Tuesday, May 10, 2005

YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, WE HAVE ANSWERS.
The email below asks an important question that resonates deeply into every neighborhood in LA. I'll answer in a very general way. I could go into specifics but I don't want to become the free information library for some LA media types that don't know how or won't do the research. Here's the question.


"Has there been a greenlight issued against so-cal blacks in the los angeles area because of a payment that has not been made to the EME after there was a purchase of narcotics? Some one was telling me that greenlights were issued at any black individual that appears to be bangin no matter their affiliation, if they look the part they are a target. I just wanted to know if this was true."

I'll take the second part of the question first. Nobody (that includes blacks, whites, asians) banging in an established neighborhood needs a greenlight to be regulated or corrected. The reader seems a little confused on terminology. Banging has nothing to do with business or politics. It's street level warfare and it could be brown vs. brown, brown vs. black, black vs. black etc. Banging is keeping your neighborhood free of incursions from rivals with no distinction made on the basis of color. It's a matter of, "This is ours, you can't be here. Period. Trespassers will be dealt with."

Neighborhoods don't issue greenlights because strictly speaking, greenlights come from shot callers. At the neighborhood level, there's always a de facto greenlight on trespassers because that's what neighborhoods do. It's understood from before you get jumped in that it's every homies' responsibility to keep out enemies.

As to the specific brown on black warfare, that depends on a number of factors and those factors vary from neighborhood to neighborhood. Some neighborhoods have shot callers that are more interested in business than warfare. They'll tolerate black dope dealers as long as they pay their taxes and don't start up sets to challenge the established authority of that neighborhood. The question implies that somebody got burned on a dope deal. I'm not aware of any specific big burn but you don't have to be black to get killed over a deal gone sideways. And you don't have to be black to have your whole neighborhood greenlighted.

Other neighborhoods don't tolerate blacks of any kind. They don't care if you're a banger, a dealer or an ordinary civilian that isn't even clicked up. These neighborhoods will not allow a black dealer to set up shop even if he's willing to pay taxes. They won't even tolerate black civilians living next door or down the block. In these neighborhoods, being black is all you need to be to get harassed, driven out or even terminated. I've come across a lot of cases like that and they ain't pretty.

What often determines the racial tolerance of the neighborhood is the personal bias of the shot caller. The shot caller establishes neighborhood policy. If he doesn't like mayates, then they don't live in that neighborhood. If he's the type that puts business above race, then some allowances are made.

As a general rule, the brothers don't do business with blacks. Also as a general rule, brothers don't like blacks moving into the neighborhood because it reflects badly on them. If the neighborhood isn't pure, or nearly pure raza, it's perceived by other neighborhoods as not being in total control. It's seen as slipping. And if you're slipping in that area, you may be seen as weak in others. And weakness is a sign that your forces are standing down and maybe the fortress has some crumbling walls.

Brothers are not big proponents of diversity or multi-culturalism. They're down for the brown and we've heard that some of the brothers won't raise their hand for somebody who isn't 100% raza no matter how much work he put in.

Before signing off, here's a story that goes back to the riots. In the famous chopper footage from Florence and Normandie, DAMIAN "FOOTBALL" WILLIAMS was seen dragging a male hispanic from a car, beating him and then spray painting him. When the brothers saw that, WILLIAMS was greenlighted. Personal hard candy. I've heard he's in PC, but I wouldn't swear to it. If anybody knows for sure, I'd like to hear about it.

Some time down the road, I'll get into the brown on black high school beefs that the big media doesn't seem to know how to report.

145 comments:

Anonymous said...

Football Williams is an Eight Tray gangmember who was convicted in May of '03 for a murder he commited in June of 2000. He shot and killed Grover Tinner a drug dealer known as "JR". This happened at a crack house on Gage and Western. And I dont know if there was a green light put out on him. Greenlights in the pen are mainly targeted toward our own. But thats another story.
Back to the whole "black gang" greenlight. There's been a rumor floating around that some Rolling 60's robbed some "EME" dope. Supposedly it was a huge amount. Now I dont know how true this is but this seemed to light the whole "any black affiliated kill" rumor. First off, it was around Cinco de Mayo so I think thats why this "rumor" started. Second off, East Coast Crips did rob Florencia 13 of some serious dope a few years back and thats why they are in a vicous war right now. Not only did they rob them but some members of F13 lost their lives and so the war continues. But as far as targeting "blacks with white t-shirts" on, that was bogus. If they was a greenlight, it would of started in the joint and then trickled down into the streets.

StillNoScript said...

The rumor involving Crips robbing EME over dope is nation wide now. People believe this is what's behind the freeway shootings.

I read at a bay area hip hop opinion site, ran by a former KMEL 106 (S.F.) D.J, that on Cinco De Mayo Los Angeles had it's highest truancy rate ever, due to a fear that there was to be random shootings of any black persons, "wearing white t-shirts".

Thankfully nothing happened; But you can't discount the fact that everytime an urban legend like this gets rolling, kids don't go to school; In most cases, held home by their parents. THIS is a major problem.

Los Angeles, from City Hall to the Streets, has some serious soul searching to do. What's happening is just sad.

I'll tell you what else; This certainly makes the mayoral race interesting.

Anonymous said...

Fashion to Die For


Claim: The Mexican Mafia is retaliating for a drug theft by killing 400 to 1,000 black men wearing white T-shirts.

Status: Undetermined.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2005]

You guys, be careful, we have heard so much in the news and those of you that were there Bishop talked about this at the second service we had last week and we know he is on the LAPD. Pass this on to anyone that you know that has e-mail. It can't hurt and it sure could help. PRAY!!!!

Unfortunately, the word on the street (which has been confirmed by a probation officer) is that the Rolling 60's (a LA gang) stole 160 kilo's of cocaine from the Mexican Mafia. In retaliation, the Mexican Mafia and other Mexican gangs have decided to target and kill 400-1000 black men of all ages who are wearing white t-shirts. This is not limited to the freeways..... I understand that this is very real and very serious. Please pass this on to EVERYONE that you know. I suggest you do not wear any white shirts at all if possible. Also, if you have on a dress shirt, consider wearing your jacket over it....

Origins: This heads-up about potential danger to those in the Los Angeles area given to wearing white T-shirts surfaced on the Internet in early May 2005. It appears to be in part fueled by the spate of freeway shootings that began on 12 March 2005 in that city and which have so far left four men dead and three wounded. Those random assaults (law enforcement officials have repeatedly said there does not appear to be a pattern to them) have left those who live and work in the City of the Angels and who are therefore fated to commute between same feeling anxious and at risk.

Yet while the freeway shootings are likely contributing to the spread of this rumor, there appears to be more at work than just a generalized feeling of anxiety finding voice through a wild tale about potential violence visited upon those who fatally make the mistake of wearing the wrong color shirt in the wrong place and at the wrong time.

Rumors of possible racial unrest tied to Cinco de Mayo have been surfacing in the Los Angeles area, causing parents in some parts of the city to want to keep their kids home from school. In response to those whispers, the Los Angeles Unified School District (LAUSD) has announced it is going to beef up patrols at some campuses. Some schools' principals have sent home letters with students informing them of the rumors and outlining the precautions being taken.

Officials at the LAUSD have been in early May 2005 hearing the rumors of possible violence between black and Latino students but can find nothing to give them credence. "No one has an idea where any of this started," said LAUSD Police Chief Alan Kerstein. "Parents can be sure that there is no substance anyone can find." The e-mailed warning quoted above that makes reference to intelligence gathered by a probation officer appears to have touched off the belief that a violent confrontation is imminent.

The rumors come after a series of racial brawls at several high schools across Southern California, including two outbreaks of Latino-versus-black violence at Jefferson High School in South Los Angeles in April 2005.

As to the content of the e-mailed rumor itself and the gangs it mentions, says the FBI about the Mexican Mafia (aka La Eme or The M.):

The Mexican Mafia, also known as the New Family, is a militant revolutionary group in the California Prison System. They are known to use violent and disruptive attacks against the California Department of Correction Authority. They engage in rebellion, insurrection and destruction of Prison property. This group is made up of primarily Mexican-American convicts from the barrios of East Los Angeles. They have expanded power outside of the penal facilities and are organized into ethnic groups who are trying to control narcotics, contract killings, robbery and forgery. This group is antiblack and has aligned itself with the Aryan Brotherhood, a white supremacy movement
The Rolling 60's are a division of the Crips, a primarily black gang that originated in Los Angeles in the 1960s and which now has chapters in major cities across the nation. The Rolling 60's are, according to former Las Vegas police gang detective Billy James Nolen, big time drug dealers, smuggling cocaine and meth across the Mexican border at El Centro, CA. "You could have anywhere from 15-20-30 pounds of cocaine that comes across the border each time and this can happen 10-15 times a day." (The 60's bring part of their shipments to Las Vegas to sell.)

Yet racial unrest and Cinco de Mayo-related rumors aside, the fears that bloodthirsty LA gang members are randomly targeting white-clad non-gang members appears baseless. Nothing has surfaced in the news to suggest that members of the Rolling 60's have made off with a drug shipment that belonged to the Mexican Mafia, nor have gang-related homicides in Los Angeles taken a sudden jump upwards, which would have been the case if any street gang suddenly took it upon itself to murder 400 to 1000 males of what it perceived to be the wrong skin color or sartorial display.

Also, given that the Crips' signature color is blue (that of their avowed enemies, The Bloods, is red), it would not make sense that a retribution aimed at one of its chapters would target not only non-Crips, but ones dressed in white rather than in the Crip-associated hue.

Barbara "color me skeptical" Mikkelson

Last updated: 5 May 2005


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Anonymous said...

Good piece but the Mexican Mafia is not "new family" Thats "Nuestra Familia" in Northern Califas, 2 completely different factions that are mortal enemies. They are nortenos and down south here we are Surenos. All the rest is right on target. Plus, Rolling 60's are real cool with alot of Sureno hoods. Especially Clantone. If I hear anything I'll be posting. Alrato

Anonymous said...

For the most part the blogger seems to have it right except for the "Not rasing there hand for NON 100% Raza" This was the issue for more then a few guys getting moved on it the county. There was one person who was trying to place this into bylaw. He got got. You see to many older Brothers are part white or even quite as it is kept 100% white, but grew up in the niehborhood. So this is just not the case, and if any brother talks this way it is seen as politcing and you know what happens when that is put on someone.
As for the 60's being in that sombrero? I think all black gangs are one foot in, on the real... As far as the eMe.

Anonymous said...

Ohh, as far as Football. He was in seg in the County. But when he went to the pen, hell there are more hiding places then places that tow the line. He walks a mainline someplace I am sure. There is only a couple dozen real PC in CDC. One section of Corcoran. You have yards like Mule Creek( I forget the exstreamly "Soft" yard there) but also you have New Folsom A Yard and parts of CMC are still PC. Calipatria has a yard and B yard Tahachapi Max is soft as hell... I am sure they have opened more. And almost any level 1 yard you can be a rat or in the hat and slide. Especialy if they are the workers for a larger level four. They want programers that cause no problems, hence they get "Special Agents" ( Check it out in the Title 15, a Special Agent usualy a clerk is required by law to rat and faollow direct orders from staff)

Anonymous said...

RUMORS..RUMORS..RUMORS!!!
The only people that know the truth is the people that were there
so whom ever did whatever thats their business,but as for that runor that mexicans were gonna get so many blacks is totally bogus!!!
If mexicans were to even think of it,it would of happened a long time ago,you know how many mexicans
are in california?mexicans are the majority.

Why not focus on convincing the state and local governments on funding our schools and parks,
prevention programs,so that our children will not fall into that
same cycle of crap that generations before them have.
The F.B.I. along with local law enforcements want to come after
gangs like they did the mafia,its
not gonna work,truth is most street gangs are not organized
if they were u wouldnt even know much of their existance,they wouldnt bring attention to them selves,so if there not organized,
how would they conviict them? by
plain association? how would that stand in court? I think money down the drain,the feds would ask local police for info on who is who,and we all know the police always makes a little rock,a giant mountain,they depend to much on
speculation, SPEND THE MONEY WISELY
AND HELP PREVENT,dont let them come to our hoods and shake our children down,cause then the ones that dont bang will feel stereotyped,then the law will put the nail in the coffin,and innocent children will have ill feelings towards law enforcement and will maybe even join gang or share the same veiws about police as the gangs do,ITS REALLY HAPPENING NOW!!!!!!go out in our streets and ask them!!
PREVENTION before DETENTION
what u think? gang violence can
be drastically reduced,i know it,
im a gangmember,and have shared my views with younger kids,guess what,
those kids didnt join my gang,they
heard the truth about the hood,and
decided not to join,one even thanked me,if it wasnt for me he would of gotn in,and wouldnt be able to turn back due to his obligation to the varrio,but since i let him know before hand,he saw that its not all cool like others would think,on the other hand they feel held back in some sort of way
do to the lack of respect from law enforcement.some cops are good,but many act like gangmembers themselves....

I'd tell you my name but,

I LIVE IN HOLLENBECK!!!!!
(heeeeeelp)

Anonymous said...

Mexicans are not the Majority last posted comment.
But the rest of your post is on time...
US Census
White persons, not of Hispanic/Latino origin, percent, 2000 46.7% 69.1%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2000 (b) 32.4% 12.5%

Anonymous said...

the last post, the second % respectivly is the US total, the first being State Of California

Anonymous said...

well maybe the reason we as latinos seem to think we are the majority is due to the fact that
in some places we never even have met or seen a census bereau official so there for the count may not be so accurate,but i guess
we have to go with the census count

BUT BEWARE IN HOLLENBECK its hard
enough with crime,but the cops WOW!
watchout!!

Anonymous said...

Its a given they are somewhat undercounted, but there is a formula that they used to make it more accurate then it would seem.

XCONGUY said...

What's up Wally? A friend who works LASO told me that the R-60's ripped off 16 kilos of some kind of dope from a clique with strong ties to the "M" The green light is in response to that. Two of my students confirmed that a cousin and a brother of a student were shot in various areas of L.A. proper. The "sky isn't falling" but the s*&t is getting deep.
Regards,
Berge

Anonymous said...

As true as some of your comments are lets keep in mind. Sureno's and blacks do more fighting in California Prisons than any other pair of enemies.Speaking strictly from experience. P-99872. Back when I did my first bid in Los Angeles Sheriff's Dept. Wayside, Saugus CA. Hispanic and blacks have been "riding" against eachother since who knows when.As Author of one of my best selling articles, that highlighted the Physchology behind it. Which i wont go into on this comment.Blacks have been victims and in some cases the antagonou, in the county jail. And in the riots of 2000 there were 2 blacks that were killed. (Ill continue to post)

Anonymous said...

I don't know about that homie. I have hit Y.A and seen yards in Avenal, Calpatria, and Corcoran and we went at with nortenos way more than mayates. In 2000, sh_t poped off at P-Bay and thats when sh_t really started hitting the fan. But in my opinion, us Surenos ride against the nortenos way more then mayates. In county we ride against mayates but thats cause there aint no nortenos. So obviously we cant ride against them. But eversince ecc went on an "innocent victim" spree against the raza (6 pack cheesetoastcrabs shooting young chicano members in L.A, no gang affiliation), we will continue to wipe out mayates. Point blank, period!!

Anonymous said...

Hope that last poster doesnt catch a 187 beef, this blogg would pretty much rap up an agravated muder charge....
He is right for the most part. It is easy to "ride against the Busters in the pens. They just aren't that deep in most the higher security places, if they are they are on a seperate yard then the sur. Like say New Foly. THe keep em on C or walk alone aloot of the time. So if you want to try and get some bones, sure stab a buster in the yard, the man will fire off a few shots, you will go down and to the hole. THen transferd after your 115 hearing. To Corcoran for a short shu term and then you are SAFE!
You hit some toad and the next thing you know it is off the hook! There is always talk about how they are scared and all that, butt I have seen em get off against anyone. Not to say I havent seen em all just run in a riot too. But it is safer in my opinion to try and get off against farmers then a bunch of 6' 3" 250lbs toads.

Anonymous said...

Norte's will ride against scraps regardless of how deep they are. Norte's have the most heart in all of Cali for standing their ground despite ongoin RICO charges and being outnumbered in most pens besides up north. Yall some racist ass fuckers.

Anonymous said...

Fuck norculos puto, you fucken sod buster, leva, faggit ass pony tail wearing, wannabe niggers!! You punk ass lames are a fucken joke to the raza. Acting like mayates and liking nutts with niggers! Serio, I've seen chapetes fucken eat off the spoon of some grease monkey. You fagget levas talk that raza pride shit but disrespect the real farmeros up Snorth by shooting innocent paisas cause they aint nigger lovers. fuck you and your dead homies puto. Put your fucken name punk bitch. And your varrio that way when my homies hit the mainline, we can cut your fucken heart out. Fucken soka. Fuck you!! Big Time Varrio Inglewood 13 Ganga Hyde Park Side!!

StillNoScript said...

This is probably the finest blog on the web devoted to urban politics in L.A.

Let's not ruin it by turning this blog into a banging thread.

I'm certain gang members are welcome and encouraged to give ideas and input to the blog; But to take it to a level of blanketed insults, and threats against other bloggers, is just plain disrespectful to this site.

Please keep the comments focused on intellegent input. I do not want to see this site taken down; Nor, I'm sure, do any of you.

Anonymous said...

I'm with "StillNoScript". North, South .... who cares?? I must admit, those last two posts had me reaching for my boxing gloves. Maybe we should encourage these characters to get in the ring. This would spice up the Boxing World for sure.

TijuanaJailer

Anonymous said...

Dude you and your boxing gloves are lame, loco. Refrain from stupid comments like that too.

Anonymous said...

Typical scrapa bangin online. U aint' nothin but words leva. You talk all big but truth be told, u and your racist ass MM budies decided to split the state in half and not respect the "farmeros". So what did u expect the homies from up north to do? We have to protect ours, like you have to protect yours. Varrio Central Vallejo X4 CHOPS bitch

Anonymous said...

vallejo?? where the hell is that?? lol sounds like some small hillbilly town up north. lol. get out with this norte balogna. you pendejos are way more black influenced living than any gangs down south. how can you talk about raza pride when you boys act black. at least down south, they're all go and no show. you farmas are all show and no go. looking all cute with red on. i want a dozen walnuts and strawberrys by the way. dont make me laugh

Anonymous said...

I only hear hate out of your mouth, where u roughed up by one in the pen or what? You live down south and don't even know about the Bay Area or Vallejo, lol so why don't you worry about those Piru in Inglewood taking out your varrio.

Anonymous said...

Dude from up north you dont know what your talking about.

Anonymous said...

I know exactly what is goin down up here foo, but I'm not gonna internet bang like your lil fake ass. You've been brainwashed and it's sad honestly.

Anonymous said...

Nortenos from the east bay and SF do talk more like blacks. But all the Raza from the south bay,(San Jo, S-vale, Santa Clara, Mountain View) 408 area code are true pachuco style in speak and dress. I now live in Southern California and you couldn't tell a norteno or Sureno apart if they were not wearing their colors (Besides the mongolian pony tail on Nortenos) On the other hand, sureno's in the Bay Area are all mostly border brothers who look and sound like wetbacks. Definitely a big difference between Sureno's in L.A. and Sureno's in the bay.
Just my two cents from a veterano from Sunnyvale.
Varrio Grande Fir St.

Anonymous said...

I don't get why nortenos talk so bad in the net but when they come down south they don't do a damn thing. They are even to scared to wear there colors, but when someone from the south goes up north they can all ways find other surenos, even if they are fake. That is funny nortenos are felling all bad because they are supposedly stepping on fake weak surenos. Try to step on the south and wear your colors when you come down, you wont and you and I know it. And please GTS don't try to act like you know anything about the south, just because you are in love with black gangsters from Streetgangs.com and Allhood.net, you are just an internet junkie, to busy on the net to be banging so shut up. You don't live down here, you don't know what is really going on, and just about every black gang is getting dealt with out here, so don't tell me what your black internet gangsters tell you.

I remember you talking about Salinas like it was a "war zone". LOL. It has the same murder rate as LA and you are trying to make it seem like Iraq. Most of you Nortenos live in one murder a year towns, if even that, wait not even one murder a year. I've seen real surenos go up north and rep there stuff and never get bothered, it's like you nortenos don't exist, not even in your turf. The only one I know that was bothered just got jumped by like 4 guys, nothing serious just elemetary school stuff.

And lets not talk about prison because even the guards have to protect nortenos there. So who is brainwashed, the surenos have more numbers, surenos are way more violent, and are more into the drug game. There is no competition and both you and I know it. And please shut up about that little RICO charge, Eme got one too but unlike the NF it didn't mess up operations as bad because Eme's presence is way to big. And last you were the one coming in here with that riding against scraps, unless you were looked up some where that is not San Quentin or the weak as Northern jails please don't waste your time typing, again in every other prison the guards have to protect you Northerners. The only surenos you ride against is fake surenos with no connection to the EME. Prove me wrong. GTS stick to your boyfriends in the other two sites, don’t ruin this one with the rants of little norteno whiners.

Anonymous said...

This is very informative link. Its the nuestra Familia timeline. This site is an L.A. site with lots of insider info on La Eme, but try this on and see how the NF got started and grown. You will be surprised, educated and more informed for future reference.

http://www.geocities.com/jiggy2000_us/familiatimeline.html

Anonymous said...

Sam Doobie is a very informative and creative male nurse from Minnesota, so that was a great essay you wrote but you haven't fooled me maybe I can shed some light on who you are to the rest of this site so they don't think your some hardcore East Side Torrance Sureno. He's a fake and a fraud, so go study lil boy, and remember wipe the old men down before you give them a bath. If anyone read his posts, would you say he is all for "RAZA", or just his own?

Anonymous said...

This is exactly what I'm talking about. You are so into that web thing that you know all the stories of the main posters. I hope you weren't trying to say I'm doobie or get my info from him. And you still have no proof. You know everything I typed is the truth. Even the black gangsters admit that the surenos are giving them a hard time, but they still have trouble admitting that it is happening to their particular hood. So don't tell me all that bullshit those black gangsters tell you. Just stick to being a forum moderator. You know that prison thing I said is true, you know that thing I said about nortenos only fighting fake weak surenos is true, and that surenos are way more violent than little tagger acting nortenos. PROVE ME WRONG KID. Not even tag banggers just taggers. Again you don't live down here so don't type about things you know nothing about. And if nortenos can't get rid of those weak fake surenos, FROM THEIR OWN TURF, how can you expect for the real surenos to take you guys seriously. In the south there is no nortenos, fake or real, and until the nortenos can do the same please don't bragg about bieng a norteno. They don't bang nearly as hard as the south.

And if you want to know I'm not a member of the site streetgangs, I saw your post because my cousin is a member in the forum. He is MNJMC, ask him a he will tell you, but this kid ain't into that norteno sureno thing so don't mess with him. That was stupid of you trying to act like you know something about me. Minnesota? Try Compton, dumb kid. One more thig I'm only going to respond to you one last time if you fell the need to bitch about the nortenos, because unlike you a have a life of my own and I wouldn't want to waste my time like you do in your internet world. BOTTOMLINE THE SURENOS ARE A LOT STRONGER THAN THE NORTENOS AND BOTH SIDES KNOW IT. Well since you care about heart so much I will GIVE you that. Get some time of your computer and spend time in the real world.

Anonymous said...

Wow...It's sad to see the level of "blind" hatred going around. In case you (all) haven't noticed, "America" has (and continues) to take us ALL for a ride, Black, Hispanic, Northern, Southern and all in between.

I'm Black and started bangin at the young age of 11. By the time I was in J.H. at Audubon I had already been conditioned to "hate" Mexicans. Not that I had the opportunity to kick it with many, but whenever we came in contact there'd be words or worse. Why? Because we came from different cultures? Looked different? Talked different? But thank God my mother moved us around alot to keep me from it. I've had experiences that many have not had the good fortune to that have opened my eyes more to the cruelty that we put one another through.

Tell me, Latinos, if your attitude is to hate Blacks, what is your reasoning? "Because they..." Right...and so do Mexicans. And Asians...and whites. The same goes for Blacks, and any other person who dislikes others for no real reason. How does this attitude differ from the racism of early America, or the continued discrimination of "America" against Hispanics, or Blacks? Ignorance is ignorance, and if you wish to dislike someone--dislike how that PERSON treated you or your family, but don't discredit an entire race or culture!

I've since married a beautiful Latina woman who knows all about my background (which unfortunately incudes some prison, but fortunately now includes a Bachelors Degree). We both feel the same about all the "blind hate" going around. She embraces her culture and I do mine, but we find common ground--which all people have.

Her brothers (there were 5 but one was killed) and cousins are/were affiliated and some are still deep. This is from East Los to San Gabe, but all respect me because of HOW I CARRY MYSELF AS A MAN AND HOW I TREAT MY WIFE! And all her brothers and many cousins say that they'd come out there for me in a minute if I needed 'em! That's love...and there should be more of it going around. Isn't there enough in life to fight instead of each other? Why teach our young brothers and cousins to follow in our own shallow footsteps when we know WE couldn't stand how the conditions were/are? Lets not continue the cycle of sh*t going around! I've had things go bad for me, too, but I KNEW what I was made of and turned it around for ME. Know yourselves, and know that you don't have to dislike anyone who hasn't done something bad TO YOU OR YOURS!

Anonymous said...

Wow...It's sad to see the level of "blind" hatred going around. In case you (all) haven't noticed, "America" has (and continues) to take us ALL for a ride, Black, Hispanic, Northern, Southern and all in between.

I'm Black and started bangin at the young age of 11. By the time I was in J.H. at Audubon I had already been conditioned to "hate" Mexicans. Not that I had the opportunity to kick it with many, but whenever we came in contact there'd be words or worse. Why? Because we came from different cultures? Looked different? Talked different? But thank God my mother moved us around alot to keep me from it. I've had experiences that many have not had the good fortune to that have opened my eyes more to the cruelty that we put one another through.

Tell me, Latinos, if your attitude is to hate Blacks, what is your reasoning? "Because they..." Right...and so do Mexicans. And Asians...and whites. The same goes for Blacks, and any other person who dislikes others for no real reason. How does this attitude differ from the racism of early America, or the continued discrimination of "America" against Hispanics, or Blacks? Ignorance is ignorance, and if you wish to dislike someone--dislike how that PERSON treated you or your family, but don't discredit an entire race or culture!

I've since married a beautiful Latina woman who knows all about my background (which unfortunately incudes some prison, but fortunately now includes a Bachelors Degree). We both feel the same about all the "blind hate" going around. She embraces her culture and I do mine, but we find common ground--which all people have.

Her brothers (there were 5 but one was killed) and cousins are/were affiliated and some are still deep. This is from East Los to San Gabe, but all respect me because of HOW I CARRY MYSELF AS A MAN AND HOW I TREAT MY WIFE! And all her brothers and many cousins say that they'd come out there for me in a minute if I needed 'em! That's love...and there should be more of it going around. Isn't there enough in life to fight instead of each other? Why teach our young brothers and cousins to follow in our own shallow footsteps when we know WE couldn't stand how the conditions were/are? Lets not continue the cycle of sh*t going around! I've had things go bad for me, too, but I KNEW what I was made of and turned it around for ME. Know yourselves, and know that you don't have to dislike anyone who hasn't done something bad TO YOU OR YOURS!

Anonymous said...

First off I'm 25 and over that bullshit in life. You don't know shit about me or about life up north, so leave it at that. You think you X3 are better then us, and you spit that garbage the MM has brainwashed young surenos with. Obviously I have a job now, so I have time to be on the internet, so what I own a home and don't have to look over my shoulder every day. So I really don't give a fuck about you or your hatred toward us northerners. And you tell me to stop talkin about Southern Cali cause I have no knowledge, ok that's fine, but you have absolutely no idea about how bad the Sur's up north are getting it. You only know of shit u heard, so miss me with that shit. Stick to what u know.

Anonymous said...

The Sur's up north are FAKE. GET THAT IN YOUR HEAD. The only time REAL Suerenos go up there is to visit family. I don't care how bad they are getting it up there, they are still there, and they are FAKE AND WEAK. And the north still can get rid of them. If some norteno tried that in the south he and the little crew he started would get wiped out in a day. In the south we bang harder and that is just how it is. Both you and I know the south bangs harder, don't even try to deny it. The #1 killer of a sureno is another sureno. We bang hard on our own and with the blacks. Now I don't believe that thing you said about the Sur's getting it bad up north, what else are you going to say you are a norteno, and I doubt you traveled all over the weak north to check up and see if it is true or not. But please don't try to make it sound like you are giving it to the true blue SURENOS.

I don't hate northerners I got family I love up there, I just can't stand those poor excuses for gangsters called the nortenos. You punks to REAL SURENOS all act like taggers and commit the same weak crimes they do, and the violent nortenos are like tag banggers to REAL SURENOS. Both of them get checked if they get out of line in the south. For real nortenos just ain't at the level with the REAL SURENOS. I travel to the north from time to time and every gang I see would get taken out the map if they came down south, both fake surenos and nortenos. We are just to violent down here. NO COMPETITION. Maybe if all of those nortenos didn't live 20 miles apart they would have someone to bang on. All you guys do is smoke weed, make some rap CDs, and feel sorry for yourselves because you live in those boring no where places. The thing you nortenos never do is that HARCORE BANGING the SOUTH is known for. No matter what you say you know that is the truth. Salinas a war zone huh? Going at it with no remorse down there are they? I checked up and they have the same murder rate as LA. Good for you old kid you found the one a place in the North that is not a joke to REAL SOUTHERN gangsters. You did the impossible. If you call that a war zone than that just tells me how weak the north is. Come south and you will see places that are a lot worse of than that. MY LAST POST to you. You know my post are the truth and don't try to deny it.

Anonymous said...

It's like arguing with a 5 yr old, are u gonna say your uncle can beat up my uncle. Like I've said I've never lived down south so I'll leave it at that, just as you have driven through up north but have NO REAL KNOWLEDGE how shit gets down. The Bay Area is "no where places" makes me laugh, your a funny guy I'll give you that. Your right it would be real safe for you to stroll through Kentucky and Calaveras in Vallejo, 22nd and Bryant in Frisco, and the whole East Side San Jose come see how the "taggers" get down. Just let it go homie your arguin over who kills more of our own kind. Get a life and see the bigger picture, that we our protectin our turf as you guys protect yours.

Anonymous said...

Ok, this is ridiculous. Neither of you Vatos have been to the areas you are talking about. I have been in both. I lived in San Jo and been to Salinas, my ex lived there. I lived in OC, San Fer and been to L.A. and Long Beach. L.A. has far more gangs per sq mile than the bay area but as I said in an earlier post, you really can't tell difference between either of them besides the color of dress. As far a NF carnals not holding it down, I disagree, there are NF members throughout the US. There are more Eme members which makes the NF brothers outnumbered but still fighting for their cause. As far as no Nortenos in L.A. you are right but you would be surprised how many Bulldogs are down here and thats the truth. F-14 as they were called before breaking off from the NF are trying to push south to L.A., which will never happen but you'd be surpirsed how many are making the journey south.
Take this from a "retired" norteno associate who now lives in So Cal. Both sides will agree to disagree and think the other side is weaker and will continue to battle. Especially in prison, where the hard core from both sides fight the real fight. Hmmm, I wonder if thats when we say "Thats the man, keeping them down"!

Anonymous said...

I hear you homie, I'm not gonna play the my side is harder than your side role but I'm gonna defend when some levas just netbang on places they have never been. I've been livin in Vallejo (Bay Area) for 25 years and have been to most of the Norte varrios from Horseshoe in San Jo, to East Marketa Salinas, LNS Mission district Frisco, 38th Oakland, and South Side Stockton. But never down south, the X3 up here are a bunch of wannabee's that saw American Me and tried to start a click of Vatos Locos. But I'm done with that aspect of my life, and have to provide for mi familia now. But I can't stand those Bullfrogs in Fresno, they're fuccin rankers that switched up and ride against Norte now. They blasted my homie last year in the back(RIP Fussy). They will never spread outside Fresno county. Not in my life at least.

Anonymous said...

Since you showed respect I’m going to respond to the retired norteno. Now I have been to the North, but only to visit family. I typed that thing about taggers to get that internet junkie all mad. He talked so much about surenos in the other forum I read, about stepping on surenos, that I had to have a little fun with the kid. Now no matter what anybody says., for them to have those fake surenos up there and not be able to take care of them fast and for good, well it just looks pathetic. Plain and simple. They are nothing but wannabe gangsters and they can’t take care of them. Doesn’t matter if what GTS says is true, they are still there. At least he finally says they are fake. That was the only thing that bothered me about the kid, at least admit that you are fighting fakes and don’t try to pass it of like you going after the real thing. You know that couldn’t happen in the south. And even you already said that the Bulldogs don’t have a chance in the south. The only time a REAL SURENO and a norteno is going to see each other is in prison, not those little local northern jails. And who has the upper hand there? You know it’s the surenos because of numbers. Whether you or any other norteno wants to believe it or not. And also you know we bang harder down here, there is no point in saying that is false. If you put a sureno gang up north they will last, if the wannabes can do it so can the real ones, but if you put a norteno gang in the south they wont last. And you now that is true. No offense but the south has everything over the north. To the point that the surenos that went to prison think the nortenos are nothing. How are you going to respect someone that the guards have to protect. So in the mind of a sureno they can’t control their turf and they aren’t doing good in prison because of numbers. NF ain’t doing good in prison either. Oh and since that kid keeps bitching about it, how did that RICO thing affect NF. Was it has bad as the other kid makes it sound? Because lets just say that RICO thing with EME didn’t hurt as bad. And GTS talks about it like it was a big deal up there.

Anonymous said...

All you do is repeat yourself with some nonsense bullshit, just move on.

Anonymous said...

You're points are valid but some of them are lacking true knowledge of the Pintas in Norte Califas. Pelican Bay is an NF Stronghold and one of the baddest prisons in Califas. Even the Sureno's in northern califorina prions need to be guarded. Its a simple matter of geography. If you're in the south, then you will obviosly have a larger influx of Surenos, as the same as in Northern california prisons, you will obviously have more Norteno's. And we haven't even talked about Texas prisons or prison throughout the southwest that have Texas Syndicate, Mexical Cartel and Border Brother gangs. Numbers rule in their geographic locations. Gangs aren't as rampant in the bay area as they are in the So Cal area since the bay area is more affluent. Poverty areas in Soutern california greatly outnumber those in the Bay and theres just a larger population. But to say a "True" sureno gang could set up shop in the bay are whould be difficult. They would simply be outnumbered. Second, why would they when they have it made is So Cal? Besides paying eme taxes, they have their own hoods to protect them. Thirdly, if it was so easy, don't you think they would've done it by now? I'm sure spreading business up north with be a cash cow for La Eme, but they even know that it would be costly in terms of drugs, money and soldiers. Same could be said for Nortenos moving south, just not worth the headaches and losses. So I guess California will always be a state at brown civil war with itself, our version of the Korean War with soldiers fighting in the DMZ. The DMZ being what we call the California Penal System. "Retired Associate" Mr. Joker Locs

Anonymous said...

I'm from the North and have to say to the guy calling all surenos up north wannabes and fakes,You obviously don't know sh$%^&t. There are quite a few EME vatos up north despite the sureno netbanger's assertions only LA has gangsters. Here's what get's me though, I know OG nortenos with much respect who are on speaking terms with some of these EME soldiers/captains. I have a question hoping someone can answer it? I read an indictment where some eme members were charged with killing Victor Murillo in Tulare (Tula). Later on I seen another affadavit charging NF members with conspiracy in the same killing. If true, this might be a reason to overturn someone's conviction.
Another thing, I recently had a homie parole from new folsom. He's a norteno and when he got out, he told me the surenos where showing him and the homies much love. He said the surenos where way deeper and looked out for the homies-sounds kinda far fetched . If anyone knows anything to this effect please post. As for the sureno who thinks only LA has gangsters, even if it were true, you aint one of them or you wouldn't be on this blog talking shit. You'd just listen quietly for info that may be of use to the gang. Killers don't talk shit, they get over!

Anonymous said...

Lets not get anything twisted. I have never heard of a NF Solider and a EME soldier "being cordial" with one another. I lived in and around San Jo for twenty years. Louie Chavez, Crazy Jerry (in the wheelchair) and have frequented JP's bar. If you know any of those names of places than you know they are truly cliqued. San Jo was NF HQ in the 80's and early 90's until it was moved to Stockton because San Jose got too hot after operation Black Widow. Lets not get confused with Nortenos and NF Members or Surenos and Eme members. They are different things. I can say a Norteno and Sureno mabye shooting the shit together but no way an NF Soldier and EME Soldier would be doin that. They would be taken out by their own for fraternization. Both EME and NF has a kill on site policy for one another. So I think you, lil homie, have been getting some bad info or perhaps inaccurate info. And for the record, there are no hard core EME Brothers in The bay. Never seen or heard of one in over 20 years. Maybe in the Pinta, but not on the streets.

Anonymous said...

Lets not get anything twisted. I have never heard of a NF Solider and a EME soldier "being cordial" with one another. I lived in and around San Jo for twenty years. Louie Chavez, Crazy Jerry (in the wheelchair) and have frequented JP's bar. If you know any of those names of places than you know they are truly cliqued. San Jo was NF HQ in the 80's and early 90's until it was moved to Stockton because San Jose got too hot after operation Black Widow. Lets not get confused with Nortenos and NF Members or Surenos and Eme members. They are different things. I can say a Norteno and Sureno mabye shooting the shit together but no way an NF Soldier and EME Soldier would be doin that. They would be taken out by their own for fraternization. Both EME and NF has a kill on site policy for one another. So I think you, lil homie, have been getting some bad info or perhaps inaccurate info. And for the record, there are no hard core EME Brothers in The bay. Never seen or heard of one and I'm 34 years old. Maybe in the Pinta, but not on the streets. You only see surenos.
Joker Locs

Anonymous said...

I said the vato was a well respected norteno, not an NF member. I know the norteno's and the eme member's name but I'm no snitch and to say their names would be dry snitching, so I'll leave it at that. Actually quite a few nortenos knew this vato and the only thing I ever heard from them about this guy was, " he aint no joke and is very dangerous."
I believe there was an attempt at a truce between the NF and EME under a platform called la chicanada or brown crowd so they must have talked to each other then.
How come I can't find any info on the "SOUTHSIDE GOVERNMENT" anywhere? A few homies coming out the joint have told me about them, yet I haven't found any gang experts able to provide info on them.

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, the vato in the NF who was working on the chicanada project with the EME was ousted and I believe hit for fraternizing as you stated they would. I'm not disagreeing homie, I'm just saying everyone doesn't follow the rules and especially not those who think they are above them.

Anonymous said...

How long have you been retired? By the way I didn’t mean just someone from the south just coming north and trying to start something . What I meant was if one norteno and sureno gang were just to switch sides to me it looks like a surenos can stand it up there. A bunch of gangs out here, with all of there enemies surrounding them and outnumbered, still manage to keep there hood and get respect. Now I never hung around the places you mentioned in the north, but gang violence over there isn’t as bad by looking at the numbers. So the north probably does have some gangs surrounded by enemies but I don’t think they are getting hit as hard like down here. And I didn’t say it was easy, just nothing that would be overwhelming.

As for that southwest and Texas thing I don’t know much about that. From what the Paisas down here tell me for the most part the only cartel members that are in USA prisons are the ones on the losing side. It doesn’t really matter because unless the guy in prison did something to piss off the cartel he would just switch sides to the cartel that is winning a war, and he would just switch because the ones out here in prison ain’t really members just people that work for the cartel. Now the only time I heard, read actually, about something serious going on with Eme and a cartel was an article I read about the Arellanos trying to break an Eme member out of prison, which I don’t believe. I don’t think the Mexican Cartels are a big factor in prison politics or in street power. I think all they do is spread money around to make their stay in prison more comfortable and they sell drugs to anybody. They don’t play favorites, they would sell to Eme, NF, Blood, Crip, FOLK, and any body with the money to pay. I know there are some cities were the Paisas generally live in the south and up north but out here they don’t start nothing with no one. The only time they do fight is when they fight each other. It might be different in Arizona and Texas, were I heard some things. But them drug dealing Paisas out here are cool with everybody. Besides the ones out here ain’t really killers, the Cartels keep their killers in Mexico were they are badly needed, especially with the that big time war they are having down there.

Anonymous said...

I agree, in So Cal they have alliances with the cartels to get the drugs over the border. In Texas, its lil bit crazier. El Paso is become quite the war zone out there. Just like we have TJ, they have Juarez and the Juarez Cartel and all the Varrios on the El Paso side as well as the Texas prison gangs. Texas Syndicate tries to regulate in the Pintas and consider Eme and NF as enemies. Their main rival in the Texas Pintas are Mexikanemi (Their version of the Mexican Mafia) I believe they are also called Eme. But I guess when it comes to drug running, uneasy alliances are made under and over the radar. An alliance for business can quickly turn into a war over one bad deal. Brother, I been retired since about since the mid 90's. I moved to So Cal (Santa Ana) to take care of family and thats who I claim now. My familia, my blood, who I would gladly give my life for. Thats the most important thing to fight for right? :o)
Mr. Joker Locs

Anonymous said...

Look this is kinda crazy, I am a wood but I have been up north at the bay in the and in New Folsom. I beem in Palm Hall Corcoran SHU. I knew JM, Rock Luna from Big Hazard lots of folks that aint dead including T.O.P.O. Quate from
La Rana most the Big Hommies and at no time has there ever
been a eMe eNe truce. One would violate an agreement between the Brand and eMe.It just aint gonna happen.John Youngster S.(Mr. Alice Baker ) and Quate are crimies. I doubt the brotherhood they have together is going to be messed with.

Anonymous said...

Another vato I know who just got told me the Surenos/Eme are at war with all races. I asked if that meant the woods too and he said all races.

Anonymous said...

Funny, they are not at way with all races. No wood v sur . You are just trash talking. Just got off the horn with made guy and he laughfed when heard about that. No war with Woods nice try dude.

Anonymous said...

I'm not trash talking, just looking for info on something I heard. Besides if you really knew anything, you'd know prison politics can vary from prison to prison and even from cell blocc to cell blocc. The surenos may be smashing on woods and you just don't know. I've been in the state before and seen former rivals join forces against us and vice versa. If I was trash talking , I'd tell you to keep hanging on the Eme's jock cause you need them alot more than they need you.

Anonymous said...

papers in san diego reported that a
made man that was busted in mexico was almost freed,when a local cartel tried to break him out from jail,check the san diego papers.

Anonymous said...

when was this?

Anonymous said...

not that long ago,check your search engine on,the bat/san siego
about a jail break in mexico,theres a couple of stories
to that.

Anonymous said...

MOTHER FUCK A NORCACA, ALL OF YOU BITCHES AINT ABOUT NADA. YOU RUN LIKE PUPPY DOG HOE'S EVERY TIME YOU SEE A SURENO COMING YOUR WAY.

Anonymous said...

NO BODY KNOWS HOW HARD IT IS TO BE A DOWN ASS SURENO, BECAUSE NOWADAYS GANGS AINT ABOUT SHIT. WHEN YOUR GONNA DIE YOUR GONNA DIE THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT!

Anonymous said...

If all you have to provide is netbangin then kicks rocks, put in work on the streets not the net.

Anonymous said...

Give a fuck, I'll do what i want to do.And next time check your spelling you idiot!

Anonymous said...

HI

Anonymous said...

Yeah, thats right bitches this is my site. Nobody can stop me from my freedom of speach bitch!

Anonymous said...

you guys trip me out big time . i was born here in northern california i have much respect for both sides north an south for the fact that no matter what bro somos carnales no matter where were from we wear the same color day in day out, bro and thats the color brown! recently up here their has been alot of norteno vs. surenos killings up here big time. in one night we had 4 vatos get wipped of the map for good here in modesto ,ca that rocked this town bro ,all in differt areas of town. surenos are always trying to prove a point down here by shooting somebody,mostly all surenos that pull these type of moves bro a hard core borderbrothers trying to fit in. i know in southern california their are seen mean ass carnales down their puttin it down just as the carnales do it up here in the north. its a fuckin vicious cycle ,bro! lifes short carnales, the only time i would blast somebody bro is if the fucker was threating my family by breaking in my house or trying to fuck with my kids. itssad to see young carnales getting locked for life and getting punked in the pinta ,and that goes for both sides . i rather have you guys by my side kickin it barbequeing slammin down some cold ones and making fun each other ! puro raza locote que no carnales!! .... pico rivera!hope you guys enjoyed los cuarto vato locos (los garcia brothers)! because we sure did up in here san jose... que viva hebbronville ,tejas!!! keep it low and slow carnales!!! your hermano up north!!

Anonymous said...

nortenos will win, u fuckin sur ratas will eat shit, us nortenos in richmond ca are always lookin for a scrapa about to put him to sleep, cause us nortenos love to put in work, kill a fuckin scrap and leave his ass in the dirt, saw the wrong color get u hit like thunder. and until my death, i'll hold my rag up high, i'll be a norteno til the day i die, MERCED NORTENOS, FUCK LA SCRAPAS

Anonymous said...

Relax little man, you might get a heart attack.
Dont say anything about norcaca shit because nobody cares...seriously.
Fuck a buster everyday all day.

SOUTH SIDE X3

Anonymous said...

L.A County and San Diego County side by side putting it down like it's 1999 mother fuckers.
And none of you nortontos can never fade us.
You can't kill us all pendejos, and for one that you putt to sleep 1000 more will rise right behind us....straight up ESE.

Anonymous said...

Were's the merced norcacas at.
Nowhere to be found-that's right.
South Siders are always putting it down 24-7.
Anyways, everybody having a good day, good Ha ha!
SOUTH SIDE SURENOS X3

Pelon said...

Agreed with the Buster... don't dry snitch, calling out names & shit! And to the wood, ,what up with you mentioning the homie Cuate in the Bay SHU... no one's asking for your two sense on the homie, why the urge to speak his name? Read some M. Aurelius and learn to keep your trap shut, if you've been torcido you'd know better!
Look, bottom line... the homie who's really about handling his... you're not gonna hear from that vato till he's standing over you scalping your shit... stop running your traps, especially about issues and people that don't concern you!

Anonymous said...

These Lil Trompas Dont No Nada Bout That Norte Lado Im From Salinas E Castroville Califas And It Is The War zone These Foolz 4rm La Just Hating Cuz Salinas Got More Crime Rating Then L.A Does And Its Hard Watching Homies Getting Shot Everyday But They Aint Going Out On There Knee'z Theyre Going Out Standing Up Like REal Nortenos And For All U Homies 4rm The North That Think Your Towns The $hit And Will Never Get Tooken Over Think Again Bro Wake Up And Smell The Gun Smoke Cuz The Movement Is Happening These Scrapas Is Trying To Pull The Smooth Creep And I Admit Their Giving the Homies From SAlas A Hell Of A Ride Those Bastardos Are Sneaking Ak'z Across The Border And coming Here To Put In Work We Dont Box It Out Or Shank It Out Anymore Its Blasting On Site Both Sides And To All The REal Homies U Would Give Much Respect To That Salinas Norte Becuase Were holdin These SCrapas From Comin To The North We Dont Have Paisa Scraps Anymore We Have 2 Many Ene Drop Outs And Str8t Up Loc'd Foolz 4rm The Sewer ANd We Puttin In Work To Keep That Norte Vida Salinas East Marketa St. And North Side Castro ON Mine We Dumpin Ona Daily Basis To Get RId Of These SCrapas SO Keep That Rag High And Represent That Norte Side If We Lasted This Long We Can Last Longer Al Ratoz Carnales

Anonymous said...

SHUT UP STUPID.

Anonymous said...

Little bitch from salinas has a lot on his mind-maybe we should crack his head open and see what else his got in there.

Anonymous said...

When you fucking stupid norcacas write down all your little stupid thoughts, all i hear is blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
RUN UP OR SHUT UP!

Anonymous said...

Spoken like a true X3 netbanger.

Anonymous said...

What? And nortenos don't netbang?

Anonymous said...

why does every sur RATA think all nortenos are farm workers fuckin dumb putos.All the surenos in the north get punked hard there all little fuckin snitches getiing all my vatos in prison scared to handle their own ProblemsThe Norte is strong we got vatos all over Northern califas. Oakland, San Fran, Vallejo, SAN JO, Merced , Richmond, Salinas, Fresno, Bakersfield,Monterey,Santa rosa,Sacramento

East Side SAN JO XIV 14 POR VIDA

blackbyrd said...

u$ norte$s are tha deal, we respect one another even if u ont know tha ene, we still back each other up damn ratas killing each other in l.a for their derty ass streets that hard to walk with wit all da derty thrash on side walk$ us norteno$ rifamos todo cali....::

Anonymous said...

I say we put the green light on every nortonto.
Put the mother fuckers to sleep and sleep for good, tired of them thinking that they are even on the map....bunch of confused mother fuckers.
I don't think that norcacas know how bad this shit can really get.
Shit, let me tell you mother fuckers something this shit can get really ugly.
Us SOUTH SIDERS DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BANG. OUR FUCKING NAME SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. DONT NOBODY WANT NONE OF THIS.
ANYWAYS LIKE I SAID, I PROPOSE THAT WE START ELIMINATING THIS SO CALLED NORTONTOS OF THE MAP.
LET IT RAIN MOTHER FUCKERS, LET IT RAIN.

Anonymous said...

Blah, Blah, Blah, nothin but words and wishes from a nobody that doesn't even bang. Come up norte and put in some work tough guy.

Anonymous said...

I am up snorte puto and im always putting in work, unlike you buster.
So leave me alone go with your mommy and help her cash her welfare check so that you guy's dont run out of food.



PURO SUR X3...THAT'S RIGHT.

Anonymous said...

AQUI QUIEN RIFA HOMEBOYYYY.

FROM SICK SIDE SAN DIEGO TO WEST COAST LOS SCANDALOUS.............
SURENOS HOMEBOY THAT'S RIGHT.
X3 SOUTH SIDE SURENOS X3
X3 SOUTH SIDE SURENOS X3
X3 SOUTH SIDE SURENOS X3
X3 SOUTH SIDE SURENOS X3
X3 SOUTH SIDE SURENOS X3
X3 SOUTH SIDE SURENOS X3
DON'T HATE ESE,JUST LET IT GO.

Anonymous said...

Fucking stupid gangbanging turds.

Anonymous said...

Calmate buey.

Anonymous said...

Pinchis nortontos pulidos y hechos de mierda. A la verga putos mamenme la pinchi verga. Pinchis hijos de puta bomba madre, pinchis cagados estupidos punales.

Anonymous said...

Kick rocks scrapa

Anonymous said...

no....you kick rocks bitch

Anonymous said...

lol good comeback

Norte Chicano said...

San Jo X4

ADALBERRTO GONZALES said...

ADALBERTO GONZALES THAT'S MY NAME BITCH'ES, LOOK ME UP. PURO SUR 13CE UP IN HERE.FROM TIJUAS TO FRESNO WERE TAKING CONTROL ';'
THAT'S RIGHT!
DON'T BELIVE ME, THINK I'M CRAZY, LOOK ME UP WILL SEE WHO'S REALLY DOWN FOR THEIR SHIT.
BRING IT ON NORTONTOS, BRING IT ON!

RUTHLESS said...

k onda homiez just wanted to say FUCK NORTE KAKATORCES. and about FLORENCIA13 AND ECCRABS, keep fucking up mayates. IF u wanna find ECCRABS they kick it on 71th onthe middle of san pedro and avalon and on 70th in da middle of main and broadway. N-E ways fuck crabs n to the homiez from florencia stay sur up i kick it with a homie from florencia up here in da 503 p-town and we reprecent on norkakas and pussy ochos. Aka el varrio ke rifa es la PRBOYSX3 y la SXS3. n-e ways fuck compton varrio segundo y faketeen st. go back to cali putos also da CVTUNA FISHES. PURO SOUTHSIDE BOYSX3 UP IN DA 503 PORTLAND,OR.well laterz just remember stay true to da blue and fuck da colorado y el diss siocho.a was up to da SC,L.A. PLAYBOYSX3. fuck haters alrato MR.RUTHLESS:. 4RM la 503BOYSX3.

Anonymous said...

You Don't Really think, You'll be able to ever drive Blacks out of so-cal do you, because if you do, you are dreamin!, that will NEVER happen, you have the numbers true, but i will bet my life you Surs couldn't handle a unifer front fron so-cal black gangs, Damus and Locs?, it happening now. I'm white, and i find it very funny you would ally with white supremists. Let's say high pothectically you were able to destroy all black gangs in so-cal(IMPOSSIBLE), the AB's would off you next, they laugh at you fools behind your backs, and then on top of that you can't even stop killing YOURSELVES!!!, then add in the Norteno's in Northen Cal. Your cause is DOOMED TO FAILURE WAKE UP!!!

Anonymous said...

Shut up white trash! Your talking out your ass just like every other bitch out there.

Anonymous said...

folk

Anonymous said...

white trash, niggers, and chinks are all nothing but a waste of perfect space for more mexicans. That's Right. Hahaha! What you gonna do.SOUTH SIDE SURENOS X3.
AQUI RIFANDO PUTOS Y QUE!

Anonymous said...

What a piece of shit, can you be more specific MR. Super Sur banger because SOUTHSIDE SURX3 is what lil kids say who ain't down. Where u from leva?

Anonymous said...

Sur Are the Biggest Killers of Surs, Which is Hella funny because they talk all that La Raza Bullshit, then blow there fellow man's brains out. Real Fucking Smart, Surs have alienated themselves from everybody else on the streets, including themselves. They prove how dumb they are everytime they open their fucking mouths Dumbasses they deserve their fate.

Anonymous said...

FUCK ALL U SCRAPS ASS ESSAYS FUCKEN BEANERS BORDER HOPPERS GO SUCK THE NORTE'S DICK

ESE CHE said...

CENTRAL VALLEY IS WEAR I STAY VST IS MY GANG 13 MOTHERFUCKERS 559 KINKGS COUNTY FRONT LINE SOLIDER .
WE PUT IT DOWN EVERY DAY ITS A MANDO 187 ON CHAPS FUCKEN LAEMS WERE TACKEING OVER,EVEN IF YOU VATOS IN L.A SAY WERE NOT REAL WILL COME ON UP AND FIND OUT FUCK BUSTERS.

Anonymous said...

ALL YOU DUMB FUCKS JUST NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP.
YOU GUY'S ARE PROBABLY THE TYPE OF GUY'S THAT GET ALL EXCITED WHILE YOU TYPE THIS SHIT INTO YOUR COMPUTER TOO. RELAX, SURENOS ARE TAKING OVER AND NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES YOU GUY'S TRY TO WRITE WHATEVER BULL SHIT YOU WANT TO WRITE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BACK OFF OR STOP FUCKING YOUR MOTHERS.
SO DEAL WITH IT! SOUTH SIDE X3

Anonymous said...

FUKIN NORPUTO NET BANGERZ! YALL AIN SHYT IN THE BARRIO HOLMEZ!! SO DONT EVEN SPEAK. PURO SURX3 POR VIDA!! Y HASTA LA MUERTE!! PURO SUR3NO X3!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Your hilarious, you ain't from a set, hollarin "PURO SURX3"

Go walk in front of a bus and do us a favor.

Anonymous said...

You'll never be shit but hoes for the mexican Mafia, like i said you fags murder each other more than anybody else you are already self destructing now. what you are doin, is called genocide, know what that is dumbass?, guess not, because you'll just com back with another lame-ass (Surs run Shit) speech. If you really are dominating in So-cal, why not kill ALL the other gangs in the city?, you got it like that right? No you don't. The reality is as bad-ass as you think you are, run up in Grape Street, or the Jungle with that bullshit, better yet, go to Northen Cal, and Murder some of them Norte's up there. But you don't have to go up there to kill your own, why not just do that at home in So Cal, in your own hood? Wake up you pathetic fucks, before you don't even have a ,"Raza", to be proud of anymore. You might as well join the nazi and the Klan and Sing, " WHITE POWER", while your killing your own people, and gewtting butt fucked by tha Aryans. I guess sometimes you gotta let a hoe be a hoe LOl,,,,,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

I should of know that it was some little punk white boy typing all this shit. HEY NERD! why dont you go back to your porn site and beat off to your fucking mother.
I dont know where you get your little piece of shit information but you got the game all twisted white bread. So before you start writing shit get your facts straight. Oh and before i forget it's not our fault you ass got punked in school, so stop your crying bitch.

kNOW BY ALL. HATED BY SOME, BUT MOST RESPECTED. SOTH SIDE SURENOS X3 (DEAL WITH IT BITCHES)

Anonymous said...

I aAm Mexican Jackass, just not some stupid-ass gang member killing my own people

Anonymous said...

"SOTH SIDE SURENOS X3 (DEAL WITH IT BITCHES)"

Still not a gang, try next time.

Anonymous said...

Obioulsy we have somebody here that is hating on his own race. We call you people (Levas)
And i dont know how much history you dugg up Mr.know it all.
But SOUTH SIDE SURENOS is the biggest and baddest gang in Southern California. But i guess not every mexicano knows that. Or is it just you you dumb fucking Leva!
And quit writting to me you fucking faget. Get of my nutt sack you remind me of your mother.

Anonymous said...

There is always so dumb idiot who thinks he knows it all. Those poeple end up dead. x3

Anonymous said...

Actually that is what fools netbang with that aren't from a hood, like you.

Anonymous said...

So what was the conclusion on who's really bullshitting, and who is doing what their not suppose to be doing??

Anonymous said...

Nothing gives to any facts yet on the root case or initial inscodents that created this drama / conflict.

Facts:

...a fact can be easily misconstrued

...most every one I know in the SS does have a grudge based on color

...regarding the north-south, Power belongs to the originater of the system. Its up to the other to put the better system. Their is only one side that can have the man power in holding down the original principles. "2 captains cant exist under a same circumstance when their is someone else twisting the facts." and before any one wasted their time in looking me up and trying to phase me,, I'm just a regular southlander with no background or affiliation that talks with my 2 cense.

Anonymous said...

Clarification on the above: comment "Their is no grudge I know of based on color"

Anonymous said...

To much talk about this and talk about that but you bitches don't come nowhere near the truth about what a sureno is. So shut the fuck up!
The dumb pathetic little things you guys type on here are really fucking stupid. And the only reason you come in here to talk shit is because you have no balls to do in front of someones face. And yes i know that i'm going to check this Bloger later and i'm going to find some fucking hater wrote some dumb fucking shit like "blah blah blah blah blah" QUIT YOUR CRYING BITCHES!

SAN DIEGO SOUTH SIDE SURENOS X3
MR.WICKED ONE (Go ahead let the bull shit begin)Bunch of fucking cry babies.

~Sexxy~ said...

Fuck the Norcacas, they aint nothing but a bunch of punk ass bitches!! It's all about the
Surenos represtin' 24/7.

Anonymous said...

Has it NEVER ocurred to any of these chamos that it was the SYSTEM (racist governments, anti-immigration fascism, economic segregation et al.) that put these "gang wars" into motion?

You are pawns of the systems. And instead of having some cohonas and being a real revolutionary, you just kill each other and make it easier for the man to keep you in the barrio, drunk and shooting it out...or in prison.


Soy Venezulano...born in NYC, I lived between Caracas and Colombia for many years. Now I'm in Cali and I see all this loco street bullshit and my heart breaks. It's the same all over chamos. You are just falling into the TRAP. US "policy" (call it what the fuck you want: War on Drugs, Anti-immigration, Security, Economy) is cleverly killing Latinos, keeping you all in the streets shooting each other, or in prison.

Why not concentrate on some things that might actually have benefit to the people and the culture?

You act like dogs you die like dogs: ¡muy corriente!

Can you imagine how strong you would be in your communities if there was not the constant threat of violence?

Call a TRUCE and everyone becomes stronger. Every time you take revenge, you create a Universe of bloodshed and suffering. If you really are this evil deep down, than maybe the MAN is right to want you EXTERMINATED.

Well faramalla? Tell me por favor...

Anonymous said...

Has it NEVER ocurred to any of these chamos that it was the SYSTEM (racist governments, anti-immigration fascism, economic segregation et al.) that put these "gang wars" into motion?

You are pawns of the systems. And instead of having some cohonas and being a real revolutionary, you just kill each other and make it easier for the man to keep you in the barrio, drunk and shooting it out...or in prison.


Soy Venezulano...born in NYC, I lived between Caracas and Colombia for many years. Now I'm in Cali and I see all this loco street bullshit and my heart breaks. It's the same all over chamos. You are just falling into the TRAP. US "policy" (call it what the fuck you want: War on Drugs, Anti-immigration, Security, Economy) is cleverly killing Latinos, Blacks, and basically just POOR PEOPLE in general... keeping us all in the streets shooting each other, or in prison.

Why not concentrate on some things that might actually have benefit to the people and the culture?

You act like dogs you die like dogs: ¡muy corriente!

Can you imagine how strong you would be in your communities if there was not the constant threat of violence?

Call a TRUCE and everyone becomes stronger. Every time you take revenge, you create a Universe of bloodshed and suffering. If you really are this evil deep down, than maybe the MAN is right to want you EXTERMINATED.

Well faramalla? Tell me por favor...

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

puro compton varrio segundo fuck prb and hobz u fukin haterz. fuck any one down with yall sluts its all about c.v.s. 13 fuck a fake and fuck a buster. c.v.s. lil criminal x3 503 varrio mexican x3 crazy b.s.v. X111 lil loc. fuck all u haterz

Anonymous said...

fuck prb and hang out bitchez c.v.s. por vida

Anonymous said...

Your to far from the real issue to get all Passionate on us"
Dont deviate from the real issue..
To many Homies are loosing their lives for you trying to down-talk people.

"Who's really bullshitting and doing what their not suppose to?"

Anonymous said...

Shut the fuck up mother Teresa!
Everybody up in here sound like a bunch of fucking cry babies, Waa waa waa.Get some fucking balls and represent were your from.
San Diego South Side Surenos X3
MR. Wicked One.

Now go ahead and leave me your pussy ass messages.

Anonymous said...

You cant phase me with set claiming.. Your either that piece of chorizo I smell burning next door or a 16 year old with no clue to what I said. "Cuando apenas vas por tu lechita'' lla te tengo tu quesoto aqui", & to translate; You cant swing a true k-swanger, where your mostlikely out in the burbs trying to bring plato to the hood your claiming,or have no idea of high power hoods around you that'll put you on check for me. What are

you trying to claim??

I'm after the root drama & others that would make you run like a little chavala. Put your money where your mouth is, if you think your being balls out" Youll find me deeper in the south knowing enough from the four food chains, to say that any one else proclaiming to be on top here behind the 411 are way out of line. If you all are really on point with the run down, your most likely the possers that are twisting the shit around.

No ones realistic to say that the drama/violence will completely disappear one day, if we still have all these snakes & two face people next to us. The only way to get to the bottom of shit, is to also deal with the unseen things that lay at the bottom & the other things that are stirring up everybody. Rage is still justified in court, where these other trix arent..

Lots of us dont know yet the extremes other people go in getting away with their bullshit. "Like Bozo before me who morelikely will squirm away like a little Bit*$#@!

These wanna be players that are getting all caught up are only being lazyass chumps who are still not doing what they suppose to.
Whats the point of flexing on me through a webpage if it only makes you and the rest of us look stupid?

Anonymous said...

Shut the fuck up baboso and if you dont have the balls to write bitches pues ay te va buey BITCHES.
Calm the fuck down cagado. If You really want to start some damamge pues hit me up with your info y nos areglamos puto.
I bet your just gonna write another movie scrip and hide in your "Four Food Chain" piece of shit knowledge. Pendejo!
Go and suck a dick leva, leave this kind of business to the real G's.
Fucking wolf ticket seller.

Anonymous said...

Shut the fuck up??
Suck a dick???
Pendejo?, baboso?
Puto??

I'm sure stick & stones once hurt your bones" but your lame ass words aint doing shit..

& plus I dont fight after school. Arent you forgetting that you allways wright at around 7:30 am. Keep on being that good boy and dont be late to first period, you could grow up to be like me one day and have your own script also "do us all a favor" instead of being a net banger with no real shit to say. "I'm sorry I meant say real business"

I'm sure your gonna stay on this page here after hittig everybody up thats bringing something worthwile to the Raza,, where you could only continue "peer pressuring" people into joining your little gang behind putting in work and getting caught up in the system like a rat, informant, actor, agent, puppet cia, super hero or what other shit all you true chavalas are calling yourselves.

Its bee fun!
where I'm done using all you punk bitches in my script. (Punk: coward ass buster, Bitches: worthless Ho's)

If I'm wrong about "who ever being a posser and bringing bad light to your so call San Diego hood, You shouldnt have a stroke then, if none of this originally had pertained to you<
ITS UP TO YOU IF YOU WANT TO KEEP BRINGING THE BULLSHIT:.

Anonymous said...

By the way, Mr. Wicked? are you good at distinguishing writers of movie scripts? was it a lucky guess? or was it that you simply looked me up the following day and found out who I really was??

Anonymous said...

Shut the fuck up you little girl.
Keep writing your movie scrips...you got me intrigued.
Who wins in this movie the punck ass bitch piece of shit mother fucker or ME?



ME.
go ahead give me more you faget.

Anonymous said...

I knew you would like it up in the "END", but dispensa,, I'm not into getting shit on my dick.

Why dont we play a race to the corner instead, since it seems that your still trying to prove something to everybody.

I gotta say that its you who's brainwashed here and still cant get it., the movie was over 13 years ago.

I was never taken down...
What other info you want about me? "I'm not that hard to find.

(Whos bullshitting & doing what their not suppose??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Anonymous said...

FUCK EVERY ONE WHO'S A NET BANGER THIS FLORENCIAx3 GANGSTA LIVES IN THA CHI-TWN WE SURENOS ARE ABOUT 300 DEEP OUT HERE.WHEN SOME KING ASK WERE YOU FROM I LET THEM KNOW WHERE IM FROM THEY DONT FUCK WITH OUT HERE THERE ALL ABOUT MONEY. NO GANGBANGING SO IM STRAIGHT FOR NOW.. ALL THE MADNESS CAN STAY IN L.A IM.. OH AND FOR ALL THEM PEOPLE SAYING TO MUCH SHUT UP YOU FUCKEN RATA'S ... LATES SCLA FX3 KEEP PUTIN IT DOWN!!!!

Anonymous said...

I’m sure we’ll find the bullshitters one day and see who were the ones doing what they were not suppose to.
Theres a line that none of us should cross and rules that should be followed, regardless what your stance may be. To much has fallen way out of proportion.
I fly straight under no affiliation and have been able to maintain my record clean so far, where I do small business support in the District of Florence and have been driven also by the local profits.
Lets not get it twisted.

Anonymous said...

And yes, I could probably be found on the 300th block.

Anonymous said...

SAN DIEGO SOUTH SIDE SURENOS X3
MR. WICKED ONE I'M OUT!

Anonymous said...

fuck all you niggers and fucken snorthsiders you fuck putos will always be scared, jump if you think you can , but ill be jumping to snatch all you fucks down .. we sursiders will fuck your nf family up with all the chessetoasters fuck you all

Anonymous said...

Fuck all you lying two face cowardass, cant walk straight motherfuckers who allways gotta hide behind the system to try to screw us over

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big bkface said...

Crips have killed other crips like theres no tommorow so fuck the hype.

Anonymous said...

fuck scraps , chaps , blood and crips this border brother all day everyday!!!

Anonymous said...

FUC BEANER BORDER HOPPING WETBACC SEWERRRATS LEVA FUCC BULLFROGS N FUCC SLOBS AKA SILLY LITTLE OF BRANDS THATS RIDE WIT SEWERRATS N LA FAKE ASS SEWERRATS U DONT EVEN KNOW WAH A BULLFROG IS

buddaman said...

This goes to the Person a few posts back that was talking about Salinas.
I'm from up North. San Jo , and alot of what you said is true.We don't bang as hard as the South up here , and there are some weak ass scraps taking over some once hardcore areas, my hood included, I'll give you that . I'm 30yrs old and got a wife and kids I aint about to go out there and start banging against these youngsters. But thats not why I'm posting this. You said that Salinas has the same murder rate as L.A. and you where laughing at this cat from Salas and saying they don't put in work . Now you also said you've been up North. did you go thru Salas ? If you did you know that if you blink you miss the whole town. I don't know how true your statement was but if Salinas has the same murder rate as L.A. then thats big time considering Salinas is about 1/3 of the size of L.A.
As for the Vallejo comment that was just plain supid but you did have one thing right. They have an area in Vallejo that they call the Hillside ( maybe you've heard of E 40 ) and they call themselves Hillbillies.I know you surenos don't listen to rap so maybe you've never heard of these guy's but E40 , Mac Dre, Dubee , are just a few Bay Area rappers out of the V.They werent really know as a Norteno stronghold in the past but have been comming up in recent years.
Your right though alot of Norteno hoods are 10-20 miles apart and there is alot more partying going on rather than banging .
I didn't post this to be up here "Net banging " as you guy's call it . I'm just trying to shed some light from a point of view of someone who does live up here.

Anonymous said...

All you guys are busters. I run Shit in my city, call me and i'll tell you, you SURs aint shit!

713-534-3182
My name is Midnight, call anytime if your not scared!

Anonymous said...

FAWK ANYBODY TRYING 2 GET UP ON DA SURENOS FROM UP NORTH ESPECIALLY SURENOS DE SAN JO DIS B SAPO A CLANTONERO WSSJ REPRESENTANDO! AM TIRED OF SUM OF DA SURENOS FROM DOWN SOUTH TALKING SHIT ABOUT US WEN DEY HAVENT BEEN HERE AT ALL!SUM VATOS FROM DOWN SOUTH DONT WUNNA GIVE US SUM APPRECIATION OR CREDIT 2 HAVE DA BALLS 2 PUT IT DOWN FOE DA SUR 13 WEN WE B SORROUNDED BY BUSTERS I HAVE RESPECT FOE THOSE VATOS FROM DA SOUTH IF DEY HAVE RESPECT FOE US YEAH DEY HAVE RESPECT FOE US BUT JUST DA ONES DAT HAVE DA BALLS BUT OF COURSE DEY GONNA TALK SHIT FOE DA ONES DAT DONT DERRS BITCHES EVERYWERR!EVEN DA SOUTH & DER CALLED "LEVAS" RIGHT!DEY B SUM VATOS FROM LA DAT PROBABLY NEVER DID SHIT BUT DEY WUNNA TAKE ADVANTAGE CUS OF DA REPUTATION DAT LA HAS DEY THINK DEY HAVE DA RIGHT 2 TALK SHIT ALL I GOTTA SAY IS FAWKEM!!! SUM VATOS FROM DA SOUTH WEN DEY COME OVER HERE DEY CANT GET USE 2 DA STREETS CUS DEY R MORE INTO DERR VARRIO & CITY DEN IS 2 DA SUR 13 BUT OVER HERE IS NORTE 14 DED WEARIN AS BUSTERS & SUR 13 TRUE BLUE RAGGIN ALL DA TIME
I GOT REAL SURENO HOMEBOYS AROUND DA BAY I HAVE MET DEM ON DA STREETS JUVI RANCH GROUP HOMES & COUNTY LIKE DA HOMIES FROM RICHMOND SUR TRESE(RST)ML(MEXICANOS LOKOTES)BROWN PRIDE LOKOS FROM CONCORD LOS MONKEYS TRESE FROM PITTSBURG ANTIOCH & OAKLEY LIL TOWN SURENOS FROM PITTSBURG SOUTH SIDE LOKOS FROM OAKLAND PLAYBOYS SURENOS FROM STOCKTON 19TH ST SAN FRAN MS13 SAN FRAN VARRIO SAN MARCOS ST FAIRFIELD VARRIO SAN MATAS SAN MATEO MOUNTAIN VIEW SURENOS SUNNYVALE SUR TRESE EAST SIDE SANTA FROM SANTA CRUZ SOUTH GARDENS FROM HAYWARD POOR SIDE 2ND ST WATSONVILLE 8TH ST FROM GILROY GILROY MORGAS SUR RIFA FROM MORGAN HILL & I CANT FORGET DA RAZA FROM SAN JOSE Varrio Sur Town(malos & tokers) MY HOOD CLANTON(WS&ES)SurenosPor Vida, Varrio Virginia Trese, Varrio William st POCO WY KBT Sur Santos Pride VTG CRIMINALES Varrio Malditos Surenos PELIGROSOS MUCH LUV FOE ALL DA SURENOS FROM UPSTATE & NATION WIDE!!!

Anonymous said...

ok her goes.....RE: New Folsom and the SS showin the NS love, not true. New Folsom C yard -- NS on modifid program since around 1997. Last time they tried to open the yard it was greenlights from both sides. B yard -- no NS. its a SS yard. A yard -- PC yard (not including adseg) the SS and NS nogoods show each other love, I seen that with my own eyes, was in New Folsom A yard AdSeg overflow and housed us in the section next to the PC's. Level I yard -- NS outnumbers SS 7 to 1. the SS knows their place there and show respect and its returned.

Anonymous said...

Stupidass gangbangers, Your All fucking idiots, that's why you die so damn youth, Pathetic jackasses

Anonymous said...

First of all the 60s robbing the MM is a myth. The greenlight on 60s is a myth. The 60's are tight with Clanton 14 and Florencia 13, and cool with Eighteen. Too many people passing on false info on the net is a FACT.

New Family is not LA EME.

Black vs Brown is not the biggest war in Prisons, South vs North is. And the North will go at it with the South when they are outnumbered. The North has MORE heart.

"Ruthless' sounds like a pussy, banging on Crips and lives out of state. lol Puto!

To the Negro who married the beautiful Latino, you ignorant son of a bitch, her brothers don't like you stupid ass, look how our chicano brothers talk about mayate's.. they're backstabbers bred with hatred.

Gangbanging is stupid, it sux, there are no real winners. If it's prison you want, you can have it. If it's dope you want, you can have it but you will keep getting robbed if we can't have none.

Southsiders give black gangs problems, FACT. Some black gangs won't admit it, FALSE... because ALOT of black neighborhoods still control their turf.

The TWO blacks killed in the jail riots, do some research... one was a basehead- he needed to die. The other didn't bang either, he died because he spoke up for a old man who the southsiders tried to jack for his bed. Two non affiliates... thats no different from the ECC blasting on non affiliates.

East Coast Crips are obviously losing that war big time, but is it worth the F13's lives thats being lost and the life sentences for all shooters involved? I don't think so!

Questions: Are 18 streets big in LA EME? If so, why don't southsiders help the 18's in their war with BPS and CS? Why does so many varrio's hate 18? Why does 18 pay tax if they are so big and respected?

When you see a CRAB he must be fucking up a SEWER RAT!

VIVA MARAVILLA-BARRIO MOJADO'S, MARA SALVATRUCHA- !!!

Anonymous said...

fuck all norcacas!!!!!!!!! fuckin levas die!!!!!!!! u punk bitches cant compare to us real muthafuckin ganstas
PACOIMA VANUYS SURSIDE3X

Anonymous said...

408

Anonymous said...

I ain't no netbanger so i aint gonna dis nobodey.I was born and raised in a city in upper cali.vallejo,califas. I been living here all my life. i'm a sureno from Brown Crowd Locos/West vallejo/Yolo AVE.Surenos down south have a negative perspective of surenos in th Bay Area, let me get shit str8.we banging for the trece in enemy territory and yall putting us down like we sum wannabes or something.i agree, fuck a leva.theres wannabes up here as well as down ther.but can't nobodey fade the surenos from the bay,porque we the minority known to bang in enemy varrios.If your asking why i aint a norteno if i was raised in the norte, it's very simple. i grew up in a sureno varrio.The majority of nortenos out here in the bay are are black washed. A real brown pride pandillero, no matter what hood, aint down wit dat shit. and all the vallejo rappers( E-40,Mac Dre, Dubbe,turf talk,or celly cell) are all about thier feria and aint about no norteno shit get it staright.surenos up north are the most hated in califas. we got pedo con los mallates, gueros,nortenos, and to top things off, we aint respected by da surenos from down south.is all good, aint no set ripping. i'm going to continue with my job,gangbangin,porque is all about dat crazy life.: If you aint from no hood, you aint born into the ganglife. so fuck wannabe.Q~vo to the homies fro west vallejo:BCL,BBH,& MCR. Q~vo to all the surenos from up stateIn :Santa Cruz/BPSC,Richmon/RST,Oakland/SSL,
San Jo and the carnales in the 925 area.

Surenos from the Bay will never
die, just multiply.


west Vallejo Califas
BCLX3 yOLO AVE C/S

Anonymous said...

ID JUST LIKE 2 SAY THAT THE NORTHENERS NEED 2 CUT OFF THAT FUCKED UP PONY TAIL OFF AND THEY NEED 2 STOP TRYING 2 ACT LIKE NIGGERS PLEASE SLAP UR SELVES THANK U SKIE HMW CREW 818 LA

Anonymous said...

I read some of the posts on here and some of yall don't know what the hell your talking about. First and foremost, there is no such things as acting "black" you have different type of blacks. African Americans, Jamaicans, Africans etc. its not the same that's like when a black person calls an Salvadorian Mexican it's ignorant. Secondly, Some black gangs in southern california don't have the resources that surenos have nor the numbers so they lose some battles. Not to mention the rivalaries with their own kind. Blood vs. Crips, Crips vs. Bloods, Crips vs. Crips, Blood vs. Bloods along with some rival latino gangs. The thing that really trips me out is how you got surenos on here talking about how nortenos "act black" when you have a lot surenos doing the same shit. If anyone denies that then they're fucking lying. It's not called acting black it's embrassing a hip hop culture in which latinos help create. You have nortenos and surenos rappers. Are they acting black as well? Think about what you say before you say it because you sound retarted. I'm black and I hate niggas too but I love my hard working black folks. Its funny how you critize another person for "acting black" then turn around and you ebonic slang.