Friday, June 22, 2007

HE'S FINALLY HERE.
After decades of talking about it, the city finally has a gang -- what? Boss? Emperor? Overlord? Call him anything but Czar. According to Rev. Jeff Carr, a Czar is a guy who is forcibly retired in front of a firing squad. Can't fault him for the analogy.

It'll be interesting to see how much horsepower he'll be given and what precisely will he do. At this point, nobody seems to know. The old dictum is that he who holds the purse strings wields the power. But it's not clear if he'll have control of doling out funds to intervention programs or pulling the plug on them if they crash and burn like No Guns.

From everything we've heard so far, his position is that of advisor to the Mayor. Which doesn't sound like an executive position. He's the go-to guy when the Mayor needs to decide on gang issues. This is probably not the way the office should have been organized but the rumor is that Carr was picked more for his ability to solicit grants from public and private sector sources than any actual gang intervention capabilities. We'll see.

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barney fife said...

I'm innocent says the weasel, poor marroquin sr. is he another innocent mexican victim of the racist gavacho system? The article says marroquin sr. is "a one time member of 18th street gang", the Los Angeles times reporter should go look at the L.A. Weekly pictures of weasel sr. throwing up his gang signs with weasel jr. I wonder if marroquin sr. is another victim of the three strikes tough sentincing laws.

Marroquin Jr. (aka lil weasel) just pleaded guilty to a home invasion robbery (see LA Weekly).

Is this another outstanding mexican famila being unjustly prosecuted by the gavacho system, or some brown mayates finally getting what they deserve? I wonder what Don Q cholo says about these two cholo clowns

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No Guns founder pleads not guilty to gun charges
From Times Staff and Wire Reports
June 22, 2007


The founder of an antiviolence group called No Guns pleaded not guilty Thursday to federal weapons charges.

Hector "Big Weasel" Marroquin is accused of selling an assault rifle, a machine gun, two pistols and two silencers to undercover federal agents last fall. He could face up to 50 years in prison if convicted.

Marroquin, 51, of Downey, is a onetime member of the 18th Street gang who founded No Guns in 1996. No Guns received $1.5 million from the city as a subcontractor on anti-gang efforts, but its contract was canceled last year.

Marroquin is charged with three counts of manufacture, distribution and transport for sale of an unlawful assault weapon, along with one count each of machine gun conversion and possession of a silencer. He remains free on $260,000 bail.

Gava Joe said...

He's Finally Here??

My Gawd Wally! If my info's correct this new empressario is an ordained minister in the Church of the Nazarene? The old dictum that politics and religion don't mix is on the brink of validation..

But its just like your exhuberant mayor to make a quirky choice like this one.

I live in a town where not 10 yrs. ago a delegation of folk from the Church of the N tried to ban DANCING from the local High School!

Realizing that sometimes its prudent to assign an outsider to solve big problems, but Holy Cow it seems like a reach to take this fella on.. Is his religious affiliation maybe something the Dem politicos are strategizing with? I've read that Raza has begun to secede from the Catholic Church. Maybe the plan of attack on gang culture is "through the back door"? Churches?? Clever??
John Belushi would say,"You got a good idea, you almost had it But NOoo".

don quixote said...

Yea Wally, I think you hit the nail on the head, the Rev. Jeff Carr is not only a Reverend of the CHurch of the Nazarene, but the shot caller for thier "Bresee Foundation" and seems to have a very successful track record in political lobbying and grant requests, and also assisting families who are impacted by all the LA pitfalls like drugs, poverty, dysfunctional families, ect;.
Here's a little more info on the Rev Carr and his work with the "SOjourners"
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Jeff Carr
Chief Operating Officer
Jeff comes to Sojourners and Call to Renewal after 17 years of ministry as the Executive Director of the Bresee Foundation in Los Angeles, CA (www.bresee.org) where he was responsible for the overall direction and development of this faith-based organization that provided comprehensive programs for over 3,500 low-income youth and families each year. He and his family lived in the inner city neighborhood where Bresee was located and were committed to incarnational ministry amongst the poor. He was raised in the Church of the Nazarene and followed in his fathers footsteps by becoming an ordained minister in the church.

Jeff is married to Wendy Carr and they have two children, Caleb (7) and Maggie (3) and live in the Columbia Heights neighborhood of Washington, D.C. During the year prior to coming to Sojourners/Call to Renewal, Jeff and his family took a year off to travel around the USA and Canada in a motor home.

Jeff is an avid golfer, a news and politics junky, and loves being a husband and father.
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I also understand that the Rev Carr is very close to Presidential Candidate Hillary Clinton, who Mayor V has recently endorsed for President. Hmmmmmm!
Politics as usual but sometimes thats what it takes to get things done and to funnel the lana to where it's needed.

I also see that the right wing lunatic fringe has gone totally apoplectic over the reverends appointment who they are calling everything from a Marxixt Leninist stooge to the ANti Christ incarnate.

Seems he doesn't meet there criteria as an Evangelist like the late Jerry "hairspray" Falwell or Pat "God caused the 911 NYC buildings to be bombed because they were full of Liberals!) Robertson, or other right wing Revren's.

It's going to be fun to watch and I wish them luck and success cause we need someone to be succesful with the gang problem, like Chief Bratton says "we can't arrest ourselves out of the gang situation".

Curious though that in a city where the overwhelming majority of the gang members are Black or Latino the new gang jefe is a Gavacho. Might just be a brilliant manuever!
dq

Anonymous said...

I dont know who's ass the Mayor is licking or what political kick back he's trying to get or expecting, but this guy is just an average Joe in trying to solve LA's gang issues. First of all, he's WHITE! Father-G is the only white guy accepted in the LA Gang world but his stripes have only been earned mostly by the Latino community. I never heard of this guy at the bottom street level intervention. Gangmembers from any neighborhood - brown or black must know your name and street reputation. Then, the most important part is that the families of these people can sit down talk to you with you spitting religion at them. You must earn serious respect from both communities - black and brown. Now, does he even know the difference between a Hoover Criminal, a crip, a Blood, a Maravilla, the term NELA, or Dog Patch to a Dog Town. Does he know the fight between ECC and F13? Mongols and 18th street(EME)?
Man I'm telling you, LA city gangs are going right and the Mayor's office is going Left. We always end up worst than where we started. Why can't they pick a social worker or a probation officer or a combination of these two people together. Does this guy even talk spanish? Does he know Black street lingo. He probably be one of those stupid people that will tell a blood gang member - "what's cracking" and a crip gangster "what's up dog."
I'm telling you guys, the city of LA just created an additional job to please someone - a total waste of tax payers money again. This is the reason why a lot of good people just leave government jobs and abandon the hopes of helping a family with gang issues or a neigborhood youngster.
Just ship while everyone still can....this is hopeless.
Another Rice story.

Anonymous said...

THE NEW GANG CZAR IS WHITE AND A MINISTER OF GOD..HE MIGHT NOT KNOW "WHATS UP" IN THE STREET LIFE, BUT PROBABLY CAN SEE A GROUP OF YOUTH IN NEED OF PROPER GUIDANCE, AWAY FROM NEGATIVE DIRECTION TO A POSITIVE ONE..I DONT KNOW ABOUT THE BLACKS, BUT, GIVING CHICANO "FORMER" GANG MEMBERS ANY MONEY OR POWER, THEY LOSE THEIR MINDS, AND END UP ARRESTED FOR SELLING DRUGS OR GUNS OR SOMETHING STUPID..LOOK AT WEASEL,AND THE PARADE OF FOOLS BEFORE HIM OVER THE YEARS..SORRY TO SAY, MAYBE THIS WHITE MINISTER CAN DO THE JOB RIGHT FOR THE GOOD OF ALL YOUTH IN THIS CITY..( ROCKY IS ON THE STUPID LIST TOO)..WITH LOVE, A LOS ANGELES RESIDENT..

Anonymous said...

I am sick and tired of this blog. Wally you need a change of direction, it looks too much like Mayor Sam's blog. Now about Dubya, last week's presidential tour featured lots of protest and precious little adulation. In the Czech Republic, demonstrators greeted Bush with signs reading "Bush number one terrorist." In Italy, where more than two dozen CIA agents face criminal trial for the illegal "rendition" of terror suspects, tens of thousands of anti-Bush protesters took to the streets. At the Vatican, the pope took Bush to task over the Iraq war. Only in Albania did Bush receive a rapturous welcome — though video footage led to speculation that in the celebration an Albanian Bush "fan" may have relieved the president of his watch. Come to think of it, there is one thing for which we should all give the president credit. Bush famously promised to be a uniter, not a divider — and at long last, he may have managed to keep that promise. Though there's still much that divides us, the nation and the world are increasingly united on at least one issue: We're sick and tired of the presidency of George W. Bush.

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Anonymous said...

THE NEW GANG CZAR IS clorox with added whiteners WHITE AND A reverend MINISTER of the irrelevant. HE MIGHT NOT KNOW "WHATS UP" IN THE STREET LIFE, BUT dang sure nuff know what direction to point the catsup bottle. MAYBE THIS WHITE MINISTER CAN DO THE right JOB RIGHT FOR THE right price.

el travieso said...

Anonymous raza said ........
I don’t know who's ass the Mayor is licking or what political kick back he's trying to get or expecting, but this guy is just an average Joe in trying to solve LA's gang issues. First of all, he's WHITE! Father-G is the only white guy accepted in the LA Gang world but his stripes have only been earned mostly by the Latino community. I never heard of this guy at the bottom street level intervention. Gang members from any neighborhood - brown or black must know your name and street reputation.

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The new gang "mas chingon" a gavacho, ay dios mio. We really need a mexican ex-felon with a reputation to be in charge of handling the millions of dollars. We know an ex-felon is the only one we can trust with our young aztlan cholitos. To bad Marroquin Sr. is being set-up by the feds, because the weasel is raza with street experience and we need him teaching and mentoring our little cholitos, que no?

Maybe the governor will give Marroquin Sr (aka weasel) a pardon and then he can save the Los Angeles kids!!!!

don quixote said...

After doing a little detective work on our new gang czar, oop's I mean gang intervention engineer, I obtained this piece of info, (after paying out a couple of sawbucks to the man with the scam), on the right Rev. Jeff Carr.
This was part of his confession and "I know how you feel Tony" speech given to Mayor Tony V. while being interviewed for his new position as Gang Jefe.

Rev Carr wrote this out longhand for the Mayor and titled it
"I can't get no, no Satisfaction!"

When I was 14, I hoped that one day I would have a girlfriend.

When I was 16, I got a girlfriend, but there was no passion. So I
decided I
needed a passionate girl with a zest for life.

In college I dated a passionate girl, but she was too emotional.

Everything was an emergency, she was a drama queen, cried all the time
and
threatened suicide. So I decided I needed a girl with stability.

When I was 25 I found a very stable girl but she was boring. She was
totally
predictable and never got excited about anything. Life became so dull
that
I
decided I needed a girl with excitement.

When I was 28 I found an exciting girl, but couldn't keep up with her.

She rushed from one thing to another, never settling on anything.

She did mad impetuous things and flirted with everyone she met. She made
me
miserable as much as happy. She was great fun initially and very
energetic,
but directionless. So I decided to find a girl with some ambition.

When I turned 31, I found a smart ambitious girl with her feet planted
firmly on the ground and married her. She was so ambitious that she
divorced
me and took everything I owned.

I am now 40 and I am looking for a girl with big tits.

Naw! I'm just shitting youse vatos!
dq

Anonymous said...

don quixote said...

I am now 40 and I am looking for a girl with big tits.

Naw! I'm just shitting youse vatos!

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Don Q.,

This is probably your best post, from now on you should just post jokes and quit posting your typical pendejadas.

Anonymous said...

Did I say an ex-felon should be placed in a position like this? ...As I remember, I said a "social worker or a probation officer....."
I forgot to initial my comment with my little :) have a nice day face!....like i said before, the mayor and Ms rice o ronnie sucks big time~!
:)

Anonymous said...

Now that i've seen and vented all my negative thoughts on the whole Czar joke....i have came to the finally conclusion that's its probably better to do what LE was doing since the 80s & 90s-put PAC-MAN- Chubby Hubby part time burrito eating expert Tony Moreno into that position of the Great Czar of LA RUSSIA (ass licking and knee pad city) and just do what white america and good law - abiding citizens really want....to lock them all up and sent them all to a nice 6 by 9 shit hole. Its time to move from LA and head out to Fontucky or Chino Hills....

Remember Don-Mosquito-pendejito green light on chinos is not a green light on the Chino Hills 13 - your so stupid that Chino Hills 13 doesnt even exist, pinche vejito cagado sin patas......
like I said on my above comment, again,
Another Rice sorry story.
:)

paris' next lover said...

More bad press for Rocky D. he should have never talked about Paris Hilton, Paris will be home in a couple of days, and probably be paid a cool million for her first after-jail interview.

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L.A. city attorney's wife's firm had tax lapse
The state barred operation of her business after it failed to file tax returns. It also lacked a city license.
By Matt Lait, Times Staff Writer
June 23, 2007


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- City Attorney under fire: Full coverage
A consulting business run by the wife of Los Angeles City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo has failed to file state tax returns for several years and until Friday operated without a city business license — a type of offense her husband's office is responsible for prosecuting.

In 2005, the state Franchise Tax Board barred Michelle Delgadillo's business, C.R.D. Inc., from operating in California because it had neglected to file tax returns every year since it was founded in 2002, records show.

According to economic disclosure forms that Delgadillo is required to file so the public can be aware of his most significant sources of income, his wife's consulting work generated between $10,000 and $100,000 a year from 2002 to 2005. Under city rules, the city attorney is required to report only a range of income earned by the business.

Michelle Delgadillo, listed as president of the corporation, has declined through her husband's office to comment. It was unclear exactly what work her business did or who its clients were, but records show it operated out of the couple's Hancock Park-area home. A onetime aide to former City Councilman Joel Wachs, Michelle Delgadillo has identified herself as a consultant and homemaker in city documents.

According to a Delgadillo spokesman, Michelle Delgadillo paid taxes on the income she earned over the years. However, she reported that income on her personal tax returns, not her business' forms.

Delgadillo's office refused to answer a list of questions submitted by The Times about the business. Instead, officials released a short statement late Friday saying that C.R.D. Inc. never did work on any city attorney contract.

"If there are any issues with C.R.D., Michelle takes full responsibility and intends to resolve them," the statement read.

Until Friday, Michelle Delgadillo's company operated without what is known as a tax registration certificate. Business owners who fail to register with the city are subject to criminal or civil prosecution by the city attorney's office. Those cases are referred by city finance officials. In the case of C.R.D., no such referral was made — and if one had been, a Delgadillo spokesman said, the city attorney would have recused himself from handling it.

After The Times inquired about C.R.D. Inc. on Friday, the business applied for — and received — a tax registration certificate retroactive to June 10, 2002, the date the business was incorporated. A city finance official said city policy prohibited her from disclosing the amount of penalties and fees that were paid.

The issues regarding Michelle Delgadillo's business come in the wake of other disclosures this week in which she seemed to have disregarded a number of other everyday rules or laws. She has acknowledged driving on a suspended license and without automobile insurance for at least a couple of years.

She went to traffic court to resolve a 9-year-old ticket citation that resulted in a bench warrant's being issued for her arrest. And other records showed that she had been delinquent in paying at least five parking tickets in the last several years.

In statements released this week, Michelle Delgadillo said she was "embarrassed" by her actions and was sorry.

Rocky Delgadillo, who is rarely shy about media attention, sought a lower profile in recent days after he had to acknowledge that he had let his wife use his city-owned GMC Yukon for personal reasons. On one outing in 2004, his wife damaged the rear of the SUV, which Delgadillo had repaired at taxpayer expense. After the matter became public this week, he agreed to reimburse the city for the $1,222 repair job. He also said that — unbeknownst to him — he had driven without auto insurance for about a year.

Just days after those admissions, Delgadillo acknowledged in response to inquiries from The Times that he had periodically enlisted his office staff to run personal errands and baby-sit his two sons. The tasks were performed on the employees' personal time, he said. But several sources told The Times that the work occurred during normal business hours.

Robert Stern, the president of the Center for Governmental Studies in Los Angeles, said the "cumulative effect of all these problems really hurts" the city attorney's reputation and political future because he and his family are expected to be "cleaner than clean."

"There seems to be a feeling that they don't have to follow the rules," Stern said. "But the public expects them to set the example."

Anonymous said...

De Niro And Scorsese Team Up Again,
De Niro has long had lined up The Winter of Frankie Machine, based on the book about a retired hit man, and Scorsese is set to direct it for Paramount. The pic's name has been shortened to just Frankie Machine. Crime writer Don Winslow wrote the book after growing up with the children of his neighborhood Mafia bosses, so he understood the criminal mind behind the hit man who's hounded out of a respectable retirement as the target of a hit himself. Despite his own history of brutality, the protagonist is actually quite likable -- which explains why the manuscript was snapped up by De Niro even before it was published. For the record, their 8 pics together are: Mean Streets, Taxi Driver, New York New York, Raging Bull, The King Of Comedy, Goodfellas, Cape Fear, and Casino. Scorsese will get started right after his Rolling Stones project. Another mob movie.

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Anonymous said...

don quixote said...

I am now 40 and I am looking for a girl with big tits.

Naw! I'm just shitting youse vatos!

It's like the THIRD time he's posted that joke...hardyhar

Anonymous said...

I have a question off topic. Do the Mongols MC members ride with the Sur13 when they hit the joint? If so how does that work out, what with the Mongols having brother in chapters from northern califas as well. Do they have to ride on their own? How all that work? Can you imangine if the sur and the norte were to call each other brothers. The system would implode wouldnt it? The mayates and the whites would flip?

wallista tribune said...

O.C.'s mix of cultures yields cooperation, tensions
Growing Vietnamese and Latino communities increasingly share churches and schools. Some foresee conflict, some peaceful coexistence.
By David Kelly
June 24, 2007
Parishioners quietly stream into Our Lady of La Vang in Santa Ana, smile politely and head their separate ways.

Latinos take the chairs on the right, Vietnamese go left.

Father Joseph Nguyen quietly watches from the altar before moving to the pulpit, where he preaches five minutes in Spanish, then Vietnamese, then Spanish, alternating until the service ends. Prayers, songs and responses are done in both languages.

The scene at the Roman Catholic church is repeated each morning, five days a week.

Everyone is cordial, everyone takes turns. Yet the two communities sit apart, often attend separate Sunday school classes and socialize primarily with their own group. Certain religious customs, such as the intense Latino veneration of Our Lady of Guadalupe, are not shared by the others. By the same measure, many Latinos are ambivalent about the reverence for Our Lady of La Vang, a vision of the Virgin Mary cherished by Vietnamese.

Ascension Landeras, 44, accepts the differences with a shrug.

"They are in their world, we are in our world, but there are no problems," she said.

The church offers a glimpse into what is occurring throughout central Orange County as growing Vietnamese and Latino communities find themselves living in ever closer quarters, sharing neighborhoods, schools and churches. While some foresee conflict, others see the new face of Orange County.

Father Nguyen knew when Our Lady of La Vang absorbed the smaller, overwhelmingly Latino Our Lady of Lourdes in 2000 that he would have a cultural chasm to bridge.

"The first thing I learned was my own limitations. Sometimes I have to let people's cultures take over," he said. Nguyen takes heart in the fact that the two communities worship together despite their differences.

The long-established Latinos still dominate the region, especially in cities such as Santa Ana, but Vietnamese numbers have steadily risen in Garden Grove, Fountain Valley, Westminster and Anaheim.

In Garden Grove, for example, Asians, mostly of Vietnamese descent, now represent 33.7% of the population while Latinos make up 40.2%, according to 2005 U.S. census figures.

Latinos were 30.8% of Orange County's population in 2000, and Asians were 13.6%. In 2005, Latinos increased to 32.7%, while Asians rose to 16.1%. Some 157,012 of them were Vietnamese. The next-highest Asian group was Koreans, at 74,999.

As their population grows, Vietnamese have gained confidence and political clout. A Vietnamese American serves on Orange County's Board of Supervisors, and others chair school boards and serve on city councils. One, Van Tran (R-Garden Grove) serves in the Assembly.

In high schools, where they used to be content to keep quiet and study, they now play on the football team, play in the school band and run for class president.

That wasn't so when Lan Nguyen attended school in the 1980s.

"The Vietnamese formed their own clubs and did their own activities," said Nguyen, now president of the Garden Grove school board. "They were not as assimilated as they are now. I'm impressed and proud when I see what has happened. I think what you are seeing now is the future of Orange County."

But it's an uncertain future, one laden with potential conflict.

That was apparent during the last congressional election, when Republican candidate Tan Nguyen's campaign mailed letters to Latino homes in central Orange County warning — falsely — that immigrants could go to jail if they voted.

The resulting uproar caused a rift between Vietnamese Americans, who tend to be more conservative on illegal immigration, and Latinos, who generally view it more tolerantly. Nguyen, who denied involvement in sending the letters, lost to incumbent Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-Garden Grove). Last month, the state attorney general cleared Nguyen of any wrongdoing in the case.

"We Vietnamese and Latinos don't have the same interests," said Do Dzung, a reporter and editor at Nguoi Viet, the largest Vietnamese newspaper in Orange County. "The Vietnamese are against illegal immigration. They believe they came over here legally and so should everyone else."

Many Vietnamese came here as refugees and remain fiercely proud that they fought alongside American soldiers in the Vietnam War. A statue depicting two soldiers — an American and a South Vietnamese — has become a centerpiece of the civic center in Westminster. Most of the older generation remains staunchly anti-communist and tends to vote Republican.

Dzung says the two groups have vastly different outlooks on life. Many Vietnamese, he said, don't believe Latinos respect education and hard work.

"They would never say that out loud," he said. "But I honestly can't see any issue that Vietnamese and Latinos share. I see conflict in the future."



After the Tan Nguyen debacle, Assemblyman Tran cosponsored legislation with Democratic Assemblyman Jose Solorio of Anaheim targeting those trying to intimidate voters. He said he preferred to look for similarities, not differences between the groups.

"Hispanic families are very conservative on issues of family values. We share the same religion — Catholicism in many cases. Issues such as education are very important to both communities," Tran said. "The trials and difficulties of assimilating and language-gap issues are the same."

He opposes illegal immigration but does so in a way that he says avoids "emotionalism and divisiveness."

"You can articulate your view without offending people," he said.

Tran, a former Garden Grove councilman, was one of the first Vietnamese Americans elected to a state legislature and has become a powerful political figure in the immigrant community.

"The county is becoming more Hispanic and more Asian, and I am conscious of the growing pains it is going through," he said. "It's no big mystery how I get people to support me. I address issues that all communities care about."

At Bolsa Grande High School in Garden Grove, where 52% of students are of Vietnamese descent and 37% are Latino, administrators watch for any signs of trouble.

"When I see the mixing of cultures, it's very reassuring," said John Flaws, the Garden Grove police officer assigned to Bolsa. "The kids here tend to group according to common interest, not race. In Garden Grove in general, we haven't had a problem between the two groups. The tolerance level here is unbelievable."

Bolsa was one of the first to be affected by the waves of Vietnamese refugees arriving in Orange County in the early 1980s. Back then, tensions were higher and it was considered a rough school, said Principal Denise Jay.

"When you start dealing with these issues, it's very tough in the beginning," she said. "But we did it before anyone else. Now I think one of the traits of this school is mutual respect."

Members of the two communities attend class together, play sports together and sometimes date one another. Pictures of the racially mixed teams of athletes and musicians adorn the walls. In some cases, one group seems to dominate. There are more Vietnamese Americans in the orchestra, while Latinos are more represented in football and cheerleading.


"There are no barriers between the two cultures," said student Alex Lee, 17. "If there is a fight between people, it's just because they don't like each other, not because of their race."

Ivan Hernandez, 17, said there is little racial tension but often not much interaction either.

"People tend to stay with their own culture," he said. "I really don't know many Vietnamese because I don't hang out with them."

The district organizes regular meetings with Latino and Vietnamese parents, who are often new immigrants, to help them understand the education system.

Vietnamese parents dwell on grades and academic performance, said Terry Rocco, a teacher who helps run the parent outreach program. Latino parents care about academics as well, she said, but that's often not the perception.

"They get tired of hearing that they don't care about education like the Vietnamese," Rocco said. "I went to a Latino youth conference last May. At the end they asked what are the myths about you, and they said, 'That we don't value education, that Asian kids are smarter, that we are all gang-bangers.' "

Back at Our Lady of La Vang, parents and children waited in the courtyard for Sunday school classes to begin. Because of language barriers, the kids often attend classes taught in their own tongue. The Latino children dressed neatly but casually. Some of the Vietnamese wore crisp blue uniforms.

Off to one side was Guadalupe Lopez, 66, of Santa Ana. She has watched her neighborhood go from mostly white to mostly Latino and now increasingly Vietnamese.

"I don't think we interact much," she said. "In my neighborhood we have more Vietnamese neighbors. They are good neighbors, but they keep to themselves. They are not as open."

Daisy Mota, 17, said she's tried to connect. "But we are so different that sometimes it's awkward," she said. "Still, I think we have a lot in common. I believe what is happening here will happen in other places."

Father Nguyen knows he can't force people together. "The goal is to see how people work together, not mix together," he said. "So far that approach has yielded fruit." He could be right.

Maria Lopez, 48, is learning Vietnamese.

"Very few Hispanics speak Vietnamese," she said. "The Vietnamese are a very spiritual people with a lot of martyrs. We too have suffered. Father Nguyen said this church is like heaven, and in heaven all the cultures are very much together."

the general said...

POINT OF NO RETURN: Iran said to enrich 100 kg uranium before new talks...
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL2284128020070622?feedType=RSS&rpc=22&sp=true
In a nut shell gentlemen,
...Iran has about 2,000 centrifuges installed as of early June, most of them enriching uranium and others undergoing test "dry runs" without uranium in them, but is likely to reach the 3,000 threshold by the end of July, diplomats have said.
Three thousand could produce material for one bomb within a year if run non-stop at supersonic speed.
The fisrt one could theoritically be delivered to the Brunswick Lucky Strike lanes at Ports O' Call Village, San Pedro by Labor Day 2008, making a hell of a mess down there Wally. First the commies and now these Persians but no matter, this 4th of July I will be out on my front yard and standing tall waving my penis.
...First to fight for the right, and to build the Nation's might,
And the Army Goes Rolling Along
Proud of all we have done,
Fighting till the battle's won,
And the Army Goes Rolling Along...

Santiago said...

Our beloved popo apologist a.k.a. Jethro and other working names -- hi.

Jethro is our lovable but dumb as a rock blogger on In The Hat. Jethro's shit-eating grin, redneck ways, silly schemes to constantly reinvent himself (as a hippie, millionare playboy, movie star, brain surgeon and "double-naught spy") and 6th grade education endears his character to Wally's minions, helping to make In The Hat the best blog in history. He easily towers over people and is as dumb as he is strong, eating like a pig and chasing every attractive Transvestite in sight. In June of 2006, Jethro finally earned his grade school diploma, although he never quite got the hang of ciphering......well-- hell.

don quixote said...

What strange events and times we live in when Orange County Right Wingers, Minutemen, KKK, Black COmmunity residents and Activist's, including Spokesman for the Homeless "Ted Hayes, all hookup together under the common banner of "no more Mexicans", and get rid of the ones already here.



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"Confrontation kept under control
Police keep things calm as two groups of marchers on opposite sides of the immigration debate parry in South Los Angeles.
By Deborah Schoch and Jonathan Abrams, Times Staff Writers
June 24, 2007



'LAPD did a tremendous job.... It could have been very volatile.'
— Najee Ali, activist

A group of 100 marchers waving American flags headed south on Crenshaw Boulevard on Saturday to protest illegal immigration and what they called its damaging effects on the black community.

But they never reached the park that was their destination, and the rally turned into two tense hours of confrontation under a hot sun with counter-protesters on the opposite side of the street. Insults and epithets flew across the asphalt as hundreds of Los Angeles Police Department officers kept guard. Although some people expressed concern about another May 1 melee, in the end, police earned praise for their restraint and efforts to calm the crowd.

Police defused the standoff, both sides dispersed and five people, including organizer Ted Hayes, a longtime activist for the homeless, were arrested peacefully.

The marchers, made up of black activists and Minutemen, homeless people and neighborhood residents, held a city permit for an afternoon rally at the historic Leimert Park in the Crenshaw district.

Nearly 500 counter-protesters, mostly black and Latino, some with Mexican flags and others with antiwar placards, swept down the other side of Crenshaw Boulevard. They converged on the park first and blocked the original marchers from entering. Some said they had heard those marchers would include KKK members, and the counter-protesters denounced what they called racist outsiders trying to incite violence.

As the two chanting groups faced off, police kept watch, some on bicycles and some in riot gear, batons held in position. Police negotiators shuttled between the two groups as some protesters heckled them.

The two groups called out contrasting slogans and songs. One marcher bellowed "Lift Ev'ry Voice and Sing," also known as the Black National Anthem, through a bullhorn. Other marchers followed with "The Battle Hymn of the Republic." On the other side of the street, some chanted: "The whole world is watching. We remember McArthur Park," referring to the May 1 melee between police and immigrant-rights marchers.

At times, the gathering felt like a street festival, with mothers with babies in strollers and musicians playing drums. Other times, tensions mounted in the heat as some protesters in the park called the police "pigs."

Officers finally donned helmets and stood in lines, quietly facing protesters on both sides of the street. The groups finally dispersed peacefully, and some leaders on both sides praised the LAPD for effectively avoiding a violent situation.

"LAPD did a tremendous job in how they handled the protest," said activist Najee Ali. "It could have been very volatile."

Some members of the original march, however, criticized counter-protesters for denying them entry to Leimert Park.

The march to the park was led by Hayes, who has organized an African American group opposed to illegal immigration. He was joined Saturday by members of the Minutemen Brigade as well as some black marchers who said that illegal immigrants from Mexico and Central America are taking their jobs and flooding schools and hospitals.

During negotiations, police commanders prevented march organizers from entering the park, saying they were forced to take that step for public safety reasons. The crowd inside the park included many children and families, they explained.

"I realize you have a permit," incident commander Deputy Chief Charlie Beck told black activists and Minutemen jammed on a sidewalk outside stores across the street from the park.

"I have to deny you access to the park. I do this for public safety," said Beck, speaking through a megaphone.

Many of the marchers protested loudly, characterizing the counter-protesters as Spanish-speaking "illegal aliens" who already were taking their jobs and now were denying their right to enter the park.

"What country is this!" a woman yelled at Beck.

"Don't forget to do it again in Spanish," another called out mockingly.

At one point, a group of women — most of them white and grasping rolled-up American flags — sat on the pavement across from the park, chanting, "We want our park."

Several said they were members of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, based in Huntington Beach, and had come to South Los Angeles to stand up for the black community and against illegal immigrants, who they said are taking jobs from African American residents.

They pointed across the street at the waving Mexican flags.

"That is the border," a man said.

After spirited and sometimes angry talks with Beck and other police, Hayes told his followers that he planned to be arrested and that others could choose to join him, one by one. The energy ebbed among marchers, some of whom had pushed to march past police lines into the park. One of Hayes' supporters, holding an American flag, waited politely to be handcuffed. Even some of the most outspoken Minutemen members said they would abide by Hayes' decision.

Across the street in the park, many of the counter-protesters faulted the marchers, saying they were invading the Leimert Park community and trying to incite tensions between blacks and Latinos.

"They are coming in here, not knowing our community," said activist Bilal Ali. "There are no black and brown problems in this community. These people are too intelligent to fall for that. We see this as a scam."

Counter-protesters carried signs that said, "In our ghettos, black and brown = one love," and "Together under one community."

Said Pedro Reyes, a South L.A. resident, "We are all suffering the same injustices. So there is no need to try and divide us."

Supporters of full legalization for illegal immigrants plan a march at noon today in Hollywood.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess the old adage "a common enemy makes strange bedfellows" would apply in this case.
I wonder what would happen if all the black residents of the Crenshaw district decided to move to Orange County with they're anti immigrant cohorts? I wonder if Ted Hayes moved his homeless skid row people down to Tustin or Huntington Beach, would the white Republicans there welcome them?

It wasn't that long ago when Black people were accused of the same "crime" the Mexicans are now being blamed for, "Changing the face of the neighborhood"
ANd Ted Hayes a homless advocate claiming the immigrants are taking jobs from the African AMericans! I won't even go there cause everybody knows about all the jobs the African Americans have lost to the Mexicans, lol

ANd I guess the LAPD has indeed undergone some changes in attitude and training techniques. Now they are hero's to everyone including Najii Ali, former critic.

Gee I guess all the rhetoric from the COp apologist's who claimed it would take years to change the LAPD culture might be mistaken, Huh?
You think the LAPD officers at the park might of been thinking "my careers on the line here and no matter what comes my way I'm staying cool and not reacting like our previous history".
I hope so.

Funny too, when after all was said and done,the little kids (of all race's) just having a good time in the park, with the familia's, just kicking it on a weekend, and have to be exposed to all the mitote and odio from the adults with an agenda.
dq

jethro said...

Santiago said...
Our beloved popo apologist a.k.a. Jethro and other working names -- hi.

Jethro is our lovable but dumb as a rock blogger on In The Hat. Jethro's shit-eating grin, redneck ways, silly schemes to constantly reinvent himself (as a hippie, millionare playboy, movie star, brain surgeon and "double-naught spy") and 6th grade education endears his character to Wally's minions, helping to make In The Hat the best blog in history. He easily towers over people and is as dumb as he is strong, eating like a pig and chasing every attractive Transvestite in sight. In June of 2006, Jethro finally earned his grade school diploma, although he never quite got the hang of ciphering......well-- hell.

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Howdy mr santiago,

can you help me make sum new names, i is not as esmart as you. I kno you have many many names like don q, wallista, santiago, mustang silly, big betty, jim.

I only use mi real name jethro but i want to be like you don quakers and post many more estupid stories.

how many years have you been thinking any post against you is written by me?

i am not a cop lover, they police keep taking my moonshine still and don't let me drive drunk.

do you think i live in a log cabin of trailer park?

do you live in the ghetto with other mexican gangsters or did you move far away?

Anonymous said...

For those who think the Terminator is a lousy governor, he is not as bad as Mario Villanueva

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Ex-governor of Mexican state is held
Mario Villanueva is accused of helping smuggle Colombian cocaine while in office. He may be extradited to the U.S.
By Sam Enriquez, Times Staff Writer
June 22, 2007


MEXICO CITY — A former Mexican governor accused by U.S. federal prosecutors of helping smuggle 200 tons of Colombian cocaine while in office was arrested here early Thursday for possible extradition to the United States.

If the extradition is successful, Mario Villanueva would be the highest-ranking former Mexican official to stand trial in a U.S. court.

He's accused in a 2001 federal indictment of conspiring with drug gang leaders to transport tons of cocaine bound for sale north of the border.

The former governor, who has already served six years in a Mexican prison on money laundering charges, could face a life sentence if convicted of drug trafficking offenses in the United States.

Villanueva, 58, earned $500,000 for each cocaine shipment moved by the so-called Juarez cartel during the mid-1990s, according to the indictment filed in U.S. District Court in New York.

After his 1993 election, Villanueva's Caribbean state of Quintana Roo blossomed as a key cocaine transshipment point, and he reportedly took in as much as $30 million in bribes for providing broad protection to smugglers.

Villanueva allegedly used state police to help unload, store and transport shipments, and allowed smugglers access to airports, government warehouses and his state-owned airplane from 1994 to 1998. Some shipments allegedly traveled north in tanker trucks bearing the logo of Mexico's state-run oil company, Pemex.

Villanueva has denied any involvement in drug trafficking. "I think this was a political thing," his wife, Isabel Tenorio, told the Reforma newspaper.

Villanueva disappeared in 1999 while governor of Quintana Roo, home to Cancun and other Yucatan peninsula beach resorts. He enjoyed immunity from prosecution while in office and then dropped from sight a week before his term ended as he learned of his pending arrest by Mexican authorities.

A former Lehman Bros. investment manager in New York pleaded guilty in 2005 to helping Villanueva launder $11 million in drug payoffs through shell companies during a five-year period. She also acknowledged helping him cash out investment accounts when he went on the lam.

Villanueva was arrested May 24, 2001, after being tracked by U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration investigators and Mexican federal police. He was being chauffeured around Cancun by a former state police officer and was carrying about $15,000 in cash when apprehended.

The next day, U.S. authorities unsealed the indictments against him. The investigation reportedly began in 1997, after he was linked to cocaine seizures in the Bronx and Middletown, N.Y.

Villanueva spent six years in a maximum-security prison west of Mexico City after his arrest, awaiting a verdict on trafficking and money laundering charges. A judge found him guilty Tuesday of money laundering, and he was ordered released Wednesday for time served.

For a few hours, Villanueva looked like he would be a free man. His wife said Wednesday that the couple planned to "recover the time we lost."

But the Mexican federal attorney general's office issued an arrest warrant pending a decision on the U.S. extradition request, and Villanueva was taken into custody immediately after leaving prison Thursday about 3 a.m.

"They're kidnapping me!" he shouted to TV reporters as he was hauled away.

Villanueva, whose nickname since childhood was El Chueco, or "the crooked one," for his lopsided smile, acknowledged corruption in his administration during a 2000 interview while a fugitive.

"You'd have to be really stupid not to make money in Quintana Roo with the posts I had," he told Milenio magazine.

jesus de el rancho - cholo vista de los angeles said...

This Mexican politician says preventing gangs starts at home. I still thinks it's the gavachos fault.
http://www.whittierdailynews.com/opinions/ci_6214424




USUALLY, when a son or daughter gets arrested for gang-related activity, the parent doesn't need a course in how to recognize a gang member to know the kid is in a gang.

Still, the idea of hitting the parent upside the head with a court-mandated lesson in gang behaviors is good for accountability. More importantly, it might help the parent stop his or her kid from sliding down that slippery slope.

That's why we are supporting a parental education measure by Artesia Democrat Tony Mendoza, whose district also includes Norwalk, parts of incorporated and unincorporated Whittier and Santa Fe Springs. Mendoza, who grew up in South Los Angeles, said his aunt was in denial about her son (Mendoza's cousin) who was killed in a drive-by shooting.

Mendoza admits that parents who are addicted to drugs or involved in gang activity may be unable to stop their own children from joining a gang. But the freshman legislator and former school teacher from East Los Angeles said some parents of gang members are not clueless about the problem - just about a solution.

"There are many parents who want to keep their kids away from gangs but don't know where to turn for help," he said. So, he'd force them to take "Introduction to Gangs 101."

The bill, which has already sailed through the Assembly and is in the Senate, would in some cases require parents of gang members to take the class, just like those who violate traffic laws go to traffic school or those in drug court are remanded to counseling programs.

Of course, this is for the parents and would be triggered by a judge upon the minor's first offense. Makes sense that Mendoza wants to help first offenders, since they have the best chance of turning their lives around.

Mendoza's parent-ed class - and this is a good feature - would include lectures given by parents of gang members who are incarcerated or deceased. Call it a kind of "Scared Straight" for parents.

The class also would teach parents or guardians how to identify gang activity, how to communicate with adolescents, where to find educational support and/or job training and recreational outlets for the child, and offers a primer on the penal system. The parent would find out what fines and penalties await their child upon the next conviction and includes a chapter on "aiding and abetting" a criminal.

The not-so-subtle threat could be a wake-up call to parents who are too busy working or too uninformed to recognize or act when the signs point to gangs.

We could lament the fact that parents ought to know how to raise their own children, that love and discipline go hand-in-hand in teaching them to respect the law. But that would be obvious and short-sighted. We already know that many parents are losing control of their adolescents to drugs and gangs. Just reading the police logs in many area cities drives home those sad facts.

So instead of bemoaning the decline of the societal structure, we are going to support Mendoza's bill as a positive step in battling the scourge of gangs. But we do so with wide-open eyes.

Like Deputy District Attorney Gary Hearnsberger, who heads the DA's Hard Core Gang Division, we, too, don't see a panacea. "Is it the answer? No. Will it help? Probably in some cases," he said.

There must be a balanced array of solutions, starting with parental responsibility, to education, to suppression. Mendoza's AB 1291 is part of the answer.

mr. escargot said...

Brothers, this is latest writeup in Sofias principle paper. We are getting ready to move quickly into France, Portugal, Denmark and Belgium. This has long been in the works as you Americanos say, it is swim or sink for us as Russian mafia start elbowing in more like greedy bastards. Carnales take care. No time to waste here.

From paper...
Bulgarian mafia turf wars to hit EU hard.
Markov, who owned computer software and building companies, was believed to have links with cocaine smugglers. His unsolved murder this month was a sign of the mafia’s grip on the upper echelons of Bulgarian business and society.
In the past five years 250 people have been killed by assailants ranging from snipers to machinegun-wielding thugs who appear to be above the law.

Last week a senior European police officer acknowledged his fears that Bulgaria’s entry to the European Union, due in July, 2007, would prompt contract killers to spread across Europe.

Klaus Jansen, a German investigator, was sent by Brussels to assess the state of Bulgaria’s battle against crime. He said he believed it was inevitable that Bulgarian contract killings would move to other European capitals as turf wars spread between mafia gangs.

“Once Bulgarians set up communities abroad the mafia will come with them, and their mafia is really brutal,” he said.

According to Jansen, Bulgaria has set a grim standard in Europe for the number and professionalism of its contract killings. The murders, for which hitmen receive up to £20,000, are not limited to members of the criminal underworld and none has resulted in a conviction. Recent victims have included Bulgaria’s top banker, the owner of a first division football team and a leading customs official.

Vasil Ivanov, an investigative journalist, had a lucky escape. In April a bomb ripped through his apartment, blowing apart brick walls and smashing windows throughout his 12storey block of flats.

Ivanov, who has uncovered cases of crime and abuse of power among police, lawyers and state officials, had been threatened before but said he was shocked by the indiscriminate violence of the attack.

“I expected something like this to happen. I thought I might be shot at, or beaten up, but I didn’t expect them to try to kill so many people,” he said.

Bulgarian criminologists and human rights experts say the mafia is developing new power bases, stretching its tentacles into the most powerful sectors of society. “A number of families are starting to control this country. And a new type of organised crime linked to the political and economic elite is gradually being formed,” said Tihomir Bezlov, a political analyst at the Sofia Centre for the Study of Democracy.

It is this link that is believed to lie behind the lack of criminal convictions. Last week a report by the European commission warned Sofia that it must show “clear evidence” of its fight against underworld crime.

“Indictments, prosecutions, trials, convictions and deterrent sentences remain rare in the fight against high-level corruption,” the report said.

Jansen’s assessment, also released last week, dismissed crime busting efforts as “a total mess” and said European police information passed to Sofia could end up with criminals.

Boris Velchev, Bulgaria’s chief prosecutor, admitted that the country has a problem but pointed out that six senior officials had been convicted of corruption and three legislators indicted, including a former mayor of Sofia.

jeff carr said...

For the past 15-years gangs such as Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) and 18th Street have been a growing plague in many Central American countries. As these gangs and their crime grow, many of these countries have decided 'enough is enough' and passed the most aggressive anti-gang laws in modern day history.

For example, in 2003 the Honduras government enacted a law making it illegal to be a gang member. If an individual was found with any gang-related tattoos (whether old or new) they were arrested with a possible 12-year prison term. Many other Central American countries have followed suit with similar laws. The gang problem has gotten so frusterating for Central American, that some people have even reported that off-duty police officers have been executing gang members to further rid their country of these career criminals.

To escape police pressure many gang affiliated individuals are illegally crossing our nation’s border and leaving their country behind. In an 8-month period during 2004, of the many thousand immigrants captured along the Mexican border by Border Patrol, 30,000 of those captured had prior criminal records including many that had outstanding warrants for murder.

Recently the U. S. National Drug Intelligence Center estimated there are 10,000 Mara Salvatrucha gang members operating in our nation. Law enforcement officials estimate 9 out of 10 Mara Salvatrucha gang members are here illegally. That's a scary thought considering that several government sources have indicated a connection between some Mara Salvatrucha gang members and al Qaeda terrorist.



According to the 2005 National Gang Threat Assessment, MS-13 is active in 31% of the cities that responded to the gang survey which includes nearly every major city in our nation.

We know why these gangs are leaving their countries.

We also know that they are already here among us and our children.

So are they here to find a better way of life or to continue their criminal lifestyle?

“Their violence, sophistication and scope have reached intolerable levels," says Julie Myers, assistant secretary of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Law enforcement officials have reported MS-13 members have increasingly been involved in shooting at border officers, murders, extortion, drug trafficking and numerous stabbing attacks--where they have attacked rival gangs with machetes.

So how are many of our city’s mayors, law enforcement administrations and elected officials responding to this situation?

They continue to support sanctuary policies, the policy prohibiting police officers from notifying federal immigration officials about illegal immigrants who are living in our nation illegally and engaged in crime.

Like when Washington D. C. Police Chief Charles Ramsay reminded the public that he would not backslide on a 1984 order prohibiting D. C. government employees from getting involved in dealing with criminals’ immigration status. It makes one ponder why Washington D. C. is known as one of the most dangerous places in America.


When an MS-13 gangster illegally immigrates to our country, once they make their way into a city that has a sanctuary policy (such as Denver, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Washington D. C., New York, and many more), they can live there with little fear of ever being deported back to their country.

If they are stopped by police officers and arrested for a crime, as a United States citizen you would assume that the gang member would be deported—but you’re wrong.

You would think that many of these cities have learned their lesson and abandon these sanctuary policies. Let’s remember what happened in Denver not too long ago. A 19-year-old illegal immigrant was stopped and arrested 3-times for minor law violations. Even though officers knew he was here illegally the officers were prohibited by their department’s policy from taking any further action. This same 19-year-old illegal immigrant later murdered a Denver police officer in an unexpected attack. Ironically this 19-year-old illegal immigrant was an employee (in violation of federal law) at a restaurant owned by the city's Mayor.

As the noose around gangs tightens in many Central American countries, gang members will continue to resettle in countries and cities that allow them the greatest flexibility to continue their criminal lifestyles.

Cities that offer sanctuary to illegal immigrants and knowingly and openly violate federal immigration laws are creating asylum for violent gangs. It is these sanctuary cities who essentially handcuff their own law enforcement officers from effectively fighting crime and gangs.

It’s time for a change…

That's our opinion, what's yours?

jim said...

Below is Mayor Villaraigosa with his honey, as you can see she is younger and much hotter than his wife. Just shows Mayor V is like most men who would trade for a newer model if they could.

Just like Chris Rock said, the old fat guys are the ones who don't cheat.


http://bp2.blogger.com/_thvAHgTGsJA/Rn9A6u9PupI/AAAAAAAAAxc/ct5CF6lzL7A/s1600/tonyv.jpg

Anonymous said...

I got a kick watching the so called massive black protest. In reality it was really the racist MinuteMen, a handful of brainwashed Black Oreos, and of course, your all time favorite people, the Orange County- Huntington/Newport Beach tag team white undercover great American KKK community connection.
All the great great grandchildren of Los Angeles' 1950s & 60s "great white flight" that left to relocate in the OC and now are returning to voice their multi-generational racism teachings to Los Angeles. The Great New Improve OC - that traded oranges for Racist whites! The biggest kick out of the OC is that the history of founders - were German immigrants that enjoyed years of farming success exploiting the illegal Mexicano.... unfreaking believable. The MinuteMen and the OC White racist Citizen patrol used the black protest as a coverup.
If mexicans-American and chicanos would have found out that OC whites were going to be among the black protesters.....man, the Maywood anti-immigration protest with its vandalism attacks would have been seen as little kids play. Those white OC folks would have to resort to use some serious firepower to survive an exodus from LA. I wonder what action LAPD will take when they have to detain and arrest police officers from various agencies - especially racist cops from Maywood PD, OC sheriff, Riverside sheriff, and countless other off-duty assholes supporting racist oranizations.
First of all, the protest was a flop and completely controdicts, YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE, the theory that blacks will join whites against Mexican illegals. Shit, that's like the Jews joining the Nazis against the European Gypsies.

Going back to the Rocky DUMMY story. Why is Rocky Dummy so stupid to critize DA Cooley? Didn't anybody tell this vato that you just dont throw mud at a homie that has some serious 411 on everyone's business in LA County....que idiota.
I just wish Cooley would throw some mud to some people that really deserve it, like buffalo butt-pitbull face Molina.
:)

don quixote said...

I hear Cheech Marin is going to sue for plagarism of his movie "Born in East LA".

The LA Sheriffs Dept. and US "ICE" Homeland Security clowns claim no responsibility or wrong doing, oh yeah!
I wonder what the Minutemen and they're ilk would say if this poor cat was spotted out in the hills of San Diego trying to cross back into his own country?

"Get Thee Back Subhuman Mexican!
a veces el mundo esta bien feo mano's

From the El Paso TImes,

Jun 18, 1:47 AM EDT


Mom Says Disabled Son Illegally Deported

By LUIS PEREZ
Associated Press Writer



TIJUANA, Mexico (AP) -- Clutching a photo of her son, Maria Carvajal walks Tijuana's sweltering streets searching for the mentally disabled man she says was deported more than a month ago despite being a U.S. citizen and then disappeared in this chaotic border city.

Carvajal says she has searched hospitals, shelters and jails here looking for her 29-year-old son, Pedro Guzman of Lancaster, California, who was jailed for a misdemeanor trespassing violation, then sent to Mexico on May 11.

Guzman's relatives sued the Department of Homeland Security and the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department last week in federal court, claiming Guzman was a U.S. citizen and had been wrongfully deported and demanding that U.S. authorities help find him.

"I'm searching for him because he's my son. But it should be (U.S. authorities) searching for him," Carvajal, a 49-year-old fast-food restaurant worker from Lancaster, said Sunday in Tijuana. "They made the mistake. Not me."

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement confirmed Guzman had been deported and said the agency had done so correctly. "ICE has no reason to believe that it improperly removed Pedro Guzman," read a statement.

Officials at the U.S. consulate in Tijuana say they have made calls to help search for Guzman and asked other consulates in Mexico if they have information.

"We are doing things to help that we are not obliged to do," said consulate spokeswoman Lorena Blanco.

Carvajal, a brown-haired woman with glasses who carries a piece of paper bearing a photo of her son, said he called the family on May 11 to say he was deported but the phone cut off before she could find out where he was.

She said she never thought she would end up having to search Tijuana's hospital and morgues for her son, but vowed to keep on doing it because "I have to." She is not carrying her son's birth certificate with her, saying her main concern is finding him.

Guzman can't read or write and has trouble processing information. Carvajal fears he could be an easy victim for robbers.

The lawsuit says Guzman was asked about his immigration status in jail and responded that he was born in California of Mexican parents.

Sometime after that, the Sheriff's Department identified him as a non-citizen, obtained his signature for voluntary removal from the United States and turned him over to Customs and Immigration Enforcement, a division of the Homeland Security Department, for deportation.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, which helped file the lawsuit, says it has Guzman's birth certificate showing he was born at Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center.

It also says that Guzman had previously done jail time for drug possession, so he had a record that could have been cross-checked before a deportation decision was made.

The Sheriff's Department has said it followed procedures correctly.

In California, Guzman's brother, Michael Guzman, said last week that during a phone call to the family the 29-year-old said he had been deported and asked a passer-by where he was. The family could hear the person respond: "Tijuana."

Michael Guzman said his parents were from Mexico, but seven children, including Pedro, were born in California. Pedro, who takes the surname of his father, speaks both English and Spanish.

Carvajal said she keeps seeing glimpses of people on the Tijuana streets that she thinks are her son and runs toward them. But each time she finds she is mistaken.

"I have to fight for my son," she said.

Anonymous said...

"Mom Says Disabled Son Illegally Deported"

Damn that's a fucked up story, I wonder how many more are out there that we don't hear about. Didn't they look into this guys records.

Awhile back the OC Weekly had a story on a house in Santa Ana that the cops went to for some minor incident and ended up deporting some 21 year old guy who had been in the States since he was 1 years old. The Weekly interviewed him in T.J and the poor guy was out of his element. Like he said he may be Mexican American but Mexico was way different for him, he was a skater, punk rock kid from Santa Ana. He whole family was still in Santa Ana. He was in college, had a job, I don't think the guy even realized he was "illegal".

OC HALF BREED

Anonymous said...

To the guy talking about OC, I won't argue that's there's plenty of bigots there, but get over it, LA i.e the VALLEY is the same damn thing, don't kid yourself. There's plenty of Minutemen supporters from L.A area (including Latino's). You probably have never been to O.C. Sure a lot of the shit said about it is true but at the sametime it's not like some TV show called the OC, chances are you probably haven't even been to places like Santa Ana, Costa Mesa, Fullerton, Garden Grove, Orange, Stanton, La Harbra. Even H.B that you mention has a nice size varrio. Newport, can't say I've seen a varrio there, haha.

OC HALF BREED!

pedro de cholo vista (los angeles) said...

don quixote said...

The LA Sheriffs Dept. and US "ICE" Homeland Security clowns claim no responsibility or wrong doing, oh yeah! I wonder what the Minutemen and they're ilk would say if this poor cat was spotted out in the hills of San Diego trying to cross back into his own country?


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Why is Don Quakers always defending the most "innocent" victims of the gavachos.

I read the artcle which stated that
29-year-old Pedro Guzman of Lancaster was "mentally disabled".

But is also said he was arrested before for drug possesion. I guess he was "smart" enough to find the crack dealer on the corner and spend his goverment disability checks on crack. ("The American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California, which helped file the lawsuit, says it has Guzman's birth certificate showing he was born at Los Angeles County-USC Medical Center. It also says that Guzman had previously done jail time for drug possession, so he had a record that could have been cross-checked before a deportation decision was made.")

Don Quakers why don't you ever defend the victims of the cholos which are usually latinos?

You remind me of all the pendejos in East L.A. who go running to defend a low life cholo when he gets get killed by the Hollenbeck cops while aiming a gun at cops. But don't say shit about all the innocent victims of robberies, shootings and murders which happen almost daily. No wonder Los Angeles has turned to shit.


Alrato Vatos Locos y Pendejos

Anonymous said...

O.C. murder trial puts gang in spotlight
Testimony from a string of gang-connected witnesses reveals the workings of a Southland white supremacist group.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-enemy25jun25,1,370390,full.story?coll=la-headlines-california

http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/white-meat-please/27144/

http://www.ocweekly.com/features/features/white-power-with-a-lisp/27294/

Anonymous said...

you have to understand that Sheriff and LAPD cops are not the brightest in the LE Field. Imagine stopping a dressed down little cholito for a routine FYI and he cant spell out his own name or street address. Where do you think the cop will go next? Baton? Pepperspray? A out of policy choke hold? A kick in the Ass? or be smart and take out the Miranda Rights Card and request the youngster to read out his Rights loud. Then you find out that he is illiterate.....then you have to stop your huffy buffy new-booty 6/7-year partner from putting a boot up his ass......all along you thought he was playing that bullshit gangster game. A large majority of these gang bangers are illiterate, ADD, BI-polar, or some other learning disability. The rest are a bunch of lazy ass mama nipple sucking cry babies that refuse to get a 9-5 job. That goes for both black and latino gangs.
The sad thing is that our society and LE is going to start seeing the by-product of Meth users children. You thought crack babies of the 80s (marjority black) are today's biggest headache. Wait until the meth kids (all races included) start growing up and hitting the streets and state prisons. The CA State prison will start to change demographics and the White population will start to outnumber blacks in lower level yards in about 15 years.
That's why I support deporting the State Prison illegals!! Leave more prison room for the Orange County WHITE BOYS....lol!
By the way, The Mayor's new Hyna is Banging! I dont blame that vato, she looks like she would be a freak in bed. She has that look :)

the kansonian mule dispatch said...

Utah's top man.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1103061allgier1.html

Anonymous said...

Don Quixote said...
Gee I guess all the rhetoric from the COp apologist's who claimed it would take years to change the LAPD culture might be mistaken, Huh?
You think the LAPD officers at the park might of been thinking "my careers on the line here and no matter what comes my way I'm staying cool and not reacting like our previous history".
I hope so.
#################################
Hey cholo spokesman, pick a position and stick with it. You only contradict yourself when you make a weak attempt to point out how you were right in previous posts.
Have the reins of power of power in LA politics changed since MacArthur Park? NO. Did Chief Bratton get thrown out on his ass since MacArthur Park? NO. Have any cops been fired since MacArthur Park? NO. Have any cops had charges filed on them since MacArthur Park? NO.
And here's the real difference between MacArthur Park and this demonstration you refer to; did anybody in the crowd start throwing rocks and bottles? NO.
So, in deference to your self serving statement that maybe the cops "learned their lesson"....maybe the protestors learned theirs. You see payaso, when the cops told the crowds to leave they complied, except for a very small handful of Hayes' people who were arrested without incident.
So in response to you "huh"....
My unequivocal answer would be NO.
Nice try. But come again with a better and more thought out response if you want to debate me.
My original posts are there for all to see; along with yours.
My predictions remain true to the present. Yours have not come to pass (as of yet).
So who between us posts rhetoric?

th kansonian mule dispatch said...

http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSL238985120070625?feedType=RSS&rpc=22&sp=true

Barber stabs second client with scissors
Mon Jun 25, 2007 9:42AM EDT

AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - An Amsterdam barber has been arrested for stabbing a client with scissors, the second such incident involving the barber, Dutch police said on Saturday.

The client was stabbed and seriously wounded after a fight broke out earlier this week at the stinking barber shop, police said.

The barber stabbed another client with scissors in 2000. The man later died of his wounds, although the barber was cleared of any charges after a court found he had acted in self-defense.

Police said they were holding the man, 42, and investigating whether attempted manslaughter charges should be brought against him. In the mean time the court has ordered the scissors to be handed over to the barbers wife.

don quixote said...

some bonehead, mystery, cop apologist states:

"My original posts are there for all to see; along with yours."

My original posts? Hey not that I care but I don't even know who the hell you are, anony-mouse I guess pero quien sabes, tiene's miedo para conocerle? You afraid of getting identified with your babosada's? I understand, kind of like the old movie "Ego without a Cause".

de todos modo's I'll stand by my statements about the shit hitting the fan and changes being made from top to bottom at the LAPD. If your ignorant enough to believe that nothing changed in policy, training techniqes,Commanding Officers, and an attitude adjustment course, be my guest,
or even that the word came down from on high and spread through the ranks of the LAPD that "it's your ass if any more McArthur Park shit happens".
Well if you want to believe that then I've got some swampland real estate investments I'd like to show you sometime.

And Maybe you can explain this statement of yours which is kind of nebulous in it's content.
?????????????????????????????????

"So, in deference to your self serving statement that maybe the cops "learned their lesson"....maybe the protestors learned theirs. "
???????????????????????????????????

Are you saying that "protestors" are a separate species or race of people?
Does it matter what "they" are protesting or who they are or are you saying "protestors" are all the same and needed to be taught a lesson with rubber bullets and clubs?
How about the media and press are they part of this new race of "protestors"?

Hey whoever you are I've seen and been part of many "protests" and rallys, and other gatherings of people, and I'll guarantee you that the LAPD never relayed messages back and forth or tried to "communicate" with protestors in the past. But you can bet after the McArthur Park embarrasement the LAPD was on it's P's and Q's on Crenshaw Blvd. and I'll bet every cop felt that the Chief himself was watching them.

And again here's what's happened and in the process of happening over the May 1 LAPD meltdown.
(by the way I never said Chief Bratton would be fired, to the contrary it was the LAPD rank and file who wanted his ass but times have changed and now they got to toe the line. good!)
Oh YEa it's nada anonymouse,

ASSOCIATED PRESS
5:12 p.m. May 30, 2007


LOS ANGELES – Police Chief William J. Bratton announced Wednesday appointment of a new head of the bureau that handles training and tactics for emergencies and promised more personnel changes following the uproar over police beatings during a May Day immigration rally.

Deputy Chief Michael Hillmann will head the new Critical Incident Management Bureau and will report directly to Bratton, the police chief told the City Council.

According to the Police Department's Web site, Hillmann developed the LAPD's Mobile Field Force/Civil Disorder program and has provided training internationally “on law enforcement response to unusual occurrences” such as civil unrest.

Reporters, demonstrators and others were pushed to the ground, struck with batons and targeted with nearly 150 “non-lethal” rounds – including foam, sponge and bean bags – as officers in riot-gear swept through MacArthur Park to break up the May 1 immigration rally.
Five people were arrested.

The City Council heard the Police Department's preliminary report on the incident and agreed to further discuss it next Wednesday.

Bratton told the council that the chaos was prompted when a “relatively small group of agitators seeking to provoke the police” threw rocks and bottles at officers but it escalated because of a “breakdown” in police command and control.

“It began at the planning stages and the effect dominoed throughout the event itself,” he said.

“It's clear there was no strategy,” he said later during the 3½-hour hearing.

Two senior ranking officers on the scene “did nothing,” even as hundreds of police moved in on peaceful demonstrators and thousands of protesters fled past them, Bratton said.

Former Deputy Chief Cayler “Lee” Carter, who was the highest-ranking officer at the protest, was demoted and placed on home assignment after the incident and later resigned.

Cmdr. Louis Gray, who was second-in-command at the park, was reassigned.

Other personnel changes are expected as police continue their investigation, Bratton said.

“We will conduct a transparent and fully accountable set of investigations,” he said of the clash.

The FBI has opened a civil rights inquiry.

Naw nothing at all, business as usual!
dq

Anonymous said...

Look Half Breed idiot, I was down in OC when you were just a negative sperm count in your dad's testicle nuts. OC is up on the top 3 worst White Supremist areas in California - I dont know who takes the cake on racist bigots but its between San Clemente, Newport, and Huntington Beach. Aside from having the an unusal high number of white male child molesters, you can not compare LA to the propaganda bullshit that comes out of your OC County. That bullshit aryan crap is distributed all over the US, Canada, and Europe which always ends up being funded and supported by some undercover University Professor with their OC nazi cohorts. Compliments of your highly respected neighbors, whether you like it or not - THE OC SUCKS.
The real "racial cleansing" is always in full force in your neck of the woods. :)

don quixote said...

I posted up the sad story of a mentally challenged (or whatever you want to call him) guy who was deported and left to rot in TJ by not only the LA Sheriffs but by ICE / Homeland Security.

Some anony mouse goes off on a cholo calling binge and because this poor unfortunate had a prior drug beef he's supposedly just a mexican piece of shit who can rot or die in TJ or the desert hills of SD.

Then SMiley Face goes off on a tangent about "dressed down cholito's", illiterate gang bangers, nipple sucking cry babies, and finally meth users baby's.
I don't know, and the article I posted never mentioned anything about this poor vato being all those things.
Like I said in the post
"A veces el mundo esta bien gacho!
dq

Anonymous said...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19360273/

THE SUMMER OF LOVE
Where are they now?
1967 was a year of huge change (and great music). Whatever happened to some of it's colorful players, such as Scott "Flowers in Your Hair" McKenzie, Gloria Steinem, Engelbert Humperdinck, Bobby Seale and Wavy Gravy? Find out - and see then-and-now pictures.

PS. There is even Wally's friend, that guy from Santa Monica who got dumped by his wife Jane.

Anonymous said...

Now that LASD is taking over Maywood PD and Cudahy.....do we get the benefits of firing the entire Police Force and Brass?
:)

StillNoScript said...

OC, I absolutely agree with you. I was getting a tire put on at a Firestone in N. Hollywood a couple of years ago (when I was still in film school), and this white guy was in there bullshitting with the clerk (also white), and he kept saying, "Oh, I just get those cholos on San Fernando to do it." (regarding cheap auto work, I suspect). Anyhow, after about the 3rd time he said this, I asked him from the t.v. waiting area, "what's a cholo?" (sarcastic, obviously, as I'm a certified member of the InTheHat dysfunctional family and know what a cholo is..)

The guy sais, "oh, these gang banging Mexican types up there on San Fernando."

I then asked, "how do you know they're gang members?"

He sais, laughing (making me wonder if he's a fellow Wallista himself), "You must not be from L.A.".

I said, "I'm not. But I'm curious, how do you know if someone's a gang member just be looking them? What should I look for? I certainly don't want to get killed by a gang member" (again, pouring on the sarcasm).

He then drops the hammer, "Anyone who's poor and Mexican.".

I just said, "I doubt that", and didn't bother to listen to what he said next. Just went back to my newspaper.

Anyhow, you get the idea. If he can paint with such a wide brush regarding gang affiliation, I'm sure he's just as open minded when it comes to suspicions of a Mexican being illegal. What a redneck asshole.

Gava Joe said...

What's this? Afghanistan's opium production in 2007 is up 50% over 2006's bountiful harvest? It's amazing what the US military-industrial cartel can accomplish with taxpayer's help. They've helped to build a primitive agra business into a growing industry which one day may give the Southern cartels a run for their money.. I personally am proud that America is using commerce to engage a brand new front in the War Against Drugs. Also many thanks to the junkies who maintain their habits so well and create the demand that we all love to see in a capitalist society. Life can be good here in the land of the free. Please all you tecatos out there, try your best to injest only heroin refined in the East rather than that of the South. If everyone does their part we can help this burgeoning poverty-stricken country to become a powerhouse in its region. Afghanistan GOOD!! Latin America BAD!!

don quixote said...

It seems that if your locked up for being an "illegal alien" your just another criminal here in the US of A and any human rights the rest of the world would expect to be respected just ain't in the cards here hoss!

Under our current Executive Dept (the very Christian Bush Admin of course), our reputation for hunman rights abuses, in the eyes of the civilized world, are considered on par with China, Darfur, the Taliban and BUrma.


Deaths in ICE Custody: Security Requires Accountability, Not Just Flexibility
By TChris, Section Inmates and Prisons
Posted on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 10:19:04 AM EST
Talk Left: The Politics of Crime

{The government is obliged to treat the life-threatening medical conditions of its prisoners, including illegal immigrants who are held by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Yet Homeland Security "has resisted efforts by the American Bar Association to turn [detention] standards into regulations, saying that rulemaking would reduce the agency's flexibility." This is the same agency that wanted the "flexibility" to fire, demote, and transfer its employees at will, without the civil service protections that safeguard against arbitrary employment decisions.

"Flexibility" is a code word for "freedom from oversight." In the detainee context, here's what the department's trumpeted flexibility brings:

The inspector general in the Department of Homeland Security recently announced a “special review” of two deaths, including that of a Korean woman at a privately run detention center in Albuquerque. Fellow detainees told a lawyer that the woman, Young Sook Kim, had pleaded for medical care for weeks, but received scant attention until her eyes yellowed and she stopped eating. Ms. Kim died of pancreatic cancer in federal custody on Sept. 11, 2005, a day after she was taken to a hospital.
More...


Some of the sharpest criticism of the troubled system has come from officials at one of the largest detention centers in the country, York County Prison in Pennsylvania.
“The Department of Homeland Security has made it difficult, if not impossible, to meet the constitutional requirements of providing adequate health care to inmates that have a serious need for that care,” the York County Prison’s warden, Thomas Hogan, wrote in a court affidavit last year.

Abdoulai Sall, a mechanic with no criminal record, died in detention at the Piedmont Regional Jail in Virginia because he wasn't getting medication for his kidney ailment.

Fellow detainees described Mr. Sall huddling next to the unit dryer for warmth, barely able to walk. “The medical staff told him they don’t have what he needs because immigration don’t pay enough money,” one detainee wrote.
The jail claims that Sall received good care, but records reveal his complaints that he wasn't getting his medication despite his lawyer's pleas for medical intervention.

Since 2004, 62 detainees have died while languishing in ICE custody.

Anonymous said...

Don Quixote said...
Are you saying that "protestors" are a separate species or race of people?
Does it matter what "they" are protesting or who they are or are you saying "protestors" are all the same and needed to be taught a lesson with rubber bullets and clubs?
How about the media and press are they part of this new race of "protestors"?
################################
Here you go again, trying to make it a racial issue. My statement was merely a response to your ideology that the cops were less likely to overreact because they knew (these are your words) "their careers are on the line", due to the uproar over the MacArthur Park fiasco. Would that not infer that the cops had "learned their lesson"? My comparison and rebuttal to your statement was simply due to the fact that during this protest, there were no rocks and bottles thrown...so maybe the protestors "learned their lesson" that if they throw rocks and bottles the protest will be over...and when they are told to leave they should leave or face the possibility of force being used against them.
That's all that was meant to infer....nothing more...nothing less.
Then here you come with your racial angle. Your paradigm consists of nothing but race, race, race. You are a Chicano Al Sharpton. Because you see things (and say things) based on the participants race, and you form your opinions around that, you think everyone else does also.
That's not the real world Don Q.
The gavacho is not quite the big bad bogeyman you think he is. Your continual posts about Orange County gava's and "low down mayates" speak for themselves. You have an obsession and hatred for the gavachos and blacks. Your perspective on the world around you comes from this bigoted view. It's time to grow up and smell the menudo vato. That hatred is going to eat you up.
Now, to the point of rhetoric.
When the cops get brought up on charges or fired, then come strong.
Till then, it is what it is.
It's a dog and pony show to quiet down the maelstrom.
Until something happens vato it don't mean nada.

Anonymous said...

"Look Half Breed idiot, I was down in OC when you were just a negative sperm count in your dad's testicle nuts. OC is up on the top 3 worst White Supremist areas in California - I dont know who takes the cake on racist bigots but its between San Clemente, Newport, and Huntington Beach. Aside from having the an unusal high number of white male child molesters, you can not compare LA to the propaganda bullshit that comes out of your OC County. That bullshit aryan crap is distributed all over the US, Canada, and Europe which always ends up being funded and supported by some undercover University Professor with their OC nazi cohorts. Compliments of your highly respected neighbors, whether you like it or not - THE OC SUCKS.
The real "racial cleansing" is always in full force in your neck of the wooda"

Dipshit you have no idea how old I am! 2nd I never said there weren't plenty of bigots in the OC. I am well aware of it's history. What I am saying is a lot of you guys from L.A (especially No. Cal people) area and other parts like to talk your smack about OC being this or that, you seem to over look your own back yard i.e the VALLEY. Don't kid your self, the VALLEY is L.A's OC!! Little groups like the "American Patriot Movement" and other such groups come from the Valley. I did a little search of hate groups and guess what L.A county has a shit load of them same as Orange County.

Newport Beach? It's probably 40% jews, the rest are closet racist. Once again we all know the OC's history but it's demographics have changed, whites are a minority in the school districts, the OC as the old republican white guys remember it is no longer the same as it was.

If your talking about Peckerwood gangster, tweaker white boys then yea OC is the capitol with the I.E running a close 2nd followed by the Valley, SFV Peckerwoods, Valley Woods, San Fer Woods etc! But these guys aren't any different then your average Blood, Crip, South Sider, they use the hate and race as a way to attract people and use them for their drug sales, money laundering etc.

So before you get a stick up your ass again read what I said the first time and look at the skeletones in your own backyard!

OC/San Jose HALF BREED!

Anonymous said...

"I have a question off topic. Do the Mongols MC members ride with the Sur13 when they hit the joint? If so how does that work out, what with the Mongols having brother in chapters from northern califas as well. Do they have to ride on their own? How all that work? Can you imangine if the sur and the norte were to call each other brothers. The system would implode wouldnt it? The mayates and the whites would flip?"

Good question, I have no idea, but I doubt they ride together, who knows. I do know that the AB, NLR etc. hate the Hells Angels. I worked at a Detox center and there was a AB guy in there and he said if the Hellangels hit any yard where there's AB they hit them hard. The other night I saw one of those LOCKED UP shows and this NLR guy had a tat of him cutting the throat of a biker.

The AB guy who was at my work said the only biker gang he had any respect for was the Mongols.

OC/SJ HALF BREED

don quixote said...

Uh whoever you are (anony mouse?) are you on crack or something?

Read my post Tonto and tell me where I mentioned race except to ask you if your lame generalization "maybe the protestors learned there lesson" was pointing out that the "Protesters" were a separate "race or group".

SHow me where I specifically mentioned any race white, black, or Latino, so if you have no argument (which you don't) then don't go putting words in others mouths and stick to your invalid and nonsensical blabber.
over and out,
dq

Anonymous said...

What's wrong with the old vato, Don Ding Dong, getting his panties all wet and soggy with his bigotry views. I prefer this vato yap his mouth off and have a steady heart attack than die a sudden sweet death.
Cardiac arrest is a bitch these days among the Nazi Chicanos.
I imagine Don Queer rolling around in a hydraulic wheelchair with 17 inch chrome rims requesting a fat hyna to turn him by changing his shitbag.
:)

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript,
What's a redneck? Im curious, how do you know if someone's a redneck just by looking at them and the things they say? What should I look for? I certainly don't want to get killed by a redneck.

Anonymous said...

Don Q,
Using simple logic, the cops could have also learned from the MacArthur Park fiasco the following:
"I can overreact and beat people down if some idiots throw rocks and bottles at us....and they won't do a fucking thing to me".
Based on what has taken place so far, isn't that the message?
We will never know vato, because the crowd in this last protest DID NOT become unruly. So the comparison is apples and oranges.
My guess is that those in the upper ranks will be less likely to give the orders to clear out a crowd, but when/if the cops do get the order they will use the same type of method. The ranking officials on scene will just wait until it's a last resort in the future.
The future holds the answers to our debate vato.
One thing you might want to think about in the interim. Is there a way to move a crowd that doesn't want to leave without using force?
I haven't seen it. When they refuse to leave, the cops have to make them. Then it gets ugly because the cops treat every body like they are an arch criminal.
That's what happened at the DNC, and that's what happened in MacArthur Park. Same old same old once the order is given to "disperse the crowd".

don quixote said...

Yea your logic is simple alright anony-mouse.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"One thing you might want to think about in the interim. Is there a way to move a crowd that doesn't want to leave without using force?
I haven't seen it. When they refuse to leave, the cops have to make them. Then it gets ugly because the cops treat every body like they are an arch criminal."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You want to know what to do when the crowd won't disperse?
Simple, Well trained, professional LE does what it's done many many times in the past, you start arresting people after they have been warned.

You don't (like the LAPD goon squads) start your own riot and attack everyone within range, including the press and TV media, onlookers in the park, old wino,s under a shade tree, willie nilly, fulano natal, and the good humor ice cream man. All done without any identifying numbers or name plates like some Nazi storm troopers, (they have them on now!).

The protests at Liemert Park, Crenshaw area were a perfect example of how the LAPD culture and training of crowd control has been changed.
In the past this would have been a classic LAPD or LA SHeriff situation were they would have attacked the crowd.
And don't give me the old bullshit about rocks or bottles being thrown, (I still haven't seen any serious video of McArthur Park rocks and bottles being thrown only a few boneheads way far away on the other side of the park who threw a couple of "plastic bottles" bfd)

No I and many others have witnessed the LAPD, on numerous occasions, just attack a crowd for not moving fast enough or a couple of goon cops will just start pushing and wacking people, Cops trying to start a situation like agents provacatuers.
It seemed like this is what happened at MacArthur Park, goon squad cops starting a situation for whatever reason (LAPD culture)and it backfired on them bigtime with the horrible publicity worldwide.
I now think it was also a test or showdown between the once all powerful LAPD, and the latest non- LAPD raised Chief, Bratton who was smart enough to have cultivated the City Council, most of the LA County Supervisors, and the real "powers that be" The LA TImes, The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of LA, the old old Power broker law firm that runs the LA show for the big fellas, "O'Melveny and Meyers",

Eli Broad, Richard Bren, Richard Riordon, and all the wealthy old LA families who want things changed from the old maverick, racist, independent,Brutal, LAPD to a more modern and less emabarassing police force that represents a modern, international, world power that the LA area is today.

The old LAPD neanderthals wanted a showdown, and after all their chest beating, whinning, threatening, and knashing of teeth, it ended up that the independence of ex NYC Chief Bratton (who was brought in to change the LAPD culture) was intact and the "powers that be" had his back, and Bratton was reappointed and has consolidated his power base even further.

ANd that my confused friend is how it went down and also why any recent demonstrations in LA haven't been the victims of an LAPD calvary charge as in the past, not due to as you say, "Maybe the protesters learning they're lesson"

The LAPD got thier ass's spanked and Chief Bratton got the word from on high to straighten the shit out, he seems to have "taken names and kicked some ass's" and the recent non-violent (on LAPD's part) demonstrations are proof of this.
I for one hope it continues and wish Chief Bratton continued success.
dq

Anonymous said...

SHow me where I specifically mentioned any race white, black, or Latino, so if you have no argument (which you don't) then don't go putting words in others mouths and stick to your invalid and nonsensical blabber.
over and out,
dq
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Don Quixote said...
Are you saying that "protestors" are a separate species or race of people?
#################################
You brought the race game into it
Kimosabe, with your above post.
################################
Don Quixote said...
Does it matter what "they" are protesting or who they are or are you saying "protestors" are all the same and needed to be taught a lesson with rubber bullets and clubs?
How about the media and press are they part of this new race of "protestors"?
##################################
Then YOU ask if the media is part of this new race, inferring that I had injected the racial tone. Nice try payaso, but it won't cut it.
YOU brought up race (as YOU always do). I never used the word race once, nor did I infer that race had anything to do with it. YOU DID
PENDEJO. The posts are there, check it out. Like I said, you're the Chicano Al Sharpton. When all else fails and your mierda has the light of day shined on it...and it stinks like just what it is....the only tactic you have left is to inject race and infer that those who disagree with your views are racist or sellouts. Is that why you
you call me Tonto? Is that why you refer to others as Chicano sellouts? Weak, lame, pathetic, and a piss poor tactic in a debate.

Come again, you can do better than that. Put some intelligent thought into your next rebuttal. Anybody who uses the word nonsensical has the ability, but your effort is lacking. Perhaps if you looked for a tangible argument, instead of falling back to the race strategy, you would fare better and not look so foolish.
Your turn payaso.

don quixote said...

OC Halfbeed, put "smiley face" on the "pay no mind list", it's obvious he's just looking for attention anyway he can get it.
You read his post's and he always comes off as an arrogant, smarmy, insulting, no respect for nonbody, puny know it all, last word freak.
It's apparent to anyone with any sense that this little wimp doesn't know shit from shinola about the OC.
ANyone who has spent any time at all in the OC in the last few years would know that it's not the same old bastion of "white conservative Republicanism" that it was in the past.
Yes there are still areas of the OC that are hanging on to the old John Birch Society, WHite citizens council, Walter Knott and Knotts Berry Farm, racist enclaves of olde but that exist's everywhere.

I think that the turning point was when Democrat,Mexican-American, Woman, Loretta Sanchez beat that maniac "B1 Bob Dornan" for Congressman in the OC, even in the face of all his racist campaign bs about illegal alien voters, commie support from the MALDEF, and other CHicano organizations, all the bullshit from him that was just a pseudonym or code for "Lets keep it white OC!"
There are city's in the OC that are almost totally Mexican AMerican like Santa ANa, much of Anaheim,Fullerton, Buena Park, Stanton, Cypress, ect;

Sabes que, anymore LA encompass's and represents almost the whole region, where before the freeways you had an LA proper (the city) then the COunty of LA as a whole, now it seems everyone in the Southland from Ventura to the San Diego line and all the way to the Colorado River is claiming LA.
ANd they may be right cause besides the downtown and central LA and Eastside, it's all pretty much the same.

So forget the little barking chihuahua "smiley face", the terrible truth is that he was an only child who was dressed as a little girl until he was 10 and his mother never broke him of his thumb sucking and dirty diaper habit until he was 12.
This unfortunate upbringing left him scarred and angry and effected his boy scout and Rubik Cube talents which were promising, he was the pride of his surburban community of Lynwood or Cerritos and ended his reign as the Lynwood Rotary Club's "Young Rotarian of the Year" prematurely

He has become a recluse and hermit of sorts in his middle class home in Seal Beach, never leaving the apt his parents built for him over the swimming pool shower and changing area.
Various medications, anti depressent, anti pschotic, anti manic, (he watches old tv episodes of Kojack, The Mod Squad, Adam 12, and The Monkees until the Star Spangle Banner is sung and the TV goes blank) have failed to suppress his urges (including incessant nosepicking) but hope for a cure or some relief is desired by all.

DOn't be offended by his nasty, arrogant nature or his never ending cries for attention, he is a good boy down deep and his time spent assisting the senior citizens cleaning up the dog waste on the lawn commons at Leisure World in Los ALamitos has been reprinted in the Seal Beach and Belmont SHore newspapers.

Have patience OC Halfbreed and let him vent a while, it's good therapy!

dq

StillNoScript said...

A redneck to me is a white racist, plain and simple. By this guy clearly referring to poor mexicans as cholos, he qualifies as a redneck, as far as I'm concerned.

Now, a cholo is a gang member, right? He referred to some mechanics on San Fernando Blvd. as "cholos". Yet, failed to demonstrate that they were cholos, only giving the example that they are poor mexicans.

There's a clear distinction between the basis for me calling him a redneck and the basis for him calling random Mexicans "cholos"

Nice try, though.

StillNoScript said...

As I was demonstrating with my story about the Valley, all though the politics may be more conservative in OC (yet, steadily changing, as OC points out), the Valley is certainly not void of it's racist rednecks. Any place where you have white people referring to all Mexicans as "cholos", and doing so with little confrontation from the crowd of about 8 in the waiting room that could overhear his drivel, still has some work to do in race relations. I can't imagine someone talking like that in Sacramento, except maybe way out in Roseville, or Rio Linda, where all the rednecks live, but not in Sacramento proper. No redneck would have the balls to pop off like that. But, in San Fer, on this day, this guy had no problem at all. He spoke so casually and undaunted that I can only take it as his type of conversation being the norm amongst Valley whites.

The Valley is more liberal politically, because of the Mexican population. (Evidently, the Mexicans in the Vally haven't visited InTheHat yet to get set straight by the "free thinking" Republican Mexicans Wallistas. lol.) But if it were up to the whities in the Val, it would be no different than OC.

Anonymous said...

Like I said before you ding bat, I've worked in both areas in Orange CO. and in the West Valley area. The West Valley area or even Santa Clarita is in no way close to OC bigtory.
Orange Co. takes to prize.
:)

Anonymous said...

The mongols are the step children of all biker gangs and a disgrace to all Mexicans or Chicanos. No one likes them - period. Not even us Mexicans from LA. They should all be hanged and wiped off the face of this earth. Dirty Mexicans trying to be trailer trash bikers. The same goes for the Choosen Few black brothers. Blacks on Harley Davidsons in South Central - what a joke.
:)

Gava Joe said...

Anonymous asked:

"StillNoScript,
What's a redneck? Im curious, how do you know if someone's a redneck just by looking at them and the things they say? What should I look for? I certainly don't want to get killed by a redneck."

You're probably asking the wrong person. Guys like SNS have this preconceived blanket notion that rednecks are Right-Wing Ultra Conservative hayseeds that chaw tobacco and say "taint" a lot.
Some "redneck asshole" is probably the only person fool anough to step up and save his ass were he getting ratpacked in some dive where they too did'nt care for his lean..
Truth be told a redneck got his monicker for having a perpetually sunburned neck from long hours in the fields. Chicanos I've known have the same condition only there's gets dark brown.

City-bred liberals carry the notion that it's mortally sinful to "play a race card", use defaming names for ethnic groups, yet they think nothing of refering to their own ehtnicity with contempt. It's called White Guilt and the tintos love to see it played out. It was their first tactic when they began their "revolution": instill guilt in the enemy and he'll bend to all your demands..
About 5 decades of this approach has created a generation of spineless whiners on BOTH sides of the debate.. Al Sharpton - WHAAAAAH! Tom Hayden - WHAAAAH! Ann Coulter - WHAAAAH (Adams Apple or no)...#1 rump on that hyna..

Fortunately during those 50 odd yrs of transition a rare portion of the populace was absent from the fallout because they were out in the sun trying to make a living and feed their families. Call them what you will. I call them "neighbor".........

Anonymous said...

the fourty ounse Posse was a group of crips with mexicans in it before they kicked out the crips and turned into surenos trese. They mexicans wuz actin like crips back when it was 400z Posse.them esses thought they were crips.. hoew they think they 13 now?

Anonymous said...

"I have a question off topic. Do the Mongols MC members ride with the Sur13 when they hit the joint? If so how does that work out, what with the Mongols having brother in chapters from northern califas as well. Do they have to ride on their own? How all that work? Can you imangine if the sur and the norte were to call each other brothers. The system would implode wouldnt it? The mayates and the whites would flip?"

I don't know either. But I do know that when you punch a Mongol the right way it makes a mess. And they never seem to get back up! Just my personal observation!

~81 Supporter~

Anonymous said...

Don Q said...

SHow me where I specifically mentioned any race white, black, or Latino, so if you have no argument (which you don't) then don't go putting words in others mouths and stick to your invalid and nonsensical blabber.
over and out,
dq


You are obviously going senile in your old age.I don't have time to copy and paste all the shit you talk about the gabachos and the jun bugs but you disrespect every race chech the archives old timer.

Anonymous said...

really? so if mongol members hit the yard, most of whom are chicano, but they have homies or brothers from northern cali chapters and they go to prison, who the hell do they ride with the northern chapters ride with the norte? the mongols are from L.A. originally right? so some one please explain this to me

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, you are waay wrong homey. The 40 onuce posse are surenos in LA. Their are alot of gangs that used to be mixed but went SUR this one is originally SUR.

don quixote said...

IT's getting confusing with all the descriptive nouns flying around out there and how people react to them.
Names of groups or ethnicities are so numerous, and how different people (and don't have to even be of that ethnic group) react to those descriptions can be an excercise in futility and exasperating due to misunderstanding and people being too "thin skinned" (no pun intended).

SNS speaks of hearing a white guy talking derisively about Mexican-Americans, refering to them as Cholos, explaining that Cholo's meant anyone who was poor and Mexican.
In this case I agree that the guy was a racist bigot who would get an ass kicking or worse if he would have been talking shit in front of the raza (another descriptive term).

SNS mans up and questions the bigot about his choice of words, but then gets GJ upset cause he refers to the clown as a redneck.

GJ comes correct explaining that the term redneck really is an old descriptive term referring to farmers or people who toil outdoors in the sun for a living.

I've been called to task on occasion for the use of the terms Mayate, or Tinto, Gavacho, and even "Chicano" by some falso's (wtf!)
When I was growing up we used to refer to "Blacks"? ( that word still repugnant to some Blacks ?) as Negroes, or Colored as was typically used by "African Americans" themselves.

My little brother 3 yrs old asked my Abuela who the "Colored People" were he heard people talking about, she tells him they're like the "Garbage Men", who were all "Colored" at that time in LA.

Not long after, the familia are downtown at the Grand Central Market and a Black woman with her baby are in line in front of us, My little brother takes a look at them and loudly says, "Look there's a Garbage Lady and her little Garbage Baby"

When I was a kid we used to refer to ignorant bigotted white people as "Okies", but then we grew up with real "Okies" and most were good people that weren't prejudiced at all. Sometimes we used to refer to "white people as "Paddy's" which really means "Irish" but some non Irish found that term insulting, so then it was Gavacho.
Italians were most often "Dago's" and sometimes "Guinea's" but some Dago's hated that name.

Us Mexican AMericans had all kinds of terms to describe ourselves, this is an old custom and I've read where in the early days of Spanish Colonial LA there were like 25 different classifications for people at that time from pure Spanish to Spanish/Indian to Spanish/Negro to meztiso's to quadroons to octaroons to infinity.

It was confusing enough to us youngsters to describe ourselves because we were hearing terms like Mexican, Mexican American, Spanish, Chicano, Mexican National, Wetback, Mojado, Pocho, Pachuco, Texano, Raza, our jente, and on and on, jijole!

ANd in LA you can go on forever with Japs, Japones's, Chino's, Chinks, Budda Heads, Jews, Judio's, Hymie's, Armo's, Ragheads, Fillipino's, Flips, Pare's, Guatapeor's, Coconut's, and on and on.

I think finally it just comes down to who your talking too, friend or foe, do you want to make an issue about it or not, is the person trying to be offensive or just not informed?
I don't know, it's just too confusing, and I need a drink.

Maybe it's like my old homeboy who punched the cop says to the judge, "I don't mind being called a Mexican just not a "Fucking Mexican"
dq

Anonymous said...

STILLNOSCRIPT said
"A redneck to me is a white racist, plain and simple. By this guy clearly referring to poor mexicans as cholos, he qualifies as a redneck, as far as I'm concerned."

SNS you are an anus. Here's what the guy said according to your first question about "what's a cholo?"...
"The guy sais, "oh, these gang banging Mexican types up there on San Fernando."

You asked him whats a cholo and he told you the first time...pretty good description of a cholo in my book and it is in yours too, you tool.

Anonymous said...

I find it hard to believe that StillNoScript, the enlightened progressive liberal would have no qualms about using racial epithets.
He did call somebody a "redneck asshole" didn't he? Hmmmm. Isn't that a demeaning term? Doesn't it have a racial connotation (towards white people)?
Just another example of his hypocrisy.
A racial epithet is a racial epithet. There's no difference between using the term "redneck" in a demeaning way towards whites and using the term "cholo" or "wetback" in a demeaning way towards Latinos.
Why is it that he is quick to use the racial epithet redneck without a second thought, yet he condemns somebody else for using racial epithets in the very post he calls someone a redneck.
Just thought I'd point that out and ask the question:
Is it ok to use racial epithets when referring to ignorant white people?

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript said..
There's a clear distinction between the basis for me calling him a redneck and the basis for him calling random Mexicans "cholos"

Nice try, though.
##################################
I agree with you 100%.
The difference is that he's a racist...and you're a hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

FYI the Mongols also have white guys in them.

So Norteno's don't like the DODGERS!
Just a little Nor. Cal entertainment for you guys.

This morning my son yells down stairs and say's "dad, someone put graffiti on our sidewalk". I yell back up the stairs, "oh yea what's it say", son reply's "XIV Bitch".

That's some funny shit, so I go look and yep right in front of my garage, one of my neighbors blacixcan, wigger or mayate friends (yea I used that word and in this case it fits)don't like my DODGERS stickers on the back of my van that I proudly produce once I moved up to San Jose! It could be that Dodger shit I wear around proudly as well.

OC/SJ HALF BREED!

PS Where does smiley live, Newport Beach, cause he sure seems to know a lot about it. Must be nice!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,

Thank you for your info in regards to the 40 oz. Posse. I recall a post previously that stated there were a few other gangs/Varrios that started off as a mixed juncture but were told to clean up their act or suffer the consequences. If you can shed some more light on this if you could please, I would certainly appreciate it. I was also told that The Bratz ganga in Huntington Park went about the sameway. SV VBS, anyone else care yto shed some light? Thank you and respect to all. -Jose619

p.s. Pardon me if tthis is a "been there, talked about that" post. I am not trying to rehash the "racial pot", I am only curious as to thoseneighborhoods that I looked up and found. Once again, thanks to all and any feedback would be appreciated.

StillNoScript said...

Gava Joe, it's unfortunate that you can't even read my entire posts before jumping to conclusions.

Again, I base my calling him a redneck on the fact that he clearly stated to me that the only qualification for being a "cholo" is being a "poor mexican". Is that not a redneck, hence, white racist thing to say? What does this man have to do to qualify for being a redneck, burn a fucking cross?

My believing this man is a redneck is NOT a distinctively liberal point of view. 90% of the people who comment here would have this guy pegged for a redneck, talking the way he was. But, you're far more interested in raising any red herring you can to get into a libertarian vs. liberal debate than simply taking the time to read someone's entire post. But then again, what else is new?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
The mongols are the step children of all biker gangs and a disgrace to all Mexicans or Chicanos. No one likes them - period. Not even us Mexicans from LA. They should all be hanged and wiped off the face of this earth. Dirty Mexicans trying to be trailer trash bikers. The same goes for the Choosen Few black brothers. Blacks on Harley Davidsons in South Central - what a joke.
:)

I take exception to that comment you son of a bitch lapd. What the hell do your guys ride? Jap motos.
Mr. Moto

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript said...
A redneck to me is a white racist, plain and simple. By this guy clearly referring to poor mexicans as cholos, he qualifies as a redneck, as far as I'm concerned.


StillNoScript, you yourself stated that a redneck is a white racist.
It's obvious you don't condone such behavior by whites because you referred to him as a "redneck asshole".
So obviously you use the term redneck as a demeaning one.
PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The pot calling the kettle black.
Keep it up baboso, you're funny as hell.

Gava Joe said...

Still No Sense said:

"There's a clear distinction between the basis for me calling him a redneck and the basis for him calling random Mexicans "cholos""

Bottom line - short answer:

BULLSHIT!

que locuras said...

Don Q said...

SHow me where I specifically mentioned any race white, black, or Latino, so if you have no argument (which you don't) then don't go putting words in others mouths and stick to your invalid and nonsensical blabber.
over and out,
dq

*********************************

Don Quackers,

That statement is funnier than your joke about the forty year old just looking for a woman with big tits.

You are the mexican version of Archie Bunker. The way you tell it all the cholos problems are because of the racist gavachos, and every mayate is rude and condescending.

I agree with the other vato, we could fill a small book with all your rants about the mayates and gavachos.

Anonymous said...

LAPD instructor shoots colleague during training exercise
He is shot by a veteran LAPD instructor who apparently picked up the wrong gun.
By Richard Winton, Times Staff Writer
June 28, 2007


Los Angeles police are investigating how a veteran department firearms instructor shot and wounded another officer in the left hamstring at a training facility this week when he mistook a loaded handgun for a mock version of the weapon.

The incident occurred about 4 p.m. Monday at the Edward M. Davis Training Facility in Granada Hills as the two instructors, who train new recruits, were transitioning from teaching a class with live firearms to an exercise using mock handguns that look and sound like real weapons but do not discharge bullets.

Parts of the non-firing weapons are marked with orange paint, but the instructor failed to notice he had picked up the wrong handgun, police said.

The bullet struck Officer Peter Lee, 42, a 15-year veteran. The gun was fired accidentally by Hector Villanueva, 35.

"Unfortunately what occurred violated protocols," said Capt. Bill Murphy, head of the Los Angeles Police Department's Training Division. "When an officer picks up the [non-firing] weapons they are supposed to secure their live firearms. But one officer here didn't secure his live firearm and confused it. When he went to test the [mock] weapon he instead fired his real Glock and hit his fellow instructor."

"This is a bad thing," Murphy said, "but it could have been a lot worse."

Sources involved in the investigation said there was no animus between the officers and it seemed to be, as one person said, a "boneheaded" mistake.

LAPD Sgt. Lee Sands said Lee was listed in stable condition at a hospital. Murphy said the injured officer was expected to return to duty.

What disciplinary action Villanueva will face depends on the outcome of an internal investigation.

"The biggest punishment here is the knowledge he shot his fellow instructor," Murphy said.

The incident is being investigated as a serious use of force by a special LAPD division that probes all officer shootings. As a result of the incident, Murphy said, the department has decided to use orange paint not only on the magazine and muzzle tip of non-firing weapons but also on the hand grip to make it clearer to the user.

"This is the first negligent discharge we've had since we opened the training facility eight or nine years ago," Murphy said. "But annually, nationwide, three officers are killed in training."

Anonymous said...

Crackdown Launched On Northern California Gangs

POSTED: 7:08 am PDT June 28, 2007
UPDATED: 9:04 am PDT June 28, 2007

STOCKTON -- Heavily armed FBI agents, assisted by several Northern California law enforcement agencies, have launched a sweep of suspected members of several notorious Hispanic gangs with arrests taking place from Stockton to Castroville.

The sweep, dubbed "Operation Valley Star" by the FBI, rounded up 30 alleged gang members in Stockton, Manteca, Los Banos, Merced, Hanford, Salinas, Castroville and Petaluma throughout the day on Wednesday.

A joint press conference to further detail the operation was scheduled for Thursday in Stockton.

Salinas police Chief Dan Ortega said the raids were the latest attempt stemming back to Operation Black Widow in the late 1990s to rid the area of the gangs' drug trafficking and violence.

"Any time you take violent criminals off the streets, it's going to be significant," Ortega told the Salinas Californian. "We don't expect this (sweep) to be any different."

Wednesday's sweep began about 5:30 a.m. and lasted several hours.

According to FBI spokeswoman Karen Ernst, federal prosecutors had charged the suspects with conspiracy to possess and distribute cocaine, methamphetamine, Ecstasy and marijuana.

Ernst said the sweeps were a joint effort on the part of the FBI Safe Streets Gang Task Force to disrupt and dismantle the Nuestra Familia, Nuestra Raza, Northern Structure and Norteno gang structure within Northern California. According to the Californian, the Nortenos are one of two main gang groupings in the Salinas area.

Members often clash violently with their rivals, the Surenos. Literally "northerners" and "southerners" in Spanish, Nortenos and Surenos are said to split roughly between longtime Latino residents and Mexican immigrants.

Anonymous said...

really? so if mongol members hit the yard, most of whom are chicano, but they have homies or brothers from northern cali chapters and they go to prison, who the hell do they ride with the northern chapters ride with the norte? the mongols are from L.A. originally right? so some one please explain this to me

They do what they have to do on the inside. If something jumps off they stab around each other. I've been a Mongol for 20 years, but once I go to prison I do what I have to do to survive. Even on the streets I do what I have to do, shit I don't even own a bike right now because my survival depends on me rideing in a cage.

MFFM ...These colors don't run, but they hide!

Anonymous said...

SNS said......
"But, in San Fer, on this day, this guy had no problem at all. He spoke so casually and undaunted that I can only take it as his type of conversation being the norm amongst Valley whites."

The fact that there are many whites that speak and feel that way in the VALLE should not surprise anyone. I'm from the San Fernando Valley and believe me it's always been the same. The only difference now is that they hide it a little. Where before they would talk like that in the open, now they only have the balls to do so amongst other Valley whites, when "others" are not around. I guarantee you that the white dude who made those comments would never say the same thing in any of those RAZA shops that he talked about. I bet that when he goes to them that he is very polite and nothing like the bad ass peckerwood that he tried to sound like. I have many friends that own businesses up and down San Fernando Rd. and believe me when I say that a white dude talking like that at any of those places would get chin~checked de volada.

Kinky ass old timer Joe makes a good point with what he says. But he forgot to mention that the only way that a "redneck asshole" would step up for a city bred liberal is if the white liberal guy was being ratpacked by fools from another race. Any other way it would be the "redneck assholes" ratpacking the city bred liberal. I hope that what you say about escaping the fallout is true oldtimer, cause out here and in my trips around many states all that I keep bumping into are "wiggers". Politics aside, I miss the rightous pekerwoods.


"Ann Coulter - WHAAAAH (Adams Apple or no)...#1 rump on that hyna.." What the Fuck is that! Joe it seems very obvious to me that all that time out there in farm country has made you delusional and that you are in need of some major intervention. But for that to happen you need to help yourself and get your ass out of Kansas as fast as possible. You don't need to get away for very long, all that you need is one weekend to get back to normal. Remember that it's summer and the beaches out here are happening and full of lovelies. Even a trip to Vegas will probably cure you. I can bet that you will never look at Coultor the same way after you come back from any vacation spot away from middle America.

ALRATO
SV VBS

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript said...
There's a clear distinction between the basis for me calling him a redneck and the basis for him calling random Mexicans "cholos"

I think I understand SNS. You feel it's ok to use a racial epithet if the person you are referring to has made an ignorant and racist statement themselves.
Got it.
INCREDIBLE.

StillNoScript said...

Jesus Christ, this is so pathetic I had to go over it again.

Gava Joe said...

Anonymous asked:

"StillNoScript,
What's a redneck? Im curious, how do you know if someone's a redneck just by looking at them and the things they say? What should I look for? I certainly don't want to get killed by a redneck."

You're probably asking the wrong person. Guys like SNS have this preconceived blanket notion that rednecks are Right-Wing Ultra Conservative hayseeds that chaw tobacco and say "taint" a lot.


And yours is that they're hard workers. Look no further than a trailer park, and tell me who's closer to the truth.

Some "redneck asshole" is probably the only person fool anough to step up and save his ass were he getting ratpacked in some dive where they too did'nt care for his lean..

The fear card, like a jaded cop who takes his frustrations out on suspects. Gee, what would I do without those rednecks to protect me from the scumbags out there?

Well, first, I have to start going to dives. (I don't drink). Then, I have to go to a dive in a black neighborhood where I will certainly be the only whiter person, but, I have to make sure there's one redneck there.

Then, I have to wait for the Black guys to turn on me. There's a good chance they won't. So, I'll have to provoke them. Maybe, say, call them "tintos". Unprovoked.

Then, when they're mauling my ass, I'll call on Jethro to save the day. God bless rednecks and god bless this great President.

Gava, see the effort I have to go through to find any use for a redneck?

Truth be told a redneck got his monicker for having a perpetually sunburned neck from long hours in the fields.

And I'm sure "tintos" got their moniker from slaving in the fields and getting darker. Do you want me to play a violin now for your redneck scum fucks? Nobody cares how they got their stupid little name, the name is synonymous with racism because that's what rednecks were, blatant, open racists.

Chicanos I've known have the same condition only there's gets dark brown.

How would you know? You haven't seen a Chicano in half a century. And, remember, even then you only liked them due to their "loyalty". (do a search, people)

City-bred liberals carry the notion that it's mortally sinful to "play a race card",

I'm from Sacramento. Ask a Laker fan how big of a city Sacramento is. Ask a Sureno. Ask Chris fucking Webber, who had this classic quote in ESPN magazine about Sacramento: "I can't even get a pizza past 9 o clock." -and, this was just a few years ago. So, you can imagine how bustling Sacramento was when I was growing up.

use defaming names for ethnic groups, yet they think nothing of refering to their own ehtnicity with contempt.

Calling it as i see it. It's like Chris Rock said about white panhandlers, "pathetic". There's no excuse for it. A system designed to where if they just took a shower and shaved, they're at least busing tables. A black guy, even to this day, if he wants to work at one of the rich restaurants where he'll get tips, has to keep searching until he finds a place that already doesn't have it's token Black.

You want to compare the plight of your pathetic rednecks to that of Blacks? Say the word. I'm up for that debate any fucking day.

It's called White Guilt

It's called White People knowing how to read and understanding the history of this country.

and the tintos love to see it played out. It was their first tactic when they began their "revolution":

LOL. What revolution was this? Is this why you live in Kansas?

instill guilt in the enemy and he'll bend to all your demands..

So, you do recognize Blacks have an "enemy"?

About 5 decades of this approach has created a generation of spineless whiners on BOTH sides of the debate.. Al Sharpton - WHAAAAAH! Tom Hayden - WHAAAAH! Ann Coulter - WHAAAAH (Adams Apple or no)...#1 rump on that hyna..

All people that certainly control this country...yeh, we're on our knees.

Fortunately during those 50 odd yrs of transition a rare portion of the populace was absent from the fallout because they were out in the sun trying to make a living and feed their families. Call them what you will. I call them "neighbor".........

You live in California? Because they're called MEXICANS. Stop pretending we're in 1950 and your redneck, toothless trash fucks are the backbone of this country. They're the backbone of NASCAR and the Republican Party (at least since the civil rights act), while nothing more than an eyesore to the rest of the world. Thank god I don't have to call them neighbor.

2:52 PM

Anonymous said...

FBI: Sweep Disrupts Norteno Gang In NorCal

POSTED: 4:55 pm PDT June 28, 2007
UPDATED: 7:02 pm PDT June 28, 2007

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Police from across northern California told NBC11 they've put a huge dent in one of the most notorious prison gangs.


Police Arrest Top Gang Members

Police said Thursday they arrested 29 suspected members of Nuestra Familia over the past two days.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation said the sweep was intended to disrupt and dismantle the entire Norteno gang structure.


Experts at the San Jose police department said while the FBI may have accomplished that goal for now, they worry how long it will last.

Sylvia Gutierrez grew up in San Jose, but told NBC11’s Damian Trujillo that the Norteno gang known as Las Palmas is now part of her neighborhood so she is moving out.

"I don't want my son to die walking down the steet," Gutierrez said.

Gutierrez’s home is on Cunningham Avenue and she said it is now a new hotbed of gang violence.

The FBI announced Thursday it has delivered a blow to all Norteno gangs and to their parent organization, the Nuestra Familia prison gang.

The FBI said “Operation Valley Star” netted 29 suspected gang members from 15 cities across northern California, including San Francisco and Fremont.

Operation Valley Star resulted in the confiscation of 140 pounds of methamphetamine, 10 kilos of cocaine, $80,000 in cash and numerous weapons, according to the FBI.

An FBI informant recently told NBC11 gangs have virtually become corporate by using drug sales and trafficking. He said their main purpose now is to make money.

Sources in San Jose told Trujillo that while the sweep may cause a disruption for the gangs, they will always be around.

The FBI said the people arrested in the current raid are from the Mario Diaz drug trafficking organization. They worked from Greenfield to Petaluma.

Anonymous said...

Are there any Asian prison gangs?

Anonymous said...

Hey Gava Joe,
Looks like you've been in Kansas long enough now to have detoxed from the smog....and the "enlightened" LA attitude that is pure bullshit. GOOD FOR YOU!!!!

Once you've been away from the bullshit a while you realize that this life in the big city, where we make fun of "rednecks", "trailer trash", "hicks", "hillbillies", "country bumpkins", etc. is really fucked up. The people we make fun of in middle America are the ones who live a good life.
That city boy vs. country bot shit has gone on since the 1800's.
The city boys HAVE to live in a big city where the work is, and work for somebody else, because they can't make it on their own. The country boys know how to make it on their own and are fairly independent. If they don't work for themselves, they work for a farmer, rancher, or in a very small
mom n pop business.
I've experienced both lifestyles for several years, and the country boy life is the way to go (for me).
Stay in Kansas. Good for you.
Like I said, at least you've detoxed from the LA bullshit.

don quixote said...

Question's about who has the Mongols backs in the pinta, Norte or SUr.
From all that I hear from the street homies (I haven't done time in many years) almost immediately after hitting the joint you are hit up by someone about who you ride with.
My nephew from San Diego "SHelltown", who is an enforcer for the SUrenos in the pinta, but looks just like a tatted down blond whiteboy, (his Jefe was a Homeboy from Clover and EME associate, the well known "Paddy" "Owl")
He tells me that every time he goes to a new pinta the "woods" hit him up first and almost immediately. He tells me he looks them straight in the face and says "I'm so and so (Name withheld to protect the not so innocent) from Shelltown. Boom that's it he finds the Sureno shotcaller, if they don't find him first, whose got the keys, if they don't know each other (rare!) they confer and compare names and info and all is well.
I'm sure that the Mongols, who are originally from LA but on probation with the BIg Homies, claim Sur due to the anti Mayate feelings among most outlaw biker outfits including the MOngols.
The Norte and Mayates still back each others shit in the pintas.
And from what I hear any outlaw biker in the joints all over the US better hook up quick with someone or it's his ass.

Little news and info I got from a white boy on a job I was working in So. NM.
This wood was a good dude, big muscular corn fed vato named "Rot", short for Rotweiller.
He tells me he is a biker and former national "Sargent of Arms" for the "Bandido's" who are the MOngols allies and tights and they are thick in the entire SOuthwest from Ariz to New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma,(Gava Joe, how about Kansas?).
ANyway I ask this guy how come I don't see the Bandido's and thier crimepartners the Mongols anymore.
For years You would see these outlaw bikers flashing colors and patches all over NM, Texas, Oklahoma,ect. There would be 50 or a 100 of them packed up and flying down the interstate going 80 or 90 and riding with impunity too.
"Rot tells me he turned in his patch, cause in the last couple of years the Feds have decimated them with RICO charges and many rolled over and turned rat.
He tells me that when they hit the joints they are hit up by the AB if they're white boys or by the Surenos or they're allies "New Mexico Syndicate if they're Chicanos. He says they aint no organized Biker's in the Joints anymore cause they would get smashed.
Just the Chisme I hear out there.
dq

Anonymous said...

Are there any Asian prison gangs?

Most Asian prisons have them, but hell the way things are going the Asians probably ride with the Sur in all the joints in Singapore, etc.

Anonymous said...

Well, all this talk about rednecks, tintos, mayates,june bugs and Ann Coulter has really pissed off the woman below, Don KKK you better watch you back ese she is loooooooking for yoooou !!!!

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2007-06/30762193.jpg

a cop apologist ???? said...

I wonder what our Loco Liberals think about the LAPD when compared to the Brazil cops. These Brazilian cops really know how to quickly reduce gang membership, they should come train the LAPD.

This blog has sure has some crazy fools who have to label everybody from one extreme to the other. I guess only radical thinkers can read Wally's blog?

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070628/ids_photos_wl/r3177503838.jpg

http://news.yahoo.com/photo/070628/ids_photos_wl/r3593255545.jpg

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A Brazilian policeman walks past the bodies of slum residents killed during a shootout with drug gangs in the Complexo do Alemao slum in Rio de Janeiro June 27, 2007. Police killed around 20 suspected gangsters during five hours of gunbattles in a show of force before next month's Pan American Games, a security official said. Picture taken June 27. BRAZIL OUT REUTERS/Severino Silva-O Dia (BRAZIL)

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript said...
You live in California? Because they're called MEXICANS. Stop pretending we're in 1950 and your redneck, toothless trash fucks are the backbone of this country. They're the backbone of NASCAR and the Republican Party (at least since the civil rights act), while nothing more than an eyesore to the rest of the world. Thank god I don't have to call them neighbor.

The hatred in your post for these people you refer to is evident. Hate is hate vato. NO MATTER HOW TO TRY TO PACKAGE IT UP OR SELL IT....so quit talking racist shit about folks who talk racist shit. THAT MAKES YOU ONE OF THEM...you're now part of the problem...UNDERSTAND?
No, I didn't think so. You are one of those arrogant hypocritical types who think it's ok for YOU to do it...but it's wrong when someone else does it.
TYPICAL.

sheriff john said...

ORLANDO, Fla. - Former astronaut Lisa Nowak didn't wear diapers during her 950-mile road trip to confront a romantic rival, her lawyer said Friday, disputing one of the more bizarre details to emerge from the NASA love triangle.

"The biggest lie in this preposterous tale that has been told is that my client drove from Houston, Texas, to Orlando, Florida, nonstop, wearing a diaper," Donald Lykkebak said after filing motions to suppress evidence in Nowak's criminal case. "That is an absolute fabrication."

The tidbit that Nowak wore diapers during her trip was written in the police report filed after Nowak's arrest in February.

These Saran-wrap baby's are not inexpensive Wally, however I am pleased to offer the full-line of Depend Brand products to our valued customers all across America. Depend adult disposable diapers, Depend adult disposable briefs, Depend belted undergarments, Depend belted shields, Depend pull-on disposable briefs (underwear style), Depend Boost inserts or disposable pads, Poise disposable feminine hygiene garment liners, Depend male urinary absorption pads and clothing guards. The LAPD should look into these as they would cut down "service time at the local donut shop". An added benefit would be a swamp cooler effect for the officers wearing them in our summer month's here in L.A.
What say you officers?

Anonymous said...

The image of a teenage boy beating up his own mother so he can steal money from her purse will not quickly fade from memory. Nor will the scene in which a young woman has sex in exchange for drugs -- which her boyfriend collects -- while she says, in a voiceover: “I love my boyfriend. We’ve been together since like eighth grade. He’s my best friend. He takes care of me.”

The Montana Meth Project isn’t aiming for subtle in the third wave of a TV, radio and print campaign designed to keep teens from even trying methamphetamines. After graphically showing kids what the addictive, destructive drug can do to their bodies, the campaign has turned its attention to how meth can lead you to abuse and exploit the people you care about.

The ads, which are garnering interest from other states including Arizona, are not for the faint-hearted -- or weak-stomached. But Jeanne Cox, executive director of the Meth Project Foundation, said the project’s creators found the in-your-face approach was the only way to get the attention of kids who are used to violent video games, horror movies and graphic music videos. Lots of luck white bread.

professor irwin corey said...

Anonymous said...
Are there any Asian prison gangs?


The Maulataingsandra Kings of Burma prison gang are the number one rated Asian gang in the CDC. These guys aside from being fierce warriors, have the best shaves in the CDC. The name Burma shave didn't appear just overnite, but took many years to earn. I hope I have answered your stupid question.

professor irwin corey said...

Anonymous said...
really? so if mongol members hit the yard, most of whom are chicano, but they have homies or brothers from northern cali chapters and they go to prison, who the hell do they ride with the northern chapters ride with the norte? the mongols are from L.A. originally right? so some one please explain this to me.


My reply,
In ancient times people had only one name but as populations grew many individuals were given the same names and it became difficult to know who was being referred to. In order to reduce the confusion, individuals with the same name were differentiated from one another by various characteristics, such as physical characteristics. Any physical characteristic could become associated with an individual, for instance: Juan el Gordo (John the fat) as opposed to Juan Delgado (thin John), Juan el Grande (Big John) different from Juanito (little John), Juan Rubio (blonde) as opposed to Juan Moreno (dark-skinned), Juan Blanco(white) as opposed to Juan Negron (black or very dark skinned), plus Rosado and Rojas likely referring to redheads. That is why I always sail with vodka rocket fuel for those special family functions.

PS. Wally your blog was much better when these police explorer wanna be's were off.

red skelton said...

professor irwin corey said

PS. Wally your blog was much better when these police explorer wanna be's were off.

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And the blog would be even better yet if really old fools like you who use names like "professor irwin corey", mustang sally, big betty, jim, marty sin pantalones, wallista and etc would find another hobby in your old age.

Your are far more annoying than any police explorer could ever be, you need another activity, maybe lawn bowling at the senior center.

Where is OldSkoolFool-F13 and N14 when we need some humor !!!

Anonymous said...

DQ,
That's pretty much what the AB guy I met from work told me, bikers get smashed on site unless they hook up really quick. I alway thought the HA rode with AB but according to this guy AB hated HA and would smash on site.

On your other subjects, my brother just did sometime in OCJ and he said the second he walked in everyone in there turned and said what car, he said South Sider and all the woods went ahh. He was working laundry and he was always getting hit up by the woods for stuff or called wood then they'd find out he was riding South Side. He said in OCJ the South Siders and Woods were tight and the Woods would acknowledge the few blacks that were there but the South Siders were to have nothing at all to do with them.

Lastly there was a older homie from Clover working in OC and he was saying Clover was one of the oldest varrior's in LA and that they had a few white boys who were heavy hitters???? This guy liked to "talk" about himself a lot, haha. Curious what you knew, maybe one of them he was talking about was your nephews old man.

OC HALF BREED!

NorCAL said...

O.C said...


So Norteno's don't like the DODGERS!
Just a little Nor. Cal entertainment for you guys.

This morning my son yells down stairs and say's "dad, someone put graffiti on our sidewalk". I yell back up the stairs, "oh yea what's it say", son reply's "XIV Bitch".

That's some funny shit, so I go look and yep right in front of my garage, one of my neighbors blacixcan, wigger or mayate friends (yea I used that word and in this case it fits)don't like my DODGERS stickers on the back of my van that I proudly produce once I moved up to San Jose! It could be that Dodger shit I wear around proudly as well.



O.C

What did you expect a welcome sign?
If your gonna represent so proudly you just might catch some shit for it , your in Northern Cali now.And it sounds like you better hook up with some South Siders real quick.It sounds like the only Nortenos you've had expirience with in the past are some tweakers in the Salinas valley , not all Nortenos are a bunch of sorry tweakers and lops.Just look at the pinta it's full of real mother fuckers.You want to test the waters you might get bit by a Shark!

StillNoScript said...

No, READ:

I don't hate white people.

I hate rednecks, BECAUSE they're are white supremacists.

And, sure, founded on that hate I mock every single goofy white trash characteristic about them.

Hate is hate? So be it. Lock me up for hating redneck, white trash nazi racist hillbilly right wing diseased crackers. Fuck them, and anyone, including Gava Joe, who apologizes for them. If it wasn't for those fucking vermin, the Republican party would be dead and we wouldn't get Presidents like Bush. The sooner rednecks eat their fat asses to an early coronary, the better.

And, where did I say that "hate" was bad? I have no problem with hate, as long as you're hating something that's bad, like rednecks. I hate terrorists. I hate child molesters. I hate rednecks. So, what is this calling me a hypocrite and whining based upon? Yeh, my politics are left of center. But I never said I was Ghandi. Nut up and debate my points, and get over this whiny hypocrite accusation. Everybody's a hypocrite to some degree. It's rather or not you're right is what matters. And, I know I'm right about rednecks.

Anonymous said...

so from comments im reading trgarding the mongols, there is no brotherhood amounst them, caus eif they are in the joint, them "they do what they have to, which is ride for the Sur, and tuen their backs on their nrohters? what a sorry way to live

Anonymous said...

Jose619

My honest answer to your question is that many vatos that came out of the mid~80's varrios were on that mayate trip. Including a few vatos from my varrio. I can't speak for other varrios and about the degree that they were into that trip. But it was very obvious that some varrios were completely on that tinto trip to the point that they even claimed crips and bloods. And like I said a few vatos in my varrio were doing the same.

Anyways, the way I see it many of these varrios like my own didn't have any older homies to school them, so we had to learn everything as we went along. Shit, the homies and me were 14 and 15 year olds when we busted out. And as you can guess some of them were influenced by that NWA gangster rap that was all the rage back then. Many of us caught small juvi cases early on and got some clesha. The homies that caught those cases weren't into that mayate trip but we weren't cholos either. But when we came out we all slicked our short hair back and wore baggy clothes. So you know that when we got out that we were not going to allow those jerrycurl wearing fools to claim the varrio. The homies courted those fools out and the putos turned on us and formed their own clique, becoming our enemies. They didn't last long. A couple of other fools that were borderline on that shit took their calentadas and shaped up. So we were a completely SURENO varrio years before we hit county age.

The only time that I have ever seen any vato from the bratz was in the condado. The vato had gotten negative attention because he spoke like a fucking mayate but he was allowed to ride. A short time later when he was coming back from the showers someone noticed some of the ink that the vato had. It said something about being a crip killa maybe it was blood killa what ever, the point is that the vato rolled that shit up. And that's the only vato from that varrio that I have ever seen.

Bottom line is that there were some varrios that were completely caught up in that trip, and others that were only semi~caught up in it. And still others that only had a few fools that rode like that. Those new 80s varrios that didn't shape up before reaching county age were forced to learn the hard way.

As for the Asians they ride in their on car in the joint. In the LA county they lock it up.

Hey DQ, I don't think that the Norte is backing up the tintos all that much anymore. From what I hear they'll still do business together but they aren't tight like before. The ones that visit this site have said that they would back us up before they back them. I believe them cause they sure did us a paro back when I was in the pinta. And as far as for the Mongols, what I heard is that their case is a little more serious than just probation?

ALRATO
SV VBS

Anonymous said...

Here is a part answer to the HP Bratz gang. The Bratz were all big sissy wannabe pretty boys GQ chavalas that drove around Volkswagon Bugs and threw whack ass parties in the early 1980s - thats when bugs were in style (The Buggin shows were in- like the Low Rider's shows) with the HP Mexican Coconuts trying to imitate you Orange Co. mulluck hair wearing white boys. You know who, your typical uneducated Hispanic vatos. Then for some strange reason unexplained UFO reason, they converted from a custom bug club to banging a neighborhood, but WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD??? They drove around bugs - They claimed BRATZ and allied themselves with LA BLOODS but dressed like disco ducks and were all Mexicans (the too cool HP High School crowd). I dont know if it had something to do with them comming in contact with Mellow Man Ace and Geep-Geep (B-Real from Cypress Hills) at house parties and all his clown friends in South Gate that associated with the EastSide Bishop Blood gang off 92nd street and Alemada area. If you hear that idiot B-real say that he was a Gang banger, he is the biggest lying sack of shit (kinda like snopp dogg story) - he was a big pussy break dancer from a krew named " The Street Dancers" who always lost to a bunch of surrounding break dancing crews like TUFF - "The Ultimate Force" and some other dancing krew out of Maywood and bell. That's when Geep-Geep would walk around asking people for a ride because he refused to get a job. Either that or getting chased around and beaten up for throwing bottles at parties (because his parties always sucked).
Now, going back to the pussy Bratz. Now that the Bratz started banging by the mid and late 1980s - they almost all gave up the custom bug thing and started banging blood and wearing Red. They had one clique - the Baby Bratz but they never won any real fist throwing gang fights. Always got thier asses kicked behind the HP police Station. To put it all short and not to go into details and story of how bad they got their asses kicked - the bratz disappeared and were eventually engulfed by Florence 13. A handful of bratz are now full-blown Florencia and talk about how the Bratz was only a phase and not really gang. Then, you have others say the opposite....that they are veteanos...bla bla..bla...a bunch of horseshit.
Aside from never losing a fight against them and kicking the shit out of them (the ones that were down to go heads up), I care less about the Bratz. Again, Mexican Bloods in Huntington Park - what a joke~ Like the mongols - a disgrace!
:)

Up Here said...

norteno gang in sinaloa
May 19th, 2007 by eris1234
I was recently in mexico, in culiancan, sinaloa, it was a group from our church. We were went down there to help the poor. We noticed somethin unusual, there were lots of gang members there claiming colors and numbers that are claimed by mexicans in the u.s. norteno gang graffiti was all over, nortenos are spreading south. I didn’t even know there were nortenos outside of northern california. Is this gang problem realy getting that bad, it’s the same thing is mara-salvatrucha. Gangs are spreading. The nortenos are just 1 out of many.




It would be interesting to see if they try to migrate back up North through L.A. - I highly doubt it but if the numbers get large enough nothings impossible.

Santiago said...

Great commanders in history have understood two critical truths: the situation in war is constantly changing, and decisions must take that change into account-and, therefore, that it is best to delay decisions until the last possible moment to ensure that they are made on the basis of the most recent and accurate understanding of the situation, rather than on preconceptions formed in different circumstances. The situation in the Mexican Mafia is very different today from what it was in the 1990's, to say nothing of the fleet and high-powered emergence of a Mexican Cartel in the last seven years. It will be very different in September, and still more different in December of this year. If you do read Wallace's book, it will afford the reader the comprehension and awareness that will be useful to frame and calibrate among certain things, the assurgent growth and ultimately fated dovetailing of the twain. Business always comes first, they will dominate (product, importing, distribution), and a beggar to survive, will make strange bed fellow with him that feeds him.

don quixote said...

A previous post exclaims;


{The city boys HAVE to live in a big city where the work is, and work for somebody else, because they can't make it on their own. The country boys know how to make it on their own and are fairly independent. If they don't work for themselves, they work for a farmer, rancher, or in a very small
mom n pop business.}



I don't know, but I'll take the city life any day, I've spent lots of time over the years working and practically living in many rural, semi rural areas, and even though I enjoy the solitude, quiet, clean air there are some real drawbacks too.
A lot of these country people are great, especially the old timers who reallly know what country living is about. The younger generations are generally full of shit and are not living the same self sufficient existence there ancestors did.
They have the obigatory horse in a corral but usually blast around in their new Pick ups with the stupid decal of the little boy pissing on a Chevy or Ford, or kneeling down to pray on the back window.

They dress up not like the old ranch hands or cowboys but kind of faggoty like, with thier tight ironed wrangler jeans with the round spot on thier ass, creased pants and weird colored shirts in some indian design, and highly polished cowboy boots.
They don't work much anymore cause they live off the parents, and the money they got for selling off the farm into 25 acre ranchettes, but now spend most of their time fishing, hunting, or in the bar whinning about the Mexicans and they're "Spanish speaking", or shopping for a new ATV or SNowmobile.
Anymore in many places it's just like the city and the Mexicans do all the work.
In many of these towns the real young kids are listening to rap music and dress like 50 Cent,while the parents wring thier hands over the demise of there disapearing lifestyle, while they all hook up down at the "Golden Corral" all you can eat diner, Wed night features "chicken fried steak and hush puppies".
Meantime the kids are scoring meth and driving around high and killing themselves.

Hey, the rural lifestyle is not all it's cracked up to be many times.
Here's an example of it I got from a West Texas news advertisment.

"Debra Jackson said she likes shopping at the new "Dollar Palace" because it's convenient and casual.
"I don't have to get all dressed up like I'm going to Wal-Mart or something"

the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

dq

Santiago said...

Big Dumb Rocky, better get in touch with your "Defensores" Dewey, Cheetum and Howe, Attorneys.

NYUCK, NYUCK.

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript,
Well vato, admitting you hate is the first step.
It's been obvious all along, although you've TRIED to post like you have some objectivity on the subjects debated. That's where you've gone wrong. It's been obvious that you don't have any objectivity because of your hatred.
Your pots, and how they continually bemoan rednecks, Republicans and the LAPD are funny as hell.
What is so telling about your plain and simple hatred causing you to be myopic is that your posts
are superflous.
What an example?
I'd be happry to provide a few.
Here you go pal.
When did gangs start?
Did prison gangs start to protect
themselves from the redneck white boys?
Do gangsters usually prey on their own race?
How many Democrats have been President since the gangs started...and did they do more than Republicans to stop the problem?
Do you even consider gangs a problem?
You see, it is what it is vato. You can't lay the problems in this city that this blog is intended to discuss off at the doorsteps of Republicans and rednecks without looking like a completely naive pendejo to those of us who know the history of LA gangs, prison, gangs, and the politics of LA.
That's why it's so funny when you go off on your tangents about Republicans and rednecks.
Think I'm wrong vato?
Chale ese, just check out LA in 10 years...when Latinos and Democrats have even more power than we have now and completely run LA.
See if the gang problem is better or worse.
Enough said.

Gava Joe said...

the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

True, but most often it's cheaper.

Gava Joe said...

Dipshit ranted:
"Hate is hate? So be it. Lock me up for hating redneck, white trash nazi racist hillbilly right wing diseased crackers. Fuck them, and anyone, including Gava Joe, who apologizes for them. If it wasn't for those fucking vermin, the Republican party would be dead and we wouldn't get Presidents like Bush. The sooner rednecks eat their fat asses to an early coronary, the better."

That hate will eat you up sure as fatburgers will.. GJ

big betty said...

Paris Hilton is now on vacation in beautiful Maui, Hawaii but Rocky D. is the one feeling the heat.

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Prosecutor says she was pressured by Delgadillo
The deputy city attorney says her boss wanted charges dropped against grocer George Torres in a 2001 case. His office denies her allegation.
By Joe Mozingo, Times Staff Writer
June 30, 2007


A career prosecutor said she was pressured by City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo in 2001 to drop criminal charges against grocery magnate George Torres for illegally demolishing low-income apartments.

Deputy City Atty. Asha Greenberg said Delgadillo called her to say he was "getting a lot of pressure on the case," according to a memo she wrote at the time and placed in an internal case file. Delgadillo told Greenberg that Torres was concerned that a conviction would hurt his chances of getting beer and wine permits for his markets.

Greenberg said she already had received two calls from a member of Delgadillo's executive staff, who suggested that the charges be dropped. She told them that to do so would be inappropriate.

"It was very unusual for Rocky to call me," Greenberg said in an interview this week. "Given the calls that came earlier, I felt pressured."

The city attorney's office, in a written statement, denied that Delgadillo had exerted pressure and said he was simply responding to an "external inquiry" about the case. The case went forward, and the office obtained a conviction.

"The city attorney concurred that the matter was being handled properly and deferred to [her] decision to prosecute Mr. Torres to the fullest extent of the law for his transgressions."

Still, the internal communications shed new light on Torres' reach at City Hall.

Torres owns 11 Numero Uno markets scattered mostly throughout South Los Angeles, but also in Pico-Union, Monterey Park and South El Monte. He was the longtime business partner of Horacio Vignali, who drew national attention in 2001 when it was revealed he had enlisted a host of local law enforcement and elected officials to persuade President Clinton to pardon his cocaine-dealing son.

The U.S. attorney's office this month unsealed an indictment that charged Torres with racketeering in an alleged conspiracy that included murder and exploitation of undocumented workers. Prosecutors outlined an alleged scheme by Torres to bribe Los Angeles area planning council members to obtain beer and wine permits for one of his markets.

One of those indicted along with Torres was Steven Carmona, a former city employee who had worked on Mayor Richard Riordan's economic development team under Delgadillo, then a deputy mayor.

Neither Torres nor Carmona would comment, and neither has yet entered a plea in the federal case. Attorneys for the two said their clients did nothing wrong.

The indictment alleges that Carmona, then a member of Los Angeles' Central Area Planning Commission, received pay and gifts from Torres in exchange for his assistance "in obtaining valuable zoning and conditional use permits" at a market on South Alvarado Street, particularly the beer and wine permits. Torres never got the permits.

The city attorney's 2001 case involved the same market.

According to case documents, Torres wanted to demolish three small apartment buildings next to the store to make way for a parking lot. Bogged down in the demolition permit process, he razed the buildings without a permit and then, against the express orders of the Department of Building and Safety, turned the property into a parking lot without obtaining a conditional use permit or zoning variance, city prosecutors said.

On July 12, 2001, the city attorney's office filed eight misdemeanor counts against Torres. The case was assigned to Deputy City Atty. Reginald Chun.

On Sept. 4, Scott Gluck, then an assistant city attorney who worked in Delgadillo's executive office, called Chun and twice asked if they could make the case a civil matter, according to the internal case file.

"I explained [to Gluck] that Mr. Torres owns at least 10 properties, several in the city, and that he has been accused of performing work without permits on another parcel," Chun wrote, according to a status log in the office's internal case file. "I explained that he also has a criminal record" — for carrying a concealed weapon — "and based on his past conduct and present conduct, I was not confident he would conform to the law."

Chun told Gluck that he had offered to allow Torres to plead guilty to two counts and serve a term of probation.

But Torres' lawyer, Richard Marcus, told Chun his client did not want probation, according to documents in the file. The state Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control does not give permits to applicants on probation.

A week later, Chun received a 9:30 a.m. phone message from Gluck, the status log said. Gluck said that after talking to Ann D'Amato — Delgadillo's chief of staff, who was not an attorney — he was recommending that Torres be given 90 days to comply with building and safety orders and then have the criminal charges dismissed.
Chun referred the calls to Greenberg, who, sources said, received two calls from Gluck, also pushing to drop the criminal case.

About the same time, Terree A. Bowers, a former U.S. attorney and a federal prosecutor for 20 years who was then Delgadillo's chief deputy, saw D'Amato meeting with Torres' representatives, sources in the office said.

Bowers told her that the discussion was inappropriate and instructed her not to talk to the representatives again, sources said. "Terree really read them the riot act for what they were doing," one source said.

During a court session, Torres' attorney told prosecutors that he was only a "bystander" in the case, because he was not being informed of the "negotiations between [the city attorney] executive office and his client," according to the internal case file.

In response to questions from The Times, the city attorney's office said D'Amato, who was Delgadillo's colleague on Riordan's staff, did not recall the meeting with Torres' people.

Delgadillo does not remember meeting Torres, his spokesman said.

"While it is possible the city attorney may have encountered Mr. Torres when he worked for Mayor Riordan, he does not recall such an encounter. Nor does the city attorney recall ever having met or spoken with Mr. Torres," Delgadillo's director of communications, Nick Velasquez, said in an e-mail.

After Bowers spoke to D'Amato, Delgadillo called Greenberg.

"Rocky said that he was getting a lot of pressure about this case," Greenberg wrote in her memo about their conversation. "Rocky said that the defendant was a businessman who established businesses in minority, poor areas where other markets would not. That he was willing to donate buses to churches," she wrote.

Greenberg said she told Delgadillo that Torres "tore down an apartment building and changed it into a parking lot," something she said "would not sit well with housing advocates who wanted to ensure that there was adequate housing in the city."

Greenberg, in the memo, said she told Delgadillo that "we had ethical constraints, and that we had to treat all defendants equally."

"Rocky said that the defendant was concerned that sometime in the future if he wanted to get an [alcoholic beverage] license he would not be able to."

Greenberg told Delgadillo that Torres "should not worry about a ticky-tack violation of the Muni code, he should worry about" more serious violations.

A background check had turned up an old criminal conviction against Torres for carrying a concealed weapon as well as his illegal possession of two driver's licenses, one in the name of Jaime Ernesto Garcia, the internal case file shows.

"Rocky asked whether we had to disclose that to [the state Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control]," Greenberg wrote. She added that she told him "we would if we were asked."

Greenberg said in an interview that, given the earlier calls from Delgadillo's staff, she thought it was clear Delgadillo wanted her to drop criminal charges.

"Getting a call from the city attorney like that with everything that happened before was intimidating," she said during a conference call with The Times and Velasquez. The press deputy said that under office policy, he had to be present for the interview.

Torres ultimately entered into an agreement with prosecutors to plead guilty to one misdemeanor count and serve 12 months on probation, plus fines and fees.

As part of the plea bargain, the city attorney's office agreed to write a letter to the Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control explaining the case: "The city attorney's office agrees it will indicate in this letter that defendant has applied for a conditional use permit and has agreed to take steps to ensure compliance with any such permit, and that the purpose of the probation in this case is to ensure such compliance."

Anonymous said...

"O.C

What did you expect a welcome sign?
If your gonna represent so proudly you just might catch some shit for it , your in Northern Cali now.And it sounds like you better hook up with some South Siders real quick.It sounds like the only Nortenos you've had expirience with in the past are some tweakers in the Salinas valley , not all Nortenos are a bunch of sorry tweakers and lops.Just look at the pinta it's full of real mother fuckers.You want to test the waters you might get bit by a Shark!"

Nor Cal,
I see your point and like the "Shark" reference. But, a guy can't wear a Dodgers shirt in SJ? What the fuck is that all about? I'm not all gangstered out while doing it. I dress the way I have all my life, TShirts and shorts. I see guys around here wearing teams other then SF all the time.
The people next to me are a bunch of fucking wannabe's mayates anyways and real mayates, the Mexicans act like them as well so they aren't real Norteno's.

Yea the Norteno's I've met are tweakers but some of them have done their time on the yards, you know as well as I do that meth is every where.

OC/SJ HALF BREED!

echo park resident said...

don quixote said...
A previous post exclaims;

I don't know, but I'll take the city life any day, I've spent lots of time over the years working and practically living in many rural, semi rural areas, and even though I enjoy the solitude, quiet, clean air there are some real drawbacks too.

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I also love living in Los Angeles, I love seeing the young cholos from the Diamond street gang selling drugs on the corner of Temple St. and Bixel St. It is just wonderful to see what new placas/graffiti the young cholos will spray on the freshly covered graffiti from last week. I am so glad the cholos keep the city employees employed by diligently painting on every available retaining wall and apartment building. Sometimes they will even spray paint the street and sidewalks, I love driving over the expressionistic artwork of our young cholos.

I love to see the homeless sleeping on the streets and wondering is he just sleeping or is he dead?

At night I love to watch the lights of the downtown L.A. skyscrapers as I hear the sound of gun shots ringing in air. And when I wake up in the morning I go outside to see what new mattress has been left on the street corner or sometimes I here about a fallen young cholo in the alley.

Sometimes I see the cholos on the way to school at Belmont High ready to recruit the next generation of young cholos. We are proud to have the lowest test scores for all of California from our young mexicans, we don’t need to learn the gavacho’s math, science, sociology, history or any of their evil customs. We need to learn about our Aztlán culture to really get ahead in life. I read about our Aztlán history in the pinta, that is where I got a really good education.

I love L.A.

Anonymous said...

I've been telling you vatos that the biggest crooks in LA are on your ten o'clock news every other night. If they did a serious investigation going back several years, the majority of these Mexican and latino politicians would be serving some serious down time. The same goes for Blacks....politicians representing low income and typicaly uneducated communities get away with murder.
:)

Anonymous said...

Yeh, Gava Joe has really broken away from the L.A. mentality, especially with his use of the word "tinto" in every other sentence.

If these are "free thinkers" here at inthehat, show me to the sheep...they can't be much worse.

names have been changed to protect the innocent said...

city monikers explained
Carson (1968)

This area was part of Rancho San Pedro, one of the few Spanish land grants to remain in the same family for generations. To this day, the Dominguez family has extensive landholdings in the area.

The community was named for George Henry Carson, who married one of Don Manuel Dominguez's six daughters and managed the rancho after his father-in-law's death.

The name Carson is said to have won out over Dominguez and the imaginative Carsolinguez simply because it was easier to spell.





Cerritos (1956)

This was part of former soldier Jose Manuel Nieto's vast Spanish land grant called Rancho los Nietos. When the rancho was divided among heirs, Juan Jose Nieto retained the largest share, called Rancho los Coyotes. He called an area within the rancho Sierritos or "little hills."

It incorporated as the city of Dairy Valley in 1956, referring to more than 400 dairies in the area. In 1967, it rechristened itself Cerritos.



Claremont (1907)

The community was created by the Santa Fe Railroad in 1887 and named for Claremont, N.H., to honor the birthplace of a corporate director of the Pacific Land and Improvement Co., a subsidiary of the railroad.

The next year, when a real estate boom went bust, the land company transferred the only hotel in town — vacant, of course — along with the vacant lots to Pomona College.

The college founders were professors and ministers who missed the lush New England landscape. They set about planting trees and naming streets Yale, Harvard, Dartmouth, Columbia and Amherst.





Commerce (1960)

In the 19th century, the area was known as Rancho San Antonio. It was owned by Don Antonio Maria Lugo, mayor of Los Angeles between 1815 and 1820.

Its conversion to an industrial area began in 1887, when the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railway built its main line through the area.



The ranch remained intact until Arcadia Bandini de Baker, a descendant of Lugo and reputedly once the wealthiest woman in Los Angeles, sold some of it around the turn of the 20th century.

By the 1920s, factories had arrived. In the late 1940s, industrial leaders banded together with residents in the communities of Bandini and Rosewood and part of Bell Gardens to encourage commerce. They changed the name to match that goal.





Compton (1888)

Pioneers Francis P.F. Temple and Fielding W. Gibson purchased land at a sheriff's sale in 1866 for 36 cents an acre and called the tract Gibsonville. In 1868, they flipped it for a whopping $5 an acre to two leaders of a wagon train of Methodist settlers from Stockton: farmer William Morton and temperance minister Griffith Dickenson Compton.

The settlers briefly called it Comptonville, but when the post office opened the next year, its name was shortened to Compton. There was already a Comptonville, in Yuba County.





Covina (1901)

When Joseph Swift Phillips subdivided 2,000 acres of farmland in 1884, he hired Fred Eaton to survey his land. One of them noticed abandoned grapevines and devised the name Covina from "cove of vines." Others say the name is similar to a word in the language of the Gabrielino Indians. But oranges and grapefruit, not vineyards, made the town prosperous.



Cudahy (1960)

In 1902, Irish immigrant and meatpacking baron Michael Cudahy bought a winter home in Pasadena and opened a meatpacking plant in Los Angeles. The plant, near Macy Street and the Los Angeles River, burned down two years later.

In 1908, he sold his share of the Armour-Cudahy meatpacking plant in Omaha and bought a 2,800-acre ranch south of downtown Los Angeles. He called it the Cudahy Ranch Co. After his death in 1910, the ranch was subdivided into one-acre farms that eventually became today's city.





Culver City (1917)

Real estate developer and promoter Harry Hazel Culver announced plans in 1913 to develop a town specifically for filmmakers near Ballona Creek. Local voters — all 59 of them — rejected annexation to Los Angeles in 1914.

Culver bought up land and laid out the town named for him. He trolled for prospective home buyers with buses that advertised "Free Lunch — Culver City," and gave a residential lot to the winner of a "prettiest baby contest."

By the 1930s, the city boasted three major film studios, including MGM, and was called the Heart of Screenland. Sony has since replaced MGM. At one time or another, Hal Roach Studios, Pathe, Lorimar and Desilu all operated there.



Diamond Bar (1989)
The city's bejeweled name derives from the Diamond Bar Ranch and its cattle brand, a diamond and bar.

Nestled in the meandering hills and valleys of Brea Canyon near Pomona, the ranch was started in 1918 by Frederick E. Lewis, who owned part of Rancho los Nogales (Ranch of the Walnut Trees).

It remained pristine until Transamerica Corp. purchased it in 1956. Development soon followed.



Downey (1956)

John Gately Downey, an Irish immigrant and governor of California from 1860 to 1862, founded this city.

He also helped start the first bank in Los Angeles and donated land for a university that became USC.

In 1859, Downey and a partner, James McFarland, bought the 17,600-acre Santa Gertrudes Ranch, which was later subdivided. In 1873, a 16-block portion became the center of the community. Ten acres was reserved for a railroad station.



Duarte (1957)

While patrolling the San Gabriel Mission property, Andres Avelino Duarte, a Mexican army corporal, frequently stopped to water his horse at the San Gabriel River. In 1841, he was granted nearly 7,000 acres by then-Mexican Gov. Juan B. Alvarado and named it Rancho Azusa de Duarte. Not long afterward, most of the rancho was divided into 40-acre plots and sold to help settle Duarte's debts.

Today, across from City Hall, a bronze statue of Duarte astride a horse pays tribute to him.





El Monte (1912)

Capt. J.A. Johnson, a native of Lexington, Ky., led a wagon train of about 40 families to the end of the Santa Fe trail in 1851. He named the town they founded there Lexington. Trail-hardened Southerners settled in this lush valley fed by the Rio Hondo and built a rough-and-tumble community that became a hotbed for secessionists.

Earlier residents had called the undeveloped swampland the monte, meaning wooded spot. That name reemerged and took hold after the Civil War.





El Segundo (1917)

Before incorporation, this area was part of Rancho Sausal Redondo (Ranch of the Round Clump of Willows), where cattle grazed on wheat and barley fields. It acquired its current name in 1911 because it was the site of Standard Oil Co.'s second oil refinery. The company's first refinery, in Richmond, Calif., had been christened "El Primero."

santa monica sally said...

Yes many bloggers get victimized by the community. One of the saddest things I have seen Wally is when Anonymouse, who most likely was beat up in middle school throw's his bitterness around at people’s opinions.

Anonymous said...

SV VBS/:),

Gracias for the 411 on those two Varrios. Very interesting. With Respects- Jose619

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript said....
And, where did I say that "hate" was bad? I have no problem with hate, as long as you're hating something that's bad, like rednecks.
################################
And there it is there. You see. the racist believes in his heart of hearts that what he hates is bad. Ask Don Quixote, or better yet, go back in the archives and he will explain his hatred for the "low down mayates", "chanates"
"june bugs" etc. very eloquently for you. In his mind he has a good reason for hating them...just like in your mind you have a good reason for hating rednecks.
Think about the irony of this statement:
"I hate them because they hate".
If you need or want to hate then so be it. But you have taken many others to task and are VERY quick to point out how others are racist...which is nothing more hating. Quite shocking to me to aomeone who has TRIED to come off on this blog as enlightened, progressive and educated.
Welcome to the ranks of the rednecks you hate.
Different hate. Same type of person.
Talk shit all you want. It is what it is.

k burro team said...

Now that the last lousy season of The Sopranos is finally over. We can enjoy the Entourage show on HBO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5-GunQ8ssI

Anonymous said...

Check this one out, if George Torres kicked down the MaYor some serious under the table bait money, free merchandise, rotten produce goods, a couple of tequila bottles, and other goodies to this idiot Napoleon half ass Lompa Lompa Willy Wonka looking Mayor V-iagra - mr. home-breaker and to his LA political knee pad cronies like Hippo pitbull face comadre Molina and her taxpayers thieving husband Ron Martinez (that also has been seen lurking behind closed doors, banging younger and skinnier chicks), for return favors from certain LA Mexican/American political figures and requesting Rocky D to step in and abolish criminal filings or turn a blind eye to his illegal activities......ie...Murder, Drug Distribution, extortion, tax invasion, carry a concealed gun 24/7....the list goes up to 59.
Shouldn't these LA politicians be detained pending an investigation and their personal relationships to this out of control criminal? How about a polygraph commpliants of the FBI......last time I looked they are government representives...que no?
WOW
Now that I think about it, it all makes sense.......Now I know where Mike Hernandez, Ron Martinez, and the Mayor all got their weekend party cocaine connection. I just want to know whether they got the snort for free and whether they disclosed it and reported it as a political donation?
:)

don quixote said...

OC Halfbreed, the bay area's one sided hate for all things LA and So Cal is an old and strange phenom.
It seems that around the Bay area especially, but all over N Califas one of the most time consuming activities the people there partake in is "talking shit about So Cal and especially LA.
I don't know the history of this manic behavoir but it goes back quite a long ways.
And the strange thing is that down south the people could care less about this Northern conceived rivalry. Most people in the Sur like it up north and the only time they are aware of this strange one sided manic thought process is when someone from up north goes off on a rant about how fucked up the southland is?
One time years ago I was visiting my brother in the Santa Cruz area and the LAkers were playing San ANtonio in the western playoffs, besides my brother and me all the other nortenos were rooting for SA to beat the LAKers!
I asked them why they would support a Texas team against a California team and they said that LA wasn't a Calif team but LA only.
I laughed in these dudes face and told them the truth about where the money, sports, people, culture was, and how LA and the Southland was the area most people around the world identified as Califas.

They got all pissed off and didn't say much except cheer louder for San ANtonio.
Mutherfuckers almost had nervous breakdowns though cause that was the game when Derrick FIsher hit that 3 pointer with under a second left to beat San Antonio.
Pussy ass baby's got up and left my brothers house without saying a word, and there was total silence from them, except for my carnal and I laughing and giving each other flying high fives you might as well have been at a funeral.

ANother thing that used to crack me up was the northerners always referring to Frisco as "The City" like it was the center of the universe or something. I used to ask "what city?" and they would look at me like some unwashed heathen.
SF used to be a great city and I spent a lot of time there in the late 60's and early 70's. Caught Cal Tjader and Hugh Masakella and Lee Morgan at the old clubs in North Beach, "The Blackhawk, El CId, ect", greatest Italian Food in the world! (Maybe NY?)
But in the last 20 years or so SF has changed into some rich Yuppie ass gentrified caricature of it's former self. Theres no more working class neighborhoods, (except maybe the Mission District where my nephew and his wife live. They paid almost a million bucks for one floor of a three story Victorian)
and the little left is almost gone
.
All the non rich, snobby ass SF people couldn't afford to live there anymore and now live in the east bay communities of Freemont, Richmond,or even Sacramento, and south into San Jo.
WHat a fucking cruel fate cause they might as well be living in track home suburban communties like OC or the IE or the "God forbid" SFV!
So don't let them give you carria OC Halfbreed cause the Dodgers are kicking the Giants ass anyways, (don't say shit Jose 619!) and your LA Angels got the best record in baseball.

PS, GJ your right on about the grass being cheaper, check out Mexico on the Internet especially the beautiful old colonial, University city of Merida which is also modern and has an international airport and a superhighway straight to Cancun (100 miles) absolutely beautiful city where you can buy a 3 or 4 bedroom newer home with pool and gardens in the affluent part of the city for 50 to a 100 grand.
just a dream?
dq

Anonymous said...

Ese Smiley it's not just the RAZA and black politicians that run around like that. Whites do the same shit. Or did you forget about my varrios mayor/councilwoman client and her politically connected boyfriend? Those two lovebirds love to sing. I'm sure that they let you and your crew know about all of their other Burbank and Glendale political friends que~no? But what does it matter how corrupt any of these people are? When they get caught they are only given probation and some community service, or maybe some laughable jail time.

ALRATO
SV VBS

Anonymous said...

echo park resident said...
Sometimes I see the cholos on the way to school at Belmont High ready to recruit the next generation of young cholos. We are proud to have the lowest test scores for all of California from our young mexicans, we don’t need to learn the gavacho’s math, science, sociology, history or any of their evil customs. We need to learn about our Aztlán culture to really get ahead in life. I read about our Aztlán history in the pinta, that is where I got a really good education.

C'mon man. It isn't all bad. Our public K-12 school system is pretty good here in LA. We've only dropped from the top 10 in the nation to 47th. We're still ahead of three states. Besides, the system is racist and set up for the rednecks to score well on the test. Just ask Don Quixote or StillNoScript and they'll be happy to explain it to you. You've got to get on the bandwagon. If you don't believe the system is set up for the rednecks, just google "California school district ratings" and check it out. You'll see it there for yourself. The districts with all those ignorant rednecks and "hicks in the sticks" kick ass. Obviously these inbred toothless fucks can't have smart kids. StillNoScript will swear to it, and Don Quixote will back him up.
It's a conspiracy to keep the black man and the raza down.
I can't explain why the racist gavachos haven't been able to keep the predominantly asian school districts from scoring very high...it must be that the racist gavacho's aren't racist against that particular minority, just blacks and latinos.
Any ideas on why that is?
Our schools here in LA are top notch.
Don't believe what you read in the papers, see on TV, hear on the radio, or any other bullshit coming from anybody other than the mayor and the LA Unified officials.
They're the only ones telling the truth. LA Unified is just fine.
Viva LA Unified.

Anonymous said...

Hey Gava Joe,
Just check out where the Kansas public school system ranks in comparison to Califas'.
If you have school aged kids, you really fucked up by moving to Kansas. They are only going to learn how to read, write, do arithmetic, history and science.
But they will miss out on the most important thing, which is cultural enlightenment.
Fuck the "3 R's", that shit isn't important anymore. What's important is that we teach our kids self-esteem and cultural diversity.
That's the shit you need for a well filled out job application.

You dumb toothless redneck asshole.
It's just like one of you to put your kids at a disadvantage by moving to Kansas.

Anonymous said...

What I love about LA is the top notch medical care you are given if you enter an emergency room.
MLK and County USC are the place to be if you're in medical distress.

Anonymous said...

What I love about LA is the clean air and the lack of traffic congestion.
I mean hey, in the middle of the day I can just put the top down on my convertible, take a deep breath of that fresh air, and zip the 15 miles from LA to the beach in an hour and a half.
You just can't beat this place.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
What I love about LA is the top notch medical care you are given if you enter an emergency room.
MLK and County USC are the place to be if you're in medical distress.

Thats funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

What I like about LA is the affordable housing being in close proximity to where the work is. I mean, most of the people who work in LA don't have to spend 4 hours on the freeway everyday driving from Rancho Cucamonga, Palmdale, or Fontana, or any other of the outlying areas where the expensive housing is.

Anonymous said...

What StillNoScript loves about LA is their top notch police department.

jethro said...

Anonymouse said ....
What I love about LA is the clean air and the lack of traffic congestion. I mean hey, in the middle of the day I can just put the top down on my convertible, take a deep breath of that fresh air, and zip the 15 miles from LA to the beach in an hour and a half.
You just can't beat this place.

****************************

Don't forget about the thrill of being shot at during a road rage incident. Or just being shot at by a gang-banger because he thinks you looked at him to hard.


http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_167121935.html

Anonymous said...

What I love about LA is the very average intelligence of the mayor.
So fucking what if he flunked the BAR four times. That don't mean shit. We need an average Joe as the mayor of America's second largest city. Furthermore, good for him that he has the persistence
to try to take control of the LA Unified School District.

pobre pedro palomares said...

Schools call roll at a border crossing
Students routinely walk from homes in Mexico to attend public institutions in the U.S. In Arizona, one district has chosen not to ignore the violation.
By Nicholas Riccardi, Times Staff Writer
June 25, 2007

San Luis, Ariz. — ROBERT Villarreal, standing at his post behind the customs officers at the border crossing station, knew he was being watched. A slim teenage boy wearing a green T-shirt was furtively peering at him from behind a pillar on the Mexican side.

"I know who it is before he even comes in," Villarreal said, ducking into an alcove.

Minutes later, perhaps thinking Villarreal had left, the boy and another teen breezed through customs. Villarreal sprang out of hiding and called the teens by name. "If you hide like that," he said, "you're just going to make things worse." Villarreal is not a border agent. He is a school attendance officer whose assignment is to catch students who live in Mexico but attend public school in the U.S.

Children who are U.S. citizens or legal immigrants but live in Mexico cross every morning to get a better education for free in Arizona, breaking the law that requires them to live within the boundaries of the district. To many of their parents, who have ties in both countries, not living in the district is the educational equivalent of jaywalking.

"I pay taxes. I work over here," said a 31-year-old corrections officer who would not give his name as he walked his son from Mexico to elementary school in San Luis. "What's the difference?"

There are no hard statistics on the number of children who break the residency requirement, but some people opposed to U.S. immigration policy have seized on the issue as another example of how they say migrants exploit the U.S. They contend that most school districts do not enforce the law because they risk losing state funding, which is based on the number of enrolled students.

"The whole thing's outrageous. We're not the school district for northern Mexico," said state Rep. Russell K. Pearce.

Two years ago, the state superintendent, fed up with the practice, hired a private investigator to videotape schoolchildren coming from Mexico. At an Arizona border town with a population of 65, a school bus regularly picked up 85 students at the crossing.

Amid the resulting publicity, that school district stopped the pickups, but it's unclear whether any other districts changed their policies.

In nearby Calexico, Calif., taxpayers' complaints about building schools within walking distance of Mexico led the local district last year to hire someone to watch border crossings and check student addresses.

But in Arizona, no district appears to have taken as aggressive a stance as Yuma Union High School District, which serves San Luis. In the early 1990s, it hired a full-time attendance officer to verify residency for students at its six schools.

Part truant officer, part detective, Villarreal spends his mornings noting names of high school students arriving from Mexico and listening to explanations for why they crossed: They were visiting a sick relative. They were staying with a friend. Their parents divorced and one lives in Mexico, the other in the U.S.

He lets the children, including the teens he spotted hiding from him, continue to school, then checks their stories.

A soft-spoken man with a full face and the hint of a mustache, Villarreal, 37, is a San Luis native and the son of Mexican immigrant farmworkers. But he has little sympathy for parents who avoid paying the property taxes that support the district by living in Mexico, where the cost of living is lower and houses sell for about $30,000, compared with the median price of $179,000 in San Luis.

"They want the American services," he said, "but they don't want to be part of the American system."

SAN Luis, 20 miles south of Yuma, lies in Arizona's far southwestern corner, bordered by Mexico to the south and west. For decades it was a sleepy agricultural town where workers in the surrounding lettuce and broccoli fields entered from Mexico and occasionally settled down in mobile homes or modest stucco houses.

Cesar Chavez was born in this region and sometimes returned to San Luis to support strikes by local agricultural workers. He died in a crumbling apartment complex here with a dirt courtyard a stone's throw from the border.

In the 1990s, the population began to boom, as migrants from other parts of the U.S. were lured by cheap real estate and persistent sunshine. Illegal immigrants from Mexico began dashing across the border, bringing an influx of border patrol and National Guard posts to town. Now, with 15,000 people and growing, the town is spilling into the desert. New subdivisions abut farmland that exudes the bracing odor of fresh cabbage.

Villarreal keeps a rolled-up map of the town in the trunk of his district-issued white Ford Escort. After scanning it one recent evening, he cut through a subdivision onto a modest residential street.

"OK," Villarreal said, "we're looking for Manuel and Blanca Carranza."

An hour earlier, Villarreal had spotted their 16-year-old son walking after school on Main Street, past the bargain clothing stores and toward the crossing. Where are you going? Villarreal asked. Home, the student answered.

Months earlier the family had been added to Villarreal's list after he spotted the son walking across the border. Villarreal had been unable to find the parents' home on prior visits to the U.S. address the school had on file.

The boy's offhand remark on his way to Mexico wasn't enough to take official action — Villarreal had to find his parents. He drove to a rundown, single-story, white clapboard house. Children's clothes dangled from a clothesline stretched along the rutted driveway, and cardboard covered a cracked front window. He knocked on the door three times before a male voice answered.

Villarreal asked for the Carranzas. They're not in, the voice said. When are they coming back? "Later." After 8 p.m.? "Later."

Shaking his head, Villarreal returned to his car. "This is the same person I've talked to before and the same answer," he said. (The district later sent a letter to expel the teenager; families have the right to appeal.)

San Luis is a small town, and Villarreal has run into uncomfortable situations. Once, an elected official — whom Villarreal wouldn't identify — covered for a parent from behind a closed door. Other times, employees at nearby school districts were involved in deceptions.

Villarreal tries to keep a low profile because, between early-morning patrols and evening door-knocks, he's a teacher's assistant at a middle school in another local district. Mindful of how some in town may view his work, he asks his family not to discuss his attendance officer job with anyone.

The Yuma Union High School District was forced to confront the residency issue after a bond measure to build a high school in San Luis was rejected in 1992. Voters believed the school would serve mostly students who lived in Mexico. The district decided it needed to prove to voters that its students were attending legally, and created the position of attendance officer.

Villarreal is the second person to hold the job. When he started eight years ago, he intercepted hundreds of high school students entering every day from Mexico. Parents were accustomed to sending their children to U.S. schools without a hassle. Now word is out that the six Yuma Union high schools check residency, and the numbers crossing have dropped significantly.

In contrast, about 100 younger children were seen one recent day coming from Mexico to attend elementary and middle schools. Villarreal does not check on these students. Some were going to Catholic schools that can educate students from any locale, but dozens were headed to the eight elementary and middle schools run by the Gadsden Elementary School District. That district does not patrol the border. Instead, it requests utility bills to prove residency and sends staffers to check if a student's parents don't return calls on routine school issues such as repeated absences, said spokeswoman Rosy Ballesteros.

Villarreal prides himself on knowing the names and histories of the high school students who cross; most attend the high school in San Luis.

"This kid is OK; his legal guardian lives here," Villarreal said as one boy trudged past him. "That girl's up for withdrawal," he said, nodding at one who passed a moment later.

He stopped another girl, who showed her U.S. passport and said she'd spent the night with an aunt in Mexico while her father, who lives in San Luis, worked late. Villarreal made a note and let her pass. He'd already seen the father at a house in San Luis but would check again. "You never know," he said.



VILLARREAL usually gathers several dozen cases after a few days of patrolling. He typically finds about 150 students each year who should be withdrawn, out of a district of 10,000. He and his boss, Assistant Supt. Gerrick Monroe, advise those students' parents to either move across the border or make a U.S. resident the legal guardian for the child. Most make the adjustment.

The district allows parents who live outside its boundaries to pay $5,300 annually for their children to stay in school, but only eight families do so.

Villarreal's investigation of the two teens who tried to dodge him at the border forced one of them to pay tuition to continue in school; the other withdrew.

By enforcing the law, Monroe said, the district loses money — it receives $5,000 in state funds for every pupil enrolled. He said he understood why parents thought they could send their children to U.S. schools. "To people who live along the international border, it's similar to a county line," he said. "People don't think much about [crossing] it." Certainly not Carla Molina, who walked her two children, 11 and 8, to school in San Luis one recent morning.

"We're planning to move back here anyway," Molina said. She lived in San Luis years ago, and her children, born in Yuma, are U.S. citizens. She wants them to learn English. "It's important they learn it when they're young," Molina said.

Villarreal said it was also important to follow the law. The people who pay U.S. rents and taxes, he said, are the ones who deserve the benefits of the school system.

A couple of nights earlier, he had knocked on the door of the address one student crossing from Mexico had given him. The child's mother, Marta Andrade, answered, confirmed her residency and told Villarreal she was glad he had checked.

"I like that you do this," she told him. Andrade, 47, described how she rose at 3 a.m. to take the two-hour trip to a remote field, where she worked all day to pay rent and ensure a legal education for her 16-year-old daughter. It would have been easier to stay in Mexico, work less and cheat, but Andrade only has contempt for people who do that. "Coming here is a sacrifice," she said. "They should have to do what I do."

Anonymous said...

DQ,
Yes indeed that hate No. Cal has for LA area is weird. And of course it's all considered LA weather it's the OC or IE. I don't know about San Diego, it might be LA as well. Funny I always thought NY was the "city" but yes people up here refer to it as the "city". As you stated I never once heard people in So Cal say fuck SF unless talking about the Giants. I know SNS will come in and tell us we're wrong but people up here really do hate So. Cal and funny thing is they really don't know shit about and love to go on vaction down there.

San Jose itself is a lot like OC, lots of housing tracks etc. although it's a lot cleaner and more conservative culturally. Yea I know people like smiley and others will think I'm crazy. I'm not talking politics conservative but life style. A lot of the areas are more like South Orange County, very nice. There's some varrio areas of course and what not but those aren't nothing like L.A. As Mr. San Jo has said in the past it's a nice place.

I put my RAIDERS stickers right next to my Dodgers so maybe that confuses them (gotta find my Lakers one next). Although I noticed a large portion of Noretno gangsters I've seen wear 49ers shit and besides the Giants that's the next worst thing.

Lastly who let Rush Limbagh in here?

OC/SJ Half Breed

Anonymous said...

DQ,

Excellent post. I'll refrain from the pom-poms till my PADRES acutally get out of the first round (let alone my Chargers as well). All is beautiful in the Southland, thank the good lord. Alrato y respeto. -Jose619

***Fighting online is like racing in the Special Olympics;
Even if you win, you're still retarded.***

EXPLORER SCOUT said...

Anonymous said...
What I love about LA is the clean air and the lack of traffic congestion.
I mean hey, in the middle of the day I can just put the top down on my convertible, take a deep breath of that fresh air, and zip the 15 miles from LA to the beach in an hour and a half.
You just can't beat this place.



JUST IMAGINE IF YOU WORK MOTORS FOR LAPD? OR WORSE IN A STUFFY SQUAD CAR, TWELEVE HOUR SHITS...AND THEN THEY HAVE TO DRIVE HOME ANOTHER 30 OR MORE MILES ON THESE MAGNIFICENT FREEWAYS YOU'VE DESCRIBED? YEA, YOU ARE DEFINITELY PHI CHI PSI MATERIAL, IF YOU CATCH MY DRIFT HOMIE.

Anonymous said...

Hey all you cop lovers and pull your self up by the boot strap types what'd you think of Bush saving ol' Scooter from the pokey? I'm sure it was the correct thing to do right? You wonder why DQ and SNS say there is no justice in minority communities!! Yea I think people should take some responsibilties for themselves but this is just another fine example of having money or friends in the right places.

Personally I think stuff like this what all you guys are yelling at eachother about is more about CLASS WAR then even race.

OC/SJ HALF BREED!

PS. I miss that smog and traffic while on my way to the beach to see all the good looking women of So. Cal at the sandy beaches with the great weather, ha ha!

explorer scout said...

Anonymous said...
What I love about LA is the top notch medical care you are given if you enter an emergency room.
MLK and County USC are the place to be if you're in medical distress.

_Actually_ White Memorial Hospital, a Seventh-day Adventist hospital in Boyle heights, ELA is where you would want to be, asshole.

explorer scout said...

LAPD may cancel program over Boy Scouts’ gay ban
The Associated Press


ANGELES — The Los Angeles Police Commission called on the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday to drop its ban on gays, indicating it may fold the Police Department’s Explorer Scout program if it doesn’t.
The organization was asked to take up the issue at its national governing board meeting in February. If the commission isn’t satisfied with the outcome, commissioners said they would consider replacing the Explorer Scout program with something else.

“It is regrettable that the Boy Scouts of America, which had been such a significant, positive force in our society, has chosen recently to take such discriminatory positions toward gays and lesbians,” Commissioner Dean Hansell, a former Eagle Scout, wrote in his motion calling for the Scouts to reconsider.

Police Chief Bernard Parks also expressed concern, saying, “We have officers who are openly gay on the department,” who could not serve as Scout leaders.

But another former Scout, Commissioner Bert Boeckmann, defended the organization, saying “it embraces everything we want in young people.”

The Explorer program, which serves mainly minority youths between 14 and 21, operates in 18 Los Angeles police stations.

Scouting officials pointed out that it is administered by a separate organization called Learning for Life, which has no policy against gays. But they also acknowledged that Learning for Life is closely affiliated with the Boy Scouts of America and some of the people who run the organization are also Scouting employees.

Several school districts and cities around the country have prohibited Scout troops from meeting in their facilities since the Supreme Court upheld the organization’s ban in June. Some police departments, including San Diego’s, have severed their ties with the Explorer program.


The City Council has asked all the city’s departments to review their affiliations with the Scouts, and the city attorney’s office has said anti-discrimination laws could invalidate any contracts the Scouts have with those departments.

Anonymous said...

Flash! One of the original cast of the Sopranos Beverley Sills died today..

Anonymous said...

Don't believe OC Half Breed. Can't you guys see what he's doing?

Every week he's got a new story about Nortenos.

"I saw this Norteno call a paisa a wetback".

"I saw these Nortenos calling each other "nigga""

"These Nortenos tagged my lawn, right in front of my kids, because my kid had a Dodger hat on..."

Jesus Christ, does OC Half Breed really run into Nortenos this often, or is somebody trying to stir up the pot?

Anonymous said...

What I love about LA is the easy availability of parking spaces at reasonable prices in the downtown area.

Anonymous said...

"Hate is hate? So be it. Lock me up for hating redneck, white trash nazi racist hillbilly right wing diseased crackers. Fuck them, and anyone, including Gava Joe, who apologizes for them. If it wasn't for those fucking vermin, the Republican party would be dead and we wouldn't get Presidents like Bush. The sooner rednecks eat their fat asses to an early coronary, the better."

So how's the blood pressure pal? Go find an "I hate Republicans and Bush" blog. Everything you talk about eventually comes back to your hatred of them. It's going to be much better when the Democrats are in control, especially here in California. Take a quualude and relax. You're going to implode.
I'm sure you can find like minded people at a blog that focuses on that hate. This one is about the gangs,LA, and the politics in LA. Find an LA politician that you hate and bitch about them. That would be a more appropriate topic. The gangs and problems that are here have been hear before Bush and the Republicans, and they'll be here long after they are dead and gone. To continually go back to that argument is inane, and it makes you look idiotic.
Try, as hard as it might be, to bring something tangible to the blog. Then you might be taken seriously.

moving to the redneck hood said...

1) don quixote foolishly said...

I don't know, but I'll take the city life any day, I've spent lots of time over the years working and practically living in many rural, semi rural areas, and even though I enjoy the solitude, quiet, clean air there are some real drawbacks too.


2) echo park resident replies ....

I also love living in Los Angeles, I love seeing the young cholos from the Diamond street gang selling drugs on the corner of Temple St. and Bixel St. It is just wonderful to see what new placas/graffiti the young cholos will spray on the freshly covered graffiti from last week.

3) Anonymous replies ...

C'mon man. It isn't all bad. Our public K-12 school system is pretty good here in LA. We've only dropped from the top 10 in the nation to 47th. We're still ahead of three states. Besides, the system is racist and set up for the rednecks to score well on the test. Just ask Don Quixote or StillNoScript and they'll be happy to explain it to you.

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I just read this in today's Los Angeles Times, and I wonder how often this happens in Kansas, in Gava Joe's "redneck" neighborhood.


4 homicides in 7 hours in Long Beach
By Tiffany Hsu, Times Staff Writer
July 3, 2007


A man was fatally shot in Long Beach early Monday in what police said was the fourth homicide in the city in less than 24 hours.

The victim was shot about 4 a.m. near the area of 19th Street and Easy Avenue, said Sgt. Dina Zapalski. No other details about the shooting were available.

Overnight, three other men were killed in Long Beach in what appeared to be unrelated incidents, Zapalski said.

At 10:45 p.m. Sunday, police responded to reports of an altercation among several individuals in an alley in the 1100 block of East 17th Street and found a 23-year-old man with several stab wounds to the upper torso.

The man was taken to a hospital, where he died, Zapalski said.

At 9:40 p.m., Long Beach resident Cesar Rolando Moran was fatally shot at a bar in the 400 block of West Willow Street, Zapalski said. Moran, 24, was pronounced dead at the scene, Zapalski said.

Police are searching for a suspect, believed to be in his mid-20s, who fled the scene in a gray or silver pickup truck, police said.

At about 9:30 p.m., Long Beach resident Arelio Perez, 21, was shot in the 1500 block of Pine Avenue, Zapalski said. Perez was pronounced dead at the scene from a gunshot wound to the torso, she said.

There have been 24 homicides in Long Beach this year, Zapalski said.

don quixote said...

I guess we now can't deny the fact that we in the USA do not live in a democracy anymore as evidenced by the latest slap in the face, by our King of facism Svengali CHeney and his "minion's" Carl Rove, GEorge Bush, Scooter Libby,Gonzo, and the rest of the royal family.
Justice is blind huh? Well it's not a surprise, Scooter's "pass" was one for the homie, but it's still shocking due to the blatancy and the "in your face" reaction by the boy King.
No clean up except for numbnuts Baby Bush claiming the sentence was excessive.
Excessive? REmeber when Bush was Gov. of Texas and he was executing people by the dozens, never gave any a quebrada.

Our Fuhrer, GW Bush,
" Send those chavalo's off to Iraq and keep them there for 3 or 4 tours! Excessive? fuck no, they're just "ordinary assholes" if they get killed we can replace them, if they get wounded and fucked up for life well tough shit, send them to the Veterans Hospital and treat em like dog's. There's big money to be made there!
Katrina victims in Louisana? Fuck em it's just like Mom (Barbara) says, most of them are poor black and white trash who are on welfare anyway so they're used to living hand to mouth. But there's big money to made in rebuilding that shitty swamp!
The rest of the rabble we got in the country, fuck them too! If they get busted for having illegal drugs, which most eventually do, we send there ass's to the joints for years and years. Excessive? fuck no there just regular assholes and they're serving a purpose, and we need more prisons built so call Billy Bob who's in charge of the Prison Industrial Complex, theres lot's of money in that shit, and hurry cause the latest figures show the USA has more people incarcerated than any country on earth, we need more money! opps, I mean prisons!"

And all the right wing nuts like the anony-mouses can say is "hey let's not talk about it!
Wallys blog is about gangs, crime and politics, not about Bush/Cheney,!
Oh yeah! lets get real!
"gangs,cops,crime and politics"
Sounds like a fit to me.

Impeachment and RICO charges on the totalitarian regime of Bush! de volada, and if the chickenshit democrats won't do it then throw them out too!
dq

Anonymous said...

I love LA because if your a South Central or Compton gangster that got shot and the paramedics tell you that your not going to St. Francis in Lynwood but Killer King - you basically being told to call your family and homies to get that church corner car-wash going....
If I was the St. Francis administration, I would put pad-locks in the emergency doors ASAP.
Honestly, Killer King only helps out a few group of people - the homeless, the low income undocumented latinos on an emergency Medicare card , and unemployed drug selling bangers with their crybaby families.
:)

Anonymous said...

I just read this in today's Los Angeles Times, and I wonder how often this happens in Kansas, in Gava Joe's "redneck" neighborhood.


4 homicides in 7 hours in Long Beach
By Tiffany Hsu, Times Staff Writer
July 3, 2007
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Exactly.
I guess those dumb toothless fucking hillbillys are too stupid to figure out how to clique up, ride on other neighborhoods and pull a trigger.
It just goes to show you how stupid they really are.
I'll take the violence in LA any day over that boring bullshit country life.

Anonymous said...

And all the right wing nuts like the anony-mouses can say is "hey let's not talk about it!
Wallys blog is about gangs, crime and politics, not about Bush/Cheney,!
Oh yeah! lets get real!
"gangs,cops,crime and politics"
Sounds like a fit to me.

Impeachment and RICO charges on the totalitarian regime of Bush! de volada, and if the chickenshit democrats won't do it then throw them out too!
dq
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Your last sentence says it all pendejo. It's no different for the little guy (which is all of us on this blog) when the democrats are in charge.
Hey vato, what do think will happen when us democrats are in charge? You think they will put the right people in place, and the gang problems and poverty will disappear? Your pedo about Bush/Cheney and Republicans is the kind of pedo that the rich gavacho democratic movers and shakers talk about at cocktail parties. Do what you have to do to get invited to one of those parties and talk your sour grapes NATIONAL political pedo there. Keep this about LA politics, gangs, prisons, etc.
Our beloved Senators and Congressman voted to go to war. They voted to give Bush the authority. How fucking stupid does that make our side?
You see vato, you only come off as an idiot (much like the Hollywood types) when you talk that pedo. If he's so fucked up, but we couldn't defeat him (twice I might add) then how fucked up are we?
We couldn't find somebody, ANYBODY,
that could beat this guy we like to call stupid, crooked, etc. etc.
Get it?
It's like the guy that tells everybody what a bitch his ex-wife is ad naseum. Eventually somebody is going to say: "Well what's wrong with your stupid ass; why did you marry her?".
The gangs and the bullshit of local politics doesn't have shit to do with that vato. Califas is about as liberal as you can get, and democrats run this state and this city.
Besides that, you set yourself up for more argument when you rant and cry about Libby. Sure it's bullshit, but they ALL do it. Didn't Clinton pardon more convicted felons in the last days of his presidency than anybody?
You see, you come as a self-righteous crybaby when you talk that pedo. We do it...hush hush..
They do it...and you scream from the hilltops.
No wonder nothing gets done to solve our problems.
A la chingada. Grow up ese.

Anonymous said...

TUCKER CARLSON, CO-HOST: ... start of the day, after last night's revelations that Hugh Rodham, best known as Hillary Clinton's brother, was paid $400,000 to secure a presidential pardon and commutation for two convicted felons.
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This is what I mean Don Quixote.
Quit fucking crying like Bush is the anti-christ. We all loved Clinton, and he did the same shit.
They all do. When you cry cry cry about Bush, you and StillNoScript
sound like hypocrites.
Get over it ese. We lost. If we get our shit together, we will win in 2008. If we don't, then we are more fucked up than they are.
We've had 8 years of this "moron" as we like to call him, and a very unpopular warfor 6 fucking years. If we can't beat the other fucking team in 2008 we are a bunch of disfunctional fuck-ups...and definitley more fucked up than the other team.
It is what it is vato. We can only hope to win in 2008. If we don't, we need to go back to the drawing board. That would be a much better strategy than sitting back and crying for eight fucking years, which only time will tell, may not be the best strategy.
Crying and bitching is for chavalitos. Let them do it.

Anonymous said...

Don Quixote, StillNoScript,
Clinton gave out over 3000 presidential pardons. Why the uproar over this one?

I guess Bush and Cheney took a page right out of your beloved party's "Presidential Playbook" right?

You better just shut the fuck up and take this one on the chin if you know what's good for you. You are going to look like the hypocrites you are if you go off on another of your "Bush bashing"
tangents over Libby's pardon. It's wrong and it's always been wrong. But that's what they do apparently.
Clinton set the bar, and Bush followed suit. So give it a rest.

Anonymous said...

"TUCKER CARLSON, CO-HOST: ... start of the day, after last night's revelations that Hugh Rodham, best known as Hillary Clinton's brother, was paid $400,000 to secure a presidential pardon and commutation for two convicted felons."

The difference is these guys weren't part of the fucking current administration. Yea every pres does it, but this guy was a insider, he was one of them!!!

OC/SJ HALF BREED

Anonymous said...

"Don't believe OC Half Breed. Can't you guys see what he's doing?

Every week he's got a new story about Nortenos.

"I saw this Norteno call a paisa a wetback".

"I saw these Nortenos calling each other "nigga""

"These Nortenos tagged my lawn, right in front of my kids, because my kid had a Dodger hat on..."

Jesus Christ, does OC Half Breed really run into Nortenos this often, or is somebody trying to stir up the pot?"

Yea I'm making this all up, just pulled it out my ass. Give me a break, sorry I didn't put them all into one post, I'll be sure to do that next time just for you. One of those happened 20 years ago and I brought it up cause it had something to do with a subject on the board. The tag on the side walk happened last week and the others happened a couple months back during my stay in the Salinas Valley. Hope that clears it up for you.

OC/SJ HALF BREED

Anonymous said...

FBI NEWS RELEASE

U.S. Department of Justice

Federal Bureau of Investigation
4500 Orange Grove Avenue
Sacramento, California 95841


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For Immediate Release
June 28, 2007 Media Contact: SA Karen Ernst, (916) 977-2240


FBI SAFE STREETS GANG TASK FORCES ARREST 22 NUESTRA FAMILIA/NUESTRA RAZA/NORTHERN
STRUCTURE/NORTENO GANG MEMBERS IN "OPERATION VALLEY STAR"
Stockton, Calif.: McGregor W. Scott, United States Attorney, Eastern District of California, Drew S. Parenti, Special Agent in Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Chief Wayne Hose, Stockton Police Department, and Sheriff Steve Moore, San Joaquin County Sheriff's Office, announce the arrests on June 27, 2007, of 22 known Nuestra Familia/Nuestra Raza/Northern Structure/Norteno gang members and associates as a result of a nearly two year investigation by the Stockton Violent Crimes Task Force (SVCTF), a FBI-led Safe Streets Task Force which consists of agents from the FBI and officers from the Stockton Police Department and the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation, with assistance from the San Joaquin County Metro Narcotics Task Force comprised of officers from the San Joaquin County Sheriff's Office, California Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement and the Manteca Police Department. Other agencies assisting include the Merced County Sheriff's Office, Los Banos Police Department, the Central Valley Gang Impact Task Force, and the Sacramento County Sheriff's Office.

Federal arrest warrants within the Eastern District of California were executed in Stockton, Hanford, Merced, Los Banos, Orangevale, Dos Palos and Manteca. Additional investigation and arrests of Nuestra Familia/Nuestra Raza/Northern Structure/Norteno gang members and associates were made in San Francisco, Castroville, Salinas, Greenfield, Petaluma, and Fremont by the North Central Coast Gang Task Force with assistance from the Monterey County Sheriff's Office, Salinas Police Department, Santa Cruz County Sheriff's Office, Watsonville Police Department, San Francisco Police Department, Fremont Police Department Petaluma Police Department, Capitola Police Department and Marina Police Department. One individual was arrested by the Los Angeles Division of the FBI in Moreno Valley. Federal search warrants were executed in eight locations within the Eastern District of California, nine within the Northern District of California and one within the Central District of California.

The investigation focused on the Mario Diaz drug trafficking organization whose members are presently involved in the distribution of large amounts of illegal narcotics, including methamphetamine, cocaine, marijuana and ecstasy, throughout the Eastern and Northern Districts of California with supply lines from Mexico and distribution channels reaching to eastern cities, to include Warren, Ohio, and Atlanta, Georgia. The Diaz organization operates under the umbrella of Nuestra Familia, a violent Hispanic prison gang based within the California prison system whose members exert control over street-level Norteno gang members engaged in drug trafficking and violent crime. Diaz and Manuel Gauna were arrested in Stockton on 5/26/07 in possession of approximately 11.5 pounds of crystal methamphetamine and have since been formally charged in a federal indictment.

The individuals arrested based on federal criminal complaints and indictments were charged with conspiracy to distribute and possession with the intent to distribute methamphetamine, cocaine, marijuana and ecstasy.

In partnership with local, State and Federal law enforcement agencies, the FBI maintains 134 Safe Streets task forces to address the violent gang problem throughout the United States by aggressively investigating, disrupting and dismantling violent street gangs, criminal motorcycle gangs, and prison gangs.

The defendants will make their initial appearance today at the United States federal courthouse in Fresno and Sacramento.








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FBI Sacramento Press Releases | Sacramento Home Page

Anonymous said...

Half Breed - Mr. Joe Morgan look alike...
When I've gone up to San Ho- the downtown latino area looked like a mini-Huntington Park to me. The people there are really much nicher than in LA or in any southern califonia city for that fact. In general, even the gangsters still have high standards in conduct and respect - but is it like that in every other small city in Cali. Anyone that has traveled up and down this state would probably agreed with me on this one issue. The only part of California that I have a negative comment to say and wont ever stop for a quick piss is in Central Valley and up in Victorville/Castroville. I have cousins that would invite me to travel up to your nortern cali car shows in this same area - and it was always a fucking "NO!" The Whites and PD Depts have a cultural atmosphere of anti-mexicans/brown. They suffer from some serious mental disorder of bigtory - even the coconuts jump on the bandwagon. They look at you and give you local direction to the nearest pisa bar....when you dont even drink.
LA people grow up being treated like shit and they all become senseless assholes - just look at what happened to me:)
San Ho - looks really calm, clean, and quiet by day overall - but by night, the shit comes out in demographic pockets. I wouldn't mind moving up to San Ho- anything is better than LA or even parts of OC. San Diego is so conservative, segregated, and white orientated - I really avoid its downtown gas district area. I enjoy some good Jazz, but not sitting next to some white asshole making negative comments of the mexicans that drive old pick-up trucks with construction equipment in the back and painted with numerous multi-color whites.
I get a kick out of the fact that Jazz was created exclusively by blacks. And you have a bunch of white people tapping their toes and fingers to a white dude playing their music - the majority love to hear the Jams but ask them if they would move in next door to a brother man ???
:)

Anonymous said...

Rush refer's to Barack Obama as Barack "Magic" Obama on his tirades. Rush does not like blacks.

Anonymous said...

And all the right wing nuts like the anony-mouses can say is "hey let's not talk about it!
Wallys blog is about gangs, crime and politics, not about Bush/Cheney,!
Oh yeah! lets get real!
"gangs,cops,crime and politics"
Sounds like a fit to me.

Sounds like a fit to you when you need to whine. I notice you never need to whine about any politician other than crooked republicans.
Gee, are there any crooked democrats in this country?
When you whine about crooked republicans, and convieniently stay silent about crooked democrats, it is as plain as day that it is nothing more than sour grapes.
Also, then this blog goes into a debate about nationwide politics and the bi-partison politics begin. Unproductive and very very boring. Stay on topic. LA or California politics, LA or California gangs, prison gangs. That's the topic. Not Bush/Cheney and crooked republicans. So quit being the democratic party cheerleader, it gets old real fast.

Anonymous said...

_Actually_ White Memorial Hospital, a Seventh-day Adventist hospital in Boyle heights, ELA is where you would want to be, asshole

What an imbecile. The dude was being sarcastic junior.

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript said...
The sooner rednecks eat their fatasses to an early coronary, the better."

SNS, are you a vegetarian?

Anonymous said...

from the LA Times:
Civil rights attorney Stephen G. Yagman, whose relentless quarter-century crusade against police brutality drew both admiration and ire, was convicted Friday in federal court of 19 felony counts of tax evasion, bankruptcy fraud and money laundering.

Karma?

Anonymous said...

When Clinton was President gang violence was lower than ever.

Part of this is due to the fact that there were more living wage jobs in Los Angeles.

It's not to say that Clinton had a cape on but it's true that with Clinton, you at least had a President who wasn't completely at the mercy of big business, and therefore vetoed some of the big business agenda bills put forward by congress. Clinton did pass NAFTA, which was a job killer (still is) in America, but that's really it. Other than that, Clinton kept a firewall between the profit motive and the middle class job market, and most importantly put the tax burden on the rich as opposed to the middle class. This broke the economy wide open and created the largest middle class this country had ever seen, a middle class more accessible to poor Blacks and Latinos than we had ever seen, and in places like Los Angeles a lot of gang members were dropping out and getting jobs.

So, to answer your question, YES, Democrats do more to stop gangs than Republicans do. They do it through economic policy, as opposed to enacting worthless law enforcement measures. The only law enforcement measure that would really stop gangs is martial law. but if we did that, we wouldn't live in a free country. So, as long as we're to have a democracy, access to the middle class is all that will work. We can do that through education alone, but that would take a generation. So why not do it through both education and living wage job creation? That's what happened under Clinton, and the result was that gangs became less violent because more members were walking away from the life.

But, I say again, my gut is that people don't want that. I think a lot of people like gang violence because it justifies their extreme, totalitarian views. They want a police state. Listen to the rhetoric..even here at this blog. You have cops raising scenarios of the police leaving their posts and letting the poor riot in order to scare people into supporting their tactics, legal or not. That is fascism, no matter which way you cut it. The police work for the people. They are not some secret club that makes their own rules. Sadly, a lot of cops and cop advocates at some point became convinced of that. What's convinced them of that? My guess is the same forces that turned Scooter Libby loose yesterday.

jorge said...

Anonymous said...

Exactly.
I guess those dumb toothless fucking hillbillys are too stupid to figure out how to clique up, ride on other neighborhoods and pull a trigger. It just goes to show you how stupid they really are. I'll take the violence in LA any day over that boring bullshit country life.


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I guess the mayates/tintos/june-bugs must be highly intelligent because they clique up and shoot each other all the time, from the east-coast to the west-coast.

Even the mayates are smarter than the toothless fucking hillbillys like Jethro on this blog.

I knew the gavachos in places like Irvine, Mission Viejo, Pacific Palisades, Malibu, Santa Clarita and etc are stupid because they don't clique up.

We mexicans in Los Angeles are the smartest of all the razas, we want Jethro the log cabin republican out of Wally's blog and back to his trailer park in Malibu.

We need Don Q and SNS to keep telling us about the evil gavachos like Bush, see George Lopez video about Bush.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOxC9WN-R0w

jorge said...

George Lopez talking about the mayates.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZjXQWM45qI

Anonymous said...

Mexican tycoon overtakes Bill Gates as world's richest man...

Fiona Walsh, business editor
Tuesday July 3, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

Microsoft founder Bill Gates looks to have lost his title as the world's richest man, toppled from top spot by the Mexican telecoms tycoon Carlos Slim.


Three months ago the cigar-chomping Mr Slim quietly slipped past legendary US investor Warren Buffett to take second place in the global wealth league.

Now, thanks to a surge in the shares of his America Movil group, Mr Slim has claimed pole position, according to the Mexican online financial publication, Sentido Común.
It was Sentido Común's founder, Eduardo Garcia, who highlighted Mr Slim's rapidly rising wealth in April, although by his calculations the Mexican had not only beaten Mr Buffett in the wealth stakes by then but also edged past Mr Gates.


Now, however, Mr Garcia says there is no doubt that the little-known Mexican has finally captured the coveted top slot, following a surge in America Movil's shares over the second quarter. This is estimated to have boosted his fortune to an estimated $67.8bn (£33.6bn) - equivalent to 8% of Mexico's gross domestic product - compared with $59.2bn for the Microsoft mogul, putting him in the lead by a decisive $8.6bn.


"When I put Slim ahead three months ago Forbes bumped him up to second place (in world rankings) a few days later," Mr Garcia told Reuters.


"Let's see if the same happens again."


Shares in Mr Slim's mobile phone empire surged by 27% over the second quarter, compared with a 5.7% rise for Microsoft. Mr Slim's bank, Inbursa, also saw its stock jump by 20%.


Mr Gates has headed the Forbes list of the world's wealthiest for more than a decade. But, like Mr Buffett, he is rapidly becoming as well known for giving his money away as he is for accumulating it. Both he and the "Sage of Omaha" have promised to give most of their money to charitable causes.

http://business.guardian.co.uk/story/0,,2117330,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=24

Anonymous said...

Flash,
LA OPINION~!
EL ALCALDE ES UN PINCHE PADROTE CHINGON DE CHINGONES!

Really, the Mayor scandal is no biggie. What I'm trying to figure out is on what will Telemundo-Channel 52 will do next? Fire? Force to Resign? Sent to another sister station? Maimi MarketPlace and Coconut Grove is really nice this time of year....
This scandal is nada....
Look at the scandal years back when Superior Judge Ochoa left his family for Channel 9 News anchor Paula Lopez. Once the Judge booted his family, Bang - Paula wants to go back to a local Santa Barbara Station to do the dirty with the Almighty respected Judge. What worst is to hear these people, like Lopez and Ochoa, talk about morals, values, and how they live a Christian life. A bunch of horseshit hyprocrites. The first Latino Mayor of Los Angeles and he ends up represtening typical stereotype Mexican/American man. Thanks a lot you jack ass mayor. Did someone say RECALL? Really, now i dont blame you white folks for talking trash about latinos....our politicians live up to all the trash talk. You White Folks got crooked BUSH (Mr.GOD), we Mexicans got crooked Villa-Viagra.
:)

don quixote said...

What an ignoramus and apologist for the ruling class you are anony-mouse
You actually going to pull out that "they all do it" card? That's so fucking weak and old it farts dust menso.
I hear this same shit from a lot of the disenfranchised Republicans now. They were the pendejos who voted for the Fuhrer in the first place, cause then it was all about gays, guns, abortion and white man's burden.
The crooked mobsters we ended up with (and it's pretty clear they stole both elections with the voting scams they pulled) then immediately went to work making lana and deals for themselves and thier crony's and it continues to this day.
So after all the scandals, phony wars, national debt (in their pockets now), crooked republican congressmen , idiotic and unqualified judges, US Attorney General, More people in expensively constructed jails than ever before in history and #1 in the world in prisoners, ect, ect, ect, not to mention the spying on US citizens and our Constitution under attack by these Facists,
And now these same Republicans like you go to the old "I hate all politicians they're all the same."

So don't give us the bullshit about not speaking up and to just shut up and take it up the ass. You might be used to that but as far as I'm concerned we all ought to be screaming and complaining and the louder the better.

And what's this "us" shit culio? You remind me of the Lone Rangers sidekick "Tonto" saying "whata you mean we kimosabe!"
Your a right wing, anti Chicano, anti immigrant, anti everybody sangr~on, wolf in sheeps clothing, so if you want to stay on your knees and not say shit that's your business but I say "throw the bums out" Impeach the Monarchy!"
dq

Santiago said...

Hola carnal Don Quixote,
My son thiago from my first marriage (Brazilian mother) recently put up this short on YouTube, his inspiration was my 1972 Riviera from my days with Groupe E.L.A.
In the early to middle seventies. Where he has added 22' aros we all styled on 520's or 560's with deep dish Cragers and sun or moon roofs back then. In 1976, low riding hit it's zenith and forget the eighties. Up until 76' car clubs were basically gangs on wheels. Groupe had homeboys from White fence all the Maravillas, Arizona, Canta Ranas Garrity Lomas , Lomas SGV, Downey, Norwalk, El Sereno, Southgate, El monte, Hazard, Soto, Primera Flats, Evergreen and too many others to mention or to remember Homeboy..... como deciamos entonces. Life has also been good to me, and have been fortunate to discover my Master like Norwalquero, but I know the blog frowns on the subject so I will end by saying, that I hope you like the flash back although you are a "little older and a lot wiser" than I, con afeccion y respeto both DQ & Norwalquero. A couple of our homies and some from Orpheous and the Son's of Soul went on to become emeros in the CDC. Those were times when you fought with fists and it was swim or sink, tu sabes..... you were there before I, and I am glad you have been furtunate and more.


1. Paste on your browser and pull the volume up, because I'm going to take you back thirty-five years Carnales.
I'm Your Puppet remix - Payaso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj10ZmOOlGY

Music.

2. Now open another window and paste
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDPq0dEwsQA

Turn the volume off and read the captions in English.

Car restoration Video.

Jim

que locuras said...

Santiago said...
Hola carnal Don Quixote,

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Santiago you forgot to say hello to Big Betty, Jim, K mule team, Marty sin pantalones, Wallista, and your other personalities.

How come you never say hello to anony-mouse or Jethro they need some attention as well.

que locuras said...

Anonymous said...
When Clinton was President gang violence was lower than ever.

Part of this is due to the fact that there were more living wage jobs in Los Angeles.

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What the hell are you talking about, here are the actual numbers from the Clinton years, Los Angeles had some of the highest crime rates during the time of living wage jobs.

You sound like Don Culo who just talks but gives no facts. No damn president has done anything about the gang problem in Los Angeles.

http://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr03x.htm

Anonymous said...

Don Quixote,
You want to complain and scream to throw the bums out, that's all good. Except when you only want the bums thrown out that aren't on your team. When you're ready to mention the bums on your own team, and you're ready to scream and complain that they should be thrown out, that's honesty, consistency, and integrity.
When you just want to throw the bums out from the other team, that's hypocrisy.
Justify it any way you want payaso.
It is what it is.
By the way, are you going to be supporitng Obama....you know....even though he's a "low down mayate"..."chanate"..."june bug"... and "tinto".
Just curious, since you feel the need to talk national politics.

Anonymous said...

OC Half Breed, cut the shit. You've been on a subtle Norteno dissing spree since you've been posting here. You're yet to point out one social quirk with Surenos. But you've got a new Norteno quirk to point out every week, seems like. It's all good, as long as you keep it in your sheltered computer room. But it looks like your Sureno admiration has been found out by your Norte neighbors.

You know what they say about walking down the middle of the road...You're bound to get crushed.

You're either banging, cheerleading, trying to lead people in the right direction (and if you were, you wouldn't be making so many distinctions between Norte and Sur, you would seek peace and try to help both), law enforcement, or living in a sheltered world. Take your pick, it's one of the above. And, if it's the latter, I think it's time for you to check yourself because you're coming off like a cheerleader and, more importantly, it looks it's transparent in more places than just cyberspace...

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript said...
No, READ:

I don't hate white people.

I hate rednecks, BECAUSE they're are white supremacists.

And, sure, founded on that hate I mock every single goofy white trash characteristic about them.
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Now that is a classic statement.
There's only one problem with it

Suppose some redneck said:

I don't hate black people.

I hate niggers BECAUSE they are black supremacists.

And, sure, founded on that hate I mock every single goofy black trash characteristic about them.

Do you suppose StillNoScript would be ok with that statement? How about the rest of our enlightened progressive blog readers?

This is the kind of statement that exposes StillNoScript as the hypocrite he is. And it's the same shit that these asshole white supremacists use to recruit kids who can't see anything but the hypocrisy of assholes like StillNoScript...who because of their fucking blatant and obvious hate and hypocrisy toward gavacho's...actually make it easier for these scumbags to recruit impressionable white kids into the movement.
You're a fucking idiot pal. It's people like you that further your enemy's cause without even knowing it.
Don't believe me? Check it out dumbass. Read some books or attend some seminars by former skinheads.
They'll tell you how they use the hypocritical and hateful rants by people of different ethnicities to point out how the poor little white race is really the one who is hated. Every racist group does it. From the KKK to the Black Panthers and the Aztlan movement.
Hate is hate vato. It can be used against you when propagandists choose to exploit it.
You want to end the problem...or be part of it?

Anonymous said...

Don Quixote said...
The crooked mobsters we ended up with (and it's pretty clear they stole both elections with the voting scams they pulled) then immediately went to work making lana and deals for themselves and thier crony's and it continues to this day.
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See pendejo. This is why nobody takes your radical ass seriously.
If you want to whine about the 2000 election bullshit, ok. But in the 2004 election there was no controversy. We ran a fucking idiot with too many skeletons in his closet and we got our ass beat.
Once again, thanks for calling me all the anti-this and that, Al Sharpton would be proud of you. Evidently so would the fucking radicals that have hi-jacked our party and not allowed any voices of moderation to be heard. They would be proud of you Don Culo. It's thanks to them and people like you that Bush got elected twice pendejo, and you can't even see it.
Aren't you curious how the moron got elected twice.....perhaps it's time for a little moderation from our side.
But that won't happen with lock-step radicals like yourself supporting the radical agendas of those who hold the purse strings of our party.
You're a fucking idiot and the best friend the republicans you hate so much have.
Ala chingada.

Anonymous said...

I've got a solution to keep Don Quackers from soiling his diaper.
Rosie O'Donnel for President.
She says the same shit he does.
Hector Marroquin for V.P.
They have the same values and ideas.
Father Greg Boyle for Secretary Of State.
Dennis Kucinich for Secretary Of Defense.
Would you stop whining then you old fart?

Anonymous said...

My wife says if he can lie to his wife and kids he will lie to anybody and everybody. I’m sure more women than men think he is a sneaky bastard, from my own personal survey of women and men.


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-lopez4jul04,1,5923528.column?

At L.A. City Hall, the summer of love
July 4, 2007

At Cal State L.A. on Tuesday, Jaime Regalado was fielding a steady stream of e-mails, almost all of them from women who've had it with the Don Juan who calls himself our mayor.

"They'll never vote for him again," Regalado, who runs the Pat Brown Institute of Public Affairs, said when I asked the gist of the messages about Antonio Villaraigosa. "They say he can't be committed to anything and stay the course."

I was getting my own flood of mail and decided to call a few of the mayor's critics. A financial consultant named Hugo was equally disturbed by the mayor's admission of a long-rumored affair with a Telemundo anchor/reporter.

"When he won the mayoral race, I went to church with him and saw him walking side by side with his wife," said Hugo, 32, who held back his last name because "it's a small town."

"So I personally think it's a big disappointment, and he hasn't just done it once. It's the second time, and I think it says something about his character."

Yeah, and the last time the mayor stepped out on his wife she was battling cancer. Talk about a character issue. Sue DiSanto, a medical transcriptionist, felt let down even though she lives in Chino. As a Latina, she said, she had high hopes that Villaraigosa would distinguish himself as a politician and be a role model as a man.

"Thanks for showing that Hispanic women don't really count, once you don't need them anymore," DiSanto said in a comment aimed at the mayor.

And so it went Tuesday, as a heat wave gripped Southern California and the hottest temperature in the nation was recorded at L.A. City Hall. The only thing that has saved City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo and Villaraigosa from combusting in the summer heat is that the spotlight conveniently keeps shifting from one scandal to another in the ongoing adventures of our very own Rocky and Bullwinkle show.

As for the mayor, there are many who say they don't care what he does in the dark, as long as he does his job. But he's been no champ in that regard, either. It's hard to get back on track when you're tripping over your own pants.

Regalado wondered if the mayor's "charmed life" has run its course. At a certain point, he said, the mayor's infidelities to his wife and to a long line of former political allies can't help but inflict some political damage.

As for the mayor's "other woman," there had long been rumors linking him to a certain "on-air talent." I'm no psychologist, but can anyone be surprised that a man who counts the number of cameras at press events fell for someone in television?

My own suspicions of the current affair were all but confirmed last week when I called a Villaraigosa spokesman and asked to chat with the mayor about the rampant rumors. If there was no truth to them, I said, I would gladly sit down with the mayor and give him a chance to set the record straight.

The spokesman promised to check with the mayor and get back to me.

I guess he forgot. Too bad, because I would like to have known if Villaraigosa intends to keep his name. The mayor used to be Tony Villar, as you know, until blending his last name with that of his wife, Corina Raigosa. If he ends up marrying Salinas, will he then become Villaraigosasalinas? Or Villarsalinas?

My vote would be for Villasalinas, with no "r," although I could be putting the cart ahead of the horse. There's no telling how serious Villaraigosa's latest relationship is, but if they do end up walking down the aisle, I can't imagine that Salinas would be content with a husband whose blended last name is a tribute to his ex-wife.

Come to think of it, given the mayor's track record and the number of female anchors in Los Angeles, I'd hold off on any more name changes for a while if I were in his shoes. I mean, he'd be better off just getting a tattoo.

As for Salinas, she did not exactly distinguish herself as a journalist when, after the mayor's split with his wife, she reported on-air for Telemundo that "the rumors were true" — there was indeed a "political scandal" at City Hall.

But that's the least of her worries. She may be about to discover that life with the mayor is always a threesome, and it's impossible to love him as much as he loves himself.

anony-mouse racist ? said...

don quixote said...
What an ignoramus and apologist for the ruling class you are anony-mouse
You actually going to pull out that "they all do it" card? That's so fucking weak and old it farts dust menso. I hear this same shit from a lot of the disenfranchised Republicans now. They were the pendejos who voted for the Fuhrer in the first place, cause then it was all about gays, guns, abortion and white man's burden. The crooked mobsters we ended up with (and it's pretty clear they stole both elections with the voting scams they pulled) then immediately went to work making lana and deals for themselves and thier crony's and it continues to this day.

So after all the scandals, phony wars, national debt (in their pockets now), crooked republican congressmen , idiotic and unqualified judges, US Attorney General, More people in expensively constructed jails than ever before in history and #1 in the world in prisoners, ect, ect, ect, not to mention the spying on US citizens and our Constitution under attack by these Facists,
And now these same Republicans like you go to the old "I hate all politicians they're all the same."
So don't give us the bullshit about not speaking up and to just shut up and take it up the ass. You might be used to that but as far as I'm concerned we all ought to be screaming and complaining and the louder the better. And what's this "us" shit culio? You remind me of the Lone Rangers sidekick "Tonto" saying "whata you mean we kimosabe!" Your a right wing, anti Chicano, anti immigrant, anti everybody sangr~on, wolf in sheeps clothing, so if you want to stay on your knees and not say shit that's your business but I say "throw the bums out" Impeach the Monarchy!"

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You know what Don Culo I even heard the racist, facist gavachos call the blacks “Mayates” and I think I heard George Bush say the mayate civil service employees lazy, rude and condescending.

Oh wait I’m wrong that It was YOU who said that about the mayate civil service employees, I am confused if the gavachos provide jobs for blacks are they right or wrong.

Don Culo shut up already you are a Payaso and a HYPOCRITE.

Anony-Mouse

don quixote said...

Fucking menso thinks the democrats ran radicals and thats why "we" (whats with the "we" shit baboso? Your a right winger por cierto puto)the democrats lost.
Radicals? Who Al Gore and John Kerry? those are what you call radicals, falso?
Who would you call a mainstream democrat? Maybe Jesse Helms, or Strom Thurmond? Joe Lieberman?
Your showing your facist tendencies anonymouse, and quit pretendending to be what your not, just come out of the closet and say heil Hitler cause you pulled your own covers here many times and everyone knows where your coming from.
By the way I was asked whether I would vote for a Mayate against one of the Republican "hair spray hero's" for President in 2008.
My reply is yea I'd vote for AL Sharpton , or Rin TIn Tin or any other pinacate, (another black bug) who runs, rather than like the 20% (still supporting the Bush Cabal)true believers in Facisism who would vote for a Republican again.

Ya Basta!
dq

Anonymous said...

The numbers of gang related murders dropped drastically in Los Angeles in the late '90s. That's a fact. And, this had a great deal to do with the better job market, which was a product of Clinton's economic policies. So, yes, Democrats do more to stop gang violence. This has been proven.

They don't stop it completely, but compared to Republicans, who watch gang violence numbers soar to record numbers on their watch, and only offer semi martial law as a response, Democrats are a god send. Why do you think the majority of minorities vote Democrat? They know things get better for them when Democrats are in office. The world doesn't become perfect, but next to Republican rule, it seems like it.

Anonymous said...

http://www.laalmanac.com/crime/cr03x.htm

^^^

This link does more to demonstrate my point than it does to refute it.

Looks at the numbers when Bush 1 was in office. The gang related murders in LA county were in the high hundreds, etching toward 1000. In Clinton's term, they drop down to the low hundreds.

And, LA City stats goes even further to prove my point. When Clinton took office in '93, there were app. 300 gang related homicides in the city of LA alone. By 1999, the number had dropped to just over 100.

And, for some reason your link leaves out current stats for LA County, stopping at 2000. I think we can agree that would be a convenience for you, because I can only imagine what the numbers are like today. I would find them myself, but why should I when you're already posting links to prove my point?

Why do you have such a problem with the obvious fact that gang violence slowed down when Clinton was in charge? Is such a fact a threat to your own politics? I would think that on a blog like this, people would be interested in a way to stop gangs without throwing the constitution out the window and enacting some sort of martial law. Am I to understand that's not the case, that martial law will be the only measure taken to curb gangs, even in the face of evidence that a better job market will do so as well?

I think you guys should do some reading on how police states all wind up. Democracy is a good thing. I know the whole police state thing sounds good, because it is a quick fix solution and sure, if you arrest all of the poor, it's pretty hard for them to commit crimes. But there's a better way, a more democratic way. A free, democratic society is the way to go. Have a little more faith in your fellow citizens. They're not all scumbags that need to be collared and booked. Most just need a purpose to get on the right track. Faith is good, but a more tangible purpose helps, too, like a solid middle class job market. This has worked before. Meanwhile, a police state, like you guys want, has NEVER worked.

Anonymous said...

Bien Cuatro de Julio everyone. It aint Cinco de Mayo, but it might be a good enough reason to crack a few beers and enjoy what we DO have up here in El Norte. GJ

big lokote said...

Santiago said...

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Anonymous said...

don quixote said...

Well if you want to believe that then I've got some swampland real estate investments I'd like to show you sometime.


Now we know who you are....Eric 'Pancharelo" Estrada

Anonymous said...

I a not sure if President Bush or President Clinton was responsible for this kids reform or maybe it was the kids own change and leaving the cholo/ghetto attitude in the past.
http://www.azdailysun.com/articles/2007/07/02/news/sports/20070702_sports_26.txt




CONTROLLED RAGE

By KEITH JIRON
Sun Sports Staff
Monday, July 02, 2007


Mario and Victoria Meza finally had it with their crime-ridden, Los Angeles-area neighborhood by the time the summer of 1995 rolled around. Like all responsible and loving parents, they wanted the best possible lives for their children.

The sad truth was the odds were against their boys -- Mario Jr., Yaotzin and Victor -- just surviving their teenage years, let alone making something positive of their lives in such a perpetually dangerous environment.

"There are a lot of gangs in my old neighborhood. So it's easy to fall into bad habits over there," Yaotzin said. "You'd see gang wars, drug dealers on the corner ... the worst of everything. You've got to watch yourself walking down the street over there."

He went on to say, "There are two things over there: drugs and prison."

To make things worse, Yaotzin's older brother Mario Jr. had already gotten his feet wet in gang life and was threatening to drag his little brothers down with him.

"I was in 7th and 8th grade, just following in his footsteps," Yaotzin said of Mario Jr. "I was sneaking off to where he hung out at."

While Yaotzin's parents knew they had to get out of Santa Ana, their final destination wasn't so clear.

A chance visit earlier that summer to a place where they didn't know a soul gave them the answer.

"My mom and my dad came to visit Flagstaff one weekend out of the blue, and a week later they told us we were moving," Yaotzin said. "But they told us we were going to stay in California.

"We left at 1 a.m., but when we woke up we were already in Flagstaff. We were shocked."
Mario and Victoria Meza succeeded in getting their boys out of harm's way. Still, Yaotzin struggled with the transition from big-city life to small-town living.

"The whole first year was just tough. I didn't know nothing ... anybody," he said. "I was used to the fast pace of the big city. Growing up in a rough neighborhood, you get used to that rough lifestyle."

While it's true the Mezas left their old neighborhood behind, Yaotzin's state of mind seemed to still be stuck there.

"I was in trouble a lot my freshman and sophomore years. I was on probation, and was sent to juvenile for six months when I was a sophomore," he said. "I guess the lifestyle from L.A. followed me here."

Yaotzin was also ordered to complete an adventure-based wilderness program during his sophomore year.

Something must have clicked out there in the woods as he returned to Flagstaff High for the start of his junior year a new person.

"I realized that it was time to start taking things more seriously," he said. " I just got a little bit more mature I guess, plus my family kept on pushing me do the right thing.

"It was time to make a change. My old life was over."

TURNING THE CORNER

Yaotzin was involved in wrestling in both his freshman and sophomore years, but he admitted his commitment to the sport wasn't there.

"My freshman year I quit halfway through, but (coach Chris) Giannola stayed on my ass, so I came out I came out again my sophomore year. I wrestled for like a month or two and quit again," Yaotzin said. "I still wasn't ready for that big challenge. Wrestling's a hard sport.

"You've got to go in there knowing your going to practice hard."

That all changed his junior year.

He came out and gave it his all. He eventually went on to become one of the state's top prep wrestlers.

"Wrestling developed me mentally and physically," said Yaotzin, who took fourth in the 125-pound division at the Class 4A state meet as a senior in 1999. "It just kept me going through those four years of high school. Without that, I don't think I would have graduated."

Yaotzin, who had the first of his two sons in 2001, was an assistant wrestling coach at FHS until two years ago when he caught the mixed martial arts bug.

"With these fights are a lot different from wrestling because you start on your feet. Punches are coming. Kicks are coming," he said. "Having my background (in wrestling) has helped me get mentally and physically prepared.

"And if you go into a fight mentally prepared and in great shape, you've got nothing to worry about."

Yaotzin got off to a rocky start, losing his first two fights, but his former Flagstaff training partner and current Rage in the Cage standout Rich Beecroft said Yaotzin would turn things around.

"His first two fights were against top fighters. One of them was a world champion and he performed well (in both)," Beecroft said. "The thing is he didn't beat himself up over (the losses). He figured out what he needed to improve on. His heart and will are unbreakable.

"He's the most improved fighter I've seen in years."

Yaotzin avenged one of his early losses when he choked out Amos Sotelo 1:55 into the second round July 1 of last year.

He's rattled off four straight wins since then and is now in talks to compete in Japan later this year.

"Wrestling has been the No. 1 thing that has helped me in (mixed martial arts)," Yaotzin said. "It's given me that extra push (when I need it).

"I've started realize I may (have a bright) future in the sport. Hopefully, someday I'll be a good fighter."

don quixote said...

Egualmente Santiago/Jim, I used to wonder why vato's whose name was Santiago were called Jim. I found that Santiago is St.James. Santiago, the patron saint of the Spanish Conquistadors and the Spanish army. During the crusade to throw out the Muslim Moors it was said that Santiago appeared on the battlefield at times to help defeat the Moors. SO the Spanish Army would use there grito going into battle "Santiago"!
Anyway despensa for my blablaso's.

Yea congrats on your hijo's film, it was great and his future is bright obviously.
The Buick Riviera was a thing of beauty and still is, I remember the first one I ever saw and it knocked me out, I think it was 66 or 67? It was I think a Royal Blue or Purple, stocker, nice!

Funny you were with the "Groupe” cause I knew a bunch of them and in fact my wife’s primo hermano was from "Groupe" "Ray or Ramon Briszuela" all from El Sereno.
We used to tease him about being with the "Groupie’s"

They helped me out one time I'll never forget.
It was in 79 or 80 and an old old camarada and torcido of mine from Frogtown calls me up and tells me he wants me to help him out.
It seems his hija who was about 14 or 15 was cruising around with some idiots from "Klique", who were thick in Highland Park then. She and another 14-year-old friend were given (and took) some reds or other downers and these guys from "Klique" (who were all in there 20's and made a habit it seems of cruising around Middle Schools and bird dogging 14 or 15 year old girls), ending up throwing a line on these two girls.
Homeboy was furious and he was also a stone cold killer and half nuts besides.
Primo Ramon from "Groupe" knows about this one dude who was kind of a shot caller and smart-ass who I'll call skinny.
We find out where his girlfriend lives and along with another homeboy, who was from a notorious and hooked up family from Dogtown, and even more nuts, go hunting.
So we go over to this house in HP where skinny's girlfriend lives. She was a gavacha in her mid thirties with a couple of kids and she denies skinny is there and she don't know where he could be. She starts up some smart-ass comments and Frogtown homie tells her "Hey look cunt you want a knuckle sandwich bitch! She's panicked now and homes tells her "I'm going to search your house and I better not find the motherfucker here or your gonna eat it too bitch!
He searches her pad but no skinny,
This broad is scared shitless, now tells me "Please I don't want any trouble, keep that guy away from me please, he scares me!"
So I tell her to just give up where skinny lives and no more pedo will come her way.
She tells us skinny lives up off No Fig on Strickland and off we go.
We hit the door and SKinny's jefita answers, she's there with her adult daughter who says she don't know nothing and for us to get the fuck out of there.
Frogtown homie goes wacky and grabs the daughter, throws her down and puts a filero against her neck. Practically foaming at the mouth he tells the old lady,' mira puta, diga mi, onde esta to pinche skinny or I'm going to cut her throat! You gonna lose one of your kids whose it gonna be?
The old lady I thought was going to have a heart attack but she tells us "He’s only trouble for us all the time, don't hurt mija please, all I know is that he hangs around the High Hat bar on York with those malcriado friends of his.
We talk Frogtown into letting the sister go and we head out the door, down the steps, but Homes turns around and empties his clip (9mm) into the door and front windows, I thought we were going to get busted right there but not a soul came out or looked out any windows.
Off we go to the High Hat Bar and when we walk in there's no skinny but three other of these "Klique" dudes with their club jackets on.
They look at us all chingon and bowed up, but they had a little fear going too I sensed.
We go over to them and Frogtown asks where we can find skinny. One vato, todo listo tells us "We heard youse were looking for skinny and he's a brother so if you don't want a contract put out on you you better lay low, We're from "Klique".
Daddy Frogtown, snatches the vato up como un relampago, throws him down and pistol whips him around the head till he's a bloody mess
WE were packing too so the other "Kliques" didn't move and were scared shitless.
Homie tells the bloody mess, "You got anything else to say motherfucker, blam another putaso in the head, you a bad motherfucker? huh, boom upside the head again!
Homie tells him again "contract on me motherfucker? You tell that skinny ass punk if I don't find him by tomorrow I'm gonna kill his whole family, Mother, sisters, brothers, and the fucking dog and cat too!
We left and looked around for skinny but didn't find him.

Primo Ray calls the next day and I guess some old Gavacho was the main shot caller for the "Klique" and when he found out about all the pedo and who was looking for skinny (especially the homie from Dogtown whose family was well known and were hooked up big time for many years with the Big Homie's), they "convinced" Skinny to turn himself in and he copped a plea to Statutory Rape.
He did a year on that beef and PC'd up in the joint. "Punk!"
anyway that's a little story from back in the day.

Y ademas Jim, no te preocupies in regards to you and Norwalquero's beliefs and working for the real "Mero Mero", of all mankind.
I'm glad you vato's found peace and satisfaction with the Big Man upstairs, I'm still trying to figure it out, but I may be right behind you guys.

My beautiful old abuelita (difunta) who read the bible every night and whose beleif in God and the goodness of all people no matter what the circumstance,(a true Christian) used to have all these old dichoso's she would repeat. Maybe this ones appropriate.

"Cajita de Dios benerita,
que se abre y se cierra
y no se marchita."

"Little box by God blessed,
It opens and closes
but it never wilts"

Anonymous said...

You sound like Don Culo who just talks but gives no facts. No damn president has done anything about the gang problem in Los Angeles.
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Facts are cryptonite to these super-radicals. You post facts, give them numbers and sources, and then they fall back to the only solution they have left. YOU ARE A RACIST AND A SELLOUT.
They are coming at you from pure emotion, and you can't reason with them.
They only know and focus on one thing;
If it wasn't for Bush and the republicans, our problems would be solved.
That's why the problems don't get solved. When the people they voted
for (if they actually voted at all)
are in office, and the shit is still fucked up in the varrio and ghetto, and the working class is still getting fucked, they wring their hands and say shit like: "We were left with our hands tied from the former administration".
But hey, what's happened to all those campaign promises from the ALL the Democrats that we have been electing for years in California and LA?
WE run this state and this city, and it's as fucked now as it has ever been. We can't lay that at the doorstep of anybody but the people we've put in office here locally. Example. We elect a smooth talking good looking vato as the Mayor. He's not the smartest guy in the world, and doesn't REALLY know shit about economics. But he IS a politician from the word go, and we fall for that shit. Let's see how well he's done at curbing gang violence (nobody can solve the gang problem)
and helping out the poor underprivilegded minorities in LA.
Short answer- he won't do any fucking more than Tom Bradley or Richard Riordan did.
But hey, he's one of us so it's ok.
We'll bury our heads in the sand and not acknowledge that he's too busy globe-hopping, planning his political strategy for Governor and chasing panocha to really do anything meaningful for the poor people of this city.
All he has to do is come off as sympathetic to immigrants and chicanos and we love him.
Meanwhile, the beat goes on for the vato living in the varrio, trying to make ends meet on a short paycheck and keep his kids out of the clique. It's ALWAYS been easier to exploit your own, because they are comfortable with you. WE let it happen. WE are responsible. So WE need to either change our behaviour or quit fucking whining.
WE get what WE deserve. WE vote these local payasos into office.

Now I'll shut the fuck up and listen to Don Culo tell us all how
LA is fucked up because of Bush.
UNBELIEVABLE.

Anonymous said...

Happy Independence Day to all.

We should all be grateful we live in the greatest country on earth.

marty said...

Anonymous said...
I've got a solution to keep Don Quackers from soiling his diaper.
Rosie O'Donnel for President.
She says the same shit he does.
Hector Marroquin for V.P.
They have the same values and ideas. Father Greg Boyle for Secretary Of State. Dennis Kucinich for Secretary Of Defense.

Would you stop whining then you old fart?

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That is a hilarious line-up you proposed for the White House.

I not sure the old fart can handle a lesbian gavacha for president.

Anonymous said...

jorge, George Lopez is talking about his racist grandmother, not directly at blacks. Watch it again.

George Lopez took part in Charles Barkely's book, "Fear of a Black Man". George Lopez has expressed more than once that he believes in Black/Brown unity. He's mocking his grandmother's racist views in "why you crying".

Anonymous said...

While the Mayor bangs his new Telemundo hyna & tries new sex positions and pops his 25mg Viagra Pills, he will soon turn his attention and fix his horny little eyes on Don Jotote's kinky daughter.
This vato, Mayor V-, has a history of being a straight perro. Somebody needs to get some good dirt on his father's character and how was the treatment towards his mother at home. I bet you some good money that the Senior V probably banged half of East-Los too. The apple does not fall far from the tree, que no?
This vato's political career is over and done with......no matter what the media or political experts say, the State Capital or the White House's toilet seats will never see his ass again.
I'm already hearing-it over here in my house. My wife has gave me that chilly murder look - you better not even vote for that idiot. Here is my wife's exact words to her channel 52 Novela comadres, "pinche perro baboso, que le corten los huevos." When my wife starts talking shit in Spanish - man, I suffer. She blabbed on about how Salinas is your typical so-called up scale greedy career Mexicana whore and needs a good ass kicking. She actually is now watching channel 34 and is boycotting Telebreakers 52 ..WOW
Is it channel 52 the station that airs "Secretos" or a show about Cheating Husbands...like "Cheaters"?

I want to know what comment Fat Ass chismosa Pitt bull Face Hippo Buffalo ASS Ding Dong eating Molina has to say about her jacked up buddy. Maybe he did her too but had to close his eyes....lol
:)

Anonymous said...

Don Quixote said...
You actually going to pull out that "they all do it" card? That's so fucking weak and old it farts dust menso.

It might be old pal, but if it's true it's true.
Clinton pardoned over 3000 convicted felons and we didn't hear a peep from our Democratic movers and shakers (who I might add were influential Democrats when it took place) about it. Libby hasn't been pardoned yet, his sentence has just been commuted, and our team's guys are making it sound like it's the biggest scandal since Watergate.

Old doesn't mean invalid payaso.

mi casa NO es tu casa said...

Tancredo rides high on illegal immigration
The GOP candidate's solution: Seal the border and send 'em back. In Iowa, he finds many voters onboard.
By Mark Z. Barabak, Times Staff Writer
July 5, 2007


AMES, IOWA — Tom Tancredo is used to anger and hostility. But success is something else. So when the Senate buckled under a wave of popular protest and rejected an overhaul of the nation's immigration laws, Tancredo wasn't sure how people would respond.

The five-term Republican congressman from Colorado is not just the hard-line face of immigration reform. His run for the GOP presidential nomination is based entirely on a platform that can be summarized in a single sentence: Seal the border and send 'em back.

A three-day Iowa swing, after the Senate bill's collapse last week, was a triumphal lap of sorts. But it was also a test: Would victory stoke the forces that helped kill the legislation? Or, Tancredo wondered, would followers say, "Geez, we've won the day. Let's go home now."

He needn't have worried. The people who burned up talk radio and filled the Internet with their fury, who blitzed the White House with their faxes and e-mails, who crashed the Senate switchboard with their indignant phone calls are still spitting mad.

"People want something done," said Al Manning, 50, the owner of a sandwich shop in Waterloo who drove more than 250 miles to hear the congressman speak twice over the weekend. "We need to stop the inflow of illegals, and we need to deal with the ones that are already in the country."

Those sentiments were echoed in numerous interviews at Tancredo campaign stops and a Des Moines presidential forum that drew hundreds of conservative activists. (Of the six candidates who spoke, Tancredo received the best reception, coming and going to standing ovations.)

There was also widespread doubt that the Senate bill, which combined tougher enforcement with a pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants, was really, truly dead.

If Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) "is willing to do backroom negotiations and then stick it on the Senate floor without debate, that tells me, if he has a chance, he will bring it up at the next opportunity," said David Connon, 46, a substitute teacher from the outskirts of Des Moines.

John Makow agreed. His family emigrated from Poland in 1962 after waiting four years to come to the United States "the right way" — so the issue is personal for the 58-year-old retired systems analyst from Granger.

Makow suggested that President Bush and Sen. John McCain of Arizona, another Republican White House hopeful and a leading proponent of the bill, "got too much at stake" to quit now. "They're going to keep bringing it up, and we're going to keep fighting," Makow said.

A Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg survey last month found that about 4 in 10 Republican primary voters nationwide said immigration was the most important issue facing the country. (That compared with a quarter of Democratic primary voters.) The figure was probably high, inflated by the intense emotions stirred by the Senate debate, but few see the debate ending with the bill's demise.

"The issue is not going away," said Dennis Goldford, a political scientist at Des Moines' Drake University. "The only question is how much will be subject to demagoguery and how much subject to some reasoned discussion."

Tancredo's immigration prescription is simple.

First, secure the borders, doing whatever it takes. Build a fence — or two or three — along the borders with Canada and Mexico. Station armed guards to block illegal entry. Then, go after businesses that hire illegal workers, hitting employers with massive fines and, if need be, criminal charges.

Also, bring criminal cases — aiding and abetting — against mayors and city council members who establish "sanctuary cities" that prevent city employees from cooperating with federal immigration agents. (Yes, that would have included Republican Rudolph W. Giuliani, back when he was mayor of New York.)

Once the jobs dry up, the estimated 12 million people in the country illegally — or 20 million, by Tancredo's count — will go home. No need for the jackboot immigration raids that are conjured up by his many critics.

"Attrition through enforcement," Tancredo called it, sipping green iced tea on a shady patio before opening his campaign office in Ames, home of Iowa State University. "If people cannot get the thing for which they came — a job — they go home."

Some look at the immigration issue and see a complicated and confounding tangle of interests and emotions. Not Tancredo.

"I have a solution," he told a Friday night crowd of about 100 at the Quality Inn in downtown Des Moines. "It's a radical one. Scary. Enormously controversial." Then he paused and spaced his words for effect. "It's called: Enforce … the … law."

Blunt talk like that is a big part of Tancredo's appeal. To Belinda Lawler, it's simple. When she called the offices of Iowa's U.S. senators, the pharmaceutical consultant from Gilbert demanded: "What part of the term 'illegal alien' don't you understand?"

"We have laws," Lawler, 50, said after Tancredo's talk. "Whose job is it to enforcement the laws? Isn't it them?" (Republican Charles E. Grassley and Democrat Tom Harkin voted to kill the Senate bill.)

But Tancredo, 61, also has a way of delivering his alarums — the country is under siege by "a cult of multiculturalism," the country is spiraling apart, splintering into a collection of competing ethnic fiefs — in a way that smooths the jagged edges and modulates his tone. He is no screamer.

He speaks in a warm, conversational style, leavened with plenty of puckish humor — much of it aimed at himself.

He confesses his inability to match shirt and slacks without his wife's help. He acknowledges his banishment from the Bush White House for political mischief. (Recently, Tancredo sent a head of lettuce, a fruit basket and a jaunty note — "Plenty more where that came from!" — to Michael Chertoff after the Homeland Security chief expressed concern about the failure of immigration reform hurting the agriculture industry.)

Reminded of something he said before launching his presidential bid — that he was "too fat, too short and too bald" to ever be elected — Tancredo threw his head back and laughed merrily. Later he repeated the line for the 150 people at his Ames office, massaging his scalp and sucking in his gut for effect, then chuckled along with them.

Iowa, which hosts the first contest of the 2008 presidential campaign, seems an unlikely source of agitation over illegal immigration. Latinos make up about 4% of the population. But that represents a significant increase: Since 1990, Iowa's Latino population has more than tripled.

Many Latino immigrants — legal and illegal — work in the meatpacking plants, transforming parts of rural Iowa into communities that could pass for neighborhoods in Los Angeles, Orange County or Phoenix.

"All over Iowa you see pockets of these changes and that makes people nervous," said Steve Grubbs, a GOP pollster and former chairman of the Iowa Republican Party. Or as Goldford put it, "People say, 'I grew up in this town. Why do I see Spanish signs everywhere?' "

Crime and drug abuse are nothing new in rural Iowa. But the problem has become worse in some places, and that has fueled the immigration debate.

"I knew when they started coming here we were in for trouble," Diane Watson of Altoona said of the growing Latino population. She left California more than 30 years ago after seeing "what happens when they move in five and six families in one home."

A vote for Tancredo is one way for Watson to register her upset. He won her over with his tough-but-amiable talk at the Quality Inn. "I think he's an honest man," she said. "He wants to protect our country."

But Watson, 63, her pink sleeves pushed up to show an armful of charm bracelets, is ready to do more.

Toss a "big net" over any illegal immigrants you find, she said, and "shoot, I'll drive a busload of them back…. I mean, they're criminals."

Anonymous said...

From the LA Times:
A place to push impeachment
An office opens near the Beverly Center to organize activists seeking the ouster of President Bush and Vice President Cheney.
By Howard Blume, Times Staff Writer
July 5, 2007

If President Bush or Vice President Dick Cheney were ever to be impeached, their foes could cite this Independence Day as a milestone — the day that the nation's first "impeachment headquarters" opened its doors in a storefront near the Beverly Center.

"This is an impeachment 4th of July," Byron De Lear, a Green Party activist, said Wednesday. He called removing Bush and Cheney "a patriotic duty to restore the integrity of the United States."

Those assembled cited various Bush actions or policies, including "lies that led the U.S. into war."

They also said that Bush--Cheney policies precipitated torture, illegal spying on American citizens, and the curtailment of privacy and civil rights in the name of fighting terrorism.

The latest irritant was the president's decision to commute the prison sentence of former Cheney aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, whom a jury convicted of obstructing justice.

"Isn't it ironic that Paris Hilton will spend more days in jail than Libby?" said De Lear.

The day's star power was provided by Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Los Angeles), who had vigorously defended then-President Bill Clinton when he faced impeachment in 1998.

"This is one of the most important efforts this country has ever seen," said Waters, speaking to about 300 gathered for a noon rally at nearby La Cienega Park.

In an interview, she added: "We can make changes through organizing. If the numbers are in the streets, Congress will listen."

Any impeachment motion — ultimately voted on by the House of Representatives — would have to pass through the House Judiciary Committee, to which Waters belongs.

Organizers could not definitively name another "pro-impeach" representative on that committee.

In the House at large, they tally 14 like-minded lawmakers, most of whom have signed on to articles of impeachment against Cheney that were introduced by Dennis J. Kucinich (D-Ohio), who is running for president.

When asked who might lead the cause in the Senate, Waters paused, then said she would have to defer that question for now.

In the end, removing Bush or Cheney from office would require a two-thirds vote by the Senate.

In the mid-term elections, many more Democrats — and some Republicans — spoke out against the war, including some who had originally voted to permit the Bush administration to invade Iraq.

But concluding the war and impeaching Bush don't look like compatible policies to most members of Congress, said progressive Democratic columnist Harold Meyerson, executive editor of the American Prospect, in a telephone interview.

"Impeachment is a distraction since it's not going to happen," said Meyerson.

"At the root of this is the notion that Bush lied us into war and that's been out there 4 1/2 years. Impeachment would stop everything else in Congress and the Democrats think they actually need to accomplish stuff instead of fighting unwinnable battles, especially with poll numbers falling for Congress. The main thing is to defeat Republicans electorally."

Republican analyst Arnold Steinberg said an impeachment drive would help his side: "This gambit will excite the leftist base but marginalize reasonable Democrats and alienate independent voters — and motivate Republicans. I can only say, 'Grow up and get a life.' Or, better yet, 'Go for it.' You'll end up sinking Democratic Party prospects for 2008."

Critics seeking to define the headquarters opening as a conclave of the political fringe could point out the largely middle-aged, deeply left-wing audience or the accordion player in floppy shoes who opened the rally with a version of "America" that substituted "siblinghood" for "brotherhood."

But the audience also included fresh recruits Trevor Torquato, 19, and Lauren Kuzma, 17, of Murrieta.

"I'm actually new to politics," said Torquato. "I'm here to be educated. I'm going to register with the Green Party today."

"I'm just hoping all of this will get Bush out of office," said Lauren, "so we can get our troops out of Iraq. They don't really talk about that in school. They talk about past history, not what's going on now."

The impeachment center was sponsored by Progressive Democrats of Los Angeles, Westside Greens, Santa Monica Democratic Club and the Los Angeles Greens.

Activists plan to meet every Saturday from 2 to 6 p.m. at the 3rd Street storefront, where they'll stuff envelopes, do phone banking, spread the word about http://www.bcimpeach.com and make plans to circulate petitions and lobby elected officials. They report that 79 municipalities and townships nationwide have passed impeachment resolutions.

Former Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, who spoke at the event, insisted that principles ought to trump narrow political imperatives. "Leadership requires that people step out," she said. "It is not hopeless. Stand up. Do something for your rights."
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So there you have it Don Quackers.
People in our own party saying it's a distraction from us winning the 2008 election because it isn't going to happen. Then to top it off, you have republican strategists saying: "go for it" because it will help them in 2008. So, you have both democratic and republican strategists saying it's a bad idea for our party.
Like I said pendejo, we need to take back our party and quit letting the radicals run the show and distract us.
But that isn't going to happen as long as we have pendejos like you talking rhetoric and preaching radical shit.
THAT IS HOW BUSH GOT ELECTED TWICE!! You can't see the forest for the trees pendejo.
I'm sure Maxine Waters would save you a place in line at the impeachment office. That is, if you don't mind standing in line behind " a low down mayate".

Your turn payaso.

Anonymous said...

A little lesson in recent LA topics
on this blog.
Hector Marroquin that LE has known for years is connected to EME, is given $100 million, funded by tax payer dollars, to run the NO GUNS program. Then, in a very ironic twist of fate, Marroqin is busted for Federal firearms violations.

Don Quixote's post concerning this is the equivalent of shrugging his shoulders.
Yet, he continually bitches and cries that republicans put crooked people in positions of power and trust and they abuse it.

The epitome of hypocrisy.

Hey Don Culo, that's $100 million LA dollars that went to this vatos program. A school program. Then we wonder why LAUSD is so fucked up.
You claim you are for the little guy, "the Raza". It was the people of LA, (predominantly Raza)and the kids who suffer because of this.
You are the fucking falso. You are the wolf in sheeps clothing who says one thing, but consistently shows his true colors to be opposite of what he says. Keep working on that college degree pal.
I'm sure you could probably get a Ph.D. in Chicano Studies.
What a fucking joke.

Anonymous said...

The world's oldest strategy is one of the least effective. It's the oldest because it's always the first one to come to mind, and does not take critical thinking.

Complain about the other guy.

I think DQ's strategy is this:
If he bitches about Bush and the republicans enough, his fellow bloggers will forget about Mario
Corona, Hector Marroquin, George Torres, etc. etc.

Proud chicano that Mr. Quixote obviously is, he has to be embarrassed by these crooked LA chicanos.

So he throws out a red herring.
Bush/Cheney and all the crooked republicans.

Just a thought.

Anonymous said...

A little poem for our resident cholo spokesman:

Don Quixote don't be so blue
Dubya got elected twice
because of pendejos like you

"Impeach the bum" you rant and rave
because of falsos like you
the rest of us have a party to save

You cry like a baby pitch a fit
and it makes us look bad
when you talk your radical shit

You must think that you sound smart
but you really come off
as menso you cholo racist old fart

Sharpton and Duke are just like you
just horses of different colors
they preach to us intolerance too

Tinto, mayate, chanate, and more
are the epithets you've used
on this blog we all know the score

Chale payaso quit talking shit
and maybe you won't sound
like a such a pinche hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

Don Culo thinks everyone up north hates LA.

IN HUMAN DEVELOPMENT, THE STAGES OF GROWTH AND MATURITY ARE BROKEN DOWN INTO STAGES OR LEVELS OF MATURITY. DURING THE PRE TEENS, KIDS THINK THE WORLD IS LOOKING AT THEM AND JUDGING WHEN IN FACT NO GIVES A DAMN. EVENTUALLY KIDS LEARN THAT IF THEY WEAR THE SAME CLOTHES TWO DAYS IN A ROW , NO ONE NOTICES AND THUS BEGINS THEIR COURSE TOWARDS THE NEXT STAGE OF MATURITY.

EL CULO SEEMS TRAPPED IN THIS STAGE, FOR ALL HIS OLDNESS, THE VATO STILL ACTS LIKE A FOURTEEN YEAR OLD. HE CLAIMS TO TRAVEL BUT EVERYTIME I TRAVEL I COME BACK REALIZING THAT NO MATTER HOW IMPORTANT I THINK I AM, THERE IS A WHOLE WORLD OF PEOPLE ENJOYING THEIR LIVES IN PLACES MUCH NICER THAN CALIFAS. EL CULO PROBABLY THINK THEY'RE ALL LOOKING AT HIM CAUSE HE'S FROM LOS.

AYE PENDEJO, THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT LA ARE GANG GROUPIES. LAWYERS, DOCTORS, BUSINESSMEN, SCIENTIST, COULD ALL CARE LESS AND WILL PROBABLY TELL YOU SAN FRAN HAS WAY MORE CULTURA TO OFFER YOU THAN LA.
CORONADO BEACH IN SAND DIEGO IS WONDERFUL FOR SWIMMING AND BABE WATCHING AS ARE SOME LA BEACHES, BUT IF YOU WISH TO TIDEPOOL, SEE ELEPHANT SEALS BATTLE FOR MATES, HIKE THROUGH COASTAL REDWOODS, THEN WE HAVE SO CAL BEAT HANDS DOWN. PERSONALLY I ENJOY DOING BOTH AND THE CALI COAST HAS IT ALL. SOME IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE NORTHERN AND SOME OF IT SOUTHERN.

THEY'RE APPLES AND ORANGES, EACH OFFERING SOMETHING DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHER AND BOTH TASTING DELICIOUS. YOU DON CULO ARE TOO FRIGGIN PENDEJO TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE...DAMN YOU JEFITA SHOULD HAVE SAVED FOR THA ABORTION. I THINK YOUR HALF BLACK.

Champagne and Caviar said...

Anaheim: Downtown Anaheim (Jethro's stomping grounds)
Just a mile and a half from Disneyland, downtown Anaheim should have thrived these past 50 years just from the people getting lost and ending up there on the way to and from the park. If only 3 percent of the park’s estimated 14 million yearly visitors somehow stumbled into the central city, more than a thousand people a day would pass the businesses at Broadway and Harbor. And what are those? Two tall bank towers, the public library and a Carl’s Jr. restaurant that looks like it was built during the Kennedy administration and hasn't been remodeled since. Sheeeeeit. The nearby Center Street Promenade offers a few more options—including a small jewelry store and a couple of cafes—but you couldn't spend an afternoon there.

So when you've had enough of the Magic Kingdom, forget about downtown and instead head five miles southeast to the Circle at the center of Orange, where Chapman and Glassell avenues meet in a roundabout. The Old Towne Directory of Shops lists more than 100, nearly all of them independent local businesses. Restaurants range from Watson Drug Store and its vintage diner hominess to the “outrageous dining and cocktails” of the Citrus City Grille. And if you want to bring something home that doesn't have a Disney logo, the antique and collectible shops offer countless temptations. Hookers are outside waiting talking to the cabbies. Shake the soles of your shoes well as the sidewalk is littered with sun-flower shells.

Murray's Cheese said...

Are LA homeowners being irresponsible by maintaining lush lawns, or are critics just being holier-than-thou control freaks?

I water my common bermuda lawn once a day by hand in between 1:00 and 3:00pm for about 5 minutes. My lawn stays healthy and green because I give it water when it most needs it, and every once in a while a York chocolate mint in the mouth and a Preperation-H bullet up the canal does the trick.

Anonymous said...

Mayor’s girlfriend is placed on leave
Telemundo took the action while it investigates whether anchor Mirthala Salinas breached journalistic ethics by having a relationship with Antonio Villaraigosa.
By Duke Helfand and Steve Hymon, Times Staff Writers
3:16 PM PDT, July 5, 2007
Spanish-language broadcaster Telemundo placed newscaster Mirthala Salinas on leave today while it conducts an internal investigation into whether she breached journalistic ethics by having a relationship with someone she covered: Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa.

"As we have stated, we are committed to journalistic excellence," said Manuel Abud, general manager of KVEA Channel 52. "Given the seriousness of the allegations that have been made, we have decided to conduct an internal review of the decisions and events that led us to where we are today. In the meantime, Salinas has been placed on a leave of absence from her duties pending this review.

"We will conduct this investigation with the utmost respect to personal privacy and journalistic standards."

Salinas, 35, declined to comment through a spokesperson. A spokesman for Villaraigosa said the mayor would have no comment at this time.

Telemundo executives have come under intense pressure to discipline Salinas after she and Villaraigosa acknowledged this week they had been involved in a relationship dating back more than a year. The mayor separated from Corina Villaraigosa, his wife of 20 years, early last month.

During at least part of their time together, Salinas was assigned to the "political beat," in which she covered the mayor on trips to New York and Sacramento. On the night he announced the separation from his wife, Salinas was the Channel 52 anchor who delivered the news.

Salinas was missing from her anchor chair on the 6 p.m. newscast the last two nights, but Telemundo officials would not say why. One Telemundo source familiar with the situation said station executives had not spoken to her because she had taken a couple of days off.

A source affiliated with Telemundo said that news executives were upset with Salinas for using an outside public relations representative and issuing a statement Tuesday about her relationship with the mayor without first running it by her bosses. One producer found out about her statement when it was reported on CNN, the source said.

Marty with the short pants said...

A guy in a wrinkled trenchcoat walks into a bar and says to the bartender, "Quick, pour me 12 drinks." So the bartender pours him 12 shots, and the guy starts shooting them back really fast, one after another. The bartender says to the guy,"Boy, you're drinking those really fast." The guy says, "Well, you would be drinking really fast, too, if you had what I've got." The bartender says, "What've you got?" The guy says, "Seventy-five cents."

Anonymous said...

Thursday, July 05, 2007
Machetes Are The New iPhone

Price of machetes drops after elections in Nigeria [Reuters]

Anonymous said...

"OC Half Breed, cut the shit. You've been on a subtle Norteno dissing spree since you've been posting here."

You know I started a big response back to you but what the hell for. Are the Wally blog police and what do you care who or what I do. I've lived over half my life in So. Cal the other part was in a place that was mixed Norte and Sur but is now mainly Sur. I had friends from both while there. Being in So. Cal I of course only knew South Siders or Woods and anyone I knew friend or relative even if they don't bang would claim South Side inside jail. Something you have to do while in there.

Last time I checked this was still America and I could wear my Dodgers shirt any place I want. Give me a break and go preach to someone else.

OC/SJ Half Breed

Anonymous said...

From our loveable "Ask A Mexican" in the OC WEEKLY, this week we have this question that more then fits on Wally's Blog since it has been talked and argued about for months now. Here you go:
OC/SJ HALF BREED

After asking my dad about black people in Mexico, it almost seemed as if Mexicans don’t like speaking about black people in their country. I think it’s strange that Mexico, unlike many other Latin American countries, doesn’t have a big black community, and the blacks it does have seem to be shunned. Are we Mexicans racist toward black people?
Ay Mami, Que Será Lo Que Tiene el Negro


Dear Wab: In a word, sí. But Mexican racism toward negritos is different than the kind practiced by gabachos. Although the Spaniards imported hundreds of thousands of African slaves to Mexico, most of them either died off or jumped into the country’s mestizaje with gusto. Mexico’s African community has never been particularly large or distinctive as a result—the current count is about 1 percent of Mexico’s 105 million souls, and most live in the coastal states of Guerrero and Veracruz. With such a small population in a country where white means might, modern-day Afro-Mexicans don’t encounter the type of oppression experienced by blacks in the United States. Really, the worst stings they suffer are mass-media depictions as Sambo-like caricatures—the best example remains Memín Pingüin, a beloved, virtuous comic-book character who looks like a gorilla with a hat. But the times, as Bob Dylan once howled, are cambiando. One of Univisión’s current telenovelas, Destilando Amor (Distilling Love) recently featured a subplot involving the daughter of a white-as-snow Mexican family dating an Afro-Mexican. The positive portrayal of the negrito in Destilando Amor means there’s hope for Mexicans to become as politically correct as gabachos.

don quixote said...

Gee you like me! You really like me!
I almost feel like I'm getting an Oscar too!
My admirer at Wally's post's up 15 times every time I comment, I feel downright loved!

When you can get that kind of reaction from someone it must mean your getting to them bad.

I'd send you an autographed photo, but like "Miss Lonely Hearts" you remain anonymous due to embarrasement and shyness.
Come out of the closet mija, show the world what a good girl you are.
dq

Ps Loved your poetic paen to me, my heart is quivering!

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