Wednesday, July 20, 2005

A HISTORY LESSON
There's a a lot of action that goes on in the comments section. I'm not sure that everyone who logs on takes the time to read all the comments. Some are just too good to leave there. I picked this one to run as a post because it's important and it's the absolute straight deal. You're not going to hear anything more authentic than this. It's from regular commenter TIJUANAJAILER. This is the gospel. Everything between quote marks is his. Enjoy and be edified.

"Before people get their feathers ruffled any further it is important to understand that the EME, AB, BGF and NF (California's AXIS of EVIL) does not care about ethnic pride. From Day One, EME began exploiting fellow Chicanos. According to one former EME member's description: "they are an Equal Opportunity Exploiter". End of story. The NF formed out of their being abused by EME and they evolved into a criminal cartel with NO regard (I repeat NO regard) for their people, be they campesinos or northern California gang members. If anyone is being "punked" (as many posters are fond of saying), it is the north AND south gang members by these two groups. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.
The AB started out as biker "types" and white racist, black-hating warriors. They too evolved into gangsters who could care less about white supremacy and more about the green almighty dollar. The BGF, led originally by James "Doc" Holliday has long since surrendered its
anti-establishment ideology for good old capitalist living. I doubt that the proceeds from their meth labs go back to furthering the "Black Cause".
There are two historical components to the EME-AB alliance and the NF-BGF alliance. There is the racial component and the power component. In prison, it was well known that the blacks and whites were "natural" enemies. Due to the color of their skin, this "natural" racial divide would always separate these groups.
When the EME emerged, they were into power and control and they didn't care who you were nor what color your skin was. Domination, exploitation and terrorizing (there's that dreaded word again) the main population was what they were about. Their power struggle was one that was fresh from the CYA, county jail facilities and wherever Chicanos and Blacks were housed together. The fact that they shared similar social plights on the outside was not a relevant factor on the inside. They never thought about the fact that they indeed shared common dilemnas.
So understand this: EME and southern gang members never really hated blacks because of the color of their skin but more because of the numerical threat they represented. It was about power. Those of you who have done time for many years (especially those of you who were "state raised") will attest to the fact that a handful of Chicanos could confront a large group of blacks and send them "running" like a stampede of cattle by just blinking their eyes.
Then you had your "cream of the crop". The BGF and hard core radicals. They actually respected and admired EME members. In fact, when George Jackson, Hugo "Yogi" Pinell & company decided to take over the San Quentin Adjustment Center, who was there fighting alongside them: Luis "Bala" Talamantez and Louie "Rock On Lou" Lopez, two fierce EME enforcers. In an unholy alliance, they "teamed up" to execute three (3) prison guards and left a stack of injured guards in a cell presumably dead. Read the following link for some interesting stuff: http://rwor.org/a/v20/960-69/969/talam.htm
There is a strange bond (sealed in blood) that unites the EME and the BGF. Their old timers could probably swap some very interesting war stories.
Their unique power struggle was joined by two other groups with axes to grind. The AB loved the fact that the EME's power struggle with BGF (mostly in the CDC's lock-up units) dove tailed perfectly with their "racial" struggle against the black militants. They became EME's natural allies in this battle. Then the NF entered the scene. Their agenda was to resist EME's exploitation of "farmers" and oppressed raza and the flag they initially flew was the flag of ridding oppressed people from the tyranny of La EME. Of course, they found a natural ally in the BGF. Once the NF found themselves effectively separated from EME members, their agenda changed to organized criminal endeavors and this North-South thing became a way of keeping the proverbial pot stirred for the purpose of maintaining control over nortenos (NF) and surenos (EME). And life became a "beautiful" thing for these groups.
There was no real "love" between EME and AB, just a common "business goal". There was no real "love" between NF and BGF, just a self-serving and common "business goal". The prison administration played a major role in "divide and conquer" (as the convicts liked to say) but it was really "divide and control".
Had the prison administration not succeeded in separating these groups there is absolutely no doubt that EME and AB would have run the Yards today and life in prison (if you think it is a horrible experience today) would have been sheer misery.
For all the posters (farm workers specifically) who become offended at the "farmero" label, you should not. First off, Northern Farmers (NF) was a derisive term which originated in late-1970 at San Quentin. EME and NF had a prearranged "cease fire" at that time. A then future EME member by the name of Ramon "Mundo" Mendoza (aka: Machine Gun Mundo) from VNE in Boyle Heights (East L.A.) began referring to them by this term. This wasn't a secret thing as he actually addressed NF members to their faces on the upper yard. It was Mundo's hope that they would get angry enough to break the truce since he could not "fire the first shot" and get the EME upset.
The NF put up with Mundo's abuse and he later would be responsible for the killing of (5) NF members and (2) BGF members both in and out of prison before he defected.
Through the years, EME and its allies have succeeded in getting under the skin of Northern Cal gang members by referring to them as "country yokels", farmers, fruit pickers, etc. Now you know that this is not a literal insult but a continuation of the derisive and disrespectful behavior directed at what EME has always and will always consider an inferior breed of Chicanos. Although we all know this is not true, this is their attitude guys.
With no axe to grind, I hope this enlightens some who maybe needed to see some of this in some organized perspective.
Peace."

There you have. Lots to think about and consider. Many thanks to TJ JAILER. Keep 'em coming.

86 comments:

Anonymous said...

That might be true of a few Brothers... but not all are out to exploit! Please don't generalize... and note the source of this rant. Some are righteous, honorable men who don't put money over loyalty. I will not sink to the level of most on here and call out names, but most are sitting in the notorious P.B. SHU.
Palm Hall... How Many Balas you do? What year(s)?

Anonymous said...

I went to the link given in the post and enjoyed reading it. Too bad those of us in the system are being used by men with real power for finacial gain and can't see it. It pisses me off to think of two vatos getting off on each other for the guards entertainment like during the staged fights at corcoran. If that aint the epitome of how stupid were being, I dont know what is.
That Tijuas Jailer has awesome posts for sure.

Anonymous said...

Luis "Bala" Talamantez is originally from the Venice barrio in L.A. and became an EME member in the 1960's. He and Manuel "Tati" Torrez (La Rana) were sent to the Adjustment Center after stabbing Chalo Hernandez and Black Jesse Valenzuela (NF members) in B-Section some time after the Shoe War of 1968.
While in the Adjustment Center, Bala and other EME members were at constant "war" against the BGF and many yard confrontations took place.
But a pact was agreed upon in which they would join forces whenever a grievance came up between the convict population and the prison guards.
It came to a head in August of 1971 when 3 prison guards were stabbed, garroted and shot to death in the Adjustment Center.
In addition, two white convicts were stabbed to death by the BGF and George Jackson (BGF) was shot to death by a gunrail guard.
Currently, Bala's whereabouts are unknown but his communist ties seem to be intact. Tati Torres was recently indicted with other EME members in a RICO prosecution.

El Chiludo

Anonymous said...

Is La Rana short for Frogtown?

Anonymous said...

If Frog Town is in the South Bay area of L.A. then it must be the same neighborhood.

Anonymous said...

http://www.victoryoutreach.org/visionout/detail.aspx?ID=282

Anonymous said...

(That might be true of a few Brothers... but not all are out to exploit! Please don't generalize... and note the source of this rant. Some are righteous, honorable men who don't put money over loyalty)
This is great stuff. And we were all born yesterday in that beach front property that's being sold in Las Vegas.
You show me an EME soldier who is not willing to exploit his neighborhood underlings and I'll show you a soldado who will be next in line to be hit by his own carnales.
So, the EME doesn't exploit their own, right? And this honor you speak of, I'd like to hear about the "righteousness" and "loyalty" that you speak of, sir.
Either you're one of those tax paying vatos who pays for the priveledge of existing in his own barrio (it's called paying protection money) or you want to convince folks that the EME is now an extension of Mother Theresa.
Break it down one time for us, home boy.

BatMan

Anonymous said...

If the war between north and south were to cease today, the Generals in the SHU would lose their armies. Keeping the war going lets them hold onto power.

Anonymous said...

BatMan...
You have a legit job homie? If so... don't you and every other righteous law abiding citizen pay taxes? So what makes you smarter than the dude slanging on the corner? Are you above all that... nah, in everything in life, there's rules, including this life. That's the way it is... and call it what you want, bottom line is if a mutha f'er is slanging he's gonna give up something or get dealt with when his time comes, just like the IRS is gonna come for you when your time comes.
Look, my tio been in the Bay SHU since 91... been torcido 26 years now, since he was 16... I visit him on a regular basis and do all I can for him cause I know he's righteous, my loyalty is too him... he don't have to put the pressure on anyone to kick in cause he's a good dude, people give out of love where we're from, and even if they didn't, he's all good with that... as long as it's understood that if they ever find themselves in a wreck, not too use his name or expect any love from him, sabes?
It's not all about money and murder homie... naturally if someone got's it coming then you know what time it is, that's never gonna change ( a given ), but to say that they exploit is not the facts! I'm glad not to see my tio's name ever mentioned up on any site... it's that way with a lot of the righteous brothers who don't get caught up in all the B.S. and use there heads!
Like I said before, not gonna say no names, and this will most likely be my last post on this issue... it just irritates the f*ck out of me to read the pendejadas you fools be spitting, should just be minding your own business instead of running off at the lip, you sound like a bunch of comadres!
*P*

TijuanaJailer said...

(Anonymous said...
If the war between north and south were to cease today, the Generals in the SHU would lose their armies. Keeping the war going lets them hold onto power.)

That, my friend, is the million dollar statement. Prison Gang experts are always asked: "So what can we do to break up these gangs?"
Answer: "Take away their power base -- the street gangs". That leaves them puzzled.
This is the social dilemna in which we find ourselves. Whether it be an Italian neighborhood in New York, a Puerto-Rican barrio in Jersey, or a Chicano 'hood in L.A., the "life blood" of these organized crime groups comes from their "homies".
Unfortunately, it takes more balls to STOP "waging war" against each other than to continue the senseless bloodshed. To stop would mean to incur the wrath of their heroes.
The "mainline" Chicanos from both the North and the South are convicts who wish to serve out their sentences and return to their loved ones and a life of positive productivity.
The vast majority of these vatos don't really have the stomach to take it to the next level. If they did, they would already be soldiers.
They are used, made to feel like they are "someone special", given "prestigious assignments" and, when they become expendable they (or their spouses) are hit because they "know too much".
There are countless court documents attesting to this continuous pattern.
Show me a wannabe who has been loyal to the EME, NF or any other prison gang for many years and I'll show you an individual who must not be EME or NF "material". Why? Because, 99.9% of the time, a loyal soldier with criminal "heart" is ALWAYS in demand for these groups.
The only time recruitment stops is when the "books are closed" and that's only a temporary thing.
Follow my line of reasoning: If then, this loyal follower of five or ten or fifteen years has NOT been made a Carnal, it is because they don't feel he meets the criteria.
Continue to follow the logic: Any non prison gang member is EXPENDABLE. What does this mean? It means that if a RICO prosecution is in the offing, or if a bored prison gang member decides that you know too much, or your wife or girl knows too much. Then, bye-bye. They take you out without batting an eye.
If you are a loyal associate (aka: a much needed flunky) and you know too much, your days are probably numbered. Try knocking on their door and asking for membership. You will either a)be recruited if you are "material", b)be given the "stall" treatment,("Hey, Carnal, it doesn't work like that. Don't call us. We'll call you when it's time" (Yeah, sure), or c)you will be executed.
This is NOT a Boy Scout fraternity nor a social club we're talking about.
These are people who are dedicated to their first love and their first love is their Prison Gang. Their allegiance AND loyalty is to each other and everybody else can, with any carnal's say so, become a vital statistic without having to get approval.
As long as the gangs continue to flourish, the power base remains solidly intact.

Peace ........

TijuanaJailer

Anonymous said...

It took me taking an interest in Sharon and Arafat to see this and come to the same conclusion about EME , NF generals.
For all the stupid shit some people here say about being superior, inferior, whatever people across the world aren't that different from each other.

Anonymous said...

(BatMan...
You have a legit job homie? If so... don't you and every other righteous law abiding citizen pay taxes?)

So what you are telling me, *P*, is that I am being taxed twice? The IRS taxes my neighborhood and I'm supposed to pay (again) to someone else??
In the old days, we had a good "working relationship" con los carnales. We did what we did and we stayed loyal to the sur.
When the taxing started, it really came down to disrespect.
I don't think the carnales think about this but do they really want a bunch of vacas who have already shown weakness by allowing themselves to be taxed to later be recruited into their thing?
Would you surrender your lunch money if the school bully told you he was a carnal and he wanted all your money?
Sorry about your tio but if that's the camino he chose, then that's his vida. If you wish to take care of your familia, I hear you. I would do the same.
But I refuse to look into my little daughter's eyes and say: Mija, my family chose the road to hell and I'm going to follow and so are you.
I will spend my life resisting people like this in the name of my little one. That's what love and loyalty is all about.
Pendejadas are the blind ones who look up to the WRONG role models.

Later.

Bat Man

Anonymous said...

BatMan...
Them are the same words my tio preaches to me... I commend you for putting your baby girl first, that's the way it should be. He tells me all the time... "you think I trust these fools in here who let their own blood run around out there with out a father, nah... once you have a child, your whole life should be dedicated to him/her". And I agree with that! Me... I don't have kids, and I know the life they choose to live isn't right... but once you're in it, you got to do the best you can, and I sincerely believe he's righteous and on the up with everyone he deals with.
As long as I know that what I do for him is out of my own love for him... then I feel the consequences of my actions will be easier to swallow... and by no means does he try to poison my mind, don't wanna give the wrong impression like i'm some brainwashed kid, I've been visiting him since I was a kid... he's somewhat of a father to me, (my pops died when I was a baby). But all good, got nothing but love for any raza living righteous.
*P*

Anonymous said...

This the Batman that was on the wrong side Palm Hall in 1998 or so?

Anonymous said...

(This the Batman that was on the wrong side Palm Hall in 1998 or so?)

You have another BatMan in mind, my friend. Bat Man is just a handle I'm using on this web site because, like Batman, I choose to be Anonymous. In fact, if you must know, I'm also known as the "OA" - the Original Anonymous.
I'm feeling you, "P". You sound like you are a man accountable for your decisions in life.
Your tio sounds like a wise man and I hope he gets a chance at enjoying a better life than the one he's currently living.

Al Rato

Bat Man

StillNoScript said...

Excellent post by T.J.

Of course, I obviously object to the 'Cali's axis of evil' part. The people that got Scharzenegger elected have commited more evil worldwide over the course of the last 30 years than EME could dream of;;; okay, maybe EME DREAMS of it, but they certainly don't have the means of doing it. EME doesn't exactly have those oil connections in the middle east.

Anyhow, that's a whole other argument for a whole other blog.

Aside from that, I think Tijuana Jailers' post is very informative. Nobody can question T.J's experience and firsthand knowledge of Cali. prison gangs, that's for sure.

Anonymous said...

TJ,
Can you share some history on NF beginings. I've read some of the founders weren't even from up north, but EME dropouts from Los. I'm thinking of Death Row Joe Gonzales when when I say this. I know this is a Sureno blog but since Eme dropouts may have helped found NF it all ties in. I could be completely off base on this, so thats why I'm asking.

RetiredJoker said...

The NF has some ties with some EME "Defectors" but mostly chicanos who were being "ganged" up on and decided to protect themselves and was founded in Soledad if I'm not mistaken.
Heres a good link, I don't know if its a 100% accurate but the main parts seem to be true.

The History of La Nuestra Familia in a nutshell... enjoy
http://www.geocities.com/jiggy2000_us/familiatimeline.html

TijuanaJailer said...

(I know this is a Sureno blog but since Eme dropouts may have helped found NF it all ties in)

The original NF founders were indeed predominately Southern California gang members - Freddy Gonzalez from San Diego, John "Little John" from Little Valley (L.A.), Bruce "Huero" Morgan from West Side Clanton (L.A.), and Gonzalo "Chalo" Hernandez.
"Retired Joker" cites a web site that accurately lists the original NF founders and none of these people were EME dropouts.
It is interesting to note that Gonzalo "Chalo" Hernandez and Rudy "Cheyenne" Cadena (EME shot caller who was later killed in Palm Hall by the NF in 1972) were home boys (from Bakersfield) and both their parents migrated from El Paso, Texas.
Chalo and Cheyenne forged an EME-NF truce in early-1971 which lasted about six months.
The major players in organizing the northern California convicts were NF's "Chalo" Hernandez, "Death Row" Joe Gonzalez, Robert "Babo" Sosa and members of the Maravilla gang.
Louie Araujo (Hoyo Mara), Ernie "Neto" Varela (Ford Mara), and Abraham "Abie" Reyes (Ford Mara) were principal players in maintaining the anti-EME sentiment on the prison yards.
As the years passed, L.A. gang members who previously resented EME's oppressiveness, pulled away from supporting the NF because their homeboys could not identify with nortenos.
Much of their criminal "history" was with the south and this geographical polarization slowly evolved into the present-day
north-south rivalry.
By effectively keeping the nortenos separated from the surenos, the prison staff unknowingly created a scenario in which each group became stronger as their control took hold with no effective resistance to interfere with the spreading of the North and South Gospel according to the NF and the EME.
Until an NF expert decides to author a true NF timeline, this web site (http://www.geocities.com/jiggy2000_us/familiatimeline.html)
is about as close to accurate as it's going to get.
Very minor discrepancies:
1)James "Sonny" Pena was not a northerner; he was from El Hoyo Maravilla and he was killed by EME's Robert "Robot" Salas.
2)An EME associate (not a member) by the name of Archie "Cricket" Gallego from the Diamond gang in L.A., was killed by NF's "Babo" Sosa, Tomas "Poyo" Montoya and Marty from Oakland. The 1968 Shoe War produced about equal injuries on both sides (actual EME made members who remained on the mainline were Ramon "Ponchi" Amdado and Luis "Bala" Talamantez).

Peace ...........

TijuanaJailer

StillNoScript said...

T.J....This is not a proposition in any way, just a curious question;

Have you ever considered selling what you know to a film producer or screen writer, or have you done so allready?

I really wish you would. I think it's unjust to our culture of arts that the only realistic film made about California prison gangs, in this case, either EME or NF, or both, was so historically inaccurate that blood was spilled amongst the consultants.

And, because of those incidents I'm sure Holywood and the strong Indies are in no hurry to get behind another picture similar to it.

Pisses me off, frankly. But, I well understand that getting a film made is pretty low on the priority list for those who would make the best consultants to such a film.

TijuanaJailer said...

StillNoScript said...

(T.J....This is not a proposition in any way, just a curious question)

In fairness, it is important to remember that American Me did in fact capture much of the realism of day to day convict interaction and it was a work of FICTION. Because the story line was based on real life characters such as Joe Morgan (William Forsythe), Rudy "Cheyenne" Cadena (Edward Olmos), and Ramon "Mundo" Mendoza(Pepe Serna), people who viewed this looked for discrepancies in Joe, Cheyenne and Mundo's true life activities. For example, the trio were NOT raised together, Cheyenne was not raped in juvenile hall, Joe's leg was not shot off in the manner the movie depicted, and Mundo and his EME brothers did not kill Cheyenne. As a work of fiction, it was entertaining and rendered the desired "flavor" to the prison gang scene.
For "historical accuracy", a non-fiction movie and/or documentary about the EME is what I think you might be referring to.
There's no realism like telling the real story. I have had the privilege of personally working with the original Prison Gang Task Force and members of subsequent investigative groups, interviewing the foremost experts (prison investigators and EME dropouts), have access to original tape recordings of EME members discussing EME business and hits (obviously, these tapes have already been accessed to convict or were inadmissible) and there is indeed a story to tell.
As an advisor to Ramon "Mundo" Mendoza, I must confess that much of the "intimate information" I/we've obtained has been from this man who is a walking EME File. His chronicles will be released in September of this year from what I understand and, although you can only do so much in a book or cd, it is highly informative and accurate. It's a matter of "logistics" and "coordination", as there are sensitive security measures to overcome. Nevertheless, I look forward to working with him on a cinematic endeavor at some point thereafter should the right opportunity present itself. Wally or I will keep you posted as to developments of both these projects as they unfold.
You may find this astonishing from a person who has been critical of EO but I think, if he were to get serious, he would be the person to produce a realistic film of the EME - a non fiction piece. But it is quite possible that he has already had the scare of his life and wishes to remain in one piece.
In the meantime, Wally's World seems like a nice place to "surf" for interesting stuff. Your input is great, Still No. One of my former partners is preparing some interesting info for Wally's World to digest. Until then, enjoy your weekend and keep the info flowing.

Peace ...................

TijuanaJailer

Anonymous said...

BATMAN YOU SOUND LIKE A GREENLIGHT LEVA,WE PAY TAXES TO HELP THE CARNALES UP STATE WHEN WE GET LOCK UP WE GET HOOK UP THANKS TO THE TAX MONEY SO DONT TALK STUPID GREENLIGHT LEVA.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
BATMAN YOU SOUND LIKE A GREENLIGHT LEVA,WE PAY TAXES TO HELP THE CARNALES UP STATE WHEN WE GET LOCK UP WE GET HOOK UP THANKS TO THE TAX MONEY SO DONT TALK STUPID GREENLIGHT LEVA.

Orale, Anonymous.

First of all, stop shouting. I can hear you. You sound like a redlight "vaca" who chooses to let the "carnales" dictate to you how to live your life. If I didn't know better I would think you were a red commie who can't think for himself. What do you need protection from? Can't you get yourself "hooked up"?
That's the problem with this society - co-dependency. Vatos on the outside won't work and become dependent on a skirt to "take care of him", or a relative to "hook him up". In the pinta where there used to be independent dudes, now you have vacas who need to be "hooked up" by "the carnales", who use these dudes like bitches.
No personal disrespect intended but if a dude wants to be treated like a bitch, co-dependent or "hooked up" like a pinchi caballo, then I don't know what to tell you. Enjoy your life.

Bat Man

Anonymous said...

TJ
Your right, "Chalo" and "Chy" were from Bakersfield. They were first cousins.
Wil. E. Coyote

TijuanaJailer said...

(Your right, "Chalo" and "Chy" were from Bakersfield. They were first cousins.
Wil. E. Coyote)

Thanks, Wil.E. I had heard that somewhere - maybe from Mundo - but I wasn't certain. I figured you would know. Welcome back.

There was a "myth" being circulated after Cheyenne's death that Chy was looking to organize ALL prison Chicano convicts under one flag.
According to some in the prison intelligence community, he shared this "insight" and they believed this story of his.
But he never bothered to share this with his EME carnales for good reasons.
There was already negative feedback from the Folsom and San Quentin yards for his orchestrated truce with the NF from early-1971 through 1972.
When American Me depicted Santana (Chy's character) as being in trouble with his carnales, it was because in real life all the EME carnales, with the exception of maybe a handful of younger dudes, were indeed pissed off at him for his peace overtures. The movie depicts two trains of thought: Chy's lack of aggressiveness and Joe Morgan's propensity for violence.
Chy's reasoning to his EME carnales was that the truce would allow sufficient time for EME to return to the mainline (in San Quentin especially) and finish off its aversaries.
He was smart enough to know that no EME member would buy any notion of "unification" with anyone from Northern Cal and this is why I question the seriousness of this notion that has been shared by some members of the LE family.
His "communist involvement" was also frowned upon by the rest and the murmuring began during Richard "Mosca" Solis' trial in Chino for stabbing a prison guard.
Several EME heavies were subpoenaed to his trial: Mike "Acha" Ison (from Folsom), Benjamin "Topo" Peters (Folsom), Steve "Calote" Amador (Folsom), Mike "Poor Slim" Mulhern (San Quentin) and several others. Obviously one of the main reasons for these "character witnesses" being called down was simply to discuss current EME business.
But there was another reason: a jailbreak was being planned which required Alfonso "Apache" Alvarez to recruit some people on the outside and ambush the transportation vehicle(s) en route or returning from the courthouse. When the plan was aborted, 'Pache paid with his life and the carnales returned to their respective pintas to grumble.
The main theme of grumbling was with regard to Chy. "He's losing it"; "He's on his own"; and "this peace shit is over", were some of the comments being shared with the brothers.
Chy was eventually released, returned to Folsom on a violation and maneuvered his way to Palm Hall on the promise (to administrators who respected him) to put an end to the resurgence of EME violence against the NF.
In spite of Chy's peace efforts, EME soldiers in all pintas, by around mid-1972, were being instructed to start hitting
farmeros in their pintas.
(EME and AB members had killed several NF in various prisons - Antonio "Porto" Lugo was stabbed to death by AB's Mickey Manier at Soledad-North, Gonzalo "Huero" Lopez in Tracy was killed by EME's Ricardo "Baby Boy" Resendez, Frank "Diamond" Miranda and Richard "Bullwinkle" Medina were killed by Doroteo "Sleepy" Betancourt and Eddie "Pelon" Moreno at Susanville, and Leonard "Yogi" Arias was killed by Robert "Biggs" Mata and Salvador "Tiny" Vargas in Tehachapi; there were a few more to name some of the NF victims and EME or AB perps).
During that period there was one EME-related casulty - an associate named Tomas "Flaco" Oropeza (from Artesia) who was stabbed to death at Soledad-North by NF's Antonio "Porto" Lugo (see above). In another incident that was not EME-NF related, Bobby "Fat Cat" Zapata was killed by Danny Loza, an NF associate who later was made an NF member for this successful hit.
When Chy arrived to Palm Hall, Steve "Calote" Amador, Eddie "Sailor Boy" Gonzalez and Mike "Psycadelic Mike" Gaxiola were at SRGC-Chino as were two NF members who also happened to be blood brothers: Ernie and Santos Aranda.
Calote and Sailor Boy saw Chy as he was being escorted down the Chino corridor from the receiving area to Palm Hall. Chy mouthed to Calote, "Esperate", which was asking Calote to "wait" on hitting any more farmers. Calote's response was literally to the point. He raised his middle finger in the air and turned and walked away. Sailor, a new recruit then who preferred to go along with the vast majority of EME who wanted no peace, turned and went with Calote.
Chy had sent word to Calote to "wait" and Calote sent word back warning him "you better get off first, carnal because that's what we're going to do".
With the assistance of an EME associate - "Joey from Lomita", Calote and Sailor Boy stabbed the Aranda brothers while Chy was meeting with several NF members in Palm Hall assuring them that peace would prevail.
Cheyenne was released to exercise with his antagonists who proceeded to stab him to death. Many NF members take credit for this hit and there were several on the tier at that time: Frank "Joker" Mendoza, Eddie "Crackers" Vindiola, Juan "Manzana" Colon, and Ray "Tiny" Contreras were among the NF party who took out Cheyenne (NOT the EME as American Me depicted in their work of fiction).
This incident was what really prompted the CDC to separate the north and the south for good and the SHU's became the almost-exclusive home of prison gang members.
But before the separation could be completely implemented, EME enjoyed one final shot at their adversaries.
On Christmas Day, 1972 - eight days after Chy's killing - two NF members - Frank "Cisco" Villalobos and Pablo Najera - were killed at Soledad-Central by a combination of EME and AB members.
Cheyenne had certainly playing with fire and he paid with his life. It is quite possible that, had the NF not taken him out, his EME confederates (as American Me depicted) might have had to do the job themselves.

You got me going, WilECoyote. Be good and enjoy your retirement.

TijuanaJailer

Anonymous said...

who are the guys in the pic at this website link?

http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/gps0/EME.html

TijuanaJailer said...

(who are the guys in the pic at this website link?

http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/gps0/EME.html)

This photograph was taken in 1976 at the funeral of Jesus "Chuy" Fraijo, an EME member who died of a heroin overdose. There are more members in this photograph who are not shown but these members are:(Left to Right):
Joe Morgan, Robert "Robot" Salas, Raymond "Chavo" Perez and Jimmy "Jimmy Joe" Lucero.

Peace ..........

TijuanaJailer

Anonymous said...

"Follow my line of reasoning: If then, this loyal follower of five or ten or fifteen years has NOT been made a Carnal, it is because they don't feel he meets the criteria."

T.J., I give you credit for your posts you seem to you know what time it is, schooling alot of the curios people who read this blog. One thing though is that line about if you are not a member yet you are probably not "good material". That is mostly true but, I have uncles that although they are not in the mix they are known as "good people". I've had "Big Homies" ask about them and they have nothing but, good words. Even telling me stories about things they've done while my uncles were in The California and Texas Prison Systems. Maybe because they are in their 60's and things were a little different back then but, they didn't get "In The Mix" because they didn't want to. I was told they were asked to but, their exact words were "they only needed protection from them" meaning the homies. I'm from a city in the SGV and we have our share of flunky's as well as "Righteous Members". So I know what you say is true although there are alawys exceptions and from a young age I was always told to becareful around the "Big Homies". Just carry myself right and be down for mine and I will be treated with respect and that's held true. So just because your are not "Down for Their Cause" don't mean you are looked at as a chump.

Anonymous said...

which neighborhoods have produced the most carnales over the years?

TijuanaJailer said...

(So just because your are not "Down for Their Cause" don't mean you are looked at as a chump)

The carnales do indeed hold some associates in higher esteem than others. Either it serves their interests or no one sees them as a threat. There are some associates who are close to their homies who are in the EME and this loyalty is returned by many in the EME.
What I'm trying to convey is: that "love" has its limitations. When I say that a non-member, any non-member, is expendable I mean it literally.
The carnales have a history of politicking against their own, who they are supposed to hold in the highest esteem. So, what real hope does an associate have if he possesses too much knowledge and Alfredo "Alfie" Sosa wakes up in Pelican Bay one morning and decides to send a "mensaje" to have you hit.
After a carnal makes an attempt to "fight case" for you, who will the carnales side with, Alfie's desire to have a non-member hit or in your favor?
Taking out associates who know too much does seem to occur more on the outside than in the pinta but these guys are hard as nails and so unpredictable. And they will not telegraph their intentions.
As for being "material", there is a difference between having the ability to kill for them and the willingness to kill for them.
A stand up homie can meet all the street criteria in the world - sureno, noteno, east or west - but the EME's recruitment has always been based on an insistence on quality and not quantity.
Most of the carnales will treat surenos in a respectful manner because it is "politcally correct" to do so. You are their "life's blood" and it is the surenos who they count on to sell their drugs, kick back the tax monies, and perform hits and other criminal acts if and when they come knocking.
They don't need to force anyone because there are plenty of gang members willing to volunteer for the status they will enjoy.
This is sad but so true.

Peace ........

TijuanaJailer

Anonymous said...

which neighborhoods have produced the most carnales over the years?

TijuanaJailer said...

(which neighborhoods have produced the most carnales over the years?)

That's a good one! Off the top of my head I'd say Maravilla (believe it or not) and el Hoyo Mara has been heavily represented through the years.
The barrios that immediately come to mind from Los Angeles are: Big Hazard, Primera Flats, Wilmas, Varrion Nuevo Estrada, Hoyo Soto, the Avenues, Sangra, La Rana, Venice, Hawaiian Gardens, Florencia and Rancho San Pedro among more in Los Angeles.
You also have pretty much every street gang represented or under their control in San Diego, Riverside and San Bernardino counties, and in many cities throughout the state of California.
It is the out-of-state activity that is becoming a major concern.
Paul "Huero" Tres Portillo, Roland Berry, Mike "Jap Mike" Kudo and Tony Palacios (longtime EME members) have for years been operating in Hawaii and have been in and out of their prison system.
Their influence throughout the United States, whether they directly control it or whether their sureno associates do, is beginning to unfold as this is being written.
Stay tuned for updates.

Peace .......

TijuanaJailer

Anonymous said...

I would have guessed Artesia.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for all the knowledge gentlemen, never did I believe that I could learn a little something on the dangerous men of my heritage. The T. Jailer might have some historical data on la loma, the chavez ravine community.Specifically Frank "kiko" Rivas. Spent lots of years in our CDC.

Anonymous said...

batman sounds like a big fake,when was the last time you were in the pinta if you were ever there time has chance mr batman there no one on their own in these times what barrio are you from anyways a greenlight leva barrio like maravilla,18 st or mara

Anonymous said...

batman sounds like a big fake,when was the last time you were in the pinta if you were ever there time has chance mr batman there no one on their own in these times what barrio are you from anyways a greenlight leva barrio like maravilla,18 st or mara

Anonymous said...

fuck the rules every one breaks them tax money is only money for lazy ass motherfucker than cant get a job like slim from lil stanton he never send any of the tax money to the pinta he would get all fuck up with it,fuck that.

Anonymous said...

na na na na na na na na na na na na na na BATMAN!

Anonymous said...

I would imagine Big Hazard would of had the most brothers all together, but as far as now. It would kind of seem like most the new ones are comming out of places like Ontereo.Kind of seems like Tortuga has been busy making his little kingdom larger.
But I am sure it is still varrious east la niehborhoods.
Seems like a few ,almost, border brothers are being made too.
Palm Hall

Anonymous said...

About La EmE members in other states. Outside the Feds and the Southwest, they are realy of no matter. Like in Hawaii, they really do not like Mexicans there. You do not hear a peep out of the brothers there. If they are there it is because of some drug deal gone bad, as dope goes for like 150 a gram or something like that. I was at the High at Halava state prison and the Locals squashed a bunch of southsiders. They started acting like they were running something and it got ugly. Not may weapons and the ese's just weren't big enough to sling it with the Hawaiians.
Also I did a short trip in FL, and it was about the same. You had allot of Cuban's and they kept most all the other latino's in check. As for straight southsiders kicking up dust most all over the nation. It is a fact, but most of em are border brothers that just claim SUR. They have and probably will never meet a brother. Just been to So-Cal and claimed it while they was there and still do.

Anonymous said...

About 10 years back, a well respected veterano was telling me about about the structure and how it wasn't a lifetime obligation. At the time it was fairly new and alot of misinformation was circulating. His was the most accurate looking back. Anyways he also told me there were a few NF Carnales who had Maravilla tatted acroos their stomachs. He went on to elaborate that some vatos from up here join the Eme. I was wondering if maravilla ties to nf have strengthed after they were greenlighted.
Is 18street greenlighted as well?

Anonymous said...

Maravilla being closer to NF seems kind of doubtfull. I understand that a green light means that if you go along with the no taxes trip you are in the hat, but there are still more then a few Maravilla clicks that are still in the fold. And that some of the people that are living with in the clicks that are green lighted are not in agreement with the stance. You do understand that it is just a few clicks or even just a couple. LIke I thought one was Hoyo Maravilla..

Anonymous said...

Here's an interesting article (published in 1999) to read:

http://www.sandiegomag.com/issues/june99/blood.shtml

Anonymous said...

Can anyone post all the gangs that are greenlighted?

Have some been greenlighted then taken off?

Greenlighted means kill on sight, right?

Anonymous said...

Copy and paste the title below on your browser and proceed to the Orange County Register story on Pete "Sana" Ojeda:

A Long Past To Live Down - Pete Ojeda

He is nearly depicted as a "holy man". If this is so then was Joe Morgan the Pope?

"Senor" and "Big Homie" are the coded terms of respect that Street Gang Members use to address Members of the Mexican Mafia.

Anonymous said...

Heres the link to the above reference article on Sana.

http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/07/24/sections/news/focus_in_depth/article_608637.php

frog said...

fuck the eme

Anonymous said...

AHAHAHAAAAA!!!!tough guy on the web!lol! THIS BLOG WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME IN AND SHARE STORIES,AND POST THEIR COMMENTS! NOT FOR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LASH OUT AT OTHERS,IF YOU THINK YOUR LAST COMMENT (FROG) WAS A COURAGES ONE,WELL YOUR SADLY MISTAKEN GROW UP LITTLE BOY!!!!!WE ALL KNOW YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HURT A FLY WITH THAT COMMENT!

Anonymous said...

la eme is not powerful anymore..

Anonymous said...

alof of surenos are locking it up.to many pc yards,the eme is getting weak.they all want control, the eme is at war,( with itself),to many chiefs,not enough appaches....lol... PECETAS,25ERS,MARAVILLA LOWELL ST ,JUST TO THROW A FEW,WHO ARE TAX FREE.AND SAY FUCK THE EME...LOL

Anonymous said...

ANYONE WHO PAYS TAXES..AND GETS TOLD WHAT TO DO, BY ANOTHER MAN.ARE PUNK BITCHES...I BELEIVE THOSE PUNKS ARE ALL SURENOS....TAX FREE...

Anonymous said...

I was born and raised in Northern Cali and kicked it in the Maravilla(OFTEN) when visiting family...The Maravilla is about respect and chicano unity. They also taught us about honoring traditions and protecting things that are sacred (like familia and having respect for elders and veteranos)...Something that most Nortenos can relate to. Most of the other LA and SD area, in addition to other Sureno/EME supporting factions from (Yes, even the big Northern cities) San Jose, Oakland, etc...have younsters out of control...Most of these kids are tweeked out, skinny ass, wannabees with guns and no respect or class...but when they hit the joint they are too sucked up to fight corn fed Nortenos(Farmeros)... VIVA MARAVILLA TAX FREE.....

Anonymous said...

they are too sucked up to fight corn fed Nortenos(Farmeros)... VIVA MARAVILLA TAX FREE.....

Sounds good. Sounds like you've been around to all the yardas, carnalito. Pass the toques while you're at it.
Be sure to give us an update the next time a farmero takes out a sureno in the pinta or visa versa.
We love to hear the calientitas firsthand.

Corn is a good thing.

Anonymous said...

Orale! GOT CORN?

Anonymous said...

I was born and raised in Northern Cali and kicked it in the Maravilla(OFTEN) when visiting family

(ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T STAY IN THE HOUSE WATCHING CARTOONS?)

...The Maravilla is about respect and chicano unity

(MARAVILLA GANGS ACCOUNT FOR A GREAT PERCENTAGE OF GANG-RELATED KILLINGS AND YES, THESE CARNALES MOSTLY KILL OTHER MARAVILLA CHICANOS .... CHICANO UNITY?... CHECK THE L.A.S.O. STATISTICS, CHINGON).

They also taught us about honoring traditions and protecting things that are sacred (like familia and having respect for elders and veteranos)...Something that most Nortenos can relate to.

(NOW YOUR NORTHERN BIAS IS SHOWING AND SO IS YOUR IGNORANCE... YEAH, RIGHT, NORTENOS HAVE A MONOPOLY ON VIRTUE)

Most of the other LA and SD area, in addition to other Sureno/EME supporting factions from (Yes, even the big Northern cities) San Jose, Oakland, etc...have younsters out of control...Most of these kids are tweeked out, skinny ass, wannabees with guns and no respect or class...but when they hit the joint they are too sucked up to fight corn fed Nortenos(Farmeros)

(MAN, I NEED YOU TO PASS THE TOQUES. I WANT THAT YERBA BUENA YOU ARE SMOKING OR IS IT CORN?)

... VIVA MARAVILLA TAX FREE.....

(IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE LATEST SURENO REPORT, MARAVILLA IS NO LONGER A TAX FREE ZONE AND THERE IS NO GREEN LIGHT ON THEM ANYOMORE. THERE IS ONLY A GREEN LIGHT ON THOSE WHO PROCLAIM TO BE "MARAVILLOSOS". THEY ARE PLACED IN PROTECTIVE CUSTODY AND THEY MOSTLY REQUEST THIS STATUS BEFORE THEY EVEN REACH THE COUNTY JAIL (AT THE LOCAL SUBSTATIONS). TRY AGAIN, MR. CORN FED)

2:00 AM

Anonymous said...

Bias? No brother, jus' proud of where I'm from...You city slickers are always trying to overtalk or say you are in the KNOW more so than us Dusty Busterz right? Please, I kicked it in the Rock Mara throughout the 80's and you know what? I had a great time partying with the homies who all knew where me and my family was from, Stockton, CAlifas. So the Mara and the Eme kissed and made up? Good for you ..But tell that to all the other Homies from Lopez and the Rock and all the other Maras that still say F*^k Sur!!!. Maravillosos are the Mara, bro they are not seperate or strays as you are trying to project....

Look I'm not trying to stir shit up jus' informing you is all...Don't hate jus read...

Anonymous said...

"Bias? No brother, jus' proud of where I'm from"

Mijo ... you should be proud of where you're from. If your kind and our kind don't see eye to eye then we rumble, that's all. Nothing wrong with a good rumble, que no? It happens.

"You city slickers are always trying to overtalk or say you are in the KNOW more so than us Dusty Busterz right?"

Otra vez, you must have a sucker complex to be in this victim role, carnalito.

"Please, I kicked it in the Rock Mara throughout the 80's and you know what? I had a great time partying with the homies who all knew where me and my family was from, Stockton, CAlifas."

You could have kicked it in San Fer or 18th Street or the Avenues or White Fence and you know what? You would have had a great time there too even if you were from Serote, Califas. Why? Simple. Because you did NOT constitute a threat, Chingon. You weren't going around talking any anti-SUR shit to the wrong people or you wouldn't obviously be posting this hate stuff on this board in the name of "information". If you act right, in any barrio, you get treated right. Bottom line.

"So the Mara and the Eme kissed and made up? Good for you"

No,Chingoncito, not good for me. I'm not EME, Sur or Norte. I be knowing some gangland shit but I don't misrepresent anything and
if Maravilla now feels inclined to pay their taxes instead of spending time in p.c. then do you think you're opinion, or the opinion of some 1980's victims, are going to change this? Don't ask me why they decided to 'kiss and make up' -- ask them since you say you are so plugged into them.

'bro they are not seperate or strays as you are trying to project....'

Every Maravilla neighborhood is separate from the other. If they weren't, then it would just be Maravilla, period. If you knew what you were talking about you would know that most of the gang murder victims inside Maravilla is NOT from some monster Sureno gang coming in and killing them, it's from a Maravilla gang killing another Maravilla gang member. If you were "kicking it" with the right vatos when you were down here in the '80's, you would have learned that. That is, unless they just didn't trust you enough to share that kind of info.

"But tell that to all the other Homies from Lopez and the Rock and all the other Maras that still say F*^k Sur!!!.

Misinformed Carnalito .... First of all, I don't hate anyone. I love people. In fact, if you were here, I'd give you a big "hug". But you still need to pass the toques. I think I would love what you are smoking.

Look I'm not trying to stir shit up jus' informing you is all...Don't hate jus read...

All that Cesar Chavez stuff might work for people up north. I wish it would work here too but the picture you are painting isn't the picture that exists here in the calles of Los Angeles. Do you need statistics? Never mind. Just pass the leno and go to the store and get me a case of Corona.

Anonymous said...

HEY, THIS DUDE KICKED IT IN "THE" MARAVILLA. HOW MANY RAVE PARTIES DID YOU ATTEND? HE KICKED IT IN "THE" MARAVILLA. NOW IF THAT AIN'T A LAME EXPRESSION ....

SURF'S UP, DUDE. I KICKED IT IN "THE" VENICE TAMBIEN.

Anonymous said...

LOl Anyway, We will definately have our own oppinions I can see that....Peace, No more negitive shit...Here's the joint, Homey have at it's Humbolt County, stuff...It would be nice if we really all could get along but it can't and won't happen....Why maybe it's the Indian in us...Always wanting to do battle hell, something like that huh?

Anonymous said...

).Here's the joint, Homey have at it's Humbolt County, stuff...)

Orale pues, now you're talking my language. Let the Suratas and Farmeros do their thing and we'll do ours.

"Damn!! This is goooood shit, homes.
What happened to the Corona? Broke, huh? Orale, I'll chip in. Don't forget the lime, homes. And trucha con los blancos y negros.
That pinchi helicopter keeps flying around".

Anonymous said...

EL SERENO,california!

R2K said...

Hi from NYC!

R2000

gred said...

i've been reading different things on this site. from what i've been reading i have ckome up with some questions. first of all, im an eastckoast damu. seckond i would like to cknow why if there is so much brotherhood within the eme, why are there certain eme members who happen to align themselves with locs and others with damu's? i cknow that eme was flaggin that ckolor since way back when. but why is it that on the eastckoast eme members are looked upon as weak, defenseless, and not too bright individuals? out here in wilmington,de you got different facktions of eme that dont cknow what their organization is all about. are these eme members over here any relation to the westckoast eme members?

Anonymous said...

Hello Gred .....

In response to your questions:

[why are there certain eme members who happen to align themselves with locs and others with damu's?]

EME members in the prison system have sympathizers from many criminal walks of life. Their main allies are 1)"Surenos" - (L.A. based street gang members and those who identify with L.A. street gangs by extension) and 2)The Aryan Brotherhood - this alliance goes way back to the 1960's in the California prison system and now exists on the outside and in the federal prison system.

In many states there are local gang bangers who seek to identify with the west coast EME by misrepresenting themselves as being EME.

[but why is it that on the eastckoast eme members are looked upon as weak, defenseless, and not too bright individuals?]

I certainly have no idea who you are speaking of. The made EME members that are known are anything but what you speak of. Even their enemies, who would love to badmouth them, would tell you this.

Whoever you are encountering in Wilmington, DE, are either wannabe's or comletely unrelated to the West Coast guys. I have a hunch that the people you are encountering, according to your description, couldn't even tie the shoe laces of the run of the mill L.A. street gang members who are non-EME.

I hope this answers your question.

KMA

scared said...

i am looking for a bit of help here if at all possable does anyone know anything about sammy venegas, eddie vindiola, or randy vidal jr?

Anonymous said...

I have read this whole list of E-mails and have come to the conclusion that only a few, have any idea as to what is really going on! I would just lke to mention to all those kids that are trying to be something that they are not to take their time and grow up as time allows! Because as we that have been around for awhile recognize, we all need to show some respect to survive in any type of barrio or pinta. You can be that vato loco that goes around just doing whatever he wants with no regard for anyone or anything, but as seen in the past those binges are usually short lived. I am homegrown Maravilla and do know that Maravilla is not paying taxes as to where this information was formed I would really like to know. But this is something that anyone being from Maravilla has learned to deal with.
I have heard from some youngsters that Maravilla has a greenlight due to the fact that they don't claim the south if you noticed I did not say sur.My question to those that are spreading lame rumors is check your maps where in the hell is Maravilla located. The last time I looked it was in the the middle of southern california.
the reason I mention this is in regards to backing up the south you will find that a solid vato from Maravilla behind you in a time of need is one of the best that there is just ask any of the veteranos that have been county born and state raised. I just hope that this website stays as one with open communication and not one that is used for Web Banging for a bunch of kids that remind me of cell bangers!

For all our Raza get educated focus all the negative energy to positive and let's run this state like we should be doing! Not worrying about who is the biggest and the mas loco!

Anonymous said...

Tijuana Jailer,

I admire your immense knowledge on the subject of prison gangs. I am personally from Oxnard, California and I happened to grow up a street over from the residence of Death Row Joe Gonzales in the Colonia section of Oxnard. I knew him - just in passing - and it is hard for me to imagine that he was a catalyst in starting a vicious prison gang, as he always seemed to be a pleasant individual. Anyhow, I realize this is a Sureno board but I wanted to ask you if you know what happened to Joe? In doing my "amateurish" Internet research, I cannot find anything about what ever became of him. Thanks for your help.

David

Anonymous said...

WHATS UP WITH THE GREEN LIGHT ON ASIANS I HEARD IT WAS STARTED BECAUSE OF ASIAN GANGS IN LONG BEACH TRG AND ABZ KILLING LONG BEACH LONGOS IS THIS STILL GOING ON?

Anonymous said...

All of you dummies don't know what you are talking about. I am from Arizona Maravilla, and nobody has kissed and made up with the EME. We still got the green light, we still get sent to high power in the county, and we still don't pay taxes. We are just Maravilla. Also, the green light comes from not being a sureno.There is a big difference between sureno and south sider.If your gonna talk like you know what you are saying, try asking someone from Maravilla before you open your trap.

tuffskin4080 said...

First off seems like my jente are really blind and just leading the blind.This senseless agression has plagued are sangre and were losing fast.I myself live in the heart of the norteno stomping grounds San jose Califas and have witnessed the magnetic streets suck are young chicanos up real quick..End up in the iron box brain washed and tossed into this struggle for power that really has never lead to any real power..I know many brothers from the north and south want to exercise a unity and comman respect and move on what is stopping us ?How can the decendants of the temple builders become so zombie like believing that our reflection is our own enemy? We need to wake up we continue to live in a furnace of affliction and infect the new hope with the poison.If someones gonna lead the way stop putting up walls and lets take our shit back!

Anonymous said...

maravilla is still on the tax free list,we have refused to be surenos,and pay taxes to anyone,alot of these so called surenos,can'nt face the fact that we are bitch free,we take pride in being from MARAVILLA,could'nt get any better,we have alot of pride in what we beleive in,just like u surenos take pride in getting your money taken,well more power to you..lol..MARAVILLOSO..

LOPEZ64 said...

THIS IS CHARLIE DE LA MARAVILLA RIFA, NOW LIVING IN BULLHEAD CITY, ARIZONA.,WISHING ALL THE HOMIES BACK IN EAST L.A. A HAPPY MARAVILLOSO CHRISTMAS AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR.

Anonymous said...

to all the marvellous one's all over the nation,just want to wish everyone a happy tax free merry X mas,and a happy new year...EL FROG...MARAVILLOSO....

Anonymous said...

cwb 4 life do hate bitches

Anonymous said...

God can do more with your lives then leaving it in the hands of man.

Anonymous said...

im from northern califas and was wandering if the surenos tax these fake ass surenos up here and how do u real southerners feel about these fake ass lames making you guys look bad and using 13 when there not even califas bred

Anonymous said...

im from northern califas and was wandering if surenos tax these lame ass sureno wanabess up here and what do real southerners think of these lames making u guys look like a bunch of mojados ive been to pico rivera and met some real firme gente we talked and respected eachother no dissing but when i came back to the norte i see these blue raggers with no respect for the hood or anything the only reason thers so many is cause there all coming from mexico claiming sur when they dont even know shit about the history . destroying shit molesting little girls and shooting shit up yelling 13

Anonymous said...

FUCK EVERY BODY THATS TALKING SHIT OF THE BIG EME,LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING THE MEXICAN MAFIA IS MULTYPLYLING BY THE HUNDREDS.MEXICAN MAFIA IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE HERE STRONG AND RUNNING SHIT!

Anonymous said...

remember back in the 70's and early 80,s,the chino sinners USED to be busters?

Anonymous said...

yeah, not anymore though, now Chino Sinners are varrio solo, which means that they dont pay taxes but are still associated with the sur in the jails and prisons

Anonymous said...

what ever happened to Richard "mosca" Solis

MANIAK14 "PURO NORTE" said...

LET ME START OFF BY SAYING FUCKI ALL SCRAPS AND BULLFROGS THIS IS PURO NORTE 4 LIFE!!!! FUCK THE EME AND ALL THOSE SCRAPAS THEY WERE ALWAYS INFERIOR TO THAT MIGHTY N-O-R-T-E SHIT WHATS UP WITH THESE WANNA BE SURENOS CLAMIN 13 THINKING ITS COOL TO WEAR FLUE IN NORTHERN CALI AINT NO REAL SCARAPS IN NORTHERN CALI JUST PLASTIC SEE THREWS MISS GUIEDED MISFITS THIS IS PURO NORTE NORTENOS RUN SHIT WE AINT JOST IN NORTHERN CALI WE WORLD WIDE REPPIN THAT NORTE TO THE FULLEST ENE AND ANY MATHAFUCKER GOT A PROBLEM WITH THAT THE NAME IS MANIAK FROM WEST SIDE FRESNORTE BULLFROG KILLA AND SCRAP KILLA ALL DAY EVERY DAY PUTTIN IN WORK ON ALL THEM BITCH AS NIGGAS AND IM GONE DIE YELLIN NORTE!!!!MANIAK W.S.F.N BFK SK 114%

Anonymous said...

IM FROM MARAVILLA AND TRUST ME 2 ALL U FUCKING SURRATS WE STILL GOT THE GREENLIGHT AND STILL NOT PAYING TAXES FUCK SUR! THATS RIGHT THATS WHAT WERE GONNA BE ALL THE FUCKING TIME SURRAT KILLERS "GREENLIGHTERS 4 LIFE"AND FOR ALL U LAME SURRATS MARAVILLA IS STARTING 2 GROWAGAIN EVEN NEW MARAVILLA VARRIOS R POPPING UP ALL OVER EXPANDING ALL THE WAY 2 TEXAS SO ALL U SURRATS KEEP TRUCHA
MARAVILLA LIVES AND IT WILL NEVER DIE

Anonymous said...

http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5078755&postID=112189927352113197&isPopup=true
Post a Comment From what I heard about the greenlight on the Asians was over some Cambodian from TRG killing A Longo that was hooked up, but thats just what I heard.

Anonymous said...

You had me going until this statement:

[i][b]will attest to the fact that a handful of Chicanos could confront a large group of blacks and send them "running" like a stampede of cattle by just blinking their eyes.[/b][/i]

We all know that Chicanos were getting their Lights knocked Out" on head up squabbles for years.

Chicanos didn't flex until the Percentage ratio lies in there favor.Lets keep it real in here!

On this smashing when its its a 1 to 10 ratio, doesn't impress me.

Especially when the majority of blacks they smashing is burnt out baseheads and skid roll bums.

Chicanos are not smashing when the #'s are even or when there is a sizable active Crip and Blood presence in the Black population.

Smashing baseheads and the homeless is a sad Power move.

Anonymous said...

I quess there were baseheads in the isolation units in San Quentin in the 70s to 1975?I remember my brother writing to me from the Adjustment Center, while I was in Okinawa Japan in 1974-75.There was one incident when the guards set up sailor boy and my brother in 1974,my brother fought with four of them.I seen the report but the names are blackened with ink.ON that incident my brother walked away with a broken thumb.I remember him telling me you always have to stay ready.