousted by the WHITE residents. Yet, the white residents in L.A. still hold a high regard for Parker and Gates, and wish the city could get back to their racist ways. Whites are far more liberal, up here. Tha'ts a no brainer. People think LA is white liberal too because of Hollywood. But Hollywood is pretty much it. That and the Jewish influence west side, and they're only liberal in the sense that they don't trust the the more Southern whites that have historically ran downtown. It's not like the whites on the westside give a shit about poverty or the plight of minorities. you'd be the first to tell us that.

Author Mike Davis has contended that nobody has ever ran L.A. The leadership (the real leadership, behind the scenes with the money, power and influence, not the clowns in the local government), is fragmented. In the past decade, Mexicans have found themselves on the front burner of that leadership. You're seeing that too, the good and bad of it (just a coincidence that Surenos at war with black sets are mimicking KKK rhetoric? They didn't pick that up in Juarez... hence, the history of the word, "nigger"). But the good of it is that a lot of good Mexicans are going to take away control from the southern whites that have historically ran the town.

OC, I really don't know how to respond about the Sureno presence up here. Everyone always talks about Nortenos being harder back in the day. But I like to look deeper into it than that. If you notice, about the time of the Fresno/Norte split is when everything started to crumble for both Norte and Fresno organizationally. When you're the lesser of the two prison gangs of your ethnicity, the last thing you do is split in half. I think the whole concept is sick anyway. All Chicanos should be united. All minorities should be united. White people should be united with the minorities, because we're all being fucked by the few white people that run this country. But just to play devil's advocate and give the Norteno thing some thought, that's the theory I came up with. Nortenos were never as hard as Angelinos. Nobody is. It's not called the gang capitol of the world for nothing. And, again, and as DQ alluded to, racism has a lot to do with it. When your powerless against racists, you take it out on your own. you take it out on other minorities.

Santiago said...

Hepa Carnales! I visiting cousin Carlo in Italia, and the big news is that mafia is biggest business in Italy!
Revenue from organized crime is estimated at $127 billion annually in Italia, making it largest segment of economy, lobby group for small businesses say on Monday.
Figure, represents 7% of the country's GDP, from illicit activities like extortion, drug trafficking, loansharking and prostitution, so say the Confesercenti lobby report.

Business lobbies have been launching campaigns in recent years to increase awareness of the extent of organized crime in Italia, which they say limits investment in country. They say rganized crime is particularly rooted in Sicily, Naples and the southern regions of Calabria and Puglia.

Fat ass Tano Grasso, head of Italia's anti-rackets commission, say on state TV that for every 100 foreign investors who come to Italy, only one sets up business in south. What he know...big homo gay.

One of major issues is the "pizzo," as extorted "protection" money is known. Many businessmen in southern Italy have long considered it an unavoidable expense. A business lobby of industrialists in Sicily recently said it would expel any member who pays the "pizzo." Ha! We will see.

Eliminating the "pizzo" has been met with violent resistance. Some merchants, factory owners and industrialists who have denounced extortion attempts by mobsters have seen their businesses torched or company vehicles damaged in recent years and a small number of businessmen have also been killed for refusing to pay the protection money (the preferred way of course).

Hiroshi said...


TOKYO (Reuters Life!) - If you're stuck in traffic when Mother Nature calls, Japan's Kaneko Sangyo Co. has developed the gadget for you.

The manufacturer of plastic car accessories drew back the curtain on Tuesday on its new portable toilet for cars.

The toilet comes with a curtain large enough to conceal users and a plastic bag to collect waste.

"The commode will come in handy during major disasters or when you are caught in a traffic jam," a company official told reporters.

Japan is situated on the Pacific "Ring of Fire" and accounts for about 20 percent of the world's earthquakes of magnitude 6 or greater.

Drivers stranded by tectonic movements or stuck in tailbacks simply assemble the cardboard toilet bowl, fit a water-absorbent sheet inside and draw round the curtain.

Pretty soon people will be driving and shiting, and on the cell phone to boot Wally! I am surprised Wham-O didn't come up with this first in the sixties? Where is good old yankee ingenuity anymore?

Santiago said...


Post to comments interaction of Wally Fay, of In The Hat blog, to it's Wallista subordinates is an unfortunate necessity. However distasteful, such exchanges do provide fertile opportunities for the seeding of Radical Demotivation in the blogger psyche. In a future comment, I will explain one of several disconfirmational communication tactics which can be helpful in disabusing bloggers of their narcissistic delusions of parity. While most bloggers evidence a startling lack of intellectual curiosity or creativity, they prove profoundly imaginative when estimating their relative usefulness or postulating visions of their own probable futures. In short, they are prisoners of their own optimistic delusions. I know of techniques which can be used to demolish those delusions and liberate bloggers from the torment of their unrealistic expectations.

Santiago said...

Saving a Seinfeld Generation From Itself.

IN CLASSIC SEINFELD FASHION, GEORGE and Jerry are sitting at their favorite coffee shop, “Dinky’s Donuts,” talking about life’s challenges. George is lamenting because of a situation he and his fiancée, Susan, find themselves in. She wants to know his PIN number for his ATM card—the only thing George has left all to himself. To share the number with her would be to surrender everything he has to her. He wants to conceal it from her as his one last shred of independence. Frustrated, he whines to Jerry, “Why does everything have to be ‘us’? Is there no ‘me’ left? Why can’t there be some things just for me?” And then he wonders, almost without thinking, “Is that so selfish?”
Without missing a beat, Jerry chides in, “Actually, George, I think that’s the definition of selfish.”
Though almost 10 years have come and gone since Seinfeld produced an episode, the show is arguably still as popular—and relevant—as ever. Television stations around the globe syndicate it daily, and at Christmastime each year another season is released on DVD. The show that prided itself on being about “nothing” was poetically about everything, parodying the spirit of the times better than any other show. Ironically, what makes the show so popular is the fact that it reflects the deep-rooted selfishness that lies within everyone’s heart. It shows what people will do to get ahead in life. It shows everything people do out of their own self-interests. To put it plainly, it’s a show about selfishness. And many people, like George, innocently wonder if there can be just a little “me” left. Terms like self-love, self-expression, self-confidence, and self-fulfillment, none of which graces the pages of Scripture, begin to dominate the church’s conversations. The first person pronoun is a dangerous weapon that Satan has utilized ever since.

Santiago said...

Menudo is the breakfast of choice for conceited, ill-mannered lothario's like Don Quixote and myself, but it is so sabroso - tempranito en la mañana. And a Tecate on the side of the bowl and plate, is just icing on the cake as you gringos are fond of saying. Now you shouldn't have it every week. But a couple or more times a year, is heavenly. Hell, there might even be a spam adaptation of menudo. Heck, I'd do a google Jeth.

enquiring minds said...

I must have missed something. did Don Q and Gava Joe break up ???

Santiago said...

Lincoln Kahn Review

For most of its 300-plus page-length, Tony Rafael’s new book The Mexican Mafia is better entertainment than The Sopranos and more frightening a portrait of armies of the night than Dawn of the Dead. Almost certainly it stands as the most revealing work about American organized crime since Nick Pileggi’s Wiseguy, the book that was the source for the movie Goodfellas.

What does Rafael have to say that groups from The Los Angeles Times to La Raza have sought to keep quiet?

Simply this: the Italian Mafia now has a large, well-organized and far more bloody rival.

The group that calls itself the Mexican Mafia—La Eme, literally the Spanish for the letter M—is responsible for more than 100 murders per year in Los Angeles County alone.

In the last decade it has perpetrated more killings than the Italian mafia has in the United States in its whole history.

Through its contacts with gangsters in Mexico, it now controls most of the movement of drugs to the West Coast and is actively involved with many other crimes, including car-jacking, auto theft, theft of phone cards and large-scale extortion of bars, shops and prostitutes.

With more than 300 "made" members, so-called carnals, thousands of "soldiers" or associates, and control over all but a handful of the tens of thousand of Hispanic street gang members in Los Angeles, it has manpower at its disposal which the Italian Mafia can only fantasize about.

It also now dominates the prisons of many parts of the West and, as a series of trials have shown, it has successfully penetrated civil service agencies and even many parts of the California law enforcement establishment.

Rafael’s book is based on a decade of research and interviews with police, prosecutors, defense lawyers and former and current members of the Eme, and it is intended as a warning. Rafael’s message is plain: unless action is taken now, the Eme will become the persistent problem that the Italian Mafia became—and will, like the old Mafia, spread across the entire country.

But, Rafael notes, given its structure and history, the Eme may prove far more deadly—as it is far more violent today than the old Mafia ever was.

Rich in detail, the book fascinates purely on that level: its revelations about the methods and terminology of this giant criminal underground are as sensational as anything in past masterpieces of muckraking like Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle.

This includes information, for example, on the prescribed method for killing an Eme turncoat. Three assassins are to lure the traitor to a discreet place and then shoot him repeatedly in the skull and face. The first shots are to be made by the killer with the smallest and easiest to conceal pistol while the killer with the biggest gun serves as the lookout.

Rafael alternates between providing a history of the Mexican Mafia with accounts of major trials of some of its leaders.

Founded in 1957 by a Los Angeles street gang member named Luis Flores, the Mexican Mafia consciously took its name in imitation of its older model. Just as La Cosa Nostra, the Eme has a process for "making" new members. Mexican Mafia members are "jumped in" through a bloody ritual in which they are sometimes shot with a BB so that they will know what a gunshot feels like. Once in the organization as a brother (carnal), the rule is "blood in, blood out". No member can speak publicly about the group or leave without sentence of death. Those who try to leave the group or testify against it are "greenlighted", marked for death on "listas", which are smuggled each day out of the California prison system by members, their families and their (sometimes unwitting) defense attorneys.

It is there, in the prisons, Rafael shows, that the Mexican Mafia first emerged as a power. Because Mexican-Americans are the largest group in the California penal system, they soon came to dominate it, and even white supremacist groups like the Aryan Brotherhood have become de facto junior partners. Flores, like nearly all the Eme leaders, spent much of his life in the jails. Before long, he had a large network of brothers committed to his idea of organizing a group of "super-criminals" capable of intimidating any possible rivals. Indeed, within just a few years, through unrelenting campaigns of murders and beatings, eMe had even come to be the top dog group in San Quentin.

By the late 1960s the organization’s principles and practices had become broadly established, and the name "Eme"—literally the Spanish for the letter M in mafia—had become accepted.

There are some dramatic contrasts between the Eme and the traditional Mafia, however—and not just degree of bloodthirstiness. Eme members are theoretically equal. In contrast with the purely top-down hierarchical structure of the Cosa Nostra, major decisions in the group are made through some process of consensus among the "carnals".

Achieving this consensus may, of course, involve conflict and violence. But in theory no carnal is permitted to "greenlight" another carnal unless it can be show that the "brother" has turned state’s evidence—providing what is known within the group as "paperwork."

One of the most disturbing of the Eme’s practices is ethnic cleansing. As one might expect of a group whose symbols include Aztec gods and which has been known to use the Aztec language Nahuatl as a means of coding notes sent among its leaders, the group is fiercely nationalistic. Rafael shows that its policy has been to push its associates to murder any and all blacks (called "mayates") who try to move into Mexican-American neighborhoods or date Hispanic women. He documents a great number of these killings along with a few of the trials that followed.

In addition, Rafael shows:

The Eme also has been known routinely to engage in thrill killings and beatings of "Chinos", a designation it applies most often, curiously, to Cambodians and Filipinos.

It is also an Eme policy and a sworn belief that threats or derogatory comments made in the presence of Eme associates and soldiers towards any Hispanic person by non-Hispanics must be repaid with violence.

Ironically, as Rafael also shows, the Emes are also contemptuous of those they call their Border Brothers, or "BBs": illegal aliens who do not speak English. The group’s Associates regularly rob and beat illegals as a way of supplementing their income.

The eMes' exploitation of aliens is clearly one of the most powerful arguments against present U.S. open borders policies. Illegal aliens are both the most common victims of the Eme and those with least ability to appeal to the police for protection from it.

Even so, these "Border Brothers" are also used to get the drugs from Mexico which the Eme and their associates sell throughout the Southwest and which is their major source of income.

Among Rafael’s other important revelations:

Like La Cosa Nostra, the Mexican Mafia includes many members from the same nuclear families, often passing on from generation to generation.

"Some families have as many members in prison as on the street. And rather than feeling shame, some of these families take perverse pride in having relatives locked up for decades or for life. Families that are deep in the Eme or a street gang have status in the barrio."

Working with La Cosa Nostra, the Eme has used corrupt Los Angeles City Council members to get funds for supposed drug treatment programs which were instead run as drug-dealing operations. Those who criticized the clinics they ran were threatened and often killed.

The eMe not only bringing in large amounts of cocaine from Mexico but high-quality amphetamine as well.

The Eme sometimes hide in Mexico, and there are more than 3,000 U.S. fugitives now south of the border.

The last fifty pages of Rafael’s book at times become repetitive, and the galley version of the book I received could have been better edited. One also wishes that the book had an index. However, this is only because the book is such a remarkable resource.

Because his message is so politically incorrect, the author speaks repeatedly of his struggles to get The Los Angeles Times and other leading outlets in California—to say nothing of the rest of the country—to recognize the seriousness of the problem. Most gang killings, he shows, are ignored. The Eme is treated in the mainstream media as J. Edgar Hoover once regarded the Italian Mafia: an urban legend or at least a gross exaggeration.

Indirectly, Rafael provides decisive evidence of how present immigration policies are feeding the Eme’s growth—and how the current double standards about race prevent discussion of the phenomenon.

Anonymous said...

SNS interesting concept on the Noretno/Bulldog break up and the rise of Sureno's in the North. I'm sure all the movement of the parents of these kids claiming South Side and shear numbers played a big part of it as well.

One thing about Fresno that you don't see as far as I know in any other California area is the fact that they actually have 3 waring Latino factions, they have Bulldog Nation, Nortenos and Surenos.

I have read and heard about the people of Southern California being more from the South and Nor Cal more from New England. Not sure how much that holds true today, I don't think I've met a person yet in S.F that is actually from there. In a zogby poll this week the Central Valley of California gave Bush the highest rating and this part surprised me, the L.A area disapproved of Bush by 1% more then the Bay Area did. There's actually more republicans up here then I had ever thought but nothing like O.C or San Diego. The far East Bay (Dublin, Pleanant etc.), seems to kinda be the Bay Area's Valley or O.C, as I know they have minutemen groups, one meets every 3rd Sunday on Bascom Ave on the border of Campbell and San Jose. I saw them one weekend myself, as usual a bunch of old crusty ass white people and few strange younger one's dressed in army clothing.

Lastly you mention West Side Libeals in L.A and I totally agree with your analogy on them but I have to say I think that also is the same for the one's in the Bay Area, I'm talking about BMW driving liberals, I can't stand them anymore then some of your conservative clowns. I'm not talking your actual foot solider activist types, just the one's with lots of cash and hate Bush but don't want "Jose" their grounds keeper's kids going to their kids schools or him moving to close to where they live.


StillNoScript said...

Another thing overlooked OC is the architectural development up here. Surenos are moving into "white flight" areas. IN other words, areas that used to be middle class neighborhoods, but that white people fled when minorities started moving in, or nearby. Nortenos up here live mostly in what were once working class areas, sort of the lower end of the middle class. Some of these neighborhoods aren't half bad. They were designed after WWII for basically average working Americans to live. Now, developers want to gentrify these neighborhoods with newer housing and newer restaurants. So, they're trying to get rid of the Mexicans. One avenue they're using is gang injunctions against Norteno gang. Why no Sureno gangs? Because Surenos up here live on unwanted land. Nobody's developing where they're at. Their areas have been left for ruin. So now, they're essentially designed to be immigrant neighborhoods. The minutemen may not want to believe it, but you can bet your ass the farm owners, and other companies that exploit immigrant labor, know it. I really wouldn't get too excited about Surenos taking over Nor Cal. Because what really seems to be taking over Nor Cal is gentrification and cheap labor. Where do Nortenos and Surenos play into this? Well, it fits like a glove. Nortenos on the gentrication end, Surenos on the cheap labor end. Instead of picturing Northern California being the next East Los, consider it being the next Palmdale or Lancaster. A no man's land where no gangs are organized. Just people with no control fighting for the illusion of control. Sort of like a gang related version of The Truman Show.

TijuanaJailer said...

SNS ....

For all the criticism/attacks you "enjoy" on this blog, you nailed this one on the head. NorCal Chicanos and their corresponding gangs, for the most part, are minor leagues. This has always been understood by anyone who truly understands gangs.

The so-called Surenos who relocate to points north are NOT part of an EME conspiracy. Rather, they are a mish-mash of illegal aliens, Chicano families who desire to move away from the madness in So. Cal areas and general Latinos simply relocating.

Most of these people are non-hardcore to begin with and, seeking a gang identity, decide to wave the Sureno flag and clashes ensue. Missing is the street gang pressure and visible EME presence that would be looking over their shoulder monitoring their every move. Missing is the neighborhood peer pressure that would require immediate large-scale retribution for any home boy hurt or killed by an enemy gang member in barrio combat.

Once this temporary fascination with "fighting the Nortenos" has come and gone, the vast majority of these guys will get back to the real world - feeding their families and working the fields.


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