ENRIQUEZ BOOK A GREAT ADDITION.
TV journalist Chris Blatchford's long awaited book on Rene Enriquez is finally out and it's an awesome read. Second only to Raymond Mendoza's CD autobiography, The Black Hand is the best look we've had so far into the workings of the mob, the vertical integration of the mob with street gangs, Eme and CDC politics and some insight on how the mob can play prison reformers and politicians into actually advancing the mob's agenda.
If you've ever heard Enriquez speak (he was on the Glenn Beck show last week with Blatchford, albeit on the phone) you'll get a dose of cognitive dissonance. He sounds thoughtful, he's clearly bright and presents an image totally out of character to what his life's been about for the past few decades. This is not a knuckle dragging thug. Blatchford keeps himself totally out of the narrative and allows Enriquez' conflicted and sometimes tortured personality to come through.
For the serious student of this subject, it's all there - who stabbed who in what yard and what was behind it, who's the stone killer, the paranoid schemer, dirtbag manipulator - names are named and events chronicled. While there's the inevitable morbid fascination with all this, the violence in the book isn't gratiutous. It's not there for shock value or to sell more books. Violence and murder are, after all, the mob's mechanisms of control and influence. To leave that stuff out - - as earlier books about the Panthers and other criminal groups have done -- is to miss the central point.
In contrast to a book like "Monster," Enriquez doesn't weasel around like Cody Scott who blames his actions on some imaginary "Amerika" that "made" him a criminal. Enriquez, and for that matter most emeros who have expressed opinions on the subject, cops to the fact that he was a criminal, proud of if when he was active, and doesn't try to lay off the blame on anyone or anything. In fact, he credits his parents for trying from the very beginning of his criminal career to get him pointed in the right direction. And they never abandoned him even when he was buried in the SHU.
When it first became common knowledge that Rene had dropped out and was actually willing to testify against his former brothers in court, close observers marked his departure as a milestone event in the mob's history. In the mob world, Rene's defection and redemption is on the same Richter magnitude as Aldrich Ames, Kim Philby or Robert Hanssen in the spy biz. Now we have the book that documents his steps from high ranking shot caller to drop out/informant. For the student of the subject, this book is a no brainer for acquisition. You just gotta have it in the library if you're going to speak with authority on the subject. For cops, correctional officers and prosecutors, the book is invaluable for doing the job. The people who should be forced to read this book, or have it read to them while jetting around the country or riding in the back of chaufered limos are the politicians and policy makers. Policy decisions and laws cannot and should not be made based on information filtered through staff panels, social scientists, mis-informed or biased "advocates, " or groups who have a financial interest in the outcome of policies.
Speaking from personal experience, you don't make a lot of money writing this type of book. Blatchford and Enriquez collaborated on this book for reasons that have nothing to do with making a few bucks. There are lessons in this book that need to be drilled into heads -- young and old ones, shaved, grey or what have you. There are of readers of this site that are either smack in the middle of the life, dabbling at the fringe of it, know people who are heading there or are trying to come back from it. Buy a copy for yourself and one for somebody you care about. Then talk about it. And never stop talking about it until the subject of your concern gets the message.
Despite his clearly genuine change of heart and thorough redemption, Rene Enriquez will spend the rest of his life in prison. That's just the way the world works. As he states in the book, he "wasted" his life pursuing false gods and corrupt ideals. In or out of prison, society will never have anything to fear from him. The saddest and most tragic idea to ponder is "what if." Talented, bright and energetic, what if he'd gone another direction? That's a question that will never be answered for him. But for tens of thousands of young blue-wearing soldiers, there's still a chance to exercise the "what if" option.

90 comments:
Excellent review on a powerful book. Blatchford combines his years of investigate reporting talent to undertake The Black Hand and he does a marvelous job.
This book, as Wally states, is a "no brainer" to own if you are interested in the prison gang subject.
Good review!
I got mine from Amazon the day it was released, and devoured it in 3 days.
It's an excellent read, and I agree, second only (perhaps) to Mundo's book.
The book fills in the gaps on many personalities and events that many of us have previously had only a basic understanding of.
I particularly appreciated the updates on the likes of Alfie Sosa (who ordered the massive Pelican Bay riot in 2000) and Tupi Hernandez (whom Boxer portrays as a paranoid 'nutcase').
Also, the complete story behind the Maxon Street murders is very powerful. That chapter (entitled 'Baby Killers' in Blatchford's book) was very moving and provides a gruesome reminder of how utterly evil and diabolical men can become in their thirst for power and recognition.
I'll probably do a review at Amazon in the near future, but wanted to add my voice to the chorus indicating that this book is definitely a 'Must Read' to anyone interested in the subject.
With respect,
Norwalquero
It's ordered. Reviews like you've given are worthy of re-reading and reprint themselves. I caught that Glenn Beck show and was as well highly impressed with Rene's eloquence and seeming logical portrayal of why and how he came to write his book. Thanks for the heads up, and good to hear from you.
Hello, Wally.
A couple of responses to your review.
- While Cody Scott, in his book, "Monster", does blame society for some of his downfall, is that all he blames? I seem to remember him alluding to his lack of a father figure, as well. A bit OT but an interesting trivia nugget: Scott's father is former Los Angeles Ram Dick Bass. Scott never met him.
- Cody Scott writes his book as a free man and not as a convict at mercy of the system. True, Boxer will likely never be released but you can't seriously believe there won't be some sort of reward for him avoiding writing about systematic corruption and racism playing a role in the EME's rise. If Boxer writes the book as a free man without a cop looking over his shoulder, is it possible we get a version of the story which implicates "Amerika" as well as his own poor choices in life?
Wally, not making excuses for Boxer and God Bless his parents for sticking by him, but your talking about a vato from Big Hazard (consisting mostly of public housing projects), on the East Side of LA and in prison by nineteen years old. His story is not so unusual in that context, we're not dealing with the Menendez Bros who did have every material consideration.
Let's not use Boxer's story as a repudiation of the age old rule of thumb that poverty and being a minority doesn't give one a leg up on getting involved with crime, gangs, and prison.
here is an interview with rene enriquez when he was debreifing he sounds like a very intelligent man he is not your stereotypical cholo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEvsD7pyp5w
Rene has also shared his life story for some powerful radio programs on NPR, BBC's Crossing Continents and American RadioWorks. And for those of you who want to see him in action, check out the video of Rene posted on youtube by American RadioWorks.
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Hermano Don Q:
First, all the best to you and your loved ones!
Just a correction: Boxer Enriquez did not hail from Ramona Gardens, but rather from Artesia.
Although he spent some early years is East Los (if memory serves without having the book in front of me), he basically grew up in Artesia...a few miles down from Norwalk and on the borderline of Cerritos.
While far from being Hazard projects, Arta/ Norwalk/ Hawaiian Gardens is still not quite as nurturing as the Menendez Bros community of origin.
Con mucho respecto,
Norwalquero
As usual Don Quackers does NOT know what he is talking about, Rene Enriquez grew up in Thousand Oaks, see story from NPR. Don Quackers should stcik to stories about huevos rancheros.
I guess SNS and Don Quackers just can't accept the fact that not every cholo blames the republicans and gavachos for their criminal ways.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94333325
"Enriquez's information was a bonanza. But what really intrigued investigators was his unusual profile. Enriquez grew up in a middle-class home in places like Thousand Oaks and Sunset Hills in California. He showed early promise in school. But instead of following his father into business, Enriquez channeled his ambitions into the local street gang."
Who really knows where Rene Enriquez grew up? Rene might just be telling more stories than Santiago, Drinking with Tony, Big Betty, Hiroshi, Conchita .. quien sabe. I will "re-lie" on Don Quixote he seems to know everybody, been everywhere and done everything, if an old cholo can be a golfer, ski in Montana and know about the opera well that's good enough for me.
http://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/gangster/transcript.html
Enríquez:
"I come from a well-to-do family. My father owned multiple businesses. I had a good upbringing. I lived in upper-middle class areas: Simi Valley, Thousand Oaks, Sunset Hills, Cerritos, California. We always had nice two-story, three tri-level homes. It was a - I lived in a good environment. My dad, he made himself."
Although we have some differing of opinions as to where Boxer actually grew up (I always thought Boxer was from BH13). I think I will go with the esteemed Norwalquero's info as he has always been a gentleman and strives for authenticity and dialog in the best sense of the word.
I have the book on order and am looking forward to a good read.
Good to hear your voice Norwalquero and I hope your family and yourself are thriving and in good health
In the above mentioned article he has ARTA tatted on his abdomen.Isn't this calo for Artesia?
Arta = BH13 as Don Quixote said, he knows all the carnales. I am sure he will tell about when me was a kid and saw Rene Enriquez hanging around his other carnales.
He lived in all these places, then became affiliated with a gang from Artesia. So if you'd ask him, he'd probably say that in his gang life he was known as Boxer from Artesia...But that doesn't mean he did live in other places as well.
If Boxer being from a middle class upbringing is going to be used as a case that poverty has little to do with gang violence, then the clear majority of gang members in fact coming from poverty must, in the same context, be used as a case that poverty has a lot to do with gang violence. You just can't have it both ways, Cantinflas and Wally. If we're going to use this logic, the fact of the matter is that most gang members are products of poverty, therefore poverty MUST be a pivotal cause of gang violence. Obviously there are exceptions, and Boxer is one of them. But an exception is just that, an exception.
LOL.
At "Black Hand" Amazon.com page:
"Customers Who Bought This Item Also Bought"
The Mexican Mafia by Tony Rafael
The Gangs of Los Angeles by William Dunn
Gangs And Their Tattoos: Identifying Gangbangers On The S... by Bill Valentine
Boot: An L.A.P.D. Officer's Rookie Year by William Dunn
The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Person... by Jerome R. Corsi
The Last Patriot: A Thriller by Brad Thor
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Fleeced: How Barack Obama, Media Mockery of Terrorist Thr... by Dick
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Pelican Bay: A.K.A. Gangbanger University DVD
.....
Now, this raises the question...
What do gang alarmists not like about Obama?
Here we have Bush for 8 years, a Republican, and gang violence sky rockets. Gang violence was down in the 1990s, under a Democratic white house. Doing the math, you'd think cholophobes would want a Democrat to win. I mean...assuming they want gang violence to drop. Anyone care to 'splain?
Wally,
See link below for a good site from a reporter who writes about the drug cartels down in Mexico.
But some mensos might be offended that the author does not blame the crimes of the mexican drug cartels on the the "age old rule of thumb that poverty and being a minority doesn't give one a leg up on getting involved".
Oh and I'm not sure who the minorites in Mexico are? But I'm sure the Mexicans of anglo-europeans origin will be blamed by said mensos for the existence of drug cartels and their extreme violence.
http://borderreporter.com/
Since you seem to have all the right gang answers, what did the Democratic party exactly do to bring down gang violence? And, what exactly is Mr. Obama's plan to combat street gangs? Does a Democrat (or Republican) have THE ANSWER just by virtue of being one or the other? I don't think it's that simple, guy. I think your party allegiance and affiliation are very obvious and good for you. A person has to believe in something. Or is this just a playground for you to bash these obviously right wing law enforcement types? Either way, I suppose this site can be both educational AND recreational.
"If Boxer being from a middle class upbringing is going to be used as a case that poverty has little to do with gang violence, then the clear majority of gang members in fact coming from poverty must, in the same context, be used as a case that poverty has a lot to do with gang violence."
Don't even waste your breath, dude. For anyone to even begin to assert that Boxer (coming from a "middle-class" neighborhood) is a classic example of how poverty has no direct contribution to becoming a gang member is utterly ridiculous.
If that's the case then Cantiflas hails from Germany.
What I believe is the real phoenomena is this: We in society have this stereotype image that ALL gang members speak in one-syllable words, can't maintain a civil conversation and are mostly uneducated.
Boxer is a great example of a bad guy who can hold his own with anyone. Apparently, Boxer is not the only vato who can articulate and communicate well.
(If we're going to use this logic, the fact of the matter is that most gang members are products of poverty, therefore poverty MUST be a pivotal cause of gang violence.)
Again, poverty contributes mightily to the gang problem together with broken family units and should always be considered and addressed when discussing the GANG PROBLEM.
(Obviously there are exceptions, and Boxer is one of them.) Come on, guy, there are tons of exceptions. How many cops, priests, doctors, ad nauseum, come from the barrios and broken families? Tons.
(But an exception is just that, an exception.)
Let's rephrase: MOST barrio dwellers who are raised in poverty and one-parent homes turn out to be decent citizens and the EXCEPTION to this is the barrio dweller who chooses to live a life of crime.
As a gang/homicide prosecutor, I agree that Chris' book and the Mendoza CD are essential to those of us who investigate and prosecute Eme killers. I would add to the list the American RadioWorks interviews of Rene Enriquez entitled "Gangster Confidential". Listening to Rene's own words, you can hear his internal conflict in his voice. You were too modest, though, in not adding your own book "The Mexican Mafia" to the list of "must haves" for gang investigators and gang prosecutors. Between all those sources, and having conducted the direct examination of Sergeant Richard Valdemar in the prosecution of all sixteen of the Mafia murders I have prosecuted, there's not much more to know about the subject
Is it me or was that A.D.A.retired Tony Manzella in da house?
Coming from the strictly uninvolved civilian's point of view Mr. Manzella, I want to say that I understood completely what you meant when you said you'd like to go into their houses and "take out" those young gangsters. Your words were spoken in earnest and we know what you meant. Good for you, and Godspeed.
prosecuter x you most know of don quixote legandary freind of the eme, he knows all there moves just ask him.
LOL, all I do is poke a little fun at the fact that so many people buying anti-gang books at Amazon are also buying anti-Obama books, and now suddenly I "have all the answers" about gangs? Wow. Sorry I struck a nerve.
To respond to the rest of your comment...
I'm just merely stating that gang violence went down when Clinton was in charge. That's all. Hey, it could have just been because the cops got the bad guys off the streets. But even if that is the case, they did so on Clinton's watch. Things couldn't have been so bad when that pot smoking hippie was fooling around with Monica.
On Bush's watch, we can all agree gang violence has been a nightmare, his convictions and patriotism not withstanding...
I'll be honest, I can't give you tangible examples of what either president did to make gang violence worse or better, I can only point to the fact that the results under each presidency were significantly different. That's all.
Since you did take up for "right wing, law enforcement types" (your words, not mine), it's your turn. Why are the same people paranoid over gangs paranoid over Obama, as well? What are the parallels? Did Obama throw up what looked like a gang hand sign at any point? Ahh, was it the "terrorist jab" he and Michelle gave each other? Or, do they just draw the unfortunate conclusion that a black president can't be trusted when most gang members are black and Latino? I'm only asking, here. I look forward to your answer, and more of your accusations that I claim to know everything about gangs.. :)
you do act like you know everthing about gangs sns, you ask people for there opinion and when they give it you laugh at it like they don't know what there taking about and you had the answer all along.
I'd stopped posting long but had to say its funny to see Don Q, still getting clowned. He brings it on himself speaking on a book he hasn't even read. This book was life changing for me. I aspired like most young mexicans to be chingon! Raza looks up to vatos chingones and the eMe is the group of vatos who have a rep for being the most chingones. Being chingon don't seem like all that anymore after reading the book. I thought Boxer was very honest and profound. Even reading between lines, I think he (BOXER) was scared of BACA, who made himself available by delivering those books in SHU. But, he wasn't afraid to admit the panic attacks and that he was always afraid of his carnales....that shit is deep! I'm outta here for good, you vatos keep DON Q in line pretty good....didn't even feel the need to call him by that other name....this was a hell of a book...as stated you get the inside scoop on all the big cases ie bat, huero sherm of msnbc fame, etc etc...good shit...
Well, if I, "had the answer all along", wouldn't that mean that maybe I know as much about gangs as most people in here, which would therefore make me as qualified as most of you to speak on the topic?
Script,
Where do you get your statistics that gang violence was down in the 90's and raging out of control now? Here is where I get my statistics:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_c.htm
It doesn't specify gang violence but does in fact say that overall violent crime has been on the decline since 1994 reaching the lowest levels ever recorded in 2005. I'm pretty sure Bush was in office 2005, care to "splain?"
Can someone please tell me, with all of the experts out there! When did the Eme begin, where? and who are the original members? It seems every ones answers are different. Porque, Ive read all of the aforementioned books including the bugermans book on the EME, tey are all good books but know one can answer my pregunta! Help!
Gracias
ZAPATA LIVES
Check the Archives on this blog. It's all been covered.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/tijuana/20081003-1731-bn03tjbody2.html
5:31 p.m. October 3, 2008
The bloody turf war among Tijuana's drug traffickers claimed eight more lives Friday, and two of the victims had been decapitated.
Officials say the men were the latest casualties in an ongoing battle among organized criminal gangs. In all, 44 bodies have been found in Tijuana since Sunday.
The bodies of five men were discovered about 3:30 a.m. Friday in the Buena Vista neighborhood near Calle Juan Ojeda Robles, said a spokeswoman with the Baja California Attorney General's office. Their faces were covered with gray tape and their hands and feet were bound, she said. There was no note accompanying the bodies, as there was in the previous killings.
About five hours later, the bodies of two men were found in colonia Guadalupe Victoria on Venustiano Carranza. One was believed to be 35 to 40 years old; the other 50 to 55. Both had been decapitated and a message had been left on the bodies on a piece of cardboard.
According to Mexican press reports, the message read, “These are your people, M4. You're next.” There was no explanation as to who “M4” might be.
About 11 a.m. Friday, the body of a man 30 to 35 years old was discovered in the El Rubi district inside a black Volkswagen Jetta with California license plates.
On Monday, 12 bodies were found outside an elementary school and an additional four victims were discovered in another section of the city. Nine more bodies, including eight in a group, were discovered Thursday. Two other bodies were found elsewhere.
Mexican law enforcement officials blame the violence on their efforts to bring down the powerful drug cartels that control the flow of illegal drugs into the United States.
Script,
Where do you get your statistics that gang violence was down in the 90's and raging out of control now?
Like my Uncle Sleepy and my tia Caluca, Script just likes to hear himself talk. Don't worry about what he knows or doesn't know. Just let him ramble and scroll down to the next comment of real substance.
"Mexican law enforcement officials blame the violence on their efforts to bring down the powerful drug cartels that control the flow of illegal drugs into the United States."
That paragraph reads like some overused, tired statement issued out of an agency or multi-agencies that are completely stymied by internal corruption and an enemy that really DOES control the country. That same enemy, those same cartels will soon control Mexifornia too.
Good review Wally, will for sure go out and buy the book after reading the review.
Still No Scprit, while I agree with about 90% of what you say, I have a question regarding the surroundings of gangs members. While the majority of black and latino gangs are from poor area with shit loads of crime and poverty is true. What would you say is the reasoning for many of the Asian gangs and certain white gang members. If you look at groups like Satanas in areas in Cerritos or TRG most of these guys come from middle class homes. Many of the gangster peckerwoods in places like the O.C and SFV come from decent family's as well although some are poor. I agree with the fact that a kids surroundings has a great impact on his choices on weather to join a gang but what attributes to these more middle class gangs?
OC HALF BREED!
I was about to buy Boxer's book, you guys. But after reading some of the comments here, it seems that gang violence is down today. You guys showed that Script idiot. Here I was getting ready to buy this book because Script was telling us gangs are out of control now. But you guys have clearly proven to him that gangs are not nearly the threat today they were in the '90s. So, since Bush has this gang thing pretty much under control, Boxer's book just isn't that relevant anymore. So, I'll pass. I'm buying "Obama Nation", instead. Boy, I'm glad I read these comments and saved myself the 20 bucks!
sng,
Violent crime went down in the '90s, then started to rise again in this decade. Source: Your DOJ stats. Thanks for the help.
OC, I'm not concerned about gang membership, only violent crime. Any group of people can call themselves a gang. ....The police can label any group of people as a gang (seems to happen a lot where there's land development...)
The "gangster peckerwoods" in OC are tough guys, I'm sure. I've seen their tattoos...
But shaving your head, getting a tattoo, and yelling a bunch of racist shit about blacks does not make you a violent gang member.
We can go on and on and on bringing up established street gangs in middle class neighborhoods. There's too many to name. But one thing never changes:
The violent crime, almost entirely, takes place in the impoverished neighborhoods.
I JUST READ THE BLACK HAND, AND WAS VERY DELIGHTED TO FINALLY READ SOME FACTS. HE TOUCHED ON SOME REAL ISSUES SUCH AS THE VERDADEROS WHICH WAS LED BY TIGER FROM AVENUES AND A FEW OTHER CARNALES. HE DID LEAVE OUT DANNYBOY AND CHUCO FROM 13LOCOS OUT OF HIGHLAND PARK WHO USED TO GO AROUND USING HIS NAME. HE DID MENTION STRANGER FROM ROCKWOOD WHO TURNED INFORMANT BUT WHAT HE DIDNT MENTION WAS THE FACT THAT STRANGER APPROACHED TERESSA CHUCO AND DANNYS HEFITA NOT HUCK. BUT NEVERTHELESS BEING THAT BOXER WAS TORCIDO DURING THAT TIME HIS INFO IS SOME WHAT RIGHT. I ALSO NOTICED THAT HE TOUCHED ON THE MONTEBELLO MURDERS BUT INDICATED THAT RICHARD SERRANO WAS A CLOSE ASSOCIATE OF STRANGERS BUT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE IN FACT STRANGER ALSO WANTED RICHARD DEAD FOR LYING TO HIM ABOUT A DEBT OWED. TRIAL TRANSCRIPTS REVEAL THAT THE DEFENSE IN THAT CASE ACCUSED SHADY FROM ROCKWOOD OF KILLING RICHARD WHICH OBVIOUSLY WAS NOT TRUE. HOWEVER I ALSO WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED THAT HE STATED THAT THE FACTS BEHIND MANUEL'TATI'TORREZ'S MURDER UP IN ADX WERE STILL UNCLEAR WHY THE CARNALES HAD HIM KILLED.... WELL EVEN TATI HIMSELF KNEW HE WAS ON BORROWED TIME WHEN EVERYONE GOT INDICTED IN 1999. TATI CHOSE TO RIDE WITH STRANGER AGAINST CHUY AND SAPO AND ONCE THE SMOKE WAS CLEAR AND CHUY AND SAPO FINALLY HIT THE FEDS WITH TATI THE MAGORITY VOTE TO HAVE TATI KILLED KICKED IN AND TATI HAD TO FACE THE MUSIC NOT ONLY FOR RIDING WITH STRANGER BUT ALSO BEHIND THE POLITICS THAT WERE GOING ON WHILE THEY WERE ALL HOUSED IN MDC L.A....
ANYWAYS GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK WALLY I DID ENJOY YOUR BOOK AS WELL YOU TOUCHED ON THE AVENUES AND THE EME'S INFLUENCE IN THAT AREA WHICH IS OVERALL SAD. I DO HOPE TO READ A BOOK ON HOW TO KEEP THE NEW BREED OF GANG MEMBERS AWAY FROM THE EME'S GRASP AND TO HELP CHANGE THEIR LIVES BEFORE IT'S TO LATE.
RESPECTFULLY YOURS,
EX-EMERO
sng, what month and what year, In the Sombrero goes back a few years, still the questions go unanswered!
When did the Eme begin, where? and who are the original members?
Once Again Thank You for your time!
ZAPATA LIVES!
sns said...
sng,
Violent crime went down in the '90s, then started to rise again in this decade. Source: Your DOJ stats. Thanks for the help.
2:00 AM
WTF?? Did you go to the same site I pasted? Dude, your in seriuos denial.
SNG,
I was wrong. I assumed by just reading your summary of the statistics that crime had started to rise again after '05. But after searching the web myself, I can not find one single site which has any national violent crime stats from 2005 on forward. I guess they don't want us to know what the trends are since then. Oh well. If you guys find one, and they demonstrate that crime has continued to decline, then hey, I'll concede my argument. But it still makes me wonder, why the uber paranoia over gangs? Violent crime seems to be declining year after year. Obviously, the time to be paranoid about gangs was pre 1994, when gangs were putting up the numbers to back the fear inciting statements about them made by LE agencies.
The way you guys talk about crime being down and everything being calm under Bush's watch, I don't really see the point in buying Boxer's book. I'm just not afraid of gangs. They're not as violent as they used to be, according to you guys. As long as we have a president with resolve and conviction like Bush or Palin (and that presidential candidate on her ticket, forget his name, you know, the old dude..) who has free market values, gang members will be patriotic, god fearing members of society that will go to church and upgrade their SUV once a year. Gangs obviously are not a problem. Sorry, Boxer and Blatchford. But I'd rather steer my attention toward a real threat. Gangs are yesterday's news. Pre 1994. That's what the numbers say.
so sns what will be you new obcession than, what cause will you go cry on the net about now?
Walley, Maybe you can answer my pregunta? My girlfriends Familia state that her dad was an original member, and that he helped start the EME, back in the day, I just want to confirm this or not. It is obvious to me that SNG is obviously to busy with guess work than the hold hard cold truth.
When did the Eme begin, where? and who are the original members?
Con Respeto
ZAPATA LIVES!!
And what the hell is the hold hard cold truth?
ZAPATA,
Wally won't post my response. Don't know why?
Senor, Wally is there a problem with SNG response to my pregunta? It is only History, accurate I hope. it will put my mind at ease. My girlfriend is a Civilian she's not involved in her familias Business.
So help me see the truth and the facts.
When did the Eme begin, where? and who are the original members?
Senor Wally are the above questions a secreto?
SNG No offense ment by the Whole hard cold truth, Despensa!
Gracias Senors
ZAPATA LIVES!
Anonymous said...
"so sns what will be you new obcession than, what cause will you go cry on the net about now?"
Something that actually exists. Unlike you guys. This whole gang thing is much ado about nothing. Violent crime has steadily gone down. Thanks, SNG, for setting us straight. We all thought violent crime was a problem.
I read the book. I have every piece related to the EME. This was a pretty good book. It was worth my 28 bucks. But the problem is when we finish the book it seems like there is more missing. I dont know. Out this way from keeping up in the paper we have alot of high power eme business with he casino's: San Bernardino. And there is alot of political corruption out this way.
The guy above writes:
" But the problem is when we finish the book it seems like there is more missing. I dont know."
I haven't finished my copy but I'd have to think that there is probably plenty missing, at least current stuff. Enriquez has been down "all day" and not looking to ever get out. La eMe is a continuing saga. His story will leave off when he loses touch. He's obviously done that! Good luck and long life to him also. I always kind of had the opinion that Mudo's defection was somewhat of a con, or at least not based on intelligent, meaningful motives. Boxer's seems to be both ligical asnd well thought out. Also he gets extra credit for not using the religion ploy as a motivator.
No worries there's bound to be another carnal down the road who'll debrief and you can get more current chisme, but the next one probably won't be as articulate as this one. So yeah, keep your eyes peeled for the next lost soul to come out of the Machine, another carrier of the "what if" dilemna.
There's certain sad irony in the fact that a mind and soul can do a complete transference, but they'll never break the bonds they've bought with their bad choices. Lockup must either be a comfort or a nagging ache to a guy with a clean slate. I guess you just have to get above that shit.
I read the black hand and it was great. best book ive read in a long time. the guy is real, he's not hiding behind anyone. he says i did this and i ordered that hit. finally a true gangster with some honor. It beats medozas book and monsters book, by a long shot. tonys book was ok. more about the aves st gang though. overall good books. any answer to anoymous ? who did start mexican mafia/ i want to know too.
Just read a story on line with the chief of police in Salinas saying that over the past year or so that the Sureno's have become much more organized then they were in the past. Is Eme moving in on the Central Coast and Nor Cal to teach these guys some lessons on dealing and what not? I heard a while back that they were going to start working with Sureno's from places like Santa Maria etc.
OC HALF BREED!
PS.
GO DODGERS!!
I wish Wally would bring back this blog to the way it used to be. I long for the days when we had
Marty With the Short Pants
Conchita
Big Betty
Kansonian Mule Team
Jim
Mustang Sally
Hiroshi
Drinking With Tony
Santiago
Lil Trukos
What became of that skalawag S:.? That guy was real man.
Ok Nobody wants to answer the question that keeps getting asked. Here's my answer: Luis "Huero Buff" Flores in 1957 was from Hawaiian Gardens, was 16 yrs old and locked down at DVI Tracy , the hardest slammer the CDC had at the time for young hoodlums. He conceived of a "supergang" and together with Mike Ison, Eddie Loera,Jesus Pedroza, Alejandro Lechuga,Gabriel Casteneda, Benjamin Peters, and Rudolfo Cadena layed the foundation for what we have today. Cadena is credited with being the co-founder of La eMe.
I miss S, lol, he was always a good read for a laugh.
It'd be nice to see the blog get back to some of the old topics. I don't mind talking politics from time to time, only problem is you can't really change someone's mind on a blog and it just leads to a lot of name calling etc.
OC HALF BREED!
GO DODGERS!!!
OC Half Breed,
Police chiefs only make statements to get funding. They'll say homeless pocket pickers are organizing if it will get them more funding. They have. More than once.
As far as Surenos organizing...take LA for instance, their home base. Does LA look organized to you?
I don't think the EME's out to organize. They're out to extort whatever they can. That's one thing I agree with Wally about. If they really sought to organize, I don't think LA would be as crazy as it is. Because there is nothing organized about what's going on in LA's Sureno neighborhoods. If they can't organize their back yard, they're not going to organize the black market in the northern part of the state, which itself is a clusterfuck between biker gangs, Asian gangs, and bay area blacks (the latter pretty much including modern day Nortenos).
I agree with stillnoscript about EME's lack of "traditional organization". But their danger is in the gangs that "buy into their game".
SNS, it may appear that the Carnales don't have the streets organized but don't buy into that, they're highly organized and the Sureno shock troops are almost everywhere I look in cities I visit.
Last weekend I was in Seattle for instance, my youngest brother lives in an area called Federal Way and I noticed that the placaso's all had the notorious 13 behind them, mostly 18th St. but all the Chicanos I saw (and some slanging dope) were flying the blue flag.
The street gang mayhem in LA and So Cal has a long history and is in itself a proving ground and gladiator school that weeds out the weak and the strong survive, like a military boot camp.
Hey I just finished "The Black Hand" and have a few immediate reactions, I'll think about it more as I have time.
It was an enjoyable book and a page turner that was put together professionally, for the most part by Blatchford. Some of the chapters seemed though like they were fillers and the info a rehash of old history, The last chapters after Boxer rolls over and PC's up were mainly BS and self serving by not only Boxer but LE and the Prison representatives, like Blatchford was hero worshipping them and espousing their political line.
Boxer most of the time came off like small potatoes and a wannabe with his nickel and dime hustle of ripping off small time drug dealer's and petty holdups.
A righteous Carnal doesn't need that kind of punk shit, he makes his feria supplying and has others do the dirty work like enforcement and collections.
I think that kind of bullshit got Boxer on the shitlist, especially that chickenshit murder of Cynthia Gavaldon for nothing else but Boxer trying to appear like a bad ass to his flunky's.
And then Boxer's constant whining about politics when he seemed like the one who was politicking and using divide and conquer tactics.
My feeling is that Boxer was indeed one of the "Pepsi Generation" Carnales who was kept at arms length by the real shot callers and finally got put in the hat himself for his politicking.
The clear evidence of this in the book was the race riot at the Bay in 2000 and Boxer being kept in the dark on it.
His whining that Alfie was the only one behind it due to being a racist was ludicrous.
All the Carnales are racist and racism is an important movida that every ten year old in Juvie is aware of.
And Boxers lament that it was a single vato "Alfie" that directed the whole thing without a green light is lame on the face of it.
He gonna tell me that hundreds of Surenos and Camarada's planned and carried it out without a green light by the Carnales?
If Boxer didn't know about it then it was because he wasn't supposed to know about it, and was already suspect of being a rat or a mixer.
Nite Owl Baca chasing Boxer around trying to kill him was probably because Boxer was already on the lista not just a personal thing like he claims.
Then Boxer trying to set up Jacko Padilla, his old friend and supporter was really a chickenshit thing to do. I'm glad Jacko hung tough.
The last couple of chapters with Boxer supposedly advising on how to handle the spread of the EME was a joke too.
He came off like a pawn of the prison industry and far out anti constitutional LE operatives.
The "suggestions" by Boxer on how to handle EME was a transparent attempt at pushing some political Prison agenda.
"View the Eme as terrorist's, keep all suspected EME members in total isolation without communication and isolated, prosecute all family members and girlfriends, seek the death penalty always,.
His smutting up of Gloria Romero and Polanco and anyone trying to 'reform" the penal system and or for intervention and money's spent on prison reform or street gangs was a pathetic political ploy and kind of left me feeling that the book was a propaganda tool in the last couple of chapters.
Also again with the "Mexican" bashing! The cover of the book is whack, "A Mexican Mob Killer"?
Again making a statement that the EME and Enriquez are somehow related to the country of Mexico.
Besides the Mexican Heritage of many Carnales the EME and Rene Enriquez are as American as apple pie.
Anyway these are some of my initial reactions to the book, a good read but flawed due to some slanted reactionary political direction and self-serving apologetic's by Enriquez.
For a controversial Presidential candidate (that would surely affect Los Angeles local politics immensely) please copy and paste the following link:
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DQ, normally I agree with you but for you to say the EME is organized on the streets simply because Surenos tag in every town? First of all, what's organized about tagging? Telling the police, "Hey, here we are, come and get us", is organized?!? Seems more like the opposite to me.
Cosa Nostra didn't even bother organizing street gangs. They just extorted them. And that's exactly what the EME does, extorts street gangs.
There are Surenos here in Sacramento and maybe they do pledge allegiance to the big M, but I can tell you right now, the EME is not even remotely in the picture in Sacramento's overall gang world. They might as well be fictional, like Edward James Olmos made them up. In fact, the most talk you'll get about EME amongst gang members in Sacramento, outside of the few Surenos here, is the mockery of lines from American Me and Blood in Blood Out.
The EME is a dangerous organization that has a strangle on LA Chicano gangs with their pay or die taxation policy, but that threat doesn't exist outside of LA. I'm sorry. It doesn't. Prison is obviously a whole different ball game and there lies EME's true power, but on the streets, here in Sacramento and in every other towns up here, as far as I know of? The EME is powerless.
As Mexican immigration increases up here things can change...but I have a feeling the Cartels are going to beat EME to the punch. Not basing that on anything empirical, that's just my guess.
sns
I agree with the lack of "real organization" in the ranks of the L.A surenos as far as Eme goes. But I think what they are seeing in places like Salinas and San Jose is in the past the Surenos were happy to shoot at Nortenos and go party. Now they're starting to get more into dealing, hitting actual norte targets i.e shot callers etc. But who knows like you said they'll say anything to put money in the coffers.
Being in San Jose now for a year and a half I've yet to see one actual flag waving Sureno. I know there's a varrio here that claims Clanton supposedly started by some L.A homies some 20 plus years ago that moved up here. I've seen a few cholos around not flying colors so not sure their allegiance. I have seen quite a few Norteno's. Noticed the over 25 crowd actually dress more like a traditional cholo and the youngster norteno's well, I have no idea what their style is, lol if it wasn't for all the red I'd never know what their deal is. Also noticed a lot of white boy norteno's around here. Also it seems realy trendy for "citizen" youngster to fly the red regardless. My son's school has a no red policy but blue is OK.
Surprisingly though there's been a couple Sureno's in the paper with anglo last names. Up here the papers will say weather a person is a Sureno or Norteno. They also always seem to point out that sureno's "are mostly immigrants".
San Jose freaks out anytime there's a once of gang violence, it is a really clean big city. A girl my wife works with lives on the East Side and when going to her place she was telling us it was the "ghetto" we both laughed when getting there, my wife grew up in Long Beach off of PCH near Poly High, that's ghetto and nothing compared to Compton or So. Central. The varrio's here are so nice compared to the really hard hit areas of So. Cal. That's not to say there isn't shit going oncause people are getting shot.
OC HALF BREED!
DQ, you're surprised about the book having a political edge? My god...look at the people promoting it the most. LOL. Think they would be giving it the hard sell if it didn't pound their political drum? It's why I'm not buying the book, well, that and SNG convincing me that violent crime is no longer a problem in America under the conviction and resolve of our great leader, the 'right man', George W. Bush.
The streets are just peaceful out there under W., aren't they?
OC: Phils are going to take the series 4 games to 1. They're going to clinch it right there in the ravine. I'm sorry. I grew up a Dodger fan but my god I know when they have choke written all over them.
Don Quackers babbles........
"Also again with the "Mexican" bashing! The cover of the book is whack, "A Mexican Mob Killer"?"
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EME = Mexican Mafia, what should the gavachos call the mexican mafia members so Don Quackers won't be offended.
After Don Quackers infamous racist comments about blacks in which he calls blacks - mayates, changos, chanates any commnet about racism by Don Quackers is nothing more than laughable.
Does anyone know if Boxer's claim that "Alife" was sexually molested by Angel was true, or just some smear by "Boxer"?
I don't want to offend anybody but here are two gruesome stories about the Mexican drug cartels. I wonder if SNS would still rather have Mexican drug cartels running the country instead of the republicans?
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http://borderreporter.com/?p=665
This morning, LaPolaka.com is reporting 11 dead and four injured in a nightclub shooting in Chihuahua City, Chihuahua, last night.
According to the news Web site, the killers showed up in three trucks and identified themselves as Policía Federal Preventiva officers.
This is an interesting twist in Mexico’s narco-related killings. Tradition, and maybe code, maintain that violence stays between the cartels. With rare exception, that has always been the case. Cd. Juárez carries more than 1,000 dead this year; about 16of those were un-related and cross-fire killings. Or, what we’d normally refer to as victims.
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http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20081009-1951-lt-mexico-violence.html
MEXICO CITY – Five state police officers were killed in the western Mexican state of Jalisco by grenade-lobbing gunmen who fired more than 800 bullets in the attack, authorities said Thursday.
The officers came under fire Wednesday night as they prepared to search a car they had just stopped in the town of Lagos de Moreno outside the western city of Guadalajara, the Jalisco state public safety department said in a statement.
I never saw what the big deal is with Nortenos acting black. I'm not Chicano so maybe I just don't see it from a Chicano's perspective. But I think I can explain it. A real Norteno isn't supposed to give one flying fuck what a Sureno thinks of them. Remember how the Norte started to begin with. The whole idea is to shun any perceived authority or superiority the Mexican Mafia or the LA Chicano in general might have. One thing you've got to hand to the black Nortenos, they're living by that credo, at least. While it's the older ,more "cholo style" Nortenos that seem to be on blogs and message boards apologizing for the mayate ways of their younger generation...apologizing, in many cases, TO SURENOS! Now, I see their point. But I hope they remember that for all of the respect older Nortenos might have for that old school LA cholo style, the feeling is obviously NOT mutual. So, maybe it's those younger hip hop Nortenos that actually get it, ....ya feel me? :)
Remember, the younger Nortenos are the ones on the front line of this mess, not the beer bellied veteranos sitting in their homes and babysitting their grandkids, and yearning for the year 1992. It's those young Nortenos with their hair braided and their gold grills living in the here and now.
But, of course, the Nortenos of 20 years ago used to spit at the feet of Surenos while still wearing the creased white t shirts and the cut off khakis with the white socks to the knees, and listening to Brenton Woods. Truth be told, though, how many Surenos are really like that anymore, either? The average Sureno today looks like a fucking maniac compared to the Sureno of twenty years ago. We can start with the bald head, which reeks of that skinhead affiliation. You think the braids are disgusting...What happened to the slick back hair? I don't see how looking like a neo nazi preserves the onda, either.
Anyhow, all a matter of opinion.
Obama's going to become president and magically end gangs within one week, anyway. That's my prediction. The Raiders will also win the rest of their games and win the Super Bowl. Hey, forgive me for having the audacity to hope.
It's well and good we have SNS among us to clearly define all the nuances, styles and general demographic differences between Surenos and Nortenos. The progressive changes that have evolved to the cholos we have today may never be so well documented were it not for SNS' constant vigil.
Yes it's weird, and it very well may teeter on some manic obsession by another gavacho who is ashamed of his social strata, but his detailed reports are inofrmative if not partially indecipherable.
To close lets all thank SNS for his skewed view. MUCHAS GRACIAS!
As regards Don Quicksand's windy post: Did you expect any more or less?
If it wasn't for Democrats, I guarantee you the modern day Republican party would leave poor areas and even a lot of the middle class wide open for cartels. Cartels thrive on busted economies.
And to respond to the 9:46 am comment:
As I said before; It's not my fault I know more about gangs than most other people commenting in here. What am I supposed to do? Dumb myself down to your guys' level and just post stupid LA Times articles? No. That's your guys' job.
Muchas Gracias for your reply! My only question is Why is this information kept so secret? I see the book doesnt even name the original members! Why? Is it because they do not know themselves! It appears every one has there own list, Why isnt there just one list? Who are the reliable sources? By the way my girlfriends familia name was not mentioned! Just as I had suspected, Everyone wants to be somebody famous, or is it infamous!
Senor Wally I would like to know your opinion on this as well as TJ Jailer and sngs opinion!
Con Respeto
ZAPATA LIVES!!!!!
stillnoscript said...
"If it wasn't for Democrats, I guarantee you the modern day Republican party would leave poor areas and even a lot of the middle class wide open for cartels. Cartels thrive on busted economies."
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So when the democrats get elected the drug cartesl will cease and desist according to StillNoSense.
If our government were all Democrats? Yes. There would be no cartels. At least not here. Drugs would probably be legal, anyway. It's hard to even imagine the money and resources that would be freed up if drugs were legalized. Cartels thrive on two things: 1) Poverty, 2) Drugs being illegal. Republicans have proven to be much bigger contributors to both of these things than Democrats.
Sorry Wally but when SNS , O.C Halfbreed and Don Q are your gang experts I think I will gracefully bow out of your one time informational blog. ITH has come to a sad state.
O.C Halfbreed said...
But I think what they are seeing in places like Salinas and San Jose is in the past the Surenos were happy to shoot at Nortenos and go party. Now they're starting to get more into dealing, hitting actual norte targets i.e shot callers etc.
Being in San Jose now for a year and a half I've yet to see one actual flag waving Sureno.
ARE YOU FOR REAL?? WELL YOU MUST BE AN EXPERT NOW, YOU BEEN IN SJ FOR A WHOLE YEAR AND A HALF.
Script,
Just one question. Who has been running congress the past 2 years?
At last there's a point I can totally concur with SNS on. LEGALIZE DRUGS -- Do it yesterday.
Response to 11:40 pm
Look, when the only experts in here anymore are people who've never seen a gang member in their life and only have local newspaper articles as references, yes, I'm sorry, people who have actually grown up around gang members are in fact the "Experts". There used to be a ton of people commenting here who are true experts, on both sides of the law. They're not here. Maybe Wally disappearing for practically a year had something to do with it. They'll probably be back. But as long as this blog is full of people using the LA Times as their primary source on gang violence, yes, the people who've been around just enough gang members to know their style and behavior are king. I dont' know what else to tell you.
San Jonero,
Never even mentioned being a expert. If you read what I said, I said "what I've seen so far"!! I'm not on the East Side daily so of course I don't see everything going on. I said in the year and a half that I've been here I've yet to see a flag waving sureno. I've seen plenty of norteno's flying their colors. That doesn't mean there isn't a shit load of sureno's, from what I've read in the local paper there's plenty of south siders in San Jose. I know some sureno's claim areas of East Willow and around that varrio area, I'm sure you know the area. Like I said I know there's a Varrio Clanton in S.J as well.
Anonymous above, while don't you offer some insight instead of taking shots at those of us who are trying to get this blog back to it's original intent instead of all the name calling and politics and right wing instigators who come on here to talk shit but never actually contribute anything regarding the content of the site.
OC HALF BREED!
FIRST OF ALL NORWALQUERO IS CLOSER THAN ANYONE ELSE WHEN THE SUBJECT OF WHERE BOXER IS FROM. HE IS FROM ARTESIA. SO IS NITEOWL BACA, SAMMY 'NEGRO' VIALBA AND HUERO SHY AND JESSE 'SLEEPY' ARAGON. I KNOW THIS CAUSE I AM ALSO FROM ARTESIA. I HAVENT BEEN THERE IN MANY YEARS AND I KNEW THEM WHEN WE WERE BANGING TOGETHER. IN FACT I NO LONGER LIVE IN CALI. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THE TRUTH OUT THERE. TO SOME PEOPLE BOXER DID WRONG BUT HE WILL STILL TAKE YOUR WIND IF NEED BE. DONT UNDERESTIMATE HIM!
My compliments and thumbs up to Chris Blatchford's The Black Hand.
As a connecting saga to the Mexican Mob's evolvement, it is an excellent complement to Ramon "Mundo" Mendoza's "Mexican Mafia: From Altar Boy to Hitman". Blatchford picks up nicely where Mundo's ends.
We are made aware of more "current events" such as the street gang taxing phoenomena, the relationship between EME and the Mexican cartels, the intense politicking that pits carnales at each other's throats and the detailed accounts of Mob hits into the 21st Century.
We are also updated on many characters who were previously introduced and detailed in Mundo's book: Joe Morgan, Topo Peters and Black Dan Barela (all having died in prison), Tati Torres, Nico Velasquez and David Gallegos (murdered by their EME carnales), Alfie Sosa, Champ Reynoso, Black Segura, Willie "Bobo" Gouveia, Huero Shryock, Kilroy Roybal and many more (either doing "all day" in prison or in and out of the system).
It is personally enjoyable to read about the detailed involvement of certain law enforcement individuals who dedicated a good portion of their careers in their diligent pursuit of these EME bad guys. Richard Valdemar, Roy Nunez, Rich Lopez, Gil Garcia, and many others are mentioned. Good work, guys. Unsung heroes.
Page 5 of the Black Hand does in fact (in answer to a poster's earlier inquiry) talk about the original EME members who were at DVI. Mundo likewise mentions the "charter members" in his book.
After viewing Rene in several video tapes and having been exposed to Mundo Mendoza for several decades, I am impressed with their intelligence and manner of communitcating. These guys do not fit the stereotypical Chicano street gang member style. But neither did Robot Salas, Joe Morgan and a host of others.
"You cannot judge a book by it's cover" and it is important to note there are an increasingly high number of self-educated, state raised dudes in the prison system who, like Rene and Mundo, can articulate very well.
"Chuco" Castro was another highly place Emero who hopped off the train and altered the course of his life.
In my view, it doesn't matter "why" they turned so long as they made that necessary move to join the civilized world.
It is great to see that these individuals have indeed forsaken their previous lifestyles and have embarked upon a "new Journey" in life!
Peace ......
Senor Wally, My only question is Why is this information kept so secret? I see the book doesnt even name the original members! Why? Is it because they do not know themselves! It appears every one has there own list, Why isnt there just one list? Who are the reliable sources?
Senor Wally I would like to know your opinion on this as well as TJ Jailer and sngs opinion!
Con Respeto
ZAPATA LIVES!!!!!
It looks like what Emiliano Zapata wants - he gets! There's an array of answers to your bumper crop of questions from our own newly returned resident expert. Tijuana Jailer pretty much exemplifies the sort of comment that makes for a good mix.
Also its good to get some meat and spuds from the "Caps Vato", the guy from out of State.. I liked his comment on how Boxer could still"take your wind".. It'd be righteous to see him take DQ's wind for calling him a "Pepsi Generation Carnal"..
Re:
"Who's ran congress that last two years?"
Wow. Yeh, it should have taken Dems no more than two years to reverse the damage caused by 12 years of the Newt Ginrich/Tom Delay "Fuck the middle class and the poor" express.
And, they have an excuse to boot. Well, two, actually. The first being a president that vowed to veto basically everything the Dem congress put on his desk (Bush hadn't vetoed one single bill until the Dems took charge). The second excuse being that Tim Johnson's health issues made Joe Lieberman the tie breaking vote in the senate. Joe Lieberman is no longer a Democrat.
Congressional bills have to be approved by the Senate. But you knew that. Right?!?
The Black Hand was a good read. What I admired most was Boxer's acknowledgement of drug addiction as such a major force in his life and in that of many EME members. It is a reality often overlooked. So many of these cons (eme and others) are dope fiends and being a dope fiend is a fulltime job that takes precent over everyting. How are you going to stay organized and effective when you're always chasing the bag?Addiction leads to paranoia (hence all the poloticing) and bad descision making.As i much as I admired the honesty and integrity of OG con Edward Bunker's writing,he more often that not glossed over his lifetime dope addiction and 30+ years on methadone. Boxer lays it all out for what it is. He tells of the emero beat to death by blacks in the Tenderloin over some poop butt crack shit and the other old emero living on the streets who Boxer lured to his death with a few spoons of carga. Now so many of the younger heads are on that meth. That stuff turn normal citizens into psychos. That is some bad shit....
SGV Observer
some of these EME legends are such because of the times. Many Emeros earned their repuations by doing alot of killings in the pen. Today the yards have cameras everywhere and we have shu programs. I believe Boxer mentioned the penalty for a prison murder in his time as 45 days in the hole. What i'm getting at is the system has changed such that the opportunities to build a name for yourself aren't there anymore....one killing and its the shu
So...help me out here. Is EME this finely tuned machine destined to take over the SouthWest US, or is it merely a prison gang being driven to into the ground by drug addicts?
This is the contradicting narrative I seem to be getting at InTheHat these days.
Like a few people have said eme members aren't always what you would think they would be.
One that I got to know well was just a straight gang banger type. Didn't have much brains, was always doing whatever drug he had(heroin, meth, acid, weed) but, was quick to kill and turn to violence. He lived off of his wife pretty much in a low income apartment and rode around on a bike when his old ass pick up truck was out of commission.
Another one had his people taken care of, straight businessman who handled a lot of dope in the area he shared. He is mentioned in boxer's book and I seen for myself how his people were taken care of. His area was taken over by another carnal and now from what I hear he is out of the car.
The other one I met looked like a regular Chicano wearing sandals, jean shorts with a well trimmed mustache and regular trimmed crop of black hair. The dude carried himself well and was pretty down to earth. He doesn't even live around his area though, he comes down when he has to but, for the most part he calls shots from the sidelines.
What is a trip is how they all seem to fight over territory. Threatening people and then later saying sorry because they didn't know that the person was handling things for another carnal.
When I was younger I thought they were more glamorous, living well. A few are for sure but, a lot of them don't have the brains to do it, just like Enriquez insinuates in his book.
Youngerster with Game
I read the book , and i thought it was well written, However, I never got the feeling that Chris Blanchtford wrote the book, It appeared to me that Renne enriquiez wrote it ! Anyone else get that same feeling or is it just me!
the Lone Ranger
sorry couldn't come up with a spanish name!
Can anybody refer me to any other blogs, websites, etc., that mostly deal w/ the issues, e.g., Mexican Mafia, prison gangs, etc., covered in this one? I really like this blog but the posts are few and far between and one has to rely solely for long periods of time on the comments for new discussions, information, etc. Thanks.
It is one thing to have academic intelligence and quite another to undertake a literary endeavor. While Rene Enriquez was possibly very capable of writing his own book, he instead opted to have Chris Blatchford (with his 20+ years of investigative reporting behind him) put his experience to work on his behalf.
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/InsideFox/Detail?contentId=10851&version=10&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=5.3.1
No, there are small hints that lead directly to Blatchford. For example (and this certainly doesn't detract from the excellence of his work), he mentions the Hoyo Soto Maravilla gang. No such creature. Rene would never have made such an obvious error.
Blatchford, in untold number of interviews with Enriquez, does capture the "flavor" of what Enriquez felt and experienced, in direct contrast to Mundo's which read more like a police report (just the facts, maa'm) and did not have the polish of Blatchford's.
In response to Still No Script's earlier question/observation, the EME is neither a "well tuned machine geared to take over the Southwest" nor is it "being driven into the ground by drug (heroin) addicts".
Conversely, it is a killing machine that continues to take over much of the Latino gang culture in much (if not most) of the U.S. At the same time, what continues to hinder and stifle their criminal growth is the fact that most of these bad guys do indeed love drugs. And, drugs is the EME's Achille's Heel.
There was a saying in the movie "Scarface" that went: "Don't get high on your own supply". This is the key to a successful EME criminal enterprise in a nutshell.
When the framework is done .... when the foundation is laid out .... when the soldiers are amassed and in place .... when the prisons are rampant with fear ... when the dead bodies make Murder Incorporated look like child's play, why haven't they taken that final step?
Answers:
1)The continued effectiveness of diligent law enforcement people who won't let up; 2)The EME's continued love affair with drugs; 3)The fact that, although the ingredients are there, they seem to be content with controlling prisons, controlling gangs, killing folks and selling and ingesting drugs.
This "contradicting narrative", as Still No Script aptly writes, is indeed an ongoing dichotomy. A deadly and super controlling machine they definitely are today (Well tuned? Hardly that).
Blatchford also describes these EME folks as modern day terrorists. Notwithstanding Wally and Still No's objections to my blatant use of the term terrorist when describing the EME, I still believe this term is so appropriate.
Not in the political sense, mind you, but in the sheer multitude of madness they have wreaked upon our society.
It is now documented that La EME has been directly (not indirectly) responsible for well over 3,000 murders since their birth and the carnage continues to this day as street gang heavies throughout the Southwest and in other regions do the Black Hand's bidding.
The indirect murders (those who kill in THE NAME of La EME) - in other words, the EME gave them no such direction but they think they are furthering the EME/Sureno Crusade - account for murders that cannot be numbered.
If this isn't modern day street gang "terrorism", then I can't find a description in Webster's that can better describe what these people are perpetuating.
Combine this with the EME's active and ongoing relationship with the Mexican cartels (described in excellent detail in The Black Hand) and you have major problems.
Many of us live in communities that are unaffected by organized crime and street gangs and I say, great. But the cancer is very visible in designated communities throughout the country and gang conferences seem to grow each year.
Wally talks about Rene's future.
He had a problem (obsession is a better term) with heroin. In his present solitary confinement, the temptation to "escape" will be powerful. His willpower and determination to overcome will be put to a great test.
Will Rene surrender meekly and float away into Tecato Heaven? Or will he retain his dignity, look the Dragon in the eye and survive? I may not agree with his criminal acts in life, but I'm pulling for a full recovery. To think that an ex-cop would feel this way. Amazing what age does to a person!
Rene has what amounts to a life sentence. But his spirit is free! He no longer lives in that Dark World and he has the hope of someday witnessing nothing short of a miracle. While we REALISTS conclude that he's in for the duration with no hope, there are times when HOPE can prevail.
Does this mean I believe he should be free? Not my call. I'll defer to the Man Upstairs.
Peace ..........
"the Panthers and other criminal groups have done -- is to miss the central point."
I'm hoping that this isn't a reference to the Black Panther Party. To look at the BPP given the context of racism, Cointelpro, and J. Edgar Hoover's FBI "Kill on sight policy" toward the Panthers you could hardly consider the group "criminal". Whoever wrote this is really misguided to say the least.
I'd also comment that gangs themselves and gang members aren't just products of poverty but internalized racism as well. No one talks about gangs in the context of people of the same racial background massacring each other at high rates. You've really got to hate your Raza and yourself to be blasting at people who dress and look the same save for the opposite geographic location.
I guess we have Henry Ford and freeways to thank for that though.
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