Tuesday, August 30, 2005

POWER PLAY IN COUNTY
It's nice to see the blog carrying on without much input from me. Reading the debates and discussions in the comments section is like hanging out on the street and listening to the OGs talking. No anger or harsh words. Just strong opinion backed up by experience and tempered by time.

I like the idea expressed by a commenter that this place is like buffet. You don't have to like everything on the table. But there's a lot to choose from. And you'll never go away hungry.

Here's something to munch on. I won't mention names, but some of you are plugged in enough to figure it out. It seems that the balance of power in LA County jail is being upset by a recent arrival -- a shot caller from San Fer. The guy has been kicking up dust, rearranging collection conduits and has put at least one guy we know for sure in the hat over a nothing deal. Prior to his arrival, the center of gravity was located around a couple of EasLos and Northeast brothers who seemed to run County along traditional lines -- low profile, smooth and professional. The money flowed up without too many beefs and the only people who had to watch their backs were the Mayates and tax resistors. This new arrival seems to be brooming the established order, disrespecting some solid camaradas and just throwing muscle around not because he has to but because he can. There's a rumor that a senior resident from the BAY was even sent to County on a bogus subpoena just to check this guy's play. Can't verify that one but it's out there being discussed.

All of this leads me to ponder a notion that was brought up by TJ Jailer in one of his recent comments and then remarked upon by other readers -- the notion that the brotherhood's internal politics will keep it from ever growing into the sort of organization on a par with the LCN, at one time the gold standard of criminal enterprises. There's no denying that the LCN had a great run for a long time and they made a lot of money and achieved a tremendous amount of legitimate and quasi-legitimate power and all of it without putting too many bodies in ditches.

To date, the brothers don't seem able to pull off anything remotely similar to the LCN template. A large part of that, I suspect, has to do with the inability to shake off the street gang mentality and replace it with something more structured. Basically it means that people who don't like being told what to do have to start learning to do what they're told. Which is a big obstacle for people who are essentially anti-authoritarian. To implement that sort of change will probably require a charismatic visionary. A gangster version of Mao, Che or Fidel. Okay, I'll concede that Mao, Che and Fidel are (were) gangsters but you can't deny that they got a lot of people to pull the cart in the same direction. Even if that direction was over a cliff.

The potential is there. There's a huge street organization already in place. What's lacking to push the entire enterprise to the next level is a leadership that's less concerned with back stabbing and politics and more focused on a bigger picture.

112 comments:

Anonymous said...

There are a lot of obstacles for any group to SUCCEED in organized criminal activity today, especailly a group that is already known to the law enforcement world.

Anonymous said...

Welcome back, Wally. It seems like we are spinning our wheels when dealing with certain Latino prison gangs as they are constantly recruiting from their barrios and barrio membership is constantly being replenished by young vatos who aspire to "be like Miguel"!

So we are doing something wrong in our communities when gang membership becomes more attractive than an honorable lifestyle.

Anonymous said...

"So we are doing something wrong in our communities when gang membership becomes more attractive than an honorable lifestyle."

In the hood, the firme hinas who like to f%$^&k always go for the gangsters. The square vatos who would do right by some of these rucas get passed over for a vato that will dog them out and maybe put a foot in their ass. Being a gangster is exciting and fun. The hood rats love it ( and there are some firme hoodies)as do alot of square rucas. Its hard to think beyond getting with the firme rucas as a youngster, especially with few male role models to show you otherwise.
In alot of white families or even mexican families not from the hood, the parents are always telling their kids they will go to college from day one
(I tell my kids) and the kids grow up expecting that will be the case. Alot of the kids in the hood don't have a clue what their going to do after highschool because no one expects much from them even if they have all the potential in the world. If they were expected to attend college things might be different.
Just telling them everyday that they will go to college is a start.
After a while, they will believe it. And its free to anyone who wants it, its not just for rich people. If nothing else, tell them there's a gang of fine rucas all over the place at college. just getting them there is the hardest part, we have alot of smart raza on the calles and in the pintas who could excel if they gave it half a chance. And they would love it.

Sancha said...

In my white hyna opinion, one of the biggest differences I see in LCN and the EME is back in the 20's and 30's, LCN ran their "business" but strove to at least appear legitimate; they dressed well, like businessmen, they had big houses, they hobnobbed with politicians and movie stars, and they brought up their children with respect because the way their children behaved reflected on them.

The Mexican gangs have lost control of it's "children" by leaving them alone on the streets to form their own more violent subculture. Rather than respect and learn from the OG, the kids moved on ahead and began to run things the way they felt they should be run, with pure power and no finesse. It's like the difference between Sonny and Michael Corleone; left to his own devices, Sonny would have shot his way through his "family" to get his way, while Michael continued with the old way of doing things and struggled with issues of respect and carrying on the traditions brought forth by his father, including doing business the way his father did, discreetly, but forcefully.

The young guys today aren't discreet, they're just forceful. They don't have a low profile, they flash their signs and their weapons and shout "bring it on" to whomever appears in their varrio.
To me, that's why they may never gain the control that LCN had in it's prime...they're too obtainable and they don't care about covering any tracks. It took years and years for LE to bring down key members of LCN because their records and bookeepinig were so coded.

My mom always told me...moderation, moderation in everything...food, money, dress, etc. Just my 2 cents...I'll go back to the kitchen and make some lemonade....

Anonymous said...

just like the lcn every few years the structure has to go threw a shake down, but unlike the lcn the carnales dont seem to think about using the kickup$ for a little legite business venture just to make everything look on the up & up

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Anonymous said...

The problem is the Older vatos calling shots now have the mentallity of youngsters in their head. They want everyone to see them and everyone to know they are a badass instead of showing the younger vatos how to not go pack to the pen or even go at all and not worry about the so called lime light everyone wants to be a ghetto superstar but that is bullshit. So its like a bunch of kids fighting with each other.

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Anonymous said...

The italian mafia started in a country that has been conquered over and over by different peoples. I could go on and on about who conquered them and how that helped them build and maintain their culture of omerta. The bottom line is an organization similiar to the mafia had existed in Italy for centuries due to the fact other people always conquered the country so a need arose for a government by italians for italians even if it wasn't recognized by the oustide conquerers. Now, after being in the US for about a lil more than a century, they have alot of snitches as well and aren't a shadow of their former selves. The godfather flicks are puro pedo, so making comparisons to Michael Corleone-he's really an actor named Al Pacino are puro pedo.
Before prohibition they were little more than gangs preying on their own, similiar to what the vietnamese do to each other nowadays. Who cares what they did 100 years ago. Its not like that now. The movies have really glorified them beyond recognition.
And they kill each other and backstab one another as much as anyone else. Pancho Villa from 18st clcs wife was arrested with about 500,000 cash. Thats not chump change. I think you guys keep underestimating the chicano prison gangs because of movies you've seen about italians. If you want to use a movie for reference, use donnie brasco, the guy lefty who had 20 Kills for his LCN family could barely make ends meet after twenty years in good standing.

Sancha said...

That's a good point using Donnie Brasco. But I understand the difference between real life and fiction; I was simply using that as an example to compare the mentality of mobsters then to mobsters now. What I'm saying is that men like Capone, who by and large ran his organization thru violence, was still a "respected" citizen to many politicians and entertainers, simply because nothing could be traced to him, or proven on him. He was violent, but discreet when it came to his family and how he was perceived by them. Chicano mobsters today don't seem to care how their family sees them; in fact, the more feared, the better. And they're not perceived as "respectable" because they do nothing to cloak their deeds, or disguise their funding....Gotti pranced about New York, the Hamptons, wherever he wanted because his appearance was gentlemanly, even though his actions were not.

But, that again also becomes a generational thing; I would never have spoken to my father the way that I see my daughter questioning her dad.

So, it's all in how we're raising the next generation as a whole, white, brown, black...whatever.

Don Quixote said...

Welcome back Wally! You and our President must have been on vacation together down in Crawford playing the banjo. And your return speech was even longer than his today. Orale!

Anonymous said...

Sancha,
I don't know if Capone was respected so much as feared. He also lived in an era before DNA and all that pedo that makes it easier to apprehend someone. He did run soup kitchens though which earned him support from alot of gente. Also, the Government back then was alot more corrupt and working in hand with mobsters allowing them to grow in ways no crime sydicate has since. So in my opinion, its not about the italians having more criminal greatness than mexicans, it was about a time and place that allowed anyone to flourish who had the numbers and violence. The italians did take over partly because they had more guns than the jews and irish who were already assimilating to america and leaving the ghettos. By that standard and my experience in the state (cya's worst) Mexicans can get off as hard as anyone else. We got alot of heart!
On a slightly different note, I once read about a proffesional woman of caliber who was intrigued by John Gotti and thought him the sexiest man alive. She finally met him and came away thinking the man's mind was a cesspool. (who'd she think she was going to meet-M. Corleone?)Personally, I give the vato props for being a gangster's gangster and never giving up anything or anyone. I agree with wally's statement that its gonna take a visionary to lead the raza to new heights. Charles lucky Luciano was the italians visionary who took them higher. Besides his criminal talent, a good dose of good luck helped him along.

Back to my original point, most of the italian soldiers at the street level don't wear expesive suits. The dress like all the other gangsters-TACKY!

Sancha said...

Oh, I surrender. No lemonade for you.

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Sancha said...

Now now, there's surrender, and there's SURRENDER...and I expect dinner at the very least.

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Anonymous said...

......(its gonna take a visionary to lead the raza to new heights)..........

Some vision. I'm sure La Raza is tickled pink about attaining these new heights you speak of.

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Anonymous said...

where is Alfred "Tigger" Salinas now? If he's still at the county it would be hard for me to believe he's allowing someone to get in his face.

Don Quixote said...

Hey Tijuas, a while back you said that when "Jimmy the Weasel Fratianno" asked the EME to do a hit for him (Champ Reynoso), Reynoso planned to waste the Weasel after getting his "lana". Where did you hear that info at, very interesting.

Anonymous said...

I trip that you bring up "F" from San Fer, and I respect that you're not calling names in this one. I'm gonna keep my trap shut as well, but being from the SFV and having a little insight to the situation... I can say you got a pretty good source there.
Overall good post!

TijuanaJailer said...

Don Q:

Under normal circumstances, if I revealed my sources, I'm afraid I'd have to kill you (just a joke, Mr. DQ!).

Because she is deceased (sleeping pill overdose) I can tell you that it was his wife Linda who supplied this info (taking the down payment and then hitting Fratianno after checking him out). Footnote: Jimmy "The Weasel" was NEVER looked upon with much respect and has been described as a "cartoon-looking" character who "didn't get in anybody's way" in the joint.

It makes sense that Champ would seek to delve deeper into the "why" of hitting Brooklier or Sciortino (or any LCN figure for that matter) BEFORE taking on such an assignment? (There were already relationships cultivated in direct or indirect "activities" with LCN and much of these included contract hits).

What Champ did not know is that Fratianno was already talking to the feds. It seems that Champ's street sense kicked in and he agreed to take on the assignment (to Fratianno) while he looked to investigate this offer (by checking with Joe Morgan, who had a direct line to LCN people).

Before Champ could contact Joe Morgan (who himself was on the run and often took days to contact via his sister in San Pedro) to have Joe look into Fratianno, "The Weasel" mysteriously disappeared. We think he either became paranoid at Champ's inactivity or the feds intervened in a timely manner - or both.

Whatever the case, when Champ used his San Francisco contact (a paroled Chicano EME-associate) to maintain contact with Fratianno (to keep him on hold) while Champ waited for Joe to reply, Champ was advised that Fratianno was "in the wind".

I hope this quenches your thirst for information, DQ and I'm sorry I could not reply to you in one-syllable words or short-winded paragraphs.

Now I have a question for you: how did you know Robert "Robot" Salas?
There is much history on this dude and someone earlier described a crime figure as a gangster's gangster. That is precisely what Robot was. As for "Champ" (Robot's homeboy from Hazard), there's another hope-to-die gangster-turned-EME fed shotcaller.

Peace .............

Tijuana Jailer (AKA: The Hijacker)

TijuanaJailer said...

Gee, guys. You're killing us. First the clue is San Fer; now we progress to "F" from San Fer. Can I buy a vowel????

TijuanaJailer said...

P.S. - Don't listen to me this morning. I've had too much coffee.

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Anonymous said...

No vowels in his name... I gave the initial of his nickname... he's a known brother from San Fer so it's no secret, but still not my place to spill the beans, I wasn't raised that way homie... sorry... especially to the judas!

Anonymous said...

hey anybody hear about LE double taxing all the chicano rappers and sending solders on the street to collect?

Anonymous said...

[but still not my place to spill the beans, I wasn't raised that way homie]

You will be rewarded handsomely when you get to Homie Heaven. The Big Homie in the cielo will take into consideration that you only used the "F" word but did not "pull the trigger" to fill in the blanks.

Anonymous said...

There was reason behind only posting an "F"... not dry snitching or any drama like that. LOL, but funny... I was just letting the blogger know I understand who he's speaking of, and I respect that he chose not to name names... which I will not do neither.

R2K said...

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R2000

Anonymous said...

your all a bunch of bitches and ratas so stop trying to pretend like you got some street in you.

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Anonymous said...

LOL ... bitches and snitches, cops and lops. I like that, Anonymous.

Anonymous said...

calm down internet gangster

Anonymous said...

Hey TJ, here's a clue. "F" in english, or "M" in spanish. Don't stop thinking.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Rhymes with Lie! You're all retarded... Westssiiiiiide!

Don Quixote said...

Thanks Tijuanero, the way you describe the relationship between Champ Reynoso and the "Weasel" makes more sense now, also tells us something about the connection between EME and LCN. I can tell you that back a few years I had some camaradas doing time in Terminal Island at the same time Bill Bonanno was doing time there and there was an attempt at a business hookup after they got out. But I was told Bonanno was weak and hot as hell so they stayed away. They told me he was so pathetic that he and his family were doing business cleaning offices at night as janitors. What a fall for the "Bonanno Family"! Also my personnel history with "Robot" can be read in a previous post "Kilroy accident confirmed" he was a smart motherfucker and he would have been able to take the EME wherever he wanted, maybe he did?
con ganas ranas

Anonymous said...

I got it! damn, the vato sure has an old school placaso. firme!

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Are San Diego gangs and LA gangs rivals automatically because they are both surenos gangs

SD homie said...

dude you are a lame homie

Anonymous said...

"lame homie" is an oxymoron

Anonymous said...

A few years back Bill Bonnano was like a 100 years old que no?

sd homie said...

that should have been a coma,
lame, homie

Anonymous said...

ive heard on this site that for any eme action to happen it has to take three eme shot callers to approve it, so why is this one man gang able to walk around so heavy fisted, is he 7ft tall 400lbs

Don Quixote said...

No you him mixed up with his jefe "Joe Bonanno" who was one of the original founders of the five New York LCN families. Bill Bonanno is his son and probably now in his early sixties

TijuanaJailer said...

(AKA: The Hijacker)

To: Don Quixote ....
(Also my personnel history with "Robot" can be read in a previous post "Kilroy accident confirmed" he was a smart motherfucker and he would have been able to take the EME wherever he wanted, maybe he did?)

(WARNING: Clearing my throat for a long winded account)

"Robot", Joe Morgan "Mundo" Mendoza, Luis "Huero" Flores and Eddie "Sailor Boy" Gonzales flew virtually under the Task Force's radar in 1975 as they connected with Jesus "Chuy" Araujo (Mexican drug lord) to commence statewide heroin and cocaine distribution.

It was Mundo and Sailor Boy who first traveled throughout Califas to establish EME brothers paroling to various areas. In San Francsico, you had EME's Gilbert Santistevan, Gus Rivera, Manuel "Mapa" Lopez, and Roy "Sonny" Ballasteros in place; Juan "Choloton" from 155th resided in Sacramento; Manuel "Tati" Torres and Victorio Murrillo both lived in Visalia; Gilbert Roybal was in Fresno; several carnales were in L.A. and Joe "Colorado" Arias was already entrenched in the Colton-San Bernardino region.

Joe Morgan maintained Chuy Araujo and it was Joe, Mundo and Sailor Boy (using Don's Monterey Room on Whittier Blvd. in East L.A. as a meeting place and "front") who launched the EME's organized statewide drug activities in full scale.

Mundo also met with Alejandro "Hondo" Lechuga in Juarez, Mexico, who had a heroin pipeline going with "Huero" Flores into Hawaiian Gardens. Hondo also was an important EME contact for fugitives looking to escape LE scrutiny (he himself had escaped from the Folsom ranch and was wanted). In Juarez, Hondo owned a chain of souvenier shops called La Marquesita" that served as fronts for his drug operations.

Chuy Araujo had a consistent product (his heroin's grade was the same), arrived faster and the carnales went in that direction.

When Robot paroled from Folsom in 1975, it was Mundo who took him under his wing and brought him "up to speed" with the EME's street activities. Robot, an elder EME statesman, had previously taken Mundo under his wing when they were in San Quentin together.

Many EME homicides took place in 1975 with the brothers introducing themselves to the Chicano barrios in a rude way: sell our dope or die. The "hit team" of Mundo and Sailor was joined enthusiastically by Alfredo "Alfie" Sosa and the three combined for dozens of street executions, most of these remaining unsolved and over a dozen of these later solved.

Before the heroin began to flow freely, there was in incident that occurred which underscores what Wally refers to in his Post about how "politics" prevents EME from becoming organized. The EME egos are highlighted in this incident:

Robot was always a "take the bull by the horns" type of guy and this sometimes created temporary conflict. Take the 1975 ripoff of ten (10) barrels of "bennies"
from an L.A. dealer. Robot, Mundo, "Dangerous" Danny DeAvila, Robert "Wito" Marquez and Willie "Bobo" Gouveia were all in on the heist and all shared in the take.

Approximately an hour prior to the completion of the ripoff, the group were at an Echo Park motel discussing the caper and Robot announced that he already had a buyer for all ten barrels. He further stated that the proceeds would go into a "bank" for the EME and, of course, Ro would oversee the bank.

This met immediately with resistance. "Wito" objected, told Ro that he could do what he wanted with his portion but that he (Wito) had plans for his and so did the other carnales. Besides, Wito continued, "you're not in Folsom anymore and you don't run nothing out here". (This was in reference to Robot's attempts in prison to call the shots in contrast to the egos that were not about to take orders from anyone)

As the argument escalated, both Wito and Ro simultaneously went for their shoulder holsters (both were packing .357's) and Mundo stepped in, raised both hands like a traffic cop and told both of them that the dispute ended here. Diplomatically, Mundo announced that those who wished to take Ro up on his offer to sell their barrels and start a "kitty" or "bank" could do so and those who wished to do otherwise had that prerogative. The friction was diffused and the ripoff went without a hitch. Ironically, Robot and Wito later teamed up and they were affectionately dubbed the "Bobsie Twins".

It was Mundo who assumed the responsibility of EME's drug distribution (in EME circles, he had "the bag")and the fact that he was a non-user, as well as a ruthless organizer and executioner, made him invaluable to Joe and the bro's.

At that time, Mundo and Robot were BOTH non-users and both very influential whereas Joe was beginning to "chip" and admitted his weakness to Mundo and Sailor (Joe soon went on the lam on a drug possession warrant). Sailor and Huero Flores made it no secret that they looooved heroin.

But Mundo loved the "hit" detail a little too much and when he and Sailor were arrested in Bakersfield for the execution of two NF brothers, it was Robot who naturally assumed "the bag".

..... and the "hits" kept on coming. It was Alfie Sosa and cohorts who picked up a $10,000 contract on James Catrina, a Hayward bailbondsman whose office was across the street from the Hayward Police Department. Most of the proceeds was delivered to Mundo's attorney to assist in his and Sailor Boy's defense fund !!

Like all the newly paroled EME dudes, Robot was new to the drug game, and the LAPD Administrative Narcotics(ADNARC) team of J.T. Thomas and Baxter & Company succeeded in taking Ro down several times. This despite people in the fold manning scanners which preemptively warned Ro before a raid.

Robot and Sailor were reunited in January-1977 but Sailor rolled shortly thereafter and Mundo followed upon his subsequent release in March-1977. Mundo actually worked undercover from March until May-1978.

Robot would've/could've/should've taken EME to "greater (criminal) heights" had the egos been harnessed. The fact that Ro later became a hardcore heroin user may have affected his crediblity with his carnales. Who knows?

Blame DQ on getting my long winded butt going, guys. Also, I have a propensity for "sharing". Please don't hold this against me.

Peace ...........

Tijuana Jailer

P.S.- Sancha! A pitcher of lemonade, por favor.

Anonymous said...

Thats right, I got the son and father mixed up. Did they relocate to Arizona? They must be pretty weak as you stated for the govt. to hide Sammy the Bull in their backyard.

Anonymous said...

So whos calling the shots now?

Anonymous said...

does anyone have all the names of all the people they know of that are actively involved in any sort of crimes?

Anonymous said...

Just trying to confirm. Is this related to Nov 16 post - Collecting Under False Pretenses?

Anonymous said...

"does anyone have all the names of all the people they know of that are actively involved in any sort of crimes?"

I don't have alot of names to give up, but what I lack in quantity, I more than make up for in quality, here they go: Dick Cheney & Donald Rumsfeld.

Anonymous said...

must check the blog from nov. 16, 2004

Anonymous said...

Now that is funny?

Anonymous said...

Is there a web site that lists prison gangs in the U.S.?

Sancha said...

TJ, baby, you deserve some Jack in your lemonade...Here's to ya.

Anonymous said...

put some visine in it

Anonymous said...

Once again, TJ hijacked the post and spit the same shit. TJ, How many times have you put up this same post??? 12?

sd homie said...

homeboy spit the for real though

Anonymous said...

Some people can't handle the truth, TJ.

Anonymous said...

Great stuff, tj jailer. I won't ask who your source(s) are but I "feel" you and I hear you about the egos those guys have. You certainly have some in-depth shit which isn't found "in any library" that I know of!!!

Anonymous said...

All this info can be found in Mundo's new book, right TJ?

Anonymous said...

TJ --- You touch on topics that are volumes all to themselves. You may think you are "long winded" but you don't even approach the stuff that Robot led us to in 1975-77.

I am personally familiar with the crew (AD NARC) who took Robot down (along with Dennis Kanos) at his San Pedro residence. He was right around the corner from Joe Morgan's sister's home when he was taken down and in his possession (and similarly at the Kanos home)we found scanners used to monitor police activity.

There is much more that you don't touch on but ...... "hush hush and, stricly confidential". Your crew was great! Like a family.

Thanks for your invaluable assistance, TJ, and call me at the "Post" sometime.

KMA

Anonymous said...

Enough of the old stuff, we want to know current events, like the 2 riots that jumped off last month, and the supposed plot to take certain individuals with high ranking stauts?

Anonymous said...

Hey Tijuas, great post! I read comments on this blog at times dogging you for the historical facts you provide, and I can't comprehend why,maybe it's a generation thing? "pinches mocoso's que no sabe nada mas que el fundio"
But I feel that if historical facts are ignored there is no way anyone can understand what or why our current situation exists,keep it comming fuerte! And dealing with that period of time when the carnals growth and power was to me shocking due to the coertion and violence and treachery and rapidness of the changes that took place in the old order. Vatos were dropping like flies all over the place and I remember the platica in the "Chicano Daily News" and the confusion about the causes, "gang shootings","Juda hits",etc; and then the truth became apparent and nobody would say shit except statements like "Those guys, you know", or "The fellas did this or that", "so and so fucked up and got on the wrong side of somebody",lots of paranoia. And maybe you can shed some light on a still discussed and suspicious killing? Back in those days the people who controlled most of the drugs and were the connection of the conocidos in the northeast LA area were from the "Happy Valley" neighborhood, and they were old traditional drug pipelines, and at the time you describe when changes were happening fast one of the real firme vato's who was respected and liked by those who dealt in larger drug quantities due to his fairness and business acumen,was a vato named "JoJo Felix". JoJo was on his way to conduct some negocio in El Sereno and was by all accounts clean, no drugs,weapons etc; and was ambushed and killed by the Feds with automatic weapons on the side street at the "Brittany Inn",(The same club an OLd cop told me that Robot Salas had two soldiers shoot to death two innocent guys by mistake),.His killing really pissed off a lot of people because Jo Jo and his family were really respected and was considered an assasination by all the jente. The word on the street was at the time,that he was set up by rivals who wanted control and that JoJo's family wouldn't cooperate. The mitote was that he was intentionally fingered and described as armed and dangerous so as to be sure to be wasted by the Feds. All I know is that things changed quickly afterwards and the connections were somewhere else. Any thoughts or knowledge of what really happened in this mystery. Quid Pro Quo Tijuas!

Anonymous said...

Does Federal AB have more clout than Calif. AB? What about Eme. Do asyone see a day when the federal EME is stronger than Ca. Eme? Or are they still one and the same?

Sancha said...

No worries, TJ...those who don't remember history are condemned to repeat it. The little vatos need to know before they commit what the outcome is gonna be, because it's always gonna be the same...(okay, so I think I have a crush on TJ, what's a girl to do?)

Anonymous said...

Thats rigth! The youngsters are coming of age and its gonna get more violent and more dangerous! So if your scared go to church!

Anonymous said...

Hey did anyone watch that new show on fox last night called "prison break" they are trying to show the AB and the BGF in a diffrent light or something its pretty trippy Just looking for anyones take on it?

Anonymous said...

Prison Break premiered Monday night... last night was a re-run. Anyhow, the shit is 'pure' fiction and set in a Illinois penn... but still looking forward to seeing how the 'prison break' unfolds.

Anonymous said...

oh, ok yea thanks

Anonymous said...

WHAT HAPPENED TO yOUNG cROWD GANG 805 TRIGGER hAPPY lOCOTES 13?

Anonymous said...

i rememer young crowd

kicket loco said...

what about "Lmob" lynnwood southside mob

Sancha said...

I think I been hanging out with you vatos too long, cause I saw the tatoo schematic of the prison coming waaaaaaay before it showed up!

Anonymous said...

Sancha,
Que gacha, first you surrender to me, then don't come through with the spoils of war, and now you confess it was really the Tijuas Jailer you wanted to surrender to.
ya estufas para mi, I'm calling it a day and going to find someone else to conquer over drinks. All you crazy and not so crazy vatos (sancha too)have a good holiday! alrato

Anonymous said...

who says it will take wally another two to thrree weeks to post some news

Sancha said...

sheesh, throw me a bone, baby...a name, work with me. lol What kind of warrior are you, you don't want to fight for the conquest? lol have a good one everybody. Besides, you didn't like my lemonade...

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me. La EME will never reach the level of supremacy it enjoyed years ago. Personal greed has corrupted all the vatos heads and it is a free for all now. Just look at what is goin on in the Inland Empire. No one can get a grip on it. Not Tuddie, Slick Rick, nobody. The Feds are hitting hard taking down the Black Angels under RICO. The IE is a out of control. Today, the game is controlled by the cartels. They know how to run a business. That's why you see them rolling around in their Escalades and having "Fiestas" and "Rodeos" in Mira Loma. They know how to run shit.

Anonymous said...

Does anybody know of any Mongols that have recently been smoked. Whats up with their beef with EME. I was in whittier the other day at a local bar and their were several Mongol enforcers there, was wondering if anybody knows whats happening with them right now. I knew several members and been to several of their parties but was curious to see if anybody knows if their staying strong.

Anonymous said...

the mongols are getting punked every which way and running scared, and that's the truth. there's no such thing as a "Mongol Enforcer". that's a joke. they are way out of there league and they know it.

Anonymous said...

MONGOLS are all over the fukn place at CAMACHOS in INDUSTRY,the MUSE in PASADENA old town,and the HAVANA HOUSE n CLUB AZUL in ALHAMBRA,AMONG OTHER HANG OUTS! THEY ARE PUNKS ALONE,BUT THEY TRAVEL IN PACKS AND ARE SOMETIMES TO DEEP,THEY DONT FLY THEIR COLORS ANYMORE,THEY ARE SCARED,BUT DONT GET CAUGHT SLIPPN ALONE CAUSE THEY WILL FUK YOU UP AND YOUR LADY!!THATS HOW THEY ROLE SSSKKKANLESSS MOTHER FUCKERS!THEY RECRUIT VARRIO DROPOUTS AND GREENLIGHTERS FROM LOWELL ST GANG!!! EL SERENO LOCKE ST PUT THE MASHDOWN ON LOWELL ST AND BOOTED THEM OUT OF THEIR VARRIO
NOW LOWELL(GREENLIGHTERS)ROLL WITH MONGOLS AS WELL HAPPY VALLEY!!WHAT A SHAME!!

Don Quixote said...

Hey Tijuanero, that blog was from me regarding the Jo Jo Felix assasination, don't know why it came up anonymous

TijuanaJailer said...

TO: DonQuixote ....

(Hey Tijuanero, that blog was from me regarding the Jo Jo Felix assasination, don't know why it came up anonymous)

I think this incident will remain a mystery, DQ. We have many unsolved "mysteries" in the City of the Angels.

The Huntington Club was indeed the older club at that location and the carnales did in fact "open fire" on a group of Happy Valley homies who had some conflict with Alfie Sosa. Two victims were claimed on that day.

The 1975 Cutlass Supreme (mentioned in earlier posts in connection with Get Going Project) lost one of its hubcaps during the getaway.

Unfortunately, much of my input on this here blog is confined to historical information as I am a retired veterano myself. I think we all (myself included)welcome the "contemporary info" from the younger breed.

When the EME "Avenues" trial is completed, you will be receiving a new addition to the "buffet" which will get Tijuana Jailer rolling again so be advised!

As you, Sancha, KMA and others have suggested, there is plenty of interest in the history of these groups and I have had the privilege and pleasure to have tapped into "living sources" such as "Sailor Boy" Gonzales, "Mundo" Mendoza and other EME defectors for much of these details. Not only were they "there", they have an unbelievable and uncanny recall for detail (a song that was playing when a target was taken out, for example) that still gives me the chills.

You all can rest assured that when there is an opportunity to "hijack" a post or three (or "twelve") with related stuff - especially historical info - I will be there to "enlighten" those who need enlightening and to "piss off" those who have other agendas.

I believe that NO ONE has a monopoly on information on ANY subject and ALL contributions are like pieces of a puzzle: when the puzzle is complete, you have one lucid picture which would have been impossible to complete without EACH piece.

Pray for the Katrina victims, Happy Labor Day to all and above all, enjoy a ton of:

PEACE !

Tijuana Jailer

Anonymous said...

Thanks Tijuas, I get the picture and I appreciate what you had on the conflict,I can read between the lines and figure it out for myself, but it's funny how behind some almost forgotten incident theres still sometimes a thousand other stories that are related and still current.
On other matters what's going on in Highland Park? I here there's body counts on the street that are pretty surprising, Mostly Avenues being lost, is this the old beef with the "Highland Park" vato's?
con respeto

loko said...

hell yeah right now the avenues are dropping like flies over here

Anonymous said...

Highland park vs. Avenues or what???

Anonymous said...

hay whats up tj jailer my name is prinsess and Im robots niece, you seem to know alotabout my uncle It would be an honor to speak to you. please email me @ unkl_robertz_prinsess@yahoo.com thank you

Anonymous said...

Highland Park vs Avenues, its all about the money and dope trade, hidden behind the old rivalry. When a homeboy falls, its going to be behind the money and taxing. Who's collecting vs. who's not supposed to be collecting. Unfortunately, some of the older warriors are going down, like R.M.

Anonymous said...

who the fuck is rM?????

Anonymous said...

Ronald McDonald

The Juda said...

A slight correction on previous info. Mara Salvatrucha originated in El Salvador not in California and formed as MS 13 in the Rampart area of LA. It's origins are from the Mara gang in it's original country. The 13 is their claim on sureno status. 18th street are their enemies. info only.......

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Anonymous said...

Hey! you wear a sign on your back and let everyone know who you are! When you see Mongols tell them who you are! See whats up!! It's true some bikers trip!! but not all mongols! Most know how to respect. Those bikers who know how to respect are old school! Me being a biker (not a 1%er) have seen some of you hoods acting fucked up and tuff when you vatos have a grip of hommies with you! So don't act like your not a bully!! I know sorenos and I know mongols!! A Chocano who knows how to respect gets respected!! You seem to trip on those members who are from luell and happy valley but their are alot of Mongols who are from different barrios who still get respect from their old barrios, because those Mongols know how to respect and those certain Mongols do not prey on the weak. I have seen home boys attack bikers before and the bikers took care of business! I am not saying the hommies can't take care of their own, but alot of you guys punk out too! I grew up in the barrio. You can't blame most of the Mongols Nation for that piece of shit that leads them. If a vatos goes biker what's wrong with that! The Eme & Mongols always had respect for each other until that punk who leads them fuck up the democratic system they use to run by. The Mongols who fuck with the weak are ex gang members! what does that tell you about the gangs!! You say luell and happy valley are punks! But those small gangs have still lasted! Think about what you are saying! If the Mongols get rid of the piece of shit that leads them, I feel the Eme and the Mongols will get along again and restore their relationship like familia. The mongols never acted like a gang, Until that punk ass leader of theirs got in. Most Mongols don't want a war with the eme. Not because they are scared but most of them feel they are familia. This must sound crazy, but I bet the big hommies in the system must have triped out when this situation got out of hand. To end this statement I would like to add we are Raza and all we are doing is putting ourselves down. If the eme wants to tax barrios handle it like a business and initiate a commision of leaders with greenlighter who don't pay and share the wealth, in the long run everyone makes money. Once again i know both sides and the solution is get rid of the mongol leader and life will go back to normal (I don't mean do a Jimmy hoffa on him but get him out of that club and let him walk around, let everyone punk him like he deserves, the way he fucks with people).

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Anonymous said...

The real reason these people will never become anything more than nickle and dime hustlers, is because the Mexican mind has not evolved like most humans. It's like wondering why a fern can't compete in a spelling bee!

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Anonymous said...

can you still claim the sur 13 if your not a gang member

Anonymous said...

"The Mongols Don't fly their colors anymore" and "They aint shit unless their in a pack" That shows me what a FUCKIN LAME you are! Do you see the EME/Carnales/Cholos walking around or going to club with a jacket on that says "EME" or "Carnale" Dont be a Fuckin Idiot!

Another thing calling each other out and getting all puffed up on the computer is Fuckin Stupid too! Were not in high school and this aint no game. We all have familia in The Mongols and EME. Whats best for all is to work out something that works for both orginizations! War just cost a lot of money, people, and puts a lot of attention on both parties. Use your Cavesa smart business is good business and theres enough business for everyone!

So now lets look at the root of the problem, DIC!

1. He takes control over the club by recruiting Verdes and surrounding himself with these Putos (Not Brothers)Because he's scared and knows if he's caught by him self, its over!

2. All this beef was started because Demon from Pico Rivera (Bitch) who wanted to score points with the Carnales by tryin to start a tax on The Mongols. He didnt like Dic and hated his son also, Fat fuck Rubes. It turns out he was right not to like them!

3. Dic had a chance to handle this mother fucker, he didnt so that was seen as weakness!

4. He had the chance to be a great leader and do the right thing and sit down with some Carnales, he didnt!

5. He lied to all The Brothers and said we aint payin shit! But went behind The Brothers and paid!

6. Dues went up to $500.00 a month! A lot of The Brothers dont have good jobs and have familias of their own. It was to pay "legal costs" and to "maintain the clubhouse". It was to line his pockets!

7. Dic and his puto son both have new homes, home improvements, low riders, choppers, pimp strippers, etc....Thats a lot of cash for a guy who makes $30,000.00 at his job after taxes maybe $25,000.00. Hint (IRS).

8. Fox news channel 11 Dic is CAUGHT on tape running away from The Mongol/ Hells Angel conflict! Leaving the national President to get shanked! What was Dics job at the time? He was the National chapter seargent of arms (that means his JOB was to protect the President, Not run!) Fucking Chavala!

9. He claimed to be connected with the Aves. Let just say I know "BIG DOGGE" from the Aves, Guess what? He's fuckin lyin again!

10. Mel Gibson has met with Dic cuz he's doin the movie about the ATF agent who was undercover in The Mongols. Guess who's keeping the money. Wake the fuck up! Its gonna make him millions!

This mother fuckin Puto is no good. Any of you Surenos want points with the "Big Doggs" these are the vest you want: Doc/Rubes/Al/Monstro/Chikis!

The Brothers know this is their problem and that everyone is outside looking in. The question is will this be handled before the damage is to great! I have faith that a real 1%er Brother will stand up to the plate and right a wrong! But it has to be done the same way Dic gets everyone out of the club. He calls all of his Puto bitches to gang up on one Brother to kick him out. Well Bros turn it around on him! Call (ALL) the ex-members who he kicked out and (ALL) the Real 1%ers and swoop up on him and his bitch as crew!

Love and Respect

Signed - Lucifer(Devils Advocate)

Anonymous said...

What can you, or any one tell me about Alejandro "hondo" Lechuga? ...... And the supposed night club he ran? is this true? Can someone give me some info?

Anonymous said...

any one know who the current leader of eme is