Tuesday, July 26, 2005

OFF THE AIR FOR THE NEXT WEEK
There won't be any posting until August 3. Ithehat is going on vacation. Until then, stay safe and catch me up in if anything happens while we're kayaking.

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Sancha said...

Sure, leave us in the sweltering, city teeming with violence...

Anonymous said...

Wally have a ball but if your anywhere near norcal beware of those terrorists "woof woof" they may want to give you a rectal exam to make sure your a "senorito"

Anonymous said...

That's central cali not northern buddy. No bulldogs up north.

Anonymous said...

beware the southlands less you have to pay taxes on the kayak again which will no dount be used to fund a tecato's habit

Anonymous said...

wtf, why is he leaving?

Sancha said...

hope there's no float-by's on the river, wally...

Anonymous said...

Idiots... stop while you're ahead! And that was a dumb ass remark about funding a Tecatos Habit... hopefully it will be used to fund a pegada on your dumb ass! Shut up already!
"Why is he leaving", to get away from you idiots!

Anonymous said...

Also just a word to the wise Wally, if your up north beware the people dressed as farmers selling produce, it could be some NF vatos in disguise! Or maybe it isn't a disguise?

Anonymous said...

Geez, let the guy go rafting already. We need to locate a baby sitter for you kiddos. See what you started, Sancha ;-).

KMA

Sancha said...

Just trying to lighten the mood, guys. Sorry...I'll behave from now on.

Anonymous said...

(Idiots... stop while you're ahead! And that was a dumb ass remark about funding a Tecatos Habit... hopefully it will be used to fund a pegada on your dumb ass! Shut up already!
"Why is he leaving", to get away from you idiots!)

Translated: Pendejos! Don't be badmouthing the EME (Exploiting Mexicanos Everywhere) because they are really not into drugs but are God-fearing individuals....it is futhermore my hope that the tax revenue will be effectively utilized to fund a "hit" on your pendejo ass. So shut aw-pi yo face right now!
Why did Wally up and take a well needed vacation? Because pendejos like you are screwing up the vato's brain!!! Orale.

Senor Anonymous who is watching you como Big Carnal.

Anonymous said...

OK guys, these are serious moments and there will be no off color jokes until "The Big Homie" Wally returns. Sancha, into the kitchen.
Cook up some frijoles for the vatos and lets give an extra plate to anyone going through PMS so we can eliminate their sensitivity.

KMA

Anonymous said...

"Also just a word to the wise Wally, if your up north beware the people dressed as farmers selling produce, it could be some NF vatos in disguise! Or maybe it isn't a disguise?"

At least you'll get some produce.


In the southlands, beware the cholos masquerading as promoters of ethnic pride asking for your hard earned money to promote the chicano UNICEF:
In return for a 10% donation you'll get a picture of a tecato, a brief essay about his history of living in deprivation(SHU), and the promise he'll write you once a month to ask for more money.

Anonymous said...

LMAO... I doubt a "Carnal" could careless what everyone here talks about... you just sound stupid, get off the dudes nuts already!

Anonymous said...

In the southlands, beware the cholos masquerading as promoters of ethnic pride asking for your hard earned money to promote the chicano UNICEF:
In return for a 10% donation you'll get a picture of a tecato, a brief essay about his history of living in deprivation(SHU), and the promise he'll write you once a month to ask for more money

Anonymous said...

I'm guiessing Wally went on vacation because anyone with a healthy appetite for life does that now and then. I know its hard for some of you wannabe gangstas to comprehend leaving the hood except to vacation in la pinta but people take trips because they want to see the world and/or enjoy life all the time.


now i'm just pushing buttons to get some dialog going here. Those farmer and Unicef jokes were both funny

Anonymous said...

"masquerading as promoters of ethnic pride"...
And what are you promoting... besides your homosexuality? Bet your gay ass don't talk that shit on the streets, say it where it counts... you're probably one of them lames who used to get beat up by his homies, you're own neighborhood don't like you huh? Try to fit in with society, maybe they'll accept your weak ass! :)

Anonymous said...

Unless your in the gang yourself, youre just a hanger on groupie of gangsters. who's the fag now?
do you scream the big homies name when he's giving it good to you too?

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, I did have a few homies beat me up when I was coming up. I didn't have an tios or older brothers to carry me. Pero sabes que homie, them putos don't even look my way anymore. I rose above all them bitches who tried to get with me cause I was a newbie. But He who laughs last laughs best! Obviously your on the jock of certain vatos and if you can't realize its usually the homies who will try and get you in the end, stay out this shit!
If you've never been beat up, you must have not been doing shit to begin with.
Its like pitbulls, you don't know a good one until it takes a hard bite and still keeps coming!
You've obviously never been bitten pinche cur!

Anonymous said...

Major Aryan Brotherhood trial about to begin in Santa Ana, CA. Article:

http://p204.news.mud.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050723/us_nm/crime_aryan_dc

Anonymous said...

EVERYBODY JUST CHILL!!!!
C'MON,ALL THIS IS NONESENCE!
WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY WONDER WHY THE S.W.A.T. TEAM KILLED THAT LITTLE GIRL? I KNOW HER FATHER WAS WRONG BY WHAT HE DID,BUT GOD C'MON!THE OFFICERS KNEW THERE WAS A BABY AT RISK,THEY SHOULD OF HELD BACK LONGER,THEY HAD PLENTY OF MAN POWER AND WEAPONRY TO WAIT IT OUT,BUT THEY DIDN'T THEY KNEW HE WAS A LATINO AND THEY WENT ON THE OFFENCIVE,IF HE WHERE BLACK THEY WOULD OF WAITED ALL NIGHT FOR SURE!
BECAUSE THE BLACKS STICK TOGETHER,IN THOSE KINDS OF SITUATIONS THEY UNITE!!THE RAZA NEVER DOES!THEY JUST SIT BACK AND TAKE IT! I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY MAJOR FIGURES THAT ARE LATINO EVER TAKE A STAND FOR OUR RAZA IN A SITUATION
LIKE THIS!! WHY IS THAT? HOW COME THE BLACKS ARE SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THIS? WHERE ARE OUR LATINO LEADERS IN THIS? THE LITTLE GIRL THAT DIED WAS LATINA? THE FATHER WAS GOING NUTS!!S.W.A.T. HAS NEGOTIATERS! HOW COME THEY DIDN'T WAIT IT OUT? WE'VE ALL SEEN WHEN A SUSPECT IS BARRICADED FOR WELL OVER TEN HOURS,ARMED WITH A WEAPON AND IN SOME CASES HAS SHOT AT POLICE,THEN THE COPS WAIT IT OUT AND SHOOT IN SOME TEAR GAS AND THEN THEY GO IN,BUT IN THIS CASE WITH A BABY THEY DECIDE TO GO IN LIKE COMMANDOS? I KNOW A COP GOT SHOT,AND THAT WASN'T RIGHT,BUT WHERE WAS THE PRECAUTION FOR THE BABY'S SAFETY?
CAN ANYONE ANSWER OR CLEARIFY THAT? WHAT ARE THE ACTUAL PROTOCALS IN A HOSTAGE SITUATION,THE BABY WAS A HOSTAGE,WASN'T SHE?

HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!

Anonymous said...

I READ ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY IN WATTS COMING OUT TO SUPPORT THE LIL GIRL'S FAMILY. ITS WAS FIRME FOR THEM TO DO THAT IN LIGHT OF THE ARTICLE IN LA WEEKLY ON RACIAL KILLINGS OF BLACKS BY CHICANOS.
THE CARNALES WOULD DO GOOD TO PAY FOR THE GIRLS BURIAL OR GIVE SOME GESTURE OF SUPPORT PUBLICLY. EVEN CAPONE HAD SOUP KITCHENS.

Sancha said...

Any man, any color, who picks up a child in one hand and a gun in the other is a cowardly piece of shit. His wife was quoted as saying (and I paraphrase) he was holding the cell phone, the baby and the gun and couldn't manage all three. What did he choose to drop? The cell phone that could have saved both their lives. I wouldn't proudly claim him as part of mi raza.

Anonymous said...

(Any man, any color, who picks up a child in one hand and a gun in the other is a cowardly piece of shit.)

Maybe there is a better way of doing something but the onus is definitely on the father, deranged or not. Our police officers often have to make on-the-spot decisions and 99% of the time I will side with our officers.

If people have a problem with cops then try pulling them out of your communities for a week or two and talk to me about how you are better off without them.

KMA

Anonymous said...

"masquerading as promoters of ethnic pride"...
And what are you promoting... besides your homosexuality? Bet your gay ass don't talk that shit on the streets, say it where it counts... you're probably one of them lames who used to get beat up by his homies, you're own neighborhood don't like you huh? Try to fit in with society, maybe they'll accept your weak ass! :)

Obviously this upset you so how about giving me some examples of things being done by the EME or NF to uplift their respective communities. It will shut me up alot faster than questioning my sexuality.
does anyone know of any programs run by prison gangs to help people?
even ones used as fronts?

Anonymous said...

I can't think of one "front" organization run by prison gangs. This type of thing was done by gangster in the past. But they allways got plug as fake Robin Hood and then lost any outreach abiltity. It is the media and the cops that dissalow this type of thing. It would be great to see it. I know in Chicago it was all the rage for gangsters to help out there niehborhood. But money issues and lawenforcement made it impossable. As far as I am conserned if someone wants to help folks get off drugs or stay away from the pen. Cool.
I don't know, can you see the Brand saying stay off drugs and stay in school?

Anonymous said...

Major Aryan Brotherhood trial about to begin in Santa Ana, CA. Article:

http://p204.news.mud.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050723/us_nm/crime_aryan_dc



Hmm, the leader of the Aryan Nation is named Tommy Silverstein. I don't know about you, but that name sounds Jewish. What is wrong with this picture?

Anonymous said...

They're Prison Gangs... why would you even ask a question like that? I think a better question to ask is... What am "I" doing to uplift my community? Stop looking to these people like they're the reason for all the chaos... everyone in society should take responsibility for the way it is, especially those who are not active within the community... If you're not part of the solution, then you're part of the problem! It's just a lot easier to point the finger... just like a rata!
If this group of people bothers you so much... what are you doing to stop them?
I know this is not much... but I'm involved with The Big Brothers of Greater Los Angeles... and do other volunteer clean up on the streets (which includes Graffiti removal)! I believe in the "Broken Window Theory", and I think this helps somewhat... maybe it will inspire some who see a young Mexican out there to do the same!
Only thing you're promoting or contributing to is Low Self Esteem... Homie, if you don't have anything positive then shut your mouth! Fuck teaching these white folks and one another about prison gangs, teach them kids where you live how to love themselves! I know it's wishful thinking, but that's the only real way to stop them!

Anonymous said...

I don't go the youth centers and help out physically, but I do give regular monetary donations to a center that helped me get on the right track. I've even been asked to be a paid guest speaker at that center. I said chale because I'm no angel and wouldn't want someone to see me there giving a speech and then doing something illegal later. I could see something like that really fucking with an impressionable youngsters mind. I do kick in with cash to help the center though. I also support all kinds of charities by sponsoring people for the march of dimes, heart walk, diabetes walk, bay to breakers etc etc. That may not seem like it helps raza specifically, but it does in the long run.
So I don't just complain and look to others to solve our problems.
I aksed what gangs did to uplift the community out of curiousity not as a plea for help.
Like it was stated in an earlier post, Chicago gangs (larry hoover) used to do it all the time.
It wouldn't hurt for any prison gang collecting taxes on drug dealers to kick down some turkeys on thanksgiving to the poor residents having to put up with the dealers.

Anonymous said...

"Fuck teaching these white folks and one another about prison gangs"

I THINK THEY'RE TEACHING US HOMIE!
BESIDES THATS WHAT THIS BLOG IS ABOUT

Anonymous said...

To the person that said that Tommy Silverstien is Leader of the Aryan Nations, first off he is a member of the Aryan Brotherhood, and he is not Jewish. his mom hooked uo with a man when he was young and he took his name.Tommy's real dad is Irish. He is from Long Beach Ca and while I am not white, I grew up there and all the ese's love that dude for the way he handled himself in the face of adversity. Just ask Quate or Sana. He is legend he hit Cadilac the leader of the DC blacks who are mortal enemies of La eMe. And for the last thing the Aryan Nations has nothing to do with the Aryan Brotherhood. The Aryan Brotherhood is non political and really has no racist agenda. They just are white and criminal groups evolve along ethnic geographical lines.Like the eMe and the AB are together because allot of them grew up together in places like Paramont and other semi suburbs of LA, especaily Orange County. Where Sana has close ties to guys like Donny Trout and oldman Bobby Crane. John Stentson was real close to Quate from La Rana, as a matter of fact they fell together on a murder in Seal Beach Ca. Something over drugs.

Anonymous said...

Is tommy the guy who is in a cell under " no human contact" orders for slipping out oh his handcuffs and killing a co?
Also Barry Mills is listed as being in terminal island FCI hwich is low security, how did he get out of florence USP.

Anonymous said...

Here's a link on EME , AB war with DC Blacks:
http://foia.fbi.gov/aryanbro/aryanbro1.pdf

Anonymous said...

Yes that is the same terrible Tom S. And as for Barry Mills in TI, they have a high security Holding. I think a few of the guys are there because West Valley in San Berdo is trying to get rid of most the people. The fella's are giving them hell as far as motions to get special medical attention and all kinds of petty things though the federal courts.
I think Tyler Bingam is in TI too. The only one that is in the Metropolitain Detention Center is Mac. As for why he is not at Florence, all of the defendants were kidnaped in the middle of the night from there Marion, Pelican Bay and institutions though out the USA. You have to remeber this is the biggest death penalty care EVER!!
Never has there been this many people in one trial in one case that could get the chair. It is with out equal, in the history of american juresprudance.
It is funny they have something like this going on and you have stuff like the Lacey Peterson trial making headlines. They have an unspoken gag order with the feds, Greg Jessner has spoken with a couple of reporters about it, but now all are mute. The AB guys are doing well in their defence and they are winning allot of the motions they have submitted. I am thinking they will get life for most of the members ( this being stupid because that is what they already have, Life) and a couple guys like Mills, John S, Mac and TD getting the death penalty.

Anonymous said...

In that link for the AB and the war with the DC Blacks, the Confidential Informant
(the one that is blacked out) is Silent Mike, Mike Carmicheal. He is one of the biggest rats ever. He told on La eMe too. He was a big time gangster and ran parts of LA County Jail. He had some guy hit in 4700 that had lots of friends and while he had the green light to do as he thought was right, allot of bad will was set behind that hit. A guy named Billy Fox and Iron Man did the deed and they have rolled since then. Billy was killed on the streets because he talked. But anyway Silent Mike is radio active!! Everyone wants him dead.He was on 48 hours back when he first flipped. He was talking how this person was tipped and this is where they live and run bussiness. He took reporters by all these houses that had gangster shit going on. It included some heavey eMe too. He was from South Bay and knew everyone as he grew up in the life.

Anonymous said...

ironic his name is silent mike

Anonymous said...

I seen a whole show on silverstein on cable a couple years back. Its was about an hour long. He is one bad dude.

BIGDREW said...

THE MAN IS RIGHT WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT TAXING CHICANOS FOR TECATO HABITS, BECAUSE THATS ALL THEY ARE, AND IF YOU DENY THAT, THEN YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN TO THE JOINT OR MET A CARNAL, CAUSE THEY ALL GOT HABITS, SO TAXATION IS BULLSHIT .. WHEN HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF A CARNAL PAYING FOR A FUNERAL OR GIVING OUT PRESENTS FOR CHRISTMAS LIKE THE BIKERS DO, OR EVEN FUNDRAISING FOR THE COMMUNITY? THEY DONT , THE ONLY FUNDRAISING THEY DO IS TAXATION FOR THE GOLD VIENS THEY HAVE, AND BESIDES THEY HAVE KILLED MORE RAZA IN THE CALLES AND JAILS THAN A MAYATE EVER HAS, SO WAKE UP AND SMELL THE CHANATE, BESIDES IF YOU AGREE WITH WHAT THEY R DOING THEN YOU MUST LOVE TO BE OPPRESSED AND CONTROLLED, MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL PITCH IN AND BUY YOU A TICKET TO IRAQ SO YOU CAN LIVE OVER THERE ?? LMAO BIG DREWW,, A FORMER SURATA WHO GOT TIRED OF TAXATION, ME VALE MADRE..

Anonymous said...

Hey Drew, I hear you about not allowing anyone to take your lunch money. So now that you are in fruit picking country, are the Farmers doing the same to you (taking your lunch money to support their habits?).
I'm sure you're not telling us that you have found Chicano Heaven in the fields of Delano?

Anonymous said...

(A FORMER SURATA WHO GOT TIRED OF TAXATION, ME VALE MADRE.)

So if the Carnales got "more involved" in the community with lunch programs and the whole nine yards, that would make them "Goodfellas" ??

Anonymous said...

OK FARMER THANKS FOR THE GREAT INSIGHT !!!! I LOVE HOW ALL THESE BUSTERS ARE CONSTANTLY TALKING SHIT HOW WE ARE STUPID FOR GOING A LONG WITH PAYING TAXES AND OTHER EME RULES. LIKE WE HAVE A FUCKEN CHOICE AND LIKE IF YOU WERE HERE YOU WOULD KICK UP SOME DUST.YOU CANT EVEN HANDLE A BUNCH OF BORDER BROTHERS FRONTING AS SURENOS AND TAKING OVER YOUR FEILDS. IMAGINE IF YOU LIVED DOWN HERE WERE THEY PLAY FOR KEEPS. YOU WOULD BE DOG MEAT!!! SHUT THE FUCK UP AND SPEAK ONLY ON AGRICULTURE ISSUES AND UBONIKS!

Anonymous said...

I understand there's a few vatos and clickas down down there refusing to pay taxes, you just aint one of them. And by tone of your post, you sound like you resent paying taxes.
Some places up north have varrios and people paying taxes because the NF is trying to do to the North what EME did to the south.
And there have been resiters here as well who also got dealt with.
Still, it wouldn't hurt for either side to kick back some tax money to the varrios, support a mural , pay for a funeral, kick down some turkeys on thanksgiving, sponsor posadas at christmas.or even a scholarhsip for a lil homie..but.. let me guess...that would be showing weakness huh?

Anonymous said...

Obviously you have know idea how shit goes down up north. The SUR up north catch hell in 90% of Norte Califas, but there's no need for the dissin. We can exchange ideas and insight without the grade school disses. We ain't kids no more so act right.

Anonymous said...

(Still, it wouldn't hurt for either side to kick back some tax money to the varrios, support a mural , pay for a funeral, kick down some turkeys on thanksgiving, sponsor posadas at christmas.or even a scholarhsip for a lil homie..but.. let me guess...that would be showing weakness huh?)

First of all, Hard Core gang bangers have either ascended to, or they fancy themselves to be, at a "higher level" of criminal strata which we in LE call "organized crime".

If they perform community services such as enforcing "no drive-by edicts", bank rolling rap groups who perform at Cinco de Mayo events, etc., do you really delude yourself into thinking that this is a "good thing".

A wolf in sheep's clothing who comes in the name of peace but seeks only to legitimize himself and his cohorts is merely looking for a "front" for their illegal operations.

Let the experts, in conjunction with the concerned community folks, take care of these groups (EG's as one poster so aptly calls them - "Evil Groups") and let's stop trying to make them look like heroes.

Our real role models are the war heroes who return from serving our country, our teachers, priests, police officers and the good people who are doing the things that you speak of.

We don't need no stinking gangster throwing filthy money around in search of sanitization from us because of their so called "good deeds".

If you make a "pact with the devil" then we reap what we sow.

KMA

TijuanaJailer said...

(If you make a "pact with the devil" then we reap what we sow)

You couldn't have stated this any better, KMA. We in the community are not deluded and we certainly know who our enemy is. It surely is not the police as some would like for us to think!

It certainly isn't the "common" gang member either. The common neighborhood homie seeks the companionship and "family" that does not exist in many of their real homes.

But then there is the hard core gang member who has indeed graduated into an area in which he has devoted himself to "making a career out of crime".

These people choose a different lifestyle than that of mainstream America and this is their right.

But, when their "game" deviates from the rules of society, then come the consequences. The real gangsters know this and they take their medicine like men.

This is one of the reasons why groups like EME do not wage war against LE. There is an "unwritten respect" that is mutual. They respect us that do our jobs professionally and we respect them when it's time to "hook 'em and book 'em".

The Fear Factor is the obstacle that gang members today worry about. One writer here just stated: "LIKE WE HAVE A FUCKEN CHOICE". This is a powerful truth.

If EME has one thing you can place as foremost in their portfolio it is this: They have demonstrated their ability to control incarerated settings to the point that everyone on the outside is acutely aware that if you do anything to offend them, they can catch you on the inside. Sooner or later, if crime is your game, you will become a resident of a state prison or jail facility and they have the horses to reach most inmates.

It is the fear of such retaliation that keeps Surenos, and whoever they wish to control, in line. If the EME was the controlling group in Northern Cal or wherever, they would similarly mete out the same fear and retribution there.

Gang membership, if you ask me, becomes less and less appealing as time goes by. My kids and nephews would be on a short leash, for sure.

Peace ........

TijuanaJailer

Anonymous said...

gay

Anonymous said...

I don't think Tijuas Jailer or KMA are gay so you'll have to fish for dates on another blog homie.

Anonymous said...

KICK BACK MONEY TO THE POOR OR FOR A FUNERAL? THEY ARE THE MAFIA NOT THE RED CROSS !!!

Anonymous said...

Larry Hoover and Al Capone did it. But then unless you a southerner you aint really mafia.

Anonymous said...

hey BIGDREW!! You must be a BIKER huh? or GREENLIGHTER?remember you used to be a SOUTHSIDER,..used to be!!!SO WHY ARE YOU STILL INTERESTED ON THE SUBJECT?...do you wish you could of
been more of a soldier or what?why do you have such a negative attitude,let us know!WOW SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT PUNKED OUT OF ALOT OF MONEY HUH!besides how do bikers earn their patches?it's not for those toys for tots runs that they do,besides BIKERS are not so innocent,they like to play it off,with some good deeds of course,but that doesn't give them POWER!!just attention from LAW ENFORCEMENT,and i think having POWER will take you further for your own cause,don't you think?
besides the day you join a BIKER GANG,you also are OPPRESSED and CONTROLLED!!!you just don't join and do as you please,and when a BIKER is in jail HE IS ALSO!!gonna go with the program,well i would think!!so if you hate the SOUTHSIDE so much do your cholesterol level a favor,DON'T LOG ON A BLOG THATS DEDICATED TO A SUBJECT YOU DISLIKE!! RIGHT!

JUST BORED!!!

Anonymous said...

(JUST BORED!!!)

Man, you must be bored to be up on the blog at 1:45 in the a.m.

Anonymous said...

(Our real role models are the war heroes who return from serving our country, our teachers, priests, police officers and the good people who are doing the things that you speak of)

Read about REAL heroes here:

http://www.wtv-zone.com/Mary/THISWILLMAKEYOUPROUD.
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StillNoScript said...

I think we all agree that we need LE to protect innocent people from those who intend to harm them, and I certainly commend ALL LE officials for doing that in and of itself.

But if we're going to get into 'good' vs. 'evil'? Let's at least be fair and factor in our nation's ENTIRE history and come to the conclusion that there is both good and evil on the side of CHICANO STREET GANGS, and THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Anonymous said...

Whoever said all Carnals are Tecatos is an ignorant lame! That is the stupidest shit I ever heard... you've probably only met one in your whole ignorant existence, and his name is Sapo who lived out in the High Desert! Keep your lame ass off the Blog cause you obviously don't know what the fuck you're talking about!
Like I've said before... there are some good righteous brothers who don't play all that drug shit... and are not just out to get over on a Young Mexican. And nah, I'm not some lop ass mutha F'er who's out here banging or trying to hurt anyone... I'm in the military and have been for the past 6 years, and almost done getting my degree in Engineering, also working on my Criminal Justice... but I grew up around the shit and have a tio up in Pelican Bay and still keep close ties with those from my area. I visit my uncle about every 2 to 3 months, but gots to be careful with all this Gang Investigation bull shit going on out here... they try to make a conspiracy out of every piece of correspondence going in and out the place!
I just can't sit here and not comment on the bullshit some of these fools be saying... talking out the side of their necks! And all that bullshit about real hero's, LMAO... man, there some lame ass fools in the military too, snitch ass punks everywhere I guess... but I guess I'm going with the lesser of the 2 evils! Trust me... these fools here in the Military don't give a fuck about you... we get paid to be here =o)... just like the police and everybody else. Loyalty is a mutha fucker... how many cops you think would be true to their jobs if the price was right to do some dirty shit! You think the SHU is an easy place to be? Who in their right mind, but a LOYAL fool, would embrace that environment? It's easy to give up and debrief... that's the easy way out, and selfish act to say the least! All the rata's doing is putting someone else in the place he once occupied so he can have it a little better, or too breathe a little easier! Man... it's all too one's own opinion I guess, but I see life through the eyes of the fella's sittin in SHU... and I agree with them... some strong individuals right there, and I know I'm not them, but my loyalty is there just as strong!
Keep your ignorant shit off here!

Anonymous said...

(But if we're going to get into 'good' vs. 'evil'? Let's at least be fair)

In discussing people like the EME and other "hard core" groups in the context of "good versus evil" you are saying that we should be fair?

Where does fairness enter the picture? Do you really think that, as a law abiding citizen, I would be more concerned with ridding my neighborhood of drug dealers or more interested in how the cops obtained the search warrant to conduct their search?

Trust me, they can keep their "fairness". I don't care how you do it, just get the evil slime out of here.

I've read the "splitting hair" comments of the semantical use of the word "terrorism" between you and TJailer. Are we now going to debate the definition of the word "evil"? I hope not.

KMA

Anonymous said...

once again, gay

Anonymous said...

when the hell is Wally getting back!?

Anonymous said...

TROLLING FOR DATES AGAIN?

Anonymous said...

Anyone ever see Court TV'S the Elite Prison Squad? They do a special on Pelican Bay Prison.
In one clip they go to the SHU and say this cell belongs to a guy controlling most of the crime in the San Fernando Valley. He has a folder with a black hand on it and a 13. The guard says this guy is a heavy hitter in the EME. they never show his face but do a search of the cell and find a warm pipe with some fresh herion residue. I think they find a spoon as well. NO ONE EVER SAID ALL CARNALES WERE TECATOS, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE.

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Anonymous said...

I'm sure there are plenty of NF tecatos too. I had to note that lest you mindless wannabes feel the need to retailaite against anyone who doesn't blindly follow the sur.

Anonymous said...

(when the hell is Wally getting back!?)

Wally who? I think he left Still No Script and Tijuana Jailer in charge of the asylum??

Anonymous said...

Don't get it twisted homie... It was San Diego... not the San Fernando Valley, and the lame Big Drew did try to imply that ALL Brothers are hypes!
I got an article on homie from SD, his last name is Leon... and I seen that CourtTV thing you're talking about, and it's true that some do shoot up... but please believe that it's not something looked at as a good thing by the rest of the fella's!

Anonymous said...

Here's the article on Homie you thought was from the SFV...

http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=news&Story_ID=05209

On the Reuters site, they had pictures, but I think the link timed out.

Anonymous said...

65 Hits and counting ..... Wally, you should go rafting more often. ;-)

Anonymous said...

Don't get it twisted homie... It was San Diego... not the San Fernando Valley, and the lame Big Drew did try to imply that ALL Brothers are hypes!
I got an article on homie from SD, his last name is Leon... and I seen that CourtTV thing you're talking about, and it's true that some do shoot up... but please believe that it's not something looked at as a good thing by the rest of the fella's!

I figure its looked down on, but they do have a gang of fuck ups on both sides (M/NF)getting high on street tax dollars AND STILL GETTING PROMOTED.

Anonymous said...

IN FAIRNESS, you shouldn't use the word HIT without qualifying the meaning of the word.

Remember, you are on a site that is sensitive to certain phraseology!!

In the world of a TERRORIST, there is a disproportionate amount of EVIL to good in the planning, setting up and carrying out a gang HIT.

How's that for a LOADED sentence, gentlemen.

Anonymous said...

You people better watch it. The Gay Guy will be visiting you soon.

KMA

Anonymous said...

It is kind of funny reading these debates on La eMe being either a love fest or a preditory organization. I mean it is a Gang and thus the later being more likely. I have been in the SHU, with all the fella's and let me tell you it aint easy. You think that you can just D.O. and it will all be cool? Well lets just take a look at that idea. You understand that the CDC has only one real PC yard. That is PHU in Corcoran. There are about a couple dozen people on that yard, so it is not likely you will get to that one. You do have options like Folsom A yard. But if you was really moving and shaking chances are you have people that put you on thier enemy list. So that is out. Same goes with Mule Creek. So chances are you are going to have to go to a half and half yard. Like Tahachapi 4b or what ever one they have set up at the moment for Dropouts. These yard change over all the time and you get folks that should not be there. THey have what is called a 90 day rule. Meaning you have 90 days to GET OFF!! If not you are in the hat anyhow. With all the people that have chosen to drop out you will not get to one of those yards for a while anyway. You will end up in a prerelease SHU yard. This has people that have beat there SHU program on the princable that they are not really a Validated Gang member. You most likely will get moved on. You know you got family back in the hood right? well the guys will not be too happy with them. So do you think CDC is going to get them out of town? No... Unless you are testifying for the FEDS this is not going to happen.Even then only your imediate family (wife and kids). So if you know someone who is looking for a way out. The only real option is to do your time get out and then get out of So-Cal. As long as you aint ratted on no one you should, and should is a pretty weak word, be OK. So when Leo Duarte comes at you and says "Hey you want to come out of the rain" think long and hard. You made a choice and a blood oath. Looks like you are screwed.
I don't think the Christain thing will work either, we have had that discussion on this site. But those guys that went that route must have something special going on, because it is not mainline shit. You might move to another area in LA, but folks have tried that one and come up short.

Anonymous said...

"THey have what is called a 90 day rule. Meaning you have 90 days to GET OFF!! "

do you have to stab someone or will a beating suffice

Anonymous said...

Most the folks do not want to actualy catch another case, so they sometimes just use a sissy knife ( razor at the end of a tooth brush) But you are suposed to try and kill any rat you can. It is just the way it is. I have been to other states prison and there a beating would sufice. But not in CDC, you are suposed kill if given the opertunity.

Anonymous said...

What percent of people get away with sticking somebody? Is it a given you'll be popped for this and catch another strike?

StillNoScript said...

KMA,

I thank you for your service as a peace officer. If there's someone in my front yard waving a machete around, I'm comforted knowing I live in a country where I can make a phone call and police will come to help me.

But if your going to resort to using words like 'evil' when describing criminal sub-groups, don't be surprised when your reminded that the very 'evil' gangs commit has been commited by statehoods worldwide throughout history in order to establish their states' territory, and this nation is no exception.

Anonymous said...

You know that is a good question, I remember stabbing a guy on the yard in Palm Hall Chino, back then you had a pretty good chance of only getting a 115 and a SHU term. I know I sat in Cypress Seg for about a year waiting to see if the DA would pick up the case. THey didn't and I went on my marry way to Tahachapi SHU then to Corcoran then on to the Bay. With a few runs down for court, we used to call friends down for court on anything, you could subena them and poof, next thing you know you are on the first thing smoking to LA County. I think they found a way to stop that.

Anonymous said...

I have to also agree with that last poster who talked about how governments have used the same methods to gain power, like our wonderfull president lying about reasons to go to war, killing a couple thosand young men in Iraq. I mean anyone that can not see the simlariteis is blinded by missguided loyalty, sound familiar?

StillNoScript said...

" IN FAIRNESS, you shouldn't use the word HIT without qualifying the meaning of the word.

Remember, you are on a site that is sensitive to certain phraseology!!

In the world of a TERRORIST, there is a disproportionate amount of EVIL to good in the planning, setting up and carrying out a gang HIT.

How's that for a LOADED sentence, gentlemen." -Anonymous


Good work, KMA; I mean...Anonymous.

Anonymous said...

Wow, talk about creating excuses for criminals.

Anonymous said...

I have to also agree with that last poster who talked about how governments have used the same methods to gain power, like our wonderfull president lying about reasons to go to war, killing a couple thosand young men in Iraq. I mean anyone that can not see the simlariteis is blinded by missguided loyalty, sound familiar?

Good job, Script Man, I mean Anonymous.

KMA

Anonymous said...

Hey wait a minute that was Palm Hall Not Script man or what ever. I mean it might seem a little simplistic,but real?

Anonymous said...

And I was not trying to make excusses. It is just a way of looking at things. It is not out of the realm to equate government to organized crime. You may not totaly agree and that is your right. I have to say kick backs 900 dollar coffee machines,9 bil missing in Iraq. Vice Presidents Company getting all the contracts to rebuild said country with out fair competition for the bids, just a love in for Haliburt? You don't think the CIA wacks people every day in the Name of national security? Why did we fight in vietnam? To hopefully sell more TV sets? You know BinLadin was our man in Afganistan when he was fighting the Soviets? You know we sold him all the ground to air missles he could handle? I could go on, but that is another blogg I am sure.

Anonymous said...

(I could go on, but that is another blogg I am sure.)

Thank you. I was wondering where we were all going. Who's steering this car? :--)

TijuanaJailer said...

Here are some interesting articles from the last few days about more of America's misguided souls (I had to get my licks in):

Associated Press:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/terror/20050801-0954-gangarrests.html

San Diego Union-Tribune
July 28, 2005:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20050728/news_7m28raz.html

Peace .........

Tijuana Jailer

Anonymous said...

This isn't the blog for Iraq surely, but to tie it in, I have to wonder how long before the farmers figure out that if barefooted insurgents with AK's can hold their own against the US military (and last superpower), it wouldn't be too far fetched to believe the NF or greenlighters can hold their own against the superpower of prison gangs (EME) and possibly even win.
As for governments being bad, I worry more about the FEDS reading this blog and fucking with me than I do surenos.

Anonymous said...

Viva La Revolucion and Power To The People !!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Wally -- There won't be any posting until August 3 ---

I haven't seen this much action since Ali-Frazier

Anonymous said...

[I haven't seen this much action since Ali-Frazier]

Down goes Frazier.
Down goes Frazier.

--- Howard Cosell

Anonymous said...

what is this ? streetgangs dot.com?
you mean DeLaHoya and Chavez!
knock him out Oscar!

Anonymous said...

Whats the big deal? I buy Shu's off the Bay all the time. Ebay that is.
Lighten up folks.
Here's something to think about...
"If the opposite of Pro is Con does that mean the opposite of Progress is Congress?"....George Carlin

Anonymous said...

Down goes KMA
Down goes StillNoScript

Anonymous said...

Sorry guys but I had to share this one:
An Asian man was trying to exchange yen for dollars. He asked the American bank teller, "Why it change ? Yestoday I get two hunant dollar fo yen. Today I get hunant eighty."

The bank teller replies, "Fluctuations."

The Asian man says, "Fluc you white guys too!"

Anonymous said...

That reminds me, is there still a green light on the Chino's in the pen?

StillNoScript said...

" Sorry guys but I had to share this one:
An Asian man was trying to exchange yen for dollars. He asked the American bank teller, "Why it change ? Yestoday I get two hunant dollar fo yen. Today I get hunant eighty."

The bank teller replies, "Fluctuations."

The Asian man says, "Fluc you white guys too!"

- Anonymous


Wow, impressive. So far we have on you;

Disgruntled Police Officer

Biggot.

I'm interested to see what else we'll learn.

StillNoScript said...

Anonymous said...

Whats the big deal? I buy Shu's off the Bay all the time. Ebay that is.
Lighten up folks.
Here's something to think about...
"If the opposite of Pro is Con does that mean the opposite of Progress is Congress?"....George Carlin

4:50 PM



Please visit www.georgecarlin.com.

At the top of the page Mr. Carlin has a link debunking all of the conservative rants that have been falsely attributed to him on the internet. Nice try, bozo.

So, now we have:

Disgruntled Police Officer

Biggot

Fraud

Keep it coming. Pretty soon we'll connect the dots and I'm sure we'll see a picture of STACEY KUHN.

Anonymous said...

I think Senor No Script is experiencing some paranoia as you attribute one of my posts to:

Disgruntled Police Officer

Biggot

I'm not a police officer nor am I a bigot (one g). But you are definitely experiencing some technical difficulties.

I thought the other poster's Pro and Con joke was funny so I chimed in with one of my own. If I offended you, I'm sorry.

You seem to be at odds with someone else and are confusing different anonymous comments.

StillNoScript said...

One G in 'BIGOT', got that.

You ought to know.

And congratulations for coming forward and taking credit for a stupid, racist joke.

StillNoScript said...

...or, should I say, "ROGER THAT".

Anonymous said...

(And congratulations for coming forward and taking credit for a stupid, racist joke.)

Like I said, apologies extended. If you can't handle an apology, then that's your problem. Sad to see your escalating paranoia but, once again, that's your prob.

Backtracked your recent comments and it looks like you have an authority issue.

Maybe tomorrow will bring a better day. Good night and ..........
10-4, over and out.

StillNoScript said...

T.J; Thanks for the SD union tribune links that remind us that Bin Ladin is right here in L.A. and he's wearing a Dodger cap.

Do you guys have a mayor yet in San Diego? Didn't California's most conservative city just impeach one it's mayors for doing the touchy touchy at the strip club? What a perve. Nice, conservative city you've got there. Even Clinton knows better than to grope the dancers.

Anyhow, Bin Ladin and the Al Qaueda network thanks President Bush and his Dept. of Homeland Security for the gang busts, and for pumping money into yet another fruitless war thus giving Al Qaueda more time to grow and recruit in the middle east.

StillNoScript said...

I have NO criminal record, I'm in my 12th year at the same company, and pay my taxes.

So, just what are my problems with 'AUTHORITY'?

I know you have a problem with RACIAL TOLERANCE, just by your childish, retarded jokes; I mean, while we're analyzing each other's PROBLEMS.

Anonymous said...

GREAT COMEBACK, NO SCRIPT ....

Down goes Frazier!
Down goes Frazier!

Anonymous said...

This sucks, why is this blogg turning into a news group with a bunch of nuts?
Palm Hall

Anonymous said...

check this one out!......
PACO was in his ESL class,(english second language)and his WHITE teacher told him to use three colors in a sentence....and PACO said..i heard the phone GREEN,
and i PINK it up,and i say YELLOW!!

HOLENBECK RESIDENT!!!
VIVA LA RAZA!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

how bout this one....
WHAT DO YOU CALL A MEXICAN WITH NO
CAR?
JUAQIN!!!

RetiredJoker said...

First of all that was a George Carlin quote from his stand up, you pretentious prick.
And now to offend you more, here's some really good ethnic jokes...ahem.

Whats long and hard on a black man?

2nd grade

What do you get when you cross a mexican and an asian?

A car thief who can't drive.

What do you say to a black dude or a mexican in a 3 piece suit?

Will the defendant please rise.

What do you call 20 samoans and 10 blacks stand on the corner?

Some mo niggas

What do they smear shit on the walls of italian weddings?

To keep the flys of the bride.


Thank you, thank you.
I think I covered most ethnic groups. Anyone else?

TijuanaJailer said...

(T.J; Thanks for the SD union tribune links that remind us that Bin Ladin is right here in L.A. and he's wearing a Dodger cap)

We never know, StillNo. A country as wide open as this one has and will likely always offer so many opportunities for both domestic and foreign incidents, regardless of who the Big Man is in that Oval Office.

Our bad boys certainly pale in comparison to international bad boys but that's o.k. Apples is fine with me.

We indeed have a monumental task in our communities which requires people unity. I believe that it has been proven historically that our police force is only as good as the degree of community involvement. This is where informants are so invaluable.

Some on this board have choice descriptions for this breed of vato: "misplaced loyalty", "rats",
"opportunists", etc. The truth is, the LE community would have a tough time making cases stick without these turncoats. Imagine the chaos that would exist were it not for our intelligence community.

This life is all about choices and when you make a wrong choice our society usually provides an avenue for redemption. This works in all walks of life: from broken marriages to parent-child reconciliations; from forsaking an alcohol or drug habit to turning your back on a life of crime.

Having worked with informants who reverse their field in life, I believe it oftentimes takes more courage to "turn" from a life of crime (regardless of the pitfalls) than to continue "walking that walk".

As we become more and more acquainted with "Gangs, crime, cops and politics in Los Angeles",
I hope we all become richer in our insight to this world.

I will be in a "foreign country" for the next few weeks but will try to keep up with Wally's World from a remote unit. Enjoy yourselves.

Peace ........

Tijuana Jailer

P.S.-Keep the gay guy off my "tail"

Anonymous said...

are the drug cartels still trying to hook up with the local gangs such as MS13, 18th St for drug smuggling or was that beaten down with the breakup of the Arellano Felix cartel?

Tapatio

Anonymous said...

(First of all that was a George Carlin quote from his stand up, you pretentious prick)

NO WONDER THE DUDES GOT "NO SCRIPT"
HE'S LOADING UP FOR YOU NOW, RETIRED JOKER. HE'S ALREADY RUN A FEW OFF THE BOARD. CUIDADO, HOMIE.

Anonymous said...

those jokes are stupid, and they gay guy was right some of these comments are gay!

Anonymous said...

what was that about the green light on the asians, who do they ride with in the joint?

RetiredJoker said...

Its all good in the neighborhood, holmes. ( and yes it is holmes, not homes) just in case Script tries to correct me, Ask me about it and I can tell you the history of that word and why mexicans and blacks use the word.
Calling someone "Bozo" on a board before checking your facts is truly ignorant. Then again is ignorance was a crime, No script would be a mass murderer.
Man, this is fun. You guys remember when you were kids on the schoolyard and would take turns baggin on each other. Or referred to as Capping (not the shooting kind!) Some even call it the dozens.
I challange Script to a cap session for lunch money!

RetiredJoker said...

I know a lot of asians kick it with the chicanos and some even speak with same mannerisms. I don't even how many asian brothers I know named "Chino" but its alot. For the most part they kick it by themselves with small numbers probably kicking up some form on protection in the pintas. Espcially Vietnamese gangs, though I believe there was some tension with viet and San Gabriel valley gangs.
If you are not aware, the San Gabriel valley has lots of Asian gangs. One of the biggest Viet gangs is TRG. Tiny Rascal Gang.
But for the most part they prey on their own. Specializing in home invasion and extorting protection money from local store owners. Most triads (chinese gangs) work undercover and don't make themselves seen. Viet gangs are norotious for their propensity for violence.
In Long Beach you will see lots of Cambodian gangs who lean toward the black culture. There big Cambodian Crip gangs in the LBC.
Don't fake on them because they are small, they have lots of heart and quick to pull the trigger. All in all, they are good peoples, very loyal.

Anonymous said...

so whats the history of "Holmes" enlighten us?

RetiredJoker said...

hahaha...ok.
Its quite simple, it goes back to Sherlock Holmes and his close assoicate Watson. Both were very close and watson referred to his close friend by his last name. Holmes.
"How did you figure it out, Holmes"?
"Elemantary my dear watson"
Sound corny but thats the way it goes. Holmes sounds a lot better than Watson, right? Imagine all the homies on the streets calling each other Watson!

Anonymous said...

"Sound corny but thats the way it goes".

"Oh, Cisco (see-sko)"!

"Oh, Pancho!!


Retired Joker had the huevos rancheros to shoot his shot.
Horale homes.

Anonymous said...

is that for real? so where does the term "homeboy" come from?

RetiredJoker said...

Homeboy, Homie, Home Skillet, Homeslice... all are deritive from the root of the word of Holmes.
Holmes came first, then Homeboy, then homie, so on and so forth. Just call me your source for uselse trivial ghetto knowledge as passed down from generations or old school veteranos who were stoned and some really good mota and had way too much time on their hands.

RetiredJoker said...

Excuse the fat fingering on the spelling on the last post. The boss was around and I had to post it quick! :o)

Anonymous said...

I think the next question to Retired Joker along the Home Boy viaje is "where" did this Holmes (aka: Homes, Homie, Home Town, Home Squeeze, etc.) originate?

This is interesting. I learned on this board where "farmero" (derrogatory NF label) originated and now I'm hearing/reading about "homie".

Does that mean that the Holmes X13 Gang is a-brewing and that maybe their Watson Street neighbors need to be looked at? (smile)

Great stuff, Joker. True or not, it sounds good. I'm in no position to dispute absent any other viable input.

Chaaaaa, baby! There's a good one. Where did "Chaaa" originate?

East L.A. Boy

Anonymous said...

Its making me misty to see everyone playing together so well...orale!
what about the prefixes to placasos that have gone away...i remember Big Time Varrio this or grandes tiempos varrio that. Didn't other gangs besides pacas claim latin times?
who remembers C/S (Con Safos)?
any more ?

Anonymous said...

ok where and why did the syle of dress for homeboys come about like khakis and t shirts

Don Quixote said...

Hey this reminds me of school when the teacher had to leave the class for an emergency and the whole room starts yelling obcenities, throwing spitballs and generally being bad, hurry back Wally.
And on that note for the sake of fairness our Anglo brothers seem to have been left out of the horrible racial jokes! I'll try to rectify that. "a very anal retentive gavacho stuck on the #5 freeway eastside LA parks his beemer and is having a spritzer in a local bar.He is sitting by himself at the end of the bar and talking very loud into his own hand, the other patrons after a short while call over the bartender. "Hey Cuco! You better tell that huero baboso to stop talking to himself so loud he's getting on everyone's nerves. Cuco goes over to the gaby and says hey man whats goin on with the platicando? The gavacho replies, "Oh pardon me I know it seems strange but due to the fact that I'm on my cell so much I had the cellphone implanted into the palm of my hand, please buy everyone a drink on me, and by the way where is your restroom? The bartender answers "Our bathroom is really fucked up now and isn't in service(typical!) but if you go out the back door and accross the alley there's a portable toilet you can use but be carefull this is a bad neighborhood! Cuco gets back to work and after about 45 minutes someone asks"hey what happened to the gavacho who was was platicando solo? The bartender Cuco says "sonafabitch I better check on him and he goes out back in the alley and immediately sees a trail of toilet paper leading to the portapotty. As he gets closer he notices the huero on his knees on the toilet and a huge roll of toilet paper stuffed up his ass. "Mother Fucker what happened man,I told you this was a bad neighborhood, let me help you up". The gavacho panics and yells back "don't touch me I'm receiving a "Fax".

Anonymous said...

and why the hairnets in the 80's?

Anonymous said...

Asian's and a green light. I remember when I was in the pen, there was a green light on all Chino's. Something to do with something that happened in LA or Orange County Jail. I know they even took them off the yard in B Fac. New Folsom. put them all on the C-Yard. I am begening to wonder if anyone in this Blogg has done any time or at least if in LE, or something. I have been in almost every level four yard that was up and running in the eighties and early nineties. Yet I ask simple questions and once and I while I get some way out history of La eMe but it seems like something you could read in any LE text. Ok Ok, so Joe Moregan was this and Chy was that. What about say Veneno from Pamona ratting on everyone , or what is up with Quate from La Rana and his bid to run things?
Palm Hall

Anonymous said...

"ok where and why did the syle of dress for homeboys come about like khakis and t shirts"

Blame it on Al's Army and Navy store on Whittier Blvd. [I don't think it's there anymore]. We all used to buy our "durable" clothes there!

East L.A. Boy

Anonymous said...

Palm Hall --- Until someone steps up to the plate, it looks like you're the man on current events. Raise your right hand and testify, brother.

Anonymous said...

"ok where and why did the syle of dress for homeboys come about like khakis and t shirts"

Alright, homes, here goes. And I don't want anyone getting on my ass for being long-winded.

This is an article from the L.A. Herald Examiner dated Thursday, June 15, 1978. It is front page of the Fashion Section!

There's a youngster nicknamed "Payaso" standing in front of a mural (VNE, I think) wearing "draped khaki's, white
T-shirt and stretch belt".

Another homie wearing a pair of "Wino's" (canvas boat shoes) with neighborhood inscription: Casper VNE.

A third vato named Steve Delgado, known as "Flaco" showing "barrio homeboy tattoo and red (red?) bandana".

---- by KAREN ANDERSON
Herald Examiner Fashion Editor

Text: IT'S THE STYLE OF THE BARRIO. ETHNIC. TRADITIONAL. BARATO. CHOLO IS FASHION.

Cholo.
A new fur? A kind of Perrier? A slick disco step? Can you get it at Gucci?
Style is a matter of perspective and where you live seems to have a lot to do with it. Consider the definition of style by those who inhabit the Emerald City, also known as Beverly Hills. What appears to be a trend of international importance there, may in fact be confined to six blocks of exclusive shopping.
Back in the barrios of East Los Angeles, style is another story. Cholo is traditional, not seasonal.
Which is one reason why a few young inhabitants of the county housing project called Estrada Courts are on this Saturday morning kicked back on the grass, considering what cholo means.
In the thick silence of concentration, what occurs is like looking into a mirror for the first time. How do you define yourself? Nobody asked before.
An East L.A. veterano explained the previous day that the term "Cholo" originally meant a Mexican-Indian. But current connotations signify a dress style which is as traditional in Los Angeles barrios as refried beans.
But verbal definitions do not come easy in the barrio. Visual description -- graffiti on a fence, a mural on a wall -- is the common communication.
So we sit on the grass trying to form words around a dressing tradition which has been passed down unconsciously from grandfather to father to son.
"You'll get all kinds of answers," says Doug Sanicola, the young manager of Al's Army & Navy store which, according to his estimates, clothes 65 to 75 percent of all cholos and would-be cholos in East L.A.
"Some people will say it's somebody who carries a knife, some will say it's an age group. I think it's a certain style of dress.
The 73-year old Al's on Whittier Boulevard is to East L.A. what Giorgio is to Rodeo Drive. "I have 45-year old men come in who tell me they were customers as kids," adds Sanicola. One wall of the store is devoted to khaki pants in waist sizes from 26 to 50 - a basic of the Cholo wardrobe.
Cholos who want the pants to drape over the shoes and the oversize-look everywhere else buy from two to six sizes larger than their waist. "I have a guy who comes in every three months and buys three pairs of khakis in a 46 and he's a 34 waist," Sanicola says.
"We went for khaki in a big way long before the kids in this generation wore it," recalls Joe Santos, who was a young man during the zoot suit era in the '50's (sic? I think he meant 40's). Santos relates the love of the khaki color to the enthusiasm of Chicanos toward the World War II effort. "Back then, we all wanted to pack and go."
Also back then, Santos remembers young men from Latin neighborhoods
who carefully dyed their pure silk underwear pastel colors with a 25-cent package of Rit. They bought wing tip shoes for $30 at Rogers Independent Shoe Store on Broadway and had their zoot suits tailored at Thomas the Tailor or Murray's on Third and Main.
"The only time we weren't dressed was when we were working," says Santos, who contrasts the "uptown" look of the '40's Mexican-American male with today's casual Cholo style.
It was a matter of swamping out trucks or working in the produce market cutting celery to save for a zoot suit which cost from $40 to $60 for the pants and $75 to $100 for the coat.
The zoot suit Santos remembers with special fondness was robin's egg blue which draped carefully over his wing tips.
Just when current Cholos adopted the whiter-than-snow T-shirt, bandana, black hat style to go with their khakis is anybody's guess..........

(This article is continued on the following post)

Anonymous said...

(Cholo Post -- Continued):

......"As the morning sun hits the two-story murals on the walls of Estrada Courts, the young men of the Varrio Nuevo neighborhood gather in the shade of the Aztec wall to kibbitz on the The Great Cholo Picture for the newspaper.
Budweiser replaces morning orange juice. "Hey, 'homes,'" greets each newcomer who saunters by in a white T-shirt, his Budweiser accessory dangling from an arm. "Hey, Payaso, put on the dark glasses. Makes you look like a real killer," yells another homeboy who perceives this picture-taking session to be like holding a cattle call at central casting. If they want a Cholo, they get a Cholo, man.
More impomptu auditions take place. Steve Delgado, the Varrio Nuevo gang worker, takes off his shirt to display his tattoo. "VNE" below "Steve" cut just under the right shoulder blade. The "VNE" stands for Varrio Nuevo Estrada.
It also stands for the basic barrio I.D. which is inscribed on the hand, arm or back of every homeboy in every East L.A. neighborhood from Marianna Mara through Little Valley and Arizona Mara, up the hill to Geraghty-Loma Mara to Varrio Nuevo. The tattoo signifies a sense of place and of macho, one symbol of the rite of passage into young manhood for the Chicano male.
"Give me the headband," commands Steve, who ties it around his head like Sinbad the Sailor. "When do we wear these? When we go out on gang wars," he snarls in his best Steve McQueen imitation.
Killing time between photo set-ups, a question is put to the group:
"Ever heard of Rodeo Drive?"
Silence.
"Dior?" "Halston?" "Bill Blass?" "Gucci?"
Confusion.
Then one hopeful voice, "Are they names for other gangs or something?"

(End of article. Hope I didn't bore anyone -- later.)

East L.A. Boy

Anonymous said...

Your right. Long article but enjoyable. Thanks, East Los.

Anonymous said...

Those were the days that cholos dressed good, not like the sloppy shit they wear today. They look like pinche rappers. What a disgrace to the colos/pachucos of yesteryear.

Anonymous said...

I meant tcholos and pachucos, I'm beginning to spell like some of these pendejos in here, Oldtimer

Anonymous said...

That's my last beer, cholos and pachucos!

Anonymous said...

Retired Joker isn't so retired. He had all you guys going with his Watson and Holmes thing.... Anyway, the truth is, and it goes back to the late 60's. A gang in Los Angeles, not Crip, not Bloods but a black gang that formed to protect themselves against the marauding white boys of the time; Mike Davis talks about these feuds in his book "City Of Quartz." Anyway, they were from an area on Home Street and were referred to as the "Home Boys" The street is still there although I am not sure about the legacy of that particular gang.

Anonymous said...

WHEN YOU USE THE TERM HOMEBOY,IT MEANS HE IS A GUY FROM YOUR HOMETOWN! YOUR BOY FROM BACK HOME! THEN THE THE WORD WAS USED LOOSELY,NOW BASICALLY YOU CAN CALL ANYONE HOMEBOY! AND IT DONT MEAN A THING!!!!

Anonymous said...

Yeah....that too, homey!

Anonymous said...

Hey dude.... Turn off the caps and relax, Wally is on his way home and he is gonna be pissed.

StillNoScript said...

Don Quixote said...

Hey this reminds me of school when the teacher had to leave the class for an emergency and the whole room starts yelling obcenities, throwing spitballs and generally being bad, hurry back Wally.


I couldn't agree more.

And I apologize to those I was arguing with yesterday.

I made a comment about a month back telling some gang members to chill out on their flaming war in here, and here I was resorting to the same bullshit. This blog's above that.

135 comments, on NO TOPIC! (Other than Wally kayaking...but we didnt' exactly discuss where the roughest rapids were)

StillNoScript said...

Retired Joker,

No thanks on the cap session, you win.

And, corrected on the George Carlin. I do know there's a lot of fake shit attributed to him on the web and he posts it on his site, but if he said the joke about 'congress', he said it.

I think racial jokes are below this blog, but if some feel the need to use them for a quick laugh for other ignorant people, then knock yourself out. But I'm not here to fight with anyone. I'm just an observer.

Hope to learn more, from all of you.

Peace.

"NO SCRIPT" - meaning, I'm an aspiring Screenplay writer who still hasn't completed a screen play yet. But I'm getting close to finishing my first, and then I'll change my tag. :)

Anonymous said...

Palm Hall...
Seems not too many know the people you speak of... but I do, and I think it would be wise to keep homies name out your mouth... or in this case, off your finger tips! What did he do to you that you feel the need to speak on him? You sound like a comadre... not the traits of someone who been on a level 4 yard anywhere. You should know better... in what way would you benefit from speaking his name, Mr. Anonymous Palm Hall? You're nobody ese!

RetiredJoker said...

Peace Accepted, Script.
Good look shopping around your scrips in a town that greenlights (a hollywood term, not killing someone!) Pootie Tang but kills 1000's of good scripts a day.
To answer a few questions:
What did they wear hairnets in the 80's?
The quick answer was we did it to train our hair to comb straight back. Nowadays the shaved head look is so popular but back in the day, the pompador was the look and most of the cholos has the combed back look. To keep their hair going back they would wear the hairnet, mostly while they slept. Same thing also when they first try to comb their hair back, you had to "train" your hair first and would need to wear a hairnet for a week or two.
As far as the khacki look, the preferred pant of the cholo look were Ben Davis, Dickies were considered the poor man cholo look.
The history of work pants go back to youth detention camps were lots of labor duty was performed the inmates were given work pants and then look was taken the streets.

Anonymous said...

Retired Joker isn't so retired. He had all you guys going with his Watson and Holmes thing.... Anyway, the truth is, and it goes back to the late 60's.

Sorry but I have an old Paso Robles flick from 1962 when I was in CYA and the home boy dedicating it to me signs it, "Tu Home Boy", Lito. I can't say when we first started using it but we were youngsters for sure and I was about 15 then.

RetiredJoker said...

I wasn't kidding, I'm telling you it goes back to Sherlock Holmes. I bet the word can be traced back to the 40's when Zoot Suiters first started using it and the book sherlock holmes has been around since the 1800's. Not only have some Veterano's told me this but there was also a professor of chicano studies on a TV show called Home Turf who was discussing the barrio life and some historical facts. So in this case, this Joker isn't joking. :o)

Anonymous said...

so now everybody wears white t shirts all the rappers wear it the black folks and they are taking credit for atrting that, what is the deal with that?

Anonymous said...

How about the "bouncing" low riders in those rap videos? Is that a 'black thing' too?

Anonymous said...

Its a little know fact carhopping was started in Oakland by black folks. The mexicans from LA seen this and killed the black car club doing the hopping so mexicans could take credit for lowriding first. I heard this from the big homie handlebar from bicycle street gang.

RetiredJoker said...

Lowriding definitely started with Chincanos' dating back to the 40's with Pachuco's and zoot suiters fixing up thier bombs. Old Chevy Fleetwoods or Fleetlines as we referred to them. Blacks got it from mexicans in the 70' and 80's with the 64 impalas and they even started wearing pendltetons and flannels just like cholos. If you ever seen old school black gangsters, they had the same look as cholos. Khacki's and flannels.
"Hopping" with hydraulics has been around for a long time,long before gangster rap popularized it. Hell, lowering cars has been around for over 50 years. Its much more sophisticated now, but back in the day we used to just cut the springs or some would take the springs out all together. Us farmeros would lower our chevys so it was easier to pick up the lettuce as we drove by listening to Brenton Wood. ;o)

Anonymous said...

Joker,
I was just fucking around earlier seeing who I could bait. You know , this gang shit regarding the differences between north and south feeds on itself. I remember growing up all the chicanos would have three creases down the back of their shirts and would wear their pants high. It wasn't until the 90's that northerners would only crease their shirts with two in the back and the surenos did three. Also it was about this time nortenos identified themselves in YA by sagging and the surenos wore their pants high. Shit back then you had to go to the pinta to know what norte/sur was about. Now everyone thinks they know dresses accordingly and never even been anywhere.

Who remembers taking the string out of the sides of your state issue tramaos to leave a white line along the side? I recall all the homies trying to outdo each other baby cuffs too. damn those are some good memories.

Anonymous said...

Lets not forget the beige or dark blue Levi's courdouroy(sp) with the winos.

Anonymous said...

Orale' Joker, you are definitely a firme guy who seems to know his pedo. That lowriding thing reminds me of back in the day, I got a 60 Chevy Impala and my friend Felix' pops heated the springs. Then I sprayed the windows with that stuff you got at Pep Boy's it was called "liquid smoke" The car had old school cragars and just for effect I put a couple of firme primer spots, small ones so it looked like I got shot at while cruising down 24th St. in Northtown Cuca...what you know 'bout that.
respecto :>{()

StillNoScript said...

Joker, I actually LIKED Pooty Tang!

I know what your saying, though.

The type of film I'm sure plenty of us in here would like to see certainly isn't going to be produced by any of the big studios for a long time. I think the Edward J. Olmos situation sealed the deal on that; Not to mention that Hollywood is only interested in making films for 14 year olds today.

I'm always looking to the independent scene for films similar to AMERICAN ME, BOULEVARD NIGHTS, or MI VIDA LOCA, but all that's really out there are low budget, action flicks where the acting is horrible. I'm sure some of you have seen these on the shelves at Blockbuster.

Not to diss those that made these films; I commend them for trying. They may very well be Chicanos who have aspirations to be filmmakers, and so far this is the best they can do.

But I don't think we're going to see anything good again till at least an indy company with some good producers and a bankroll (i.e. Lion's Gate, etc.) gets behind one of these projects.

Good to see the blog has gotten back to what it's good for; People sharing their experiences for others to learn a thing or to.

I'm enjoying the stories about the lowriders and dress styles from the past and up to today. Certainly makes me think of some old friends in high school who were close to this life.

Looks like we got some good people in here who know how to get this thing back on track when it de-rails!

Thanks to all of you.

Anonymous said...

What about the cholas with those black rubber bracelet things that they would tie to their middle finger from the wrist?

Oh, by the way, whats with the cholas removing their eyebrows and painting on fake ones with a Sharpie? Who the hell likes that look?

Anonymous said...

Heyyyy, easy on the lechuga jokes.
We don't need our northern neighbors coming down on us. I always wondered in Junior High and High School how the teenagers could afford such beautiful fixed up rides (1958 thru 1963 were my Jr. High thru High School years) but were dirt poor! My mom said they were probably selling dope but she was mostly incorrect. These guys squirreled away their money, mom and dad would pitch in and the Boulevard (Whittier Boulevard in East L.A.) was the place to be on the weekends. If you mistakenly drove past Eastern (or was it Ford?) on the Boulevard on a weekend night, you were STUCK !! Once you hit Indiana (where the Golden Gate theater was located) then you could turn and head north or southbound. Even the side streets would be packed and the E.L.A. Sheriffs would be pissed off because they could not pursue a wanted gang member or other violator because they too were STUCK !*&@#!! There would be carloads of fine "tenderloins" looking to meet guys and the cholos would do the Injun thing (chins jutting upward in that defiant glare) until a Car Club member said or did something to offend and then the shit would hit the fan. The Chevy Boys, 486 Men, The Gestapos and other car clubs often clashed with the cholos. Many car club members were of the same mind set as gang members only they dressed better. We called them "continentals". Whittier Blvd. contained a melting pot of Chicanos. I was a nerdy "brain" at that time and some of my class members got STUCK on a weekend night and we had the time of our life.

Anonymous said...

Heyyyy, easy on the lechuga jokes.
We don't need our northern neighbors coming down on us. I always wondered in Junior High and High School how the teenagers could afford such beautiful fixed up rides (1958 thru 1963 were my Jr. High thru High School years) but were dirt poor! My mom said they were probably selling dope but she was mostly incorrect. These guys squirreled away their money, mom and dad would pitch in and the Boulevard (Whittier Boulevard in East L.A.) was the place to be on the weekends. If you mistakenly drove past Eastern (or was it Ford?) on the Boulevard on a weekend night, you were STUCK !! Once you hit Indiana (where the Golden Gate theater was located) then you could turn and head north or southbound. Even the side streets would be packed and the E.L.A. Sheriffs would be pissed off because they could not pursue a wanted gang member or other violator because they too were STUCK !*&@#!! There would be carloads of fine "tenderloins" looking to meet guys and the cholos would do the Injun thing (chins jutting upward in that defiant glare) until a Car Club member said or did something to offend and then the shit would hit the fan. The Chevy Boys, 486 Men, The Gestapos and other car clubs often clashed with the cholos. Many car club members were of the same mind set as gang members only they dressed better. We called them "continentals". Whittier Blvd. contained a melting pot of Chicanos. I was a nerdy "brain" at that time and some of my class members got STUCK on a weekend night and we had the time of our life.

Anonymous said...

Back in '69 while in TS I worked the laundry room. We got these fine denims with the orange thread on the side. Back in the day you got your issue once or twice a week. When we got those new bonaroos in, I was trading 'em for camels. A lot of commerce went on with the laundry and the kitchen. Anybody remember those old school "kick outs" the brown dress shoes that looked like Stacy's. Put a piece of plastic in the toe to keep 'em from breaking down?

StillNoScript said...

Anonymous said...

What about the cholas with those black rubber bracelet things that they would tie to their middle finger from the wrist?

Oh, by the way, whats with the cholas removing their eyebrows and painting on fake ones with a Sharpie? Who the hell likes that look?


The eyebrows do seem to be unique to femage gang members; But women everwhere are obsessed with hair removal. I'm guessing the eyebrow thing has something to do with that.

And the black bracelets? Reminds me of the white girls I grew up with in the '80s.

Then of course, like every trend in the burbs, along came the rumors that every bracelet she wears represents one guy that she had ... with.

Did people say that about cholas who wore the bracelets too? Lol. You'd have to have balls.

RetiredJoker said...

Script, I'll take it back even a lil bit farther with gangster flicks like the Warriors, The Wanderers and Lords of Flatbush, to a lesser extent The Outsiders. (Remember the movie "Zuit Suit" with Olmos about the Sleepy Lagoon murders.)I loved those films when I was a kid, those glamorized the street gang life but not necessarily in a negative way. Those films showed neighborhood pride and loyalty to your friends.
Just like everything else though, our society now needs things to be hard and dark,black or white. No such thing as grey anymore.
As for the cholas, I can remember some of the hard core broads use to put Razor Blades in their hair! So when they threw down it would discourage any other chick from pulling hair! I hope they remembered to take them out before shampooing!!

Orale! Baby Cuffs, holmes. I remember in Juvie Hall we would crease our pants with a comb, I'm sure you vatos remember that. I agree, I grew up around San Jose and remember the 2 creases. I even recall Nortenos' putting the badana in our left back pocket and sureno's in their back pockets.
Yea, its true, I didn't even hear about the north/south blue/red stuff on streets in the mid 80's. I can recall stories of veteranos who told me in the 70's they would wear all kinds of different color bandanas. In those days, one gang would sport one color so on and so forth. Some would wear brown bandana for brown pride. Once the NF/EMe stuff spilled to the street, thats when the whole red/blue thing really started creating dividing lines.
To draw it all together and thats when crusing the boulvard started dying out when too many vatos were getting blasted on a Saturday or in some places, Sunday night. Cops too notice and started throwing up "No Cruising Zones" and the lowrider lifestyle started dying fast.
"Oh, King and Story on a sunday night, How I miss thee."

Anonymous said...

...and don't forget the feathers with a clip on the end. I was about ten and used to think I was all chingon wearing suspenders and a clip on my pocket with a red, white, and green feather hanging from it.
oh, yeah in YA the homeboys from up north considered the left hand side ours and the surenos the right. we would wear our panos on the left hand side. anyone know why that is? I was told why but it must have not stuck.

RetiredJoker said...

Feathers with a clip on the end?? Hmmmm, sounds like the roach clips I used!!! :o)

Anonymous said...

I had a few folders in elementary school that had the pachuco spirit from Zoot Suit (olmos) on them. One had him inthe black and red suit, the other had the three rucas around the jukebox.
The best part of the Movie though was when Henry Reyna comes home and the party begins.
"antes se bailaba el swing,
el boogie woo y jitterbug pero
todo eso ya torico
y esto es lo que sucedio
pachucos bailen , bailen cumbias
bailen las rumbas y las sambas
bailen huaracha sabroson
esto es los que sucedio
pachucos bailen bailen
shaaaaaaaaahahahaha!"

StillNoScript said...

I love, "The Warriors".

And, I agree that movies about gangs should focus more on the positive instead of the negative. However, I think the characters and the scenery have to be authentic. That's where AMERICAN ME and MI VIDA LOCA kicked ass. But, yes, those films dont' leave much as far as optimism goes.

Then again, BLOOD IN BLOOD OUT, BOUND BY HONOR did have that positive story, but the acting is obviously a bit over the top.

Realism in movies is very important to me. Trying to find a way to combine the realism with a positive message is the tricky part; Probably because reality isn't so positive. But a film can be whatever it wants. It takes good producers, directors, writers, actors, consultants, etc. to pull it off. Hopefully we'll see it one day.

And, I have a friend in San Jose who tells me King and Story still jumps off on Sunday afternoons, but the cops clear it out around sun down. San Jose hasn't lost it's lowriding culture, and never will.

StillNoScript said...

160 comments! Come on, let's at least get one good kayaking story in for Wally....

RetiredJoker said...

Trust me, San Jose has lost alot. They still may be cruisin, but in the 80's and early 90's it was off the hook. So many fine ladies and nice rides. Cruisin on Cinco De Mayo was crazy. Started at noon until the cops broke it up in the 1 or 2 Am.
Started on Santa Clara Street near downtown, then right on King all the way down to Story. Ah, the good ol' days.
Bound by Honor is such a joke.
Check this out, my old lady went to school with Seidy Lopez who played Mousie in Mi Vida Loca. They're still friends but haven't seen her in quite long time but she is still fine!
They both went to Hollywood High.
Oh, Mousie from Echo Park, lets play Mickey and Minnie!!! ;o)

Anonymous said...

"Let's go surfing now, everybody's learning how .......... let's go
a-kayaking with me ......"

Don Quixote said...

Ok here is some truth about us old pachucos or as they used to say the vatos. I came from the eastside of LA in the 50's 60's but knew people from all over the area El Monte, Pasadena, San Fer, Watts, Etc. and we all dressed and had ranflas that were the same, it was our culture. The reason for the old Lowriders all fine an beautiful (no Studebakers, or Cadillacs, or Plymouths,just "Chevey's!")and the reason for the Khaki's,or County's or Gray Khaki's or Frisco Jeans, was basically because we were poor and couldn't afford any better, shit most families had 8 or 10 kids in those days. But the culture of the Chicano or Mexicano was and is that whatever you have you make the best of it, you make even poor shit an art form, you transform the ordinary into something unique and beautiful. We vatos all dressed firme in those days, no fucking hair nets, tennis shoes, baseball hats, raggedy ass wrinkled clothes. NO! we bought our Khakis for example, long,then we hemmed them up neat, just so they broke the crease over your shoes, which by the way were either "Florshiems" or "Stacy Adams French Toes" and shined like a mirror,then we took those Khaki's and sprayed them with spray starch and ironed them over and over until that crease would cut you. (By the way, we never crossed our legs so the crease stayed intact). Our T shirts had to be "Pennys TownCraft" white with the high neck and usually ironed till perfect. Our shirts we wore, and if anybody disagrees or doesn't know this they are falso's, were "Sir Guy" shirts which were beautiful and unusual,and I hear talk about pleats 2 or front or back, caca!, they were ironed with three straight sharp crease's in the back and two razor sharp creas's in the front! We took pride in ourself in those days, face clean as a whistle, hair combed straight back (maybe with the help of an old nylon stocking cap at night only)and shinning with pomade and not "lucky tiger" but with "Yardleys" green pomade. And when we "fell out" to the velote's with the vato's (after dropping a benny and a red chased with White Port-Lemon Juice or maybe some "Silver Satin" and the music was playing some oldies such as "Lovers Island" or "Night Owl" or the "Chantels" and we saw those beautiful Chicana's (who in those days were always bashful,sexy) and we asked them to dance, and OK stop me now before I get into the Twilight Zone! but that was the way it was in my day.

Anonymous said...

Joker,

Whatever happened to that 15 yr old from Horseshoe that blasted the 2 x3's at the Jack in the Box?

Anonymous said...

damn, homie that sounds nice too bad my generation is all about ganster this and gangster that there is no more lovers in the night shit too bad sounds like fun

Anonymous said...

I think a lot of respect was lost with gangsta rap. A lot of these cholos listen to that garbage and want to act like "gangstas", disrespecting anyone and anything.

Anonymous said...

Absolutely. Gangsta rap screwed things up for sure. That was a mayate thing and now the Chicanos are simply copying them. And it ain't only Northern Chicanos acting like mayates either. There are plenty of L.A. Chicanos who do the same. Hell, the South Siders from Florencia, Watts, 155th, Compton, etc. always talked like mayates. "Niggah, please!!"

Don Quixote said...

Ok I admit it I made those "rectal exam" and "farmers selling produce" remarks pero La Sancha started it!

RetiredJoker said...

Senor, You have earned your right to wander down memory lane. Truly in a time that had more innocence than now when being in love with your ruca listening to oldies with your homeboys at the park was a beautiful day.

Last I heard he is going to be tried as an adult for Double Murder. The youngest ever in Santa Clara County. He shot 3 sureno gang members in a Jack in the Crack off Tully Road. I think his name is James Ortega. You may want to Google it and see if there are any updates. He can pretty much expect life in prison and graduating from CYA to the Pinta when he's old enough and his life will now be in the hands of the NF and he will undoubtly be asked to put in work. And who says CYA doesn't rehab our troubled youth??
Man, its more like Gladiator school for the big leagues. Its damn shame when you are only 14 yrs old. He had so much ahead of him. I'm sure all his West Side Homies from Horseshoe are all braggin about him.

Anonymous said...

Bound by Honor was okay. The character of the tecato artist is played by Jesse Borrego. I think thats his name. Anyways the vato is mentioned as an NF sympathizer/ associate in the book " RISE AND FALL OF THE NUESTRA FAMILIA." There are possibly two and definetly one picture of him in the book hugging NF'ers.
Jesse made a movie called veteranos at the home of former NF captain Huerito Gratton. ( I doubt his status as a captain based on every police report of him drug dealing is for tweaker amounts-being a prison gangsta is not all its cracked up to be i guess)
The movie Heartbreaker is firme. it isn't really about gangs but about lowriders, carclubs, and a celebration of the old days when people were about partying and having a grand tiempo instead of killing each other. Damn, how did the african americans and us get to this?

Anonymous said...

So i'm kayaking on the north fork of the american river when I see my doctor doing the same. I try to get some free medical advice so I tell my doctor, " doc you gotta help me."
he says whats wrong?
I tell him that "when I wake up, i make to love to my lady, then get ready for work. I carpool to work with the neighboors wife who gives me a BJ on the way. After working for a while I grab an office girl at break and do her nasty in a mop closet. At lunch I bang my secretary at a hotel real good. Then in the afternoon I take a break with another office girl and we go at it in another mop closet.
Finally I go home, slide the maid a few and then hump my wife again before going to bed"
My doctor says, " damn whats the probblem?"
I tell him, " it hurts when i masturbate"

Who would have thought I'd run into my doctor at the river kayaking huh?

RetiredJoker said...

The low budget movie Veteranos also stars Sir Dyno that used to be from the rap group Darkroom Familia. Sir Dyno got caught up with NF and the rata Robert "Huerito" Gratton. Gratton was a NF member who used Sir Dyno to make cd G.U.N (Generation of United Nortenos). Gratton snitched out everyone and became the subject of the book "Rise and Fall of the Nuestra Familia".
Sir Dyno was never really a true Norteno but got caught up in the mix and is now trying to plead ignorance that the NF backed the project with their cash. He's now doing time.

RetiredJoker said...

Gotta love the internet. Decided to look up Sir Dyno and found this really good article on how this fool had a bright future but then fucked it all up.

http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2003-10-01/news/feature.html

Anonymous said...

(I'm sure all his West Side Homies from Horseshoe are all braggin about him.)

The sad part is that these youngsters are ALL fodder for the "big boys". If the agenda weren't North-South I'm sure it would be something else.

It is good to hear that many do have the "window of opportunity" to change and carry it out.

Others are at that so-called "point of no return" and their lives are doomed.

I read this Ortega kid's story, Joker, and it is very heart breaking for ALL the victims, beginning with the deceased kids, their families to James and his loved ones.

His journey begins ........

KMA

RetiredJoker said...

He's chosen the life so I hope he's ready for it. Dunno how accurate it is, but I heard Ortega (LiL Oso from Horseshoe) was already incarcerated when commited the crime on a weekend pass. Probably locked up at James Ranch or a light Juvie charge.

If you are gonna dress and play the part, you better be ready for the worse.

Sancha said...

No Way! I didn't start nuthin! Don't be bringin me in from the kitchen to your sorry-assed postings...I'm busy!

Anonymous said...

[No Way! I didn't start nuthin! Don't be bringin me in from the kitchen to your sorry-assed postings...I'm busy!]

Yeah, you heard. Gimme another Lemonade, dear.

Anonymous said...

Chigado!! It's going to take another week for Wally to read these comments. If nothing else, it'll give him reading material for the night.

Anonymous said...

i was a lil kid when i used to see my older primos dress the way u older vatos describe it.but as far as music or hip hop changing the way things are nowadays,puro pedo.the reason we cant kik it and cruise on the calles is becouse we'll get our faces blown off by rival gangmembers.it has nothing 2 do wit gangster rap.we,chicanos,fucked it up for ourselves.

Anonymous said...

That was well said...so what do you think the answer is in this day and age?

Anonymous said...

How about getting a job, letting your hair grow out, going to school, not hanging out with the "homies", and basically, respecting la Raza.

That might work!

Anonymous said...

Related article from that multiple gang bust:

http://newsobserver.com/news/story/2651216p-9087992c.html

Anonymous said...

ALSO,

NORTH CAROLINA:
http://newsobserver.com/news/story/2651216p-9087992c.html

WASHINGTON D.C.:
http://www.ftimes.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=28594&TM=5331.481

U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL:
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050801/APN/508010941&cachetime=3&template=dateline

RetiredJoker said...

Make it easy on yourself, go to this website where are those links are. Basically,its a site that links gang news from all 50 states.

http://www.iir.com/nygc/summaries.cfm

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......WE MAKE BLACKS RICH,BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OURSELVES
WE SUPPOSELY HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE...AND WE KEEP OUR OWN SELVES DOWN....WE WOULD RATHER SEE A BLACK
MAN MAKE IT TO THE TOP,THEN A MEXICAN,....FROM BUSINESS TO MOVIES!ETC.....WE ROOT FOR THE BLACKS IN SPORTS,MOVIES AND MUSIC,CLOTHES ETC......MAYBE WE SHOULD ROOT FOR OURSELVES,...
DON'T HATE!!!CONGRADULATE!!!

TAKE PRIDE!!!
RIGHT OUR WRONG QUE VIVA LA RAZA!


HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......WE MAKE BLACKS RICH,BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OURSELVES
WE SUPPOSELY HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE...AND WE KEEP OUR OWN SELVES DOWN....WE WOULD RATHER SEE A BLACK
MAN MAKE IT TO THE TOP,THEN A MEXICAN,....FROM BUSINESS TO MOVIES!ETC.....WE ROOT FOR THE BLACKS IN SPORTS,MOVIES AND MUSIC,CLOTHES ETC......MAYBE WE SHOULD ROOT FOR OURSELVES,...
DON'T HATE!!!CONGRADULATE!!!

TAKE PRIDE!!!
RIGHT OUR WRONG QUE VIVA LA RAZA!


HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......WE MAKE BLACKS RICH,BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OURSELVES
WE SUPPOSELY HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE...AND WE KEEP OUR OWN SELVES DOWN....WE WOULD RATHER SEE A BLACK
MAN MAKE IT TO THE TOP,THEN A MEXICAN,....FROM BUSINESS TO MOVIES!ETC.....WE ROOT FOR THE BLACKS IN SPORTS,MOVIES AND MUSIC,CLOTHES ETC......MAYBE WE SHOULD ROOT FOR OURSELVES,...
DON'T HATE!!!CONGRADULATE!!!

TAKE PRIDE!!!
RIGHT OUR WRONG QUE VIVA LA RAZA!


HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......WE MAKE BLACKS RICH,BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OURSELVES
WE SUPPOSELY HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE...AND WE KEEP OUR OWN SELVES DOWN....WE WOULD RATHER SEE A BLACK
MAN MAKE IT TO THE TOP,THEN A MEXICAN,....FROM BUSINESS TO MOVIES!ETC.....WE ROOT FOR THE BLACKS IN SPORTS,MOVIES AND MUSIC,CLOTHES ETC......MAYBE WE SHOULD ROOT FOR OURSELVES,...
DON'T HATE!!!CONGRADULATE!!!

TAKE PRIDE!!!
RIGHT OUR WRONG QUE VIVA LA RAZA!


HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......WE MAKE BLACKS RICH,BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OURSELVES
WE SUPPOSELY HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE...AND WE KEEP OUR OWN SELVES DOWN....WE WOULD RATHER SEE A BLACK
MAN MAKE IT TO THE TOP,THEN A MEXICAN,....FROM BUSINESS TO MOVIES!ETC.....WE ROOT FOR THE BLACKS IN SPORTS,MOVIES AND MUSIC,CLOTHES ETC......MAYBE WE SHOULD ROOT FOR OURSELVES,...
DON'T HATE!!!CONGRADULATE!!!

TAKE PRIDE!!!
RIGHT OUR WRONG QUE VIVA LA RAZA!


HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......WE MAKE BLACKS RICH,BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OURSELVES
WE SUPPOSELY HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE...AND WE KEEP OUR OWN SELVES DOWN....WE WOULD RATHER SEE A BLACK
MAN MAKE IT TO THE TOP,THEN A MEXICAN,....FROM BUSINESS TO MOVIES!ETC.....WE ROOT FOR THE BLACKS IN SPORTS,MOVIES AND MUSIC,CLOTHES ETC......MAYBE WE SHOULD ROOT FOR OURSELVES,...
DON'T HATE!!!CONGRADULATE!!!

TAKE PRIDE!!!
RIGHT OUR WRONG QUE VIVA LA RAZA!


HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......WE MAKE BLACKS RICH,BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OURSELVES
WE SUPPOSELY HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE...AND WE KEEP OUR OWN SELVES DOWN....WE WOULD RATHER SEE A BLACK
MAN MAKE IT TO THE TOP,THEN A MEXICAN,....FROM BUSINESS TO MOVIES!ETC.....WE ROOT FOR THE BLACKS IN SPORTS,MOVIES AND MUSIC,CLOTHES ETC......MAYBE WE SHOULD ROOT FOR OURSELVES,...
DON'T HATE!!!CONGRADULATE!!!

TAKE PRIDE!!!
RIGHT OUR WRONG QUE VIVA LA RAZA!


HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......WE MAKE BLACKS RICH,BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OURSELVES
WE SUPPOSELY HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE...AND WE KEEP OUR OWN SELVES DOWN....WE WOULD RATHER SEE A BLACK
MAN MAKE IT TO THE TOP,THEN A MEXICAN,....FROM BUSINESS TO MOVIES!ETC.....WE ROOT FOR THE BLACKS IN SPORTS,MOVIES AND MUSIC,CLOTHES ETC......MAYBE WE SHOULD ROOT FOR OURSELVES,...
DON'T HATE!!!CONGRADULATE!!!

TAKE PRIDE!!!
RIGHT OUR WRONG QUE VIVA LA RAZA!


HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......WE MAKE BLACKS RICH,BUT WHEN IT COMES TO OURSELVES
WE SUPPOSELY HAVE TO MUCH PRIDE...AND WE KEEP OUR OWN SELVES DOWN....WE WOULD RATHER SEE A BLACK
MAN MAKE IT TO THE TOP,THEN A MEXICAN,....FROM BUSINESS TO MOVIES!ETC.....WE ROOT FOR THE BLACKS IN SPORTS,MOVIES AND MUSIC,CLOTHES ETC......MAYBE WE SHOULD ROOT FOR OURSELVES,...
DON'T HATE!!!CONGRADULATE!!!

TAKE PRIDE!!!
RIGHT OUR WRONG QUE VIVA LA RAZA!


HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!

Anonymous said...

OK, MIJO ..... WE HEARD YOU !!!!!

East L.A. Boy

Anonymous said...

HEY EAST L.A.BOY,
I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE BUT IT WASNT INTENTIONAL,IT MUST OF BEEN THE FEDS, AHAHAAAAA!!!

HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!!

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......

What twist? except for the Aunt Jemima panos, they copied cholo style down to the "T".

And for those of you ( not you hollenbeck resident) talking shit about farmers hanging with blacks and selling out the race, people from Mexico don't like cholos period. They look at them not much differently than they do blacks.

Anonymous said...

FOR EVERYONES INFORMATION,THE SUR
USED THE BLUE,AND THE NORTH USED RED,WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS AND THE BLOODS,....THE BLACKS USED OUR STYLE,AND PUT A TWIST ON IT,FROM KHAKIS TO CHEVY'S,AND THEY MADE MONEY WITH IT!......

What twist? except for the Aunt Jemima panos, they copied cholo style down to the "T".

Now its the white guys flipping their caps up and dressing cholo and riding lowrider bikes. I seen a guy at the store all choloed out with a black and white pano hanging out his back pocket. So I asked what that meant, he said nothing to which I responded, " dressing like a gangster don't mean shit if your not one"
This fucker said it was rockabilly style and that white guy rockablliys been dressing like that for fifty years now, even before the mexicans. This puto tried to take credit for cholo style.
I told him I never seen that shit unless it was a white guy in a chicano gang or black guy after they copied cholo style. And I never seen white guys dress like that until recently.
Mind you these aren't AB'ers or NLR'ers but straight nacks playing dress up. They don't even bang, never been to jail and there everywhere.

Anonymous said...

(IT MUST OF BEEN THE FEDS, AHAHAAAAA!!!)

Trucha, Hollenbeck Resident ...

The Feds are watching you for talking that propaganda. Remember, the Revolution will NOT be televised !!!!

East L.A. Boy

Anonymous said...

Hey this is Palm Hall and the guy who said I sould keep those guys names out of my mouth, why they are Drop Outs and informants now. Hell one of em in in WITSEC.

Anonymous said...

Jumping Jehosaphat! It kills me to see this page stuck at 199. Here's a quick inconsequential comment to get us over the hump.

NUMBER 200 !!!!!!

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