IT'S OVER.
After a little bit of snooping, people in a position to know are claiming that the kites are saying the riots are over. At least for now. From several usually reliable sources, the start of the all the trouble was a San Fer shot caller currently in High Power waiting for his case to go to trial. It was all a pure power move to check the blacks, flex his muscle and keep tight control on the flow of dope and money into County. This was a total County thing and had little to do with homies in the state system. Which is not to say that it has nothing to do with them. Somebody, probably more than one somebody in State, is backing this shot caller's play. The move would have been a hollow threat if somebody in the State system hadn't promised to check whoever got put on the lista once they hit the state system. The message to resisters and blacks was loud and clear. Don't mess with M or you get ass-kicked and stomped.
Think of it as a strategic move to consolidate business in County into one large monopoly. Black free lancers and independents will now either have to think twice about doing business at all or just knuckle under and buy from the one source that either controls all the supply or taxes it.
I hate to drag politics into all this, but sometimes it needs pointing out. Some of the ugliest fallout of the riots came from politicians and activists. Earl Ofari Hutchinson and Najee Ali went on TV at the height of the violence and essentially accused Tony V. of being either racist or race biased. Earl said something to the effect that if Hispanic inmates were getting beaten, Tony V. would be up in arms and shouting for peace. But because the victims, were black, Tony kept quiet. This sort of comment underscores the absurdity of "ethnic" leaders and race politics. Tony V. may be a lot of things, but he ain't racist. The notion that black gangsters will obey you because you're black, or that Hispanics gangsters will somehow snap to attention because the Hispanic mayor yells at them is farcical. Maybe it hasn't dawned on Earl Ofari that some problems are beyond the power of politicians and well-intended activists to fix. Which brings us to the next item.
That $26 million a year LA pays for gang intervention and diversion is going down a big drain. All that money has apparently not been able to get one little homie to leave the life and go straight. City Councilman Tony Cardenas was reported in the Daily News saying, "We've been wasting a lot of money in this city. Because we have a lot of gang intervention and prevention programs to deal with these people and for us not to have success with one is just beyond me." Read about in the Daily News, 2/18/2006. It's a sad commentary when a guy on the city payroll comes to a realization that's been common knowledge for years to every 16-year-old with a spray can. Dude, have you checked your programs? Do you know who's running them?
Wednesday, February 22, 2006
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I understand what you mean when you say there are good dudes "slammed up" over some bullshit. I have a friend who was in the joint that "slammed up". Another dude from his same varrio brought to the attention of some guys in the joint that his dad may have been in a buster. Now my friend's dad has done alot of time and I heard when he was younger he might have "got down" with the Northenos because he was in a joint where they had the power so he either rolled with them or died. Nobody except my friend's dad knows for sure because he told my friend(his son)that he "hit" some surenos, then he said he hit northenos(kinda like a double agent hahaha). Well anyways my friend's dad is in his 50's my homeboy was 22 at the time of these accusations. Well because of this they hassled my friend so he had a choice "slam up" or die. The guy who made these accusations is an aspiring "member"(his brother is one)and from what I have heard I think he has become one to. Well anyways the guy brought all this up because he had beef with my buddy on the outside over just some ball breaking nothing major. The weird thing is my friend's dad grew up and lived right across the street from a made member(long standing member, like 20 years) and he never jammed him up. My uncle told me this 12 years before this situaton with my friend even happened, so this stuff about his dad helping out the busters was pretty well known in my varrio. I always thought they never did anything to my friends dad because first off he was a loco and second they considered it an act of survival and as long as it wasn't made into a big deal they acted like it never happened. The messed up part is my friend didn't even really tak to his dad and didn't know about his past history. Well since then my homeboy got out and moved out the neighborhood and is basically an outcast.All this over some guy not being able to handle being made fun of. That is too bad but, just like in a legitamiite office where slanderous remarks by a co-employee can cost you your job "in the mix" slanderous statemaent can cause for an early retirement.(By no means am I condoning "slamming up" I am just sharing a "varrio tale" hahahha)
"Youngster with Game"
Racial violence grows in youth system.
A month of rioting that has left two dead and hundreds injured in the Los Angeles County jail system has spread to the county’s juvenile halls and probation camps, officials said Wednesday. In recent months, three racially motivated riots have occurred at juvenile centers, including Saturday at Camp McNair in Lancaster, said County Probation Officers Union spokeswoman Barbara Maynard.
Union officials believe the escalating violence is being directed by the same gangs that have been behind the Prison Riots violence in the county’s adult jails and state prisons.
“The prison groups like the Mexican Mafia can call the shots all the way down to the juvenile halls and camps just like they do in the jails,” union President Ralph Miller said. “The power of these Prison Gangs has only increased, and it’s going to get a lot worse.”
Nearly 50 juveniles were involved in Saturday’s riot at Camp McNair, which is part of the Challenger Memorial Youth Center complex and houses violent juvenile offenders in an open dorm setting.
One male juvenile was hospitalized and several probation officers received minor injuries, Maynard said. After the incident, 32 juveniles were put in lockdown in a special housing unit.
Charlene Vartanian, acting bureau chief for Residential Treatment Services Bureau, said the department has asked the Board of Supervisors for additional staff to help quell the violence and returned 15 youths involved in the riot to court for violating their probation.
SA MADRE!
ive been there we always punk the mayates anyways
,,,,,,palm hall darkside,,,,,,well alot of these youngsters dont really know tho cause of people being pcd up its a problem thats happening everyday threw out the system'everyday good mother fuckers are being put in the hat,so once your in the back'everything changes,thats were the 25ers come in and recrut all these killers,and beleive child molesters also get wacked in our yards,they are all kept in 1 yard,so i speak from what i know,CHINO CENTRAL 2002 birch hall INMATES PLOT 6 ASSULTS WICH 4 OF THE VICTIMS WERE STABBED MULTIPLE TIMES,ALL VICTIMS WERE FROM MADRONE INMATES WAITING FOR CANTEEN..assult was carried out by 6 25ers,and 2 maravilla gang members,who were all waiting for medical........palm hall...walk alone,,,,,
Hollenbeck,
I saw Dirty a few days ago. I was a little disappointed.
First off, it was obviously a wannabe combo of Training Day/Falling Down (And I think they even had some of the same Puerto Ricans playing Mexicans that were in Falling Down..)
It seemed like some of the Mexican gangsters toward the end were authentic, but what was up with their fortress with the Dia De Los Meurtos play thing going on, with those kids? Anyone from East Los wanna ellaborate on that, or concur that you were just as freaked out by it as this white boy? That shit made little sense.
Cuba Gooding Jr. couldn't have tried harder to be Denzel's character in Training Day if he'd at some point yelled, 'King Kong aint got nothin on me!' Just weak. The gangster role is not suited for him (on either side of the law). I was not convinced, at any moment.
Clifton Gonzales Collins (Whatever his name is now, we agreed in here sometime back that we'd call him Clifton Gonzales..lol), was good. He saved this picture. Well, he actually brought it up from horrible to mediocre. An ex gangster turned cop, who cursed in Spanglish a lot. (sound familiar? Oh yes, I was thinking about a few people in here while watching it..)
I also didn't like the whole 'whodunnit' twist at the end. A story in this setting is intersting enough by default, it doesn't need to turn into a sequel of Clue. I was hoping it would have been narrated more concisely, similar to Lord of War.
Thumbs down. This movie is no Training Day, American Me, Boyz In The Hood, Deep Cover, or Colors. If you hold it up to any of these movies, you'll be highly dissapointed.
p.s.
I heard the director of this film made a movie a few years back about Richard Ramirez, and it was basically a horror movie; Lots of special effects, similar to the ghosts Clifton Gonzales was seeing in Dirty. Anyone know of it? I'm betting it's pretty fucking sick, considering who it's based on.
p.s.s.
Interesting stories about the recent riots. I can allready see the title of Wally's next post:
"...IT'S NOT OVER"
YEAH I AGREE...IT COULD OF BEEN BETTER,EVERYTIME CUBA SAID,"CUZ"..
I LAUGHED!..LOL!! THE WHOLE MOVIE COULD OF BEEN BETTER...AND YEAH THOSE KIDS WITH MASKS LIKE DIA DE LOS MUERTOS,I DIDNT GET IT AT FIRST,BUT WHERE THEY FILMED THAT PART AT,THERE IS A SALON WHERE PEOPLE THROW PARTIES,SO I WAS THINKING THE KIDS WERE PART OF A PLAY...BUT I LOVE THE CONCEPT! WATCH THE NEWS,THEY CAUGHT SOME REAL LIFE EX-COPS THAT WERE BURNING PEOPLE INSTEAD OF UPHOLDING THE LAW,THEY STOLE 50 KILOS FROM DEALERS....THATS WHY WHEN I SAW THE MOVIE "DIRTY" IT REMINDED ME OF THE STORIES THAT ECHO'D ON THE STREETS,AND WHOULDNT KNOW...NOW THEY FINALLY RELEASE IT TO THE PRESS!...IM SURE THE STORY IS GONNA GET BETTER,BUT AINT THAT A MOTHERFUCKER!REAL COPS!SQUAD CARS!THE WHOLE NINE YARDS,JUST TO RIP THESE DRUGDEALERS OFF!NOW THATS GANGSTER!THATS WHAT YOU CALL ORGANIZED CRIME!ANYWAYS BACK TO THE MOVIE,IT HAD A SIMILARITY TO RAFAEL PEREZ WHEN HE TOOK THAT COKE FROM THE EVIDENCE ROOM.
THEY SHOULD REMAKE THE MOVIE AND MAKE IT BETTER,IT HAS ALOT OF TRUTH TO IT!
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
yes i know,BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!..LOL!
Hey I caught the news last night about the cops and ex LAPD cops out commiting crimes and not paying for sushi!
And if I'm not mistaken one of them was the ex Rampart Division cop "Palomares" who was ripping off drug dealers, doing street assasinations, and other robberies, and got busted just a couple of years ago. Why is this same guy out of the pinta already and preying on the public again?
Did he ever do any time for his last bronca or did he cut some kind of deal? Someone's got egg on their face!
And just a rumor I heard from a family member who is a strongarm Sureno enforcer for the "big Homies" when he's torcido, which is most of the time, but he tells me on the QT that supposedly the recent pedo in the joints contra the mayates, was, besides a signal to the mayates that they better get in line with everyone else and pay respect to the "Mero Homies", that it was also a payback and "tip of the hat" to the pinta "Correctional Officers".
Supposedly there has been a series of attacks on the "Bulls" in various pintas by the Maya"s and even one Jura was stabbed to death at "Chino" by the "East Side Crips"
The word is that the "Bulls" gave a pass to the "Sur" to put a whipping on the Negro's in retaliation for these attacks on CO's.
Quien Sabe?
YUP,THAT COP WAS A RAMPART OFFICER,AND HIS "ORGANIZATION" WAS WIDE SPREAD THROUGH OUT THE COUNTY,
THE STREETS WOULD ECHO OF SUCH RUMORS AND STORIES,IM SURE THATS WHY SOME PEOPLE HAVE A EVEN BIGGER DISTRUST WITH THE LAPD,IT'S BAD ENOUGH THEY ROLL LIKE THIER BIGGEST BADDEST GANG AROUND (REFFERING TO THE G.E.D's ONLY) BUT
FOR THE AGENCY TO ALLOW FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HAPPEN IS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO THE REAL POLICE OFFICERS!BUT THATS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU LET POLICE OFFICERS ACT LIKE THEY CAN FUCK ANYBODY UP!SOME OF THEM DONT KNOW WHEN TO STOP AND GET WAY OUT OF HAND,BUT IT ALL STARTS WITH THAT MENTALLITY THAT THE ANT-GANG UNITS HAVE,THEY SEEM TO THINK THAT THEY ARE BEYOND THE LAW ITSELF!
BUT I WILL ADMIT THAT THOSE OFFICERS ON REGULAR DUTY HAVE AN ATTITUDE THAT ALL POLICEMEN SHOULD HAVE,THOSE AND EVEN THE TRAFFIC ONES TREAT YOU BETTER,THEY DO THEIR JOB AND CONTINUE ON WITHOUT
GIVING YOU ANY BULLSHIT!BUT YOU KNOW WHAT...I THINK I'LL STOP RIGHT HERE!I DONT WANT TO BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! TO MUCH!!...BUT HEY BUDDY...DON Q... I HEARD SOMETHING
SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU SAID,AND IM SURE SOME PEOPLE HERE ARE GONNA SAY ITS ALL BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!..LOL!
BUT IN REALITY...LIKE I SAID,SOMEONE ALWAYS HAS TO MINE SOMEBODY ELSE! WHETHER ITS RIGHT,
OR WETHER IT'S WRONG! OH WAIT!!..
YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT DOC/LASO IS EXLPOITTING THE YOU KNOW WHOSE..LOL!!THE OLD SCRATCH MY BACK AND I'LL SCRATCH YOUR BACK ROUTINE?
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
OH YEAH.... ONE MORE THING!
HAVE YOU GUYS SEEN THE MOVIE
"911 IN PLANE SITE"? IT TALKS ABOUT A CONSPIRACY AND THINGS THAT ARE UNEXPLAINED,DONT KNOW HOW MUCH OF IT IS FALSE,BUT ITS REALLY PRETTY GOOD....IN YOUR SEARCH JUST PUT..
911 IN PLANE SITE.
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
some one mentioned earlier do gang in ventura county like oxanrd camarillo,moorpark, somis,santa paula etc pay taxes? Just curious im from ventura county but live in sacramento now. what about sureno gang in northen cali?
there is a grip of southsiders in sacramento
Well? No one was on the blog making comments today, except 1. Was everyone watching the Academy Awards? If not, you will read all about it tomorrow. Here are the winners:
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Best Supporting Actor: George Clooney, Syriana
Visual Effects: King Kong
Animated Feature: Wallace & Gromit in the Curse of the Were-Rabbit
Short Film (Live Action): Six Shooter
Short Film (Animated): The Moon and the Son: An Imagined Conversation
Costume Design: Memoirs of a Geisha
Make-Up: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
Best Supporting Actress: Rachel Weisz, The Constant Gardener
Documentary Short Subject: A Note of Triumph: The Golden Age of Norman Corwin
Documentary Feature: March of the Penguins
Art Direction: Memoirs of a Geisha
Original Score: Gustavo Santaolalla, Brokeback Mountain
Sound Mixing: King Kong
Original Song: "It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp," Hustle & Flow
Sound Editing: King Kong
Foreign Language Film: Tsotsi, South Africa
Film Editing: Crash
Best Actor: Philip Seymour Hoffman, Capote
Cinematography: Memoirs of a Geisha
Best Actress: Reese Witherspoon, Walk the Line
Best Adapted Screenplay: Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana, Brokeback Mountain
Best Original Screenplay: Paul Haggis and Bobby Moresco, Crash
Best Director: Ang Lee, Brokeback Mountain
Best Picture: Crash
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It's amazing; the winners
include, a movie about gay cowboys(love), a movie about prejudiced cops and terrified citizens, (love), a movie about a gay writer(love),
a movie about Asian women who are exploited by men(love),
a movie about a country western singer, who was a jerk and his wife who "just wanted to matter."(love), a movie about a giant gorilla and a woman(love), a movie about hip-hop(love), etc.
The best song is about a pimp! and the group who sang it is "3 6 Mafia".
What a diversified mixture of our culture,
brown, white, black, Asian, gay,
pride, prejudice, hatred,
love, etc.
The movies and the people who made them received an award and cudos for their fine works. (and were paid a lot of money)!
I know there is a lot of talent out there in our streets and I think everyone has a story to tell and a talent to develop.
Why don't you all try to use your God-given talents to create instead of destroy!
How can you go to sleep at night with such hatred in your heart?
Time to invest your hard earned droga $$$ on developing yourselves.
Get off the streets!
Get a life!
Quit filling up the jails
so that all we have to read about is riots between bl-br, sur-nor,
M-N, LE, AB-BG just talk about it as part of history, not current events.
Ludacris/gangsta-rapper/actor? Hustle and Flow/Hip-Hop/Pimps/Academy Award? Go figure. Boggles the mind!
All you taggers out there could be set designers and painters.
All the commentors could be writers of poetry, fiction, non-fiction!
All you shooters, join the military.
Let's start a movement!
What do you say homies, hynas, sanchos, sanchas,
Raza, MS, Crips, Bloods, Surs, Nortes, etc?
Instead of the city, county, state and feds making and taking all of our money to pay for correctional facilities and inmates and CO's,
let's EARN MONEY FOR OURSELVES! Pay back taxes to where they help everyone, not just the big homies, they will always be taken care of.
It could all start right here at Wally's World.
Respect to all!
Wife of Inmate at a CCI and tired of it!
FYI! MUST READ
Many welcome effort, but others criticize harshness
Megan Blaney, Staff Writer
San Bernardino County Sun
Manuel Rivera is a homeowner with a steady job, four children, and a perspective that few in his middle-class San Bernardino neighborhood share.
He is a former gang member who served time in the early 1990s for stabbing someone outside a San Bernardino gas station. After he was released, he turned over a new leaf.
But if a proposed law, one that imposes a minimum sentence for gang-related crimes had been in effect when he was imprisoned, his transformation would have been impossible, he said. He might even still be behind bars.
"Who knows where I'd be now?" the 30-year-old said. "Lost, hopeless, committing other crimes in prison, if I hadn't had the opportunity to change my life around."
But others, especially law-enforcement officials, praise the bill's strong stance on gang crime.
The federal bill, titled the Gang Deterrence and Community Protection Act of 2005, was passed by the House of Representatives in May and is expected to be considered by the Senate Judiciary Committee this year.
Advocates have termed it the "Gangbusters" bill, lauding its tough provisions as the panacea to the region's gang affliction.
In addition to minimum mandatory sentences starting at 10 years to life for gang-related crimes, and the death penalty for gang murders, the bill allows the attorney general to prosecute 16- and 17-year-olds as adults if the alleged crime is a felony.
The bill aims to deter crime by enhancing gang and violent-crime penalties, creating new gang-prosecution offenses and authorizing increased federal spending to coordinate efforts between law-enforcement agencies.
Another bill, sponsored by Sens. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, also aims to combat gang violence throughout the country. It has not yet been voted on in either the House or the Senate, and has been in the Senate Judiciary Committee for months.
The Senate bill called the Gang Prevention and Effective Deterrence Act includes money for fighting gangs but has only one mandatory minimum sentence. It also allows a judge to decide if a juvenile should be tried as an adult. The bill would make it a crime to recruit a juvenile into a gang a provision that is absent in the House bill .
If each bill is approved by both houses, it is possible they could be combined and the differences between them ironed out, said Scott Gerber, spokesman for Feinstein.
Many law-enforcement officials and Southern California governments embrace the anti-gang legislation, citing a need for forceful solutions to increasing gang violence.
Southern California has more than its fair share of gangs. San Bernardino is ranked the 18th most dangerous city in the nation, and Los Angeles is notorious for producing gang members who end up all over the country.
"Gang problems are getting worse all over, not just in San Bernardino," said Lt. Barbara Ferguson of the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.
Sheriff Gary Penrod was not available for comment, but Ferguson said he supported the anti-gang legislation.
"We like the mandatory sentencing provisions," she said. "Otherwise the judges will sentence inconsistently throughout the country. When you have mandatory sentencing there's at least a minimum sentence."
Rep. David Dreier, R-Glendora, voted for the House bill, which passed by a vote of 279 to 144. Dreier favors the House bill because of its stronger language.
"We have got to get tough on these criminals and send a clear signal violence will not be tolerated and it will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law," he said.
Rep. Joe Baca, D-Rialto, acknowledged there are valid concerns about the bill but said its strict provisions equip law enforcement with the necessary tools to win the war against gangs.
"We have to crack down even though it may be tough," he said. "Are we going to allow someone to commit a crime and get away with that?"
Baca bucked the trend of many California Democrats in the House who voted against the bill.
"My decision was not based on party lines. It's about who can help (San Bernardino) and who's willing to help the city," he said.
The bill was sponsored by J. Randy Forbes, R-Va. Reps. Jerry Lewis, R-Redlands, and Buck McKeon, R-Santa Clarita, whose district includes Victorville and Barstow, also voted in favor of the bill.
Law-enforcement agencies also threw their support behind the increases in anti-gang laws and penalties.
Each bill allocates resources to improve communication among federal, state and local agencies.
The House bill authorizes money for 94 additional federal prosecutors. The increase in federal resources could positively affect Southern California communities, officials say.
"If this passes, that's one more tool for fighting crime," said Rod Cortez, deputy district attorney in San Bernardino County's hard-core gang prosecution unit. "It strengthens it so both agencies (the U.S. Attorney General's and District Attorney's offices) are able to come down on these gangsters."
And in Los Angeles, where gang crime accounted for about half of the 487 homicides in 2005, the anti-gang legislation was well-received by the Police Department.
An LAPD spokesman, Lt. Paul Vernon, formerly ran a gang unit. He said any attempts to deter gang crime are welcome.
"Intelligence is so important. We need to know who the players are so when crimes occur you can solve them. Sometimes you can even prevent them by predicting them," he said.
Vernon said coordination between the agencies is imperative as are programs aimed at preventing kids from joining gangs.
"The unfortunate reality is that L.A. is an exporter of gangs all over the country," he said. "The big link that's missing is the nonlaw-enforcement intervention and societal support."
Ramon Ramos, pastor at Victory Outreach Church in San Bernardino, agreed.
The best way to fight gangs is to keep children from joining them in the first place, he said. He disagrees with the harsher punishments set forth in the House bill.
"Laws like this, it may deter some people, but I don't think many," Ramos said. "The real gang members, they don't care."
Former gang member Rivera also works with Victory Outreach. He credits the organization and God for helping him turn his life around.
Under the provisions of the House bill, Rivera would probably still be serving a 20-year sentence.
Instead, he visits local youth detention centers and preaches the virtues of the straight life in the hopes of helping kids find "the right road."
Rivera said the strict sentencing would rule out any incentive for incarcerated juveniles to go straight.
"They definitely have no future if you give them that sort of sentence," he said. "You're basically giving them a life sentence."
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H.R. 1279 would:
Allow the U.S. attorney general to prosecute 16- and 17-year-olds as adults if the alleged crime is a felony. No judicial review would be required.
Authorize the expenditure over the next five years of $250 million to create gang-enforcement teams consisting of federal, state, and local authorities, $37.5 million for 94 additional federal prosecutors to try cases in high-intensity gang areas, and $100 million in grants.
Create a national gang intelligence center to be administered by the FBI.
Expand the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act the law that calls for strong sanctions against organized crime to prosecute gang crime and interstate murder.
Designate new criminal gang offenses, reforms and enhanced penalties.
Increase the minimum mandatory sentences for illegal immigrants who commit crimes of violence or drug trafficking.
Heighten scrutiny of illegal immigrants and increase the sharing of information between the attorney general, the national crime information center and the secretary of homeland security about illegal immigrants involved in gangs.
Create mandatory minimum sentences for crimes associated with gang activity that include:
Life imprisonment or death if a gang crime results in the death of any person.
30 years imprisonment for kidnapping, aggravated sexual abuse or maiming.
20 years imprisonment for an assault that results in serious bodily injury.
10 years imprisonment in any other violent crime.
The Gang Prevention and Effective Deterrence Act
Sponsors: Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., and Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah
SB 155 would:
Authorize $762.5 million over the next five years to support law-enforcement efforts against violent gangs.
Make it a crime to recruit a child into a gang.
Create one new mandatory minimum sentence for firearms or narcotics-related offenses.
Designate new criminal gang offenses, increase penalties for violent crimes and propose reforms for prosecution of gang members.
Facilitate federal prosecution of 16- and 17-year-old gang members who have committed violent crimes subject to a judicial review.
Authorize the attorney general's use of grants to fund technology and training for prosecutors and to create and expand witness- and victim-protection programs.
Authorize the attorney general to designate high-intensity interstate gang areas and expand the Project Safe Neighborhoods program.
This just in! For those of you interested in the AB case. I was up late,
thought I would help you out TijuanaJailor.
Aryan Brotherhood targeted in one of largest capital cases ever
By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer
Last Updated 6:03 pm PST Sunday, March 5, 2006
SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) - The inmates had to heat the letter to draw out the message, written in invisible ink. When they did, their orders were clear.
Within hours, prosecutors say, members of the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang sneaked into a nearby cellblock and killed two black inmates with handmade shanks as part of an order to "go to war" with blacks.
The deaths are two of the 32 murders and attempted murders detailed by federal prosecutors in a sweeping case against the Aryan Brotherhood, a violent white supremacist prison gang that has infiltrated nearly every federal and state prison since its beginnings in San Quentin in 1964.
Prosecutors hope to dismantle the gang - nicknamed the "Brand" - in a series of trials that together make up what's believed to be the biggest capital murder case in U.S. history. Of the 40 men initially charged, as many as 16 could face the death penalty for crimes that reach back 30 years.
Prosecutors are pursuing the highly organized gang with a racketeering law originally passed to target Mafia leaders - a tactic recently used with some success against other prison gangs in California and Texas.
"We're looking at this huge list of charges, and I'm unaware of any other case that's even close to this," said Dean Steward, attorney for Barry "The Baron" Mills, a lead defendant.
Opening statements in the trial of Mills and three others are scheduled to begin March 14 in federal court in Santa Ana. Mills and another alleged ringleader, Tyler "The Hulk" Bingham, face the death penalty in what could be a nine-month trial.
Four more defendants are set to go on trial in Los Angeles in October; court dates in California are pending for the remaining men. Nineteen of the 40 defendants struck plea bargains, and one has died.
The 140-page indictment against the gang alleges a web of conspiracies to murder fellow inmates who offended gang members, cheated them on drug deals, failed to comply with the orders of leaders or snitched to prison authorities. Prosecutors, who declined to be interviewed, spent six years compiling evidence and relied on informants for much of their case.
Court documents suggest that patient gang members waited months to carry out the violent tasks ordered by their leaders, passing information from prison to prison and member to member using friends and spouses on the outside, corrupt prison guards and notes written with invisible ink.
In one case, for example, members of the Aryan Brotherhood allegedly spent a year planning the murder of Richard Barnes, the father of a fellow gang member who had testified against the gang. Members funneled his address and firearms to someone on the outside, who shot him in the head in 1983, according to court documents.
"This has the potential of being incredibly damaging to the brotherhood," said Joanna Mendelson, an investigative researcher with the Anti-Defamation League, which tracks the Aryan Brotherhood. "They rank among the most organized, systematic gangs in all the prison system."
Mills, who faces a number of charges in the current case, has already been convicted of luring another inmate into a recreation shack at a federal lockup in Atlanta in 1979 with the promise that he would get a new tattoo.
Instead, Mills nearly decapitated the man with a handmade knife - his punishment for cheating the brotherhood on a drug deal, according to court documents.
Mills, now 57, went on to become a founder of a three-member group that prosecutors say ordered and approved murders carried out by gang members or aspiring members. He is currently serving two life terms for the 1979 murder, which is detailed in the indictment as part of the government's racketeering case.
Mills, Bingham and the others going to trial have pleaded not guilty.
"The reality is, federal penitentiaries are violent and dangerous places and all of these guys - white guys - are a small minority and they're just trying to survive," Steward said.
Civil rights groups that monitor the Aryan Brotherhood say highly disciplined gang members managed to communicate frequently, despite 23 hours a day in solitary confinement.
Accused members often acted as their own attorneys and subpoenaed other brotherhood members to testify, allowing them to pass messages in court through hand signals and code words or slip messages into legal files, said Melissa Carr, an expert on the gang with the Anti-Defamation League.
Some gang members write messages to outside helpers using coded alphabets or invisible ink made with their own urine, she said, while others pass tiny messages on a string, called "kites," from one cell to another when guards aren't looking.
Experts say prosecutors will face challenges in their push for death penalties - particularly because nearly all the victims were convicted felons and many defendants are already serving long prison terms.
"The jury says, 'Well, these people are in prison already and if they kill other prison inmates, who cares?'" said William McGuigan, a defense attorney who has worked on several Mexican Mafia cases. "They aren't outraged like they are if the victims are ordinary citizens."
Oh Yea! That's just what will fix the gang problem, stricter longer sentencing, build more jails, put these young gangsters on trail as adults at 16 and 17 yrs old. Shit why not 12 and 13 yr olds?
Spend all this $$$ on the justice system and prisons ?
Hell yes! JUst look at the tremendously successful "track record" this kind of punitive action has accounted for! More Jails now! It's a great boon for the economy, and looks good for knucleheads like Rep Jerry Lewis who is not only one of the chief spokesman for the "prison building industry complex" but a real butt buddy of that other "hard on crime" AMerican hero "Randy Duke Cunningham", last seen crying big crocodile tears on TV after getting 8 years for taking lots of mordida a la madre!
Yea brilliant ideas and real fresh too huh! More joints, more inmates, less crime, what bullshit!Why not spend the money on things like more and better "boys and girls clubs, places where these young kids can have some fun, someplace where they can go after school and learn positive people skills, summer camp, funding for educational programs, maybe trade schools for the construction industry, drug intervention, etc;
Why does the answer always have to be a reactionary and negative solution to a situation where harsher sentencing hasn't worked yet!
Shit at the current growth rate of incarcerations, in 10 or 20 years we'll all be in the pinta!
Shit at the current growth rate of incarcerations, in 10 or 20 years we'll all be in the pinta!
Were already there ese! All these gangsters, killers, levas, southsiders, nortenos, bulldogs, Bloods, Crips, chesters, rapists, putos, etc etc coming off SHU'S, sny's, level 1, 2, 3, & 4 yards, and even HIV yards are paroling to my neighboorhood and if your anything like me, yours too. They aren't paroling to rich neighboorhoods like trukos's. they paroling to a ghetto near you.
growing up in the ghetto you meet the same characters you'd meet in prison.
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welcome to the Ghetto!, AKA
The CA. Dept. of Corrections Farm League
A lot of pedo, alot of info and alot of fuckin masa! shit we all know the status wars have started. A class above another class will eventually come to blows and in this instance its an all out war on the true working class. If you're kid gets caught snorting the same crack as the kid in beverly hills or some hollywood stars kid and gets it as an adult and the other two ass wipes get probation and community service and you still blindly follow the current trend and say its the ghetto people, "YOU'RE A BIGGER ASSHOLE AND DESERVE THE SHIT".
Cops going off killing people streight out takeing a persons right to choose mind fucking you about the war and shit fuck it, we get what we vote for.
dont get mad cause my dad is better than yours and got me out of the ghettto....lol
trukos said...
dont get mad cause my dad is better than yours and got me out of the ghettto....lol
Well there's a typical lame-assed statement from the little hypocrite! What a spoiled brat. His old man ought to send him back to the varrio to learn some respect.
Herein lies a great example of how "you can take the kid out of the shit, but you ca'nt take the shit outta the kid".....
Hey man what's with the hard on for lil Trukos? Seems like a good kid to me,he's only 17 and in the "learning to live right mode", I can't recall one thing disrespectful or travieso that the kid has ever said, it's seems only truthful. Why don't you try and add something positive, if are you 15 years old or younger then I can understand the hostility as being a kids rivalry or some Norte-Sur pedo your into otherwise quien sabe?
Man that little motherfucker trukos just pissed me the fuck off.look what happens when people move out the hood because they "think" it is best for them and their family. Man I think it is all bullshit, look at this kid he comes running his mouth how he is better because he got out the hood. Growing up out in the ghetto teaches you how to respect and have courage, because if you don't your ass will get taxed. Your dad should bitch slap your little dumbass!!!!
don quixote said...
Oh Yea! That's just what will fix the gang problem, stricter longer sentencing, build more jails, put these young gangsters on trail as adults at 16 and 17 yrs old. Shit why not 12 and 13 yr olds?
Spend all this $$$ on the justice system and prisons ?
No shit. And, don't forget, it's done so much to curb gangs in the past...
Q-VOLE HOMIES MY NAME I SNAPPER AS SOME OF YOU KNOW IM A SOUTH SIDER LIKE ALL OF YOU. BUT WITH JUST A LITTLE HIGHER RANK..I WANTED TO SROP A FEW LINES OF FACTS OF WHATS GOING ON WITH ALL THE RIOTS BETWEEN THE SOUTH SIDERS & THE NIGGERS..LET ME START BY SAYING FIRST OF ALL...THE BIG HOMIES UP STATE WHO CALLED THIS WAR FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS...
1) WHAT STARTED THIS SHIT ALL THIS SHIT WAS THE 50 CENT (G-UNIT) VIDEOS & MOVIES TRYED TO MAKE US LOOK LIKE FOOLS!!SO IF YOU CALLED YOURSELF A SOUTH SIDER YOU SHOULD SAY FUCK 50 CENT G-UNIT ..
2) THE KILLING OF A LITTLE GIRL BY THE EAST SIDE CRIPS IN LA.
3) WHEN THE RIOTS STARTED THE NIGGERS ALONG WITH SNOOP DOGGY DOG RATING ON THE SOUTH SIDERS.
4) TOOKIE WILLIAMS WAS NEVER A FRIEND IF THE MEXICAN RAISE HE WAS BLACK BGF GENERAL (ONE OF THE SOUTH SIDE ENIMIES) RESPONSABLE FOR THE KILLING OF MAKE 10 SURENOS
SO REMEMBER THIS IF YOU GOT A BROTHER OR BOYFRIEND OR HOMIES WHO IS LOCKED UP AND IS FOR SURE PUTTING IT DOWN FOR THE SOUTH...THINK ABOUT THIS BULLETIIN NEXT TIME UP PIT SNOOP DOGGY DOG, 50 CENT & G-UNIT..ON YOUR PROFILE. REMEMBER THEY ARE BLACK & PROUD AND WE ARE BROWN & PROUD.
ALSO THE BLACKS ROE WITH THE BUSTERS...SO IF YOU LIKE THE BLACK POWER THEN GET THE FUCK OUT!!!...AND GO ROE WITH THEM BUSTERS..BUT IF YOUR BROWN & PROUD LETS STAY TOGETHER...ALL THIS SHIT WILL ALL BE OVER SOON..AND 50 CENT & SNOOP DOGG OR G-UNIT AND THE REST OF THE NIGGERS WILL REMEMBER NOT TO MESS WITH THE BROWN AGAIN!!!!
AL RATO
SNAPPER
LA COUNTY
SOUTH SIDE LOVE
UNTIED WE STAND!!!!!!
SOUTH SIDE GANG BANGIN
roe, roe, roe your boat gently down the stream.....
Q-VOLE HOMIES MY NAME I SNAPPER FROM SOUTH EAST LOS AS SOME OF YOU KNOW IM A SOUTH SIDER LIKE ALL OF YOU. BUT WITH JUST A LITTLE HIGHER RANK..I WANTED TO SROP A FEW LINES OF FACTS OF WHATS GOING ON WITH ALL THE RIOTS BETWEEN THE SOUTH SIDERS & THE NIGGERS..LET ME START BY SAYING FIRST OF ALL...THE BIG HOMIES UP STATE WHO CALLED THIS WAR FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS...
1) WHAT STARTED THIS SHIT ALL THIS SHIT WAS THE 50 CENT (G-UNIT) VIDEOS & MOVIES TRYED TO MAKE US LOOK LIKE FOOLS!!SO IF YOU CALLED YOURSELF A SOUTH SIDER YOU SHOULD SAY FUCK 50 CENT G-UNIT ..
2) THE KILLING OF A LITTLE GIRL BY THE EAST SIDE CRIPS IN LA.
3) WHEN THE RIOTS STARTED THE NIGGERS ALONG WITH SNOOP DOGGY DOG RATING ON THE SOUTH SIDERS.
4) TOOKIE WILLIAMS WAS NEVER A FRIEND IF THE MEXICAN RAISE HE WAS BLACK BGF GENERAL (ONE OF THE SOUTH SIDE ENIMIES) RESPONSABLE FOR THE KILLING OF MAKE 10 SURENOS
SO REMEMBER THIS IF YOU GOT A BROTHER OR BOYFRIEND OR HOMIES WHO IS LOCKED UP AND IS FOR SURE PUTTING IT DOWN FOR THE SOUTH...THINK ABOUT THIS BULLETIIN NEXT TIME UP PIT SNOOP DOGGY DOG, 50 CENT & G-UNIT..ON YOUR PROFILE. REMEMBER THEY ARE BLACK & PROUD AND WE ARE BROWN & PROUD.
ALSO THE BLACKS ROE WITH THE BUSTERS...SO IF YOU LIKE THE BLACK POWER THEN GET THE FUCK OUT!!!...AND GO ROE WITH THEM BUSTERS..BUT IF YOUR BROWN & PROUD LETS STAY TOGETHER...ALL THIS SHIT WILL ALL BE OVER SOON..AND 50 CENT & SNOOP DOGG OR G-UNIT AND THE REST OF THE NIGGERS WILL REMEMBER NOT TO MESS WITH THE BROWN AGAIN!!!!
AL RATO SNAPPER
LA COUNTY
SOUTH SIDE LOVE
UNTIED WE STAND!!!!!!
TO SNAPPER SOME OF IT TRUE SOME ITS NOT I SEEN THE SAME SHIT IN ANOTHER BLOG THE FACK IS WE WILL NEVER REALLY KNOW ALL WE HAVE ARE WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS AND WHAT SOME VATOS COMING OUT ARE SAYING BUT THEY DONT REALLY KNOW WHATS GOING ON ALL I KNOW IS IT IS TRUE 50 CENT DID GET ALOT OF HOMIES MAD WE ALL KNOW THAT I ALSO HEARD A HYNA GOT SHOT LIKE TO DAYS AGO BY SOME MAYATES IN CHULAVISTA AND I KNOW OF SOME HYNAS THAT GOT SHOT IN LA BUT DONT KNOW FOR SURE IT THAT WAS WHAT STARTED IT.
PINCHE SNAPPER MAMON
SO WHAT KNOW WE SUPPOSE TO RSPOST MR SNAPPER LOL
fuck g unit anyways and snoop puppy dog i think they do have a connection to the riots.
Youngster With Game
Like you said .Your friends dad did what he had to do to survive at the time.Your friend shouldn't have to pay the price.
That bring up a question.I know more than a few vatos that have moved down south and I never really kept in contact with them afterward.Do you think it's possible for a Norteno to move his family down south and not catch any pedo?I know obviosly if you keep to yourself and be a family guy and don't try to bang or whatever , but there's always the chance of some younster hitting you up "where you from' or the fact that not all tatoos can be hidden."Retired Joker " any input?
What did 50 cent do to piss off south siders?????
San Jonero,
Well I figure if you came down to Southern Cali to get away from the gang banging then if you got hit up you would just tell him "I don't bang". I am sure a guy who is trying to get out of that life would have no problem swallowing his pride for his future goals. Also you shouldn't be dressing "down" if you don't want any problems. Another thing they got programs for rehabilitating gangsters who want to remove gang tatts for free(I think only ones that you can see though).
sorry I didn't hit myself up, that was from
"Youngster with Game"
chale' i have only offred my insight, i told you when i moved here i had a tartget on me, because im from southern cali, so when i got here they already didnt like me, so dont tell me that i dont know whats up i catch heat everyday just because of where i moved from, and i am very respectful to others, i think you just have a chip on yopur shoulder for something
San Jonero,
I really don't trip nor do people around me trip. I've been legit for a while and I don't dress nor act the part unless you cross me is the only way you would even know I came from the streets.
My job and location (Orange County) doesn't really keep me in the mix with southsiders. I lived in Westminster for a few years but now I live in Tustin and you rarely see any hardcore Sureno's around here. Even when I do see Sureno's they just look like Cholo's I used to see in San Jo back in the day and we can bullshit and have a few beers. No big deal.
Thats the tripp thing, man. Theres no much difference between L.A. Surenos and San Jo Nortenos. You guys dress and talk the same (yes, lots of Nortenos talk like mayates but not when I was there in the 80's and early 90's and not in San Jose, East bay and San Fran do talk like mayates) So to me, its no big deal, I'm color blind anyway. (metaphorically speaking)
Although my girlfriend's family is from L.A. and her brother is 26 and lives in Silver Laker and they have family in Huntington Park and when I visit, him and his homeboys don't trip. I tell them I used to live in San Jo and how things were back in the day but I'm a different generation and they don't trip. For the most part, most Southsiders has never seen a Norteno on the street and I don' think they even care. They worry more about other varrios than a lone ex norteno walking around with his familia.
You treat a man with respect then he will give your respect no matter what your history has been, well, at least thats how I live my life now.
At 35, I'm too old for that shit. Life is too short to hold grudges against strangers. Party hard, love strong and work hard, thats my motto now.
Youngster With Game
I think you mistook my question as as an insult to you when I said a " some youngster might hit you up " I didn't specificly mean you .I meant any youngster in general bangin his hood.Anonymous you don't have to be "dressing down" to get hit up.You could be wearing blue jeans or a pair of plain kahki's and a white T shirt and get jammed up.If I moved down south and just trying to be Joe Shmoe I wouldn't be flammed up in all red and sporting a Nebraska hat.
thats true, i dont go around wearing blue and talking crazy, but i still get hit up, because of the way i talk and the way i walk, they know i aint from here, its just like that, some of the first people here i befirneded talked to me and we hit if off and kick it sometimes, but its because they were from texas, dallas, one day one of those vatos made a comment and i laughed and another vato laughed but that was it nobody else got the joke, it was because thats how we talked, by the way the joke was a dude that kicks it with us from so cal he is really dark, and the homie from texas said, damn i never seen a mayate sweat before, and we all laughed but not the vatos from the north they didnt get it, so there it is there take it how you want
I see Latino's wearing red all the time down here and nobody trips on them but if you see Dodger cap up north there will be some dogs being thrown.
Obviously the vibe down here is different. In So Cal you have varrios set tripping all the time whereas in the bay area its more of a north and south thing.
Norteno cities or hoods that were once rivals have all banded together to battle the "Surenos" on the calles.
You could go to the swap meet in So Cal and wear a UNLV Hat or Nebraska shirt and no one would even trip on you, for the most part. But lets say a vato from Culver City has that city on his hat and goes to Venice, there would definitly be some chingasos or worse.
Hey man what's with the hard on for lil Trukos? Seems like a good kid to me,he's only 17 and in the "learning to live right mode", I can't recall one thing disrespectful or travieso that the kid has ever said, it's seems only truthful. Why don't you try and add something positive, if are you 15 years old or younger then I can understand the hostility as being a kids rivalry or some Norte-Sur pedo your into otherwise quien sabe?
THE LIL VATO CLAIMS TO BE POSITIVE AND THEN DISRESPECTS NORTENOS. iF HE'S GOING TO DISRESPECT, HE SHOULD JUST CLAIM SUR AND QUIT SITTING ON THE FENCE TALKING SHIT. HE'S A WANNABE SURENO LIKE YOU DON Q.
TRUKOS, MY JEFITO WAS IN AND OUT OF PRISON, NEVER WORKED, BEAT MOMS AND US, WAS ALWAYS HIGH, AND EVENTUALLY CUT OUT. HE PUT MY FAMILY THROUGH HELL. THANKS TO HIM, I LEARNED TO SUFFER.
LA VIDA LOCA IS NOT ABOUT HAVING FUN, DRIVING NICE LOWRIDERS, AND FUCKING SEXY HOODRATS. ITS ABOUT KNOWING HOW TO SUFFER IN DOG RUNS AT CORCO, ITS ABOUT HOW TO SUFFER IN THE SHU FOR OVER A DECADE LIKE THAT SAN DIEGO CAT LEON.
LIFE IS HARD WHEN YOUR LOCKED UP IN SOLITARY FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME. YOUR LEFT WITH NOTHING BUT YOUR THOUGHTS. IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF SENSE, YOU'LL REALIZE LIFE IS PASSING YOU BY WHILE YOUR IN A CELL. THATS HARD TO SWALLOW AND EVERYONE CANT HACK IT.
STICK TO THE YUPPIE KIDS IN YOUR NEIGHBOORHOOD AND SCHOOL, THEY SEEM TO REALLY ENJOY LIFE, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THOSE SEXY GIRLS IN YOUR HOOD, OOPS I MEANT ENCLAVE.
Down here it is not all about colors but, even though I ain't banging I still don't wear red, it is just something I been instilled with. Even when I was hanging out in the neighborhood all the time if I didn't recognize someone I would hit them up but, just to see why they are here, what their name is and where they stay. That is a homeboy's job, patrol your neighborhood. Not everyone is on the gang banging, southsider tip, there is alot of casual Raza who are not into the whole gang banging thing. So alot of homies can make the distinction if someone is banging, if somone is minding there buisness why hassle them? I try to stay fime with all Raza but, I know you have to respect someones else's varrio. See it is hard to explain a situation or a way to act because it just comes natural to me. I have been brought up with street morals and know how to act in a varrio and how to treat a person weather they be a gangster or a casual person. You got to realize someone might be a gangster or casual but, they are a man first. So "you treat people like you want to be treated" and you treat a man with respect.
"Youngster with Game"
Anonymous said..."the joke was a dude that kicks it with us from so cal he is really dark, and the homie from texas said, damn i never seen a mayate sweat before, and we all laughed but not the vatos from the north they didnt get it,"
They more likely chose not to laugh because they didn't want their Black freinds to hear them.
You've gotta let this go.
Those of us that are from Northern California, even those of us with no gang ties, are going to continuously correct anyone who tries to make it sound as if Mexicans born and raised up here are oblivious to the traditional, pachuco lifestyle, and went basically from farming to sagging their pants. Such assertions neglect about 40 years of Nuestra Familia/Norteno gang history.
Script, I agree with you and see your point but Northern and Southern California is almost like two different states. Even White people in both parts of the state act differently.
As do the Chicanos. How do I say this without getting attacked by everyone...hmmm.
I'll just say that most chicanos in the bay area are 3 and 4 generations being born and raised whereas a large percentage of latinos that migrate up north have just moved to the country or maybe 1st generation. A large percentage of Chicanos or Mexican Americans that are teenagers now, don't speak spanish. Its just been lost of the last 3 generations, don't get me wrong not everyone is like that.
Those culural differences and indenties are minor but huge at the same time. Take for instance the word "hella". I hate that word but heard it all my life growing up and moved down here and never heard it and didn't realize it was a bay area thing.
Most of the younger generation of Nortenos don't speak spanish and wouldn't understand the subtle "Mexican" centric jokes or even stereotypes between different latino groups, IE, Cubano, Puerto Ricans, Central Americans and how they are racist to one another with stereotypes of nationalities.
At the same time there is rich pachuco history in San Fran and mostly in San Jose, having some varrios that are 3 generations old. El Hoyo Palmas and Varrio Horseshoe are the oldest Varrios in the bay along with San Fran Mission (SFM). Even to this day, if you walk into those varrios you won't find any homeboys talking like Mayates or driving hot rods. Straight up Creased Bens and 64 Impalas with 520 baby gangster white walls and 14" Daytons or Zeniths.
I will admit, I'm a bit embarassed to see these youngsters calling each other Nigga. Damn hip hop generation and MTV!!!
hey im sorry your pops didnt do you right, but that aint my fault, i dont plan on being jumped into a gang because thats fuckin stupid, but where i live know people here know i moved here from L.A. and always want to challenge that, i dont go around talking shit, i was disrespected the first day i set foot on this soil here, so dont tell me about sitting on the fanece, people like you telling me not to sit on the fence turn weak minded people into joining gangs and being a thug. Im smarter than that, if the need be I will RIDE! but it aint come to that, I have uncles from Tepa in los and alot of family I go visit there every so often. so i know what goes on, homie I think you just cant handle hearing some one who is smart enough to not make stupid decisions and be around to tell of it, especially in your back yard. so homie its the truth, i just comment on what i see. gotta go my Dad is calling me we are working on my car, while my mom is making dinner, sorry i dont know how to explain that to you.
As a Sur Califas resident i have followed my beloved Dodgers and Lakers on road games up north.And noticed things i have never seen any were in LA area.First thing i rember is the hair that the Nortenos were with the pony tail or whatever that is. I herd this means you have booked a Sureno. I know this is bs beacuse they all had this. The other thing is you feel like you went back in time 20 years i seen Norteneos with hair nets and those black rubber band the rucas used to were in like 1979.Although i have never been to the pinta some of the sterio types seem to be true as far as them being in the slow lane.Some other thing i noticed white people seem to be vary racist against Mexicans up there some hyppie bitch at Candlestick park called me a beaner not to my face but i herd her. That shit does not happend down hear. Although i am not naive to think white people dont think this way. They know they are fucked if they talk that shit down here.We went into some liquor store before Dodger game at Candlestick flying blue colors and started talking with some vato who worked there from Norwalk who moved there. And he thought we were crazy for wearing that shit the hood looked like a black ghetto but ther were a lot of raza there it was weird but nobody said shit to us all weekend.
This trukos punk is nothing but a fucking lop, first he tells a poster that his dad is better then the posters and then talks about respect, please pinche lop, and yeah it would be don ensimoso coming to his side huh. Hey truckos be trucha look who your becoming, but hey, thats what you may aspire to. i know one thing vatos like you always end up having to prove their manhood some where down the line in this life. And as i see it you're going to reach down for a dime one day and BAM!! seis pulgadas de verde will be analy inserted in your dumb ass, just ask dq, que no ese.
Hey trukos what's for dinner? donkey dick, nah huh, moms already munched that shit down quick! que no. Hey don't forget to put alot of mayo on you wonder bread, if thats really mayo [wink wink].
I guess i better ask moms, huh.
opps shes busy right now, sorry vato, guess the maya next door gets first dids.
chale' fuck you homie, lets go me and my padre y tu and yours, oh wait yours left your ass, i dont have to give respect to someone who is acting like your ass, i aint no punk homie, why are you all mad, you dont know me, i dont know you, i dont give a fuck about you ese, you keep talking shit to me, i havent said anything that you didnt throw towards me so you can get on with all that masa, i know who i am and i am proud of it., not everybody has to bet a gang member or a pinto to be tough! SEE YOUR THE IGNORANT ONE, you dont know me so stay off my dick ese!,
ARATO!
ARATO!
you vatos are the lames, you are the ones coming at me sideways, so back off putos, see this is how you talk about respect, that poster is the one who brought up his dad and you all look down on a family that has all the components, your grown ass men talking shit to me, its all good though im not mad, not much i can do over the interenet but, you busters needs to calm down, and go buy a tupac t shirt, sorry don q had to throw that in there
"Although i have never been to the pinta some of the sterio types seem to be true as far as them being in the slow lane."
The pony tail you speak of is the Mongolian Pony Tail. They typically will shave thier head and just leave a "knot" in the back of their heads and grow a small pony tail.
The dude at the liquor store probably thought were crazy for not wearing blue but because it was the Dodgers. I remember at old Candlestick there used to be tons of fights between Giants and Dodgers fans no matter what the race. Hated Rivals!
I don't know about being in the slow lane, when it comes to Chicanos, L.A. hasn't changed much whereas alot of bay area kids have adopted a more Hip Hop look where L.A. Chicanos still keep that old school cholo look.
Remember, the Bay Area had the first latino rappers, forget about Kid Frost, Dark Room Familia was there was doing it first with a cat named Sir Dyno.
The whole "Fo Shizzle" Snoop Dog thing wasn't even invented by him the phrase was first coined by a artist from the East Bay named Mac Dre who died from gunshots.
So you may think the Bay is in the Slow Lane but do some research and you will find they are in the fast lane when it comes to most things. Hands down, L.A. has gang life that is not matched anywhere in the US but when it comes to Latino Rap, Dj'ing, Graffiti or even Poets, the Bay has been doing it for a long time.
Bay area Dj's has won the World Battle of the Dj's for quite few years. No L.A. DJ can make that claim to fame. Google Dj Qbert and Mix Master Mike of the Beastie Boys both from the bay area.
The Club scene in L.A. is nothing compared to the night life in San Fran. So I know thats bit off topic but it goes the bigger picture. The relatively smaller numbers of gang members in Norte Califas is due to fact they are so spread out and there is a somewhat underground latino culture that young chicanos are part of. Hip Hop,Art,Music, Graffiti. More things for them to do, less gang banging I guess.
Just my honest opinion though. :o)
yea it is still amazing though, how all those surenos are up there banging on all those nortes, and you hardly ever see any norte gangs in southern califonia, mongolians, sagging red dickies, dirty fubu jerseys, yea you guys started all that, and hey Snapper are you the rapper snapper?
yea you got more faggots over there too
I don't know man, West Hollywood and Laguna Beach sure do have a lot of jotos!!
I BROUGHT UP THE JEFITO THING AND THE VATO CURRENTLY TELLING TRUKOS HOW IT IS IS SOMEONE DIFFERENT THAN ME. YOU PENDJEOS ACT LIKE THERE'S ONLY FIVE OF US HERE.
i DON'T NEED YOU TO EXPLAIN SHIT ME TRUKOS. I HAVE MY RUCA AND LIL ONES, PARENT TEACHER C0NFERENCES, SOCCER GAMES, MOVIES, VACATIONS, BIRTHDAY PARTIES , AND AS MUCH LOVE FROM ONES FAMILY AS ANYONE COULD ASK FOR. I WONT EVEN GO INTO ALL THE PRIMOS, PRIMAS , AND VARRIO GENTE WHO LOVE ME AND WOULD SHOW UP AT MY CHANTE CUETE IN HAND READY TO RIDE IF I CALLED THEM ( THEY KNOW I'D NEVER CALL, RATHER HANDLE IT ALONE OR WALK AWAY). I THINK YOU MISSED MY POINT WHICH WAS THAT ITS EASY TO THINK YOUR A RIDER WHEN YOUR NEIGHBOORHOOD AND HIGHSCHOOL ARE SOFT, YOUR MOMMA TUCKS YOU IN, AND PAPA KISSES YOU GOOD NIGHT.
THE MOFOS WHO WAKE UP HATING LIFE READY TO SMOKE THE FIRST FOOLIO TO LOOK AT THEM CRAZY DONT LIVE NEAR YOU OR ATTEND YOUR SCHOOL. IM GUESSING SOME OF THEM MIGHT TAKE OPFFENSE AT YOU DISRESPECTING THEIR GANG. GOOD LUCK DUMP TRUCK o'S. I leave you and this other vato to your business.
to retired j.
DJ this and dj that so fucking what! i traveled through sf last year headed up to gualala. and yes you're right they do have poets and djs and caca and faggots and fog so fucking what. Until they can get a handel on the super prejudiced shit going on up there al that masa means shit! yeah we got all that shit here to, BUT its wispered here no fucking gava will ever talk shit live one on one up here in the "LOS" you know it.
and all that shit about dyno was nuestra familia shit, and you know what carlos santana was from there and guess what he's married to a tinta, yeah thats right a fuckung tinta!! and as always a hardy "FUCK YOU AND YOURS" to mocos, or trukos or whatevers.
What are you vatos talking about? Superior racist shit? Did know you have more Skinheads in So Cal than in most places? If anything there are less racist Gava's up north due to their super liberal ways. The friggne ACLU practically lives in San Francisco.
Please back up your comments with facts not heresay.
Its pretty ignorant to say everyone is racist when you heard one white person say Beaner. Trust me, white people everywhere think it.
But I expected my post to garner criticisms but its all good, blogs are just forums to exchange and learn, right?
"The whole "Fo Shizzle" Snoop Dog thing wasn't even invented by him the phrase was first coined by a artist from the East Bay named Mac Dre who died from gunshots."
Try again you freakin sack of lying shitzzle!!! That form of slang was first introduced to popular culture by no other than the "Double Dutch Man" Frankie Smith in his 1980 hit song, "Double Dutch Bus". There homie, I just blew your cover as a fucken norteno nuthugger/cheerleader. So fuck you and Mac Dre! Mac Dre probably died of gunshot wounds for trying to steal Frankie Smith's slang, LOL. So you better watch your back or you'll end up just like Mac. Oh, and don't try to say Franke Smith is from the Gay Area, cause he's from Philadelphia you bustizzle!!!
Hey "Lil Trukos"! Why even respond to that "Mr. Anonymous" clown? You make your comments and thoughts known in a clear, concise, and respectful manner and you stay proud of being from LA., you being only 17 years old are light years ahead of this sinverguensa that's being disrespectful to you.
He's the same satiro that gets off sticking his fist up some other dudes fundillo, so shine it on and stay above that caca.
Hey RJ I read your comments which are always informative but I have to take exception to your feeling that in the LA area spanish is the dominant language of the vato loco's. It's funny but I remember being castigated many times by vato's from Texas or New Mexico for the use of English by LA loco's.
There are many who spoke and speak "Spanglish" often and Spanish at home, but absolutely English was and is the predominant language of the LA Chicano culture.
And without sounding critical RJ, I always encountered a predjudice and provincialism from the Northern California people of all races towards LA, whereas in the LA area there was a "who cares attitude" people seemed to be oblivious to that.
Being a DOdger fan all my life I often saw Giant fans at Chavez Ravine who were very vociferous and were not hassled at all unless they got in someones face. But I was at a Dodger-Giant game some years ago with a couple of my wifes cousins who now live in the bay area, we were wearing are Dodger blue and got all kinds of hostility. After the game we were leaving our seats and some knuckle head came up to us and spit beer in one of the Primos face! Of course Primo not suffering fools knocked the pendejo out cold as ice with one right to the jaw, 'a huevo"! They SF security then took us into the stadium pinta for a couple of hours and tried to blame us cause we were wearing DOdger hats, and started with a bunch of caca like "you LA mexicans have attitudes, etc; etc:" all bullshit but we finally walked.
"the Bay Area had the first latino rappers, forget about Kid Frost, Dark Room Familia was there was doing it first with a cat named Sir Dyno"
Damn homie, you lie more than Bill Clinton!!! Kid Frost has been rapping since wayyyyy back in the late 70's alongside Ice-T out here in the San Gabriel Valle and all over the L.A. area. Your homie Sir Dyno was still shitting in his huggies back then. Neither Frost nor Ice-T gained any national notoriety until Ice-T hit it big on the "Colors" soundtrack and Frost followed suit a few years later in 1990 or so with his "Mexicano Causing Panico" CD. Get a clue homie, next you're going tell us that your idol Barry Bonds gets his strength from eating ballpark peanuts.
I think this page is over.
R2K
Bathrooms
Rockets
Better poets and djs? Who gives a fuck.
I'm from the Bay Area . But I gotta agree with the other homeboy.Sir Dino's mom was still changing his pampers when Frost came out with This is for La Raza.check the copywrite homie your talking like 1988-89.that would make Sir Dino about 9-10 years old.But I do have to disagree about Colors making Ice T famouse he was already pretty famouse on the L.A . scene check out a little movie called Breakin'
Chingado lla valio puro pinche verga!! So this is what this new generation is coming to? Who gives a fuck about some fucken black rappers? and fuck kid frost too, he got himself into a wreck, now hes walking around carrying a bible. fuck Barry Bonds and the Giants! Puro DODGER blue, tu sabes.And its all about the Doo-wops and oldies but goodies. by the way, si eres mexicano, no tengas verguenza y hables en espanol. Pinches chavalones running around all smoked out on that crystal, I'll gladly take a tecato todo tecatote or even malias, over a fucken chavalon mayatero tweaker scared of his own shadow any day of the week. orale Raza ay te miro, chamiro.
yea, i know well i thought this blog was about the happenings in LOS ANGELES, so the snorte input is not needed
Don,
I didn't say spanish was main language of L.A. vatos, I said it was from Surenos who moved up north. I agree with you, that most L.A. cholos speak english first.
I can remember the so called Mexican Surenos the migrated up north. The would make fun of Chicanos calling them "Mexican Amercians" and that they lost the roots to their culture and on the other side of the coin, Norteno's would point out that they were proud to be mexican-americans and would eventually call the border surenos "wetbacks" and "Mojados".
Its more of a culture clash gang war up north when it comes to North against South, at least on the calles. In the pintas its whole different story.
Darkroom Familia members have been around since the 80's, perhaps not Sir Dyno himself but the other members have been rapping since the 80's.
Ice T was not rapping in the 70's but he was a leather clad spikes wearing rapper in Breakin in 1984. In the 70's he was hustler and pimp, or least he says he was.
Double Dutch never said Fo Shizzle, it was another black slang that mayates had been using for years. "Double Dutch" slang has been around since the 70's. Fo Shizzle and these new terms are a deritive of it but definitely different.
Who cares about rappers and Double Dutch transit. That vato from HG who blasted the sheriff deputy is on trial.
NORWALK — There is more than sufficient evidence to order an accused gang member to stand trial for the murder of a Los Angeles County Sheriff's deputy, a judge ruled Wednesday.
Norwalk Superior Court Judge Philip Hickok made his ruling following three days of testimony from witnesses some defiant and others terrified who are connected to the June 24 slaying of Deputy Jerry Ortiz. Jose Luis Orozco, a 29-year-old parolee with an extensive criminal history, is accused in the gang investigator's death.
Prosecutors allege Orozco killed Ortiz after the deputy tried to stop the gang member while investigating a shooting that occurred four days earlier. In that incident, the victim identified Orozco as the triggerman after looking at a photo lineup brought to his hospital room.
When Orozco ran from Ortiz down an alley around 3 p.m. on June 24, the deputy gave chase, tracking him to an apartment complex in the 12200 block of East 223rd Street in Hawaiian Gardens. It was the same apartment building where Orozco had been arrested a year before.
Most of the witnesses called to testify over the past three days were reluctant and many admitted they were afraid to speak in the high-profile case.
Several were relocated from their Hawaiian Gardens' homes through a witness protection program and Judge Hickok asked that the witnesses' last names not be printed or broadcast by media, a request the Press-Telegram chose to honor.
Among the witnesses called to testify on Wednesday was the man Orozco allegedly shot on June 20.
That man, who asked that his entire name be withheld because he fears for his life, said he was working on fixing up a friend's home on Joliet Avenue in the heart of Hawaiian Gardens when Orozco walked up to him and offered to sell him drugs before pulling out a gun.
"I told him, 'I don't mess with speed."'
The victim who is black and who said he is a former gang member said he turned to go back in the side yard when he noticed a glint of metal from a handgun. The victim described using one of his arms to block Orozco as the defendant pulled the trigger and a bullet whizzed by the victim's head.
Shot in the shoulder
A second round hit him in the buttocks as he ran away, and another bullet slammed into the victim's shoulder as he vaulted over a 6-foot fence to get away from the defendant, he said.
"I flipped over the wood fence … and (fell) on my hands and knees, throwing up blood," he said. A woman who had seen him struggling told him, "'I don't want nothing to do with it,"' he recalled, "and she closed her door."
Another neighbor, he said, called 911.
To this day, both bullets remain lodged in his body, he testified.
The victim did not waver when asked to identify the gunman, pointing to Orozco. One thing that made it easy to remember the defendant, he said, was his distinctive tattoos.
"The first I noticed was the horns he had on his head," he said. "I noticed all them tattoos … but those horns especially stood out."
As Stanley Perlo began to question the victim about what happened, the victim became angry, accusing the defense attorney of putting him on trial. The victim dodged several questions about his own criminal history, which he eventually admitted includes charges of attempted murder, kidnapping and robbery.
Asked by Perlo if he would have preferred to get even with Orozco himself, rather than rely on authorities to arrest Orozco, the victim agreed.
"Hey, if I would have caught him I would have taken care of him myself," the victim said while many in the courtroom laughed. "… Let's be real in the courtroom."
Changing stories
Other hostile witnesses included a fellow gang member and sullen young woman named Antoinette. Prosecutors repeatedly reminded her that she had told deputies on the day of the shooting and in later interviews that she saw Ortiz searching for Orozco and heard other witnesses say the defendant had shot Ortiz as they fled the crime scene.
Despite the fact those interviews were taped, she sometimes denied the recorded statements and often claimed she couldn't remember anything. Among her hazy memories were her statements that another witness named Angela had identified Orozco as the shooter.
"I heard Angela yelling, crying, screaming, whatever," Antoinette said with her head in one hand, slouching in her seat.
"Did you hear (Angela) say … 'He shot, he shot,"' Deputy District Attorney Lowell Anger asked, reading back her statements tape-recorded by investigators in earlier interviews.
"No," she insisted.
After showing her the transcripts of her recorded statements, she faltered, saying, "I guess."
"Do I need to show you the transcript?"
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Anger asked a few moments later when she again changed her story.
"I don't care," Antoinette retorted.
Asked if the fact that Antoinette admitted she was in the same gang as Orozco, as is her father and a brother who was shot by police, and if that allegiance might have anything to do with her hostility on the stand Wednesday, she said no.
Not the truth
Later, a teenage boy, brought from Juvenile Hall, refused to tell the truth while giving his oath on the stand. Anger had planned to ask him about his conversation with Orozco on the morning of June 24, a conversation the boy had repeated to investigators and the prosecutor in previous meetings.
According to Homicide Detective Mark Lillienfeld, the teen said the accused had bragged he was "going to bust a mission to kill a cop."
Asked by the judge if he would tell the truth after refusing the oath, the teen said, "I ain't going to say nothing. I don't want to get involved in this."
"You're already involved," Hickok said before finding the youth in contempt of court.
From the moment the teen identified as Christian entered the room Wednesday, he looked frightened. His eyes darted from person to person, skipping from Orozco's seat in the courtroom to the many Sheriff's deputies brought in for security.
'Taking everybody'
Orozco's attorney worked to discredit most of the witnesses by focusing on those with criminal backgrounds including admitted drug use and gang ties and by pointing out that several said they did not see Orozco pull the trigger.
All but one witness, however, identified Orozco on the stand, and the majority said they saw him armed with a gun either just before or after the deputy was killed.
Several friends testified that Orozco vowed, "If I'm going down, I'm taking everybody with me." They described an often violent temper and said Orozco was known to carry a gun.
The prosecutor rested his case Wednesday afternoon after calling about a dozen witnesses to testify throughout the past three days. Witnesses included a gang expert who said killing a police officer would likely earn Orozco a great deal of respect within his own gang and within the Mexican mafia a prison gang created by a Hawaiian Gardens gang member that now controls almost every Hispanic gang in Southern California.
"Taking (Ortiz) out would be more valuable than taking out an officer who was not as effective," the expert, Richard Valdemar, said after explaining that Ortiz had stood out as an aggressive and successful member of the Sheriff's Department's gang detail.
Valdemar is one of the original members of Operation Safe Streets, the first gang enforcement detail created by the Sherriff's department. The now-retired lawman worked most of his career with gangs, grew up in a gang neighborhood and has testified in hundreds of trials as well as served as an expert for various agencies including the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Agency, he said.
Attempts to dismiss
As testimony in the hearing wrapped up Wednesday, Perlo made a motion to have the case against his client dismissed, citing a lack of evidence. Judge Hickok denied the motion, saying there was sufficient evidence to show a crime had been committed and enough evidence to prove Orozco is guilty of killing Deputy Ortiz and trying to kill the other victim.
Hickok ordered Orozco be held without bail and to return to the Norwalk courthouse on March 22 for arraignment. The accused faces four felony counts: murder and being an ex-felon in possession of a gun for the killing of Ortiz; and attempted murder and being an ex-felon with a gun for the Jan. 20 shooting on Joliet Avenue. Both the murder and attempted murder counts include special circumstance allegations that the crimes were committed to benefit his gang, and could qualify Orozco for the death penalty.
The decision of whether to seek the death penalty is made by a panel of experts within the district attorney's office. So far that decision has not been made, officials said Wednesday.
I saw a pic of that dude. those Devil Horn tats looked crazy!!!
Mac Dre probably died of gunshot wounds for trying to steal Frankie Smith's slang, LOL. So you better watch your back or you'll end up just like Mac. Oh, and don't try to say Franke Smith is from the Gay Area, cause he's from Philadelphia you bustizzle!!!
THAT WAS FUNNY
DON Q,
GROW UP ESE, EVERY MOFO IN LA DONT LOVE YOU, EVERY MOFO IN LA ISNT ON YOUR TEAM SO GET OFF THE NUTS
Man, this blog has turned from an exchange of ideas and opinions to just name calling and my dick is bigger than yours.
Wally Post something, the inmates are taking over again!
Signed,
Bored
In The Hat
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YA GUEY!
Forget Frost and DarkRoom. The First Latin rapper to blow up was Mellow Man ACE! Nember that song "Mentirosa"? It had that tight ass sample from Santana's evil ways??
So you both are wrong!!! HA!!
"Mentirosa" was the first platinum single by a Latin rapper, and "Mas pingón" was the first all-Spanish rap single.
My DICK IS THE BIGGEST NOW!!
MUAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!
WHAT KIND OF WRECK DID FROST GET INTO? EME TRYING EXTORT HOMIE FOR ACTING SURENO?
DID SIR DYNO EVER RECORD A HIT? ALOT OF THE HOMIES WERE LOVING THAT 17 REASONS CD BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I HAVE NEVER HEARD IT OR THE GUN CD. I THOUGHT THE CONCEPT OF ORGANIZING YOUNG GANGSTERS WITH A CD WAS GENIUS, BUT THE RAPPERS WERE UNTALENTED-JUST A BUNCH OF CHEERLEADERS.
SURENOS RAPPERS SUCK TOO. I NEVER HEARD ANYTHING FROM A CHICANO GANGSTER RAPPER THAT I COULDNT COMPOSE WHILE PEDO AND HALF ASLEEP.
MELLOW MAN ACE AND FROST HAVE THE TWO BEST SPANGLISH JAMS AROUND (THIS IS FOR THE RAZA & MENTIROSA) AND THAT SHIT WAS PUT OUT A LONG TIME AGO (17 YEARS AGO).
IF YOU WANT TO HEAR GOOD RAP , LISTEN TO MAYATE SHIT. I'D RECOMMEND TO SACRAMENTO RAPPERS:
C-BO & X-RAIDED.
LISTEN TO X-RAIDED'S UNFORGIVEN FOR SOME REAL SHIT THAT FLOWS.
C-BO'S TALES FROM THE CRYPT IS HOT TOO. TRACK TWO IS FOR VATOS HITTING SWITCHES AND LOWRIDING. IF YOU DONE IT , YOU'LL DIG THE ROLAS. THE SHIT HE RAPS ABOUT APPEALS MORE TO RAZA THAN BLACKS.
fuck all that rap shit, all rappers are actors, the real gangsters are dead or in jail for life, or dead. word on th street is florencia has been crossing out their allies, in response to a falling out one had with compton t-flats and that a homie from lomita stab some vato thats why it started any body hear about this
"Forget Frost and DarkRoom. The First Latin rapper to blow up was Mellow Man ACE! Nember that song "Mentirosa"
Hey dipstick, I never said Frost was first Latino. I said Southern Califas rappers came before Gay Area rappers. Make sure you understand what you read before responding to it you dumbass. BWWWAAHAAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Johnny Chingas was a good rapper.
"Double Dutch never said Fo Shizzle, it was another black slang that mayates had been using for years. "Double Dutch" slang has been around since the 70's. Fo Shizzle and these new terms are a deritive of it but definitely different."
No matter how you slice it, Frankie Smith is the grand daddy of them all, so shut it.
Orale, you youngsters want to hear a real down rap listen to "Vernon Green of the Medallions 1955 lay down the word in "The Letter" or "Donald Woods" in "Death of an Angel", or "The Moonglows" master rap in "The Ten Commandments of Love",and "Little Julian Herrera" doing "I Remember Linda" 1957.
OK gimme "carria" but those oldies still can't be beat and 50 years later are still being listened to by millions of people.
Who will remember these boring ass
rappers in 50 years? They got to come up with something fresh!
Can't top an old LA group like the "Cufflinks" singing "Guided Missles"!
Shit is there an old "Homegirl" that wants to dance? Tengo ganas!
We were "rapping" in the Marine Corp well before Kid Chupacabra and Snoop "me la pela" Doggie were even dreamed of.
Our drill sergeant in 'Nam had many "originals". Here's one sample (now, don't go getting nostalgic on me cabrones):
"I don't know but it's been said"
(I don't know but it's been said)
"Ho-Chi-Ming he pees in bed"
(Ho-Chi-Ming he pees in bed")
EL MARAVILLOSO STRIKES AGAIN....ALL YOU PINCHE SURATAS SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF COMADRES,ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE A BUNCH OF PUSSYS,BREAK THAT SHIT DOWN,AND START SAVING YOUR MONEY,BECUASE REMEMBER YOUR TAXE'S ARE DUE AT THE END OF THE MONTH...LOL....FUCKEN COWARDS,FUCK THE EME,AND ALL SURATAS....TAX FREEEEEEE.......MARAVILLOSOS NATION WIDE......
WTF???
Someone from Los Angeles talking about the 'racism' in the Bay Area?
You come from the land of Daryl Gates and Mark Furhman, and where Blacks and Mexicans are killing each other practically on sight.
The 'N'word has been used by people claiming to be from Los Angeles on this blog probably more than any KKK message board in all of cyberspace.
Some hippie bitch called you a 'beaner'? She was no hippie, believe me. The hippies just don't get down like that. She was a middle class white girl, and I'm betting a Republican. There's plenty of them in the peninsula, and there are even MORE of them in Orange County, in your own back yard, as in the bay area they are outnumbered by the hippies, and, of course, the annoying liberal suburbanites, like yours truly. :)
Any damned way...
Nobody mentioned Lighter Shade of Brown. Where are they now? That whole cd (or, back then, TAPE), they came out with in '90, '91, whatever it was, was tight. There were the radio hits like Sunday Afternoon and Latin Active (Radio Active), but there was s tight song called 'the barrio', I think. The song broke down the whole scene, how it used to be back in the day and how things were starting to wild out, EVEN BACK THEN.
Anyone remember that cut, or know what happened to those dudes?
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
I have to agree with No Script.
Your crying about some white chick calling you a beaner at a Giants game.
But you guy's are talkin all this mayate this , nigger that, and smashing on blacks in the system right now.
No one should criticise another man until he has walked a mile in his shoes.
EL MARAVILLOSO STRIKES AGAIN....ALL YOU PINCHE SURATAS SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF COMADRES,ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE A BUNCH OF PUSSYS,BREAK THAT SHIT DOWN,AND START SAVING YOUR MONEY,BECUASE REMEMBER YOUR TAXE'S ARE DUE AT THE END OF THE MONTH...LOL....FUCKEN COWARDS,FUCK THE EME,AND ALL SURATAS....TAX FREEEEEEE.......MARAVILLOSOS NATION WIDE......
SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL HIM THE TRUTH!!!........LOL!!!!
A true story told by L.A.P.D. An old Mexican man lived alone in East Los
Angeles. He wanted to spade his garden, but it was very hard work.
His
only son, Jose, who used to help him was in prison. The old man wrote a
letter to his son and described his predicament.
Dear Jose:
I am feeling pretty bad because it looks like I won't be able to plant
my garden this year. I'm just too old to be digging up a garden. If you
were here, all my troubles would be over. I know you would dig the
garden for me.
Tu Padre
A few days later, he received a letter from his son.
Dear Papa:
Por Dios, Papa, don't dig up the garden. That's where I buried all my
drugs and money.
Tu hijo,
Jose
At 6 a.m. the next morning, the L.A. Sheriffs showed up and dug up the
entire area without finding any drugs or money. They apologized to the
old man and left. That same day, the old man received another letter
from his son.
Dear Papa:
Go ahead and plant your garden now, papa. It's the best I could do under
the circumstances.
Wally, give us some new material . This father and son story is a Re -Run from your archives.
Retired Joker
Thanks for your input . I was a little late at reading your post I must have passed it up earlier.San Jo is pretty much the same , especially the older varrio's you speak of such as Horseshoe. But that MTV generation is starting to spread down here with the "What Up Dawg" and all that , it's kinda sad seeing a homeboy with a dew rag on his head.But these are the younger guy's . I'm 32 and although I don't really hang out with alot of my old homeboys due to the fact that I don't do dope anymore and alot of us have just grown up and started our own families. When I see these vatos on the streets it's still khaki's creased up or creased up jeans.Never Fubu or Tommy or G unit or any of the other mayate gear. Except maybe some Sean John but that's only because of the SJ.I value your input about a Northerner moving down South the most because I know you have been transplanted so you've " Been there , done that" . Most of these guy's putting in there 2 cents have no idea what it's like up here and think we're all a bunch of slow , dumb , wanna be mayates. But it's ok we'll let them think that. underestimate us all you want. I don't plan on moving down South , but I was just curios about the scenrio.Then again you never know where this crazy life will take you.
Hey fool that bitch was a hyppie that called me beaner. I also noticed other bull shit around there like some iddiot telling us there was no room in the hotel on a Thursday night when the parking lot was empty but fuck it i am a big boy i can take . But it seems to me mexican people are looked down on up north were as down here. At least they keep that bs to there self beacuse they know there will be hell to pay. I t also shows me Nortenios are not that feared or respected other wise this shit wouldnt be happening in there back yard got it bitch!!! I live and work with alot of gavochos and alot dont like us but they keep there fucking mouth shut. You figure it out.
"Asked if the fact that Antoinette admitted she was in the same gang as Orozco, as is her father and a brother who was shot by police, and if that allegiance might have anything to do with her hostility on the stand Wednesday, she said no."
What gang did Orozco claim?
Your "Beaner" story is getting more and more suspect.
A racist hippie??? LOL
Come on, bro. Thats like saying "A Violent Tibetan Monk".
Hippies are always stoned and preaching love and shit. You are full of shit bro. Maybe you were looking for racism, like some Blacks do.
I guess arguments between pseudo intellectuals or at least people with college education and vatos from the street will never see eye to eye.
If you interact with white people on a level field then everything evens out if you are some thugged out gangster and come accross a businessman then of course he will look at your different if you act and present yourself in a professional manner and speak properly then you will get the respect that you so desperately seek by acting so chingon on the streets. God forbid you get disrespected but you don't care about your fellow man or even your community. Wake and up and smell the coffee or you will be the one picking the coffee beans.
Honestly, I think this guy's "Beaner Story" is full of shit.I live in the Bay Area and there isn't a whole lotta racism going on here more than anywhere else.San Francisco is pretty diverse especially the area you speak of.But I will tell you one problem with your fake ass story is you didn't see any chicanos at a liquer store by Candelstick Park because the onlt liquer stores over there are on 3rd St and you don't go down 3rd St unless you are black or lost and if your lost you find your way out of there quick.Also there are plenty of chicanos up here so your mistaken about the whole racism thing.And on another note you say the Nortenos aren't pumping fear into these gavachos but what about all these scraps you guy's are claiming are up here running shit?These down ass vatos must not be pumpin too much fear in the gava's either.
Ok, lets get over this shit, it's boring old and seriously lame. We all know that Raza is dislliked and hated throughout gavacho circles. Blacks can't stand the pride and power we hold and whiteboys just plain jealous. Hippie or not beaner is a universal although be it old put down. Just as blacks will always be slaves no matter how much along thier mast'a moves them up. And Raza will always kill Raza no two ways about it. Sure it would be nice to think someday this and someday that but, fuck it its all a pinche emtpy dream, even i will have to admit. So lets stay on track with the nuevas that count, the post about Norwalk was good a fresh new and much needed item que no. Lets have more, my question;
Whatever happened to Big Mike Mulhearn, was he a whiteboy raised in the varrio and has he passed way and how?
THAT JOHNNY CHINGANS POST IS RIGHT ON!
THERE WAS YOUR FIRST CHICANO GANGSTER RAPPER. SE ME PARO! ORALE!
OH YEAH, X-RAIDED IS DOING LIFE FOR KILLING SOME BLOODS MOTHER. HE'S A CRIP WHO RAPPED ABOUT KILLING THE FAMILIES OF BLOODS AND DID IT. HIS NEW SHIT RAPS ABOUT PRISON LIFE AND AQUIRING THE POWER TO TRANSCEND WHATEVER HOLE THE MAN PUTS YOU IN. His unforgiven is the BEST RAP CD EVER MADE
DO SURENO RAPPERS HAVE TO GET EME PERMISSION TO RELEASE SONGS? DO THEY PAY TAXES? WHICH SURENO RAPPER HAS THE MOST VIOLENT REP?
Big Mike Mulhearn, was he a whiteboy raised in the varrio and has he passed way and how?
Big Mike Mulhern had a white father, Mexican mother and was raised by his mother (dad left, I suppose). He was from Primera Flats.
lol ... this maravilloso character sounds like a contemporary rapper himself only no one seems to be listening.
No studio gangsta stories or tall tales full of fiction,
I'm spittin' the life of a nigga that's full of indecision,
Don't know which way to go,
At the crossroads,
It's time to elevate the game,
Cuz the shit they spittin is the same ol' same,
Cuz a nigga done grew up,
Through some shit that'll make the average nigga fold up,
Thought I had it sowed up,
But hold up, you know what?
I realized the World wouldn't give a fuck whether I'm here or not,
And that's contrary to all that other madness that you hear a lot,
Ain't no bigger figures, just us niggas,
Sometimes they give us action,
Then send us crashin' back to Earth like Michael Jackson,
It don't matter how much scrilla,
You got, you still a nigga,
They either assassinate your character, frame ya, or they kill you,
I don't blame you, if you don't feel the, game I wrote,
We've been brainwashed, unconscious prisoners ever since we left the boat,
Subliminal messages from bands to reject this shit,
But they can't hide the truth no matter what they try to do,
My judgment day is everyday,
Fuck what they say,
And make 'em pay,
Grab your H.K., and dragon slay,
And make my day,
Would you rather ride or stay a puppet?
In the ghetto makin' crumbs, why they makin' scrilla by the bucket,
But fuck it,
To each his own,
But to me it's on,
Fuck the chest, forget the vest, I'm aimin' for enemy domes,
Cuz only the strong, survive, one life to live,
Let off some rounds,
What's that sound? It's goin' down
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Anyone see the ABC 7 news last night and they reported about the bust of some Vagos members? Anyone have info on these dudes? Are they rivals of the Mongols?
LOS ANGELES (CNS) - Authorities today served warrants in five Southland counties targeting members or associates of the Vagos Outlaw Motorcycle Organization.
More than 700 federal and local law enforcement officers served 63 search warrants and 22 arrest warrants, according to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' Los Angeles Field Division.
The warrants were served in Los Angeles, Orange, San Bernardino, Riverside and Ventura counties, the ATF reported.
The three-year investigation was centered in Los Angeles and stemmed from such crimes as murder, attempted murder, assaults, and firearms and narcotics violations, according to the ATF.
Details of the operation were expected to be released later today at a news conference at Rancho Cucamonga City Hall. Expected to take part were John Torres, special agent in charge of the ATF's Los Angeles office; Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca; Orange County Sheriff Michael Carona; Riverside County Undersheriff Neil Lingle; and San Bernardino County officials.
See ^^^^^
Anyone notice OC HalfBreed claim that Orange County is more diverse than San Fran, and then slip into a racist diatribe about 'mayate shit'?
Those of us from up North shouldn't even make a defense for this argument. You guys are beating yourselves. We should just kick back and watch the trainwreck.
Look, of course there are Whites up here that look at Mexicans as downright inferior. But there are probably more of them here in the San Juaquin and Sacramento valleys than there are in the Bay Area. Most of the White people in the bay are either hippies (especially in San Fran) or your intellectual, liberal types. ...Not that they can't be racist either. They can be in their own condescending kind of way. But if we're looking for the worst of two evils here, I'd say it's the White people who look at Mexicans as nothing more than a THREAT to traditional American values, and those are the REPUBLICAN WHITIES here in the Sac Valley, and, by much larger numbers, IN ORANGE COUNTY. Yes, I understand OC is ethnically diverse by numbers (at least in regards to White, Asian, and Hispanic..Not too many Blacks in OC), but you guys are not exactly holding hands in a circle and singing 'we are the world' down there. Racial lines are as solid in OC as they are in Alabama. The police are brutal toward Mexicans in O.C. And god help a car load of Black guys driving on the PCH through Huntington Beach; They WILL get pulled over, for no reason other than their skin color, and you KNOW it. I've been there to see them do it. They always have a car pulled over along the PCH just outside of Huntington, either full of Mexicans, Blacks, or a piece of shit car with poor Whites. LOL. The message is clear: Even hippies aren't allowed in OC!
There are a lot of things about SoCal that make it supperior to NorCal. The weather. Far more things to do. But racial diversity? You guys are being ridiculous. Racial diversity is the one thing this boring, overcast, crowded region of the world has over just about the rest of the entire country.
Orange County has ethnic diversity?? I live in tustin and work in Irvine. Tustin on north to Santa ana, Anaheim, Westminster, are mostly Asian and Hispanic. Irvine and south is all white people!! Most of the OC is white. Hell white people down here look down upon the 714 area code (Santa Ana, Anaheim, Westminster). There are some major snobby white folks in the OC and the closer to the beach you get, the worse is gets. IE, NewPort Beach, Corona Del Mar, Dana Point, and everyone knows Hungtington Beach is teaming with Skinheads. Do yourself a favor and go to the Block in Orange on a saturay, you will see mostly hispanic and asian kids. Go to the spectrum in Irvine and all you will see is WHite kids, with a spattering of rich asian kids that go to UC Irvine.
L.A. is definitely more diverse with every culture you could think of, L.A. hands down, best restaurants for every damn country you could think of. You could get persian, peruvian, ethiopian, korean and texas BBQ all in the same strip mall!!
So if you only stay in Anaheim and Fullerton, then I guess theres a little diversity but from where I see it, its mostly segregated and most of the 949 area code is white and pure republican.
what's racial diversity got to do with the smog in LA?
RJ and Still no Script are "right on" in many ways about Orange County which has been traditionally white conservative republican, but it is changing fast as is most of So Cal, as ethnic groups and especially the Chicano/Mexicano raza have a tremendous birthrate in comparison to the "Anglo's".
I guess we just enjoy sex a little more, like rabbits, and the upper and middle class "gavacho's" enjoy making lana more.??
But as far as rascism goes I think that it depends on where your at specifically. In No Calif. the Bay area is very "Liberal" and votes that way, but at the same time they can be very prejudiced on an individual basis. ANd some of the most rascist people I have ever encountered are "Anglo's" from the rest of No Calif.
Same in So Cal where people on the west side of LA vote very "Liberal"
but at the same time scream about the Mexican "day workers" on PCH,in Malibu, that is until they get the ocean up their asses, then it's all about "Where the hell is all the help when we need them"! OY VAY!
One thing I know for certain though is that the Mexican Culture is very descriptive when it comes to human differences, and not in a rascist manner, but usually humorous like "Chanate" or "Huero"
or "Negro" or "Chino" or "Jap","German"or "Chato", "Flaco" "Mocho", all these descriptive names are used in affectionate manner.
I personally still laugh at what "Gopher"(buck teeth!) from "Lomita Mara" said to me one time as youngsters, "Ese are coming to the Boda Saturday?,that fine jaina "Black Banana" is getting married!"
The Mexican-American people consist of a total polyglot of races and ethnic groups. Shit take a look at any Raza family and you will see a complete prismatic group existing, and all accepting one another if familia.
So when one hears the words "nigger" or "mayate" etc; by the Raza, it is meant as a derisive term to a certain black culture that exist's not all inclusive. If a black person grows up with raza and in fact becomes raza then there is no animosity due to the color of one's skin, only cultural differences.
This may sound weird but minorities are sometimes the most racist. Koreans hate blacks, we all know about Latinos and Blacks.
The same can be said about immigrants to this country from places like Russia or Armenia. All know about Latinos, Blacks and Asians are what they get on TV and the movies and so when they come here they have an automatic stereotype for certain ethnic groups.
Theres even racism within ethnic groups, Chinese don't like Japanese, Cubans look down on Mexicans (east coast thing).
It can even go as far as light skin against dark skinned, in asian and latin cultures sometimes even black.Its been around since the dawn of time.
Its funny, I used to have a homeboy named Negro, Dark as night. His own family called him Nigger. It was has actual nickname.
Theres a show on FX right now called BLACK.WHITE.
They take a black family and make them white and white family and make them black, I saw the first episode and it was really interesting. It was an eye opener for both families.
Hey wally what the fuck is going on here? all this shit about races, motherfucker i thought you were about crime, cops and LA? All these camotes talking all this shit, fuck, get it together you call for eme shit crime shit prison shit but you faggots drifted into race shit fuck that get back the real shit please who the fucks knows about the day salior turned and is he dead.
ESE WHAT KIND OF FLOWERS WOULD BE GOOD TO PLANT RIGHT NOW AS UNDERGROWTH FOR ICEBERG ROSES? ALSO ANYONE KNOW WHERE TO GET CHAYOTE SEEDS NEAR ECHO PARQUE?
THEY GROW GOOD NEXT TO NOPALES.
I WISH I HAD AN AGUACATE TREE. THOSE VEGETABLES TASTE GREAT
What a shame all this space where the epople in the know can share thier expirence with all and they choose to let the masa flow. See thats how you know who's, who in the world [in the life]. As soon as the door opens and the shaft comes in all is lost to the inner kid and the whole thing goes down the drain. The ugly smell of death looms close wally i hate to say it but maybe its time for the reefs and black ribbons of good-bye. Because for sure we're going belly up, and the 3 or 4 regs. have only themselves to blame.
RIP, In The Hat......
last three blogs same crybaby puto aka mr anonymous, fucking buster never adds nada just crys like a chavalone. the real mr. A go stick your finger up your ass, shut your fucking piehole or add something.
leva puto
You might consider the crimson creepers under your iceberg roses right now.There's plenty of well rotted compost on the ground as we speak, and the sweet rain of condescension and peaceful agreement aids their growth, but WATCHALO! The fuggin MARAVALLOSO's do'nt pay no taxes so the chingasos may not procreate UNLESS the mero mero big homie in the sky deems them worthy and grants them UV rays for photosynthesis..
Some of us abnormal white guys just plant taters and listen to oldies, miss the ocean but know that the teeming masses surround the shores nowadays..
This blog has become an organism unto itself. Like that virus that came from space and was only put asunder by the wino who drank pruno or Sterno or sumthin..THX1138 for all you Sci-Fi freaks....
Wally (whom I believe to be a combo of several folks, as "they" explained in the first post 3 yrs ago) must get a kick out of the dust that gets raised when all these macho critters get grouped up.Ya'll need more open area. I mean we got guys in here that almost seem to long for those level whatever yards and all the drama that goes w/the penitentiary.
WE used to call that thought and behaviour "institutionalized", and I've learned here that that phenom is what makes your beloved La Eme function so well.
Rather than the convict getting sprung, paroled, and seein some light at the end of the tunnel, he is indenturecd to the Big Hooterz. Do their biz on the calles because ya know what? You're coming Back!!And everybody's happy! The booming Custody Cartel and the puppetmasters, who without their puppets would just be walkin off time like the rest of the joint..
There's nothing more photogenic than a megolomaniac when he's stripped of power. Remember nixon's "spirited wave" when he snuck out of DC on Marine One? Or Jimmy Swaggart when he called out to the Lord to forgive him for his nookie wit da hookie? Or Trent Lott? Or Slick Willy? Wait! He never did eat no crow.. hillary's all the crow Bill will ever need to eat! I imagine that tastes salty!
Anywaze - be well. Just checkin in. Got nothin of substance to kick in..
Oh wait! Any of you recent pinteros: tell me, do the mayates still use that stinky fuckin Magic Shave? And are the showers still fulla "watch springs?"
Peace On Earth - Godwill to Man
To the vato who keeps calling me a buster, Fool i'm more sur then your entire frog familiy, i did'nt realize that asking for info on the topics which are supposely the nature of this blog was crying. And by the way why do you always bring up the dedo? it seems from all your post you might have a finger fedish, huh. Well thats something you can find on other sites you know, you know mr. dedo. Hey i bet if they finger printed you they'd find five on the top of your head [palmed, you know] and one big deep thunb print up your brown eye, huh mr. dedo. Dam ever since that shit came out about the bdogs you just can't seem to get over it.
You must run that shit over and over on the silver screen of your mind huh, dedo, opps i mean Mr. dedo, i'm one for respect ese.
Anyway the only leva here is the one serving you dinner, and hey have you try'd asking him/her for the de, well you know.
hey to the fellow asking about the roses [another winner] scaga moe[yet another winner] came thru for you.
Yusta nutta refried poker?
OC Halfbreed left the North 20 years ago and he's going to try to tell us what it's like up North.
Things change in 20years fool !!!Even up North where we're slower.
AND IM THE ONE THAT POSTS UP THE
BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!?
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
THAT JOHNNY CHINGANS POST IS RIGHT ON!
THERE WAS YOUR FIRST CHICANO GANGSTER RAPPER. SE ME PARO! ORALE!
OH YEAH, X-RAIDED IS DOING LIFE FOR KILLING SOME BLOODS MOTHER. HE'S A CRIP WHO RAPPED ABOUT KILLING THE FAMILIES OF BLOODS AND DID IT. HIS NEW SHIT RAPS ABOUT PRISON LIFE AND AQUIRING THE POWER TO TRANSCEND WHATEVER HOLE THE MAN PUTS YOU IN. His unforgiven is the BEST RAP CD EVER MADE
DO SURENO RAPPERS HAVE TO GET EME PERMISSION TO RELEASE SONGS? DO THEY PAY TAXES? WHICH SURENO RAPPER HAS THE MOST VIOLENT REP?
FUCK X RAID HE SHOULD BE BANN AND TREATED LIKE THE SEX OFFENDER HE IS FUCK MAYATE RAP THATS FOR BUSTERS ALL THEY TALK ABOUT IS ABOUT BEING PIMPS AND SHIT LIKE THAT ABOUT IF SURENOS RAPPERS PAY TAXES OF COURSE THEY DO AND YES THAY CANT RAP SHIT ABOUT LA EME OR SHIT LIKE THAT.
SNAPPER
P.S. FUCK MARAVILLOSOS
So let me get this right .Scrap rappers pay taxes but can't rap about what they want, and your proud of that ? Aaah the wonderfull life of a Buster . We do what we want .A big Wsup to the all the Maravillosos , Stay tax free .Don't let these scraps get you down.
Oh yeah , Hollenbeck, BAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH
FUCK YOU SCRAPPER .
/Any body heard what's going on with the AB trial in LA and OC?/
Trial for Barry Mills, T.D. Bingham, Ronnie Slocum, etc. begins on Tuesday, March 14.
Los Angeles Daily Journal
Monday, March 6, 2006
Prison-Gang Trial Gets Complicated
Late, Massive Discovery Papers May Affect Case.
Aryan Brotherhood
By Don J. DeBenedictis
Daily Journal Staff Wtiter
SANTA ANA - On the eve of trial, the prosecution of one of the biggest criminal cases in history is struggling with late, massive amounts of discovery.
Some sources familiar with the case have suggested that discovery problems may hamper prosecutors' chances of winning the death penalty against the top leaders of the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang.
Prosecutors acknowledge that they are dealing with an enormous amount of discovery but insist it will not interfere with the case.
Death Penalty
Opening statements are scheduled for March 14 in the trial of four leaders of the gang's federal- prison faction. A jury has been selected, and the case will be heard by U.S. District Judge David O. Carter. U.S. v Mills. CR02-938(E) (CD Cal., filed Aug. 28, 2002).
Alleged Aryan Brotherhood leader Barry Byron Mills and top lieutenant Tyler Davis Bingham are on trial in connection with charges that they ran a vast organized-crime conspiracy that used violence, intimidation and secret codes to wield broad power over drugs, gambling and other vices inside and outside the federal and California prison systems.
Mills and Bingham face the death penalty, while two other defendants, Aryan Brotherhood members Christopher Overton Gibson and Edgar Wesley Hevle, were considered eligible for the death penalty, but prosecutors declined to seek it.
'Less Crediblity'
A grand-jury indictment charges the four with racketeering, conspiracy to commit racketeering
and two to four counts of murder each in connection with the killings of black inmates at the federal prison in Lewisburg, Pa. Another 16 defendants are scheduled for later trials in Los Angeles.
Observers said the distractions caused by newfound documents could hamper the prosecution's bid to get the death penalty for Mills and Bingham, serving as a blow to the U.S. attorney's effort to dismantle the Aryan Brotherhood inside the prisons.
"It's fair to say ..... [the government] is scramblingm," said Loyola Law School professor Laurie L. Levenson, a former assistant U.S. attorney in Los Angeles. If jurors sense that, "it gives the government less credibility." Levenson said.
Another former member of the office, who requested anonymity, said the defense already has taken advantage of the discovery problem by dropping its earlier motions for delay.
The problem arises because in late fall, the prosecutor newly assigned to head the trial team, Assistant U.S. Attorney Stephen Wolfe of Los Angeles, learned that his office had never asked the FBI and Bureau of Prisons to turn over what they had about the defendants or their alleged crimes, according to Steward.
Once asked, the agencies, which investigate crimes in federal prison, found 50,000 to 200,000 pages of material. Even though by Dec. 1 the agencies' Los Angeles offices had winnowed the pile to 24,000 pages, Wolfe pleaded with Carter in early February to postpone the trial while his team continued to sort through the documents.
The government "is not ready to carry its burden," Wolfe said.
Certainly, one problem for the government is the sheer volume of material that prosecutors must read, index and evaluate late in the game.
That makes it harder for Wolfe to manage his case, said H. Dean Steward of San Clemente, the lead attorney for alleged Aryan Brotherhood chieftan Mills, the main target of the prosecution.
"They don't have the luxury of concentrating on the Lewisburg counts," Steward said, referring to murders charged in the trial.
Avoiding the death penalty would be a "complete victory" for Mills, who is already serving two life terms, Steward said. But the second defendant, Bingham, currently is scheduled to be released from federal prison in 2010, and conviction on any count might keep the middle-aged man in prison for the rest of his life, Steward said.
While Levenson predicted that the defense might try to damage the government's credibility by pointing out "things that are last minute", a top official in the U.S. attorney's office said the office has the resources and the will to get the job done.
"Discovery is a task; it takes time. We have people preparing for trial", Chief Assistant U.S. Attorney George Cardona said. Cardona, the No. 2 in command of the office and supervisor over the March 14 trial and other Aryan Brotherhood cases, said the government "will be ready to go" on time.
In fact, even as Wolfe was asking Carter for more time in February, the prosecutor added that the government has a strong case and a "way better than even chance of winning " it.
During a Dec. 2 court hearing, Carter criticized the original prosecutor on the case, former Assistant U.S. Attorney Gregory Jessner, for delays in finding the documents and asked whether "bureaucratic strife" among government agencies caused the problem. In the hearing, Wolfe said he feared the blame lies in "a combination of glitches in the working relationship between the ATF and the FBI and in ommissions by the U.S. attorney's office to make direct contact with the FBI to overcome the glitches".
The case had been investigated over nearly a decade by Jessner and a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives investigator, Michael Halualani. Jessner left the Los Angeles U.S. attorney's office in November - in the midst of preparation for the March 14 trial - to go into private practice.
Neither Jessner nor Halualani would discuss the case.
Nevertheless, Carter has discussed several times during court hearings that prosecutors erred in not working more closely with the FBI. The judge points to a statement by the first FBI representative to show up in his court in connection with the case. In a Dec. 2 hearing, Special Agent Mary P. Carter said, "You should have brought me on board early on. I would have been here," according to a transcript.
Lawrence Rosenthal, a professor at Chapman University School of Law in Orange and a former federal prosecutor in Chicago, said prosecutors hate surprises. "To have to find out what's going on in the bowels of the government .. weeks before trial is very unpleasant," Rosenthal said.
Along those lines, another concern for the prosecution is that the content of the new material might help the defense. Dale Rubin, a defense attorney in a separate portion of the overall Aryan Brotherhood case, said the new material offers evidence to attack the credibility of former brotherhood members who will be testifying for the prosecution.
"When the defense brings that up in front of the jury," Rubin said, "everyone in the [defense] case has something to gain."
In addition, Steward said, the defense has found new witnesses of its own in the new material. "We have at least half a dozen new defense witnesses we didn't have 60 days ago," he said.
The new witnesses and new evidence,
Steward said, undercut the government's theory about why the Lewisburg murders took place.
He said the government previously has described the killings as racially motivated attacks by the white Aryan Brotherhood gang members on African-American prisoners. The new evidence, he said, shows that the killings were retalitation for attacks by another prison gang, the DC Blacks, on Aryan Brotherhood members.
That is, the murder victims were the casualties of ongoing race warfare in the nation's prison system.
"These [defendants] are folks trying to protect themselves," Steward said.
That might be enough to pull a jury back from imposing the death penalty, experts say.
If jurors "decode" the evidence to find the defendants were protecting themselves when the prison system could not, they might vote not to execute, Rosenthal said.
"If you can spin [the evidence] that way, you've got a better chance," he said.
The risk, the Chapman professor added, is that jurors might decode the evidence to find that "you are all animals" and deserve the death penalty.
Late discovery has damaged other federal death-penalty cases in different ways. During hearings, Carter several times has reminded lawyers of the delay in executing Timothy McVeigh for the Oklahoma City bombing when in January 2001 the FBI suddenly turned up thousands of pages of previously undisclosed investigative reports after McVeigh's death warrant had been signed.
During the hearings, Carter also has told lawyers what happened that same year when he presided over the first federal death-penalty case to reach a penalty phase in the Los Angeles area in more than 50 years.
In that case, the jury convicted alleged Mexican Mafia leader Mariano "Chuy" Martinez of murder, but some late evidence appeared -- after Carter ordered the head of the California Department of Corrections to his court -- that corroborated the defense theory that California prison guards had put Martinez into "gladiator" fights with other prisoners, weakening the government's assertion he was vicious.
Martinez's attorney, Mark Overland of Overland Borenstein Scheper & Kim, said he doubts the late documents were crucial to his case. Nevertheless, the jury hung 7-5 on the death penalty, sparing Martinez's life.
Late discovery was an even greater problem for the government in the second Mexican Mafia death-penalty case. Several months into that trial, prosecutors turned up a new witness and pieces of a gun. Carter told the government it could go ahead and seek the death penalty against two of the five defendants without the late evidence, or it could drop the death penalty and use the witness and gun, according to Rubin, who was the capital attorney for one of the defendants facing death.
Prosecutors abandoned the death penalty. The two defendants were acquitted.
Steward said prosecutors' zealous pursuit of the Aryan Brotherhood has made the case one of the largest in U.S. history, at least in the federal courts. He cited the number of defendants, the 30-year time span and the 392 overt acts covered by the indictment and the number of defendants -- 22 out of 40 -- who might have faced the death penalty.
The 1989 federal indictment of Chicago's El Rukn gang named 65 defendants but covered only a few years' time and had no death-penalty counts.
In the Aryan Brotherhood case, few are ready to count the government out. Despite problems, "does that mean the government can't do it?" Rubin asked. "They've got all the resources of the federal government."
{i didn't realize asking for information made me a crybaby}
why don't you ask with a little respect lloron! all you ever do on this blog is llore, llore, llore, que give me better info ese que wally's all fucked up, que masa this masa that. puto you no sur you a buster or a internet gangster from palos verdes or encino. and this time go stick too dedos up your piehole puto lloron.
go take out the trash or some other shit they so in rancho cucamonga. add something youself or shut the fuck up.
So let me get this right .Scrap rappers pay taxes but can't rap about what they want, and your proud of that ? Aaah the wonderfull life of a Buster . We do what we want .A big Wsup to the all the Maravillosos , Stay tax free .Don't let these scraps get you down.
SURE YOU GUYS CAN RAP ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT THATS WHY SIR DINO IS CRYING LIKE A LITTLE BITCH BECAUSE WHAT HE DID WAS RATING ABOUT THE ENE IN HIS MUSIC WE DONT RAP THINGS WE ARE NOT SUPPOSE TO BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GIVING THE GOVERMENT SHIT OF INFORMATION UNLIKE YOU BUSTER RAPPERS AND TO MARAVILLOSO SEE YOU IN THE MAINLINE NEXT TIME SEE HOW DOWN YOU ARE OHHH I AM SURE YOU A PC MOTHERFUCKER HAVE FUN WITH THE MOLESTOR,RAPIST I BET YOU GET ALONG WITH THESE ONES,PIGS AND RATAS.
PINCHE MARAVILLOSOS AINT SHIT JUST LIKE THE BUSTERS WALK THE MAINLINE AND THEN TALK PC MOTHERFUCKER.
SNAPPER
So let me get this right .Scrap rappers pay taxes but can't rap about what they want, and your proud of that ? Aaah the wonderfull life of a Buster . We do what we want .A big Wsup to the all the Maravillosos , Stay tax free .Don't let these scraps get you down.
Oh yeah , Hollenbeck, BAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH
I KNOW ITS YOU MARAVILLOSA!! YOUR TRYING TO PAT YOURSELF IN THE BACK AGAIN!..HEY MARAVILLOSA! GO HIDE IN YOUR LIL HOLE!..YOUR TRYING A LITTLE TO HARD...BY STATING THAT YOU DONT PAY AND FOR THE SOUTH TO WAKE UP AND BE MEN? YOU SOUND LIKE A LIL BITCH ASKING FOR HELP!..LOL!!
SO PLEASE! PLEASE! DONT MAKE THE REAL MV's SOUND LIKE LIL BITCHES!
SOME OF THEM MV's GOT HEART FOR THEIR CAUSE,SOME GOT SO MUCH HEART
THEY DO WALK MAINLINE,AND THEY DO PAY THEIR RESPECTS,BUT AS FOR YOU,
YOU GOT TO BE STUPID!YOUR NOT NATIONWIDE..LOL!! THE ONLY THING ABOUT YOU THATS WIDE IS YOUR CACHETES! SO NOT ONLY ARE YOU STUPID BUT YOUR FUCKING NUTS!!
THATS RIGHT I SAID IT.. "FUCKING NUTS!" YOU KNOW WHY? CAUSE YOUR STICKING YOUR DICK IN A JAR OF PEANUTBUTTER AGAIN! SO SHUT UP!
STOP BEING IN DENIAL!LISTEN TO YOUR OLDER HOMIES AND PC UP!..
OH YEAH! AND DO IT WITH PRIDE!!
BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! BLAH! BLAH!
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
More Mara...yawn.
Homeland Security Reports Gang Arrests By SUZANNE GAMBOA, Associated Press Writer
Fri Mar 10, 5:30 PM ET
WASHINGTON - Some 375 gang members have been arrested in 24 states and the District of Columbia over the past two weeks as part of a yearlong operation targeting gangs with criminal immigrant members, the Homeland Security Department said Friday.
The arrests bring to 2,388 the number of gang members apprehended through Operation Community Shield, which combines local law enforcement with federal immigration forces. Of those arrested, 922 were members of Mara Salvatrucha gangs, which have ties to Central America.
Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said that previously local law enforcement might arrest gang members and not be aware they also had immigration violations that could be used "to incapacitate violent criminals." Meanwhile, immigration officials would arrest gang members and not know they were wanted for serious criminal offenses.
"In much the way we have connected the dots against the war on terror, we are now connecting the dots against gang violence," Chertoff said.
Chertoff said none of the gang members was identified as having ties to al-Qaeda, but more than 260 of those arrested in the last two weeks have committed crimes like rape, murder and assault and brought drugs and weapons into neighborhoods. Of those arrested during the past year, 533 were charged with crimes and 1,855 with immigration violations.
Those in the country illegally will be deported after serving any sentences, officials said.
Julie Myers, assistant secretary of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said: "With Operation Community Shield, ICE is sending a clear message to gang members that ICE intends to deal strongly and forcefully with you if you come into our country and break our laws."
When the operation began, its purpose was to target members of Mara Salvatrucha. But as the operation progressed, officials expanded it to other gangs in various communities.
In the two-week operation that began Feb. 24, law enforcement arrested 44 gang members in Dallas; 41 in San Diego; 22 in the Washington, D.C., metropolitan area; 22 in Miami; and 19 in Raleigh, N.C.
Gang members were arrested in these states: Arizona, California, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Iowa, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Texas and Virginia.
Federal officials have identified 5,000 Mara Salvatrucha gang members in a database, but the number of gang members in the country is unknown, making it difficult to determine the impact the arrests have had on its membership.
However, David Brown, a Dallas assistant police chief who attended the Washington news conference, said the 149 arrests in his city since Operation Community Shield began had contributed to a 20 percent drop in the city's murder rate.
Brown said local communities are increasingly sharing information about gang members, particularly those who are foreign-born, because many of the gang members move between cities.
East Los Angeles streets.
GESTAPO - GROUPE -IMPERIALS - KLIQUE - LIFESTYLE - NEWLIFE - NEWWAVE - ORPHEUS - SONS of SOUL - c.1970 - 1977. Whittier Boulevard. The cruise, the ladies, the cars, the bumperjacks. "Gangs on wheels" said the East Los Angeles Sheriff’s department. O' contraire messieurs! we were horsemen, Templars, warriors. We were Lancelot's and hussars. We felt like gods. Regimental ragalia and colorings were black and gold or crimson and silver. They were worn navy with royal or royal with gold or perhaps they were black and white but they were glory to wear...
Whao! there lil doggie, i mean mr.dedo, no need to get all bunched up in the culo ese. you and that vato trukos should get together and try some finger sizing on each other, you know my lil pup. that's right you're my lil pup you and furkos there, you can't let it go motherfucker you know it! shit. i'm under your fucking skin mutt, que no, as you read this shit your dying to hand it back puto! cool, motherfucker lets go with it, it's all good ese. i'll be here waiting
to answer any response from you and mocos, ok. so lets ride the internet suck'a full steam ahead puto.
does anybody know any sites with nf member photos or crime chart flicks
hey i thought this blog was about, the happenings in LOS ANGELES, so why all the side bustin by the busters, here it is, the nortenos ride with the blacks! and the SUR ride with the whiteboys, so what!? it dont matter thats how it is and so be it!but......you all know the snitch rate is way more higher among the blacks,....so what ,...what you farmeros wanna do? nothing your people talk like mayates and act like mayates then what, you supposed to be down with the raza, where di you get your guidelines from, not from a true mexicano, just keep sucking black dick, i wish you would understand so we can get together on this one, but you cant cause your orders come some mayates!!!!!
What!? CHOLO, you a one missinformed individule. Stick to what you know about.....nothing.
So let me get this right .Scrap rappers pay taxes but can't rap about what they want, and your proud of that ? Aaah the wonderfull life of a Buster . We do what we want .A big Wsup to the all the Maravillosos , Stay tax free .Don't let these scraps get you down
SIMON I AM PROUD I AM NOT A RATA LIKE SIR DINO AND NEXT TIME I GET LOCK UP I WILL BE WALKING THE MAINLINE WHILE YOU AND MARAVILLOSO ARE PLAYING WITH THE CHILD MOLESTERS IN PC FUCK TAX FREE WE ALL NEED TO HELP THE BIG HOMIES SO THEY CAN FUCKEN CONTROL ALL YOU BUSTER PUTOS,MARAVILLOSO AND MAYATES LIKE WE DO.
BIG SUR SIDE
SNAPPER.
WALK THE MAINLINE AND ACT CHINGON LIKE YOU DO BEHIND A COMPUTER PINCHE BOLA DE PUTOS RATAS.
O C Half Breed said...
the worst liberals are the fucking BMW driving liberals, most of them are full of shit.
They're naive, if anything. And condescending, obviously. But not full of shit. Show me a BMW driver who's a good bullshitter and I'll show you a Republican.
One thing we all forgot to mention in this North vs South thing is, hands down So. Cal has the best looking women, brown, white, black it don't matter.
You are living in a Beach Boys fantasy, OC. I'm back and forth between NorCal and L.A. pretty much weekly. It's the same. The same. Women everywhere, all over the country, every city, every town, are the same.
Go to myspace and type in any city, anywhere. You see the same girls, with the same hairstyles, with the same smart ass look on their faces, with the same outfits, and the same slogans, and the same boyfriend with the same t shirt, shorts, trucker hat tilted sideways, Ashton Kutcher style, and the same steroid needle sticking out of his arm that he forgot to take out.
There's no such thing as "California Girls" anymore. There used to be, and that's because girls in the rest of the country were button up conservative, while girls in California were skating around in bikinis with doobies hanging from their mouths.
It's over.
It's been over since the '80s.
American women, from every city to every state, from OC to Des Moines Iowa, are the same MTV, Paris Hilton, Desperate Housewife sluts.
If there's any exception, and I mean any...If there's any "California Girls" of 2006, any place where the women REALLY DO stand out;
It's Miami.
Miami's a whole 'nother ball game. Women are f'n BEAUTIFUL in Miami, and theyre beautiful in that classy, stunning kind of way, the way girls in Orange County WERE before C.H.I.P.S. got cancelled.
Anyhow, changing gears;
Anyone think Tony Soprano's really dead??? What a shocking season premiere!
You are living in a Beach Boys fantasy, OC. I'm back and forth between NorCal and L.A. pretty much weekly. It's the same. The same. Women everywhere, all over the country, every city, every town, are the same.
Talk about someone living in a "fantasy". You haven't been in a DMV, bank, grocery store or any other line where citenzry congregate "everywhere in the country" (obviously I don't mean everywhere) until you've been in Buffalo, New York. Women (we're talking in general of course) with unshaved legs, vastly overweight and looking like Mike Tyson.
Nebraska: I won't even go there. Pound for pound I'll go So Cal and Miami (you're right on there) and remember, we're talking pound for pound as in generally speaking.
Close ya eyes and envision what the scene was
Hit a nigga with an AR-15 slug
And then I grab the loot
Absolute
We had to shoot
Cause he was lookin at a nigga with a mean mug
And the theme was we was in kahoots
He played games shot his ass dead in the brain
Had to leak the red fluid
Was a bitch and I knew it
When it came down to it he was scared to bang
that nigga dared the game
to get his ass with his actions
Been through it many times before
He was down to side
But how many of them niggaz
really gonna be down to ride when it's time to roll
Ain't got no time for distractions
Money over bitches
cause them hoe's ain't nuthion but some agravators
Unnessary temptations
Instagatin' situations
by makein hoes swell up like activator
My nigga jumped out the lincoln Navigator
packin more heaters than Cash And Tango
Dot-Dog hit the corner with the infared
on you in the blue 99 dodge durango
you don't wanna test this
Fuck around and get stranggled
till they leave you breathless busted
ya must have a death wish
ya got heart
but don't get it cardiac arrested
It's to late for retractin ya'll statements
ya'll mutha fuckas done wore out my patients
On my momma I'm a make sure ya hood gets rolled on
More than some triple-gold-daytons
Nigga you don't know what you facein
Up and tied in the ups
take a dance on the x-side
With mad men with medalions
even all funny style niggas with a trail
get they neck tied
X-RAIDED IS IN FOR MURDER, I DONT ANYTHING ABOUT SEX OFFENDER STATUS.
SOME OF YOU VATOS ARE SO FUCKING STUPID YOU'D RATHER LISTEN TO SORRY FUCKING RAPS BY CHICANOS DOING A "BLACK THANG! ( RAPPING) THAN BLACKS SOLELY BECAUSE THEIR BLACK. IF YOUR GOING TO GO THERE , COME UP WITH SURENO CORRIDOS OR SOME SHIT. YOU SOUND LIKE A TOTAL CULO WHEN YOU SAY YOU HATE BLACK CULTURE THEN BECOME A RAPPER.
(I WISH I COULD WRITE IN 100 FONT SO I COULD SAY IT AGAIN!) YOUR FUCKING RAPPERS SUCK ! SIR DYNO AND THE DARK ROOM SUCK TOO! THE SURENOS RAPPERS SUCK.
Y SABEN QUE, IM PROUDER TO BE MEXICAN THAN MOST YOU CULOS AND STILL CONSIDER MYSELF A NIGGA.
THAT DON'T MEAN I HANG WITH BLACKS OR EVEN TRY TO DRESS LIKE THEM, OR CHOLOS FOR THAT MATTER.
ANYWAYS, I GREW IN AN AGE WHERE IF YOU WERE FROM MEXICO , YOU GOT TEASED. IF YOU DIDNT SPEAK ENGLISH, THE OTHER KIDS FUCKED WITH YOU. WHERE YOU EXPECTED TO BE ASHAMED OF YOUR HERITAGE. BECASUE I KEPT MY HERITAGE INTACT AND GIVE THE FINGER TO THOSE INSULTING MY HERITAGE OR INTELLIGENCE, IM A NIGGA!
BY THE WAY, CHICANO RAPPERS ARE NOT PART OF MY HERITAGE. I DONT DRESS OR ACT LIKE THEM. I CHOOSE TO SUPPORT MY GENTE BY MAKING THEM PROUD OF THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND SUPPORTING THEIR GROWTH TOWARDS MIDDLE CLASS. i STILL LISTEN TO JOSE ALFREDO JIMINEZ, GO TO THE MARIACHI CONVENTION IN LAS VEGAS EACH YEAR, SUPPORT THE LOCAL MEXICAN AMERICAN ART GALLERY, AND GIVE TO CHARITIES HELPING OUT LIL VATOS IN THE HOOD. FOR THE LITTLE HOMIES WHO INSIST ON BANGING, WELL I SCHOOL THEM ON BEING SMART ABOUT IT.
OH YEAH, THIS IS MY FIRST POST SINCE FRIDAY MORNING. I THOUGHT I'D MAKE THAT CLEAR FOR THE MENSOS WHO THINK THERE'S ONLY 4 GUYS HERE AND IM 3 OF THEM. FUCKING SOCKAS
SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Rap on, Carnal!
SHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Rap on, Carnal!
I DONT TRY MY HAND AT THAT. AS THE BLACKS WOULD SAY, "GAME RECOGNIZE GAME!" AND THIS NIGGAS (X-RAIDED) RAPS ARE GAME.
BEING A RAPPER DOESNT APPEAL TO ME. A COMEDIAN, MAYBE. OR THE BUSINESS SIDE OF MUSIC IF I HAD TOO. OTHERWISE I LIKE SCIENCE. LET ME TRY MY HAND AT RAP THOUGH, JUST FOR LAUGHS, AS A COMEDIAN OF COURSE.
ITS THE NORTHERN PHILOSPHER
NOT GOSSAMER,
DON Q, OR THE HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
YOU SORKAS ARE PEASEANTS,
I SHOULD BE PRESIDENT,
RIGHT NOW IM SOBER, BUT RATHER BE PEDO,
Y SIMON, I BROUGHT YOU THE TALE OF THE DEDO,
SLAP YOU AND YOUR ABUELO
AGUEVO
PINCHES CULEROS,
(damnnnnnnn locos, im impressing myself right now)
DISPENSA RESIDENT, I COUNFUSED YOU
SNAPPER,
THAT BIG CRAZY SLACKER,
BANGING THE NET, LIKE A MICROSOFT VET, AND THIS YOU CAN BET
IF PUT DOWN HIS MOUSE, GOT OUT THE HOUSE, AND HUNG WITH A CRACKER.
HE'D LIGHT UP SOME FOOLS THAT'RE MUCH BLACKER.
ON TO HIS HOMIE, THAT LILTTLE LOP TRUKOS,
SCARED TO CLAIM SUR, OR BE SEEN WITH PACHUCOS
THOSE VATOS ARE BAD, SAYS HIS JEFITO
WHY DONT YOU GO PLAY WITH SOME SMART ASS CHINITOS
JUST LEAVE THOSE CHOLOS ALONE
OR TE CACHETEO PINCHE CABRON...
TO BE CONTINUED, I JUST GOT CALLED AWAY
IM BACK. HOLLENBECK-NO DISRESPECT, I HAD TO USE YOUR NAME TO CREATE THE RHYME.
SO QUE PIENSAN CABRONES, SHOULD I FORGO SCIENCE AND PURSUE COMEDY? THE ONLY OTHER THING I EVER WANTED TO BE WAS A HITTER
THE ONLY OTHER THING I EVER WANTED TO BE WAS A HITTER
WITH ONE HITTER QUITTERS AND A TEAM OF HEADSPLITTERS
WHOVE ALL BEEN UP RIVER
I CANT STOP NOW...I KNEW THIS WOULD HAPPEN FOR CALLING MYSELF A NIG...
AAUUUUXILIOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
esta buena esta grifa
HEY WERE CAN I GET SOME FUBU GEAR THAT SAYS JOKER ON IT? HELP...
FUBU got dat Joker gear least dey useta - prolly retired joker gear nowdaze...........:-)
Y SABEN QUE, IM PROUDER TO BE MEXICAN THAN MOST YOU CULOS AND STILL CONSIDER MYSELF A NIGGA.
Damn!! you got to be one of the stupidest lil mocosos I've run across in a long time. calling yourself a nigga, read on:
Nigga =
nig·ger
NOUN:
Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a Black person: "You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a nigger" (James Baldwin).
Used as a disparaging term for a member of any dark-skinned people.
Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people: "Gun owners are the new niggers . . . of society" (John Aquilino).
nig·gard·ly
ADJECTIVE:
Grudging and petty in giving or spending.
Meanly small; scanty or meager: left the waiter a niggardly tip.
nig·gard
KEY NOUN:
A stingy, grasping person; a miser.
ADJECTIVE:
Stingy; miserly.
If thats what you want, entonces ponle, pinche mayatero puto!!
THE ONLY OTHER THING I EVER WANTED TO BE WAS A HITTER
Hit this motherfucker!!!
If thats what you want, entonces ponle, pinche mayatero puto!!
THE ONLY OTHER THING I EVER WANTED TO BE WAS A HITTER
Hit this motherfucker!!!
YOU SHOULD TAKE ALGEBRA COURSE LOCO. IT WILL GET YOU AWAY FROM THAT LINEAR THINKING YOUR SO STUCK IN. I KNEW SOME PENDEJO WOULD COME OUT THINKING I WAS CALLING MYSELF BLACK. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE!
SABES QUE MENSO, I DIDNT CALL MYSELF A NIGGER, I CALLED MYSELF A NIGGA.
THAT MEANS I COME FROM THE GUTTER AND SOCIETY TRIED TO MAKE ME FEEL BAD FOR IT. MEXICANS WERENT AS DEEP AS THEY ARE NOW AND WE GOT TREATED BAD GROWING UP BY GAVACHOS AND WANNABES LIKE YOU PUTO. ON A LINEA, WHO KNOWS , MAYBE I WOULD HIT THAT !
ANYWAYS, I OVERCAME PINCHE MAMON AND STILL GOT LOVE FOR THE VATOS IN THE PROJECTS AND KEEP EM CLOSE. I'LL TAKE THE MEANING OF NIGGA FROM THOSE GENTE WHO COINED THE PHRASE NIGGA. PINCHE WANNABE GAVACHO PULLING OUT A DICTIONARY TO EXPLAIN GHETTO SLANG!
SHAAAAAAA! HAHAAHA!
BY THE WAY, ALL THE SEXY BARTENDER HINAS HUG AND KISS ME CAUSE IM A GOOD TIPPER. I LIVE NICE AND SPREAD THE WEALTH. NO NIGGARDLY TIPS FROM THIS VATO!
(dont tell my ruca about the bartender chickas kissing and squeezing me, porque me pega, j/k no mocosos here homie, straight up bad hombre doing what i please)
now hit this shit and mellow out ese, esta buena!
shaaaaaaaahahahaha
goddammn you're one the most confused lil boys ever known to open up the boca nomas pa presumir lo pendejo lmao...... ok "nigga" ..... that shit cracks me up ..... "nigga" ... lmao
IM OUTTA HERE BUT LOOK FORWARD TO ALL THE STUPID EMAILS FROM IGNORANT ASSES I EXPECT TO RECIEVE BY TOMMORROW. EVEN IF THERE AREN'T SUPPORTIVE ONES, I'LL BE OKAY. US NIGGAS THINK ITS US AGAINST THE WORLD ANYWAYS, LIKE that NIGGA PAC.
YOU A NIGGA TOO, YOU JUST IN DENIAL THINKING THE WHITES ARE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU. LATE
I hate to say this, but the "ChocoTaco" is somewhat right on. Just the way he's expressing himself that is confusing.
What he is trying to say is...In the white mans eyes, we are all niggers.
They don't say black or brown, they only see non white. Be it a black man to entertain them or a brown man to mow his lawn, either way we are all niggers to the white man. If if you don't believe we are living in a white world, than you are truly mistaken. In you little corner of the world you may see a might brown atzlan nation, but your little corner of the world could be 7 city blocks of L.A., whereas White Men damn near rule the world economy.
Don't try and argue, with "Well, holmes, in the Pinta we run shit".
How ignorant does that sound?
You're claim to fame is the most incerated race? Thats something to be proud of?
Don't you see? Somewhere high up in a powerful office somewhere, there are a group of old white men laughing out loud because they didn't have waste any manpower.
"The niggers and beaners are each other off and themselves".
Allow that to sink in before you respond with the preverbrial "Oh yea, look at what all these Mexican-Americans have done" or "Shiiiet, a gavacho would never call me a beaner to my face."
He doesn't have to, when you are in East Lost and he's in Beverly Hills in the comfort of his mansion counting his money made from the backs of latinos and blacks.
So in a way, we are all Niggers in the eyes of the white man.
A MEXICAN CALLING HIMSELF A NIGGER HAS NO FUCKEN RESPECT FOR THE AZTEC RAZA FUCK THAT ACT LIKE A MEXICAN NOT LIKE A DIRTY NIGGER FUCK THAT FAKE TUPAC BOLA DE PENDEJOS CALLING THEMSELF A NIGGA ITS NIGGER TALK RIGHT EVEN A PAISA HAS MORE RESPECT FOR THE BRWON RAZA THAN MOTHERFUCKERS LIKE YOU TALKING LIKE A PINCHE DIRTY MAYATE.
GO GET FUCK BY A NIGGER DICK MY NIGGA LOL
Niggerz all! Word up!
, a gavacho would never call me a beaner to my face."
:-) <----------- BEANER!
PINCHE SURENOS PECETAS,MUY PROUD TO PAY TAXES TO THE PINCHE EME,THE HONEST TRUTH, IS YOU PUSSYS ARE SCARED,AND DONT LIKE TO ADMIT IT,REMEMBER (YOU) NEED THE PROTECTION,ISNT THAT WHY YOU GIVE YOUR MONEY TO THE man, LOL,COME ON, YOU VATOS CAN SAY WHAT EVER YOU LIKE,BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE TRUTH,YOU KNOW,WE SPEAK ARE MIND,AND BY THE WAY,THE SURATAS FROM MARAVILLA THAT WALK THE MAIN LINE,ARE REALLY SURATAS,PERRIS MARAVILLA,ARE FROM LAKE PERRIS,ARIZONA MARAVILLA,ARE SOME VATOS,( STOMPERS) CLIKA,ONLY A HAND FULL, THAT GOT SCARED WHEN WE SAID FUCK THE EME,TAX FREE,THEN THATS WHEN THEY WENT SURATAS,BUCUASE THEY COULD'NT HANDLE THE SITUATION,LOL,,WHAT A SHAME,,LOL,,,BUT TO CLEAR ALL YOU SURATAS,THE OTHER 95%ARE STILL TAX FREE...SO DONT GET ALL MAD BECUASE WE TELL THE TRUTH...EL FROG..MARAVILLOSO...FUCK THE EME..
OH BY THE WAY,WE CAN STILL REACH OUT AND TOUCH YOU..LOL EL FROG..MARAVILLOSO
I want everyone to form a large circle. Gava Joe, Still No Script, Trukos, Rodney King, Ms. Hollenbeck, OC Half breed et al. No one sits this one out pal!
Maestro- the music please.
Ready...
You put your right foot in,
You put your right foot out;
You put your right foot in,
And you shake it all about.
You do the Hokey-Pokey,
And you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about!
"Ajua pelao"
"Aprietame mamacita"
With this I bid you all adieu.
I hate to say this, but the "ChocoTaco" is somewhat right on.
WELL I GUESS YOU DONT GET AROUND THAT MUCH,NO DISRESPECT BUT WE ARE RAZA!MEXICANS!AND THE WHITE MAN KNOWS THAT WELL,THEY MAY EXPLOITE BOTH MEXICANS AND BLACKS TO A CERTAIN DEGREE,BUT THE WHITE MAN DOES NOT CONSIDER US NIGGERS!THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE STAND IN THIS COUNTRY,I'VE BEEN IN BEVERLY HILLS,MANSIONS,BIG HOUSES AND THE CLUBS,AND IM FROM THE EAST SIDE OF TOWN,ALL THEM WHITES KNEW IT,AND EVEN THE FUCKEN JEWS KNEW WHERE I CAME FROM,AND SOME OF OUR CO-WORKERS WERE BLACK,AND THOSE BLACKS WOULD NOT GET ANY RESPECT FROM THESE WHITEYS,BUT THEY RESPECTED ME AND A FEW OTHER MEXICANS,YOU KNOW WHY?CAUSE WE WOULD WORK HARD,WE WOULDNT CRY OVER SPILLED MILK,AND YOU MIGHT THINK THAT SOME OF THOSE WHITE BOYS DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE STREETS,BUT YOUR WRONG!EVEN THOUGH
THEY MAY BE RICH AND LIVE IN THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN,ALOT OF THEM ARE UP TO NO GOOD!THE ONLY THING IS THEY GOT IS OLD MONEY,SO THEY GOT IT EASY,WHEN IN JAIL,WHO DO THE WHITES SIDE WITH?MEXICANS!NOT THE BLACKS!!I USE TO SEE THESE JEWS ON THE SET FIGHTING AND ARGUEING WITH THE BLACKS ALL DAY LONG!IN FRONT OF ACTORS,PRODUCERS AND THE FUCKIN LAPD THAT WOULD BE ACTING AS SECURITY,I WOULD JUST KEEP WORKING AND LAUGH ALL DAY LONG,AND ONE TIME A COP ASKED ME "WHY ARE YOU CONSANTLY LAUGHING?"AND I SAID TO HIM,"WELL THE WHITE FOOL IS ARGUEING WITH THAT BLACK FOOL ALL FUCKIN DAY...ITS EITHER BLACK THIS OR WHITE THAT...AND SINCE IM MEXICAN I JUST SIT HERE AND LAUGH!!!AND IT WAS CONSTANTLY LIKE THAT,IN MANY STUDIOS WITH DIFFERENT WHITES AND DIFFERENT BLACKS,I WAS AND OTHER MEXICANS WERE CONSTANTLY IN THE MIDDLE OF IT...JUST LAUGHING UP A STORM AND.TO TOP IT OFF THE WHITES WOULD ALWAYS KISS OUR ASSES!THATS WHY WE WERE INVITED TO SOME REAL HOLLYWOOD PARTIES AND NO BLACKS WERE INVITED,THE ONLY BLACKS AT THE PARTIES WERE HOLLYWOOD TYPES OR INVESTERS,I EVEN MET OTHER MEXICANS AT THOSE PARTIES,THERES EVEN SOME REAL WEALTHY MEXICANS OUT THERE!MAYBE I'LL SHARE A STORY OR TWO AT A LATER TIME,AND IM TALKING ABOUT MEXICANS THAT MADE RICHES AND ALL LEGIT TOO!
SO DONT BE SO QUICK TO DOWN EVERY WHITE MAN,SOME OF THEM DO RESPECT OUR PEOPLE!AND DONT THINK IM WHITE WASHED OR JUST BEING STUPID,IM SPEAKING FROM EXPERIENCE,OUR RAZA
IS THE BACKBONE OF THIS COUNTRY!EVEN THOUGH THE WHITE MAN WRITES THE MAJORITY OF THE CHECKS,OUR PEOPLE ARE HARD WORKIN PEOPLE!EVEN THOUGH SOME OF US MIGHT GET SIDETRACKED AND IT SEEMS A LITTLE DISTORTED AND EVEN CONTINUE TO FIGHT AMONG ONE ANOTHER AND GANGBANG,WE ARE BROWN AND WE ARE PROUD PEOPLE!WHEN WE'RE RIGHT AND WHEN WE'RE WRONG!WE STAND LIKE NO OTHER!WE MAKE DUE WITH WHAT WE CAN AND DONT CRY FOR GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS!SO BE BROWN AND PROUD!
WE ARE NOT NIGGERS!!!!!!
AND ONE MORE THING FOR YOU MISGUIDED SOUL....REMEMBER THIS!..
WHERE EVER YOU GO,THERE YOU ARE!!
AND IF YOUR NOT THERE,YOU DIDNT GO!
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH.
O C Half Breed said...
anonymous with the long story about working in hollywood, hit it pretty much right on. The one thing I hear your typical white person say is "at least the Mexican's work hard and do their thing and try to make it better for themselves" "blacks always act like we owe them something".
I asked this peckerwood once who'd done a lot of time why is it you guys are down with the South Siders. He said because they have respect for themselves and act respectfull and are proud. You can figure out what he said about blacks.
11:09 PM
And, who could doubt a take on racial behavior given by someone with a swastika tatted on their head? Please, by all means, continue with more tales of racial diversity from Orange County...
Mr.Cholo
There's no more mayate dick to suck your puta Madre and your sluty Hermana are too busy slurping up all the mayates I heard they even got your old lady puttin in work.
And c'mon homie , You think just cause we're cliqued up with the mayates we take orders from them. Just like the Eme takes orders from the Peckerwoods, right?
I don't think so .The mayates are getting smashed on by both sides right now.
The mexi-nigga rapper heard Tupacs last interview or seen Resurrection and got some inspiration. Ay ese, save all that "white man see's all of us as Niggas" pedo. Don't waste your time in this short life crying over what the next man does or what he thinks. Set an example of hard work to your family, don't make excuses blaming a ghost. If a white man offends you, or any man for that matter... then handle yours, don't be like homie at Candlestick who lets a gavatcho call him beaner and not do anything, but come to a blog to call folks from up north racist. If you he really had a problem, should've handled it there. Recognize brotha ;o), you're not Tupac, and you're not black... you think black America gives a sh!t about your cheesy raps, or want to hear your lame regurgitated Tupac philosophy? Homie your own Raza don't wanna here that sh!t, you think anyone else will. Stop while you're still anonymous. Stay Brown! Haha!
~P
anonymous with the long story about working in hollywood, hit it pretty much right on. The one thing I hear your typical white person say is "at least the Mexican's work hard and do their thing and try to make it better for themselves" "blacks always act like we owe them something".
"AT LEAST THE MEXICANS WORK HARD"
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT "AT LEAST" MEAN?
YOU NEED TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES HOMIE, WHEN ANYONE SAYS AT LEAST THIS OR AT LEAST THAT, IT AINT ALL GOOD.
ALL IM SAYING IS I CAME FROM THE SAME GUTTER AS A LOT OF BLACKS, MEXICANS, CHICANOS, AND WHITES, WHO KNOW WHAT ITS LIKE TO BE POOR AND TREATED LESS THAN BECAUSE OF IT. GENTE FROM ALL RACES HAVE HELPED ME ALONG, BUT I HAVE TO HELP MYSELF FIRST. NO TIME TO BITCH ABOUT NEGROS OR HUEROS. SOME OF YOU FOOLS SOUND LIKE YOUR HAPPY THE GAVACHOS GAVE YOU THE "ATTABOY" INSTEAD OF THE MAYATE AND THATS WRONG HOMIE.
HMMM,
COME TO THINK OF IT, THAT MAKES YOU VATOS HOUSE NIGGAS(the worst kind), ACCORDING TO THE VATO WITH A DICTIONARY ANYWAYS.
DAMN, NOW IM REALLY CONFUSED. IM THINKING I MAY NOT BE A NIGGA AFTER ALL. (JUST PROUD OF MY HISTORY) I THINK THE MOST VIRULENT OPPOSITION TO ME CALLING MYSELF A NIGGA IS COMING FROM THE REAL NIGGAS MASQUERADING AS RAZA.
YOUSE A NIGGA AND A HOE
(JUST PROUD OF MY HISTORY)
NOT BLACK HISTORY EITHER. A HISTORY OF ABUSE FOR BEING DIFFERENT-BROWN.
YOU YOUNG VATOS HAVE IT PRETTY GOOD. THE RAZA IS SO FUCKING DEEP NOW YOU DONT EVEN NEED TO SPEAK ENGLISH TO GET ALONG FINE. BACK IN THE DAY THOUGH, THE TEACHERS WOULD CLOWN IF YOU SPOKE SPANISH. BLACK AND WHITE KIDS TAUNTED YOU FOR WEARING COWBOY BOOTS TO SCHOOL IN THE CITY. ITS WASNT COOL TO BE MEXICAN BACK IN THE DAY. WE WERE IN THE SAME BOAT AS BLACKS.
NOW CHET AND DUKE FROM 90210 GAVE YOU AN ATTABOY AND SUDDENLY YOUR NO LONGER A MINORITY! GET REAL!
FUCKING HOUSE NIGGAS!
AND WHAT WAS THAT SHIT ABOUT EME HITTING THE BLACKS FOR CO'S?
YOU VATOS WORK FOR THE JURAS NOW?
ITS WASNT COOL TO BE MEXICAN BACK IN THE DAY. WE WERE IN THE SAME BOAT AS BLACKS.
NOW CHET AND DUKE FROM 90210 GAVE YOU AN ATTABOY AND SUDDENLY YOUR NO LONGER A MINORITY! GET REAL!
FUCKING HOUSE NIGGAS!
AND WHAT WAS THAT SHIT ABOUT EME HITTING THE BLACKS FOR CO'S?
YOU VATOS WORK FOR THE JURAS NOW?
I THINK YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG!FROM ONE SIDE IT WAS ABOUT WORK!WORKING HOMIE!BUT WHEN WE'D CLOCK OUT IT WAS ALL PLAY,GOOD TIMES AND ALL!SOME OF THEM WHITEY'S WOULD SHOW ME AND THE HOMIES MORE RESPECT FOR WHO WE WERE AND WHAT EVER THE SITUATION WAS,THEN THE RESPECT YOU ARE SHOWING RIGHT NOW!!
YOU WANT TO KNOCK ME DOWN AND POKE FUN AT WHAT I SAID?WELL....ITS ALL GOOD HOMER!THE DAY YOU GO OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD AND HAVE THE BALLS TO COME OUT OF YOUR VARRIO YOU'LL KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!OR I SUPPOSE YOU GET WELFARE?G.R?OR DO YOU WRITE YOUR OWN CHECKS?CAUSE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED,WHEN A WHITE MAN SEE'S RIGHT THRU YOU,AND HE KNOWS WHERE YOU COME FROM,AND WHAT YOU ARE ALL ABOUT,AND THEN HE LOOKS PASSED THAT AND GIVES YOU A SHOT AT GETTING A JOB,AND NOT ONLY THAT,BUT RESPECTS YOU AS A PERSON,
AND NOT JUST AT WORK,BUT AT HIS FAMILY AND BUSINESS PARTIES,ONE WHITE FOOL LEND A HOMIE OF MINE FERIA SO HE COULD OPEN HIS OWN TATTOO SHOP,AS HE ALSO DID FOR A COUPLE OF OTHER GUYS FROM OTHER VARRIOS!I HAVENT WORKED WITH THESE SAME WHITE FOLKS
IN A LONG TIME,AND THEY STILL KEEP IN TOUCH!NOW IM NOT SPEAKING FOR EVERY WHITE MAN,CAUSE SOME ARE RACIST JUST LIKE YOU ARE!YOU SEE..
I HAVE HOMIES FROM ALL RACES,I STICK TO MY KIND OF COURSE,BEEN DOWN SINCE DAY ONE,I STILL LIVE IN MY HOOD!AND IM BROWN AND PROUD!BUT I AM PROUD ENOUGH TO MINGLE WITH OTHER RACES,AND NOT FEEL INTIMIDATED!EXPAND MY MIND AND SOUL
EXPIRIENCE MORE THAN THE AVERAGE HOMIE THAT JUST SITS BACK AND TALKS
DOWN ABOUT EVERYONE,JUST BECAUSE HE'S TO DAM LAZY TO GET UP AND DO SOMETHING FOR HIMSELF!I'LL NEVER TURN AGAINST MY OWN GENTE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT,BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN I CANT HAVE HOMIES THAT HAVE IT BETTER THAN ME!SO IF YOU THINK THAT BY STICKING TO YOUR IGNORENCE
IS GOING TO GET YOU SOMEWHERE,YOUR SADLY MISTAKEN!ONCE AGAIN I DONT SPEAK FOR ALL WHITE PEOPLE!I JUST GAVE YOU AN INSITE TO MY EXPERIENCE
AND YOU WANT TO CALL ME A HOUSE NIGGER!WHAT YOU DONT WORK?I NEED TO EAT HOMIE!....SO DESPENSA!!
SO STAY BROWN AND PROUD!!!
JUST REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED TO SADDAM HUESSEN,THEY NEVER DID FIND THOSE WMD's,THE ONLY DIFFERENCE NOW IS HE IS LOCKED UP AND STRAIGHT BROKE!!ALL DUE TO HIS IGNORANCE,ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS LET THE U.N. INSPECTORS TAKE A QUICK LOOK AND HE STILL WOULD OF BEEN A BILLIONARE AND RUNNING A COUNTRY!
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
AND WHAT WAS THAT SHIT ABOUT EME HITTING THE BLACKS FOR CO'S?
YOU VATOS WORK FOR THE JURAS NOW?
AND YOUR JUST PROUD OF YOUR HISTORY?..LMAO!PLEASE STOP IT!
DONT WORRY ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF YOUR REACH!COMPLAIN WHEN YOU SEE THE COPS WHIPPING YOUR HOMIES ASS!LOL!!!
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
HOLLENBECK
BLAH,BLAH.BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH
COMPLAIN WHEN YOU SEE THE COPS WHIPPING YOUR HOMIES ASS!LOL!!!
THEY BEAT ME. I DONT NEED TO SEE THEM WHIP MY HOMIES. EVEN HAD A CAPTAIN THREATEN MY LIFE. READ THE DISGRUNTLED COPS POST ON THE NEXT ITEM. ITS A GOOD ONE.
DIDNT SNAPPER SAY THE WHOLE PEDO AGAINST BLACKS WAS AS A FAVOR TO THE CO'S FOR THAT GUARD KILLED IN CHINO BY THE CRIP? IF THATS THE CASE, WELL IT WOULD MAKE ALL YOU VATOS SUPER SLAVES, BUT SLAVES NONETHELESS. AND FOR WHAT? FLAT SCREEN TV FOR SOMEONE'S CELL IN THE SHU?
I DONT THINK IT WAS A FAVOR TO COPS. I THINK IT WAS A POWER MOVE.
I COULD BE WRONG BUT IF SNAPPER DID SAY THAT, ITS NOT THE PARTY LINE. CANT IMAGINE M'S ADMITTING TO WORKING WITH LE.
I COULD BE WRONG BUT IF SNAPPER DID SAY THAT, ITS NOT THE PARTY LINE. CANT IMAGINE M'S ADMITTING TO WORKING WITH LE.
LIKE I SAID,DONT WORRY ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE OUT OF YOUR REACH,
AND IF YOU GOT YOUR ASS WHIPPED BY THE POLICE,YOU SHOULD OF LAWYER'D UP,THEIR QUICK TO PAY!TRUST ME I KNOW ALL ABOUT IT!
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
MOFO THAT WHAT THIS BLOG IS FOR. IM NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT, JUST CURIOUS. AND I DONT THINK ANYTHING IS OUT MY REACH. AS A STUDENT OF WAR I MAKE IT A POINT TO STUDY CHINGONES FROM ALL WALKS OF LIFE. THAT MOQTADA IS A INTERESTING STUDY IN CONSOLIDATING POWER OVER THE STREET GENTE, BUT SINCE THATS IRAQ I SHOULDNT LEARN OR AS YOU SAY WORRY ABOUT IT, HUH?
I COULDN'T LAWYER UP AS IM NO SAINT AND WAS DOING CRAZY SHIT AT THE TIME. WHY DRAW MORE HEAT? WHO'S GONNA BELIEVE ME IF NO ONE SEEN? COME ON ESE, GET REAL!
I COULDN'T LAWYER UP AS IM NO SAINT AND WAS DOING CRAZY SHIT AT THE TIME. WHY DRAW MORE HEAT? WHO'S GONNA BELIEVE ME IF NO ONE SEEN? COME ON ESE, GET REAL!
THERE STILL IS A WAY,BUT YEAH..IF YOU DIDNT WANT TO ATTRACT HEAT,IT WAS BEST LEFT ALONE,THEM COPS WOULD OF BEEN ON YOU LIKE FLIES ON SHIT!SOME OF THEM FOOLS LIKE TO PLAY HARD,AND IN COURT YOU MIGHT NOT STAND A CHANCE,BUT IT STAYS ON HIS RECORD,I KNOW THIS ONE COP HE WAS FUCKING PEOPLE UP ONCE AND A WHILE,AND EVERYTIME HE WOULD WIN,THERE WAS NO EYE WITNESS,AND HIS STORY WAS ALWAYS THAT "THE SUSPECT BECAME COMBATIVE"
TIL ONE DAY SOMEONE CAUGHT HIM IN ACTION,AND IT WAS PAY DAY FOR EVERYONE AND HE GOT FIRED! ITS JUST THE LUCK OF THE DRAW I GUESS,
SOMETIMES ITS WORTH IT AND OTHER
TIMES YOU GOT TO JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT ALL!
I WAS BEAT IN JAIL WHILE HANDCUFFED FACE DOWN TO A POLE. THERE'S A CLASS ACTION SUIT GOING NOW BECAUSE THEY BEAT THE WRONG PERSON ( AN UPSTANDING CITIZEN). ITS GOING CLASS ACTION BECAUSE SO MANT HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE SAME. DONT MEAN NOTHING
i like reading wallys shit he post on there.but someone break down this shit like-peni-ab-emi-and all that other shit.im from michigan.
MICHIGAN newbie WRITES:
"someone break down this shit like-peni-ab-emi-and all that other shit"
In California, we see folks like you
that seemingly wish to see our "Sub-Culture" from a safe distance. I am always amazed at HOW "NAIVE" our citizens from the North, South, AND East Coast are about this shit.
When I was five, I was the ONLY white at "Fries Avenue" elementary in Wilmington,(Harbor City) at PCH
By the age of nine, I understood spanish MORE than English, and all my school pictures from then show ONE "Blond" Huero amongst the hispanic "Class"--1st Grade thru 8th
By that time, Dad had built up enuff
to buy a NEW house in Huntington for
about $28,600.00 roughly TWO blocks
from the Beach. Identifying with the
"Surfers" in the 9th Grade found me
not ONLY fighting with them....
But enduring the frequent yells of:
"White Beaner" and incessant fights.
I played soccer, hard and well....
so, Victor Contreras and Jorge Garcia saw that, and so I joined the
"La Raza" Soccer Club in High School
but, found myself NOT only fighting
the Surfers, but the motown latino
gangsters, AND some of the "Racists"
La Raza guys. Benjamin Cueva hated
me, and I had to beat his ass down.
I fought MORE, than I learned then.
And, if you ask me...I understand,
the whole "Pen1-AB-Eme" connection
with the south-sider "Sureno" life.
To break it down, for you yankees...
would take "VOLUMES" of history type
lessons, you CANNOT ever understand.
To understand, you FIRST must accept
the reality, the identity, and more
so....THE HISTORY.
That's the only way it can be broken
down, varrio by varrio. City by City
Street by Street. Collisions made by
our parents decisions of where and
what they could afford, and how they
played out for the last 60 years.
I grew up, and I am doing well. My
friends are the same, and we share..
memories, we laugh, we cry, and yes
at times still fight. But, wherever
there is a chicano child relative..
of my hyna, there is a huero child
with blond hair..who looks like me.
Together, our families remain strong
not only in our faith, but in our kindred spirit. My wife is from San Martin, Guadalajara, JALISCO. And some of those "Surfers" I told you about...well, some of them are now my friends that come over for a bbq feast every now and then, drink beers with us. Businessmen, Craftsman, construction workers, and YES! Engineering Consultants.
That's how WE break it down.
i appreciate all the info but i wasnt trying to get the life story ya heard me.i wanted to know what that shit stood for. i also just wondered why u feel you know who i am and what pain i been through.when you say watching from a safe distance thats a big assumption about me that you really cant make.we just live in different hoods.shit goes down different ya understand.different lifestyles and dress codes and different sets.see out here we got g.d. v.l.'s t.r.g's latin king's mad ave. cass ave. and plenty more.but you see i aint no gangsta i just get money.i got hustler in my blood.i been out west before,got a babies mom out there-full blooded latina aight.i lived in the south before and i seen all different types of lifestyles.i just wasnt on the west long enough to get ten toes down.i guess you right though ,i would have to be out there in all that to reallyknow west coast lifestyle,but i just didnt really give a fuck about the lifestory you gave me.but no matter how different shit might be,every hood basically remains the same. ya heard me.
Get the fuck on fool from Michigan
ok you keep remaining anonymous,you fuck ass coward
Michigan
Pen1& AB = Aryans. White Priders.Woods.
EME = Mexican Mafia.Represent Southern California.Surenos
NF = Nuestra Familia.Represent Northern California.Nortenos.
BGF = Black Gorilla Family.
AB and EME are Enemies of NF BGF.
thanks for the info homie
you fuckin leva! no mames guey, que onda de tu varrio,s, have some pride, pinches cha chas!
for reals,have a little pinche pride like me.i love showing my brown heritige by sucking on san jo's dick cAUSe im a pinche joto.it takes a real brown and proud vato to say something like that.i am the gayest fuckin faggot in cali.i like to take trips to san fran cause thats where im most excepted but soon ,us faggots will run l.a. .well i gotta go and talk on the phone to san jonero cause he's my life partner.
lil trukos now what
yeah im lil trukos
know whats up
i suck alot of dick
but just for spunk
kepp talking that trash
and my cheeks are getting bigger
i got san ho's dick up in me nigger
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Who's calling the shots for the E/S Wilmeros now that "Tatt" is in the wind?
Back in the day do any of you farmero. Who know who killed leader of EME Cheyene Raymundo Cardenes I know because I grew up with the old NF leader like INTHEHAT,I go back 28 years in CDC well 29 years really
Well the mayetes went and fucked up some busters I take it a while back,from what a bird told me so its a split on there part you cant trust no mayete anyhow they had the fameros fooled for awhile,you can trust a nigger only as far as you can throw em,Im a Weiss Macht meaning made white in german adolf hitler is my uncle kinda of guy got my number 29 years ago so i know a little of our history,I will return with more later much respecto to the carnales and OG's only on this site FUCK THE POLICE"
This is a good blog the sue and norte shit gets old,thats been going on over a pair of shoes in SQ 40 years ago,or so Ive been in level 4 San Quentin in the 1980's not the level 2 killers with a soft shoe crono? I was also in DVI gladitor school in the 1980's i got a 29 year old number and a 22 year old number opened up corcran in 1988 when the busters and fresno bulldogs went to war over C yard and after that war was over 2 bulldogs got killed by the sue and now its a PC yard SNY sensitive needs yard you know they built pelican bay in 1989 and opened corcran in.1988 to put all the validated gang members in the SHU I was in SQ SHU in 1986 for assault on staff well in 1990's was a bad year for the brand because they validated majority of members,affilates and associates with indeterminate SHU programs,Folsom,and San Quentin were the old SHU programs in the 80's the prison gangs still had control of the yards,an they still have influence on the yard threw other sources it is not the same just a triple OG wood who has done time with the best fuck the rest I wont drop names because I have been to School and I went out the front door not the back door I still have my Respect I earned many years ago Iam not a internet gangbanger or a level 1 or 2 killer for sure,Ive seen alot of guys talk a gang of shit and never been on a real yard or seen or been involved in riots or wars,and witness stabbings and murders or seen the guard towers shoot one of your homeboys dead with hem deadly mini -14's Im a peckerwoid a Original Redwood from Co. Co.County much respecto to the hinta mi vida loca. Por vida respecto to all who count and have put there work in on the real side,not the northside or southside its respecto to the Raza and woodpile
Well very informative,I guess u got alot of sod busting going on and some real gang history buffs,Ive learned alot 28,29 years ago about the Birthplace to the most serious prison gangs in the good old USA,California has set presidence on how a real gangster is suppose to act inside and out of prison and has a book out and movie on how the gangs are run BLOOD in BLOOD out,there are alot of splinter gangs in alot of different states that have different by laws and are not affilated with californias prison gangs,Arizona you have the new eme and in texas you have the ABT,Now the federal system was took over years ago by the oldest White prison gang in the USA The BRAND Im not a gang expert but involved really deep and have been for going on 30 years. I love the History of the gangs from street level to your BIG HOMIES I guess its fare to say I have.first hand knowledge and been on the front lines I wont disclose who Iam but I will say Iam a Validated member to the staff at San Quentin SSU special services unit as of May of 1993 I did appeal with no luck so for 21 years I send my upmost respects to the AB/EME long live the lifestyle and fuck the war on drugs and FUCK THE POLICE,and all you wanabee gangsters that are just thugs,most never graduate to be big homies cause there stuck on banging norte and sureno Take it there lil homies,thugs,well a thug is the ones that sagg flagg and bagg,to be a big homie you got to pull your pantalones up and handle ur business when your called on the saying goes like this if you cant stand aline on your own then we can not stand behind you,going on a drive bye and killing innocent people is not handling your business vato loco,pull your pants up when your addressing or talking to one of us big homies that title is earned by talking that talk and walking that walk Cavrone K- No?untill next time vatos One of the triple O.G'S signing off stay in school fool being a thug isnt kool...
Well wally 3 years now you dropped the ball if you shut this blog down me and my brothers will keep.the thread blog going dont trip wally,a blog cant run if you dont let folks make comments on different subjects wally hope you realize if your not going to bust a grape turn tje blog over to the fellas foolfor real INTHEHAT that term belongs to the california prison gangs US anyhow anyway,one of the real homies
Thank you tony i got alot to say on my blog ganglifestylebloodinbloodout.blogspot.com Im going to be writing a book soon on history of gangs in califa and you other vatos are welcome to come and comment on my blog its on history of californias gangs so i welcome all comentary without netbanging but at this point i welcome that if u got to check a puto foreals bumper from old skool Califas Im a wood/joe morgan type grew up in a mexican hood and banged with a varrio as a kid
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