VALLEY STABBING SIGNALS WAR
You don't usually hear much going on in the SF Valley. But something's about to kick off. Last week a carload of alleged CPA homies rolled up on four alleged Haskell Streeters in broad daylight in the 20000 block of Sherman Way. Fists flew, a knife came out and one Haskell paid the ultimate price for living the life. The usually wrong media attributed the incident to rival tagging crews. Haskell apparently is moving West, and CPA is claiming more streets to the East. Result? You figure it out. Somebody ought to clamp a lid on this before it gets crazy.
Friday, April 28, 2006
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 1462 Newer› Newest»Mayates dont fight or jump anyone.......they throw rocks at the passing ice cream trucks, running and hiding.
ive seen those paleta salesman soccer kick and fuck up some mayates....gacho...
Saw those paisitas fuck up some bald head gangster pendejos trying to collect....soccer kicked those fuckers in the knees....
This is the funnist shit Ive seen.
they should pay illegals to fuck up gangsters for a nice low flat rate....
Offer a $20.00 fee for every gangster they fuck up and soccer head kick ..
In the past, ive seen a number of paisas from mexico fuck up the California based cholos.......
might as well put the paisas into good use before the US deports them.
I be the first to put up $100.00 and rent out your choice of a Smith & Wesson or SIG .45 to a Mexican National to shoot a fucking low life gangster. I wouldn't even think about it twice, but the problem is that they would end up shooting the Minutemen and take the permit to an extreme......
Up next in politics:
United States:
National Guard is placed at the border. National Guard first casuality of Friendly Border Patrolling is killed. MinuteMen are sent home, restricted from the area, or be detained.
Mexico:
Drug Cartel selling weapons for gun battle exchanges with US National Guard. First Illegal Immigrants Killed by National GuardMens.
Canada:
Citizens and Big business are complaining that the US is holding out on Cranberry Juice and apple juice/sauce supplies.
Anonymous said...
Anybodt have any information about something going on between 18th and Culcer City Boyz? There was an incident on Ballona Creek Path yesterday and peeps are tryign to figure out if it's inter-gang or plain robbery stuff.
THE BALLONA CREEK BICYCLE PATH YOU REFER TO HAS TWO HAZARDS. BROKEN GLASS AND GANG MENBERS. WHENEVER THE FAMILY GOES RIDING THERE, WE STRAP - BOTH SIDES, EVEN THE KIDS. IT'S BETTER TO SPEND A COUPLE OF HOURS DOWN AT POLICE HEADQUQRTERS EXPLAINING THAN TO BE NIXED OR HAVE A TIRE SHOT FROM UNDER YOU COMPADRE.
HAPPY RIDING TO ALL.
OSKAR.
This foolio that always caps on the Joe and Don show needs to develop some opinion of his own in stead of the same ol echo -whining about this, "these old fucks, whining about that Don Camote or Cameltoe. That shit is old ese..I bet them old fuckers would whip up on the whiny pendejo, but what for? They sound like they at least got something to say 'cept trukos poking and who's punkin who..This blog's gone to shit, and the Retired Joker is the prime reason.. HAHAHA.. He is'nt gone he walks among us and the fucker's greenlighted.. He'll be stain in no time...
I be the first to put up $100.00 and rent out your choice of a Smith & Wesson or SIG .45 to a Mexican National to shoot a fucking low life gangster
.45 COST MONEY LOCO, YOU CAN GET A BOX OF 7.65'S FOR ABOUT 2 DOLLARS. THE .45'S CAN RUN AS HIGH AS 9 DOLLARS. MAY AS WELL SAVE SOME FERIA.
TO THE LAST POSTER, YOU GOT IT TWISTED ESE, I STARTED THE WHOLE TRUKOS POKE JOKE AND SABES QUE HOMIE, I BEEN DOING OTHER SHIT BESIDES READING THIS BLOG, BUT WHEN I CAME BACK IT WAS THE SAME OLD SHIT, OLNY GAVA HO AND DON CULO WERE GOING AT IT WITH SOMEONE ELSE. THE ONLY CONSTANT IN THIS CHILDISH PEDO IS THEM. THE FUNNY PART IS JOKER TRIED TO DEFEND THEM AND CALLED ME NAMES, YET SOMEHOW IT ENDED UP BEING JOKER THEY FUEDED WITH INSTEAD OF ME. THIS SHIT IS FUNNY AS HELL BUT NOT ENOUGH TO WASTE MY TIME LIKE I USED TO FUCKING WITH THEM FOOLS.
Joker is not I.
JIM
LEtsb be real here. We haven't seen the buster Joker in a long time. His last post said he was gone.
For some reason in their pwn minds, the guys on this board thinks he's still here. I really don't give a rats ass where he is all I know is the names of the fuckheads that are ruining this blog now.
Gava Joe, Don Quixote and All Variations of Truckos, Smiley face, and you know the rest.
OC Half Breed and TJ seem to be the only ones who post anything worth reading.
If you don't have anything to add, then don't post shit talking about others or your conspiracy about others out to get you with different names thats just utterly absurd. Obviously these old fools and young fools are new to the internet and insist on name calling and finger pointing like it will really bother anyone on the other end of the keyboard.
The less bullshit posts we have to sift through the better for us to actually get good info and contribute info ourselves for the subjects at hand. I plead with all you so called Veterano Net Bangers to cease and desist so this blog doesn't get 600 posts of irrelvant garbage pertaining to name calling, finger pointing, culo poking, it just makes you look that much more pitiful as you try and cling to any semblemce of machismo you had 30 years ago or wisj to have present day.
Wally, please post more frequent and have topics that we can expound on. Idle minds create childish banter.
Can anyone plese provide me with a list of all the LA greenlight gangs? I know of Lowell and MV, but what about others? Any info is greatly appreciated. Thank you. -Jose619
AGREED! THIS BLOG USED TO BE TITS! AND HAS SPRUNG UP COPY CAT BLOGS ALL OVER AND NOW THEY ALL POST MORE INFO THAN WALLY DOES!!
PUT UP OR SHUT THE FUCK UP!
As well, what happens to Mongol members in the pen?? Do they have their on car? Are they with the sur? -Jose619
Can anyone please tell me anything on the F13 vs. Rolling 60 drug rip off conflict in South Los? I have not been able to find anything. Thank you. -Jose619
que caca?
ANONYMOUSE SAID:
Wally, please post more frequent and have topics that we can expound on. Idle minds create childish banter.
THASS REAL GOOD THANK YOU TEACHER. EVERY BLOG NEEDS A MODERATOR AND YOU SEEM TO WANT THE JOB..ONE CANT HELP BUT FEEL THAT YOU ARE THE SAME FOOL IN DIFFERENT PANTS OR IS THAT PANTIES? WHO KNOWS? FROM ALL I'VE SEEN SENOR NEUTRAL, SENOR PEACEMAKER, IS ALL THE SAME PSYCHOTIC FOOLIO WITH A WEAK GAME - TOO TRANSPARENT.. REAL QUEER ORIENTED DENOTES AN EARLY RAPE MAYBE IN JUVENILE HALL? ALSO LACKS ANY MATURITY AS REGARDS RELATING TO INMATES, ETC.. SUBJECT PROBABLY WILL EXHIBIT MORE PARANOIA AS TIME GOES ON, PROBLEMS WITH IDENTITY,ETC. EARLY DIAGNOSIS SHOWS A POSSIBLE CASE OF CHILDHOOD TRAUMA BUT WILL REQUIRE FURTHER STUDY.. PRELIMINARY INDICATIONS DENOTE NO ACCESS TO SHARP IMPLEMENTS, ALL PLASTIC UTENSILS AT THIS TIME, AND CONTINUE WITH CURRENT MEDS REGIMEN.. PATIENT SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO CHANGE UNDERWEAR WEEKLY AND RESTRAINTS CAN BE DISCONTINUED DURING THE DAY.
IT IS CLEARLY ORDERD THAT PATIENT MUST IN NO WAY GO NEAR HIS SUBARU AS IT SEEMS TO IN SOME WAY TRIGGER HIS NEED TO DENIGRATE HISPANIC IMMIGRANTS..
45 COST MONEY LOCO, YOU CAN GET A BOX OF 7.65'S FOR ABOUT 2 DOLLARS.
OOPS I MEANT 7.62
THE MONGOLS ARE GREENLIGHTERS THEY DONT RIDE IN THE SOUTH CAR FUCK THEM.
Thanks for the info. So in regards to the Mongols in the pinta, they must pc up, right? -Jose619
One other question, what happens to a black dude who is from a sureno neighborhood when they go to the pen? I have seen pictures on the Clantone.net website and others where there is a negro from a varrio (i.e. 18th street, clanton). Do they ride with the south or do they have to click up with the mayates? -Jose619
when tou post some new shit do one on truckos poking so they can all go their to talk about their poking.
Norwalk One Ways have a greenlight
when tou post some new shit do one on truckos poking so they can all go their to talk about their poking
jose619
I vote and second the Green Volley ball and Green HandBalls to Varrio Norwalk 13 Calles One Ways...
Tell all your SanDiegos homies to take out any fool from NWK13 upon Contact....They only fight with Orange county gangs anyways...so they are not really consider part of LA county.
bang on brain dead mini folk
Anonymous said...
One other question, what happens to a black dude who is from a sureno neighborhood when they go to the pen?
I have nothing tangible to base my answer on, but soley my impressions and notions, and that is that he would have to pc because because in prison Eme's priorities would supplant, displace, and transcend all external principles in play at the local level.
JIM (not Joker)
God Bless.
dont anwser none of that putos questions cause hes probably a police officer trying to get some info,they do that shit now.jose619 is a pig
I am a Police Officer.
JIM ;-)
"Did anyone catch the news about all the mayates, said they were gonna start beating down mexicanos on sight, my primo told me a few paleta sales mens got beat pretty bad, any heard about this?"
So... where is the race traitor mayate defender now? Do you have anything else to say to defend the mayate scum? Greenlight the mayate - each and every single one of them.
I was watching the salinas news and they said that it was discoverd that the Mexican Mafia has a new 5 year plan to take over northern califas They also said that they are sending many soldiers to salinas to start off the plan any other info on this
:)
The MM is too stupid to come up with the concept of a 5 year plan. Anyone with the "concept" of a 5 year plan is some jackass educated chicano or another one of those wannabe gang specialist starting fucking rumors. Believe me when I tell you that there is one in every LE agency (thats from experience).
I know when one dumbass LE motherfucker who got beat up by gang members as a kid and now goes around trying to work hand to hand with these Latino community outreach programs, trying to move himself up the ladder politically via promotion........actually now that I think about it, I know two dumbmother fuckers that got beat up (the second one was black and got beat up by the crips).
Anyways, the 5 year plan is an old historical concept that was invented by politicians and head of states.........
Hilter had a 5 year plan
Stalin had a 5 year plan
and every fucking American President had a 5 year plan
CIA has a 5 year Plan
FBI has a 5 year Plan
shit,
even my dog has a 5 year Plan.
I have a 5 year plan to divorce my wife and find me a new fine ass women!!! maybe a stripper
Just a quick note guy's,
Don't get caught saying "advance planning" (a redundancy), since 'planning' is the laying out of a future course ; therefore "advance" is unnecessary.
Lupita
Que viva Jalisco!
P.S. I really don't think "JIM" and Joker are one and the same?
:)
Maybe a Crossdresser with a glow in the dark strap on....lol
:)
Chivas! Chivas! Chivas!
so what up with the chicano rappers? do they get taxed or what? Are they on the leva, does LE support that shit? And....I have heard alot about nortenos flip flopping to join the ranks of the Sur? Any input on this?
Well Caballeros, I guess I trumped you all, because I have a 1 year plan to get rid of La Tortuga (the turtle, because she walk slow, hunched, and is very nosy), my mother in-law. Oskar (with a K)
CAN ANYBODY DIRECT ME TO A NEW BLOG WITH THE SAME TOPICS , THIS SHIT IS GETTING A LITTLE OUT OF CONTROL ...... WHAT'S UP WALLY????
START A NEW TOPIC , THIS ONE IS NOTHING BUT A SHOOT AROUND.
i got a new topic for you....go suck a donkey's dick and come back with a 5 page summary of specific details on taste and cum clarity.
ive been listening to you complain about this blog,so then quit writing comments and leave.i can direct you to mafia times,is that a start.if you want a new topic then start one yourself.i just dont think your smart enough to.ive seen all your post cause your the one that writes in all capitals.i think your a disease to this site and should just watch and not comment.
"http://www.sendspace.com/file/awtq2n check this video out its a Gang Member from IE Sur Riva Locotes doing there thing"
This has got to be the stupidest, sorriest shit I've seen since Kobe's last basketball game. Who is this fucken clown, I bet the next time he does tiempo he at the very least will be greenlighted for some "soft candy" coming to his culo, if it was my call it would be "hard candy", but I'm retired so I'm just tripping on this bullshit, and yea it probably wont be long before hes back in jail, cause if he just got out hes violating his parole by being with gangmembers, being where weapons are at for staters and he vidiotapes it for all to see, now thats fucken stupid.
Heres a topic for everyone to discuss.News travels fast on the streets and this is the latest.Apparently late thursday night police found a young boy the age of 14,dead,and dressed in his mothers thong and nothing else,in the area of norwalk ,nava st.,the one ways.he was sitting at his personal computer still logged on to a site called ,in the hat.apparently the young boy died from shock when he realized how much of a faggot he was,and got caught by his little sister whacking off to the,in the hats comment feature.discuss amongst your selfs.what the world is coming to now days, a shame
More breaking news.it is also rumored he only writes in capitals,well i dont think the truth can be a rumor.
/ I have heard alot about Nortenos flip flopping to join the ranks of the sur./
What is your basis for that comment?
I really think you are mistaken.I mean think about it.For one the Sur already belives Nortenos are infeirior to the south,so why would they want a bunch of vatos in their ranks that they feel don't even compare to them? Second why would the MM or the sur wany a bunch of vatos that jump ship and join their ranks? They could never be trusted except maybe to get in closer to other Nortenos to put in work on them , but I'm sure those would be aware of the transformers that are switching sides.I just don't see what the Sur would want with their enemies on their side.I have heard the saying "Keep your friends close ,Keep your enemies closer" but thats alittle too close.Not to mention there would be a bunch of surenos with Norte XIV tatted up all over their bodies.
I'm not saying your wrong , but it just doesn't sound plausable and I haven't heard anything like that.Do you have any examples?
Being from up North I can tell you that Nortenos have alot of pride as I'm sure you vatos in the South do too, and we take alot of pride in the fact that we are smaller in numbers.
I would like to comment more on some of the other subjects like the 5 year plan, but I'm already up too late ,maybe tommarrow.
Here we go again people.Read the comments we have to go to post a comment , scroll to the bottom and then read.What's up Wally ? Too much activity for you to keep up with?
Question: If a Puerto Rican from NY is arrested and imprisoned in California, who does he clique up with?
HE WILL CLIQUE UP WITH YOUR MOMMA
RE: Puerto Rican from Ny, ...who does he clique up with?
You failed to mention if the young lad was chaste and pure?
My impressions and notions are that he cliques up with the "Magdalens", or the "Repentant Daughters".
JIM
I almost started to say "Intelligent, Mature Answers Only" but I didn't want to insult anyone. But I'm saying it now. Wow this site really has gone down.
FUCK YOU WALLY!!!!!!
Got word from my primo in the IE,
that SS Colton and WS Verdugo are cliqing up to handle mayates from California Gardens, Delmon Heights Bloods, and The Lil Zion Bloods. Some beef over some dope houses getting robbed, and other beefs in West Valley DC about the dope houses.
"RE: Puerto Rican from Ny, ...who does he clique up with?"
I'm no expert but I have done my share of time in the Califas penal system. from what I experienced it really depends cause we all know that boriquas are just sandblasted niggers, loud, obnoxious, and they leave them little watch springs (pelitos) eveywhere they lay. But most will kick it with the latinos, those who dont habla english kick it with the paisas. I met some good solid Puerto Riquenos SURENOS who were from some of the SOUTHSIDE of CALIFAS firmerest barrios and there sangre runs just as BLUE as ours, by the way for some reason now that I'm a little bit older and retired from the vida loca de un SOLDADO SURENO my sangre kinda turned a different shade of blue, for it is now DODGER BLUE!!
QUE VIVA SUR CALIFAS Y LOS DODGERS
the Clippers se avientaron last night tambien..
Thanks.
My Angels r gonna stomp your cock smokin dodgers this weekend- tambien!
FUCK THE DODGERS AND FUCK WALLY!!!!
THEY'RE ALL A BUNCH OF LOW RENT,
3RD RATE, TEA-BAGGING, BONAFIDE FAGS. THE PROOF IS IN THE TAPE,
GARCIAPARRA JACKS OFF FOR FOR FIVE MINUTES BETWEEN EVERY PITCH. HE CAN SNORT A TURD!!!
I tea-bagged your mother and she complained about my hairs flossing her teeth gaps...
:)
oh yea! you mom has a dick on her forehead, and she thinks she is the last unicorn!
My unicorn dick head mom, fucked your dad in the ass........(there was a lot of blood)
...are these the future contributors to the worlds gene pool??
JIM
Hijo de la chingada! what a fuck fest!!!
All the piror posts have been killer dillers, nothing but masa throwing everywhich way....
tell you waht the shit has truly hit the perverbial fan que no.
But fuck it pura curadas simon,
Anyway I just ordered the Robert Morril book, MM the story.
And plan to odedr Nina Funetes book about the, Nuestra Familia.
Does anybody have an opinion on these books and they compare to Mundo's book?
I know that Mundo just as Gratton turned rata, so is it the same fare.
este pinchi joto tartamudo gets his cachetes spanked and he goes off on a chillando spree. take your meds loco then get back in the alley with those kneepads do what comes natural and get rid of that crank you pinchi nutcase.
holla trukos
tengo grande dethos abla me
Re: above post... "tengo grandes dethos (sic)".
You *also* have an oxygen deficit in your brain cells idiot.
Technically, an idiot has the lowest intelligence of the various types of the mentally deficient, ranking below imbecile and moron, having the lowest IQ, and being incapable of learning connected speech. FYI *dethos* (fingers) is spelled *dedos*).
JIM
Jimmy crack corn and I don't care!
(Jim is a white boys name. Is your name really Jaime, JIM?)
What an embarassing shitfest this has become! Wally pull his blog down and let these morons fade back into the slime. The Golden State deserves better. Chicanos deserve better. Hell, the fucking EME deserves at least a crew that can focus and not perform like all these pendejos with their stupid tangents. There is'nt one of them smarter than that foolio in that video off Sendspace. The chongo with all the tacky placas Senor puto IE sur riva locotes. What a asshole!! And FUCK YOU back ese! Dipshit should have racked that shotgun and shot hisself in la cabeza....Hey World , Bring it on to Wally's blog, there's a real bunch of weenies inside..
"The East L.A. Sheriffs, as well as the larger Mexican-American community, labeled many of the clubs "gangs on wheels," accusations hard to shake because they had once been true. Many clubs that had fallen into that violent lifestyle disappeared altogether, like Gestapo, Sons of Soul and Orpheus, notorious for shutting down the Boulevard entirely--with no help from the Sheriffs--for several weekends..."
East Los Angeles' lowriding scene seemed stagnant on the surface, stifled by the Sheriffs and gangbanging of the early 1970s. But the Movement marched on. Lowriders too beautiful to be risked on Whittier would make their way to R.G. Canning and other large shows, making an impression on young people there.
"When I was growing up I looked forward to shows," remembers "Big Ed" Madrigal, perhaps the greatest automotive metalflake painter in history. "My mom would take me to a hobby shop on weekends, buy me a model and I'd go stay at my grandma's... It all started with models." An enterprising young modeler could save money on the price of admission by showing his work in the show; that's how Big Ed often got in. Lowriders always attracted a lot of attention.
The Imperials were one of the few older car clubs still cruising, they were making their name a long way from Whittier. Armando Valadez' older brother Jesse was causing quite a stir with his '63 Chevy Impala, "Gypsy Rose." The famous Walt Prey, who for years had worked with the equally regarded Bill Carter, had just set up Walt's Custom Studio in Van Nuys and was open for business.
During the summer of '71, Jesse prepped the car for paint and then hauled it over to Van Nuys for the job. "I used to cruise San Fernando, and I started talking to some of the guys, the clubs that had custom paint jobs." Jesse wanted only for the best. "There was Carter and Walt Prey. I got my '63 painted kind of orange with swirls. Then I took it back and said I wanted something different. I wanted a few roses on the car.
They decided on roses, "Mexican style" roses in the style that decorated a local Mexican restaurant. For six months, Walt labored over the '63, painstakingly adding some 40 roses to the hardtop, complemented by a paint scheme in rose-colored tones. The Impala swept local shows with its incredible paint, and was featured in the March 1972 Car Craft Magazine, a rare feat for even the finest lowriders.
But, when Jesse tried to cruise his pride and joy, taking it out on Whittier to experience the time-honored East Los Angeles tradition, tragedy struck. Jealous cruisers took a few bricks to the '63, effectively destroying it as a show car. Jesse was heart-broken, but persevered. He had other ideas for fine rides, although his longing for another flowered Impala would never leave him.
One of the most important lowrider clubs still cruising alongside the Imperials, with their commitment to quality cruisers and numbers that grew throughout the early '70s, was Groupe C.C. The Imperials had dropped to fewer than a dozen members during this time, while the Duke's, still restoring older rides at their shop just south of downtown Los Angeles--"Our specialty was installing lifts on older cars," emphasized Duke's president Fernando Ruelas--had dwindled to include mostly family members and close friends. Groupe, with their strength in numbers, and membership that transcended neighborhood and barrio borders, actually grew strong throughout the lull, keeping the spirit of cruising alive.
Eddie Flores and Paul Varela had never stressed the importance of show-quality cars, although the club was almost always represented at major Los Angeles events. Cars simply had to be clean and lowered, members attending meetings regularly and staying out of the personal conflicts that plagued what was left of the cruise. Their numbers grew to epic proportions throughout the early part of the decade, inspiring other clubs to keep cruising. Then, in 1973, Groupe pulled a stunt that shook East Los Angeles' cruising culture at its foundation.
"We earned an unofficial world record for having the longest continuous line of cruisers that belonged to the same club ever," remembers former Groupe president and UCLA Law School counselor Ed Flores. "In 1973, Groupe met at Selesian High School, and we had drivers cruising completely around the city block bumper to bumper, with another row double parked and even more members looking to get in line. Then, we began to cruise down Whittier Boulevard slowly, hundreds of cars, all members of Groupe. The line went from Brooklyn Avenue [now Cesar Chavez Avenue] all the way past Eastern Avenue and even further than that. Later on, people put the number of cars that participated that day in the hundreds... All I know for sure is, on that day, Groupe became part of the folklore of East Los Angeles."
Many of the clubs that had dwindled to only a handful of active members began to communicate and grow. Former officers contacted homeboys who had returned from Vietnam, or who had wanted to get away from the violence that had plagued the Boulevard. They talked about Groupe's triumphant cruise, about 148 placas sparkling beneath the lights of Whittier Boulevard. Jesse Valadez of the Imperials started making plans for his new '64 Impala. Fernando Ruelas contacted upholsterer Frank Rodella about a new interior for his '39. Word on the street was that lowriding was back.
"Membership dwindled to less than nine members during the late '60s and early '70s," Pharaohs C.C.-Wilmington club coordinator Angel Rodriguez explains. "Then, in 1974, the club became more active again and began to attract new members from cities just outside the Wilmington area, such as Paramount, Downey, Long Beach, Redondo Beach, San Pedro, Carson, Torrance and Lakewood. Instead of having chapters in each of these different cities, the club decided to change its name to Pharaohs-South Bay."
Other clubs had to change their names entirely as they began to join into this new, more cosmopolitan resurgence of the traditional cruise. The East L.A. Sheriffs, as well as the larger Mexican-American community, labeled many of the clubs "gangs on wheels," accusations hard to shake because they had once been true. Many clubs that had fallen into that violent lifestyle disappeared altogether, like Gestapo, Sons of Soul and Orpheus, notorious for shutting down the Boulevard entirely--with no help from the Sheriffs--for several weekends.
Some clubs simply wanted to breathe new life into their organizations, make a break from the past. New Breed Car Club members simply melted down their placas for new ones, new president Alex Vega flying New Trend C.C. colors by 1974. Others reorganized into entirely new clubs, like Brown Breed C.C., which started meeting every Sunday at the Union Gas Station at the corner of Atlantic and Olympic in East L.A.
Whittier had always acted as a cultural crossroads for clubs throughout Southern California, and it was once again alive with fine rides. Veteran cruisers wanted to show off their own customized creations, but couldn't contact enough OG members to come together. So, two of lowriding's oldest, most prestigious clubs decided to fly under a single banner.
New Wave Car Club had become entangled in many of the rivalries that had torn apart the lowriding community, and their plaque was too often associated by East Los Angeles Sheriffs with the violence that plagued the Boulevard. Klique had had its problems as well, but their main rivals, Orpheus and Sons of Soul, no longer existed.
"In 1974, I decided that it was time for a change," former New Wave president Roberto "Beto" Hernandez recalls. "We didn't want to just break up the club, so I figured, well, we hung out with Klique and they were pretty good neighbors. We called a meeting, and I said, 'Look, guys, we're breaking up New Wave and we're going to merge together and become one powerful club.' That's when we re-started Klique, in February of 1974."
Groupe Car Club, after its legendary 1973 cruise, had its own internal upheaval in the summer of '74. Reynaldo "Butch" Martinez was barely out of his teens, but his '66 Buick Riviera was already talk of the town. A natural leader, he put in his bid for the presidency. Groupe had more than 150 members, most of them loyal to Ed Flores, the OG president who had led that victorious caravan, and they re-elected their friend. But Butch still didn't like the way that the club was being run, so he took a dozen of his homeboys, along with some of the finest cars in the club, and started New Life C.C.
The club ordered their plaque and drew up strict by-laws stressing car quality. They began working with police and the community, trying to create a better image for lowriding. Just as they began getting recognition and respect on the Boulevard, tragedy struck. At only 23, Butch, who suffered a rare respiratory disorder from birth, died. His friends chose to bury the club name with him.
For several months, they looked into other car clubs, to see where their own rides would be wanted. Finally, in July of 1975, Tommy "Pooh Bear" started calling all the guys. They met over at the Quiet Cannon, a golf course in Montebello bordering East Los Angeles, and elected Tommy president of a new organization. "Let's get on the right track," he told them. "No car club fees, and let everybody know that it's a whole new club we're in."
They changed their name to Lifestyle Car Club-Los Angeles, and began meeting regularly at the Quiet Cannon, except on rainy Sundays when they would cruise over to the American Legion Hall on Olympic Road. They attracted dozens of new members, all committed to building the best rides on the Boulevard. Six months later, Tommy's father passed away. He was forced to abdicate the presidency, and passed the scepter to a young cruiser with a clean, candied '73 Riviera called "Dressed to Kill," Joe Ray. "Joe Ray's first strategy, once he became president, was to keep the name and build on that," wrote Sal Casillas in a 1978 LRM article. "Lifestyle threw a successful dance that boosted club moral to the sky. Then, by using constructive criticism, he made the members fix up their cars to the bone."
Suggestions of throwing a large lowrider show, something that would give R.G. Canning a run for his money, often met with resistance from older car club members. It might get too violent, it might lose us money, club treasurers would say. Those who gave it a try met with miles of red tape and a bureaucracy not too keen on cars with cut coils. R.G Canning and other major producers retained the monopoly on Southern California lowrider shows. But the lowriding was back, and there was no stopping it this time around.
San Jose was one of America's fastest growing cities in the '70s, the number-one employer in Northern California. Its population had doubled in the past 20 years, thanks to the growth of the computer industry, and resident tech heads were suprised to learn that New West Magazine had ranked their town the second most desirable city to live in the western states.
One of the reasons why San Jose cruisers loved their city so much was for Story and King streets, packed curb to curb with lowriders, newly lifted by one of the many shops that had sprung up throughout the decade. "Northern California was definitely the hydraulic capitol as far as shops go," explains First Impression president Steve Miller, owner of Low Rider Hydraulics. "There were 33 car clubs in San Jose alone in 1977."
Chico and the Man had hit the small screen, and the new Gypsy Rose was bumping through living rooms across America. The show itself was criticized for its stereotypical portrayal of East Los Angeles Chicanos "as buffoons," but that didn't stop it from becoming one of the most popular programs in the barrio and beyond. And, as Jesse Valadez had predicted, the Gypsy Rose was opening America's eyes to lowriding, to the East L.A. community, and to the fine rides that the Imperials Car Club was known for.
Chapter six from Lowrider Magazine's, Lowrider History Book.
The Kid, Angel, Sonny, Hawkeye, Honkey Roy, Red, Eddie "Norwalk", Sugar Bear, Spunky, Jimmy "Pompas", Jesse "Dirt", Big Head Joe, Negro, Boxer, Warlock, Nasty, Hippie Art, Diablo, Crow, Bugs, Black George, Grumpy, Mad Dog, George Mack, Gene, Waffles, Franco, Sada, Bulldog, Marrano Joe, JP, Hercules, Phil, Cyclpos, Creeper, Rocky, Emo, Nick... Good night my homeboys, wherever you are...
JIM Groupe ELA
Good night to all my homeboyz
Dopey,Grumpy,Doc,Happy,Bashful,Sneezy,Sleepy.
Snow White.
Puro Enchanted Forest.
"My Angels r gonna stomp your cock smokin dodgers this weekend- tambien!"
"NEWS FLASH"
I just heard Rick Garcia (CH.11 news)announce, and I quote
"DODGERS beat up the Angels 16 to 3" so like I said earlier,
QUE VIVA SUR CALIFAS Y LOS DODGERS
I read some of that shit about car clubs and you what its all a bunch of bull shit.
In the lowrider artical they say they are not gangsters and denote gang violence, sure they incriminate some of the others like the Sons and shit but in the same breath they call themselves OG's, which as we all know stands for original gangsters, so come on get the shit real.
Car club fools were just that rich boys with money to fix up cars others in the varriio didn't have, or they were disco sissy's always trying to out dance each other.
Sure as with all thigs there were some frime vatos here and there but very rarely did you ran onto one.
:)
Low Ridering Car Clubs always had their difficulties with Drugs/Gangs/Tranporting Drugs/selling drugs/stolen Property...ect...ect...ect...
How do you think most of them maintain a show car that every major modification is running you $15,000 to $25,000 dollars?
The problem arises among the core of the organization on either voting out the person or just straight kicking them out of the car club. Within this scope of problems, a second problem arises when you have members with the mentality of beliving they are still bangers. Car clubs had historically faced problems going into other cities and starting a feud due to one or two of the club's shitheads and relative(s)(females and males). Today, there are car clubs out there that, I would consider....95% dirty and connected with ciminal activity. Then, on the flip coin, there are car clubs with 5% that are dirty and the rest pretty much living normal family lives.......
The history of car clubs in LA has a nicer era in the early 60s....before New Wave.
Go back to New Generation/New Movement then to the next generation of Latin Lords....ect
:)
wow......like 5 years ago I talked to this older vato around 62-65 years old that said he got deported to Tijuana in the early 70s. He had a clean 38 ride stored up at his mechanic garage with a name plate in the back window that said , "new movement"
I thought it was something he created.....
tony,ELA
THAT ARE A LOT OF CLUBS OUT THERE THAT NEVER GET MENTIONED....POLITICS...
I think THERE are alot of clubs that don't get mentioned also.
probley politics.
Barry Bonds = 714
Fuck your comments
"My Angels r gonna stomp your cock smokin dodgers this weekend- tambien!"
"NEWS FLASH"
Game 2 final score
DODGERS 8 Angels 4
Get out the brooms it looks like the DODGERS are going to sweep this freeway series.
I just heard Rick Garcia (CH.11 news)announce, and I quote
"DODGERS beat up the Angels 16 to 3" so like I said earlier,
QUE VIVA SUR CALIFAS Y LOS DODGERS
Any of you "OLDTIMER lowriders" remember a car club out of EL MONTE called "thee VINCENTS" they were a small club but always wupping on EMF...
I remember the vincents. didn't they have a five year plan?
que viva dudes,where da party at.can i get a what what.holler at your boy
"I remember the vincents. didn't they have a five year plan?"
Yea as a matter of fact if I recall correcttly there 5 year plan was to wait til you turned 18 years old so then they could take turns fucking you in the ass and not get into a wreck by messing with minors, but in the mean time I think your baldheaded, toothless mama was giving them gum-jobs at the train tracks (hobo junction) right behind the Legion Stadium you know the spot, I beleive thats also where you were conceived...
touche homeboy....
I got no responce to my question about the sameness between the books, mundos, mmthe story, nuestra familia, rise and fall.
no one knows?
TO THE PENDEJO SAYING NORWALKS ONLY FIGHTS WITH ORANGE COUNTY GANGS IS ARTESIA,CARMELAS,REDONDO,204 ST,PEACEFULL NORWALK ARE THEY IN ORANGE COUNTY STUPID?
Anonymous queried:
"Anyway I just ordered the Robert Morril book, MM the story.
And plan to odedr Nina Funetes book about the, Nuestra Familia.
Does anybody have an opinion on these books and they compare to Mundo's book?
I know that Mundo just as Gratton turned rata, so is it the same fare."
Well, someone's wasting his money bigtime.. Better to make a contribution to Special Olympics than send your funds to the parasites that capitalize on the writings of these fucking turncoats..
Or was your "sincere" question just a ruse to pull Tijuana Jailer into this pedo thereby lending credence to the shitfest you pigs have been wallowing in?
No matter, no substance. Just like the lives you vermin live. The crime is only that you occupy any space at all and contaminate the environment by your presence.
Incidently your question did'nt make any fucking sense. You need to re-read your drivvle before you hit post.. You may see yourself as others see you: just another stain on the planet..
So many of the prior short, bairly intelligible posts share a prediliction for "gonad talk"? We all know that usually means the notorious norteno, the closet perv, the buster claiming, no begging SUR indentity, is in our midst again?
Fuck him where he breathes, and if you ca'nt find the hole, make several!
Thanks for reading this, now find a topical clip to post. One that some qualified writer put down so you could try to understand it, and walk away from your "paste job" feeling like you actually have a life...
Goodnight MM (Mexican Midgets) and all the less qualified of their minions, the teeming masses that clamor to emulate them because they have no other reason to draw a breath..
hahahahahahahahahahahhahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!the world is mine.you peeons have no reason to live cause you post drivvle on this meaningless sight.your lives are worthless,hahahahaha.oh wait im on this meaningless sight too so i guess that means im just as worthless as everyone here,and taking my useless time to read the post,so i geuss that makes me just like everyone here.i've now come to that realization.
Anonymous said...
"The simple fact is that the areas where the mayates live are the unsafest of them all."
"UN-safest"? What would be your point? The bottom line is, both neighborhoods are extrememly dangerous. Outsiders, even like- raced outsiders, can certainly expect harrasment, if not downright violence.
Neither East Los or Compton are "Safe". Diamond Bar is safe. Hermosa Beach is safe. East L.A. and South Central are poverished war zones.
Again, for the third time, dance in the streets and celebrate the fact that East L.A. actually has less murder per capita than South Central, if it gets you through the day. But ask a mother of a slain kid from East Los if she spends a great deal of time soaking in the safer-than-the-black-area crime stats of her neighborhood, as you do.
"It takes a real blind eye to look around and not see how badly the American mayates have screwed things up for themselves (even with the handouts from self-hating whitey) as well as everyone else."
Goes to show what a racially bias establishment and criminal justice system can do...
"Yes. I love it. Blame the Republicans."
Will do; Along with Democrats that turn a blind eye to urban poverty.
"You either must be a mayate yourself or a DNC fucking plant."
Yeh, anyone who doesn't agree with your racist drivel is either a Black or a Democrat...
"To the politicians, race is irrelevent except where they can use it to race-bait. The most important thing is the size of the pocketbook. You want clout with the DNC or RNC... donate money to them and you will have your voice heard."
Yeh, that Abraham Lincoln; Fucking race baiter...
You're pathetic, and clueless.
"Tell us... Fifty years of handouts to the mayate from the Democrats in the form of housing, welfare, hiring preferences, etc and where are the mayate today?"
Right where White conservatives want them; Out of their neighborhoods, with as many of them in prison as possible.
"They are a monolithic voting bloc, sitting on their lazy asses with a hand out for the next fucking welfare check."
Just like most second generation, big business heirs who run their daddies businesses into the ground and cry for a bailout, and usually getting it.
"John "skiing at Aspen" Kerry could have dumped a load into the open mouth of the corpse of Rosa Parks and the mayate still would have voted for him."
Your John Kerry scat fantasies aside, Blacks actually voted Democrat in lower numbers in 2004 than what they had in previous elections, with Republicans getting an increase in Black votes. This is due to John Kerry taking advantage of their vote and flying over their districts.
"It is difficult to say if this lack of intellect comes from the way in which the mayate were bread or if it comes from decades of ingrained training from their white masters to expect handouts,"
You left out 300+ years of slavery and a corrupted justice system that, to this very day, gives Blacks far tougher prison sentences for the same crimes that Whites commit.
"but in either case the mayate experiment has been nothing but a failure."
"experiment"?
That comment puts you right into the likes of Adolf Hitler. Have a nice day, racist scumbag. Your credibility just went down the drain.
I love it when you Anonymouses get on here and talk all your masa ( Even about other Anonymous commentors ) but you don't have the huevos to put a name.Your comments don't really mean shit Mr.Officer if you can't even put a name to your sorry ass comment. And like the Anonymous under you said . Your on here commenting on how we're scum bags and our true crime is taking up space.That makes you worse than us cause you actually get some form of entertainment by reading what we have to say and then commenting on how stupid we are.On second thought if I where you I would remain Anonymous too !
Hi Tony,
You said you had talked to an older vato, that got deported to Tijuana in the early 70's, and that he had stored a clean 38' up at his mechanic's garage, with a name plate in the back window that read *New movement* and that you thought it was something he had made.
I don't know if we are communicating about the same people, but here goes as Don Q would say...
In the middle 1960's growing up I remember seeing an innumerable amount of NEW MOVEMENT plaques in the north end of the San Fernando Valley. These homies from the city of San Fernando configured one sizable club with fine-looking, "finicky" rides. They along with the THE GROUP (also San Fernando homeboys, but no association with east L.A.'s Groupe) were two of San Fernandos biggest and most desirable to be in clubs. Being a small town, compared with the periphery of east Los Angeles, I think one can argue that San Fernando fielded much more than their share of stunning and captivating rides, painted in blendings, mixes, and fusions of candies, pearls, metal flakes, and solid enamels. However, for the most part the average Joe just had a clean bitch'en lowered ride on 520's or 560's, with deep dished Crager's. An abundance of these club members worked just six miles south of San Fernando at the GM plant in Van Nuys, making decent wages as a UAW's, and so here you had literally scores of these young vato's (whom you now address as dad) in their late teens and early twenty's having the financial resources not only to buy brand new Impala SS's and Riviera's, but to then having them taken to get painted at Carter's or Walt's in Van Nuys. These cars were driven everyday and looked every bit a show car. I want to be fair and mention two other clubs from San Fernando, the UNISONS (a conjoining of united sons, as they were GI veteranos) with older middle twenty's members, and the MIDNIGHT BREED. These smaller yet no less appreciable car clubs arguably had even nicer rides per than the two aforementioned. And as Don Quixote mentioned in his nice piece about the El Monte Legion Stadium, one definitely would see a colossal and lengthy line-up of shorts (cars) outside a dance, big party, wedding, or reception, and for a green-horned fourteen year old who's spending the weekend with cousins in San Fernando, and seeing your first new 1967 candy apple red Riviera, lowered to within inches off the Boulevard, and with something called *a sunroof* opened, and full of gorgeous, beautifully painted young ladies, while outside - two big, hulking, black mustached vato's talking to each other holding beer's and wearing these formidable dark navy blue jackets emblazoned with large silver embroidery in old English spelling out MIDNIGHT BREED - SAN FERNANDO, is quite impressionable for a young Mexican kid growing up in sleepy white/ Jewish Sherman Oaks, on the south end of the SFV. Now I have to make my trek to Carrillo's in San Fer, they make the best menudo in the valley and if someone knows of one better please give me the heads up. Everyone have wonderful morning.
JIM
JIM = Joker Is Menudo
What does menudo have to do with the smog in LA?
San Fransico Chronicle
Washington -- The current migration of Mexicans and Central Americans to the United States is one of the largest diasporas in modern history, experts say.
Roughly 10 percent of Mexico's population of about 107 million is now living in the United States, estimates show. About 15 percent of Mexico's labor force is working in the United States. One in every 7 Mexican workers migrates to the United States.
Mass migration from Mexico began more than a century ago. It is deeply embedded in the history, culture and economies of both nations. The current wave began with Mexico's economic crisis in 1982, accelerated sharply in the 1990s with the U.S. economic boom, and today has reached record dimensions.
It is unlikely to ebb anytime soon.
Que bueno! El Mexicano no cruso ninguna frontera, sino que nuestra frontera se fue movida!
Entiendez Mendez? O te exlpico Federico?
En Ingles esto se llama, poetic justice.
JIM
A surge in the number of volunteers fanning out across Arizona's southern deserts to aid illegal immigrants is expected this summer.
The increase comes despite the ongoing prosecution of two volunteers arrested last summer on federal charges they intentionally conspired to transport illegal entrants, leaders of illegal immigrant aid groups said.
Shanti A. Sellz and Daniel M. Strauss, both 24, were arrested as they drove illegal entrants to a clinic on July 9 and face trial in October.
Leaders of two faith-based groups, No More Deaths and Samaritan Patrol, say they've signed up hundreds of volunteers to deliver food, water and medical aid to migrants illegally walking into the country from Mexico. No More Deaths alone has 500 registered volunteers, up from 300 last summer.
A third group, Humane Borders, puts water tanks in areas frequented by illegal migrants.
The groups are trying to reach an agreement with the U.S. Border Patrol spelling out legal ways they can provide humanitarian aid to illegal migrants.
The biggest issue is what to do when volunteers come across migrants they believe need immediate medical attention, the same situation that Sellz and Strauss contend led to their arrests.
No More Deaths legal adviser Margo Cowan said she's presented a draft agreement to the U.S. Border Patrol spelling out how to deal with similar situations.
Cowan said her group is looking forward to "a good working collaboration with the Border Patrol this summer," and Border Patrol agents will attend No More Deaths training sessions.
JIM
gratton like mundo mendoza terned rat and the eme like nf bla bla bla.
no puto not like eme, or sur, or la.,, eme mundo, la, sur, are all larger than life in the history of prison and street life and norte is not even in the same league. don't hook yourself up or try to relate cause it ain't gonna happen.
not when you look talk act like pinacates and talk like
whasup nigga i be busten on da freak and huh big ol pussy be rappen so i down wit it nigga an ya'll be dope niggaz
you fake mexicans come on down to the real varrios and talk that shit and see wasup
Wheres that sonsorron who was saying the Angels were gonna do something this weekend?
Final score
DODGERS 7 Angels 0
Sacan las escobas cause the Angels got swept at Chavez Ravine.
I repeat:
QUE VIVA SUR CALIFAS Y LOS DODGERS
"not when you look talk act like pinacates"
Pinacates thats funny I aint heard that in a long time, damn there is some real OG's on this blog, sure wish they had something to say cause there aint nothing in here but a bunch of batos talking masa, I'm guilty myself sometimes but you cant help it, its like when somebodys giving a camarada carilla down the tira, tienes que meter pata de chivo tambien..
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The Mafia Times blog is shit. They only have two post with about two comments and all that shit has already been said right here.
WE are the ones that control the content in this blog.
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From Matt Garcias book: "A World Of Its Own"
Book Review by Mark Guerrero
El Monte Legion Stadium was another hot bed of rock & roll, r&b, and "Eastside Sound" and Chicano bands and singers. It had originally been built in for the 1932 Los Angeles Olympics to house wrestling matches. The audiences at the venue were racially mixed as were the musical artists. You had blacks, whites, Latinos, and Pacific Islanders partying together. That's not to say there wasn't the occasional fight. East L.A.'s pioneering band, The Romancers, were a house band there for a time. Rosie & the Originals of "Angel Baby" fame also performed there often. There's lots of information about Rosie Hamlin, who had a Mexican mother and Anglo father, including where she describes the gender discrimination that she and other female singers endured from promoters during this era. The book also describes the pachuco/cholo culture at El Monte Legion Stadium. The low rider cars they drove, the Sir Guy shirts and khakis worn by the teenage boys, the way the girls dressed, and the social behaviors. A very important point is brought up in the chapter that I hadn't known or realized. That early rock & roll promoters realized that the main market for rock & roll at that time was the teenage market. The city of Los Angeles had very restrictive laws against teenagers congregating anywhere, let alone at dance venues. So the promoters found venues in the unincorporated areas of the county and outlying suburbs where it was possible to have teenage dances. Aside from some night club venues, church halls, local armory auditoriums, and high school gymnasiums were used. This later gave rise to the East L.A. teenage music scene of the sixties which made the golden age of East L.A.'s "Eastside Sound" possible. In East L.A., we had St. Alphonsus Auditorium, the Montebello Ballroom, the Big and Little Union Halls, Kennedy Hall, and many more.
JIM
SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I ENJOY READING ALL THE BACK FORTH BETWEEN DON CULOTE AND GAVA HO (I FIRST CALLED HIM THAT) AGAINST THE BOARD. ITS ENTERTAINING TO SEE THEM RUN TO AND FRO, BACK AND FORTH, UP AND DOWN TRYING TO STAY AFLOAT IN THE MASA CONTEST GOING ON HERE. THEIR PET LOP IS TOO LAME TO EVEN MENTION ANYMORE. ANYWAYS DONT GET IT TWISTED DON COMALETOE, IVE MET GENUINE BONAFIDE M'S, AND I STILL VISIT THEIR FAMILIES. IN FACT, MY PICTURE IS UP ON AN ALTAR OVER THERE.
ITS NOT THAT WE DONT HAVE STORIES TO TELL, ITS THAT SOME PEOPLE JUST SHOULDNT BE MENTIONED.
NOW THE DEDO STORY I BROUGHT THE BLOG WAS TURNED TO SHIT BY CULOS LIKE YOU. I BROUGHT THAT STORY TO THE BLOG AS AN EXAMPLE OF THE FUCKED UP SCENE LIFE IN GANGS IS. I TOLD THAT STORY TO DETER WANNABES LIKE YOUR PET FROM THINKING GANGS WERE COOL. YOU TWISTED IT INTO A ATTACK ON THE NORTH. SEE YOUR HYPOCRISY.
I'LL LEAVE IT AT THIS, I DONT KNOW WHERE ILL BE WHEN IM YOUR AGE , BUT I SURE AS HELL HOPE ITS NOT ON THIS BLOG TALKING SHIT.
P.S. YOU STILL HAVENT EXPLAINED THE ATTACKS FROM THE SOUTHLANDS ON YOU. MAYBE YOUR ATTEMPTS AT HAVING NORTHERNERS ON THE BLOG CHECK ME WOULD HAVE WORKED, IF YOU KNEW YOURSELF BETTER.
TAMBIEN,
THERES A NEW ARTICLE ON THE M COMPROMISING THE CDC ON GOOGLE
Good post Jim, but I have to take exception to a couple of points the author made.
First of all as I mentioned earlier the El Monte Legion Stadium was a very historic local venue and a bookmark in LA Chicano history due to it's being one of the very few places where Chicanos could party and gather in those days other than "house party's". or "Boda's" and Velorio's. Contrary to what the "author" say's (and it may be due to his being from a younger generation) there was no venues like "El Monte" in LA except maybe the "Union Hall" or for the young "Hunter Hancock's dances at "Hollenbeck Junior High" and those places could be very dangerous due to varrio location (Union Hall was a Florencia 13 stronghold and "Hunter Hancocks" was a "Primera Flats" and mayate "Aliso Village controlled local).
Also "Rosie and the Originals" were in my opinion way overated and their record of "Angel Baby" was minor league compared to other great artists we heard at the "Legion" like the "Penguins", James Brown, Jimmy Reed, Jesse Belvin, Moonglows, and others too numerous to mention.
Another error by the author is that the "El Monte Legion Stadium" was a place where all the races mixed and partied. Yea there was some small mixing of races I guess but in those days at El Monte the Chicanos and the culture ruled. And any mayate or gavacho who got out of hand there would be severly corrected and de voladas.
I can still recall clearly a scene when during a performance by "Richard Berry" (Have Love will Travel" and the original "Louie Louie") and I was up in the bleachers looking down on the crowd, and there was a big Mayate who went up to an old "Pachuco looking couple" and sticks out his hand and ask's the "tatted up, ratted up hair, angel blouse wearing pachuquita to dance.
They both just stared at this mayate like he had shit on his face. After a long silence this mayate said something to them and the vato just clocked this maya about ten times in a couple of seconds. When the mayate started to go down the "chuquita" started throwing "patada's" at the maya!
The police broke it up and threw out the negro only!
That was the way it was in those days. That kind of shit could be a death penalty offense.
But no there wasn't a lot of "mixing" then, if you were a Mayate or even a Gavacho you had better "Step light" and then you would probably be OK.
PS by the way some of the members of various "house bands" at El Monte Legion Stadium besides "Handsome Jim Balcomb and the Masked Phantom Band" were the "Salas Bros" of Tierra fame (from Lincoln Hts.) and "Frank Zappa" among many other now well known performers.
Mr A, etc. said:
SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I ENJOY WRITING ALL THE BACK FORTH BETWEEN MYSELF AND ALL MY OTHER PERSONALITIES, DON CULOTE AND GAVA HO ( I SPECIALLY ENJOY HIS POSTS) ITS ENTERTAINING TO RUN TO AND FRO, BACK AND FORTH, UP AND DOWN TRYING TO STAY AFLOAT IN THE MASA CONTEST GOING ON HERE.BUT I THINK I'VE DONE OK. MY PET TRUKOS IS TOO INVOLVED ELSEWHERE TO EVEN LOG ON HERE ANYMORE. ANYWAYS DONT GET IT TWISTED ALL MY BROTHER BLOGGERS IVE MET GENUINE BONAFIDE TRANSVESTITES AND I STILL VISIT THEIR FAMILIES. IN FACT, MY PICTURE IS UP ON AN ALTAR OVER THERE.
It feels all warm and fuzzy to know what a tight family we are here, LMOA.. It's a real pleasure to see the t-pilot, mr A, Dr jerkyll, mr hide, and all the rest of the phantom's entities has fessed up to how he feels and has opened the door to some healing..
From my rocker, between tokes of oxygen i really enjoy your posts from the El Monte Legion.. I had occasion to see many of those acts at the Blue Notes in Stockton. James Brown, Ben E King, The Shirelles,Percy Sledge..Little Anthony. Ike Turner revue before Tina..? and the Mysterians.. haha just thru that in.. Actually the oldies kinda pretty much bore the shit out of me..Give me a 40 minute Grateful Dead jam from the Fillmore stage, a spliff a beer and some patchouli-smellin, wide-eyed hippiechick in paisleys and dripping post adolescent hormones.
Keepin it legal-------------GJ
Hey the shit on the el monte shit was good, but does anybody, I mean ANYBODY have some new shit on the eme or crime or gangs or any interesting shit like that.
If so please come through for us......
Mr. Gava Joe,
I forgot to thank you for the designation "green horn", that I liked and used on a recent post. We will all have to caravan out to Kansas and visit someday!
In any case, like O C Half Breed said, I hope this is better than the name calling...
The far off land of Vietnam had become suddenly much more real as the decade of the 1960s cruised to a close. The draft had been enacted to fight in these far-off jungles, pulling lowriders off the boulevard in ever greater numbers. At home, the Chicano Movimiento was stirring things up on campuses across Aztlan; the Civil Rights Movement was making gains across the country.
Like the word "lowrider," originally an insult aimed at cruisers too cool for stock suspension, Chicano had always been used as a racial and class slur. Thought to mean "poorest of the poor" in Nahuatl, the tongue of the Aztec empire, young Mexican-Americans embraced the term as a symbol of their defiance.
These self-proclaimed warriors for the Movimiento proudly used the word at the first National Chicano Student Conference. "El Plan de Santa Barbara" became the mission statement for hundreds of fledgling Chicano, Latino, Hispanic and Mexican-American organizations scattered across Aztlan. The lines of communication were forced open by these young, idealistic militants, and a concerted effort to liberate the Chicano people, before an impossible dream, was finally realized.
Some of these Chicano students, at the prestigious University of California, Los Angeles, unearthed an August 1967 report by economist Frederick Sturdivant entitled "Business and Mexican-American relations in East Los Angeles." The graph and data-heavy report proved what many East L.A. residents had sensed all along, that area merchants, especially those who lined Whittier Boulevard, were economically exploiting the local population. It also linked the heavy policing of the area, done by Los Angeles County Sheriffs rather than local officials, with the protection of these businesses.
"Whittier Boulevard, because of its heavy commercial concentration, is heavily controlled. The exploiters' property must be protected at all costs!" La Raza Magazine, among the first publications of the Movimiento, did not mince words, translating the economist's findings into the language of the streets. "These same exploiters do not live in our community. They only come in to charge high interest rates, take our money, and invest it in their communities, thus resulting in a 'money and investment loss' for our community." The irony apparent to these students, many of whom hailed from East Los Angeles, was that these were the very businesses accusing cruisers of being "outsiders," evidence enough for Los Angeles Sheriffs to pull over and arrest the young lowriders.
"It's a lie. It's an excuse. The real outsiders are the merchants," replied Chicano activist and part-time lowrider Carlos Montes. "I used to cruise in the mid-'60s. Most of the violence that I saw was police beating cruisers. It got so bad that in '68, we held a rally on Whittier Boulevard to protest the violence."
On the evening of July 3, regular cruisers noticed many new faces on Whittier. They were Chicano, certainly, and some even drove serious lows that would have done any lowrider proud, but these were not the usual cruisers that car club members were used to. These hardcore lowriders couldn't help but notice the protest taking place, and many honked or scraped in support of la Causa. "The Boulevard belongs to Chicanos! Quit harassing us!" The young protesters shouted and paraded their signs, emboldened by the approving nods of local lowriders. But what was to follow made many of these more blue collar Chicanos feel used, betrayed by the Movimiento.
As the night gave way to early morning Independence Day, hungry protesters made their way to one of the many taco stands serving cruisers carne asada. County Sheriffs decided that this was the time to move in on the out of place students, fingering their billy clubs eagerly as they surrounded the group. Some of the students resisted. A fight broke out. Within minutes, tensions already present among the different car clubs began to escalate, and the Boulevard erupted in violence.
The wail of sirens was punctuated with the sound of shattered glass. A brick wall, torn down by the protesters, became ammunition for the otherwise unarmed students. The windshields of cop cars and cruisers alike were smashed, many fine lowriders damaged in the fracas. The window of Woolworths was taken out, followed by the storefronts of loan and insurance companies, department stores, markets and liquor stores, some, Chicano owned. And then, the boulevard began to go up in flames.
The chaos that ensued was too much for even the street-hardened Sheriffs, and reinforcements were called in. Fresh from putting down the Isla Vista Chicano Demonstration at the University of California, Santa Barbara, the Special Enforcement Bureau knew what to expect. The acrid stench of tear gas confused cruisers trapped in the legendary gridlock of the weekend Boulevard. Hundreds of young Mexican-Americans, protesters and lowriders alike, were taken into custody, several claiming to have been threatened, beaten and illegally held by overzealous officers.
Many were thrown into the East Los Angeles Station, where six Chicanos had "hung themselves," under suspicious circumstances in previous months. This was far more serious than the equipment violations and altered suspension citations that cruisers were used to. For the next three nights, Raza rioted on Whittier, and blame was placed squarely on the shoulders of the car clubs.
Already criticized as "gangs on wheels" and worse, this left a bad taste in the mouths of many lowriders. "We heard that they wanted to close Whittier because of the riots, people breaking windows and stealing whatever they could steal," recalls Roberto "Beto" Hernandez, then the president of New Wave Car Club. "It wasn't right because they were doing all the damage. We wanted to cruise Whittier and we weren't breaking the law. Sure, we backed the Chicano Movement, but not the violent stuff. We wanted no burning down of buildings, businesses, gas stations or things like that. But, that's the way they wanted to do things." New Wave members and other lowriders tried to find their own way to keep the Boulevard cruising.
"Eventually, we still got together with about 80 cars and parked at the Sheriff's Station. We protested; we had signs that said, "Don't Close Our Boulevard!" "Don't Close Whittier!" They closed it anyway, so we went from Whittier to Atlantic, to Third Street and to Legg Lake Park." From 1968 until the middle of 1969, lowriders were kept clear of the Mecca known as Whittier, and cruisers couldn't help but blame la Causa.
Empowering the Lowrider Movement
Despite this first, difficult experience with the Chicano Movimiento, many lowriders soon began listening to what these students were saying. Lowriders, even those old enough to regard the word Chicano as the ultimate insult, began to accept or even use the term. Cruisers who had made it into college returned to Whittier armed with facts and a focus that impressed their hard working homeboys.
They explained that lowriding was a right, protected by the Constitution of the United States of America. The Right to Peaceful Assembly, the Right to Free Movement and the Right to Free Speech were all part of the Bill of Rights, written by the nation's founding fathers to protect all of America's citizens, no matter what their last name, skin color or language. Moreover, these young community leaders pointed out that the taxes that a lowrider paid, taxes attached to every aftermarket item used to dress up their rides, every mouthful of food purchased from a sidewalk taco stand, every ticket they paid for equipment violations, were used to pay the salaries of the officers who harassed them and to maintain the streets they were not aloud to cruise.
Perhaps most empowering of all, they brought to the streets the concept of Aztlan the idea embraced by Chicanos throughout the American Southwest that the land that they cruised was land they had a historic right to. "Aztlan is supposed to mean 'the land of the blue herons'... According to tradition, Aztlan is in the region where four states, Utah, Colorado, Arizona and New Mexico meet,'" wrote Lowrider Magazine publisher and former New Breed Car Club member Sonny Madrid, who explained that the mythological homeland of the ancient Aztecs was more than just legend.
"To believe in Aztlan was something heavy. If you flew the flag of Aztlan, you were proclaiming the independence of the Chicano. If you believed in Aztlan, there was no such thing as a wetback. "We are not a minority!" was a saying that captured the essence of Aztlan. To believe in Aztlan was to rebel, to tell the gavacho, "we are not culturally deprived or disadvantaged," somos Raza, puro Raza."
Even the most stubborn cruisers, who couldn't care less what was going on off the boulevard, could not ignore the increasingly bloody war taking place in Vietnam. There were few lowriders lucky enough to know no one who had lost an arm, a leg or their lives in Southeast Asia. "From 1966 on, the Vietnam war was making its impact on Chicanos and many of us were drafted," remembers Duke's Car Club president Fernando Ruelas. "Some vatos came back and some didn't... I think that all of the car clubs were dwindling in the late '60s because of it."
Although student groups and activists were preaching boycott and resistance, these were not the lessons lowriders were taking home. Many cruisers had noticed that students, by sticking together, were able to use their strength against politicians and police more effectively. The Whittier cruise had been closed down, and area lowriders knew that they had to come together if it was to ever open again. Using the methods of the Chicano Movimiento, they took the first step, their way.
"The Federation of Lowriders came about out of necessity, because we knew that the larger this thing got, the more the cops would win out," says former Groupe president Ed Flores. Clubs and independent lowriders alike were beginning to realize that, like young people across the country burning draft cards and carrying signs, they did have the power to change things. They also understood that there was strength in numbers, something Groupe had always been aware of.
"The Groupe had a couple of successful football games, picnics or some other activities with the Bachelors and other clubs, so we would bring them in. They would know another club, and they would bring them in. We just spread the word around. We said, 'let's get together at meetings,' and we took each other's phone numbers and would contact each other. We had guys from Orpheus, New Wave, Klique and others. It wasn't anything structured."
But it was communication. "There never was a set peace talk, it just happened," remembers Klique president Luis Martinez. "I was involved when the [club] wars were on. The thing that we realized was that we weren't accomplishing anything." But, together, the clubs were able to accomplish what the East Los Angeles Sheriff's department couldn't do in a decade of busting heads. The bumperjacking stopped, and lowriders were able to again risk the cruise without fear of damaging that $1,000 paint job just because of their plaque. Not that the cruise was suddenly 100-percent safe. Nowhere in Los Angeles, not in Beverly Hills or on Van Nuys Boulevard, were people free from violence completely. But with communication, the clubs were finally able to use their energy to making the Boulevard a better place.
"I was one of the leaders in the Federation of car clubs," remembers Beto Hernandez. "We tried to clean up, hose down the street, take graffiti off the walls, trying to maintain the Boulevard as much as possible, because we felt that this was our boulevard. We had all kinds of media coverage, us, New Wave, Orpheus, Sons of Soul, New Breed and everyone else; channels 2, 4, 5, 7--all of them showed what we were doing.
"I had a lot of guys who were members who went to college and got very well educated in the Chicano Movement. Some of the other guys would complain, but I said, 'No, if they've got to leave, I've got to leave,' because what they were talking about was bottom-line true, from Zapata to Pancho Villa on up.
Chapter four from Lowrider Magazine's, Lowrider History Book.
JIM
JIM
Juda In Malibu
My Take Part 1
Another good post Jim, interesting history and looking back it’s obvious that era was a "breakout" and revolutionary time for the Chicano/Mexicano. Many things happened very fast and I think it was due to a combination of factors and history.
Let’s look back a ways to the 30’s and 40’s when the first generation of young “Chicanos”, children of Spanish speaking immigrants not only from Mexico but especially from the US Southwest, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, Arizona, and Calif. became young adults and Americans who like all youngsters wanted to get out in the world and mingle see the sights, party, go to the dances, parks, shopping, swimming at the beach etc; Problem was due to prejudice and racism these young “Mexicans” were denied this ritual in the way most teenage upwardly mobile American youth were. There were many jobs and positions and city’s and beaches, and city suburbs that were off limits due to a “defacto” segregation that existed. Not like the legalized segregation that the “Negroes” had in the South, but more insidious and almost more hurtful because what seemed possible for a young Chicano many times wasn’t due to a kind of agreed upon segregation by the “Anglo Power Base”.
The young Chicanos of the 30’s and 40’s who were relegated to live and exist in ghettoized “Barrios” of So Cal and especially LA where the jobs were, still were influenced by the popular culture of the US and many of us remember when very young and at family “get togethers” our parents and family listening to the music of “Harry James, Artie Shaw, Count Basie, Duke Ellington, and the beautiful and distinct Chicano style “jitterbugging” and swing dancing that it seemed like everyone knew and danced too.
And even though many of that generation eventually “made it” I recall they all mostly were identified as from the many “varrios” in LA.” Maravilla, Temple St., Alpine, Loma, Lincoln Hts., Flats, Watts, San Pedro, Clanton, Mateo, etc;
The “Pachuco/ Zoot Suit Wars” of that period are often described as a revolutionary act of “defiance” but I would argue that the bombing of Pearl Harbor and “World War Two” was the ”catalyst” to the world changing for the “Mexican American”.
After the veterans came back from the War they faced the same discriminatory situations in the housing, jobs, schools, etc; and these “veterans” wouldn’t put up with that bullshit especially after giving up many lives and fighting so gallantly, so that’s when they formed groups like the “GI Forum”, LULAC, etc; and began organizing for political and anti-discriminatory changes.
It was a long road and the changes didn’t come immediately, then the Korean War began and again the “Mexican Americans” fought like motherfuckers and refused to put up with all the discrimination in the Military, and when returning home continued organizing politically to gain a power base. I recall when in LA we only had one representative “City Councilman Edward Roybal (a great man) even though huge areas of the city were totally “Mexican American” . This outrage was due to political “Gerrymandering” which cut up the East Side of LA into a dozen different voting districts which effectively prevented any local representation. This bullshit wasn’t remedied until the 60’s and 70’s and after many legal battles.
The battle against prejudice and rascism has been a constant, difficult, confusing, sometimes brother against brother , effort.
End Part ! “
Don Q
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Ok heres a new for you! So I went with a few homies Ive met here ans kick it once in a while, we went to Stockton, CA to watch a minor league baseball game. Well low and behold, 2 chicano vatos and 2 mayates start mad dogging us, we kind od shrugged it off then they got closer, the mayates were wearing blue colored clothing and the chicano vatos had on red. Needles to I justfigured they were just trouble makers not gang members. Well here come the mayates, with "WHERE YOU FROM FOOL!" to which we replied "FUCK YOU!" then the other mayate come up with the 2 norte fools they say fuck scraps and then they said"fuck scraps, this is norte playboy crips!" at that point I was confused as hell. So I told them "fuck that shit, are you stupid ese!" to which they all replied"we dont like that scrap blue, this norte, playboy crips" So a shoving match was quickly broken up by the ball park security, we took our seats watch the game then bounced.
So these vatos were crips(so they wear blue)
But they are also norte(they like red)
But they go around hitting people up that are wearing blue, but they are wearing blue, so it gets a bit confusing.
Im telling you they got it backwards up here.
Hey little dump truckos, shut the fuck up not only is it confusing up there but your confusing us down here, so stop all that jibber-jabbing and only speak when your spoken to, bitch!!
How do the Mongols in So Cal get along with the Chapters up North like Modesto that have members that are Norte?
My Take Part 2
The popular music in the 50’s for the Chicano, as I recall in my youth, was an amalgamation or combination of both the culture and music including “Jazz, Swing, Blues, Hillbilly, Mexican, Latin, and became “Rythym and Blues” / Rock and Roll”, and beautiful in it’s mixture as was the Chicano, or “Mexican American” culture itself .
As a young kid I recall the jefe’s going to “Downtown LA” or sometimes at various “Drive In Theatres” to witness the “Battle of the Bands” featuring the “honking sax’s”, bands of “Chuck Higgins” doing his famous “Pachuco Hop” against “Joe Houston” blowing “All Night Long” against “Big Jay McNeeley” on the ground and out the door playing his “sax” and singing “ There Is Something On Your Mind” do do do, do du do, do du,. And all this time fighting and struggling for the “American Dream”.
During the fifties the young Chicano’s , even though still powerless and economically “underprivileged” took whatever they could afford , work clothes (Khakis, Frisco Jeans, County’s, old “Surplus Store Army Clothes”), and Cars (old Chevy’s, Mercury’s, etc;) and music “Rythym and Blues” and “Oldies” and turned these items into something artistic and beautiful and identifying as “Chicano”, and these cultural identifiers were, although a distinct art form , (copied and integrated into the US Culture ! See rap star clothing, and popular low rider cars and bikes) , from the broader “Anglo Culture” this was viewed a cause of fear and loathing as were the previous “Zoot Suiters”, perceived as a threat to “White America” in general.
The refusal by the “Anglo” power base to share power or to integrate the Mexican American into the broader culture, and the continued discrimination and political cronyism has had a some dire consequences, such as the organization and consolidation of the LA varrios in the prison system into organized criminal groups that control prisons and many areas of US cities. I can only speak of the often referred to “EME” and the “Surenos” but these LA based groups are consolidating power throughout the US prisons and Cities and where this phenomenom ends is anybody’s guess.
The school “blowouts” of the 60’s were a direct response to this discrimination and I can personally recall when at “Lincoln High School” teachers had a very “Patronizing “ and unenthusiastic attitude towards the Mexican American student body. Shit I was,although eager to learn and be inspired in literature and reading and science, simply given a “run through” of education and like everyone else there treated like children or retards left to read uninspiring “dick and jane” like crap even in high school. The dropout rate as like today was astonishing in it’s percentage. And the consequences to the larger society was costly and a disgrace.
There you go, dude get the fuck out of here, it was cool before came on and atrted showing your ignorance, get a life puto!
TAMBIEN,
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Can you cite this web site for one to check out?
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That acticle from Lowrider magazine has a lot of untrue tall tale telling shit.
The one that stands out the most is saying that LA county Sheriffs put down the riots in Isla Vista SB. I guess that vato never got stopped by the Santa Barbara Sheriffs......he should ask the GlobeTrotters how it feels getting a baton up their asses. Those mofos pledged never to return to that city again.
The 1960s car clubs and Dance spots can go suck a little fat midget's dick....
I want to hear about the OG car clubs.....like the Maravilla area Cobra Car Club, Coffin Cheaters, Santos, and the hot girls like the Cheater Reds. Back when vatos would go up to Coyote Pass (Monterey Park)and smoke some Weed while painting their white walls tires (couldn't afford the real ones). I want to hear some 411 on that shit.....
Those vatos would cruise around with the name plate hanging on the bottom back bumper colored out in green or red. The 1960s started that window display bullshit.....
In terms of the hot spots for dancing and girls....can some real OG kick down some 411 on the dance halls....ie...Lords Hall, Armenian Hall, Sons of Herman Hall (25th & Main), Laguna Park Gym, Puppy Trail Hall......WE WANT TRUE STORIES HERE NOT TALES FROM THE HIGH....STOP THE BULLSHITING DICK SLINGING!!
:)
click these:
http://www.killsometime.com/Video/video.asp?ID=507
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECxConiz8_U
FALSE STORIES OF THE HIGHWAY PATROL.....
FALSE STORIES OF THE HIGHWAY PATROL.....
How do the Mongols in So Cal get along with the Chapters up North like Modesto that have members that are Norte?
Mongol membership supercedes previous gang affiliations. The Mongol Nation does not tolorate in-fighting. Here's a list of requirements to become a Mongol.
1) Have a car, if not a Harley will do.
2) Must be able to run a 4.4 in the 40. In case you see a Hells Angel.
3) Must be a complete reject from your varrio.
4) Must be able to afford membership.
5) Must cooperate with all local and state law enforcement agencies.
6) Must have a j walking conviction before 24 hours of prospecting is over.
7) If you make it past the 24 hours of prospecting, you must be able to afford your patch. If you can't you will be assighned one from the DEA lost & found.
I hope this helps.... ;-)
SAN JO DUKE'S CAR CLUB SAYING CHALE TO PAYING TAXES TO YOU MOSCOS.
My Take
Part 3
The Chicano/Mexican American was again affected by some new attacks on the culture during the 60’s. First of all the powers that be decided that a “neat” way to solve an old problem and to make some money in the process, would be to destroy Mexican American neighborhoods.
This was accomplished and planned out by the diabolical LA power based “Jonathon Club”, Valley Hunt Club” “movers and shakers” when it was decided to dismantle the great rapid transit system of Streetcars, Red Cars, J and P cars and build freeways, Stadiums (Dodger!) urban renewal projects (Bunker Hill) right through the old Chicano neighborhoods of Maravilla and East LA (Santa Ana, Pomona, and Long Beach Freeways), Boyle Hts. Lincoln Hts. Frogtown (Golden State Freeway) among many others. This urban removal was also planned out to shut down the union wage paying industries around the central city, create huge profits for developers who built shitty track homes in the various stucco box suburbia’s ( and now years later are stucco slums like much of Pomona, Puente, Norwalk, Compton, Santa Ana, and Anaheim, OC,) and made lots of dinero for entities like the LA Times and their holding companies like “Conrock” and other freeway building suppliers.
Also the Vietnam War began and again the Mexican American was prime fodder for the draft and war. I can recall getting my “draft notice” and going down to the “Selective Service Bldg. on Broadway and 12th St. . There were buses parked around the block from all the branches of the service ready to fill up and take away the guys unlucky enough to be chosen.
Inside were a couple of thousand guys all following the yellow lines to physicals and other tests. I recognized many “homeboys” from the neighborhood, school, and Juvenile Detention Centers. Many were nodding out from slamming just before they entered the bldg. and when the pimply-faced Army guy started shouting out orders and threatening to send everyone to “Nam” I just laughed in amazement at the scene.
The whole selection process was “ass backwards” cause the guys with the violent and street criminal backgrounds were rejected and the vato’s that had kept their nose’s clean were “drafted” to the war? I got a 1Y pass due to criminal history, as did many homeboys’. Many “clean” guys I knew went to Vietnam and if they didn’t get killed or wounded badly they came back soon mentally fucked up and most hooked on Heroin due to the lunacy of the war and spending too much time smoking “Opium” in some Saigon hole.
I have written enough here with Wally about the 60’s, 70’s, to the present and won’t repeat myself ad nauseum but the culture endures, thrives, and grows, always “absorbing” aspects from other cultures and ethnic groups and the latest racist bullshit over immigration isn’t anything new. Mexicans always add positively to the US in most ways and this latest flap over “English Only” laws is total bullshit! Anyone who has lived around Mexican People for any length of time knows that all Mexican American kids speak English after a short time in school and the neighborhood. And as Adults, English is always the preferred spoken language as with all ethic groups in the US.
Instead of castigating the hard working, family people they should be welcomed.
on the mongols you forgot how to hide or throw away your patch or jacket and how to say it was not me.
The Mongols should go back to being a Nissan Truck Club.
I know some solid guys that are Mongols. I wonder if anyone here would say that to their face?
i would piss right in a mongols face, when you say solid are you talking about their cocks as they penitrate your ass
i heard lil trukos got poked into the mongols
I know some solid guys that are Mongols. I wonder if anyone here would say that to their face?
Did you go to the police academy with them? Or were you pc'd up somewhere? I bet you think Fonzie is pretty solid ;-)
Why is it confusing Truckos?
If mayates and nortenos back each others play in the pinta then why not on the calles. Maybe the niggers were claiming northern california as well as crip? The latino busters were wearing red right? So whats the confusion?
Ok, howabout this. Southsiders and Crips fight all the time and both claim blue. So whats the difference? I think the north/south bound is stronger regardless of what color you claim or what race you are.
:)
Don Cerote,
Your anti-Mexican Freeway Theory is bullshit.....the freeway building era was not done to undermind the Mexican American Community. You need to go back to East Los Angeles College or Cal State LA and take some History classes. If your ass gets lucky maybe UCLA will take your rotten fart lard ass at age 70 or 80.
In terms of Vietnam.......My father volunteered to show everyone that he was a ruthless motherfucker....Mexicano (say it in spanish).
Not like your pussy ass, my father wanted to show the US that Mexicanos are real men and not pussy ass marijuana smoking gangsters (like Don Cerote). Many of his friends come back without legs and Arms.......but that man, my father, will knock your teeth in, put a boot up your ass and sent you to the hospital crying for intensive plastic surgery. Like my father, my brother fought in the Gulf War and returned injured from not only shooting at motherfuckers but from hand to hand combat...real combat...not your neighborhood "stab and run" bullshit. So, in terms of the issue on Vietnam you really need to shut the fuck up on it.
Your Opinion on the Mexican American Population preference with the English speaking Language....is bullshit too.
:)
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It was just a trip I didnt see that one coming, yea your right. It goes back being raised in southern CA you never see norte fools walking around, up here you see surenos walking around all the time, and not just the paises, but you know transplants and what not.
Word in East Los that in Farmington, Los Mags and the 19st crips are at war. 19st also called 1 Niners apparantly got caught up with some crooked cops on the "Strike Force". Word on the calles is it was over 2 Kilos of heroin. It was shown on FX news.
TRUKOS , YOUR JUST PLAIN RETARDED.
look on the bright side though, SOMEDAY YOULL MAKE A GREAT TORPEDO!
:) said: whatever the fuck he/she said.. and ;-) said whatever the fuck he/she said but they both said mostly total wanna hear misself bellow because I is de biggest zero on the court shit.. Don Quixote puts up some polished posts! They show a little research, some homework. The man was there (or close-by) and tries to convey times 30 yrs back..Granted, because he's an individual, they're going to be biased right, left, or centrist, but that's what makes this democracy shine.. I do'nt see as how he's "politickin" one way or the other. His only real agregious sin is that he expounded his side in view of this retrobate, this idiot that claims so many and is not yet one.. A side-buster..
He's either an anomaly, a true psychotic, or just a punk-assed nada puto who keeps company with wimps and girlie-men. His constant reference to ass-fuckin and nut-grabbin tell the tale. but we've covered all that, and any readers staying current on this pedo know his MO..Good contributors, Hollenbeck Resident, OC Half Breed, some of the "anons" who give a crap, have mentioned what a mess we've become? Norwalquero has'nt made an appearance, TJ is absent.. I miss the words we got from "X", he was genuine..Lil trukos sometimes i think you show up mysteriously just to agitate.. Young vato ask your new friends why the blue and red, and work it out w/them. That's the crew that's either going to back you or sell ya.
tj, don quixote, gava joe, san jo these guys are putting the best shit out here, keep it coming.lil trukos with all the shit people talk on you you must be the most famous now.
Que triste the puto won't call me "Don Camote" anymore! Oh well it was good for a while until I fucked up and gave him a spanish lesson.
As far as his assertion that I'm full of shit on the "Freeway system" targeting "Chicano neighborhoods, well I've stated my case and I think anyone who was around at the time would agree that the freeways were designed and even directed and curved to destroy certain varrios. Take a look at the "Pomona Frwy" and how instead of heading straight west and east it went right through the old "Hoyo Soto" "White Fence" "Hoyo Mara" among others in Pico Rivera, El Monte, Bassett etc: ( I do understand avoiding the Evergreen and Calvary cemetaries cause the Catholic Church would have lost a money maker),
But theres plenty of evidence from me and if you disagree then show me a good argument not some weak protest.
ANd as far as this puto's Dad serving in Vietnam (if it's not more bs) god bless him,
although maybe he could have spent more time with mr. multiple personalities and maybe prevented his penis fascination and gay life style. ( Yea I forgot it's genetic and not a life choice! sorry.)
Anyway you can still call me Don Camote on occasion. ANd if you differ on an opinion then make an informed arguement, I got no problem with that.
You won't find Freeways blasting thru the wealthy areas of San Marino, Beverly Hills,etc;
Greetings to TJ, DQ, Gava Joe, and SJ (where ever you are)...
it's been over a month since I have bothered the blog with any war-stories. As you know, I'm a former one third-timer with CDC...only eight hours at a time, thank God.
DQ, you sure do a fine job at taking care of the blog. Recently, there seems to be lots of volume from net-taggers/bangers, yet little real content. We sure need a bit of TJ's knowledge and experiance here. Oddly, it is these same people that are eager to put some work in, once they graduate from camps to yards. The young/new always dis the old/established. Yes, even the uniformed (fish cops)do it to the layed back vets. We never wacked our own though! I was guilty of putting the boots to three year wonders (disrespectful & puffed-up new c/o)during cell extractions though. Mistakes happen. Once. Still, as in the culture of those who wear blue, we had each others back...much like those that lived it 24/7.
A couple weeks ago, in a bordering State (to CA), the Mongols and the Red & White were under the same roof...and nothing happened. TJ, what's up with that? Also, TJ or DQ, what's going on with P12 and the Pomona PD? Where do things stand currently? As you know, PBSP recently had another flare up. Eyes and ears to that local.
X
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don quixote,
We thoroughly enjoyed your posts today. Your illustrated style of writing made it all come alive to us. It was thoughtful of you to add those personal observations.
By any measure you are a very effective writer and *don*. Thanks for the notable contribution.
JIM
IS IT A FACK OR RUMOR THAT VARRIO NORWALK THE ONEWAYS CLIKA HAVE A GREENLIGTH AND IS IT A FACK DOES SOMEONE KNOW WHY?
I THINK ITS JUST A RUMOR FROM A HATING VATO POSTING SHIT IN HERE ABOUT NORWALK MAYBE FROM CACA LEVAS OR CHAVAS.
Southsiders and Crips fight all the time and both claim blue. So whats the difference? I think the north/south bound is stronger regardless of what color you claim or what race you are.
SOUTHSIDERS HAD THE BLUE WAY BEFORE THE CRIPS,JUST LIKE THE LOWRIDERS,DICKIES,AND PENDLETONS!AND AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS!BUT WE STILL RUN THIS MUTHAH!..LOL!
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
bullshit, you don't run shit you fuckin scrap!
THATS A FACK JACK
HEY GUESS WHOS BACK!!!
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
FUCK THIS BLOG
This Aztlan movement would be a great movement if it weren't based on total pedo and a hypocritical, self righteous postion. You can try to re-write history if it suits your political agenda, but that doesn't make it true.
The southwestern United States was occupied by the Apaches, Pima, Yaquis, Utes, Commanches, Anazazis, Pueblos, Cheyennes and Arapahos, LONG BEFORE THERE WAS EVER A COUNTRY OF MEXICO.
Then the Spaniards arrived and defeated the Aztec empire that was in WHAT IS TODAY MEXICO.
The Mestizo was born from Spaniards
and indians inter-breeding. The Mestizo evolved into what is known today as Mexicans. The southwest United States was claimed by the Spaniards originally and was referred to as "New Spain". Then the revolution took place and independence was gained, and Mexico was born, a new nation. The mestizos became Mexicans and migrated to southwest United States, fighting and whipping the "indios" along the way.
SO, THIS SELF RIGHTEOUS PEDO THAT MEXICANS SPEW ABOUT AZTLAN AND MEXICO BEING "THEIRS" BEFORE IT WAS STOLEN BY THE GRINGO IS PLAIN OLD FASHIONED B.S.
The Mexicans whipped the "indios" to take it from them.
Illegal immigration has always been a problem. ASK ANY INDIO.
The Aztec Empire ruled Mesoamerica from Mexico and Guatemala to the territories of El Salvador and Honduras from 1427-1521.
Do your homework. Check it out.
Scrapper
If you like the Mafia Times so much.And In The Hat is so weak.Why do you keep returning?
the spanish fuck up the aztecs and take their land in mexico el salvador and honduras
the mestizos take it back from the spaniards and call it mexico
the mexicans move north and take the southwest us from the indians
the us takes it from mexico
159 years later mexicans are still claiming that it was THEIRS all along, like they never took it from anybody by force.
COMICAL.
THAT SHIT IS FUNNY
So HOLLENBECK you are claiming the sur now ???
In your previos comments you never claimed the sur and usually claim to be a nuetral.
Now that your back , your a hard core sureno?
What happend ? Did you do a week in L.A. county and recruited ?
The Comanche where based in Texas and went into Mexico to steal horses and run from the U.S soldiers.The Apache likewize would enter Mexico to raid , rape and pillage niether where from Mexico.
A book called Ride the Wind will explain the relatioship between the Comanche and the Mexicans.
I just checked out that Mafia Times site and I agree that it is weak.This guy gets his info straight out of the newspaper.The majority of the Post don't have anything to do with the Mafia, and they only have about 4 comments total .2 of the comments are from gava Joe and 1 or 2 more from San Jo.
I'll stick with Wally even though he's MIA.
The artical on the freeways was good, real good can it be belived that DQ wrote it. I must say it was great to read some go' ol stuff and not just that poop that has been going around as of late.
But I must also say that it seems as though DQ can't get the penis out of his mind. He contuines to try and bait the writer of the most hilarious put downs I've read here, certainly with those at the top. I also call for that guy to come back and mess with DQ's mind.
Also great reading on the lowrider stuff it was very good.
DON CAMELTOE, LET ME TELL YA, YOUR WRITING DON'T IMPRESS ME. IT WAS ENTERTAINING THOUGH , THANKS FOR SHARING.
TRUKOS, FOR ALL THE SHIT YOU TALK HERE, I WOULD HAVE EXPECTED YOU TO JUMP UP AND CLAIM THAT BIG SUR TRECE WHEN THOSE VATOS HIT YOU UP. YOU SAY IT HERE, YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID IT THERE. I WONT CALL YOU NAMES, I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHY YOU DIDNT CLAIM SUR THEN?
I did BITCH!That went without saying you stupid ass! I had my LA Dodger hat on sucka!
why do the south side pay taxes, the eme uses them to do there work in the pen and on the streets if they have beef with some one they just greenlight them then let the sur take care of them, and after they do all the work for the eme they have to pay them, the sur is bigger then the eme, at least in numbers, they do there work so why pay on top of it.to be greenlighted you went against what they said and people act like greenlighters are punks it seems there more down for not listening.
The southwestern United States was occupied by the Apaches, Pima, Yaquis, Utes, Commanches, Anazazis, Pueblos, Cheyennes and Arapahos, LONG BEFORE THERE WAS EVER A COUNTRY OF MEXICO.
Then the Spaniards arrived and defeated the Aztec empire that was in WHAT IS TODAY MEXICO.
The Mestizo was born from Spaniards
and indians inter-breeding. The "Mestizo evolved into what is known today as Mexicans. The southwest United States was claimed by the Spaniards originally and was referred to as "New Spain". Then the revolution took place and independence was gained, and Mexico was born, a new nation. The mestizos became Mexicans and migrated to southwest United States, fighting and whipping the "indios" along the way."
Thanks for the history lesson. Now, if you can just prove THAT theory...
Oh, wait, of course it's true, because that's what it sais in American history books, right?
And you have the nerve to call people who believe Aztlan existed stupid? What's smart about believing everything the American, White, Christian establishment taught you, considering that 90% of THEIR bullshit can't be proven any more than the existance of Aztlan can?
(why do the south side pay taxes, the eme uses them to do there work in the pen and on the streets ... the sur is bigger then the eme, at least in numbers, they do there work so why pay on top of it)
To understand the dynamics involved is important in explaining why a handful of people can influence and control a much larger (numerically speaking) group.
Numerically speaking, a general prison population can also take over any prison simply by overwhelming their keepers (guards). Why doesn't this take place? Because the general prison population (mainline inmates) is not willing to take that risk (loss of life).
Why do a handful of Cosa Nostra made men control their Italian communities despite being vastly outnumbered by their Italian paisanos? Same reason. No one wishes to lose their life.
That's only one component. The second (and equally important) reason is that the Sureno Nation THRIVES on the status of doing EME's bidding! Despite the reasoning of a lay person, it is an honor to perform a hit on M's behalf and, in their world, it is considered a major step up the "criminal corporate ladder".
Paying taxes (their "dues") is part of this criminal phenomena that has evolved in So. Cal barrios and beyond.
The balancing act for M is to collect taxes and utilize gang members for M-related "work" while making the gangs feel a sense of criminal accomplishment and "worthiness".
The M doles out a portion of RESPECT (there's that magic intangible word that every gang member demands), creates an atmosphere of belonging to the M family (the minor league version at first) and the gang member hopes to prove his worthiness to the EME Big Leaguers by "performing" at a level that warrants recruitment.
For a fact, the EME has their pick of the litter. Those who effectively demonstrate their "home run power" are brought up to Chavez Ravine to be a part of the Big Blue Wrecking Crew! Those who do not, languish in the minor leagues or are "let go" altogether.
This Sur-EME thing is called a criminal "relationship". A non-gang member will voice a similar question to the question expressed above. Many of my LE confederates shake their heads and have made similar observations during their careers.
That is, until they understand the mentality of gang members and comprehend the various stages of gang membership.
1)You have the general barrio population (with it's inherent peer pressures in those areas);
2)The run-of-the-mill gang member (street fodder);
3)The gang shot callers (many in each "clique") and veteranos (elder statesmen, many who have done much time in prison) who direct and advise on much of the goings on within their respective barrios;
and 4)(at the top of the rung) are the hardcore career criminal-type gangsters who are destined to spend most of their lives behind bars.
The EME recruits only from this demented upper rung and the gang members' willingness to kill for M (versus just the ability to kill) is the M's lithmus test.
On a related topic, why do some of the most gorgeous women become attracted to these same gangsters? In all my years of observing prisoner activity, it baffles me to no end to see so many women "running" for inmates, being enticed into smuggling in dope, etc. Who would want their daughters or sisters "hooked up" with a jail bird?
That's another good question that maybe warrants much input. That is my question to the board.
Peace ........
Tijuana Jailer
that was very thorough tj, as far as the women thats easier the excitement
good post tj, let me ask something, so lets understand, like not every single barrio pays taxes, just certain elements of certain hood, i.e., dope dealers, smugglers, crimes that bring in alot of money, these vatos are tarted correct?
tj you made some great points, but i would have to question some of them, you say loss of life but gang members are at risk of losing their life all the time, you say cause they want to do work for the eme but i know some people who only want to handle their own work and keep their money not hand it over, and the sur could survive without the eme, i dont know if the other is true
(you say loss of life but gang members are at risk of losing their life all the time)
FEAR is definitely a factor. Ask anyone who has been around (convicts or longtime gang investigators) and you will understand that this is EME's overriding weapon - the Fear Card. Otherwise, explain to me why one EME member on a mainline population in a prison (state or federal) can galvanize an entire Sureno prison population to do his bidding? 1)Because he is an EME representative and 2)The general attitude of most convicts who are "in the mix" is to aspire to "be like Mike".
Obviously, if ALL Surenos pounced on this one individual, he is history. But FEAR of repercussion - EME repercussion - is a deterrent + their desire to someday become an EME soldier is another (status). If that were not the case then the EME would not be in existence..... nor would any organized criminal cartel.
It is one thing to apply common sense to a situation and it is noble to attempt to inspire the people to "take contol" but ..... !!!!
It is also obvious that many gang members are NOT thrilled with the relationship with EME (look at the Protective Housing Units as a great example), but the madness continues.
On the outside, a gang member feels in relative control of his situation in his neighborhood because it is familiar territory. When you come up against a force, La EME for example, (and keep in mind that it is a force that most hardcore gang members ASPIRE to be a part of) you do not want to be taken out by them.
Bumping heads with a gang who threatens your barrio and conducting yourself "without fear" is one thing. Antagonizing the people that are looked upon as their heroes is quite another.
Keep in mind that the EME is the Cream of the Crop. To compare the Sureno Nation with the EME would be your first miscalculation. The Sur is the Minor Leagues .... in criminal mentality, in criminal maturation, in all walks of criminal growth.
(you say cause they want to do work for the eme but i know some people who only want to handle their own work)
The EME doesn't seek permission to enter into a given barrio which they covet. When met with resistance, they adjust to that barrio's resistance. How so? By placing a green light first. Or, by entering into a different agreement with a reluctant barrio which would entail NOT taxing per head but only taxing for drug dealing or some other creative arrangement.
(the sur could survive without the eme)
Southern California gangs indeed "survived" without the EME before there was an EME. This is not about survival. This is about the gangs desire to be involved in a relationship with M. It continues despite the obvious.
Once again, Sureno gang members could easily disassociate themselves from the "yoke" of the EME if they so desired. They obviously do not. I wish we could but obviously we can't wish this scenario into existence.
Stay tuned.
Peace ......
Tijuana Jailer
///the sur is bigger then the eme, at least in numbers, they do there work so why pay on top of it///
were you born yesterday? Like Tijuanero said: nobody wants to get hit for not going with the program. Eme calls the shots and Sur backs their play.
That's the way it is, loco.
sounds like you where born yesterday, can you think for yourself
tj hard to argue with that, but the south side is still punking out doing all the work then getting taxed.
On a related topic, why do some of "the most gorgeous women become attracted to these same gangsters? In all my years of observing prisoner activity, it baffles me to no end to see so many women "running" for inmates, being enticed into smuggling in dope, etc. Who would want their daughters or sisters "hooked up" with a jail bird?
TIJUAS,
I HAVE A TOTALLY DIFFERENT VIEW OF THIS. MAYBE IN THE VARRIO WHEN THE RUCA'S ARE YOUNG THEY LOOK GOOD BUT LATER IN LIFE (30'S ON UP) MOST ALL OF THE PRISON GANGSTERS I KNEW HAD TORE UP LADIES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT STANDS OUT THE MOST ABOUT A HIGHLY RESPECTED "M" I KNEW, BESIDES THE FEAR HE INSPIRED AMONGST EVERYONE, WAS THAT HE BADLY WANTED TO FUCK THIS LADY I WOULDNT TOUCH WITH TRUCKOS LIL WEE WEE. ALSO, I WOULD HANG OUT AT BARS THAT WERE PAROLEE HANG OUTS, EVERY MOFO THERE HAD BEEN TO PRISON, AND THERE WOULD BE VATOS IN THERE WHO MOST HINAS WOULD CONSIDER VERY HANDSOME WITH TORE DOWN RUCAS. THEN I GO TO COLLEGE AND SEE SQUARE ASS FOOLIOS WITH REALLY FINE WOMEN!
TIJUAS, I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE YOU SHARE WITH US, BUT ON THIS ONE, I HAVE TO SAY YOUR WRONG.
THE PENCIL NECK SQUARES WHO'VE NEVER BANGED A DAY IN THEIR LIFE AND GO TO COLLEGE HAVE THE FINEST LADIES. THEM GANGBANGER'S WOMEN LOOK TORE UP BY THRITY. GO TO A THUG HANG OUT AND MOST THOSE LADIES LOOK TORE UP. BUT THEN, MAYBE I LIVE IN A NETHERWORLD, AFTER ALL, WHEN EVERYONE HERE WAS TALKING ABOUT CRACKHEADS NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD CARS, I TOLD'EM ABOUT CRACKHEADS I SEE DRIVING ESCALADES WITH FINE BITCHES BUYING $300-400 OF CRACK TO SMOKE ALL NIGHT. I WONDER HOW MUCH FUN THAT WELL DRESSED AND VERY ATTRACTIVE BLONDE IN THE ESCALADE WAS AFTER SMOKING ROCJ FOR ABOUT 3 HOURS?
masa man said
"He continues to try and bait the writer of the most hilarious put downs I've read here, certainly with those at the top. I also call for that guy to come back and mess with DQ's mind."
You do'nt need to call real loud because that clever devil is YOU. And your putdowns are boring and sound real BITCHY, ya know? fuckin Subaru -driving whiny faggot..
Subaru-driving pendejo scrappa
yea puto quit answering and comments your own comments, retard!
LO fuckin L - Even lil trukos' got your number ese lop
From mr. muti personalities,
{i would hang out at parolee bars and every mofo there had been to prison}
hey puto what was it a convention of pinta jotos or were you some pintos joint bitch.
JIM sounds like a Pussy too ...
And you have the nerve to call people who believe Aztlan existed stupid? What's smart about believing everything the American, White, Christian establishment taught you, considering that 90% of THEIR bullshit can't be proven any more than the existance of Aztlan can?
I didn't say Aztlan never existed.
If that's what you choose to call
the area the Aztecs ruled, so be it.
Or if it's what you choose to call the Aztec Empire itself, so be it.
What my post said was that the Aztec empire NEVER extended into the southwestern United States.
It was inhabited by other tribes of indians, not Aztecs. Along the coast of California the Spaniards set up their Mission system and "pacified" the indios. The southwest was only very sparsely populated by a few Spaniards, trying to establish the same type of mission system as in Califas. It failed due to the indios not being "pacified". That area was populated by roaming warrior society indios and not passive non-nomadic hunter gatherer tribes.
Can you say Commanche, Kiowa, Southern Cheyenne, Apache, Pima, Hopi, Yaqui, etc.etc. There were many more smaller tribes.
You can say it's "AMERICAN HISTORY BOOK BULLSHIT"....but then that would mean that the Spanish history books, and stand by my miguided and misinformed friend, this is going to be a shock to you,,,,,MEXICAN HISTORY BOOKS are also BULLSHIT.
That's right Mechista, the Mexican history books also document this.
But hey, don't let that keep your agenda minded ass from listening to anybody or anything other than what your revolutionary type heroes tell you. They may win the revolution someday, but their political stance that the "Aztlan" movement is righteous due to the southwestern United States being stolen from the mighty Aztec or that the Mexican was here first is PURO PEDO. Plain and simple. No argument by anybody educated on the history of the Aztec Empire or the North American continent can hold water. But, if you just need a reason to be hate the gringo, and your need to feel empowered to take over take over the soutwestern U.S., then of course you would say it's bullshit.
But the Mexican history books, the Spanish history books, and the American history books say you are wrong.
Also, more importantly, the indio history proves you wrong. The indios are hardly a big lover of American history books my friend. So you keep fighting the good fight for the revelutione and repeating what a bunch of Chicano
college professors and students dreamed up a couple generations ago
to pacify their need to be militant toward the U.S government
(and I might add, their hope that one day this would solidify their political position within an uneducated populus of Mexican voters). I was in college when the "Aztlan" movement got it's head of steam and took root. I know ALL the arguments, and at one time I believed what I was told, BECAUSE I WANTED TO BELIEVE IT. I NEEDED TO BELIEVE IT.
Later, when I gained some maturity and realized that alot of other things I heard from my hero college professors was plain old bullshit, I decided to educate myself on the argument for the righteousnees of Aztlan. Specifically the re-taking of the soutwestern U.S. because it was originally "OURS".
What a crock of shit. The Spaniards took it from the indios
BY FORCE. The Mexicans took it from the Spaniards BY FORCE. The Amercians took it from the Mexicans
BY FORCE. All three fought and battled with the indigenous people of the land, the INDIOS and took it from them BY FORCE.
But now you need to hate the gringo cause he whipped our ass and took it. But it wasn't "ours" in the beginning. That's why I say the Aztlan movement's arguments regarding the re-taking of the southwest U.S. is hypocritical. We bad mouth and hate the gringo because he did the VERY SAME THING TO US TO GET THAT LAND AS WE DID TO THE SPANIARDS AND INDIOS. But we
are the righteous ones? Because it was ours in the beginning?
BULLSHIT.
Go read some history ( Spanish, Mexican, American, and Native American and educate yourself).
Or perhaps it's much easier for you to sit back and take what the revolutionaries feed you as the gospel because to educate yourself takes time and commitment.
Let them lead you, LIKE A LAMB TO SLAUGHTER because they need to hope that one day they will be one of the jefe's of a Mexican society.
But oh yeah, wait a minute, they don't want the revolutione in Mexico, they want it in the U.S.
Yeah, the U.S. needs to be overthrown more that Mexico, right?
Uh huh, that's why so many of our people keep going back to our mother land instead of coming here, right?
If you can't see the hypocrisy of this and that it's simply an attempt to re-write history under the guise of a political power grab, then no amount of fact or reasoning can make you see it.
YOU ARE JUST WHAT THEY HOPED FOR.
has anybody else seen that fucken Joe Pusher site. it's www.joepusher.com . that crazy fucker is going right into east L.A. and and other areas making pornos with cholitas. I can't believe this shit.
Again, I hope this is better than name calling...
The Emerging Styles.
World War II had devastated most of the world's major economies - global powers in Asia and Europe were beginning the long and difficult process of reconstruction, a process that would take decades. It was up to the United States to help them rebuild, which meant everyone who wanted one had a good job for the first time since the stock market crashed back in '29, touching off the Great Depression. It was time to party, to cruise, and to build the best cars that the world had ever seen.
Detroit kicked the trend into gear. In February of 1942, all automobile production had stopped, the assembly lines devoted entirely to the war effort. Because gas had also been rationed since '42, the few hot rods still on the streets were keeping their runs short and sweet. All that was about to change, however. Young men returning from Europe received an early version of the G.I. Bill, known as the 5:20 program, putting an extra $20 a week in their pockets. Even better, all of those beautiful old cars, Chevrolets for the pachucos and Fords for the rodders, were cheap and plentiful as the wealthy, eager for a brand new ride, dumped them on the market.
The car of choice in East Los Angeles, California, at least among the younger set, was still the sleek Chevrolet. Prior to the war, choosing a Chevy over a Ford was an economic consideration; they were cheaper and more plentiful. But, even after with the G.I. Bill's subsidy, most Mexican-Americans continued to go with the "bowtie."
Although other makes and models were fine, so long as they were kept clean, restored to mint condition and dropped in the weeds, the '39 Chevrolet remained the most coveted car of all. "The '39 Chevy makes the best lowrider," explains Sleepy Lagoon resident Fernando Ruelas, president of the oldest lowrider club in America, The Duke's. "It's more of a gangster look, an Al Capone car. Suicide doors, and the headlights and fenders--everything comes to a point as a 'V,' starting with the grille, head-light, taillights and bumper. It's a good design, the best design that they built. They had the '37, the '38, the '40, but the '39 was the one that took it all. And their suspension is really good, coils in the front."
That was important, considering the major modifications preferred by these veteranos. They were exploring a new trend in automotive customization, one that didn't revolve around what was under the hood. Already stylish Chevys lent themselves to cosmetic customization, more so than the Fords favored by the upscale roadster set. The idea was to get your car looking as sleek as a hot rod, but with enough plush extras to encourage the opposite sex to go for a cruise; it was a hobby not only the pachucos, but automotive enthusiasts across the country found irresistible.
The style had started in Sacramento back in 1938, a car built with a hot-rod's lines, but ignoring that need for speed. Customizer Harry Westerguard slammed his '35 Ford to the ground with a spindle kit, then chopped the roof. The effect was aerodynamic, fast looking, and Harry didn't stop there. With the help of a young, local piano player by the name of George Barris, who had taken to hanging around the garage, Harry went even further.
"He took off everything, not only the accessories, but everything, including the factory chrome," writes lowrider historian David Holland. "Then, to further the smooth look, they would fill in the body seams with lead, or metal from melted coat hangers. Then, Harry created the 'pop' door, and the smooth hood sides were made." But, if you took a look inside, it was hardly the stripped down, light and uncomfortable interior favored by the hot rodders. Harry put a premium on comfort, perhaps a suggestion of his number one shotgun ride.
Others across the country were also looking to the racers for inspiration, wanting to drop their rides for the look but, like Westerguard, keep their ride comfortable. Even with the plushest interior available, this could prove to be a problem. "I lowered my '41 Buick new," remembers Bill Hines, who would later work with custom king George Barris, becoming a master customizer in his own right and an automotive hydraulics pioneer. "I had the springs cut down, or lowered, for about two weeks, but it rode so rough that I had to take them out and put new ones in. I was probably the only one in Detroit doing it then."
Cosmetic customization, which improved on the hot rod look without the expensive (and illegal) extras under the hood, was popping up across the country, but only on isolated rides. After World War II, however, such custom innovations became more widespread, dropped, chopped cruisers popping up from El Paso, Texas, to East Los Angeles. By 1948, clubs composed of what could be considered either early customs or lowriders were organizing throughout Southern California, while plenty of independents proudly put the finishing touches on their own sleek rides. Some of the era's finest rides were coming out of East L.A., the result of high quality handiwork on the part of old school cruisers.
After spending that kind of time restoring a beautiful car, cruisers needed a place to show off their handiwork. By the late 1940s, Los Angeles lows had cultivated a few prime cruise spots just perfect for displaying those ever-improving rides. Olvera Street downtown, Old Chinatown and especially Lincoln Park, now the site of Plaza de la Raza, were some of the favorite destinations.
"Lincoln Park used to have boat rides and a big carousel for kids of all ages," remembers David Holland. "Plus, it had carnival type rides, the Ferris wheel, the whip. It had taco stands, raspadas, popcorn stands. It had dancing al aire libre and also a dance hall. There was a lot of live music, mariachis and trios which the Raza came to hear. Guys were picking up on girls, girls were flirting with guys, people were just walking around and having fun."
For cruisers who wanted to take a longer trip, there were places like Rancho Daniel and the rivers near Pico Rivera. Cabrillo Beach, Long Beach, Tin Can Beach and Seal Beach were also popular places to show off your ride. The cars were getting smoother, too. "In the '40s, there wasn't a lot of money in the Hispanic community," explains customizer Ron Aguirre. "They fixed up their cars, but they would never go to the major shows. Then, around 1950, everything blossomed and went really wild."
Some of the favorites to customize were the newer models, although the '39 Chevy Deluxe retained its allure. The '48 Chevy convertible and '48 Fleetline, the '50 Chevy hardtop and, of course, the '49 and '50 Mercurys were all prized. One of the baddest looks in the barrio was to paint your rims Chinese red, with moon hubcaps and maybe outer rim caps, if you were lucky. Smaller tires were less expensive than the big skinny's that the racers would use, and they brought the car a few precious inches closer to the ground.
Throughout the late 1940s, and especially after the end of the Korean conflict in 1953, Los Angeles' growing industrial base had become something of a Mecca for Mexican-Americans throughout the Southwest looking for better paying jobs. "Los Angeles was once the largest automobile-tire-glass manufacturing center in the United States, outside of Detroit," notes Brenda Bright. "Five of the seven automobile plants were located in the central manufacturing zone just south of the downtown cities of South Gate, Vernon, Maywood, Commerce and Pico Rivera." This meant good paying jobs, perfect for veterans with plenty of hands-on mechanical experience or mechanically inclined young people just out of high school.
Things were really changing, those immaculate Chevrolets attracting attention, envious looks rather than the fearful gazes the pachucos had inspired, from customizers of every stripe. And, several new schools of cool car customization were springing up, and sinking down, on both sides of the Los Angeles river. A break was taking place among the rodders, and it wasn't just about respectability. It was about what a car was really for.
Going Custom How Low Can You Go?
"In those early years, there was no such thing as rods or customs," explains Ed "Big Daddy" Roth, one of the all-time great car customizers. "They were all labeled hot rods, even the lead sleds. As '47 and '48 came along, you would see more guys taking the later fat-fendered Fords and Chevys and filling in the nose and the deck emblems with lead and lowering the back ends. Then, choppin' the tops so the terms lead sled or 'sleds' became popular. Sleds weren't fast, they just looked cool. They were more for cruisers out scouting for babes."
Lead sleds, those 1949 and '50 Mercurys that just looked so good chopped, dropped and nosed, had inspired a new generation of automotive enthusiasts to look at cars in a whole other light. Pioneered by guys like Roth, Bill Hines, and especially "kustom" king George Barris, customizers hardly even looked under the hood as they transformed the silhouettes designed by Detroit's finest into mobile works of art. Cutting and welding, chopping and dropping, not to mention the leadwork and body filler involved, were the currencies of the custom world.
"Hot rods were built for go; customs were built for show," explains Pat Ganahl, editor of The Rodder's Journal. "Many rodders couldn't understand why someone would waste so much money on lush paint, plush upholstery, and all of the bodywork done in lead, which made these big barges that much heavier and slower. Though they were operating at a dif-ferent economic level, the customizers were actually doing the same thing as the rodders: taking a relatively expensive car and turning it into something more luxurious and exotic than factory top-of-the line models, while at the same time giving it a personalized, creative design different from any other car on the road." And, with the advent of nitro-methane, street rodders were no longer building their cars to be the fastest; those who made a conscious decision to keep their cars street legal found themselves performing cosmetic modifications, although they still paid atten-tion to what was happening under the hood.
George Barris was soon overwhelmed with interest in his rolling works of art, and needed to farm out work to others skilled in the transformation of fine automobiles. Gil and Al Ayala, brothers and Los Angeles customizers who had chopped and certainly dropped plenty of rides in their time, were tapped to help Barris pioneer a new Movement. Many of the rides featured in books and magazines about George and his equally talented brother, Sam, were actually built by the Ayalas, who later became legends in their own right.
Al and Gil Ayala's Body Shop in East Los Angeles was one of the best places around to go when you wanted to get your Merc into ship shape, or any shape at all. Louis "Luigi" Bettancourt's '49 Mercury was one of their masterpieces, chopped a smooth 3 inches for that sleek bathtub look. Every harsh line was rounded off, the lights Frenched, emblems and handles shaved, the beauty dropped 6 inches by C-notching the frame and using lowering blocks. The Custom Movement brought numbers of enthusiasts from both sides of the river together for the first time.
"My hero is James Dean, and he drove a '49 Merc," explains lowrider Steve Gonzalez. "He played it super cool." Young Mexican-Americans, like all Americans, saw James Dean, Elvis and American car culture as rebellious, sexy and exciting. The pachucos had been too cool for the hot rod set, but customs, which were dropped all around as barrio cars had been for decades, painted and comfortable for the boulevard, were more their speed.
This was still the '50s, and lowriding was still in its formative stages. But cruisers growing up in East Los Angeles, watching their brothers throw bags of sand in the back of the family Chevrolet, heard the name Ayala discussed with reverence. Many custom tricks copied in national magazines were created at the Ayalas' shop, and the barrio cruisers knew it. This sense of pride turned them onto the Custom Movement more than any other automotive trend, inspiring them to use variations on custom shapes and themes on their own rides.
Mexican-American and other Los Angeles youth, heirs to the pachucos' savvy saunter, had finally found a means of automotive expression that they could relate to. They didn't except the Custom Movement stock, however. They needed to transform even that, integrating their own custom traditions with this new trend, creating their own examples of automotive excellence not likely to be confused with anything on the West side of the Los Angeles river. This would be the foundation upon which all lowriding was built.
Chapter two from Lowrider Magazine's, Lowrider History Book.
JIM
BLOOD MONEY
San Diego Union
By Keith Brandon Edwards
The billion-dollar Mexican drug cartels that operate on both sides of our border may be more powerful than the Mafia at its peak. And the notorious Tijuana Cartel’s coziness with the U.S.-based Mexican Mafia threatens a chilling escalation of violence and terrorism on our turf.
There were bodies everywhere,” said one of the cops at the scene. “It looked like a scene from Rambo.”
The grisly massacre—the worst yet in Mexico’s ongoing drug war—occurred last September 17 in the suburb of El Sauzal, 5 miles north of Ensenada and just 60 miles south of San Diego. The 19 victims included five women, seven children, two infants and a 17-year-old girl who was eight months pregnant. A gang of men dressed in black pulled them all from their beds at 3 a.m., herded them outside and machine-gunned them as they lay face down on a patio.
Mexican authorities later arrested three suspects linked to the ruthless Tijuana Cartel run by the notorious Arellano Félix brothers. The cartel’s enforcer, Ramón Eduardo Arellano-Félix, suspected in the killing of a Roman Catholic cardinal in 1993, was already on the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted List.
The atrocity prompted many analysts to decry the increasing “Colombianization” of Mexico’s “narco-democracy.” In a syndicated editorial, crusading Tijuana journalist—and assassination-attempt survivor—J. Jesús Blancornelas warned Mexicans and Americans alike that the Baja killings signaled “a chilling escalation in the business of drug-related executions.”
Indeed, many el norte law-enforcement agencies warily viewed the Ensenada massacre as a calculated act of terrorism. A message. Narcotraficantes gained control of Colombia in the 1980s through extortion and a brazen willingness to kill anyone from police to politicians to journalists—and their relatives. The same has been happening in Mexico for the past decade. Could the United States be next?
Los Angeles Sheriff’s Narcotics Bureau Sergeant Ed Huffman explains the cause for concern: “The Mexican cartels are currently more active in Southern California than any other crime group. They are very violent in Mexico. And their organizations work both sides of the border.”
The Tijuana Cartel, which controls the western half of the 2,000-mile United States–Mexico border, and the competing Juárez Cartel, which controls the eastern half, have emerged as the two dominant forces in the Mexican drug trade. As many as 100 smaller groups are allied with or pay “tolls” to one or the other. Estimates of their combined earnings from the smuggling of cocaine, heroin and marijuana into the United States range from $10 billion to $30 billion a year. They spend an estimated $500 million a year on bribes—about twice the entire budget of the Mexican attorney general’s office.
The cartels have bought top politicians and military leaders. They’ve made a play at two presidents. They’ve built million-dollar “narco tunnels” under the border and turned major banks into money laundries. Pop singers write narcocorridos (narco ballads) about them. One expert described the Mexican cartels as being 10 times as powerful as the U.S. Mafia at its peak.
The Arellano-Félix or Tijuana Cartel, many experts say, is now one of the most powerful criminal organizations in the world. Ramón, Benjamin and Javier Arellano-Félix are second-generation narcotraficantes, sophisticated billionaire yuppies with their own jets and state-of-the-art surveillance and communications systems. They have squads of lawyers, CPAs and consultants. They have long been operating at large, turning up in Hawaii, Las Vegas, Los Angeles and here in San Diego. Most officials believe they now run their operation from inside the United States.
Although modern, the Arellanos remain brazenly primitive when it comes to violence, authorities say, employing “plomo o plata” (lead or silver—i.e., bullets or bribes) to advance their interests.
“Killing is a party for the Arellanos,” one insider-turned-informant told reporters in 1996. They’ve shown no compunction about killing law enforcement officials. Among their alleged victims: Tijuana Police Chief Federico Benítez-López, chief prosecutor José Arturo Ochoa-Palacios, Baja prosecutor Sergio Moreno-Pérez, federal prosecutor Jesús Romero Magaña and Tijuana’s federal police commander, Ernesto Ibarra-Santes—all brutally ambushed. The Arellanos also are believed to have been involved in the Tijuana assassination of presidential candidate Luis Donaldo Colosio in 1994.
The Ensenada massacre was part of an internecine war that produces an annual body count in the thousands. While some reports indicated it was just another hit that got out of hand, some observers were not so sure. Cartel violence is a winding road of incidents triggered by previous acts of treachery and betrayal. Authorities and citizens alike could only speculate if this was again the case.
Just a week before the Ensenada massacre, the bullet-riddled corpse of drug lord Rafaél Muñoz-Talavera was found in the trunk of a car in Juárez. At the very least, this was an interesting coincidence. Talavera had been one of Mexico’s top traffickers in 1989 when he was connected to the biggest drug bust in U.S. history—the seizure of 21.5 tons of cocaine at a warehouse in Sylmar, near Los Angeles. After serving a few years in a Mexican prison, Talavera returned to the drug trade. At the time of his death, it was rumored he was trying to take control of the Juárez Cartel, unstable since the June 1997 death of its leader, Amado Carillo-Fuentes. Some believed Talavera, perhaps as an agent of the Arellanos, was behind Carillo-Fuentes’ bizarre demise.
Carillo-Fuentes, known as “Lord of the Skies”—for the fleet of Boeing 727s that he used to fly in Colombian cocaine—was Mexico’s number-one drug baron at the time of his death. His murder triggered at least 60 killings: lawyers, accountants, traffickers, innocent bystanders. The slaughter was so brutal that thousands of Juárez residents took to the streets in a November 1997 protest march.
Although it was initially reported that Carillo-Fuentes had died from complications after plastic surgery at a Mexico City hospital, it was later revealed that he was, in fact, overdosed by his own doctors. The tortured bodies of his three plastic surgeons turned up four months later. Some believe Carillo-Fuentes’ brother Vincent tortured the doctors to find out who paid them. Some believe it was the Arellanos, or perhaps Talavera, acting on their behalf. Others speculate that Vincent, who has since assumed leadership of the Juárez Cartel, had his brother removed. Nobody knows for sure. The cartels don’t issue press releases when they decide to reorganize.
Part of U.S. law enforcement’s concern about the cartels’ northern encroachment is their potential influence on the Mexican Mafia—a separate and distinct criminal entity that controls many of Southern California’s drug-dealing street gangs. While it’s apparent the cartels are suppliers and the gangs are distributors, little is known about the nature of their relationship.
The violence of the Mexican Mafia, or la Eme, while highly feared in the United States, is restrained whencompared to that of the Mexican cartels. “The Mexican Mafia tends to be more secretive and selective when it comes to murder, “ says one DEA agent. “The cartels butcher them and leave them, like in Ensenada, to let people know they’re serious.”
La Eme has, in fact, acted to curb the killing of innocents, directing gang members to do “walk-ups” instead of “drive-bys.” San Diego police statistics show this has led to at least a 28 percent reduction in drive-by shootings since 1995. Some officers say it’s probably 50 percent. The Mexican Mafia has demonstrated that it considers too much violence to be bad for business. The worst recent la Eme incident in Southern California was the 1995 El Monte slaying of five—including two children. The hit men killed not only their target but a whole family. One of the perpetrators was later slain in prison—reportedly on orders from the Mexican Mafia.
The only known link between la Eme and the Arellano-Félix cartel was Davíd Barrón-Corona, a member of the Logan 30s, a division of one of San Diego’s largest and most violent street gangs. Barron’s story is a troubling tale of two cities, two nations and two criminal empires. Born in Tijuana, he emigrated to San Diego in 1970 and became a naturalized U.S. citizen. A gang member at 13 and a killer at 16, Barrón was 18 when he was sent to San Quentin, where he joined la Eme, reportedly carrying out a number of prison hits. He spent the 1980s in and out of U.S. prisons, finally moving to Tijuana in 1990 to work as a bodyguard for the Arellano-Félix brothers.
Barrón was soon wanted on both sides of the border for a number of brutal crimes. According to San Diego police, Barrón recruited Logan 30s street gang members as gatilleros (hired killers) for the Arellanos. Years later, indictments filed by U.S. Attorneys in San Diego would state that Barrón enlisted “henchmen from among Logan Heights gang members ... who were then directed to murder and kidnap rivals in order to secure and maintain the Arellanos’ control over drug trafficking along the border.” Barrón and associates were also wanted for the killings of two federal prosecutors and, most notably, for the assassination of Cardinal Juan Jesús Posadas-Ocampo on May 24, 1993 in Guadalajara.
The killing of the cardinal, a crime that shocked the world and turned a harsh media spotlight on the Mexican cartels, was actually a mistake. According to accounts later obtained by authorities, Barrón and his San Diego Logan 30s henchmen—along with Ramón Arellano-Félix himself—were at the Guadalajara airport to kill rival Sinaloa cartel boss Joaquín “El Chapo” Guzmán-Loera. The cardinal, sitting in a car in front of Guzmán’s armored Buick, was mistaken for the crime boss. The gang opened fire, killing the cardinal, his driver and six others in a hail of bullets.
The attempt on Guzmán-Loera was believed to be in retaliation for an attempted 1993 hit on Ramón and Javier Arellano-Félix at the disco Christine in Puerto Vallarta. Guzman had sent 40 gunmen into the nightclub, where the Arellano brothers were having a party. Nine people died in the wild shootout that ensued. Davíd Barrón reportedly killed a number of Guzman’s henchmen before saving the Arellanos by spiriting them away.
Barrón finally met his end on Thanksgiving Day 1997, while attempting to assassinate J. Jesús Blancornelas, editor of the Tijuana weekly newspaper Zeta. Blancornelas, who had aggressively investigated the Tijuana Cartel, was ambushed by Barrón and 10 assailants, who sprayed his Ford Explorer with shotgun and machine-gun fire. Blancornelas survived four bullet wounds, but his driver/bodyguard was killed. Barrón, 34, was felled by a bullet fragment fired by his own gang. He was wearing a bulletproof vest and socks with four-leaf clovers. His body was covered with tattoos, including EME across his chest, LHTS (for Logan Heights) and 16 skulls—one for each of his hits.
U.S. authorities described Barrón as “an important member of the criminal organization headed by the Arellano-Félix brothers.” The fact that he was also affiliated with the Mexican Mafia was troubling. Sergeant David Contreras of the SDPD Gang Suppression Unit explains: “It’s believed that Davíd Barrón’s overall plan was to recruit Mexican Mafia members into his own little army of killers, work for the Arellano-Félix cartel as assassins and eventually incorporate the Mexican Mafia with them.”
Some have speculated that Barrón and the Mexican Mafia had designs on taking over the Arellano cartel. Whatever his plan, Barrón obviously had forsaken la Eme’s restrained approach toward violence and embraced the more savage ways of the Tijuana cartel.
In February 1998, nine other San Diego gang members were indicted in U.S. federal court on conspiracy charges tying them to the Arellano-Félix cartel. Former SDPD Chief Jerry Sanders told reporters that San Diego was “in a position where we are sharing criminals with Mexico, unfortunately.” Three of those indicted have since copped pleas and received sentences ranging from 18 to 20 years. Six others remain at large. The most notorious of these, Alfredo “Big Popeye” Araujo-Ávila and Marcos “Pato” Quiñones-Sánchez, like David Barrón-Corona, are also believed to have ties with la Eme.
A 1997 Los Angeles trial of 13 alleged Mexican Mafia members—the largest organized-crime prosecution in L.A. history —provided many revelations about la Eme. The evidence, including some 300 audio- and videotapes, tied defendants to the killings or attempted murders of 25 people and the use of extortion and threats to control Southern California street gangs and drug sales. Three of the murder victims, including gang counselor Ana Lizarraga, had served as advisers on the 1992 movie American Me, a fictional portrayal of la Eme. The trial ended in 12 convictions and 10 life sentences.
Task force investigations of both the cartels and la Eme are ongoing in Southern California. The Arellanos’ reputed trafficking chief in Los Angeles, Jorge “Jefe” Castro, and eight others were indicted on federal drug charges in July 1998. Cocaine shipments totaling 7,600 pounds and more than $15 million in cash allegedly tied to Castro were seized at locations throughout Southern California, including Escondido.
Last February, 10 drug traffickers were arrested in San Diego, Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties, some of them identified by the FBI as being “connected with” the Arellano-Félix cartel. Another investigation spearheaded by the U.S. Attorney culminated at the same time with predawn raids by 200 officers and the arrests of 16 suspected Mexican Mafia members throughout Los Angeles County.
Fortunately, most gang activity in San Diego to date has nothing to do with the cartels or the Mexican Mafia. “Most of our gang shootings occur over girls, cars, jewelry and shoes,” says Lieutenant Melvin Maxwell of the SDPD Street Gang Unit. He points out that only eight killings of San Diego’s 42 last year were gang-related.
FBI stats for 1997 show there were 67 murders in San Diego. Los Angeles, by contrast, had 576—half of which are estimated to be gang-related.
Special Agent Vince Rice of the DEA’s San Diego office worked the border in San Ysidro for five years. “We have no proof of the Mexican Mafia controlling local gangs, and I don’t know if anybody does, because those guys don’t talk about it. But it’s kind of understood they have some kind of affiliation.”
Garland Peed of the San Diego District Attorney’s Gang Unit says: “Most of their power is inside [the prisons]. Street gangs fear them because if they do go into custody, they’re exposed to them.”
Sergeant David Contreras of the SDPD says that the Mexican Mafia doesn’t actually control any street gangs in San Diego. “They have influence because of the fear and intimidation,” Contreras says, “but we don’t have that problem where they tax gangs 10 percent, like they do in L.A.”
But San Diego deputy D.A. Marty Martins, who works as a liaison at the DEA, disagrees. The Mexican Mafia may not tax the gangs 10 percent on all their dealings, he says, but it does tax them on drug transactions.
The DEA’s Rice worked with two gang informants who turned up dead in Tijuana —shot execution style in the back of the heads—even after he warned them not to go there. “They waited for them to cross the border,” he says. “Gangs prefer to do their hits in Mexico, because they know they won’t get the same attention as they would in the U.S.”
Some believe this explains the relatively low number of gang killings in San Diego compared to Los Angeles. But evidence indicates that some victims dumped in Tijuana have actually been snatched up first in San Diego, where they were murdered. In one year (1994), Tijuana authorities say, the bodies of five San Diego murder victims turned up across the border
SDPD’s Contreras doesn’t believe San Diego will ever experience anything like the cartel violence in Mexico, where 12 officers were killed this year in a three-month period. “Our department is very well prepared for them, both physically and mentally,” he says. “They know the consequences. We have good intelligence from working with DEA, federal, state and local agencies. We know their tactics. And their money doesn’t buy many police officers here.”
Nonetheless, SDPD has already taken precautionary steps, instituting an annual safety course called the International Police Programs. These workshops present officers with varied scenarios, teaching them how to best survive attacks, how to conduct “hot stops” on felony suspects and confront individuals who are possibly armed.
Opinion is split on whether Baja-style violence will soon reach San Diego. Our justice system isn’t as corrupt as Mexico’s, experts say. Others, however, warn that the cartels are practiced in the art of corruption and that more U.S. drug cops are succumbing to their often staggeringly huge bribes. And unlike the Mexican Mafia, the cartels may not shy away from a war with law enforcement.
Laura Birkmier, an assistant U.S. Attorney in San Diego, allows as how there is some concern; a prosecutor involved in a cartel-related case, in fact, received some threats last year. “It’s not commonplace,” says Birkmier, “but there are cases where U.S. federal prosecutors get threatened.”
Still, most U.S. drug cops are confident. Says one federal agent based in San Diego: “Let’s just say that if that ever happened [the cartels attacking U.S. law enforcement], our administration would probably give us the means and latitude to do what we had to do.”
Peace between the Tijuana and Juárez cartels, meanwhile, is unlikely. Any truce will be temporary and fraught with betrayal, experts say, for their war is not merely business but personal. An Arellano associate once infiltrated the organization of a Fuentes lieutenant, seducing his wife and persuading her to run away with him—after taking $7 million of her husband’s money. The Arellano man then had the woman decapitated and sent her head in a box to the Fuentes lieutenant. Officials believe he also drowned the man’s two children, throwing them off a bridge in Venezuela.
As for la Eme and the cartels, “there is a compelling logic for their collaboration and alliance,” says Peter H. Smith, UCSD’s director of Latin-American studies. “The Arellano-Félix organization wants local distributors. And to the Mexican Mafia, the Arellano-Félix cartel is like the Microsoft of their world.” Any alliance, of course, will be predatory, opportunistic and treacherous. Although he isn’t sure it will occur, Smith believes war between the two is a very real and “hellacious” possibility.
“My guess is that the culture of the two groups is less different than the environments in which they operate,” says Smith. If the two unite or cooperate, he says, one possible outcome is that the Mexican Mafia will become as brazenly violent as the Tijuana Cartel. “In that case, my guess is they would soon be out of business.”
The other possibility is that the Arellanos will learn from the Mexican Mafia and adopt a more subtle use of violence, much like the Cali cartel did in Colombia. “That is actually not a positive scenario,” Smith concludes. “It would make the Arellano-Félix cartel more durable and efficient, even stronger as an organization. It might lead to less violence in the short term—but to even greater power for them in the long term.”
That blood money article was copied right out of the Mafia Times blog . C'mon locos lets not resort to copying shit from other sites.Can't we come up with our own shit ?
Anonymous said...
And you have the nerve to call people who believe Aztlan existed stupid? What's smart about believing everything the American, White, Christian establishment taught you, considering that 90% of THEIR bullshit can't be proven any more than the existance of Aztlan can?
The American history books tell us that the Spanish conquistadores defeated the Aztecs and claimed what is today the southwest for Spain.
They tell us that Mexico as it is today never existed until after the revolution. Spain claimed it as theirs. If you believe that's bullshit, then how do you feel about the revolution? Who the fuck do you think they were revolting against? You can't believe in one and not the other, they go hand in hand.
A la chingada.
So I guess you think what the American history books tell us about Costilla, Iturbide, Zapata,
Santa Ana, Villa, etc. etc. is also bullshit. Is that what you think?
You can't pick and choose and say the part that you like is true and the part that you don't like is bullshit.
It's all tied together pendejo.
There are now three generations of Chicanos that have been lied to and bullshitted by some Chicano militants who hate the gavas.
It's like the white supremacists who say the holocaust never happened. Or it was greatly exaggerated. THEY HAVE TO SAY THAT TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA AND SPREAD THE HATE.
And, the Mechistas and Aztlan movement Chicano have to spread their pedo for the same reasons.
They just can't say: "Fuck it eh, I hate the gavas cause their white" or they wouldn't be able to claim righteousness. So they come up with the pedo about the gavas
"stealing" the southwest U.S. from us. But they ignore the fact that we stole it from Spain, who stole it from the indios. We are no better or worse than the gavas. That's life, it has been happening since the beginning of time.
Wars/revolutions have been fought since day one over land and power.
Look how long it's been going on with Israel and the Palestinians.
History proves the Aztlan argument is bullshit. Mexicans should just step up and say that we want the southwest because it gives us more land and power.
That would be the truth, and every educated person who has the ability to think for themselves knows it.
The Aztlan pendejos and the Mechistas sound just as stupid and fucked up as the KKK when they spout their bullshit.
"If you believe that's bullshit, then how do you feel about the revolution? Who the fuck do you think they were revolting against? You can't believe in one and not the other, they go hand in hand."
You are right. We can't pick and choose what we want and exist in this Chicano Fantasyland. That is, unless we're high on chiva, scratching our nuts while we lie to each other. That makes us no different than the pinchi mallates who still cry about 400 years of slavery and demand handouts!
"That blood money article was copied right out of the Mafia Times blog . C'mon locos lets not resort to copying shit from other sites.Can't we come up with our own shit ?"
Sorry, this article was actually copied and pasted from the following link:
http://www.sandiego-online.com/issues/june99/blood.shtml
No hay cuidado! We all greet you back with open arms.
Oskar (with a K)
Beginning...
The Roots of Lowriding.
When the lights go up at today's huge lowrider shows, hundreds of cars gleaming with triple-dipped chrome and gold plating, elaborate candy and metalflake paint jobs, rolling on custom-spoked wire rims featuring the finest spinners money can buy, fans throughout Aztlan (Chicano slang for the American Southwest) and all America, to Japan and Europe, gasp with appreciation and envy. As lowriding has taken the world by storm, it has also taken the mainstream automotive industry by surprise--no one seems to know where the world's number one auto trend came from. Some automotive enthusiasts like to write the sport off as the new cruiser on the block, eyeing hoppers and their high performance hydraulics somewhat suspiciously.
Other custom car historians dig a little deeper, tapping out a few lines about the late '70s, the television show Chico and the Man, and the first few issues of Low Rider Magazine evidence enough that lowriders have enjoyed at least a decade or two on the streets. But, lowriding's roots reach far deeper into history than that, the result of two very different traditions, California car culture and Mexican cultura coming together in Southern California. Lowriding has always had a distinct Mexican flavor, hotter than hot rods and lower than customs.
Throughout many Mexican-American neighborhoods, called barrios, from East Los Angeles to El Paso, Texas, cruisers have been dropping Chevrolets to a sidewalk-scraping stance since the late 1930s. It was part of the "zoot suit" fashion, a trend popular among teenagers from every culture. Mexican-American zooters, cool from slicked back hair to highly polished shoes, called themselves pachucos. They cruised beautifully restored, older Chevys, decked out in their oversized zoot suits for a night on the town. Often just the back of the Chevy was temporarily lowered, using sandbags hidden in the trunk beneath strategically placed planks of wood, or permanently dropped all around, the springs shortened by cutting the top few coils or heated until they collapsed to a proper cruising height. They cruised through the streets, honoring a custom that may have been practiced since the heyday of the Aztlan Empire.
The paseo, still honored today in many small Mexican towns, is a tradition where young, unmarried villagers walking around the village's central plaza, young women in one direction, men in the other, blushing and making eye contact. According to legend, the cruise is merely an automotive extension of this ancient tradition, practiced in Southern California long before it was ever a part of the United States.
After World War II, America's economy was booming. Southern California' the '30s its comparatively strong economy during the Great Depression had attracted immigrants from the dust bowls of the Central United States and Northern Mexico--was ready to roll. Prior to the war, most "customizers" were interested in speed, not looks, making inexpensive modifications under the hood while removing heavy, "useless" extras like the fenders and roof. Early custom and lowriding (although the word would not come into use until the 1960s) enthusiasts, however, in particular the pachucos, were more interested in looks, class and style.
It was all on a Depression-era budget, but the seeds were being sown for modern custom trends. After World War II, the hard-driving economy fueled a new generation of automotive enthusiasts, these early styles began branching out, racers, now called hot rods, joined by lakesters, street rods, roadsters, customs, cruisers and finally, lowriders, each new style owing a debt to the cars that came before it.
By the late 1950s and early '60s, what we would now consider lowriders were finally hitting Whittier Boulevard in great numbers. Such fine rides wouldn't appear overnight, however. California car culture and Mexican-American cultura would both develop and grow, each enriching the larger American culture with every passing decade.
Pachucismo: Lowriding's Well-Dressed Roots California, along with Arizona, New Mexico and Texas, as well as parts of Colorado, Nevada and Wyoming, were part of Mexico until the 1830s, when Mexico ceded the huge territory to the U.S. Many Mexican-American and Spanish families remained on their ancestral lands, continuing to speak Spanish and retain a distinctly Mexican cultura. Later, from about 1910 to the mid '20s, a wave of new Mexican immigrants--approximately 10-percent of the Mexican population--fled the bloody Mexican Revolution and settled in many major urban centers of the Southwest, in particular, El Paso, Texas, and East Los Angeles. They came, like so many others to this nation of immigrants, seeking stability, peace, and a better life for their children. It was difficult, as it was for refugees from Eastern Europe or Ireland, but many managed to carve out a decent life for themselves in the land of opportunity.
Professor Ruben Mendoza points out that one of their means of surviving in the U.S. might be the basis of modern day car clubs. "After the Revolution, Mexicans were brought over to the United States to work in the mines, railroads and farms; many of these new workers were exploited, and without any type of job security or insurance, an illness or other calamity could destroy their lives. Many of these immigrants formed 'mutual aid societies,' or social clubs, where they would meet and socialize on a regular basis. The purpose of the group, however, was survival.
They would all contribute money, and if any of them got sick or in trouble, that could be used to help the ailing member out. That same type of organization. Within a single generation, the English-speaking children of these first immigrants were feeling more a part of American life. Part of the American dream of the '30s and '40s was owning a car, and when the family finally saved enough for that ride, it became almost a member of the family. Most of the cars cruising the barrios were second hand, and Chevrolets, less expensive and easier to repair, as well as more stylish compared to practical Fords, became the cars of choice.
The desire to be different was no less apparent in Mexican-American communities than anywhere else in the country, and they, too, customized their cars to look unique. Rather than the fast looking "California rake," these young pachucos would drop the back of the car for a sleek, mean look that turned everyone's head. "They were family cars, but we used to fix them up," remembers former pachuco and United Farm Workers co-founder Cesar Chavez. "We fixed up several. The one that we had for the longest period of time was a '40 Chevy. In those days you went the opposite [of the hot rodders]--low in the back. We lowered the rear springs, had fender skirts, two side pipes. It was mostly cosmetic stuff in those days. You had to have two spotlights and two antennas, and a big red stop light in the back.
Hubcaps, oh, they used to steal hubcaps. The ones that we had, had just one bar across, and big wide whitewalls. When we got out of the car, we had a screwdriver to take off the hubcaps and lock them in the trunk. When we got back we would put them back on." There were plenty of modifications for specific Chevys becoming popular in the barrios. The "alligator hood" looked great on models with hoods hinged down the center, like the '39 Chevy. Originally, the hood would open up like wings, but this was converted to open from the front, like an alligator's mouth.
For pachucos still customizing Fords, the bumper soon became a problem. Original Ford bumpers had a dip in the center that scraped the ground after the coils were cut or, by those with tougher bottoms, removed. The owner would either flip the bumper, remove it entirely, or switch it. "The most popular to switch was the '37 DeSoto bumper with the five narrow ribs that matched the grille and chrome horn covers on the front fenders," reminisces lowrider historian David Holland. "The '37 DeSoto was a stupid looking car, but it sure had bad bumpers. Also, the '41 Ford bumpers were popular." still exists today in disenfranchised communities, as neighborhood groups, gangs and car clubs."
Lowrider style has changed a great deal over the past 50 years--although you still have to take extra care of a car sporting a nice set of rims--but, as Cesar Chavez pointed out, Chicano cruisers have always customized their cars very differently from the speedier sets. "Lowriders do happen to alter a car in a way that makes it almost the precise opposite of a style long favored by Anglo car customizers," noted Calvin Trillin in the New Yorker. "The California rake, which has a jacked up rear instead of a lowered one, outlandishly wide tires instead of tires that seem much too small for the car, and a souped up motor instead of one that has been filely ignored." The "East L.A. rake" was part of a new style that was developing.
These cars not only looked clean, but they were also a way of showing defiance against the mainstream culture. The young pachucos cruising these beauties on Whittier Boulevard, the main strip in East Los Angeles, or on Boulevards throughout the Southwest, had also developed their own style of clothing and hair, which was stirring things up a bit. The zoot suit craze had been spreading across the country throughout the late '30s, popularized by movie stars like Clark Gable. Blacks in Harlem, New York, popularized the look, an enormously oversized jacket over baggy pants with pegged legs. Young Mexican-Americans called them drapes, and often dropped the fancy fedora altogether. There was some concern on the part of the mainstream about the refusal of these young people to assimilate.
Older, more conservative Mexican-Americans also worried about their children's new look. "I started wearing zoot suits when it became and issue," Cesar Chavez explained. "The Chicano community was divided about the dress. Some people just wouldn't wear them, because they thought everybody who did was no good. The girls also wore their trapos, even though people would say, 'you're no good.' You see, the people that wore them eran los mas pobres, guys like us who were migrant farm workers."
Patricia Alcala, who allowed the PBS documentary Low and Slow cover her daughter's lowrider quincianera, had a similar experience. "Back in the '40s, we couldn't wear tight skirts, dangly earrings, or speak Spanish. If you did, you were labeled 'bad.' " But, like so many young cruisers of their generation, Chavez and Alcala continued to wear the pachuco fashion and speak Spanish, at least when their teachers weren't around. The car, the clothes and the language were all badges of pride for a generation caught between cultures, struggling to find their own identity.
What frightened many Southern Californians, however, was not just the pachucos' rough and ready reputation. It was their ability to move through traditionally Anglo areas with ease. "Being strangers to an urban environment, the first generation tended to respect the boundaries of the Mexican communities," writes historian Carey McWilliams of the pachucos' first lows. "But, the second generation was lured far beyond these boundaries into the downtown shopping districts, to the beaches and, above all, to the glamour of Hollywood. It was this generation of Mexicans, the pachuco generation, that first came to the general notice and attention of the Anglo-American population."
The attention that the pachucos got, with their cars, clothes and street slang, called calo, was notorious. "We went to the movies--we were just waiting outside--and the guy wouldn't let us in with a pass," said Cesar Chavez. "The cops came and then stood us against a wall and searched us. They ripped our pants--can you imagine? In those days the one that I had was a sharkskin suit and it cost me $45, a lot of money in those days--we're talking about 1942 or '43." Cesar wasn't the only one. "I was just hanging out [on the corner of 5th Avenue and Glendale Avenue] with my homeboys in a zoot suit, when a city of Glendale placa [police car] drove up and called me over," Noni Maldonado told "El Danny" in an article for Barrio Breakthrough Magazine. "Our zoot suits, to us, were firme trajes, to go to dances and hang out with the pleve. We weren't into gangs or pachuco fighting. We just automatically got stereotyped because of our clothes and our hair style, but that was us!"
Chapter one from Lowrider Magazine's, Lowrider History Book.
JIM
So what does the Myth of Aztlan have to do with the Smog in L.A.?
Man those were great articles from Jim and as far as I'm concerned pretty much "right on".
When the story mentioned "Tin Can Beach" it really brought back some great memories when I was a kid and my Dad and Uncles and friends would all load up the cars with food and tents and kids and beer and we all would drive (no freeways in those days!) all the way down to "Tin Can Beach" (I think it was a dump at one time? cause there was all this old rubbish and rusty can's all over the beach), and shit I recall these cars with all these kids hanging out of the windows and in "rumble seats" and boxes of food and watermelons and tents and crap all tied onto the cars all heading down there like a bunch of "Okies".
ANd what a ball we would have with whole families including old grandma's and aunts and uncles and cousins and camping out on the beach and as I recall it was almost all Mexican Americans there. Shit I wonder now if it was because we weren't welcome any where else? Anyway it was a sight to see!
Good articles Jim!
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So what does the Myth of Aztlan have to do with the Smog in L.A.?
About as much as anything else, since LA has such a large population of Chicanos. Many of them are being sold this myth as gospel.
I'm just glad to see you call it a myth. You are obviously a free thinker and intelligent.
And this vato called it as it is.
You are right. We can't pick and choose what we want and exist in this Chicano Fantasyland. That is, unless we're high on chiva, scratching our nuts while we lie to each other. That makes us no different than the pinchi mallates who still cry about 400 years of slavery and demand handouts!
ORALE.
Also good article concerning the Mexicano drug cartels like the Arellano Felix, Juarez, etc. and the connection to the US EME.
The Mexicano "go go" cartels are just transitory phenom's. The old boys are still around, believe me, and the old connections with the Carnals will endure and thrive as always.
THese recent violent and headline grabbing pendejos are nothing but rich "juniors" who are all caught up in extreme "materialistic" bullshit with expensive cars, and the latest machine gun weaponery, out in public acting like they are "Al Pacino" in "Scarface" and the visible wealth and firepower is always shortlived and idiotic. What happened to the "Arrellano Felix Bros.? and the Fuentes from Juarez and these clowns in Matamoros? They are all dead or fucked up or soon going to be!
These young rico "disco babys" are always used by the real power that you will never hear about but have been entrenched for generations. And as the article stated correctly all these drugs come through the distributors here in the US (guess who?) and who wisely keep a "low profile".
has anyone else checked that Joe Pusher site, http://www.joepusher.com
That fucker is going right up into east L.A. and shooting pornos some fine ass cholitas. Am I the only one who's tired of this kind of bullshit. He's even going into other varrios in other areas. you can tell by the street signs when he's driving around.
//Am I the only one who's tired of this kind of bullshit. He's even going into other varrios in other areas. you can tell by the street signs when he's driving around//
If you were so angry, you wouldn't RE-POST this idiot's web site. I know you're not a shill, verdad? We heard your complaint and now it's time to move on to new shit.
has anyone heard of suicidals,like venice and long beach, oc ect. are they still around and what car would they ride in the pen
Those vatos in Farmington just blasted on those mayates, the 1 Niners. I think they call themselves Los Mags.
I have a question anyone knoe if Fernando Vargas was officially jumped into la colonia, or is he just affliated?
Inmate Fatally Wounded at Substance Abuse Treatment Facility
Correctional Officers resorted to lethal force to save the life of an inmate who was being stabbed by two other inmates this morning.
At 8:46 a.m. today, inmate “A” and inmate “B” attacked inmate “C” in the dayroom of a maximum-security housing unit at California Substance Abuse Treatment Facility and State Prison at Corcoran (SATF). Inmate “A” and “B”, using inmate-made stabbing weapons, ignored verbal orders by SATF officers to stop their attack. Correctional officers discharged two non-lethal foam roiunds, but “A” and “B” continued to stab inmate “C”. One lethal round from the mini-14 rifle struck inmate “A”. “B” continued his attack until officers, using baton and pepper spray, pulled him off “C”.
Inmate “A”, 24, was pronounced dead at 10:10 a.m. at a community hospital. “A” was received from Orange County on Nov. 19, 2003. He was serving a 40-year-to- ife sentence for one count of second-degree murder.
Inmate “C”, 28, was transported to another hospital for treatment of multiple stab wounds. He is currently in stable condition. “C” was received Aug 22, 1997 from Los Angeles County with a 17-year sentence for voluntary manslaughter.
Inmate “B” was not injured. He is currently in the prison’s Administrative Segregation Unit. “B”, 26, was received April 16, 2001 from Orange County. He was serving a 118-year sentence for five counts of attempted first-degree murder.
SATF staff and administrators are investigating the incident. Staff recovered two- inmate made weapons. The correctional officer who discharged the lethal round is on paid administrative leave pending investigation. The California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation has deployed a Deadly Force Investigation Team to the prison. The Office of the Inspector General’s Bureau of Independent Review has responded to SATF to monitor the CRCD investigation. The Kings County District Attorney’s Office is investigating this incident as well.
SATF, one of two state prisons located in Corcoran, provides therapeutic community substance abuse treatment beds and is a general population prison for medium and maximum security inmates. There are approximately 7,400 inmates housed there.
SEE TRUKOS, JUST CAUSE YOUR A WANNABE SURENO DONT MEAN VATOS FROM LOS WILL AUTOMATICALLY LOVE YOU. THE GIST OF THE STORY AT THE BALLGAME HAS YOU AFRAID... AND IT WAS YOUR STORY...A REAL PINTO CAN SEE THAT..
are you trying to get with trukos or what
Man that Trukos dude been poked way 2 much.. think std's man..
: )
Lego Sex
I think the U.S should just take over Mexico and over throw Vincente Fox.Forget about the borders,make Mexico part of the U.S. since they all want to be here anyway.
Just posted on Drudge
'SHOTS FIRED' ON CAP HILL'
Four ambulances arrive at House office building following reports of gunfire...
Police sealed off U.S. Capitol Friday after reports of gunfire in House office building across street...
Smell of smoke in the lobby...
Blackberry message: This is a message from the U.S. Capitol Police
1. If you are in the Rayburn HOB then Shelter in Place. Quickly move into the nearest interior office space or interior hallway and away from windows. The Capitol Police are investigating reports of gunfire in the Rayburn HOB.
2. If nearby, grab Go-Kits and personal belongings.
3. Close doors behind you, but do not lock.
4. Remain calm.
5. Await further instructions. Do not leave the building.
Bullshit, ese you dont know me and you dont know who I know, as well as my family, you stupid fool. I aint never said I had any problems trying to bang or any shit like that, Im not stupid enough to get jumped in, but Im smart to beat some punks ass bitch, like yourself's ass.Ive been around the game since I was a little kid, my family is not rich, we stuggle like anyone else, I has lost a primo due to gang violence, I was born in Los Angeles, as was my father and his father, so what the fuck are you talking about? Where Im from in Los fools dont even get along that live down the street from each other. I never said I was looking for love from peers, or I get love cause Im from Los, but I sure as hell wouldnt let a dumd ass like yourself disrespect my home town,....nowwwww BITCH!
i will show you some love trukos, finger love
see homie, you cant seem to get away from homosexual tendencies, you need some help. I bet your picture is on meganslaw website
A huevo Trukos pero abusado! This chester, mr. multiple personalities could be more than a "Mamon" he might enjoy physical pain as well.
Example: go rent the old movie "Midnight Cowboy" with Dustin Hoffman and John Voight, and pay attention to the putos that want to go down on John Voight (cowboy) then not pay. When he gets physical with them they get off on it.
Mr. confused individual in his posts reminds me of the joto in the movie theater going south on John Voight (cowboy) then not having the lana to pay for his "verguenzas"
Truchas!
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