Saturday, July 16, 2005

RED DOGS GO "UNCENSORED"
File this one under "What the hell were they thinking?" Last week, 23 FRESNO BULLDOGS were taken into custody after they appeared in a DVD called "FRESNO UNCENSORED." In the DVD, they showed off tattoos, flashed signs, handled weapons, dissed cops, barked like dogs and showed off dope. Stuff like this doesn't look good in your parole report. On July 13, six DOGS appeared in court for a prelim to determine whether there's enough evidence to hold them for prosecution. Anybody up there ever hear of self-admission?

142 comments:

Anonymous said...

that shit is so stupid how those vatos bark like dogs.

StillNoScript said...

The barking sound has always been a big thing up here in N. Cali. I remember parties in Sacramento back in the day; When they played that song, "Who's runnin' this dog house?" The homeboys would go, "Woof, Woof, Woof Woof".

Before you laugh; Come on, there has to be something korny the homeboys do down south too. lol!

Seriously, about the Bulldogs, sounds typical of today's gangs. It's beyond stupid. And this isn't just in the gang culture. Remember, Paris Hilton is the GODMOTHER of incriminating herself on tape. People from all walks of life age 25 and under are filming themselves doing everything from having sex, beating people up, vandalization, you name it.

So, how can we judge a street gang for filming themselves and basically revealing every single thing a local prosecutor would be looking for to lock them up and throw away the key?

StillNoScript said...

I just googled it and it's still available at major retailers. But before I pay 15 bucks for it, I'll try and download it from a P2P or usenet.

Here's a snip from the DVD's summary:

"Welcome to tha 559, This is your official hood pass through the most violent neighborhoods in Fresno, CA aka "Tha NO". Come with us as we conduct live interviews with some of the most notorious block burners in central cali. It wouldnt be uncensored if we didnt have guns, drugs, fights, cars swangin it, strip shows and much more... "


....We're all going to hell.

Anonymous said...

FUCKEN IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THAT IS THE MOST STUPID SHIT YOU CAN DO,I MEAN...WHERE'S THEIR HEADS AT!
WITH ALL THAT BARKING THEY MUST OF POPPED SOME BLOOD VESSELS OR SOMETHING.....WELL CONGRADULATIONS!! IDIOTS!!YOU GOT CAUGHT DANCING LIKE JERKS!!!
(oh wait...they'll probably try to fight it....and say...)THEY WERE JERKS DANCING LIKE IDIOTS!!!!!!

HOLLENBECK RESIDENT!!!!!
(WOOF! WOOF!)

Anonymous said...

Gee these guys are scarey,they must be terrorists, woof,woof,and are these the same firme vatos who in a prior post talk about sticking thier fingers up each others assholes to prove they were "senoritos"

StillNoScript said...

I think we have to be fair and at least assume these are low ranking members of the Fresno Bulldogs. In fact, you have to wonder if the punishment they'll get from their own shotcallers on the inside will be worse than what the State has in store for them.

I don't know if this is a north-south thing. Is somebody here really prepared to say that there are NO pee wee gangs in L.A. that would make a DVD just like this one? There are probably several of them on the black market. The L.A. DA's office just has bigger priorities than chasing down the producers and participants of a gangland version of American Idol DVD circulating through the streets.

Fresno's a lot smaller of a town than L.A., and obviously a self incriminating video like this will get you put away, fast.

Anonymous said...

Fresno is not north. They are central. They wanted to be seperated from Nortenos so now they can have the fucked up part of the state nobody wants. Let them be the big dog in a yard that nobody wants. So this is definitely not a North-South thing.

Anonymous said...

6 not 23 are actually going to trial. Heres the latest.
http://www.shns.com/shns/g_index2.cfm?action=detail&pk=UNCENSORED-07-15-05

If you have seen the video, its not a Bulldog video. It supposed to be a underground hip hop documentary for some fresno based rappers. As there are some Bulldogs on there but lots of blacks too. I believe the 6 that are on trial are Bulldogs or Bulldog wannabes.

Anonymous said...

Bulldogs and blacks are the same que no?

Anonymous said...

Bulldogs and blacks are the same thing que no?

Anonymous said...

yep, bulldogs, busters, and blacks are basically the same thing

CONEX said...

you guys need to get a hold of yourselves, why make a big deal about the bulldogs and their film ? you people behave as if if cholos really have some kind if intelligence when they are bangin , remember that gang violence is random to the cholo , he does it when he wants and to whomever he wants that is why its called LA VIDA LOKA , ME VALE MADRE. QVO, QUE NO ?

Anonymous said...

HEY JOHN,
If you still have a problem with this blog,then logg off BUDDY!!you think you know what your talking about but you dont,you keep trying to put your two cents in!I think you got to get a hold of your own self!!!One minute you where banging,then you said it's all bullshit not to be brainwashed,and now you want to comment about things you say werent worth it!!!WHERE DO YOU STAND?EITHER YOU BANG OR NOT,AND IF YOU SAY THAT A CHOLOS LIFE IS LIKE THIS OR THAT THEN WHY DO YOU EVEN BOTHER TO POST A COMMENT,IF IOT WASNT WORTH IT TO YOU THEN LEAVE IT ALONE!!
DONT BE A HALF STEPPER!WRITE INFORMATIVE THINGS FOR PEOPLE TO LEARN OR DISCUSS OPEN MINDEDLY,NOT YOUR LAME ASS CRITISIZME,WHY DO YOU EVEN BOTHER!!

CONEX said...

HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH ANOTHER HATER,...FIRST OFWHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE TO CRITIZE ANYONE ? WILL YOU BE THE FIRST TO CAST THE STONE OR WHAT ? I HAVE A RIGHT TO SPELL OUT WHAT I KNOW IS TRUE IN MY LIFE AND MY OWN OPINION OF MY PAST, YES I HAVE DONE TIME AND ALL THAT OTHER CRAP AND HAD A GOOD TIME COMMITTING CRIMES SINCE THATS ALL I KNEW AT THE TIME , BUT THAT WAS THEN AND THIS IS NOW I AM NOT PROUD OF THE PEOPLE I KIDNAPPED AND DID TIME FOR OR THE VATOS I SHOT OR THE FAMILIES WE TERRORIZED IN OUR VARRIO , FOR EXAMPLE WE WOULD GET THEM UP AFTER A NIGHT OF PARTING AND TELL THESE PEOPLE TO MAKE US BREAKFAST WE WOULD USE THERE GARAGES AND THERE YARDS TO PARTY , ALOT OF THESE PEOPLE WERE DECENT GENTE AND I DO REGRET THE SHIT I DID, AND NO I WOULD NOT DO IT AGAIN , BEING IN A VARRIO IS FALSE PRIDE AND SO IS THE BULLSHIT THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT SUCH AS THE RANDOM VIOLENCE, A REAL OG AND REAL HOMIE IS WHAT I AM NOW, HELPING OUT MY CARNALS FROM MEXICO TO BE LIGITIMATE CITIZENS AND KEEPING THE YOUNGSTERS AROUND HERE OUT OF VARRIOS, I DONT NEED TO PROVE NADA TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE . I HAVE LIVED THE LIFE AND DONE THE TIME AND WENT ON TO A BETTER LIFE, SO CHIKE ON THAT, GOT TO GO TO TACO ESTRELLA IN HP IM HUNGRY .....ALRATO

Anonymous said...

I never said all bulldogs stick fingers in each others asses, I said one dummy let it happen at the hands of another bulldog who wanted to make the first vato no good. he was deemed no good and used by the homies. I'll say this . In YA, the Fresno bulldogs had alot of hardhitting vatos. One of the reasons they gave for dropping out of the North was that they were constantly putting in more than their fair share of work. To the vato who said blacks, bulldogs, and the north are all the same, Ill say this. Just about every sureno who got off one on one got smashed. Their stregnth was in their numbers. They couldn't box and came swinging with their heads down so we called them swimmers. I'd put my money on a real bulldog or norteno in a fight between them and a sureno.

Anonymous said...

(I'd put my money on a real bulldog or norteno in a fight between them and a sureno.)
Sounds like you've been consuming too many farm products. What's next, a game of chess? (my boys are better than your boys) I guess it's better than taking it to the limit.

Woof Woof.

CONEX said...

I HATE TO SAY IT BUT THE NORTENO IS RIGHT , I WOULD PUT MY MONEY ON HIM TOO, THAT DONT MAKE ME A TRADER IT MAKES ME A SMART GAMBLER, 15 YEARS AGO OR LONGER IT WAS DIFFERENT, BUT NOW NORTENOS GOT BALLS TO SCRATCH I GUESS THEY GOT FED UP WITH BEING PUNKED , SO NOW ITS TIME FOR THE SUR TO GET PUNKED ONE ON ONE , BUT IF THEY ARE IN PACKS THEN THE SUR WINS, SHIT HAPPENS AND TIMES CHANGE QUE NO ? LETS GO PLAY SOME TIGRES DEL NORTE RANCHERAS....

Anonymous said...

If these busters from up north are so tough why do they hang with the mayates in the pinta? Protection? All the vatos torcidos I talk to say it makes them sick. It's a first in the history of the Ca. prison system. Their days are numbered.

CONEX said...

they hang with the mayates which are a minority like us , but instead we ahng with the gavachos who really hate us anyways since they are truly white power skin heads so whos really the fool here ?

Anonymous said...

I have a solution....just get a job, raise a family, and avoid going to prison all together.

Try that.

Anonymous said...

hey wally.any comments on the article in the la weekly about the avenues killing blacks?

Anonymous said...

Gavachos did alot more damage to the raza then blacks ever did. Shit, Blacks don't have the infrastructure to harm the raza. One reason you sur vatos hate them is because you hate yourselves and need someone to point the finger at and say at least I'm not black. Don't get me wrong, I dont hate gabachos either. To tell the truth its been my own trying to cut my throat more so than any black or white guy. The sur is getting stonger because there taking in paisas to increase their numbers. Back in the day a paisa was called a border brother and remained nuetral, if he tried to bang he was called a plastico and not recieved very well. Surenos should watch out though because the paisas are getting smart and realizing they don't need to be a sureno or norteno and can handle shit on their own. Don't be suprised to hear of them smashing on both sides in future. Its already happening in some cities up north. (paisas fueding with north and south and holding their own) I always liked their style, most of the surenos and nortenos I know don't have that old school respect and humility paisas do. Too arrogant and full of themselves with the hyper- masculinity of the truly powerless.

StillNoScript said...

You should e-mail Wally with whatever information you have on the recent l.a. weekly article. That's where he gets most of his stories. I'm sure he does read EVERY e-mail and checks up on each story, and if all checks out with his sources he posts it here.

Anonymous said...

Blacks are on their way out too. Back in Juvie, there'd be ten vatos, five woods, and a gang of blacks. Now its ten blacks, five woods, and a gang of vatos. The blacks aint joking when they say they are an endagered species. Nortenos hang with blacks in the pen because vatos from LA decided to put down the children of farmworkers. Once the farmers tired of that shit and started fighting back, the LA gangsters ran to the AB and forged a union with the former bluebird gang which preyed on them only a few years back. That left the farmworkers and the blacks with no choice but to unite against the LA vatos and their Racist allies from the former bluebird gang.
Its really sad to think of mexicans killing mexicans because of gente from Los wanting to think they were better than vatos from up north because one group was poorer or not in the US as long. Its the same self hatred that has surenos pointing at blacks and thinking they're better because thats all they have. Eventually you all end up in same place.

Anonymous said...

Actually, the high power surenos may fued with blacks for power and money and not out of self hatred. Its the low level fools that do it because they aint got shit and need to find someone who's worse off then them to feel better. Look at who's in the white power gangs. Its poor ass white guys who are looked down on by the white people with real power: politicians, LE, educated folks, and so on.

Anonymous said...

Same shit the bulldogs/norte whatever they think they are black.

Anonymous said...

To the farmer that said he would bet on any buster from up north against a Sureno . I will take that bet you must have been on a week ass yard.Why do farmers always copy the Sur? Why is it that every Sureno website there are farmers spying on it?I will tell you why there is nothing going on up there except fruit picking!You iddiots are so infatuated with are lifestyle that dispite all the abuse you take from us you just cant stay away. Un fucking beliveable!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Whover said that blacks dont have hate for mexicans must be from up north.Beacuse Surenos know better the reason we hate them so much is they are constantly stepping on toes being disrepctful stupid not to mention fucking lazy.I know every body gets along up north and you fools bust slobs with myates and act like them . But down here were got just alittle more backbone and dont need to act like something were not.Ok so thats were the conflicts come in and we basically have no choice but to go at it with them. I know no self respecting Chicano or pisa that will put up there shit except. You guessed it A FUCKEN NORTONTO!

Anonymous said...

Thats right they act like they are black and the blacks turn around behind their backs and call the taco and disrespect and talk shit and try to treat the hynas wrong, CHALE'

Anonymous said...

Ok whats it going to be? Are we copying surenos or blacks? you can't have it both ways? Oh wait, yes you can because surenos are rappers now! What? Your not going to tell me the sur made up rap and the blacks stole it from you are you? Didn't surenos used to disrespect anyone who liked rap? "Puros oldies forever!"
I see those sureno rappers starting to dress like black rappers so why are you vatos fronting like your so proud to be brown. If you were, you wouldn't disrespect another mexican because his parents are farm workers. You fucking vatos act like your family was in califas when it was still mexico. I was happy to read in the LA weekly article that the paisas were smashing on the avenues too. I guess its not just up north were the paisas are going on their own and taking on more established chicano gangs.

I'll feel like I'm losing this argument when I resort to name calling like you vatos. And just so you know, most vatos up here don't get along with blacks, we had our race riots too. The thing is we fueded with them on the calles to back the homies, you guys do it because your ordered to do so. Keep your heads up and puro oldies forever!

Anonymous said...

Aren't most oldies sung by mayates?

CONEX said...

TELL EM LIKE IT IS NORTHERN CALI , ALL THE SURENOS ALSO ACT LIKE BLACKS NOW I SHOULD KNOW CAUSE I LIVED IN LA SINCE 1948 AND ALOT HAS CHANGED IN THESE VARRIOS, THEY REALLY THINK THEY ARE BLACK IN SUR LAND

CONEX said...

OH AND THEY ALSO FOLLOW ORDERS AND PAY TAXES LIKE A PECETA.LMAO

Anonymous said...

Conex or exfarmer whatever the hell your name is leva!You are a border brother i can tell probably ex fruitpicker, buster sympathiser I can picture your dumb ass.And to that philospher up north who knows about LA beacuse she reads LA weekly. You guys are so fucking confused of course youngsters are going to listen to rap music at that age what else is on the radio.Trust me we dont need to be told to get off against a toad if need be ok .Also answer this why are you on this site if its basically a Sureno site and we are all full o shit? I think you are wishing and hoping that you are on the same street level but you are not. End of fucking story!

Anonymous said...

Most oldies are sung by blacks, which cracks me up because the surenos used to disrespect us for listening to rap in addition to being poor and farmworkers. You know what though, back in 88, 89 alot of the norteno homies would disrespect rap as nigger music. They'd get mad if you tried to pop a rap tape in the stereo. They'd say, " what you think your black?" To this day those same norteno homies have that attitude. They'd also call mexicans wetbacks which I thought was fucked up. Dumbassess must have thought they were here since califas was mexico too. You'd be surprised at how nortenos and surenos aren't that different. The reason the sur is stronger is simply geography. ( they happen to be next to mexico)
Back to my point, I never did like oldies, all that lovey dovey shit was weak!!!
Tupac has more in common with my view of the world than smokey robinson!

Anonymous said...

Ex-fruitpicker? Whats wrong with having a job? I'm sure your jefito and you are rocket scientists, right?

Uh, no you're not. You're just a lowly cholo making fun of another Mexican forgetting that you have a penca de nopal on your forhead, too.

Anonymous said...

Orale, homes..."Earth Angel" and "Angel Baby" RIFA TODO!!!!

Oh yeah, lets not forget "I'm Your Puppet" and "Lonely Girl"!

Anonymous said...

I'm on this site to learn. If you know yourself and your enemy, your victory is assured. If you know your enemy but not yourself or vice versa, you stand a fifty fifty chance. If you don't know yourself or your enemy, your defeat is assured.
Does that answer your question?

I'm not in a gang but can see the threat to la raza you pose whether your a norteno or a sureno. I'd rather see the little homies getting A's in school and respecting their elders than robbing paisas pushing ice cream carts because their easy marks. I'd rather see a little homie getting high on setting goals and reaching them instead of getting high on krylon gold or silver. So I come here to see how you work and hopefully come up with a way to counter it.
You on the other hand take orders to hurt our communities by vatos doing triple life loaded up on carga in the shu who never gave a fuck about anyone but themselves.

Anonymous said...

Fuck rap mayate music and Im a youngster I follow the old school guidelines as do alot of my homeboys, so dont disrespect farmer!

Anonymous said...

Why not follow school guidlines instead? Learn a trade, go to college, do anything except embarrass us non-cholo Mexicans and having the gringos calling us trash.

Try following those guidelines.

Anonymous said...

You dont disrepect either, Im in high school about graduate next year and go to college but where I live I follow the rules IDIOT!

Anonymous said...

Follow your parents rules (unless of course, they're cholos, too)

p.s.

If you go to college, then thats chingon!

Anonymous said...

I worked the fields up north on the tomato machine and changing irrigation pipes when I was a little vato. My jefito wasn't a rocket scientist for sure, he was a useless borracho. But guess what? I can do algebra, geometry, chemistry, and hang in YA. I never been to the pinta but imagine I'd do okay there too. Shit , last time I hit YA on a violation I was on lockdown the whole time because the placas thought I was a shotcaller. All I did was introduce all the nortenos to one another because they were poorly organized even as they were outnumbered by the surenos. I know surenos who are cool and have the same mentality as me. They don't try to make themselves bigger by disrespecting other people or razas. They get respected because of how they carry themselves. All most of you fools can do is call us farmers or busters which as they said in NAM "DONT MEAN NOTHING!"

Anonymous said...

Ex-fruitpicker? Whats wrong with having a job? I'm sure your jefito and you are rocket scientists, right?

Uh, no you're not. You're just a lowly cholo making fun of another Mexican forgetting that you have a penca de nopal on your forhead, too.

I responded this thinking it was directed at me. I now realize you were directing it at these sellouts of our raza who do the bidding of the former blue bird gang who used to punk the los vatos back in the day.

Anonymous said...

Those buloldogs were dumb to pose for the camera doing gangster shit. Hasn't anyone learned anything from abu gharib.

Anonymous said...

Hellllllp Wally ...

Who riled up this chicken coop ???
I guess they have to get it off their chests. Have a great summer and let's respect our communities.

El Chiludo

Anonymous said...

Bulldogs,
I know that there was a fift between the NF and the Fresno cats. I knew Buldogs that resented being placed with all nortenos and knew that it might me a loosing prop. So went on there own. With no set alegance with Sur or norte, they had to kind of walk the line alone. Some southsiders have given them there props for this and then some have just said " another tip to hit" I'll roll with that. I know we used to joke and WOFF as they walked by in Palma's.
So many folks in this blogg act like they been there. And from what they say it aint true. You gotta recognized that there is a structure ( pardon the word) and there is not any real deviance frome this...
I would have wacked any Bulldog,I would not have hesitated. There was no way out for La eMe Cristaino's like Killroy. He just wan't a priorty. No $ involved. And bad publicty. Any Vato's that have said differant in this blog are talking out there #@@...
Palm Hall

Anonymous said...

As far as the dude saying something about the former blueburd gang and punking. The brotherhood between La eMe and the Brand is SOLID and there was never no punking and you do not know shit. It is a matter of growing up in the same hoods and orginized crime grows along lines that are either ethnic or geographic and that is that. Those folks did time as youngsters and formed a blood oath. eMe and Brand are together forever.... THat is the way it is... No way that is gonna change. We have fought together and died together, por vida....
You can like it or you can rap your ass down the ramp..........Better then camaradas with miyates...
Palm Hall

Anonymous said...

"I responded this thinking it was directed at me. I now realize you were directing it at these sellouts of our raza who do the bidding of the former blue bird gang who used to punk the los vatos back in the day"


Yeah, I directed it toward the poster that made fun of fruit-pickers.

Hell, I've lived in So. Cal my whole life, but when I was a little kid, my dad lost his job and guess what, we moved to Michigan for 1 year because they were hiring fruit-pickers. We had to eat, right? Whatever it takes to feed your family. These posters forget that there are farms and fields here in So. Cal, too.

Anonymous said...

Did anyone see cops episode on FOX TV last Saturday? They were showing some sort of footage from Fresno in some supposibally bad part of town.[looked like 15fwy on the way to Vegas]Anyways cops roll up on two dudes fighting, one was on parole big brush i guess a Fresno cholo.And the other one was i think a hobo or a bum .Anyways the hobo is kicking the shit out of the farmer i mean cholo. It was funny as shit even the hudas were talking shit on him telling him" hey that bum was kicking your ass good thing we got here. Anyways i was curious if that was a BULLDOG!!

Anonymous said...

The EME was started because the raza was tired of being abused by the white inmates who CO's favored over other races because they too were white. (THERES ALOT MORE BROWN CO'S NOW) These white inmates called themselves the bluebird gang and had all the best jobs and positions in CDC. Mexican-American inmates caught alot of shit from them. The favored white guys had the backing of CO's and so abused all the other races. Then some chingones from down south tired of this and decided to fight back. Thats when the EME was formed.

I must admit I wasn't in the sytem back in the 50's and 60's but every credible source on the gangs in califas I've studied has said the same. So you see, the Mexicans united to keep from being abused by white inmates favored by the guards and black inmates who were big enough to take what they wanted. The EME did great in their quest to become predator instead of prey and soon took over everything including the good jobs the whites previously held. Soon after, the EME started preying on other mexicans, especially those from up north by calling them sod-busters and farmers and making them pay taxes or rent. These northern vatos tired of that shit and formed a counter group. After a few pleitos, they were seperated and an AB'er was used to get at a NF'er. That forged the union between the former bluebird gang which was now the AB and the EME.
They were probably cool before that because as palm hall says, they grow up together in the same neighboorhoods. Still, the EME was started because raza was tired of abuse from big ass blacks but especially them blue birds. It went wrong when the vatos from Los looked down on other mexicans as inferior instead of uplifting their brothers. Thats what I've gathered from studying gangs in books and on the internet because I wasn't there.

I learn alot more here if I don't say shit and just read the posts. So many of you have really good info and I appreciate the opportunity to learn from you.

Anonymous said...

I seen that episode. The vato kicking ass wasn't a bum , he was a paisa and he was getting robbed for some nice bags he was carrying. The vato getting slapped was probably a bulldog. He looked totally out of it like a paint sniffer. The shit was funny
I think the cholo was a bum actually. The paisa had somewhere to go, the cholo was just looking to score a pisto.
That'll be you in 15 years !

RetiredJoker said...

Let not get Bulldogs and Nortenos mixed up as the same. Most Nortenos are not farmers. The bay area is a pretty big metropolitan area. Fresno however is still mostly farm area.
Heres a lil history for you on the seperation of F-14 (Now Bulldog Nation) from the NF and Norte Califas.

Around March of 1991. F-14 Leader Gabriel Coronado suffers a slash to his throat in an attack by NF associate Leonel Cano in the Santa Clara County Jail (San Jose).
This is the main event that leads to Fresno's defection from the NF control and name changed from F-14 to Bulldog Nation.

TijuanaJailer said...

Before people get their feathers ruffled any further it is important to understand that the EME, AB, BGF and NF (California's AXIS of EVIL) does not care about ethnic pride. From Day One, EME began exploiting fellow Chicanos. According to one former EME member's description: "they are an Equal Opportunity Exploiter". End of story. The NF formed out of their being abused by EME and they evolved into a criminal cartel with NO regard (I repeat NO regard) for their people, be they campesinos or northern California gang members. If anyone is being "punked" (as many posters are fond of saying), it is the north AND south gang members by these two groups. It doesn't take a rocket science to figure this out.
The AB started out as biker "types" and white racist black-hating warriors. They too evolved into gangsters who could care less about white supremacy and more about the green almighty dollar. The BGF, led originally by James "Doc" Holliday has long since surrendered its
anti-establishment ideology for good old capitalist living. I doubt that the proceeds from their meth labs go back to furthering the "Black Cause".
There are two historical components to the EME-AB alliance and the NF-BGF alliance. There is the racial component and the power component. In prison, it was well known that the blacks and whites were "natural" enemies. Due to the color of their skin, this "natural" racial divide would always separate these groups.
When the EME emerged, they were into power and control and they didn't care who you were nor what color your skin was. Domination, exploitation and terrorizing (there's that dreaded word again) the main population was what they were about. Their power struggle was one that was fresh from the CYA, county jail facilities and wherever Chicanos and Blacks were housed together. The fact that they shared similar social plights on the outside was not a relevant factor on the inside. They never thought about the fact that they indeed shared common dilemnas.
So understand this: EME and southern gang members never really hated blacks because of the color of their skin but more because of the numerical threat they represented. It was about power. Those of you who have done time for many years (especially those of you who were "state raised") will attest to the fact that a handful of Chicanos could confront a large group of blacks and send them "running" like a stampede of cattle by just blinking their eyes.
Then you had your "cream of the crop". The BGF and hard core radicals. They actually respected and admired EME members. In fact, when George Jackson, Hugo "Yogi" Pinell & company decided to take over the San Quentin Adjustment Center, who was there fighting alongside them: Luis "Bala" Talamantez and Louie "Rock On Lou" Lopez, two fierce EME enforcers. In an unholy alliance, they "teamed up" to execute three (3) prison guards and left a stack of injured guards in a cell presumably dead. Read the following link for some interesting stuff: http://rwor.org/a/v20/960-69/969/talam.htm
There is a strange bond (sealed in blood) that unites the EME and the BGF. Their old timers could probably swap some very interesting war stories.
Their unique power struggle was joined by two other groups with axes to grind. The AB loved the fact that the EME's power struggle with BGF (mostly in the CDC's lock-up units) dove tailed perfectly with their "racial" struggle against the black militants. They became EME's natural allies in this battle. Then the NF entered the scene. Their agenda was to resist EME's exploitation of "farmers" and oppressed raza and the flag they initially flew was the flag of ridding oppressed people from the tyranny of La EME. Of course, they found a natural ally in the BGF. Once the NF found themselves effectively separated from EME members, their agenda changed to organized criminal endeavors and this North-South thing became a way of keeping the proverbial pot stirred for the purpose of maintaining control over nortenos (NF) and surenos (EME). And life became a "beautiful" thing for these groups.
There was no real "love" between EME and AB, just a common "business goal". There was no real "love" between NF and BGF, just a self-serving and common "business goal". The prison administration played a major role in "divide and conquer" (as the convicts liked to say) but it was really "divide and control".
Had the prison administration not succeeded in separating these groups there is absolutely no doubt that EME and AB would have run the Yards today and life in prison (if you think it is a horrible experience today) would have been sheer misery.
For all the posters (farm workers specifically) who become offended at the "farmero" label, you should not. First off, Northern Farmers (NF) was a derisive term which originated in
late-1970 at San Quentin. EME and NF had a prearranged "cease fire" at that time. A then future EME member by the name of Ramon "Mundo" Mendoza (aka: Machine Gun Mundo) from VNE in Boyle Heights (East L.A.) began referring to them by this term. This wasn't a secret thing as he actually addressed NF members to their faces on the upper yard. It was Mundo's hope that they would get angry enough to break the truce since he could not "fire the first shot" and get the EME upset.
The NF put up with Mundo's abuse and he later would be responsible for the killing of (5) NF members and (2) BGF members both in and out of prison before he defected.
Through the years, EME and its allies have succeeded in getting under the skin of Northern Cal gang members by referring to them as "country yokels", farmers, fruit pickers, etc. Now you know that this is not a literal insult but a continuation of the derisive and disrespectful behavior directed at what EME has always and will always consider an inferior breed of Chicanos. Although we all know this is not true, this is their attitude guys.
With no axe to grind, I hope this enlightens some who maybe needed to see some of this in some organized perspective.

Peace ...................

TijuanaJailer

Anonymous said...

Great post Tijuas Jailer! I'm not ashamed to be called a farmer.
I hope to ride the label of poor immigrant farmworker into office someday. I get upset at seeing my people behaving so ignorantly towards one another.

RetiredJoker said...

Very Nice post as usual TJ Jailer. Another tidbit of useless info I would like to throw out there. Kind of a gang insidea gang. I remember growing up and was told to me by veteranos that in the pinta Crips would ally themselves with nortenos and Surenos with Bloods? Seems almost backwards than it is in the streets but I was told this is how things were once in the Nor Cal jail system in the early 80's. Samoan gangs also would ally themselves with Nortenos even though most samoans claimed the color blue or crip. I also knew of the NF using Blacks and Samoans as "enforcers" or sometimes "Hitmen". That's probably why most Nortenos from San Fran and Oakland speak with a black slang. As opposed to the south bay area (San Jose,Salinas, Gilroy,etc) which has a much larger hispanic population and speak with a more "Chicano" cholo accent.

TijuanaJailer said...

((I learn alot more here if I don't say shit and just read the posts. So many of you have really good info and I appreciate the opportunity to learn from you.))

For your edification, every old time EME defector and old time prison guard I have interviewed has consistently given the same account of EME's origin.
The founder of this group was Luis "Huero Buff" Flores' from the Hawaiian Gardens street gang in L.A. These first members (some like to say there were "13" while others like the "Dirty Dozen" and the exact number in the beginning doesn't really matter) were leaders of their respective street gangs from So Cal.
These arrogant street gang leaders had one thing in common: An ego as big as the DVI yard!
Their primary purpose for forming was the "C" word: CONTROL. Not ethnic pride, not protecting Chicanos against Bluebirds or Blackbirds or white prison guards.
The EME formed for the sole purpose of "terrorizing" the prison population and utilizing strong arm tactics in pressuring whoever they wanted to pressure so that their lives in prison would be that much more comfortable. This was their short-range goal. Their long-range goal was to extend this control to the Hispanic communities upon their eventual release on parole.
I have yet to see a web site on the EME that is close to accurate. Wally has the resources (retired EME and prison gang guards and investigators) who can contribute mightily to this site, especially when it comes to answering most historical questions.
You will find romanticized accounts on many web sites but there will be one or two books released this year that will be of great interest with much inside information regarding the history and formative years of La EME. Stay tuned. Wally will keep you posted.

Peace .........

TijuanaJailer

Anonymous said...

Retired Joker,
When I was in CYA alot of vatos and blacks would claim C14 for Crip14. And there was a general alliance but I've been places were the crips teamed up with the surenos and smashed on us even during this era.
On a different note, Is there anyone around from El Hoyo Palma or Varrio Horseshoe? When I got to CYA the vatos froms these varrios were the vets and all the youngsters my age were from upstart varrios like east side hoods.

RetiredJoker said...

I don't even think EHP is around anymore. All retired, dead or inp prison. I do know that Horseshoe is still around as well a variant of it, basically it just all the vatos that claim west side San Jo.
Is East Side Hoods still around? I remember they were the main upstarts in San Jo in the 90's as well as Barrio Mas Locos and Capital Park Locos. Do you know any vatos from Sunnyvale?

Anonymous said...

When I went up to Stockton, CA to visit some people some fools tried to hit us up and I laughed because they were Norte Playboy Crips so they were hating on us for wearing blue but they had on blue but they claimed Norte, ese my head was spinning from the confusion.

Anonymous said...

to that buster that said hes glad to hear paisa were punking vatos from the avenues....if u read the article carefully,thats info that a rat named sleepy told the courts..ur telling me u beleive what a rat says?i grew up on the street mentioned in that article.trust me,its always been avenues controled.

Anonymous said...

oh by the way,the article is called avenues of death.it's posted on laweekly.com this week.

Anonymous said...

This site is becoming fucked up by are little cousins from up North!Pretty soon you will be hearing them say hey Grumpy rember that miyate Leroy who got your sister pregnant what ever happend to him?He was cooool!

Anonymous said...

Its mayate not miyate. (now your learing spanish from Palm Hall?)
Pinche kanpol can't even spell in spanish for all your brown pride.
If tehuatl (you) can't get spanish or english right tehuatl better hope nahautl doesn't come your way in Atotoli Bay.

Anonymous said...

ORALE'

Anonymous said...

Lame... I can act like I know too!
http://casademexico.com/nahuatl.html

Anonymous said...

I did get the info from that page. But sabes que homie? I'm not acting like I know, I'm studying nahuatl elsewhere too.(the word kanpol isn't anywhere on this site) That doesn't change the fact you still can't speak english or spanish correctly. You even fuck up calo. You the supposed keepers of everything chicano and me a dumb farmer.
I'm studying nahuatl so the language can't be used against me if I should ever be in a bad place. What are you doing besides hating us farmers and net banging?

Anonymous said...

You have a Calo dictionary fukken Lop! Did I just spell Fucken wrong? Who came up with calo... and by who's dictionary are you going? Is it even Calo? Not saying homie who spelled it "Miyate" was right... and not saying you're wrong, but is there even a right or wrong way too spell it? From what I know... a "Miate"(sp) is what Mexicanos call a certain Black Bug, this from familia born and raised in Mexico.

Anonymous said...

no calo dictionary...just plenty of time spent around old school chicanos, vatos, paisas, and every other walk of life in mexican culture. Its funny how you wannabe kanpols always resort to name calling. I know all the names used to disrespect kanpols but refrain from using them out of respect to the real vatos from down south. You name callers are the real busters , not sod busters, but side busters. Trying to hang on real surenos coattails and talking shit on the internet.
I'm done with you, find a norteno to talk shit to on another web page, I'm sure there's plenty of dummies up here willing to oblige you.

also
(this from familia born and raised in Mexico.)
so what makes you different from a norteno or bulldog with the same background such that you hate them ?
answer that !

Anonymous said...

WHATS GOING ON HERE!!!ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE POSTING CRAP,ACTING LIKE LITTLE KIDS,WHY DO THEY EVEN BOTHER AS FOR CONEX YOU MUST BE JOHN!!!! RIGHT!! LISTEN,I READ YOUR POINT OF VEIW,IT WAS GREAT,IF YOU REGRET WHAT U DID,AND YOU HAVE A HATE TOWARDS THE GANG LIFE,THEN WHY DO YOU BOTHER WITH THE ISSUES?
I THINK YOUR CONFUSED,OR MUST HAVE A GRUDGE OF SOME SORT,CAUSE IF YOUR NOT FOND OF THE GANGSTER MENTALLITY,THEN WHY EVEN COMMENT ON IT?IF YOU TRULLY BELEIVE WHAT YOU SAY,THEN WHY EVEN BOTHER WITH THE ISSUE,GO SEE A SHRINK!!!!!WE DONT WANT TO HEAR YOUR PROBLEMS AND LIFE STORIES,YOU HATE GANGSTERS
BUT YOU STILL VISIT THIS WEBSITE,WHICH IS.........ABOUT GANGS MOSTLY SURENO STORIES,WICH YOU ALSO HATE,ISNT THAT SO?

Anonymous said...

I don't hate surenos homie. I only banged on them in the past because I was being a follower and thought its what was expected of me. I never disrespect surenos on this blog who carry themselves here like men coming to exchange ideas and info. Its the trash talking kids I like to spank with my pen. I didn't agree with Pelon from Pacas but never disrespected him. I don't even mind being called a fruit picker because I know who I am , I'm more annoyed that someone so ignorant could think their better than me because of geography. But thats not my problem anymore. I'm over it now, bigger than that.
I hope that helps.
so to you I say, IT ISN'T SO!

Anonymous said...

Homie...
The reason I said what I said (as far as the spelling of the word Miyate/Mayate goes) is cause you did talk down on the dude when you yourself weren't in the right!
You said, "Pinche kanpol can't even spell in spanish for all your brown pride", when you weren't right yourself! Don't be a hypocrite... all that time around Old School Chicanos and homies? It don't mean they know how to spell Miate =o), not talking trash or trying to start more trash, just saying what it is!
I don't hate any body from up north... I'm in military and I know a lot of raza from up there (really ain't no different than southern raza), but I guess it's just the circumstances that one finds himself in that dictate his actions, which I agree, is not right!
For what it's worth, my apologies!
*P*

Anonymous said...

I'm going to have to look up the word cause miate don't look right either. (I'm trying to think of words were the "I" is pronounced "ahh" instead of "eee")



Anyways , I'm glad we agree to disagree.

Anonymous said...

just keep it simple guys!!
MAYATE!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I remember growing up in the south side of san jose during the early and mid 90's.I used to see Nortenos and surenos fighting for territory all the time. My cousin got me into the gang life.he got me into all that gang shit. It was pretty rough. There were some vatos claiming sur pretty hard in San Jo.So my cousin went to prison for murder.My parents decided we needed to move from the ghetto and get away from the gang life.

We moved to a town in the central valley when i was about 17.I felt bad leaving all my homies.There were no gangs here when i first moved buit lately I see nortenos and some surenos around town. It seems as the years go buy it gets worse.Drug dealing and violence went up 65 percent in 1 year.I see all the litlle kids trying to be gangsta.They donbt know why there claiming colors.

I look back in my life and know that i did some stupid shit.But I didnt't know it was wrong. Everyone wanted to dress like a norteno where i grew up and be in a gang.Know that i am olde i look back and think it was all stupid

stay in school

Anonymous said...

Growing up being down and loving your turf is a natural occurence but there's not enough veteranos around schoolin the youth on how to have respect or understand the life of a homie.

RetiredJoker said...

I truly believe the atmosphere is much different now. Media, Guns, and the entertainment industry has changed what these lil vatos perceive on the streets. When I was growing up it was pride for your town and/or neighborhood and you would stick up for you town against the surrounding towns. Then the Sur/Norte thing jumped off. Then you got NF/EME doing drug business and sanctioning killings on the streets as well as the pinta. I'm 34 now and when I was a young un we were taught by the older homies in the neighborhood to always stick up for our hood. If you could throw blows and show heart, you were down and people respected you. You didn't rob or hurt people in your own neighborhoods, you respected them as your neighbors. I remember watching such films as Boulevard Nights, The Warriors and The Wanderers and thinking how cool it was. Now the movies as much more violent, perhaps mirroring our own society.
I was shot 4 times when I was 22 because some punk didn't want to fight me with his fists and since that event I slowly drifted away from the lifestyle. People were just too quick to pull a trigger to settle a dispute.
"Making money and bangin Honeys" was my motto. Got a good job, a nice ride and starting getting more ass than a toilet seat.
I think most of the people on this site are curious about the gangster lifestyle and see it around them, but do you really want to end up in the SHU and be down with the carnals? I don't think so. I'm sure you would rathar be "making money and Banging honeys". :o)

RetiredJoker said...

To add on to that story, I grew up in Sunnyvale, and in and around San Jo. We never had any sureno uprising in our neighborhood, we were just too strong. East San Jo for the most part was like that also, except for small pockets like by Happy Hollow and Poco Way.
We had a vato move into the neighborhood from San Diego. A bonafide veterano Sureno with San Diego tattooed across his stomach.
this was the early 90's and we were in our early 20's and he was around 32, but you know what? The vato was good peoples. Didn't matter where he was from, there was no blue/red or north/south thing.
He was good peoples so we respected him and vice versa. We never hit him up for being a scrap because no matter what skin color what tattoo or what color you wear, good peoples are good peoples no matter where you go. Don't be so quick to judge your fellow man until you have walked in his shoes.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

hey wuz up well fuck them foos they stupid ass ppl they go make a video about shit and now they goin down for it.shit i give them a finger the middle one cause now they aint gona have no freedum so all i say is foos slap urself for being a dum ass

Anonymous said...

to all these ppl talking about gang life and what they had and went threw ya'll dont know shit u all talk about north and south but ya really dont know what a gangsta is its about being down for ur hood and homies respecting the ppl and ur familys and just kicking it all these young ass kids make us gangstas look bad not knowing what respect is and what its all about ya'll need to stop wit that shit cause u all need to be scooled about what life is and kill all that shit so fuck all da new gangstas and wanna be ballers and just kick it and show love to ur hood and familys

Anonymous said...

hi ppl ya'll fuckin aint got shit to do but play on here

Anonymous said...

FUCK BUSTERS AND SCRAPS. ITS ALL ABOUT THE FRESNO BULLDOGS. US BULLDOGS COMING UP AND WERE GONNA DOMINATE SOON SO U FUCKIN SURats AND BUSTERS OR FARMERS SHOULD SHUT YOUR ASSES UP CUZ WE RUN BUSTERS AND SCRAPS HERE IN FRESNO. WE HAVE ALL U BITCHES ON CHECK U FUCKIN DUMBFUCKS.SO U BETTER WATCH OUT FOR US CUZ WE BARK AND BITE MUTHAFUCKERS.BEWARE OF FRESNO BULLDOGS.
EAST SIDE FRESNO BULLDOGS
E$F BD$

Anonymous said...

Alot of trash talk has been directed at the bullfrogs for being stupid enough to film themselves doing gangster shit, especially by the wannabe surenos. Don't you surenos have a gang of websites with pictures of vatos claiming to be gangsters and gang members? your just as big a pendejo for hosting a website full of pictures of vatos holding cuetes, throwing up hand signs, y la chingada.
As for the bulldog calling northerners farmers, come on now...do I really need to respond to that?
too funny...

Anonymous said...

ALL SCRAPS AND BUSTERS ARE PUSSY

Anonymous said...

north side fresno bulldogs doing there thang ask any buster a scrap aint nothing but a grimy pisa outhere not on our level.and the busters been on a hideout aint no grape pickers in fresno that was twenty years ago.get your head blown off out here.and to that dumbfuck talking about bulldog nation doesnt exist.and we still f14 bulldogs and busters on are dick why all you fools got huelga birds that shit came from fresno central valley when we were farmeros so why you fools up north reppin it thats acentral valley thing might as well get a dog on you.fresno gave nf their name you fools couldnt control us tiil this day fuckin tax paying sent on a mission pussies north and south

Anonymous said...

bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay

Anonymous said...

FUCK THE 14 ON F-14.IT AIN'T 14 NO MORE IT'S FB. "FRESNO BULLDOGS." ALL THEM BUSTERS AND SCRAPS AIN'T SHIT HERE IN FRESNO. ESPECIALLY THEM FUCKIN BUSTERS. ALWAYS TALK SHIT BUT WHEN IT COMES TO FIGHTING THEY HIDE OR WALK AWAY. THESE BUSTERS KNOW HOW BULLDOGS ARE. BULLDOGS ARE KNOWN FOR FIGHTING. WE BARK AND BITE. AND ALL U MUTHAFUCKERS TRYIN TO MAKE FUN OF US ABOUT BARKING. WE'LL BARK IN YOUR FUCKIN FACE AND I BET U BITCHES WON'T DO SHIT. SO U BITCHES SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP. TO ALL THEM BULLDOGS OUT THERE, NSF, ESF AND EVEN THEM CALWA DOGS, KEEP YOUR HEADS UP AND KEEP BARKIN AT MUTHAFUCKERS.
FUCK BUSTERS!!!!!!!
FUCK SCRAPS!!!!!!!!
"FRESNO BULLDOGS!!!"

Anonymous said...

Puro Norte Califas, you low life dropout. Puro East Side Via Sol, straight Sunnyvale and San Jo. You'll never see a fucken bulldog here. Stay in your lil dog house in Raisin Town, you mark ass levas!
who the fuck wants Fresno anyway? Fucking hot, smelly and you call nortenos farmers? Take a look around, lil puppy.
All your women need to shave their mustaches too.
Varrio Via Sol, big time XIV Sunnyvale!

VCM said...

how many of you had a set of friends that you chilled with when you were younger? i bet a lot of you did. Did any one make fun of you or put you down....maybe, but did you let that affect you, NO, you just kept on with your life and with whatever it was that you did with that set of friends. And just like us Bulldogs, we are a gang of homies, and we ain't gonna let your putdowns and you bullshit bring us down. were gonna still put in work and do what it is we gotta do!!!!!!! even if it is against the fuckin law, ESF BDS 4 life

VCM said...

FUCK NORTE AND SUR lil busters and scraps

lil SMOKY said...
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lil SMOKY said...

TELL ALL THESE BUSTERS AND SCRAPS WHAT THE WORD B.U.L.L.D.O.G.S. STANDS FOR!!

Anonymous said...

whutis it?Thiz is SUNNYAVLE NORTE VARRIO VIA SOL FUCK ALL YA TRYNNA HATE ON THE NORTHSIDERS WE COME OUT BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE FUCKING BITCH ASS BULLDOGS VIA SOL SUNNYVALE 4O8 FUCK SCRAPZ AND FUCK YOO.NORTE XIV SUNNYVALE

Anonymous said...

Fu@ck All those gangsters... some gay a$$ sucker$... Hell@ Wanna be$...

Anonymous said...

fi4bulldogs stupid learn your history youngsta and fuck you sunnyvale buster saying raisincity and who wants fresno.if it werent for us you fools wouldnt been able to make it.check your murder rates up north aint shit the only ones killings is blacks killing each other while you busters let scraps bang your northern cities that goes to show what you fools are really about and all nortenoes are farmeroes what the fuck you think the huelga bird came from the bay area you fools was on the central valleys dick adopted the bird.we said fuck the huelga bird you fools can have it we rather get a dogg anyways

Anonymous said...

fuck a a mut and scrap and a leva and snitch why you think we got so many ditches dug in the woods nor$cal SK

Anonymous said...

yea thats what i want to know what the hell does b.u.l.l.d.o.g.s. stands for saposable it stands for something but no one ever know what it does stand for

Anonymous said...

the reason Fresno Bulldog(BDS) bark the way they do is because they don't give a f**k. if any BDS brark at you their bacisly reppin on you. In other words leting you know where there from and if you got something to say then, then is the time to say it.

Anonymous said...

god damn i think i just found a website where low life wana be gang members talk shit and try to rep it, if your realy down like a clown your pussy asses would be in jail, all you little ladies need to get your asses a job and quit being a bunch of followers and loosers. As for that fresno U. video i own a copy and the best part is the porno, ahaha a bunch of pussies with guns, and there grand paws, old shot gun, you idiots want to shoot some thing besides bottles join the fucking army and make your ass useful.

Anonymous said...

how can these guys get convicted of somthing from video or pics? havent you even watched a music video, heard a song or visited a weebpage? from nearly every genre, there are plentry of incriminating things, from guns and blunts on a cd cover, to stories of past,present and future murders,having to do with gangs, racism,or just straight up hate.And I'm not talkin about no-name artists either,I'm talkin the mainstream crap, you don't deny it.It reminds me of a quote: "Everyone else was doing it but I take the punishment"


Why are their KKK websites out there with stories and pics of racists murders, yet a chicano cant even say "I'll kill you if you deserve it"

Anonymous said...

the truth is gangs are satons game to keep gang bangers bound ,it a tactic from the devil himself the father of lies,to bring death and distruction to mankind.so again the truth is, if yor gangbanger your getting played by the devil himself in his game.i was bound by satan, a bulldog on a chain putting the bite down against my so called enemies,but gues who was walking me and teaching me how to kill, the devil himself(the true enemy).i was on the raod to death ,i wanted to go right the devil pulled my chain to go his way ,i was bound,liviing a false life . i didnt care for myself or anyone else,i was a gang banger awaiting suicide to the streets of distruction.i was boud to death through drugs,alcohol,sex,living a wicked life. spiritualy i was bound in satans pit ,dark ness all around me ,God called me he said surrender,he was speaking to my heart,i was tired of being tired,i spent my child hood years in group homes, four years in c,y,a , and here i was sitiing in jail(waiting on my setence) to go to prison, i was bound,even to the system.God continue to speak to my heart,surender my son,i asked God why do you want me , im a wicked person,God said because i love you, i sureender my life to jesus.he reach down and pulled me from the pit, the chains and the dog collar came off my neck,Jesus hugged me gave me a kiss on my cheek ,place his spiritualy white garment on me,i was covered by his blood,adopted in Gods family, a born again christian ,salvation was giving to me a gift ,im a child of God,not a dog,not a norteno,not a sureno,not a crip,not a blood, not a gangbanger, not a killer,but a child of God,we deserved death ,jeus my lord died in mine and your place, his blood atoned for our sins,he died to set the(gangbangers) captives free to mend the broken hearts,jesus loves you.he died for you , he was buried, he rosed from death, and he coming back soon.the word says the wages of sin is DEATH but the GIFT of GOD is ETERNAL LIFE in CHRIST JESUS .choose life or death .do you want to except christ in your heart if so repeat this prayer father forgive me from all my sins, jesus i except you in my heart ,i plac my life in your hands, i confess with my mouth and believe in my heart you are lord ,i surender,chage my life and change the desires in my heart to desire the things you desire,amen .welcome to Gods family.in Christ Jesus we have the victory the battle was won at the coss ,now christian soldier take a stand(real men stand up) and place your foot on the devils neck(a defeated foe) ,take back whats yours , your family and brothers life in prayer.GOD WON(the battle is the Lords)

Anonymous said...

In the Hat? what,? Definition of that,straight D.O! Fuckin piece of shit,giving up game online you dont think them boys in flue are lookin at this shit,how you gonna give up game on them thangs(thromps) and the homeboys and those fuckin mutts?! fresno bullfrogs are worse than thromps, but I dont understand how you can speak on polical history like that.

Anonymous said...

BIG BAD NORTE LIKE WHAT, BANGIN ON YOU MUTTS AND THOMPS,BAY AREA REPPIN XIV A FRESNO, ASK YOUR HOMEBOY SILENT(BDS) HOW HE GOT THAT GASH ON THE SIDE OF HIS HEAD, HOMEBOY THOUGHT HE COULD HIT A LINE AND BE COOL,FUCKIN WITH A YOUNG HOGG LIKE ME I LEFT HIS ASS BLOODY LAYIN IN THE DIRT FACE DOWN LIKE THE BITCH THAT HE IS! NSHWD X4

Anonymous said...

man u uys eant shit is all about that X4 so shut da fuck upis all about REDWOOD so shut da fuck up!!!!!!! all about N.R.C

Anonymous said...

All I got To say is that.... I know the stories of how each Mexican Gang came to Be... and I think as a Mexican People we are fools. As a young kid I grew up in many settings... Mexico, paisano setting, and metro-Fresno. I have love for my people in all areas of the country and continent. If Mexicanos dont clique together, we wont survive the ages and will be conquered eventually. Whoever says that latinos are becoming the majority in this country are ignorent and need a rude awakaning. Latinos only are numbered 40 million and an estimated 10 million undocumented are thought to exist among the population. There are 320 million people in the United States. 50 million estimated latinos is a mere 15 percent. 15 percent??? how the hell is that the majority??? The news reports you read are about are put up by top racist officials in the media trying scare whities into kicking us out of the counrty. If you look at it, latinos are separated by nationality already. So there aint even 50 million mexicanos living in the United States, theres only about 35 million. On top of that, were broken up by these bullshit gangs and languages of English and Spanish. What BULLSHiT!!!!!!!! WHO THE FUCK WILL STAND FOR US WHEN RACIAL CONFLICT ARISES IN THE NATION!! ANY MEXICANO WHO CALLS A MEXICANO A WETBACK, SPIK, BEANER IS fUKIN BACKSTABBING SON OF A BITCH!!! IT AINT RIGHT...I DONT GIVE A FUK IF THE MAYATES CALL EACHOTHER NIGGAS... IT AINT COOL!! AND LET ME GET IT STRAIGHT THAT ANYBODY WHO AT ONE TIME HAD FAMILY IN MEXICO IS A MEXICANO... YOU CAN CALL YOURSELF A MEXICAN AMERICAN, AMERICAN, CHICANO, WHATEVER THE FUK...BUT YOUR BLOOD WILL ALWAYS BE THAT OF MEXICO...A MEXICANO... FOREVER!!!! I WONDER WHEN MY STUPID PEOPLE WILL EDUCATE THEMSELVES AND ASK GOD TO GUIDE THERE LIVES AS LEADERS OF THIS COUNTRY AND THE WORLD. THE MAYATES ARE AHEAD OF US BY CALLING OFF THE WAR BETWEEN BLOODS AND CRIPS AND CALLING EVERY OTHER BLACK MAN BROTHA... WERE ARE WE AT??? IF YOU HAD FAMILY IN MEXICO AT ONE TIME IN YOUR FAMILY HISTORY... YOU ARE A MEXICAN...DISREGARD THE OTHER NAMES CAUSE THEY ARE THERE TO DIVIDE US AND CONQUER US... LOVE YOUR BROWN COUNTERPARTS NO MATTER HOW DIFFERENT THEY MAY SEEM. THE BLOOD IS WHAT COUNTS... BLESS THOSE WHO TAKE THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND...BECAUSE IT IS THOSE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO BRING OUR RACE TO ITS FEET. GANGS IS A PITIFUL WAY TO FEEL THAT YOU EXIST AND LIVE WITH PURPOSE...DEFEND YOUR PEOPLE PENDEJOS!!!! WITH PASSION!!! THE WETBACK YOU TALK ABOUT IS THE SAME AS THE MOTHER FUCKER THAT YOU CALL gREAT GRANDPA...FUCK ALL GANGS... WE NEED BETTER...

Anonymous said...

First and foremost, I would like to say that that most of your post stupid, retarded jail bird shit. When are we as people of color going to learn. I am a Black Man not a Mayate. If it wasn't for us (people of color) you would be still sitting in the back of the bus with the rest of the "niggers" yes your "niggers" too in this white mans world. I bet some of ya'll don't know that there are Mexican from Mexico with African blood. Also all blacks aren't the same. Example: Cubans,Brazilians, Dominicans, etc. embrase there African culture. Anyway, for you to say anything about your fellow brothers do your homework. No you don't have frizzy hair or a wide nose, or big lips. (or maybe you do) Neither does all blacks. And for the record we are not indangered species the are "blacks" all over the world. What makes me sick is individuals like yourself thinking your kicking knowledge and ain't kickin shit. The music you listen too whether it is country, rock, rap, reggaetone or oldies was created by black idividuals, so do your homework idoits. Of course I love my race and you should love yours as well but give respect where it is do and stop being puppets of this whitemans world. You make me sick with that racist shit, because your just copying the whiteman. Have you ever wondered why darker Mexican are treated different from the blue eyed blonde hair Mexican when there both Mexican? It's what these white control freaks want. I don't know why I am wasting my time trying to get you idiots to understand something. Read! Learn and Listen. I leave out with this note 100% sure if most Mexican have the heart to be down we their black brothers we WOULD be unstoppable. Most black folks love Chicanos because we help build this country, grew up in the same neighborhoods, it was the black mamas who raised the white american families now it's the Mexican mamas raising these white families. Stop thinking white is right!

Anonymous said...

ENE 14 SK 916 we puttin it down in this mutha fucka yo all u punk ass scrapas that wanna go than come UP to sacramento northern cali bitch ill take you muthafuckas with one hand put a bullet in yo head let the true color run RED essay fuckin putos you aint shit you aint got shit wit cho blue wearin ass this is NORTENO we gonna take over LA and call it scrapamento how chu like that madicone get the fuck outta cali wit that bullshit blue aint even cool its just a fuckin color of the sky and water but when yo punk ass starts bleedin than you will know wut the true color in a person is RED raggin and saggin up in norte cali y dont all you scrap ass bitches take yo dicks outta eachothers mouths and start bangin i mean that by givin us a fuckin challenge we need the practice remember who the fuck wrote this truth, a Norte from sactown i wanna see what one of you scrap ass putos respond to this and make sure you say somthin useful bitch

Anonymous said...

I've seen a lot of riots on the yard and without exception it'll take five scrappers to every buster. South siders have no discipline and won't fight unless they have you out numbered. The northerners show respect and have their shit together. Your right about the border brothers, the other races better give them their respect.

Anonymous said...

Responding to the Man who says he is a black man.... your wrong in alot of your argument. Most of what I said is not jailbird shit... it is truth. Let me make something straight. Latinos & Blacks is not the same. Latinos for the over majority have indigenious blood from the Americas along with small tinges of blood from around the world. Yes, there is white skinned, blue eyed latinos, however, this is a minority and there traits come from the Spaniards. The darker skinned latinos does not put them in the category of Black. It is a completely separate race. The original Mexicans for example were indigenous to the land and had dark brown skin on there own. This happened before Black slaves were brought by the invading whites from Europe. Yes, there are latinos with Black traits, however, they are still latino. Latinos in this modern age are mixed as I mentioned earlier with primarily Spaniard and indigenous blood with tinges of other races as well. So, just cause a latino has Spaniard blood, does that make him white?? NO!!! it does not. The Blacks in America are primarily the ones who were brought to the United States as slaves which breaks it down evenly. Latinos are latinos & Blacks are Blacks such as whites are Whites... Just as the White featured latino is a minority, the Black featured latino is a minority as well. Let me MAKE IT CLEAR!!! LATINOS ARE FOR THE MOST PART ARE AN INDIGENIOUS PEOPLE WHO UNDERWENT HARDER CONDITIONS THAN THE BLACKS UNDER WHITE RULE AND ARE LIVING AS A MINORITY UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS AS THE BLACK AMERICAN MINORITY IN THE UNITED STATES. NOTE I SAID HARDER CONDITIONS.. IT IS TRUTH AS WELL... THE LATINOS WERE SLAVES JUST AS THE BLACKS... IT IS NOT DISCUSSED IN THE CLASSROOM BUT IT WAS EVEN MORE WIDESPREAD THAN IN THE UNITED STATES. BLACKS HAD THE LUXURY TO BE TAKEN FROM THERE HOME WERE THE HEART OF THERE ANCIENT CULTURE EXISTED TO THE AMERICAS... WHILE THE INDIGENOUS INHABITANTS OF THE AMERICAS WERE INVADED, ROBBED, ENSLAVED, RAPED AND WITNESSED THE DESICRATION OF THERE ANCIENT CULTURE AND KNOWLEDGE!!!!! YOUR RIGHT... IF THE MINORITIES WERE TO BE UNITED WE WOULD BE A LARGER FORCE TO RECKON WITH... HOWEVER, WE WOULD STILL BE THE MINORITY EVEN IF EVERY SINGLE MINORITY IN THIS COUNTRY WERE TO UNITE... OPEN YOUR EYES!!! STOP BELIEVING THE ANTI MINORITY PROPAGANDA OF HOW MANY THERE ARE OF US.. ITS FALSE!!! SO SIR... I INVITE YOU NOW TO EDUCATE YOURSELF BEFORE YOU QUESTION SOMEBODY'S THEORY ON RACE... YOUR IGNORENCE ISNT TEACHING SHIT!!!

PS. COUNTRY MUSIC CAME FROM MEXICO!!!!

Anonymous said...

o shit. Country music came from mexico?

Anonymous said...

It would be funny to see some of you guys come down to fresno and say that to the Bulldogs face to face,,,,then ur face will get smashed in,ive been in Fresno for 12 years now and im not a gang member or anything but i think it would be funny to see the fools on here that are talking shit to say it to their faces.

Anonymous said...

OK HOLD ON HOLD ON. BULLDOG THIS NORTE THIS SURENOS THIS. TELL ME WHAT CITY IS ON THE TOP 3 DANGEROUS CITY IN CALI OH WAIT ITS L.A. & FRESNO. SO HOW YALL GOT BALLS TO TALK SHIT ON FRESNO. I GIVE PROPS TO BOTH THEY GOT IT HOLDING DOWN EVEN THO FRESNO & L.A. DONT GET ALONG. I AINT NO GANGSTA BUT I GOT HOMIES FROM SUR & THEY AFFRAID TO WEAR BLUE WHEN THEY GO UP TO FRESNO. THEN WHEN FOOLZ FROM FRESNO GO DOWN TO L.A. & PEOPLE FIND OUT THAT FROM FRESNO THEY ALL OVER THEM ASKING IF ITS TRUE THE BULLDOGS ARE CRAZY. I WAS AMAZED HOW INTERESTED OF HOW SURENOS WERE ASKING THEM ABOUT THE BULLDOGS LIKE THEY WANTED TO BE PART OF IT & THATS ON MY MOM & ON EVERYTHING THAT HAPPEN. THEN THEY EVEN TOLD US THEY AINT AFFRAID OF NO OTHER CITY IN CALI BUT FRESNO HOW ABOUT THAT. I GUESS BULLDOGS R HOLDING IT DOWN. THE ONLY THING I DONT LIKE ABOUT BULLDOGS THEY JUST ATTACK ANYONE EVEN IF THEY DONT HAVE NO BEEF WITH THEM & THEY DONT RUN DEEP CAUSE THEY JUST FROM THE SAN JUAQUIN VALLEY. BULLDOGS R GOING TO DROP NORTENOS FROM THE STREETS IN YEARS COMING.

THINK ABOUT THIS, THEN RESPOND NOT ONLINE BUT IN YOUR LIFE. said...

OK YALL REALLY LISTEN. WHATS THE POINT OF GETTING INTO A GANG. I BEEN THEIR DONE THAT & I NEVER FIND A POINT JUST BECAUSE OF COLORS & NUMBERS & DRIFFRENT TOWN. MAN GO TO COLLEGE & MAKE YOUR LOCAL TOWN EVEN BETTER. STOP MAKING YOUR OWN TOWN LOOK UGLY MAKE IT LOOK GOOD. MAKE IT BE ON THE TOP 10 MOST BEATIFUL TOWN IN THE WORLD INSTEAD OF TRYING TO MAKE IN ON THE TOP 10 DANGEROUS CITY IN THE WORLD. WHATS THE POINT OF THAT ONLY GIVING YOUR LIFE THO A FRIEND JUST BECUASE OF COLORS. GIVE YOUR LIFE TO A LOVE ON OR SOMEONE THAT DIEING OR JUST GIVE YOUR LIFE TO GOD IF YOU WANT TO BE ALL INTO CHURCH. I AM NOT A CHURCH TYPE OF GUY BUT I GIVING MY LIFE TO SOMEONE I REALLY LOVE & CARED ABOUT FUCK THAT HOLE GANGSTA IMAGE U JUST BE SLEEPING IN THE GHETTO YOUR WHOLE LIFE WHILE SOMEONE OTHER LIVIN' THE NONE GHETTO LIFE IS HAVING TIME MAYBE FUCKING THAT GIRL OF YOUR DREAMS THAT UR WOULD OF BEEN WITH IF YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN IN THAT WHOLE GANGSTA SHIT.

Anonymous said...

fuck that shit im a Fresno Bulldog Dickies park i live in Stocktone we coming up in Stocktone real big these busters fighting each other now i dont now what for but thats one way to get rid of them busters is bendejos if we stop fighting for the cause it all be for nothing chale keep riding these rivals love by few hated by many respected by all

Anonymous said...

SCRAPS can never make us MAYATES run, who ever wrote that must have never been locked up! We all know you out number us 3 or 4 to 1 and we still ride on yall bitch as muthaphuckas in the Pen. I seen Nortenos outnumbered but still run up on Scraps and I have seen Bulldogs outnumbered but still run run up on Scraps also. But I never seen scraps outnumbered run up on anybody? Plus yall are afraid to fight 1 on 1 for fear of getting fucked up. Everybody knows that Pimp!!! SCRAPS CAN'T FIGHT!

SCrAPS used to make fun of Nortenos for rapping now look at you. Scraps are all trying to rap now! By the way most of the Oldies, Like DOn Julian and Larks, etc you listen are black homie. Even Brenton Wood!! Oldies is nigger music too Homeboy so recognize.

LOCOCASPER@HOTMAIL.COM said...

FUCK ALL YOU HATERS! IM A SURENO PUTTING IT DOWN OUT HERE IN SNORTHERN CALIFAS NOT GIVING A FUCK! AND ALL YOU FOOLS THAT SAY THE SURENOS FROM SNOR-CAL TRY TO ACT BLACK! THAT AINT TRUE! THATS WHAT THE CHAPETES DO! OUT HERE IN SANTA ROSA WE ACT LIKE WHAT WE ARE...MEXICANOS! ALL THE BUSTERS TRY TO TALK SHIT SAYING NOR-CAL AND SHIT LIKE THAT,BUT THE FUCKEN ESTRELLAS DONT RUN SHIT UP HERE! THOSE MUTHER FUCKERS ALWAYS GETTING BLASTED! SO ANY BODY GOT A PROBLEM CAILE! SANTA R0SA CALIFAS '707' BAY AREA SNOR-CAL BANGING THAT APPLE VALLEY LANE BIG VARRIO 'PSCX3'(PURO SURENO CHOLO)GANG. CHAPETE KILLAS!!! IF YOU WANNA KNOW WHATS HAPPINING UP HERE GO TO:http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060317/NEWS/60317020/1033/NEWS01

Anonymous said...

that must really sucks not being like by no one, if you think about it NO ONE LIKE SCRAPS... Nortenos,Blacks, And bulldogs just dont like scraps cuz scrapz are suckas and thats true about they hard when they outnumbered people but one on one they are some big punks. over here in OAKLAND nortenos and blacks smash on them scrapz 24/7 and then border brothers..... IT MUST REALLY SUCKS NOT BEING LIKED BY NO ONE... even in so cal, they dont get along with each other... that just too funny

Anonymous said...

yall bulldogs stop just please stop..... yall really think yall hella hard... expand then talk shit but yall been stuck in fresno for the longest.. go to L.A.,OAKLAND,RICHMOND,SAN FRANCISCO,SAN JOSE REALLY JUST GO TO NORTHERN CALI OR SO CAL AND SEE HOW LONG YOU LAST THERE...I BET YALL WONT MAKE IT, YALL WILL GET RAN OUT SO QUICK FROM THOSE CITIES.. yall the only ones that are at the farm land not northern cali but yall calling us farmers... thats just too funny.. come to the bay where mulitipel cities had made it to the murder capitol...who gives a fuck about fresno... the only thing fresno good for is for california vegestabels and college other than that FUCK IT... step your game up

Anonymous said...

jamesisaacisjwax@yahoo.com said:
What step up the game? First off this aint no game homie. Second I dont Rep or even agree with tha Bulldogs, but I understand them. Why would they be concerned with "expanding" how can they keep it real if they in someone elses hood? Bulldog will Rep Fresno and only Fresno for life Homie. This James Isaac ~ Mariposa and Mayor. Anyone from the WestSide know. All you sound like is a wanna b and a hater.
oh and by the way I rep wfn and since you probibly aint heard of us, cause we only "real"
Nothing else. Not hung up on some "expanding or being the best cause it aint gonna happen. Were always gonna have our own shit, so learn about it!!!!

B# OLD G said...

fuck those bullfrogs! they pc up in every prison in califas they got nothing on all mighty SURX3!!!i remember back in2002 on d yard in wasco reception hura let them out with us on the yard ! well they got fuct up ! and yhe next day about 70% got pc up! well i speak the true ! even on the st of fresno they dont come out! ITS ALL ABOUT SUR13!!!

Anonymous said...

thats what im talking about, cinco de mayo happen in oakland and them nortenos was puttin work on them bitch ass x3 that surcaca and then border bitches.... nortenos run everything

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Anonymous said...

u think that shit stupid how they bark like perros.saves que puto would u rather take orders from somebody u never ever seenbefore or be independent.let it be

Anonymous said...

fuck mutts they got cut off like the bitches they are and them fake ass south siders can do what they do best run like the track stars they are no wonder theyre so good at soccer....fuck any oppositions who stand in our way....Puto Norte CaLiFa$....

bankrobberbsdtpprx said...

All I know is that when I was out in the federal penetentiary in Victorville, Ca., the Sur-rats had NO balls and let people from ALL groups disrespect them and get away with it. They had no fight fame whatsoever, and could only put in work when they had absolute numerical advantage (e.g. 8 to 1 odds in favor of the Sur-rats).
Anybody that would willingly claim membership in or affiliation to 'La Feme' is a joke with no punchline.

Anonymous said...

Todos Sur-rats se la comen. Pussies extraordinaire. The only reason surenos wear pants in prison is because the administration won't let 'em wear skirts.

New York University grad student with a master's degree in music history said...

To the idiot that said country music came from Mexico, WRONG!!! Country music is a derivative of the Delta blues. It's the blues minus the soul. ALL forms of modern pop music originally came from the blues. The blues birthed jazz, which birthed R&B (rhythm and BLUES), rock-n-roll and white country music, which birthed punk, heavy metal, industrial, rap, techno, funk, and so on. Get a grip, and if you can't, get an education.

bankrobber said...

All I know is that when I was out in the federal penetentiary in Victorville, Ca., the Sur-rats had NO balls and let people from ALL groups disrespect them and get away with it. They had no fight game whatsoever, and could only put in work when they had absolute numerical advantage (e.g. 8 to 1 odds in favor of the Sur-rats).
Anybody that would willingly claim membership in or affiliation to 'La Feme' is a joke with no pucnhline.

REAL FUNKIN HOGZ said...

peep this im 14 years old puttin in work like a mutherfuka.learning from the best to become a hog.all this talk about $craps!fuck $craps!!i remerber as a young ass dog Back in h unit leva ass $craps left criying like the little bitch ass rats they are!!All you $craps and busters shut the fuck up and come tru to fresno!!fuck all this pussylip shit talking!talk is cheap!!
EA$T $IDE FRE$NO BULLDOGS
WI"LL BE WAITING

Anonymous said...

fuck any body talking shit, and don't know how it is...
it's not F14 no more it's BULLDOG! after Fresno State University Mascot,
representing the Fresno Area.
Got lot's of respect for those vatos
cuz they went on there own and hold there own.
and basically said FUCK SCRAPS AND BUSTERS...

Anonymous said...

To record yourself with encriminating evidence is retarded. Wutz up with these new vatos tryin to glamourize the gang life? These are probly young bulldogs trying to act bad ass. These jovenes know nothing of the barrio, respect and pride.

I was born in Fresno, therefore i am a centro califa, pero im no bulldog. I didnt spend much time in Fresno, but I show respect for EFB since its where im from originally and they r real gangsters. I spent most of my time in small towns. Both of my parents were white, hence my nickname "Huero Bravo", but I spent my life growing up in mexican barrios nortes and black hoods. I see myself as a northerner. I was in a norteno gang for along time. Ive been afilliated with nortenos all my life. I know many veteranos in many northeren cities. I speak nuahtl and spanish. Ive spoke spanish since I was 8 and nuahtl and sign language when I was 16. Growing up poor made me identify myself with gangs black brown and white. Ive known people in sureno gangs and NR and even SWP. Ive basically been programmed to go to prison and live the life of my realtives and friends. I recently moved and got out off everything.

Nuestra Familia was created to defend themselves, the farm boys, from the corrupt Mexican Mafia. It succeeded later the f-14 broke off and became independent. But being a n ive seen the corruption in nuestra familia and nortenos being controlled so the generals gain more money for themselves not the cause. Nortenos have forgotten what they r fighting for. Equality. But now we're equal but the fighting remains that made me think. Plus theres no carnalismo anymore your homeboy will rat u out in a second and get or get ur ass greenlighted and do the killing, its fucced up nowadays.

I made 14/13 peace in my new town. I want my people to stop this fighting bullshit. Which it has here anyway. I see a man as a man and respect him for being one.

The eme was started to protect chicano inmates, and the nf was started to protect nortenos, northerners, mostly mexicans from central valley bacc in nfs conception. They both have lost there purpose they both are curropt and both exploit there own people and kill there own raza and kill people in their own gangs, bcuz of greed.

Every person that is in eme or ene gang is an idiot. Why are u letting someone in pelicanbay or san queinten control you and throwing away ur life and making ur people look badan ? Have love for your barrio and remember where u come from but do not let it hold u down. Why do you think that the US government wants to send mexicans back? because all of the bullshit chicano gangs, it just makes it easier for the middle/upper class to fear us. And same thing goes to the blacks.

The whites dont have to kill us or segregate us because we do it anyway. Its all bullshit. Dont ever join a gang if ur thinking about it. It will get u killed. No ifs ands or buts. U will die for ur gang. Im just lucky I could get out of mine.

And to all these people saying efb and puro norte and puro trece u r fuccin idiots. Gangbangers dont have computers. Im an ex banger, and I dont even have one this is my fuccin relatives that let me live with them. And I kno plenty of people in Eastside Bulldogs so say ur name Ill most likely kno who u r. Why are u so called gang members on the computer if your so hardcore u should be out bangin anyway idiots. Gang life isnt cool so dont act like a bad ass on a computer, bcuz u do that shit in the wrong place ull get killed. And most of u r probly white on these comps, ull get ur ass killed for being white walkin thru the wrong hood where nobody knos ur cracka ass.

Im tired of the mayate rappers, they act hardcore but theyre a bunch of pussies. The ones that sell good anyway. Much respect to sum blacc artists tho. Fuck the oness on MTV thats all cracker shit there just like slaves appeasing the white man thru singing and dancing and acting like there gang members with jewlery so the rich whiteboys can copy them and be rebelious.

As to the crip and norteno alliances that is complicated. Nortenos for the most part are all united they show luv to all the carnales cuz they all will eventually b in NF in prison together. As far as the crips they dont give a fucc theyll kill anyone be it a blood or fellow crip. They are more neighborhood oriented, versus part of the state oriented, so if crips and nortenos are in the same neighborhood theyll often ally. So since all enes are united the other nortenos will follow suit. That is why many bloods and nortenos arent allied.

Im not 100% sure y Aryan Brotherhood and La Eme are allies, but its probly because of business. And NF joined BGF bcuz theyre the enemies to AB and NLR. Thats my theory of y its like that.

And to the vato dissin n and s for paying tax, wut u dont? U pay to ur canrales in prison to but u would kno that if u were a real bulldog.

Mayate is spelled like that. My-ah-teh, sound it out thats how its spelled if u kno ur spanish alphabet. Mayate means nigger but in mexico its a little black beetle.

Wut the fucks up woth the surenos callin us sod busters and farmereros?? Your ancestors did the same damn thing. And wuts uup with nortenos callin surenos beaner and wetback, we are all beaners and wetbacks and niggers in the whites eyes. Makes no difference how far away from the homeland we are, our culture, history and color will make us be niggers until we prove to everyone including ourselves that we are not!! That means everyone of a culture that the main pop. of whites are afraid of. They have good reasons to be feared i kno if ur white and u walk down sum of the streets i lived on and they dont know u, u can very easily get killed or at least the shit stomped out of u.

And surenos do call rap nigger music, but there are just as many sureno rappers as norteno rappers. And oldies isnt any better than rap in that respect. It was sung by blacks. All the doo wops and shit u blacc folk should kno white people cant sing or dance.

These gang websites are fuccin ridiculous. No gangbanger needs to go on a comp. to look up info about his or rival gangs. They would get it first hand from a superior and itd b taught by a veterano or og in black gangs.

Who the hell is sayin paisas are gonna take on north on south. Thats not their agenda. They make money they dont care about north or south tho they are kind of allied with surenos.

Ya there is alot of blacc mexican luv in the bay nuthins wrong with it to. The surenos need to stop hatin on all the blacks.

Over all the hating on razas, our own and others shouldnt be happening. We are all people, we hate it when whites discriminare us but we do it right bacc to them and to our own. All the shit talkin needs to stop were no different. I hope that the good people will be able to mov up in this country and get good jobs and get into politics and make a difference so that my grandchildren can live better than I ever will live.

Anonymous said...

TO THAT SCRAPA FROM SANTA ROSA THAT SHOOTER MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FUCKIN SCRAPA BUH HE SHOT AT 14 YR OLD HOMEBOY THAS FUCKIN SAD ON HIS PART CANT RUN UP ON SOME VETERANOS GOTTA GO FOR THE YOUNGSTAS

LIV LET LIV said...

moste hated hfd ca 209 my bad 559 reeds like it spels animuls animuls walking arouwned thay let us run free then lock us back down thay say we dont fit in sosyetys page so thay lock us in cages and fill us with rage the animul traner has a shiny new gun he or her sits hi in ther touwer enjoying ther fun thay brake us down the week ones o bay the ones that will not they kill slowly each day thers more but thats all ile say o gs 4 life aka big boy 559 lokes be ware yungsters its us 114% BUSTERS

Anonymous said...

FUCK THESE $CRAP$ AND BUSTER$.ITS ALL ABOUT THE 3ASTSID3 BULLDOG.FUCK THE POLICE NIGGA.

Anonymous said...

cen cal is the scraps of the the state.so go figga nigga!would a fresno bulldog lick his own nuts if he had any? or eat someone else's shit?you got the true blue kicken up shit ALL over cen cal and nor cal! but you don't and won't! see ANY busters or bullpups stirring up ANY shit down sur! it just won't happen! LOL LOL! you even got wanna bee surenos and even paisas putten the hurt on the norte! so before you nortenos and centraleros start blowing that stale smoke out of your asses, what's REALLY going on CHAPETES? you can always (like always) talk that chigone talk. but FACTS are FACTS!now bring on the talk, i gotta hear what the big bad norte gotta spray, i mean say. "got masa?".

Anonymous said...

isn't a chicano that act's like a tinto called a puerto rican?i guess the nortenos are reppen puerto rico.LOL LOL LOL!

Anonymous said...

All i have to $ay i$ FUCK Everyone and anyone who talk$ down on NORTE!!!!And all u $crapa$ think that ur bad cuz ur talkin $hit over the Internet Run up or $hut up U dirty $ewer rat$!!!!$rapa$ aint $hit e$pecially the one$ 4rm 707

Anonymous said...

SO FUCK ME, SOD BUSTING PUTITO NORTITO.YOU GOT SURENOS,WANNABEE SURENOS, AND PAISAS RUNNING UP ON YOUR LAME ASSES IN YOUR OWN YARD!LOL!LOL!LOL!LOL!I BET THAT FEELS FUCKED UP!BUT OF COURSE I WOULD'NT KNOW BECAUSE THAT SHIT DOESN'T HAPPEN IN THE BIG BAD SUR!WE DON'T THINK WE'RE BAD, WE KNOW WE ARE!HOW MANY CLICAS CLAIM SURENO UP NORTH?HOW MANY CLAIM NORTH DOWN HERE?I REST MY CASE CHAPETE.YOU PUNKS CALL US SERROTES BECAUSE WE ARE THE SHIT!KNOW GO BACK TO SLEEP PUNK BEFORE YOUR MOM TAKES AWAY YOUR COMPUTER PRIVLAGES.

Anonymous said...

SOY SURENO,AND I'M ALSO A HARD CORE OAKLAND RAIDER FAN!TO ME,WIN OR LOSE THERE JUST AIN'T NO OTHER FUCKING TEAM PERIOD!WAS AT A GAME UP NORTH THE OTHER DAY AND IT WAS FIRME KICKEN IT WITH ALL THE RAIDER NATION!THE NORTHERN NATION WAS ALL RESPECT TO US AND US TO THEM.YOU COULD NOT TELL WHO WAS FROM WHICH PART OF CALIFAS AND IT DID'NT MATTER.IT'S A TRIP KNOWING THAT AN NFL TEAM CAN BRING SO CALLED ENEMIES TOGETHER FOR A SUNDAY AND NOBODY TRIPPED EVEN THOUGH THE RAIDERS LOST(SO WHAT ELSE IS NEW.)WHERE AM I GOING WITH THIS?SUR OR NORTE WE ARE REALLY ALL THE FUCKING SAME!THESE NORTHERN RAIDER BROS WERE THE SAME AS THE SUR BROS IN HEART AND BEHAVIOR.FUCK THE S.D.CHARGERS AND THOSE LAME ASS BAND WAGON JUMPERS ESPECIALLY!RAIDER NATION BABY!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

F14 was NF strong hold in 1977 lot of killings in Fresno handlin business not sunny Brooke hood Sunnyvale or San how which one is it talk shit now idiot remember Delano huelgA bird not sunnyfuck ca

Anonymous said...

Your right carnal all the youngsters eveywhere need to be schooled wid out tht things are just out of hand and im youngster too n wat your sayin is right carnal