Thursday, February 09, 2006

WHO RUNS THE JAILS?
The public and media reaction to the jail riots finally got a dose of reality last night when I heard for the first time the magic words -- Mexican Mafia. To regular readers of this site, it's no big surprise. We know who runs the jails and the prisons. It's not the jailers. For anybody who's been in the system or is familiar with it, COs and deputies aren't much more than referees. The real power resides in the SHUs and it's about time that the rest of world starts to realize it.

There are a few simple truths that the media, politicians and social activists don't seem to get. One is that most of the "rioters" don't want to riot. But the reality is that once you're in the system, it's almost impossible to lay low and just do your program. The shot callers won't let you. When the call goes out, you either clique up and get with their program or you'll find yourself completely isolated with a target on your back for not having any heart. It's a no win situation for the "average" inmate.

The other reality most don't get is that even relocating the shot callers to Alaska isn't going to stop their influence. As long as they can make a call, pass a kite or get a letter out through an attorney, they'll continue to exert their influence. There's no getting around that. So it's laughable when you hear calls for isolating the "bad apples" (I actually heard some knucklehead use that term on TV) to reduce their influence.

And then of course, there's the call to put more deputies on the tiers. That won't work either. At least, not completely. There will never be enough deputies to keep people who want to assault or kill from doing exactly what they want.

Maybe the nuttiest response to the riots was articulated by Ramona Ripston from the ACLU. She blamed "this Congress and this President." Remember this is the same group that demanded desegregation of the prisons, a move that provides written assurance that more inmates will be killed. It's hard to know if the ACLU wants to solve the problem or make it even worse.

If there's any good that can possibly come from this is that it may make some little homie decide not to do things that could land him in jail. As bad as things may be on the street, it's nothing like th hell of being locked up.

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Anonymous said...

word on yahoo is that the riots were ordered from the outside for retaliatiion on an assualt in s.l.a

TijuanaJailer said...

Welcome back. You screwed up our journey to 1,000! (Smile)

Anonymous said...

All this time and you post something that we already know? You're slippen, Wally. The Bloggers have taken over your blog.

TijuanaJailer said...

Oops, didn't mean to preempt you Wally and, even though I don't like to repeat myself NOR hear myself talk, I'm carrying over my comment on the previous subject.

Thanks.

TijuanaJailer said...
(You vato's hate Mayates so much but listen to their music all day long and I'm not talking about rap)

And this is where many people miss the point. The brown on black thing is NOT necessarily about race.

Blacks have a rich and proud history that they should always be proud of. Chicanos likewise. As Americans we can look up to MLK as a positive role model, no matter who you are. He transcends color. Ditto Cesar Chavez .... a hero to ALL Americans.

Behind bars, the L.A. brown on black thing can historically be traced to all the bullshit reasons any screwed up politician and sociologist and "nigger-hating" (excuse my language) and "greaser-hating" (ditto) person may wish to advance.

But in today's mess (which will probably escalate although we hope not), it is a power play that begins and ends with the EME. Not only have they taken advantage of a pot needing only those volatile ingredients to get it boiling, but they will push hard.

Why? Because they hate the color of a black man's skin? Nope. Because blacks are loud and obnoxious and rude and primitive? Not hardly. Many gangster Chicanos fit the same category (loud, obnoxious and rude). It's all about Power and Control.

The EME will be the first to admit that their fiercest adversaries (historically speaking) have been:
(This is a Quiz)
a)white Nazi-types?
b)northern California gang members;
c)Nuestra Familia;
d)Black Guerilla Family; or,
e)black gang members.

Answer to a): Not white Nazi-types.

Initially, they "used" these inmates in the joint. They also "protected" many of them from blacks and this relationship evolved into a good working relationship which began with the AB and exists today with woods and The Brand.

AB members literally idolized the "OG" EME gangsters behind bars and many EME heavyweights took individual AB dudes under their wings. Two examples: "New York" Crane "looked up" to "Moe" Ferrel (even though N.Y. was about 6'6" and Moe was 5-8!), Barry "Red Baron" Mills idolized his EME mentor Martin "Kato" Vargas. Kato was a fanatic and he utilized Barry in DVI to kill two NF members as he "broke him in". Now look at Barry ... mean motor scooter. N.Y. actually committed Hari Kari (spelling?) when he was suspected (by his AB bros) of "talking" to the man (he never did!).
b)not northern Cal gang members;

They are low on the totem pole. The EME has very little respect for the norteno although surenos seemed to be caught up in this wave of hatred (and vice versa). EME considers nortenos vastly inferior (criminally speaking) to their sureno underlings.

c)not Nuestra Familia members;

They have almost the same view about NF as they do about nortenos. The NF has demonstrated their ability to "defend" themselves and I quote defend because the EME attitude has always been about offense, not defense and their aggressiveness is virtually unparalleled. EME members consider themselves "bulletproof" and still scoff at the NF with much contempt.

d)not black gang members;

The EME views them in almost the same manner that they view a norteno gang member - with contempt. They feel that a black gang member does not even belong on the same planet, let alone share a yard with them.

e)DITTO Black Guerilla Family;

The EME "enjoys" combat with the BGF because they consider them a "worthy" opponent. The EME respects bravery and, once again, they violently pursue BGF's, not because they're black and because EME hates blacks, but because they consider it a REAL feather in their cap.

The EME will use this brown on black thing in the same manner they used the no-drive-by "Humanitarian Decree" to do what? Ingratiate themselves with the local community to prevent brown on brown violence? Hell no!

Power and Control. It's about exerting their Power (flexing their muscles) and about controlling the gangs that provide the "grunt" work for them.

The EME have gotten somewhat wiser in their older years, preferring to allow their "fodder" to take care of most of the dirty work while they sit off in their Ivory Towers.

Does this mean that, if given the physical opportunity minus the restraint of being housed in SHU's, they could not/would not take care of biz on their own? No, but it's so much easier calling the shots from Pelican Bay and having a Sureno take care of a job for them.

The EME will seek to exploit this brown vs. black scene for the purpose of continuing, strengthening and perpetuating their iron fist control on the street gangs. This evolvement in continuing control is eerie.

Many would like to say that they (EME) planned it this way but I really believe that it has simply played out like this. The inevitablity could almost be predicted and I marvel at how a flash point never occurred sooner.
Like Don Quixote, I do not wish to sound like Jeremiah in "prophesizing" doom but the EME's fingerprints are emerging.

Stay tuned. WALLY, WHERE ARE YOU????

Answer: He's around guys. He's been extremely busy on projects that have taken him "all over" but
he will have some new scoop ("chisme" as my good brothers call it) upon his eventual return. In the meantime, enjoy the Road to 1,000 Comments.

Peace .......

Tijuana Jailer

1:13 PM

Anonymous said...

The public and media reaction to the jail riots finally got a dose of reality last night when I heard for the first time the magic words -- Mexican Mafia.


I could recall a time when I was doing some tiempo in the hoyo, there was this one female CO who thought she was the shit (they all do) anyways this little pecéta from Maravilla disrespected her and who did she go to? not the sargeant or the senior CO on duty, she actually ran up a flight of stairs straight to a big homies cell and told him that if that bato who direspected her was one of his that he better take care of it cause the insult was uncalled for. Well us SUREñOS obviously could not get anywhere close to the "so called maravilloso" cause he was on walk alone status, so the CO had to handle it herself, and she did by cancelling the yard for everybody.


One is that most of the "rioters" don't want to riot. But the reality is that once you're in the system, it's almost impossible to lay low and just do your program. The shot callers won't let you. When the call goes out, you either clique up and get with their program or you'll find yourself completely isolated with a target on your back for not having any heart. It's a no win situation for the "average" inmate.


Even if all the so called "shotcalers" mexican with tattoos, mexicans with bald heads, and any brown person who the hudas thought were a gang member there would still be pedo jumping off because like mentioned above you either participate or get regulated yourself by your own RAZA it is a no win situation, beleive me the Chicanos stoners tagbangers and paisas (BB's) will still be on the mainline and if they dont act they'll get over run by the tintos or if word gets out that they peed on themselves the Raza we'll handle it either hard cany or soft candy but either way your fucked so they might as well go with the program.

Anonymous said...

Its way more simpler than that t.j.

Anonymous said...

I dont know about that, I vote for loud and rude, I was in R.J.D. in san diego for 22 months, and didnt like the mayates when i went in, and didnt like them before. you cant tell me when your riding to the market with for jefe and he sees and says pinche mayates, pantalona en es culo, we are raised not liking them, the the rest just fuels it.

Anonymous said...

So when Black Vs. Brown riots are going down in the pintas, does the Brand just stand aside or do they assist La Eme?
From all the reports, its latinos and Black, no word of Woods. You vatos who are in love with Alice Baker trip me out.
They are white supremcists! Do you think they give a shit about you?

Anonymous said...

They are white supremcists! Do you think they give a shit about you?

Wrong. They are as much for whites as the EME is for Chicanos. It's all about the money.

And another thing, although surenos don't need woods to share their battles, it's almost a natural alliance that takes place.
When the shit hits the fan, the whites will become targets for the blacks anyway so ..... figure that one out for yourself.

Surenos are pretty much self sustaining. If other groups fall into the fold, they become allies, that simple. Anyway, that's the jail and prison dynamics.

Anonymous said...

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-jails9feb09,0,3684940.story?coll=la-home-local

Anonymous said...

Ok, if thats the case, how many hispanic AB members are there? But there are all kinds of white surenos. So tell me that AB doesn't hate minorities.

Anonymous said...

the dont engage unless asked too, the southsiders in Los county are only fighting the black, there is no snorte in LA county, southsiders got this one, but in the real pintas(not county) the famers tend to be the blacks alies so you know figure it out

Anonymous said...

hey Tijuana jailer! Can you elaborate on the barry mills/Kato vargas connection?never heard about it before.Sounds very interesting.-THANKS

Anonymous said...

///Ok, if thats the case, how many hispanic AB members are there? But there are all kinds of white surenos. So tell me that AB doesn't hate minorities///

Gangs aren't equal opportunity employers. You might be confusing gaining entrance into a legitimate company with joining a gang that is comprised of a particular racial group.

The Prison Gangs are made up (predominately) of:

EME = Mexican-Americans
NF= Mexican-Americans
BGF=Afro-Americans
AB= American Caucausions

If the EME chooses not to recruit whites, that doesn't necessarily mean they hate whites .... they are simply Chicano-based. If the AB chooses to recruit whites, it's not because they hate Chicanos ... they are simply White-based. It's that simple. All of these groups today have a primary agenda of generating MONEY with DRUGS being their primary source of business.
No need to "spin" this into what it isn't. That's life in the prison system and if you want to protest to the ACLU because the AB doesn't recruit Chicanos, then go for it.
This I gotta see.

Anonymous said...

so does anyone know what "assualt" triggered all this or is this still the roll over from rolling 60s robbing florenciaX3

p.s. i have to agree that the tintos tend to be loud and not give a fuck rapping till all hours of the night, not only that but there a bunch of haters, i heard from a black man that one black man doesnt like to see another black man have more than him

Anonymous said...

The Prison Gangs are made up (predominately) of:

EME = Mexican-Americans
NF= Mexican-Americans
BGF=Afro-Americans
AB= American Caucausions



Where does MS fit in? Since they don't pay taxes, aren't they green lit by EME? Or are they all in PC?

Anonymous said...

The problem with most blacks is that they may be too close to the animal kindgdom. All too often we see blacks display an utter lack of intelligence and honesty unto themselves and consequently unto the world around them, sort of like animals who can't reason. They flat-out refuse to comport themselves with a little dignity and respect. They don't care to be one amongst many, always trying to distinguish themselves with the most imbecilic and crude behavior. They almost always have to carry their disrespectful and insulting behavior to the point where physical force is the only language that they will acknowledge. So it is no surprise that they are once again being beaten into temporary submission by the Raza.

Anonymous said...

LISTEN PEOPLE!.....T.J. MAKES IT SOUND LIKE IT'S ALL THE BIG BROTHERS FAULT!...AND THATS NOT RIGHT!...REMEMBER!! A BLACK INMATE
ASSAULTED A LATINO IN THE COUNTY!!
SO WHAT T.J.?...YOU WANT THE RAZA TO SIT BACK AND DO NOTHING!..WELL FORGET THAT,IF YOU FUCK WITH ONE BEAN,YOU FUCK WITH THE WHOLE BURRITO!!!..AND WHY ARE YOU CRYING ABOUT THAT ITS ALL ABOUT MONEY,WHO CARES!! THE'RE NOT TAKING YOURS,AND THAT THEY EXPLOIT SURENOS AND WHAT NOT?...HELLO!!!
SURENOS HAVE A LEGIONS TO YOU NOW WHO!!...SO THE MINUTE YOU JOIN A GANG,THATS WHEN YOU CHOOSE WHAT ROAD TO GO!...BESIDES THEY ARE PLENTY OF GANGBANGERS THAT DONT EVEN RAISE THEIR HAND!...SO IF SOME DO DONT BLAME OTHER PEOPLE...
CAUSE IF YOU RAISE YOUR HAND ITS BECAUSE YOU WANT TO!!!BESIDES THE BROTHERS WHERE THE FIRST TO MAKE IT EASY FOR ANY RAZA TO DO TIME..
JUST STICK TO THE PROGRAM...THATS ALL....IF NOT GO P.C.....BETTER DONT DO STUPID SHIT THAT WILL MAKE OU DO TIME!!.....

Anonymous said...

Tijuana Jailer, here's a quarter and a dime, go tell your story to someone who cares. Better yet, would you like me to join you in singing a little Kumba Ya? Physical force is the only thing blacks understand, so save your bull!

Anonymous said...

People only have so much patience for nigger nonsense.

TijuanaJailer said...

hey Tijuana jailer! Can you elaborate on the barry mills/Kato vargas connection?never heard about it before.Sounds very interesting.-THANKS

You must be working the AB case.
;-)
Barry "Red Baron" Mills (currently a co-defendant in the AB RICO that's ongoing) and Martin "Kato" Vargas (both currently doing time in the federal prison system) were "tight" in the early-1970's at DVI.

Kato had an intense hatred for blacks (Chicanos and blacks always feuded in county jails, CYA and CDC even back then) and this obviously was a major attraction for Mills, himself a black hater.

At San Quentin, in early-1971, Kato literally threw a black inmate off the East Block third's tier for returning Kato's glare. When Kato looked at someone with hatred, you were not supposed to return the stare. Kato himself at that time was 6 foot 3 and about 245, an imposing man who enjoyed quoting Hitler (he incorporated the language that pissed off the blacks).

Kato had the Eternal War tattoo on his chest and was proud of his Aztec culture. He even adopted an Aztec handle as many EME members were fond of in those days. Kato's handle was "Quetzalcoatl". Type it into your browser and your search engine will provide you with some interesting info on Quetzalcoatl.

When Kato transerred to DVI from San Q., Mills, being AB, hooked up with Kato and they immediately sent a contingent of 10 to 15 NF members scurrying for cover. According to CDC intelligence reports, the NFers would see Kato in the chow line and would exit the line and wait for Kato to pass through, get his tray and food before they would risk going through the chow line themselves.

Kato recruited the services of Barry, whom the NF did not know, and Kato gave Barry the assignment of taking out an NFer. Barry was honored and while Kato chased a group of NF members down the DVI mainline corridor, Barry proceeded to corner two, stabbed one to death and slightly wounded the second.

In lockup (K-Wing) they continued their personal alliance and activities and were involved in several incidents there as well. Included were 2 additional 187's (one each) that were not prosecuted (lack of evidence and eyewitnesses).

Upon his release on parole, Kato (being from Fresno) teamed up with Manuel "Tati" Torres Danny "DC" Cavanaugh and (while dressed as police officers) proceeded to rob several banks in Nor. Cal. NOTE: (Tati Torres is indeed the same Tati who was killed in Super Max)
SEE:
(http://inthehat.blogspot.com/2005/11/tati-torrez-killed-in-supermax-thanks.html)

I don't think convicting Barry Mills in the AB RICO will be an easy task as the feds appears to be losing ground in their efforts.

Stay tuned ........ gotta go!

Peace ......

Tijuana Jailer

R2K said...

Bono is Brian Peppers!

Anonymous said...

Physical force is the only thing blacks understand, so save your bull!

cheerleader or EME groupie?

Anonymous said...

Tijuana Jailer! Thank you for the info on the Kato/mills alliance, good shit! keep me {us} posted on any AB trial updates.-Thanks again.

Anonymous said...

cheerleader or EME groupie?

7:19 PM


...NEITHER I WOULD GUESS,THE VATO IS JUST STATING THE TRUTH,YOU KNOW WHEN YOU TRY TO ARGUE WITH A BLACK PERSON,MOST LIKELY YOUR NOT GOING TO WIN..SO THEY GOT TO UNDERSTAND ONE WAY OR ANOTHER...SHIT IN THE UNDERWORLD,IT IS NOT GOOD TO BURN
PEOPLE,THE BLACKS DO IT ALL THE TIME,SHIT!...THEY CANT EVEN RAP AND MAKE GOOD MONEY WITH OUT TRYING TO FUCK EACH OTHER OVER!

don quixote said...

Good to see you back Wally Cleaver, and your still on the ACLU, Liberal kick huh? We "left wingers" still have history on our side though! Puras curada's Wallyesha! glad your ok.
Tijuanero's been holding your ass up though, so you owe him big time!

Good thoughts as always Tijuas! And just an opinion of my own based only on my own instincts.
THe old saying "keep on underestimating us and soon we will have passed you by" in regards to Mexicans/Chicanos has real validity I would think when one thinks of the prejudice,humiliation, discriminatory laws, confusion, integration,
assimilation of other ethnicities and cultures into the "Mexican cultural mores, and in the end the Mexican only absorbs all of this and like a modern day "Phoenix bird" or "Quetzalcoatl" rises anew stronger!

I'm only using this anology to demonstrate the potential of the Carnals to concentrate and expand their base of power and influence, and not to be a "cheerleader" or propaganda minister.
This new display of power is sending an important, and shrewd psychological message to all the aprentices and journeymen, and to those in the legitimate power base. And it's very simple in it's complicity, "we call the shots whenever and wherever we want to,inside and out, and there really isn't shit you can do about it".
This makes many people very nervous justifiably. The reaction by "Govt" and enemy's of the Carnals will be interesting as it plays out. Will the "Shepherds" turn their animals over to the "wolfs" and walk away? Will the segregation of inmates increase tenfold due to expediency and helplesness?
What will the NF do now? group up with the mayates in PC? Submit to the EME and forge a new alliance as subjects? Fight a no win battle and be destroyed? Did the "Bulldogs" see this coming and thats why they have their own "Card"?
Lot's of food for thought and the ramifications could be huge for everyone.

Anonymous said...

does anyone remember the website where one can look up incedent reports from CO's ?

Anonymous said...

TJ, I think your stories are starting to be more like tall tales. 15 NF Carnals ran from one vato?
I find that hard to believe that 15 chicanos from any street gang in any state in the union would run from one vato!
One white boy taking out two full blown NF members? I know you love regaliing us with Tales from La Eme
but I can't help but think you are embellishing on these stories that you are getting 2, 3rd and perhaps 4th hand.
TJ,
Its obvious you spent most of your time in SO CAL Law Enforcement. How much Nor Cal experience do you have?
How much NOR CAL CDC experience do you have?
Is there any Nor Cal LE people on here that can confirm TJ stories. It sounds to me that TJ knows his EME history but does he know all of California?

Anonymous said...

Busters on the calles aren't as chingon as your everyday sureno but I see some big ass nortenos when I was locked up. 15 vatos scared of one is pretty hard to believe, even if they are NF Busters. They may be busters but they are still muderers.

Anonymous said...

Hey Wally its good to read something new, even though it's been out on the tv forever, but like i say its better then reading shit from con camote, caga hoe and you know who. Fuck these dudes are mind straining! Anyway we all know the shit in the system right now is all related, [M]. Yes the media is finaly saying the words MM, and hell anyone who didn't see this day coming is one fucking dumb ass. And for those who don't see the reasons for it's nessesity is lame. So Wally keep the shit coming its all good vato and fuck the coons.
p.s.
peepee chaser, all you do is repeat yourself vato, and its because you love to hear yourself talk.

Anonymous said...

click this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paRYNGHUeqM

Anonymous said...

MR. ANNONYMUS, "PINCHI LLORON" CRYING AGAIN ABOUT WHAT OTHERS SAY? yOU AINT NOTHING BUT A NET BANGING LAMBE CULO FARMER, YOU SAY SOMETHING IMPORTANT? NO, THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP AND YOU AND YOUR HOMEBOY MAYATES GO FEED YOUR FARM ANIMALS PUTO.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/w/News-about-a-thug-Street-fight-gang-Los-Angeles?v=IA0Dtn1kkMg&search=gang%20fight

This video is crazy. Look at the top of the screen toward the end of the video. You can see shots being fired into the pool hall then some dude, actually chases a dude down and shoots him in front of everyone. Crazy ass chinitos.

Anonymous said...

This for the guy that thinks T.J. jailer is full of shit.You need to study your history books son.You honestly doubt that barry mills took out two NF's?At that time the AB was dropping enemys like fucking fly's.I'm suprised he did'nt kill more.you obviously don't know anything about barry mills or his reputation.(he was eventually covicted of nearly severing the head off of a rival at USP Atlanta}How do think he rose to the very top of the AB?by talking shit? you dumb farmer.

samquinones said...

I don't know if this a good idea or not, but let's see how it goes....

I'm a reporter with the LA Times. My name is Sam Quinones.

I'm very interested in hearing from people who have information about the causes of these riots in the jails lately.

I know these things aren't new, and I know there's a lot of rumor out there. I have my own strong suspicions about what causes them in general, but i have no specific information about the roots of these riots of the last few days.

So I was hoping some among you might have real and solid intel that you might want to share, anonymously or not, that i could try to corroborate. Names, places, dates, times, gangs involved -- any of that would be helpful.

You can write me at sam.quinones@latimes.com, or call 213-237-7824, if you like.

You guys say you know a lot. Let's see if you do.

Just a friendly challenge.

Sam

Anonymous said...

Fuck You! You piece of shit white trash!
You'll having it coming to you! Don't bring that white power shit to Norte Califas, ese! Stay in Orange County fuck Micky in the culo!
You got nothing coming in the Bay Area. Dirty white piece of shit!

Anonymous said...

validated prison gangs are:
The Prison Gangs are made up (predominately) of:

EME = Mexican-Americans
NF= Mexican-Americans
BGF=Afro-Americans
AB= American Caucausions
NLR=American Caucausions

on their way to being validated are PEN1 skins who are now being used by the brand.....

mr. get low said...

when the mayates get deep enough, they will turn on the farmers, just ask a bulldog

TijuanaJailer said...

[but I can't help but think you are embellishing on these stories that you are getting 2, 3rd and perhaps 4th hand.]

And I apologize if I come across as an EME or AB cheerleader because that isn't my motive, guys. What surprises me is that anyone would still (in this day and age) marvel at how a numerically inferior group could prevail over superior numbers. Isn't this happening even as we speak? How does a handful of prison gang members (made members) direct hundreds of thousands of street gang members to do their bidding? If your numeric reasoning is correct, shouldn't all these gangs prevail over the few?

The answer is simple: FEAR. Fear is a MFer. And in prison, it is fear that makes the men stand out from the boys. The NFers in that chow line were trembling in their shoes out of FEAR. You didn't even hear the entire Kato story but since you're in a doubting mood, I'll expound on my "Tales from the Tijuana Crypt".

When Kato entered the chow hall, there were all these NFers (14, 15, 16, what difference does it really make?) already in line. When Kato is spotted (he was standing there with that hard glare and mouth salivating - "hungry" was an understatement), the NFer closest to Kato proceeds to "hop" over one of his bro's. The next NFer closest to Kato does the same and this comedy of hopping in the chow line continues until ALL the NFers are pretty much congregated next to the tray rack. A metal tray rack. (Metal trays make excellent weapons, right?) Overcome with FEAR, they instead exit the chow hall (together) rather than expose themselves to the "predator". Someone forgot to tell them that they had overwhelming numbers!

Why does a group - any group - succumb so easily to a vastly inferior number? FEAR. The EME, NF, AB and BGF (not to forget other prison gangs) are doing it today! Since when do numbers deter a deadly soldier. Those of you who served in the military know what I'm talking about.

2ND TALE FROM THE CRYPT:
Richard "Baby Boy" Resendez was from Compton, an EME soldier, who arrived at DVI in 1972. Upon entering the dayroom he was confronted by several NF members who proceeded to attack him. Not as big as Kato (B/Boy was only 6 feet and about 180 lbs.) he fought with his assailants, some who were attempting to grab and hold B/Boy for the shank wielder, a convict from San Jose named Gonzalo "Huero" Lopez. As "Huero" made his way towards his target, B/Boy broke free and charged Huero, engaged him and took away the shank, then proceeded to fatally stab Huero. B/Boy then turned toward the others who scattered out of the dayroom and ran (I know, bad boys aren't supposed to run) in different directions to the above tiers (there were 3 tiers in the housing wings). B/Boy was subsequently apprehended, locked up, charged with 187 p.c. and the charges were later dismissed (eyewitness accounts would have given him a great self-defense case!). Fact or Fiction, True Account or Tale? Hey, don't take my word for it. Do your homework. 1972; Deuel (spelled Deuel, not Duel) Vocational Institution in Tracy, California.

PELICAN BAY PRISON RIOT (2/2000):
I have observed this tape over and over and many prison gang experts have come away with similar conclusions. Had EME members (not associates) been involved in this attack, the body count would have been much higher. Once again, it is preferable that they are locked up in SHU's, unable to effectively participate and supervise "hits". Surenos and Nortenos in general will not be as motivated to "do the job right". They will for the most part do what it takes to "file a good report" with their superiors. But the hardcore, aspiring EME members who wish to impress, can be as dangerous as their EME superiors and therein lies the dilemna for LE - identifying and rooting out the main agitators.

The FEAR factor will always work for these prison gangs and will solidify their POWER in order to CONTROL.

All these "accounts" that we get into describes some of the history that took place. It's almost on par with Ripley's Believe It of Not.

Today, we indeed have evolved to the present where ALL prison gangs are murderous, dangerous and are creating a volatile landscape for our communities and our prison and jail guests.

Peace ........

Tijuana Jailer

Anonymous said...

Nortenos riot in San Quentin against blacks then the Southsiders riot against blacks. Coincedence or what are the chances of an uneasy alliance between north and south to get rid of the blacks?

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/02/02/MNGG4H1PJL9.DTL

Anonymous said...

Get down Tijuas, you are always posting interesting subject matter. I haven't been checking the site for a while but, I already can see you and Quixote are still holding this blog down.

"Youngster with Game"

Anonymous said...

Wally,
Some vato over at Brownpride.com is copying and pasting your posts on this blog into the Street Gang forum verbatim. He is not giving credit to the source and it reads like he's the one that writing it.
Check out all the posts from someone named Latino. Look familiar?


http://brownpride.us/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=026afd1a564e19bbc55feaa4ac6987dd&daysprune=-1&f=10

Anonymous said...

Why form an alliance with some one who is inferior? When you can just take them out. Then you don't have to share any of the rewards. Also The "Big Homies" don't have to get rid of the blacks like T.J. said "it is about money" if the mayates start fucking up there money then there is a reason to get rid of a few (flex their muscles)and let people know who runs Cali. Flexing must be done from time to time to keep the fear in them, so enemies don't start getting big headed.NF or the blacks don't want none, so they are an after thought you might say.

"Youngster with Game"

Anonymous said...

you vatos cheering for the eme, be careful what you wish for. these riots weren't only a show of force, it consolidated their power not only over the surenos, but all mexicans. If its not here today, there may come a day when a normal hardworking mexican opens up a business to better his family and two pelones show up telling him he has to pay protection. The black hand in the early 1900's would drain a man of hope and do with him as he pleased because they could. Thats no way to live, your olny option is to become a gangster yourself, or move far away. eat or be eaten
i aspired to that since as far back as i can remember. i wouldnt want it for my family though.

Anonymous said...

Hey T.J. Jailer! Got any background on T.D. Bingham's rise to power?-Thanks

Anonymous said...

go away sam, i think ive heard wally say that the times steals stories from here and then doesn't give credit. the ccpoa site will give you updates on assaults in cdc, including riots

R2K said...

Nigga please, New York run dis!
Bono is Brian Peppers!

RetiredJoker said...

Wally, I got your back I went over to Brownpride.US and sent message to the admin and those posts have already been locked and I also sent a PM to the chavala who was stealing from you and told him to stop and that he was now IN THE HAT. ;o)
I told the Admin to apologize to you also. He was pretty much blalantly ripping you off and not even citing his sources and made it sound like he was speaking from his own experiences.
Don't worry Wally, I put him on the leva.

Gava Joe said...

Now I gots to be "caga hoe"? That's funny Senor Anonymous.

Those two posts on Brownpride were Wally's, "Two Friends, Two Gangs" and "Snitches, Stanley, And Redemption".. They were'nt posted by "Latino" but by our old friend senor kissass norteno Retired Joker. He'll also be returning as any old assorted anonymous'so you may not recognize him.

I got nothing else to contribute, and do'nt care if the fuckin LA Times steals shit off this blog but it aint right for a commentor, supposed member of the disfunctional family, to post Wally's content on another Raza focused blog and not give props to the author..Fini

Larry Pope said...
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samquinones said...

for the record, i don't steal stories from anyone. I go out and interview primary sources for my information

Anonymous said...

Yeah rite Joker - So how come those two posts had your handle on them not 20 minutes ago?

RetiredJoker said...

Because I just told them to stop posting and not giving credit to the source, dumbass.

RetiredJoker said...

Ain't nodody kissing ass Joe, its you who come in her licking Latino Dick all day long, what now white boy?
I tried to be nice, but now you're talking to much shit, ese. I don't give fuck about you or Kansas, old timer. So stop talking out the side of your neck. I didn't copy Wallys posts over there, I posted to Latino that he needs to name his source.
And look at his posts now...
http://brownpride.us/forum/showthread.php?p=216#post216

So don't talk masa if you don't have any proof. Don't ever try and dissrespect me holmes, saying I post Anonymous. Check yourself, I've been posting on this blog for a while and have always given my name and I have always given vatos on this blog respecto. Fucking Punk.

Anonymous said...

Yeah rite Joker.. i dont see no post

You Lie

RetiredJoker said...

You don't see the posts because the admin took them down, lame ass.
Eead my post, I said I sent them a PM. PRIVATE MESSAGE to you non techincal types. Since when has there been so many lops on this blog?

RetiredJoker said...

This is my PM to the admin of that site. NOW what, Joe? I ain't that retired, holmes. I will slap a bitch.


Hazer
Administrator Join Date: Jan 2006
Age: 28
Posts: 103

Re: Latino is stealing posts and giving no credit

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Quote:
Originally Posted by retiredjoker
Check your site, holmes. He's cutting and pasting into the Street Gang forum from another blog and not even giving credit.

I already told Wally at Inthehat, so in case you don't want to be embarassed you may want to remove or edit the posts, and apologize and get Wally his due credit.
That vatos blog was been up for 3 years.
Look at his posts in Street Gangs then go here. Look familiar?

http://inthehat.blogspot.com/


ill get this fixed

Anonymous said...

I just seen the forum post it has a link back? i also see that they have lots of gangster girls there so thats cool

Gava Joe said...

Damn ! You are good...

don quixote said...

Another good post Tijuanero as usual, but I don't think anyone except one or two exceptions would challenge your expertise.
Another example of the ruthlessness and fearless response of some of the Carnals,( and I'm not trying to diminish or diss NF, just expounding on what TJ is trying to tell you, about the cream of the crop that developes over generations and hundreds of thousands of gangsters in the So Cal talent pool, and what it takes to be a "chosen one").
When "Tigger Salinas" was just a kid 21? he was already on the "youngsters to watch list" (by you know who) and because of his ferocity and no retreat attitude was sent to DVI on a 187 by the state to teach him a lesson and send a message, (at that time 20 25 years ago DVI was a NF joint.)
If I remember correctly it was on the first or second day he was there, he hits the chow line and was surrounded by NFers because it was known he was from AVE's and a sureno.
He was already shanked down and without hesitation started sticking the NFers and by himself had them on the retreat.
This is not a big "Kato" type guy but a typical "Never back up," and attack to kill without any warning, or mad dogging or chest beating, or calling out, simply, very coldly,attack and kill.
The state moved him to Q very quickly as their experiment failed miserably.
It's hard for a person who hasn't been exposed to this to understand that mentallity but as Tijuas has described, and Mundo Mendoza in his book explains "a completely twisted social value system was established",. And as Tijuas also pointed out "Fear" is the greatest ally and weapon being used in the prisons and streets today

don quixote said...

Hey Joker I don't know about those posts being stolen but when you react to Gava Joe like you did you do sound like Mr. Anonymus norteno.
Check yourself Joker, and get off the net threats cause it's not kosher and just empty threats. What? you going to go to Kansas and bitch slap Gava Joe? I don't think so.
Calmado!

RetiredJoker said...

Don,
I don't appreciate being falsely accused of anything. If you start playing that game, then I will retaliate and defend myself. On the calles, thats more than enough for a beatdown. Its like my juvie counseler told me. "They can take you off the streets but can't take the streets out of you".
So no need to try and check me, homie, I'm a grown man and its all good.

Gava Joe said...

I'll meet him halfway in Salt Lake City. They got Mormonos there. Thanks Don Q - but you do'nt need to cover my shit.

I aint no "techie" like this dude, but I know what I seen. Followed
the youngster's url to Brownpride and saw the poster was'nt any "Latino" but was a name I recognized, Retired Joker..

So I called him a kissass. That's the way the dude struck me all "yeah homie, San Jo this and Salas that , And watsonvilla. Fuckem...

But sabes que? Quicker than shit the whole thread gets altered and the names change. So maybe I shoulda held my mud, but I seen what I seen and I brought it home.My bad... Maybe.

I already blew my wad hereabouts anyway. Nothing more to say.

Beware.. these fuckin techies can make your life miserable.. Unless you wanna do a drive by best just let em run-- its their jungle..

TijuanaJailer said...

(You need to study your history books son.You honestly doubt that barry mills took out two NF's? At that time the AB was dropping enemys like fucking fly's.I'm suprised he did'nt kill more.)

In the very early years, the AB were utilized more as "back up" for the EME. AB had their own agenda but would gladly stash and carry pieces for the EME. Then they provided "backup" support. Just like the AB didn't really "need" EME to help them fight their battles, EME didn't "need" AB either. But the relationship soon graduated to actually participating in hits together. In addition to the Barry Mills-"Kato" Vargas association, the following are some additional examples of the 187's (multiply the 211's by at least 10 to give you an idea of the non-fatal assaults and we might be close).

Soledad (November-1968):
AB's "Indian Snake" (a Native American, by the way) and EME's Gabriel "Little Sluggo" Castaneda (Hoyo Maravilla) stabbed an inmate (Jimmy Trembley) to death and leave him in his cell with his headphones on;

Chino (April-1972):
NF's Freddie Castillo was stabbed to death by AB's Fred "Snake Eyes" Mendrin and Donald Hale. Romanticists like to point to this hit as the execution that "sealed the pact between AB and EME" because it was the first joint execution of an NF member. The relationship had already been "sealed" in late-1971 at San Quentin as the EME, with AB assistance, launched a series of yard attacks and regained exclusive control of the San Quentin yard and never relinquished this control until the administration separated EME and NF once and for all in early-1973 following the killing of Cheyenne Cadena (SEE: "American Me").

Soledad-North Facility (September-1972):
AB's Michael "Mickey" Manier stabs Julio "Lugo" Lugo to death on the yard;

Soledad-Central Facility (Christmas Day-1972): Robert "Bogus Bob" Patton and Larry "Buffalo" Herth actively assist EME in a blood bath that leaves two NF (Francisco "Cisco" Villalobos and Pablo Najera) dead in two separate Wings (D and G-Wings);

You can call it an association born in hell but these two groups have had a way of making their attacks count through the years and their "resumes" precede their younger generation of soldiers. Now you know why the Feds are seeking death penalty convictions versus the hard core AB members - Tom "Terrible" Tom Silverstein, Barry Mills, Rick Terflinger, T.D. Bingham, Ron Slocum, John Stinson, etc. Achieving convictions will be extremely difficult. In the meantime, these defendants are in "Disneyland". What better interruption to a life sentence than to be in a county facility or in a housing where "legal runners" (a girlfriend) and visitors can frequently take care of their men. It sure beats Super Max!

Peace ........

Tijuana Jailer

TijuanaJailer said...

By the way, don't any of you guys have real jobs? Or are we all in the blissful state of retirement Retired Joker and I. Joker, you have one of the best handles on this Blog.

We are dysfunctional but I believe Wally is working on a comedic sitcom with a distinct Chicano twist.

Got's to run.

Peace to all .......

Tijuana Jailer

RetiredJoker said...

Joe,
You know what old timer, I will just let it slide. Obviously, you can't see well without your bifocals.
I would never kiss your pale white ass.
Take a look at your posts. You seem to be the one wishing your were brown coming here in here talking all this puro pedo. I may be a old farmero but you are just a wannabe.

I posted using my same name telling him to stop copying from this site. Admit it, you were wrong and were talking out the side of your neck before you had all the facts. Surely, having spent time in the pinta, A nickle, right? You should know that.

Sabes que, agree to disagree old man but don't run my name through the mud.

RetiredJoker said...

Ok, before I head off the my anger management class, I got a question for TJ.

We all know about the riots that have been going inside the CDC as of late.
Peope on this blog have all guessed at various reasons that it was ordered.
Is it possible that La Eme and/or The NF are causing these so called race riots in order to get segregated once again so that they can conduct business more efficiently?
If they put all the chicanos with each other than obviuously they will be around more of their own soldiers and can run their "business" more effciently?
So TJ, is this all cover to get prisons segregated again?

TijuanaJailer said...

Is it possible that La Eme and/or The NF are causing these so called race riots in order to get segregated once again so that they can conduct business more efficiently?

When "harmony" prevails, either on the streets or in prison, it can only be deemed "successful" if the yards (or the neighborhoods) are paying the piper, so to speak.

As criminal groups solidify their positions in their coveted/claimed turf, they get ambitious and seek to extend or expand thier scope of influence.

L.A. Blacks (better said, So.Cal blacks) sell drugs in an area that the EME is now coveting as theirs.
By first gaining an iron fisted control of the Chicano street gangs, it is logical for them to now covet the black areas. That is, the black gangs will be expected to "pay the piper" as in taxes, as in selling EME's dope, etc.

When the blacks balk, coupled with their "natural antagonism" vs. Chicano gang members, what better way to stir the pot. Perpetuate this anti-black sentiment, take it to the "next level" and let the chips fall where they may.

They will be waiting to "pick up the pieces" and continue their version of "manifest destiny".

The NF may be having similar "problems" up North. Who knows? Like a soap opera, it will all play out and nothing good will emerge, I'm afraid.

Now I really got's to go for today, guys. I just saw your last comment and wanted to post a quick response. My grand kids want me to teach their dog how to swim! Geez !!!

Peace .......

Tijuana Jailer

Gava Joe said...

Joker wrote: Admit it, you were wrong and were talking out the side of your neck..

Early experience tells me do'nt cop to nuthin..

I just listened to an interview w/"Terrible Tom Silverstein".. You can too! go to: www.peteearley.com and navigate to the interviews. Note the man's drawings and read what he's endured. Listen to his words. 21:20 into the 26 minute interview the man gives motive for what you're seeing right now with the riots, etc.. Here he is the undisputed leader of AB and there's not a tat on him.."No human contact"..................

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
"p.s. i have to agree that the tintos tend to be loud and not give a fuck rapping till all hours of the night, not only that but there a bunch of haters, i heard from a black man that one black man doesnt like to see another black man have more than him"
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What I find disturbing about this statement is not due to the fact that I'm black and find it offensive. I find it disturbing due to the fact that I'm black and I actually agree with it. What you've described (loud and not giving fuck) is what I've noticed for years. I really noticed it when I came back to the states after living in Japan and Korea for a few years.

I've had more confrontations with my 'brothas' than I care to remember. It was always the screaming and putting on a show which caused me to go berserk on these fools.

American blacks (I've had zero problems w/ foreign born blacks) in general do NOT seem to like seeing other black people come up. It's the classic "crabs in the bucket" theory.

That's why I can't really trip on some of the sentiments (like the one I'm responding to) expressed in this blog's comments section.

Don't get it twisted though, I am NOT "hating on" my own people.

Anonymous said...

wow he's alive!

Anonymous said...

terrible tom is not the undisputed leader of the brand you dipshit.....

Anonymous said...

terrible tom is not the undisputed leader of the brand you dipshit.....

Dipshit? LOL

Anonymous said...

Never been to jail nor do I want to be, but a quick question for you . One report on these riots has them starting @ 2:oo a.m., how does that happen at this hour and isn't the place on lockdown? Is the CDC allowing this ala Corcoran SHU battles a few years back(I believe it was at Corcoran)

trukos said...

TJ, we all know you know your shit, dont trip. yea i seen that on brownpride.com, just a little something i dont know how down these younger vato are, but ive heard that sometimes up here they are open to truces and get certain gangas back against mayate clicks, that up here though its all twisted and some of the ss's ive seen arent from real so cal hoods, just born up here and take the southside on as theirs, nobody up here is aware of how big this pedo is getting

hydroso said...

TJ, I'd like to hear your opinion on the following topic.
With all matters, there is often more than one "pot" stirring or brewing. Therefore, stepping aside from the recent black vs brown media exposures, I wonder how hot the brotherhood and MS "pot" is at the moment and in the foreseeable future. As far as I know, MS has been acknowledging (not much of an option i suppose) the brotherhood by "paying the piper" but as we can see, the MS has been steadily (relatively fast) expanding its operations around the states and parts of the globe. As it *seems*, they may be trying to better organize themselves. From the beginning, they weren't enthusiastic about "paying the piper" and perhaps they are expanding and patiently waiting until they are more established inside before they decide to expunge their relationship with the brothers. Some may say that perhaps this relationship fits them well as a "business" relationship (which it seems to), but I do believe they have a strong sense of pride and feeling of independence that they crave. After all, revolutions are were fought for independence.

Anonymous said...

Gava Joe and all you white traitors had better shut the fuck up. We don't talk about this shit. we act. so, quit runnin your neck on this board. Our fellas in lockdown rt now are going with the program that is dealt. Our boys have alliance that prevails. So shut your neck, gava. Guero motherfucker. You realize you put our brothers on showtime for all to see? Primetime you asshole.
We stand with our sureno folds. Let them monkeys get the just rewards.

Shut the fuck up!

Anonymous said...

Gava Joe and all you white traitors had better shut the fuck up.

You better get your silly stupid ass back to talking to those cows that fall in lock step to big mouths like you. This Blog is off limits for sissies like you so beat it, bitch.

Anonymous said...

Fuck yall punks who post threatening anonymous posts I'll kill you all!

Anonymous said...

does anybody know what website is where i can go to check C.O.'s prison reports?

Anonymous said...

FOR ONE THING MS WILL NEVER EVER PREVAILE OVER THE BROTHERS...MOST OF THESE MS GANGS ARENT EVEN OFFICIAL...NOTHING BUT PAISAS FROM EL SALVADOR...THEY SHARE THE SAME NAME BUT ARE NOT IN CURRENT COMMUNICATIONS....IT'S MOSTLY ALL HYPE!...

Anonymous said...

does anybody know what website is where i can go to check C.O.'s prison reports?

Not sure about a web site but the freedom of information act might give access.(?) I think you can only go back so many years as records are expunged after a certain period.

Anonymous said...

i'm starting a new prison gang and here are the two names i have so far 1) LAVA which stands for lames against violent acts or 2) NRR for the nazi rack riders.....hahaha fuck all the internet tuff guys.....Tijuana Jailer rawks

trukos said...

holy fuckin shit! did you just see the o'riley factor, with lisa ling reporting on ms13, they were calling it the new mafia, how fuckin clueless are these people, damn! my God, what the hell is going on? are they trying make a situation? really? what the fuck? somone please explain? and they are trying to direct this to due to mexican imagrants, fuck i wish i could sit these fuckers down and school them, i am at a loss of words now, shit help me out here please

don quixote said...

Don't worry about O'reilly factor, he was descredited big time after getting busted not only for being a big ambustero but also whispering into the phone to his female assistants "I'm going to put peanut butter on my verga and a firemans helmet on, paint my naked body day glow pink and crawl into your shower and stick a carrot up your" you can imagine the rest! He's a pathetic clown who takes himself serious, but no one else does.
Kind of like our LA TImes cub reporter "Sam Quinones" who issues us a challenge "if you guys know so much let's hear it, I challenge you!"
Hey Quinones get your ass out in the streets!
If your copping material off the internet, how a little payback for Tijuanero, publicize his "Mundo Book" that's got enough info in it to give you a clue to what;s going on.
Where'd you grow up Quinones? Pixley, Green Acres?

Anonymous said...

here's some info on "the most dangerous gang in the world" lol!

National Geographic Channel’s goes deep inside the world of MS-13 Sunday February 12 8P et/pt in Explorer: “World’s Most Dangerous Gang.”

TijuanaJailer said...

[Hey T.J. Jailer! Got any background on T.D. Bingham's rise to power?-Thanks]

Haven't forgotten about you, guy. I'm "weekending with the rug rats" as we "speak". Will follow the T.D. trail in the next day or so.
AB trial info will be forthcoming as well as info on Alice Baker
co-defendants!

No Peace this weekend!

Tijuana Jailer

Anonymous said...

O'Reilly is firme with me, he never backs down from anyone. That sexual harassment lawsuit was pura madera.

Anonymous said...

Something from another site, perhaps it's been read already, just shareing.

Alpha KaOs wrote,

Good read on the escalating tensions between Black and Latino Youth in Southern California. You really only told half the story though but this is the first time in my life that I have read or seen anyone report on this situation with any accuracy. But alas, you still only told of half the story.
This WAR was called by La Eme. It wasn’t racial per se but that is what it boiled down to. This was a massive power grab for control of Cocaine Distribution in the United States of America. This is a Drug War and since Cocaine has been introduced to the United States: more specifically Crack Cocaine, Blacks and Latinos have been the mules that have pushed kilos throughout the United States.
The main supplier of Cocaine had opted out of the business after the Presidential Election in 1992. With the defeat of George Bush, the covert operation used to fund secret wars in Latin America and the Middle East came to an abrupt halt. One would have to wonder why Cocaine was so cheap in Southern California: cheaper than Florida, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, & Texas which are all closer to the point of origin than the Ports of Long Beach.
For over a decade, the cocaine trade in America had it’s best supplier of all–the United States Government. All those pardons that you saw concerning the Iran-Contra scandel were basically get out of jail free cards for drug traffickers. Manuel Noriega received all types of aid from our government while he was allowing ships to transport tons of cocaine through the Panama Canal into the port of Long Beach. When it appeared he could not be controlled, Iran-Contra was discovered, and that many people would begin to talk to save their own collective asses, the one witness that could bring the whole government down was tried for Drug Crimes in the United States and silenced forever in a Federal Prison.
How do Latino Gangs play into this. When it was discovered that the operation was going to shut down (Supply Chain for powder Cocaine) in 1993 if Bush were to lose the election, a golden opportunity availed itself for someone to supply Cocaine to America. The routes had already been established. The Customer base was still available to deliver the product. All someone had to do was take delivery in South America and deliver the product to the shores of America.
El Eme got greedy…At first the price of cocaine went down from just under $13K a Kilo to around $9K/kilo. The Mexican Mafia then decided to eliminate the Black Drug Dealers. As you stated in your editorial, Black Gangs and Mexican Gangs have lived harmoniously in Los Angeles for years. The gang war that set it off was South Los vs 107 Hoovers. El Eme instructed the SoXLos to tax the Myates $10K/kilo over the normal price of $13K/kilo. This caused the first war to start because the Hoovers resorted to their first line occupation: Robbery. El Eme put a Green Light on 107 Hoovers and every Mexican Gang in LA was gunning for 107 Hoovers. This spilled over to 112 Hoover, then to 59 Hoover, then 52 Hoover, 83 Hoover, 74 Hoover. As the Mexican gangs stopped differentiating between Young Black Males and Hoovers, this drew in other Black Gangs like One Eleven, Underground which brought all the Neighborhood Crips in.
The same situation unfolded in the Jungle when the 18th Street Rancho Park Boys (RPB) began warring with the Black P. Stones; a Blood Gang in the Jungle. This escalated to a full war on all Blood sets within the RPB territory. Soon Rollin 20s NHB, Rollin 30 Fruit town, Rollin 20 Avenues, and 30 Piru were in a war with 18th Street. This was over control of the crack cocaine distribution system in these gang controlled neighborhoods. Anyone that knows anything about Gangs in Los Angeles and Drugs, understands that no one would or could sell dope in another persons hood without killing them. That’s a fact.
So whoever posted this diatribe about El Eme attempting to stem the flow of violence in the Brown Community is pushing BS. El Eme was taking control of the Cocaine Drug Market and knew that they needed all their resources to wrestle the distribution from the hands of the Black Gangs in South Central LA. For a minute it looked like they were going to accomplish their mission. As Black Gangs were still at odds with each and then this new assault from the Mexican Gangs (And it’s just that with the exception of MS–all Mexican Gangs which is why midway in this post I stopped calling them Latino Gangs)they had to regroup. Black Gangs were getting messages from their comrades in state prisons saying there were being slaughtered inside because of the retaliation their sets were doing on the outside. They had to form alliances with groups like the Nation of Islam, Black Guerrilla family, Blue Notes, Blood Nation, and the New Black Panther Party for protection.
A few strong sets in the Black Gang Community put the El Eme coup to rest but you still have some strong holds that have the mentality of ridding the basin of Black Gangs. But with Crips and Bloods dropping their Crip and Blood designation to form stronger alliances such as the Rolling 20 Outlaws and all Hoover Sets. Eight Tray Gangsters are believed to be discussing doing the same. Rolling 60s and Rolling 30s are doing the same.
That my friends would usher in a whole new era of Gang Warfare in the Streets of South Central.
But this was a DOPE grab. Don’t romanticize this situation with any love for the Latin Community, this is about money plan and simple. In the penitentiary, El Eme clicked up with the Aryan Nation in an attempt to control the Black Male Prison Population because they couldn’t do it themselves. The Nuerte’s wasn’t having that and let the Surreno’s run El Eme. The Nuerte’s control San Salvador, Panama, and Eastern Mexico. After a few choice shipments were hijacked en route to California, the Surrenos understood that they couldn’t control all Mexican Gangs and none of the Latin Gangs. Trying to move product to Detroit, Chicago, New York, Pittburg, or definitely down South in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, & Texas was going to be impossible and the Black Street Gangs had already got a strong foot hold of these territories.
So Sur13 had to back down because what’s more obvious than a Black Hoodlum in the White Suburbs than a Mexican anywhere other than California and Arizona. Especially a Cholo that can’t quite blend like 2000 era Black Gang Bangers have with the Hip Hop Culture.
Anyway…that’s the part you left out. Now the whole story is out there.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know the true motive for the recent ritos in L.A. County Jail? Some newspapers have reported that they are retribution for the slaying of an EME member in South Los Angeles. Other reports state than a Latino was stabbed up at the Pitchess facility. I wanted to get some clarification on whether or not the slaying in South Los Angeles was in fact that of a made EME member or an associate, and whether or not that killing took place at the time the rolling 60s burned Florencia? Perhaps it was a little of everything but I just wanted to get some clarification on the media's flaky version of events leading up to the riots. Thanks....

Anonymous said...

It's La Eme not El Eme, and it's Surenos not Surrenos you nigger cheerleader.

Anonymous said...

Dumb Nigger!!!

Anonymous said...

very impressive work from wally and TJ. as someone who resides across the pond from you yanks it puts it into perspective when one thinks of the "gangsters" who operate over here.

Anonymous said...

Niggers?? Did someone say Niggers?

Theeeiiirrr, Bouncy Bouncy Bouncy Bouncy, Fun Fun Fun Fun Fun....
But the most wonderful thing about Niggers, "IS YOUR THE ONLY ONE"

Yooouuuurrr THE ONLY ONE!

Anonymous said...

Hey Tijuas or DQ, or whomever:

Heres a couple of things I would like to get updated on, you might have a little info on it since you guys seem to know all. What was behind the killing of "La India" in the late 70's, why was she put in the hat? I think it happened in Monrovia. She used to move alot of drogas. Are you familiar with a veterano by the name of Casimiro he was originally from Hicks/Hayes in El Monte I think his last name was Rodriguez, (aka) "Casi" he did a long stretch, about thirty years. When I was growing up He was like a legend in the neighborhood. I was just wondering if he was playing in the big leagues? Have you seen the the "Mexican Mafia Timeline" on the internet, there is a photo of ten "Brothers" the guy second to the right in front, wearing the slingshot looks like "Dido" the guy that got whacked in El Monte.Is that him? I heard Luis "Big Homie" Maciel got put "in the hat" for that desmadre, what do you know?

I know curiosity killed el gato, but an inquiring mind wants to know.

Maybe after the grandkids go home you will find time to answer some inquiries.

don quixote said...

QUE BARBARO! the world, even the internet world is a small place.

Click up "nuestra familia prison gang" (use Yahoo search if you can)
scroll down to "The fall of an empire" NF by "Anonymus", read the cagada and then tell me it isn't written by our own "Mr Anonymus" Gava Joes net banging nemisis!

Anonymous said...

what the fuck is "EL EME"?

Anonymous said...

Click up "nuestra familia prison gang" (use Yahoo search if you can)

funny how there is a huge true story about the NF's history if an NF expert would simply concern themselves with accuracy rather than propoganda. and this page is filled with stark inaccuracies. Even Mundo's book on La EME (not El EME) has more accurate information about the NF's original members than this so-called NF page.

StillNoScript said...

trukos said...

"my God, what the hell is going on? are they trying make a situation? really? what the fuck? somone please explain? and they are trying to direct this to due to mexican imagrants"


Welcome to Neo-Conservatism 101.

Anonymous said...

Welcome to Neo-Conservatism 101.

and what, pray tell, does this have to do with Smog in L.A.?

StillNoScript said...

don quixote said...

Don't worry about O'reilly factor, he was descredited big time after getting busted not only for being a big ambustero but also whispering into the phone to his female assistants "I'm going to put peanut butter on my verga and a firemans helmet on, paint my naked body day glow pink and crawl into your shower and stick a carrot up your" you can imagine the rest!


No need to imagine...

Here it is:

{Trukos, if O Reilly's piece on MS pissed you off, this will make you feel A LOT better...)

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris14.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris16.html

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris9.html

Anonymous said...

Still No Script still hasn't learned his listen. You stupid bitch why do you always bring up liberal versus conservative bullshit and then bitch about it when the rest in this blog destroy you in a debate. I get it!! You are a liberal and you think conservatives are evil. So get off the republican nuts already. You want to keep going so this blog can make you look like a fool again, or do you actually belive you held your own in the last little debate. Well I got news for you, you didn't.


P.S. Yeah O'reilly lost a lot credibility for saying one thing and doing another. But then again so did Michael Moore.LOL.

P.S. MS13 IS ALL HYPE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE HELL THIS BULLSHIT ABOUT THEM NOT PAYING TAXES CAME UP, BUT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT MS13 GETS TAXED HARD FOR THE SHIT THEY DID IN THE PAST. THEY FOUGHT THE GOOD FIGHT FOR A WHILE BUT FAILED. MAYBE MS13 DOES SEEM TO OTHER PEOPLE LIKE A SUPER KILLER GANG, BUT IN I SOUTHEN CALIFORNIA THEY ARE JUST ANOTHER OF MANY VIOLENT GANGS, NOTHING SPECIAL. AND I AM NOT GOIN TO HATE BECAUSE EVERY BODY KNOWS THAT MS13 IS DOWN, WETHER YOU LIKE THEM OR NOT. THIS IS ONLY FOR THE MS13 IN SO CAL, WHICH IS THE BIGGEST AND MOST VIOLENT MS13 IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT YOU DON'T HERE ABOUT THEM BECAUSE THOSE FOOLS AIN'T USUALLY IMMIGRANTS. THE SPIN OFF MS13 ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE JUST AS GAY AS THE SPIN OFF BLOOD AND CRIP ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO ENDS MY LONG P.S.

Oh and I always wondered what does P.S. mean.

Anonymous said...

WELL GUYS...NOBODY HAS THE ACTUAL FACTS ABOUT THE BROTHERS,NF,THE RIOTS IN WAYSIDE OR WHY THEY EVEN STARTED...EVERY ONE SEEMS TO KNOW A LITTLE OF THIS OR THAT....LETS JUST DROP IT!...STICK TO STORIES OF THE PAST...SOME WAR STORIES OR SOMETHING....CAUSE ONE PERSON SAYS THIS,... AND ANOTHER SAYS THAT,..
AND IN REALITY NON OF US KNOW!!!
EXAMPLE (EL EME?)...WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT!!!...JUST DROP THE WHY'S
AND THE FINGER POINTING!!...THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN RACIAL TENSION BETWEEN BLACKS AND LATINOS..SO C'MON!..WHY DONT YOU GUYS NOTICE THAT THEIR IS NO POLITICAL LATINO
STANDING UP AND DENOUNCING THE RIOTS IN PUBLIC?IS IT THAT US LATINOS AREN'T CRY BABIES?.....
THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THOSE LATINOS IN JAIL ARE OUR OWN HENTE?
AND EVERYONE'S RELATATED TO SOMEONE
AND THEREFORE SPEAKING OUT AND LASHING OUT AT THE VIOLENCE WILL ONLY BASE BLAME WITHIN OURSELVES
BECAUSE US AS LATINOS ARE FAILING
TO REACH OUT TO OUR YOUTH?.....
BECAUSE ILL TELL YOU ONE THING,SOME OF THOSE BLACK CLERGY MEN OR CHURCH GOING ACTIVIST,WHAT EVER YOU WANT TO CALL THEM,THEY ARE HIPPOCRITS!!THEY GO IN BECAUSE THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR BLACK PEOPLE THAT ARE INCARCERATED,AND THEY ARE DENOUNCING THE VIOLENCE,
BUT AT THE SAME TIME,ON THE FOX11 NEWS AT 10,I SAW A BLACK PREACHER
(WHEN ASKED HOW BLACKS WERE DOING)
HE HAD THE GULL TO STATE AND I QUOTE! "THEY FELT LIKE THEY WERE ON TOP OF THINGS....THERE NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT"....SO IN OTHER WORDS....YOU GOT A BLACK PREACHER..
STATING THAT HIS BLACK PEOPLE CAN HANDLE THEMSELVES?....SO HE WAS QUICK TO PICK SIDES,AND HE IS A MAN OF THE CHURCH?.....HE SHOULDNT PICK SIDES...HE SHOULD OF MENTIONED
THEIR NEEDS OR WANTS,HE WAS INVITED BY THE LASO SO HE COULD TALK TO THEM AND TRY TO MAKE PEACE RIGHT?...AND THAT OTHER FOOL OMARI OR OSARI WHATEVER HIS FUCKEN NAME IS,HE WAS YELLING AND SAYING AND I QUOTE! "THERE NOT SCARED,THEY HAVE NO FEAR!",THEN THEY SHOWED THE BLACK INMATES AND THEY WERE ALL QUITE,EXCEPT FOR ONE,ONCE MORE I QUOTE! HE SAID..."I NEEDS MEDICAL ATTENTION...I GOT HURT I WAS KICKED IN THE BACK"....SO THE BLACKS MUST OF BEEN ASKING FOR HELP OR ATTENTION ON THE ISSUE,BUT THEIR CLERGYMEN WERE MORE WORRIED ABOUT HOW THEY LOOKED!!THE BLACKS ARE GETTING RUSHED!PERIOD!!AND ON THE SAME AIRING ON THE NEWS I SAW RAZA SAYING THAT THE BLACKS ARE LOUD AND SMELL THEY DONT TAKE SHOWERS,AND NOBODY DISPUTED IT,NOT EVEN THE BLACK CLERGY MEN!!YOU KNOW WHY?CAUSE IT'S TRUE!!ALL IM TRYING TO SAY IS THAT THE BLACK RACE ALWAYS SEEMS TO STIR SHIT UP AND THEN THEY CRY TO THE COPS AND TO THE MEDIA...LAST NIGHT AT THE CONVENTION CENTER THERE WAS A "COLLEGE FEST".....COLLEGE!!
AND EVEN THERE THEY ACT LIKE ANIMALS!!A FUCKEN BALLOON POPPED!!
LOL!! A FUCKEN BALLOON!! AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE START RUNNING OUT THE DOORS!CAUSING HAVOC!!...OVER A BALLOON THAT POPPED BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS A GUNSHOT!! WTF! CMON!! THEN THEY GO OUTSIDE AND START PUNKING A PAISA,A PALETERO! THEY TRIED TAKING HIS SHIT,BUT THE PAISA DIDNT LET HIMSELF,BUT ULTIMATELY
HE HAD TO RUN CAUSE THESE BLACK ASSWIPES WERE GOING TO FUCK HIM UP!!...THEY ALSO STARTED BANGING ON CARS JUMPING ON THEM!! STUPID PEOPLE!!!THEN THE COPS SHOW UP MOST OF THEM RAN BUT A HUNDRED STOOD THERE TAUNTING THE COPS,SO THE COPS RUSHED THEM,THEN THEY START CRYING ABOUT IT! SOME BLACK GIRL SAID..."THE ARE BEATING OUR PEOPLE!!"STUPID BITCH...SHE SHOULD OF LEFT ALONG WITH THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY WERE ASKED TO.
THEY NEVER! NEVER! WANT TO GET BLAMED FOR ANYTHING....EVEN WHEN THEY ARE WRONG,THEY THINK THEY ARE RIGHT!..EVEN WITH THE RODNEY KING THING...HE WAS ON PAROLE,RUNNING FROM THE COPS,OKAY THEY KICKED HIS ASS RIGHT,OKAY IT WAS WRONG,BUT LONG STORY SHORT,COPS FINALLY ENDED UP FIRED,RODNEY KING A MILLIONARE,AND REGINAL DENNY?...FUCKEN DISFIGURED?DAMOIN FOOTBALL WILLIAMS STILL GOT OUT AND WAS SUSPECT IN A MURDER!
THE COPS DIDNT GET THEIR JOB BACK!
AND REGINAL DENNY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME,SO WHO WAS THE WINNER HERE?.....RODNEY(BLACK)KING?
WASNT HE RUNNING FROM THE POLICE AND ON PAROLE?,AND EVEN HE HIMSELF WASNT SATISFIED,HE KEPT GETTING BUSTED FOR DRUGS AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE!!...AND THEN THE BLACKS BURNED THEIR OWN PART OF TOWN!!
THEY HAD NO BANKS!,MARKET! AND EVEN LOST JOBS!! FUCKEN STUPID ASS PEOPLE....AND ASK ME WHY THE PUBLIC AND POLITICIAN HERE THEM OUT ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING,AND GIVE THEM SPECIAL ATTENTION IS BEYOND ME!!.....THEY SHOULD JUST STOP GIVING THEM THEIR NIPPLE...
AND LET THOSE BABIES CRY ALL THEY WANT TILL THEY LEARN TO BE MORE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS..

Anonymous said...

anonynous asked. What was the motive behind the killing of "La India" in the 70's?
Word was she was an old time dealer, her and her family had been around forever, and survived by playing all the angles, whatever it took, which means lying, cheating, giving people up to various allies (LE or other)and the shit just caught up with her when she started playing that shit with the carnals.

Anonymous said...

"....SO IN OTHER WORDS....YOU GOT A BLACK PREACHER..
STATING THAT HIS BLACK PEOPLE CAN HANDLE THEMSELVES?....SO HE WAS QUICK TO PICK SIDES,AND HE IS A MAN OF THE CHURCH?.....HE SHOULDNT PICK SIDES..."

I know exactly what you mean big dawg. It just goes to show you how full of shit blacks are when one of their so-called clergymen takes sides in a race issue like the riots. Blacks will never get the respect they think they deserve until they learn to be a little more honest with themselves. Peace...

Anonymous said...

///Oh and I always wondered what does P.S. mean.///

Post Script.

don quixote said...

THE FALL OF AN EMPIRE

By Anonymous

NF



The Nuestra Familia (NF) is a California prison-based organization. Founded in 1965 in Soledad State Prison, Nuestra Familia is the most violent prison gang, with over 300 murders to its credit. Founded by Robert “Babo” Sosa, Glen “Hobo” Holden, Joe “Death Row Joe” Gonzalez and Rudolph “Old Folks” Patino, the Nuestra Familia was created for protection from the rest of the California prison gangs. The founders were fed up with the treatment that they were getting from the Mexican Mafia (EME). The Mexican Mafia demanded every inmate of Latino descent pay taxes and obey their rules. Any inmate that refused to go by their rules was raped and killed. The Mexican Mafia would call the Northern California inmates wetbacks, farmeros and would make fun of the way that they would earn their living, this was one of the many things that would lead to the creation of the Nuestra Familia. The Nuestra Familias first recruits were inmates with lengthy criminal histories, ranging from rape to armed robbery, to murder.


Most of the members of Nuestra Familia call themselves carnales but are generally known as familianos. They prefer to call the Nuestra Familia an Organization rather than a Gang. Each and every familiano is sworn to a lifetime commitment and secrecy. In their Oath it states: “If I go forward, follow me. If I hesitate, push me. If I am killed, avenge me. If I am a traitor, kill me.” That is how deep their commitment must be in order to become a familiano.


The Nuestra Familia has a symbol (Just like all the other gangs in California). Their symbol is a machete dripping with blood stabbed through a sombrero. The sombrero represents the familianos Mexican heritage. The notch on the rope that borders the brim of the sombrero indicates that there are numerous members. The adjustable chinstrap, used to hold the sombrero on a person’s head, indicates how tightly the familianos can be pulled together. The machete being stabbed through the sombrero is a warning to everyone so that they know that the Nuestra Familia should be taken seriously, and the dripping blood represents the blood of its sworn enemies.


In order for a person to be recruited to be in the Nuestra Familia, a current familiano must be able to raise his hand for the new recruit that he considers to be a convict with cora (heart). If the Nuestra Familias Organizational Governing Body (OGB) approves, the new member is put on a six-month probation period solely for training, so that he can meet all of the membership requirements. No woman may ever be recruited to the Nuestra Familia; she may only be a Nuestra Familia Associate.

Nuestra Familia Philosophy
All new members must spill the blood of the enemy to prove their loyalty, just as the Nuestra Familia will not hesitate to spill the blood of a familiano who turns coward, traitor, or deserter. Blood In, Blood Out, is in fact a Nuestra Familia ritual, not a myth. Blood In relates to the blood spilled during initiation, and Blood Out alludes to the consequences of trying to depart from the gang.

The Nuestra Familia is in fact a very structured organization. It has a constitution that all members must abide by in any and every situation. Detailing the 14 Bonds by which Nortenos should conduct their daily life. When familianos started to increase, the OGB came up with a CAT system. The system was designed to categorize each familiano according to rank, caliber and educational status. CAT I being the lowest rank and CAT III the highest rank. Later on once familianos started to get paroled, the OGB came up with the “Familia Capataz” and every familiano was told to lay low for a while and when they thought that they were ready to get back in the game to contact their superior commander.


Robert L. Gratton Sr. was a young, hardworking, athletic-looking oil field worker. One day in 1962 he met Saundra F. Carlton, a beautiful, intelligent and sophisticated college student. Within a matter of months, the two were married on January 2nd, 1963, in Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas. Their first born child, Robert L. Gratton Jr. was born on February 25th, 1964. After the birth of their first born child, the family moved to a small town in Northern California named Modesto, California. By 1967, the Gratton family was expecting a second child and they finally had the family that they had always dreamed of.


In the summer of 1968, the Nuestra Familia was growing and the familianos were standing up for themselves. Every week or so, the familianos would fistfight the Mexican Mafia members on more than one occasion. The familianos were slowly but surely gaining power as well as control of the prison through out California. During the 1970’s, Nuestra Familia began to take the first few prisons by storm. Deuel Vocational Institute, San Quentin and Chino State Prison were just three of the many prisons that Nuestra Familia had a major impact on.


On September 16th, 1972, it was said that Frank “Joker” Mendoza, Robert “Crackers” Vindiola, Juan “Mansanas” Colon and a few other well known familianos armed themselves with prison made weapons and headed for a meeting that the Mexican Mafia would never forget. Their intentions were deadly, they were ready to do or die. On this day there would be no time for talking, just killing. The familianos were planning on killing the Mexican Mafias highest commanders no matter what the consequences. Some of Nuestra Familias most seasoned familianos were put at the end of the tier in order to surround the Mexican Mafia members. Within seconds of their arrival, the familianos began their deadly attack setting off a bloody clash in which Rudolfo “Cheyene” Cadena (A high ranking Mexican Mafia leader) was stabbed and thrown over the second-tier railing along with several other high ranking Mexican Mafia members. As Cadenas’ mutilated body lay on the floor of the first-tier, a familiano, who had been strategically placed in that area, ran over and stabbed him numerous times. All in all, Cadena received over 50 stab wounds to his chest and his back. Numerous of the Mexican Mafia members (In the blink of an eye) were savagely beaten, stabbed and critically wounded. In what seemed like only a second, the familianos had struck like a thief in the night. The Mexican Mafia vowed a life-long vengeance against any and all Nortenos. September 16th, 1972 is now recognized as the official anniversary of the Nuestra Familia.
· NOTE: September 16th is also recognized as Mexican Independence Day.


Between 1972-1974, after Cheyenes’ death, the war between Nuestra Familia and Mexican Mafia escalated to an all-time high. With the loss of their leader, the Mexican Mafia began planning to ambush and kill high-ranking Nuestra Familia leader. After several failed attempts, the Aryan Brotherhood (AB) stepped in and sided with the Mexican Mafia. Finally on July 3rd, 1973, the Aryan Brotherhood sealed the deal by killing Jessie Renteria Castro (A high ranking Nuestra Familia leader). Considering the fact that the Aryans were siding with the Mexican Mafia, the Black Guerilla Family (BGF) teamed up with the Nuestra Familia and formed an unbeatable alliance.


In the 1980’s, as Nuestra Familias new leadership began to take shape, a familiano from Fresno by the name of Flaco, was about to cause a turning point for all the Nortenos. Flaco was ordered to kill Robert “Babo” Sosa. He refused to kill him because Flaco was friends with Babo. Because of his refusal, Nuestra Familias OGB put a hit on him as well. Robert “Crackers” Vindiola, a high-ranking familiano from Fresno, was ordered to hit Flaco. He too, refused, and instead of killing Flaco, he warned him of the danger that was coming his way. Flaco, along with Crackers, teamed up to create a gang of their own. This new prison gang was created by and for Latino inmates from the Fresno area. They eventually became known as the F-14’ers. The F-14’ers are sworn enemies of the Nuestra Familia. The
F-14’ers do not side with anyone but their homeboy’s from Fresno. They even created a new branch of the F-14’ers down in Fresno and they called themselves the Fresno Bulldogs (FB). Just like the Mexican Mafia, the Fresno Bulldogs are enemies of Nortenos.


It is believed that claiming colors first started in the mid-1960’s, over a pair of boots. This was not the one and only reason that colors started to come into play, it was just one of the many reasons that lead to the start. The real incident that solidified the rivalry between Nortenos and Surenos, took place sometime in mid-1982 at the New Folsom State Prison. The Surenos were trying to take advantage of the Nortenos and began demanding that the Nortenos pay rent to live in their assigned cells. In response, plans were set, targets were chosen, and the attacks were made.


In those days the homeboys wore blue bandanas. Nortenos, for identification purposes during their first organized attack on Surenos, decided to wear red bandanas instead of blue. The idea was a success. All the Latino inmates that were seen wearing blue bandanas that day were either hit, beat, or stabbed. From that day forward, both sides adopted colors. Nortenos took red and Surenos took blue. The Nortenos took the number 14 because the letter “N” is the 14th letter of the alphabet. As well as they took the word “Norte” or “North” in Spanish for Northern California for where most Nortenos live. The Surenos took the number 13 because the letter “M” is the 13th letter of the alphabet. They also took the word “Sur” or “South” for Southern California where most Surenos came from.
In today’s society whom do we blame for the creation of another street gang? Do we blame the minorities, the youth, or do we simply blame ourselves? When I asked myself that question, I said that we should blame ourselves. We as a country judge a person before we get to know them. For example, if a group (3 or more) of Latino males and females are walking down the street together, they are generally assumed to be gang-members. We looks at one another like hardened criminals. Even judging a person by their monthly income. If some one lives in a suburb, they are said to be rich, but if some one lives in the barrio (ghetto), then they are poor. We as a country need to stop living in vain and grow up and be more open mentally.


The United States of America is the most powerful, rich and sophisticated country amongst the nations, yet we have a President that believes that War is the only way to solve a problem. George W. Bush isn’t even a President to me; he is a little punk on a major power trip. We even have a Governor who is an Actor. If you ask me, that is just sad! He is trying to decline citizenship to immigrants and he is even trying to take away their licenses. When my parents came from Mexico, they were coming to find work, not to contribute to gang violence, not to become terrorists, they did not come to hurt anyone. Are we forgetting that Arnold Schwartzenneger himself is an immigrant? If he is trying to take all that away than he should get deported back to his country!


Our country is the greediest amongst the nations. We do not know how to appreciate what we have. Anyone that has never experienced poverty, should! As well as anyone that has never been able to have at least 85 extra dollars after their bills are paid, should!
We live in a materialistic country. Every time I turn on the TV all I see is commercial after commercial. In commercials, what are they doing? They are advertising, they are advertising the company’s newest thing out on the market. A lot of the materials that the commercials show are truly a waist of money. A person once told me that “The best things in life are free”, in some cases that is true but not all the time. In the United States alone, there are more than 3,000 different charities. There are charities for cancers of all types and even for transplants. Whenever a person donates something to a charity, how do they know that it goes to the people who really need it? All you hear is “Thank You for your donation”, for all we know, we are making some millionaire even richer! People complain because they are obese yet they are constantly eating fast food from McDonalds, Burger King, Jack-in-the- Box, etc. We as people do not know how to control ourselves. People complain about alcoholic beverages, yet they are the ones that are drinking daily. I hear all sorts of people saying that guns kill people, that is bullshit, people kill people. In Japan where there is more than double our population, there are no more than 100 homicides a year. Unlike the Japanese, in the United State of America there are more than 11,000 homicides a year. If the people that complain the most would just shut the fuck up and do something, than our society would start to shape up. For example, when George Bush was running for President in 2000, he said he was going to help people out with jobs, however once he hit the White House, people started getting fired because he was spending our hard earned money on things that we never see. We have to stop thinking about ourselves and start thinking about our children and our children’s children. We are too greedy for our own good.


The founders of the Nuestra Familia started their organization as a way to stand up for themselves against the other prison gangs. However since we live in a materialistic country where money is everything, they tried to stack their chips (Make money) the only way that they knew how, by selling drugs. I myself at one point in time took that route and I realized what type of a person it was turning me into so I stopped. I would never want my future son or daughter to have to sell weed, coke, meth, x, or any other drugs just so that they could survive. I think that Robert L. Gratton Jr. had the same vision that I did. He put his own daughters life at stake one time. However once he realized that he was in way over his head, he stopped. He spent most of his life in and out of prisons through out California and finally he chose in between life and death. He was on the verge of getting hit by his own homeboys because he refused to kill his friend so he relocated his family and now he helps police departments through out California.


The Nuestra Famila is just like a C.E.O of a major corporation, a vulture, once it smells something dying, it swoops down from the sky to kill its pray. The Nuestra Familia just like a vulture can sense death and it thrives off of blood. However just like the Nuestra Familia, we are also vultures, just in another aspect. We thrive off of money, power and with power comes respect and without any of those three, we are a failure just like vultures dying pray.
When my friends ask me, “How is it to be a gangster?” I tell them that it is a bullshit way of life. In a gang your homeboys are supposed to have your back and never betray you, but those people that you may chose to call “homeboys” will always be the quickest to turn on you. When a homie gets locked up, who writes to them? Their family, not any homeboys. I write to a few people and they all say the same thing. Not one homeboy ever remembers to write to you while your locked up, just your family. So if some one was to ask me today, “What is a real homeboy to you?” I would tell them that a homeboy is someone that is constantly by your side, through thick and thin. A true homeboy is someone that keeps you out of trouble not push you into it! My dad asked me the other night, “Do you regret any of your past?” I told him no, I never regret a minute of it. I kicked it with some of the hardest Nortenos in my area and I kicked it with some wannabe’s in my area and I’m proud of what I have become because I have experienced more than a lot of people ever will!

Ok here it is, remind you of anyone familiar? "Mr. Anonymus", aka Gava Joe's and all other posters from So Cal, LA, Sur, having a perspective different from Mr. Farmero apologist and bullshitter.
Read it and have a good laugh!
It came off the internet under "nuestra familia prison gang"

Anonymous said...

"terrible tom is not the undisputed leader of the brand".......


Anyplace two or more whitepride brothers are gathered and the name Tom Silverstein is mentioned in reverence.

Due only to his isolation/segregation he'll remain dead or alive the undisputed spiritual leader of the brand.....

R2K said...

Brian peppers does!

TijuanaJailer said...

Tales From The Tijuana Crypt
(ACT II):

Before I touch on the T.D. Bingham topic, you've all heard the terms "The Brand" and "Carnales" used to describe the Aryan Brotherhood (The Brand). You also heard the word "carnal" used to refer to EME made members. Both terms in the prison and street world are today interchangeable with the above mentioned prison gangs and have taken a life of it's own!

In the mid to late-1960's and through the 70's, the carnales and AB's spent an inordinate amount of time in lockup units (surprise) and had much free time to do many things: devise evil plots, relay orders to subordinates and reading books! War generals from Pancho Villa to Adolph Hitler to Napoleon were among some of the favorites.

Louis L' Amour westerns were extremely popular as well and the tale of the Sacketts kept the reader riveted. The AB and M would even talk like the language used in the books: the "M and M connected", "let's hit the trail together", "the AB Brand", "pass over one of them bear sign (donuts)", etc.

Many "kites" that were intercepted by staff had these "western" phrases incorporated in them which were used also as code words.
EXAMPLE: [The Prarie Dog (AB's Dan "Danny Dog" Rawlinson) sends his love to the Brand and wants to remind everyone that their "saddle pards" are bringing in fresh cattle. We need to rid the land of two bit farmin' varmints so tell Two Gun Billy (Billy "Buzzard" Harris) that we are counting on his six gun which is known to be the fastest gun this side of Tombstone!]

These are instructions in "western code" from an AB in the Adjustment Center to another on the mainline to "move" on the NF.

The term "Brand", or "The Brand" was a direct phrase coined straight from Louis L' Amours' grand collection of shoot-em ups!
Even EME members became "hooked" on these books, some ordered the entire collection during Christmas in a package from their loved ones!

The term "carnales" wasn't as flamboyant as the AB's handle but everyone knew (like today's "Big Homie", for example) what exactly was being communicated when a gang member or convict asked, "Is he a carnal?" (Is he EME).

Chew on that tobacco, spit it out and I'll be back in the saddle in a bit.

Peace,
Tijuana Jailer

Anonymous said...

(dying, it swoops down from the sky to kill its pray.)

We know for a fact it isn't RETIRED JOKER because RJ would know how to spell "prey".

Anonymous said...

"The United States of America is the most powerful, rich and sophisticated country amongst the nations, yet we have a President that believes that War is the only way to solve a problem. George W. Bush isn’t even a President to me; he is a little punk on a major power trip. We even have a Governor who is an Actor. If you ask me, that is just sad!"

Go away you liberal puke! If you don't like this country why don't you move to Iran? Take your political diatribes someplace else.

Anonymous said...

Robert “Crackers” Vindiola, a high-ranking familiano from Fresno, was ordered to hit Flaco.

EME's Manuel Torres (AKA Tati) killed Crackers brother named Frank Vindiola in Fresno.

Anonymous said...

On September 16th, 1972, it was said that Frank “Joker” Mendoza, Robert “Crackers” Vindiola, Juan “Mansanas” Colon and a few other well known familianos armed themselves with prison made weapons and headed for a meeting that the Mexican Mafia would never forget.

Cheyenne was killed on December 17, 1972, in Chino's Palm Hall. About 4 or 5 Surenos were injured as there were no other EME on the tier. Gilbert "Manitas" Sandoval from Norwalk (one of the injured surenos) was later made an EME member for his part in this skirmish.

Anonymous said...

All new members must spill the blood of the enemy to prove their loyalty,

hmmmm, that does not compute! looks good in writing though.

Anonymous said...

"you liberal puke", you read the whole NF propaganda bullshit and that's all you can comment on? WHo are you anyway "Bill O'reilly"? Get a grip ese, next you'll be talking about your "S&M" fantasies!

Anonymous said...

We know for a fact it isn't RETIRED JOKER because RJ would know how to spell "prey".

Unless he's plagiarizing in "stealth mode" as Senor Anonymous, as the dear, departed bloviator Joey boy Gava predicted....

TijuanaJailer said...

TALES FROM THE TIJUANA CRYPT
ACT II (Continued):

OK, children, now sit on grand pappa's lap and I'm going to tell you a story about the big bad wolf ... Oops, the crumb snatchers are gone! Back to the grown ups.

Ted "T.D." Bingham;
AB heavyweight
(active member for 36 years):

He entered the CDC in the
late-1960's and joined the Brand in about 1970. His first recorded hit (murder) occurred in the San Quentin East Block in 1970 and his victim was Harvey Fortner;

T.D. was then picked up for the stabbing of inmate Pete Pappas (1970) on the San Quentin lower yard. He was accompanied by AB Richard "Dickey" Murray and then-associate Wayne Odom;

In 1971 T.D. and AB "Blinky" Williamson were picked up for killing a black inmate in San Quentin's east block;

In 1973, following an extended lockdown in various SHU's, T.D. and "Bull Dog" Ladd were "arrested" in Folsom Prison for the killing of "Nasty Jack" Bachelder;

there is a 187 drought (nothing that can be "made") until 1979 at Folsom where T.D. kills inmate Jesse Harge.

Since the beginning years of AB membership, T.D. has evolved from a "quiet but deadly man" in the late-1960's to a "quiet but deadly man" in the 2000's!!

As one of the co-defendants in the current AB RICO case, the U.S. Government deems him worthy of execution for his ongoing role as one of the leaders of the Brand. Like his co-defendants, securing a conviction will be a near impossible task.

Update: The U.S. Attorney prosecuting this case, Gregory Jessner, has removed himself from the case to "pursue his private practice". The word in the "legal community" is that he no longer views these prosecutions (in which the U.S. position is death penalty or nothing) as winnable.

2nd Update: A ruling that just came down this week will in effect transfer the AB defendants in the So. Cal RICO to the Federal Metropolitan Detention Center in L.A. It appears that their jailers in San Bernardino County could not provide the simple medical attention that would normally be required and mandatory in a state or federal prison. Bottom line: no budget.

Stay tuned for updates ......

Anonymous said...

TJ, screw the haters. Your writing is superb and your stories are outstanding. Keep it up.

TijuanaJailer said...

(TJ, screw the haters. Your writing is superb and your stories are outstanding. Keep it up.)

LOL .. Thanks, I'm not concerned with the naysayers. After what I just went through with the grand kids, bring 'em on!

Sorry guys, I forgot to cite an interesting link for you AB and prison gang crime aficionados:
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/index.ssf?040216fa_fact6

Peace,
Tijuana Jailer

StillNoScript said...

Here's more moments where Bill O' Reilly is either caught in a lie or getting clowned...

Letterman to O'Reilly: "60% of what you say is crap". Bill joined David last
night on the Late Show and found that Letterman wasn't buying his phony war on ...

www.crooksandliars.com/2006/01/04.html

Phil Donahue vs Bill O'Reilly ... Phil: She's lost a son- Bill: Oh, OK...
Phil asks O'Reilly if his children would fight in the war and the meltdown ensues. ...

www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/21.html

A picture named TDS--Bill-OReilly.jpg Bill O'Reilly and Jon Stewart ... Bill has
the transcripts: Stephen Colbert channels Bill O'Reilly... ...

www.crooksandliars.com/2005/10/18.html

Bill O'Reilly-actually uses the tragedy of fallen journalists in Iraq as a lead
in to his pettish complaints against NBC. I mean you know I have my issues ...

www.crooksandliars.com/2006/01/31.html

Ludacris has an answer for Bill O'Reilly A picture named Lud2.jpg A picture named
Lud.jpg. Ludacris who has been at odds with O'Reilly: "I chastised Pepsi ...

www.crooksandliars.com/2005/03/26.html

TVNewser spews forth the bare facts: Bill O'Reilly has lost 1/3 of his viewers
since October. Ouch. October: 3166000 / November: 3080000 / December: 2610000 ...

www.crooksandliars.com/2005/05/07.html

Bill O'Reilly gets caught with bogus claims against Saginaw Township over ...
"Syndicated controversial talk show host Bill O'Reilly said on his radio show: ...


www.crooksandliars.com/2005/12/13.html

Bill O'Reilly goes on the offensive to ease the pain over President ...
Keith Olberman makes a $99000.00 dollar plea to buy the Bill O'Reilly Sex Tapes! ...

www.crooksandliars.com/2004/10/25.html

Countdown w/Keith Olbermann with new info on the Bill O'Reilly case. O'Reilly at
the Height of Hypocrisy. Bill O'Reilly who can't go a day without attacking ...

www.crooksandliars.com/2004/10/16.html

TijuanaJailer said...

(Read it and have a good laugh!
It came off the internet under "nuestra familia prison gang")

Don Q: The problem with many of these Web Sites that give you timelines is that they are filled with truths mixed in with fables! Maybe that's the New Media Age thing of the 21st Century?

If one part is a lie or, better said, inaccurate, then how are we supposed to believe the rest?

The blue and red colors thing, for example.

"It is believed that claiming colors first started in the mid-1960’s, over a pair of boots. This was not the one and only reason that colors started to come into play, it was just one of the many reasons that lead to the start."

Someone here is obviously referring to what we know as the "Shoe War". I think it's already been established (although we still get all these romanticized versions) what exactly occurred at San Quentin in 1968. It had nothing to do with colors.

The blue and red becoming a sur versus norte representation came much later.

If this is an excerpt from the NF book then they have some of their own historical facts way out of whack, especially when it pertains to their original founders.

ALL of the original NF founders were from So. Cal. They used the nortenos own victimization by EME as a "support group" and created the NF.

1)Gonzalo "Chalo" Hernandez - Chalo was from Bakersfield and, ironically, was Cheyenne Cadena's cousin!
2)Freddy Gonzalez - He was from San Diego and later died of a heroin overdose;
3)Bruce "Huero" Morgan - White boy raised in L.A. and was a member of the East Side Clanton street gang;
4)John "Little John" Lopez - Member of the Little Valley gang in East L.A.;

"Babo" Sosa (from Santa Barbara) entered the picture immediately after the founders (1968 at Soledad) and was to become one of their top dogs;

Joe "Death Row" Joe (Oxnard) would much later (1971-72) become their number One man.

I guess when enough time has elasped, anyone can "create" a nice "story" and peddle it to the public, many of them not even born when all this took place.

Good example: I am fully aware and can understand how a reader from say, Modesto (we'll call him a member of the street gang detail) can read some of my uncomplimentary accounts about northerners and believe that I have "no knowledge" about what takes place "up north".

He would be half-correct. I no longer have "present" knowledge of what takes place and I am geographically too far from that scene and my friends in LE are indeed mostly So Cal.

My info is historical for the most part and is based on correctional officers eyewitness accounts, LE, informants, physical evidence, photographs, police reports, court transcripts and etc.

Don Q, we even have surveillance photographs of EME's Rafael "Chispas" Sandoval "hanging" with L.A. Assemblyman Richard Alatorre. If In The Hat ever "evolves" into a site where photos can be published, I'd be happy to share countless with you fine gents.

Wally!!
(I told you he'd be back.)


Peace ......

Tijuana Jailer

Anonymous said...

hey T.j. jailer! great and interesting info. keep it up! If i'm not mistaken "terrible" tommy silverstein is not part of the federal indictment.I always wondered why(?)

Anonymous said...

Would you wanna drag TT out of his cage and send him through the courts?

don quixote said...

Great posts again Tijuas, especially after spending time with the grandkids, they can wear you out! I've got some of my own, and am trying to teach one of the boys to drive, "que la fregada"!, I just today told him that there's a "driving school" close by that could help him more than me. I'll even pay the bill!
Funny you mentioning "Alatorre", what a serote he was, I visited his office on a number of occasions and talked to his "girl friday" at times. This guy would always invite you into his office, put his feet up on the desk and tell you what you wanted to hear, then do nothing but get his nose in the bag! One time after a heated exchange with his "main squeeze" her comback to me was, "well who do you think your talking to, I happen to have a masters degree!" pura cacahuates,

My wife used to work at times for Art Snider who Alatorre replaced and when Alatorre was running against "Steve Rodriguez" we were invited to attend a private fundraiser at a big "mansion" in Eagle Rock. That same night there was a debate at Lincoln High School for the candidates, we went, and all the raza and candidates were in attendance except for Alatorre.

His spokesman came out and practically made everyone cry with a story about Alatorre's wife being in an accident. Pura Mentidas!
We left Lincoln High and went to the Eagle Rock Mansion where not only was Alatorre there but also Art Snider, and Chispas with some of the "you know you" homeboys all dressed up for the dance!
Art Snider got pissed off at me cause he and Alatorre started questioning me (real excited like) about what went on at the Lincoln High School debate, and did they believe "Richards" (Alatorre) story.
You know I could hardly stomach this motherfucking phony with all his accusations in the paper about certain peoples (his rival for City Council) connections with the Carnals and "Chispas". And here they all were at a private "fundraiser"!
I told Snider "hey Art why you so fucken interested? I thought you bought a ranch and moved up to Oregon! He turned beet red and wouldn't get near me the rest of the night.
Things are not always as they seem Tijuas!

Anonymous said...

Read the following article re: EME's Armando "Perico" Ochoa. The article had him pegged as a "tax collector". Apparently they didn't know he was a fully-fledged EME carnal.

Even Alatorre puts in his two cents. Sad story about the cop who tried to save the civilian from EME repercussions + an example of ongoing BROWN on BLACK hate in the city of Lost Angels.

http://www.stopmoskowitz.com/article0008.shtml

TijuanaJailer said...

(Would you wanna drag TT out of his cage and send him through the courts?)

As they say: "It wouldn't be cost effective". In fact, you could pretty much say that about the Brand who are undergoing this RICO prosecution.

SCENARIO #1: They play the waiting game (they're doing multiple life sentences anyway) and beat you. Multiple millions of taxpayers dollars spent.

SCENARIO #2: They get convicted and ALL receive the death penalty. It will cost more to provide them with the appellate resources (which would take an indefinite number of years of legal wrangling) than to leave them incarcerated for the rest of their lives.

Would killing them serve as a deterrent to others? Not hardly. The bad boys in Texas (the state that most enforces the Death Penalty) don't seem to be deterred because people who commit crimes believe they are NOT going to get caught, don't think about consequences, are spaced out on drugs and cannot compute or simply do not care.

OK, so now that we know that it costs mucho money and it does NOT deter, what is the other notorious argument: IT TAKES A CAREER KILLER OUT THAT CAN NEVER AGAIN PERSONALLY KILL ANYONE or CAN NEVER AGAIN GIVE AN ORDER TO HAVE SOMEONE KILLED.

Seems to be a good enough argument if it's reduced to that but then we come back to a host of moral questions and that's where pro LE and pro-compassion for human life arguments get into the mix.

Some folks believe that, except in self defense, to prevent an immediate lethal threat to another's life, in war and maybe a few other extreme situations, a civilized population should NOT take another human life. That this would be God's realm - "Vengeance is mine ..... saith the Lord". (paraphrase)

Others ascribe to the Old Testament "eye for an eye" notion which is actually (if you are religious) taken out of context. That is a religious argument.

Did not mean to interject religion too much here. Here we are ragging on Script Man and others for interjecting politics into our Blog and I come out of left field with Religion.

Anyway, the Brand, I predict, will not receive the death penalty in their RICO prosecution and they will view this ordeal as nothing more than an "extended vacation" courtesy of the Federal Government.

Meanwhile, life goes on .....

Peace .....

Tijuana Jailer

Anonymous said...

when did Japan pass us up on population?

Anonymous said...

"Letterman to O'Reilly: "60% of what you say is crap". Bill joined David last
night on the Late Show and found that Letterman wasn't buying his phony war on ..."

Later on in the interview Letterman's dumb ass admitted that he never watches O'Reilly's show. Just goes to show you that liberals like Letterman don't need facts because they manufacture their own.

Anonymous said...

LIBERLISM IS A MENTAL DISORDER, AND THE FIRST STEP TOWARDS RECOVERY IS RECOGNIZING THAT YOU ARE A FEEBLE-MINDED LIBERAL.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know what became of the other participants in the El Monte hit that claimed the lives of Anthony Moreno and some of his family members? Jimmy Palma was nixed in Q, what about the rest like big homie?

Anonymous said...

Was Silverstein Jewish? Seems a fascinating man, just curious because of the last name.

Anonymous said...

"a fascinating man."

you're an idiot. you got it twisted, man. he's an animal in a cage.

it's not about jewish or white or black or brown. it's about power.

Anonymous said...

Good info this wked, hey good read on the fear aspect tj [now if you could only keep the subject at hand you'd be alright]shit! wishful thinking que no. I also see you got a couple of supporters huh, Well i guess it wouldn't be good cereal without a couple of nut huh. Hey supporters, arn't they also useful for holding up balls, I wonder if they'd hold yours? Anyways back to the blog, whatever to Big Mike Mulhearn? was he a long time big time member and what was the outcome on the lil tigger shit?

Anonymous said...

hey anonymous, look at this blog like a box of chocolates .... you never know what your going to get!

StillNoScript said...

Just to recap, for those accusing me of bringing politics to this blog;

A commenter other than myself brings up the O'Reilly factor's segment on MS-13, and disagrees with some of O Reilly's points.

Another commenter other than myself poked fun at O Reilly's sex scandal. I tacked on. And, the reason i did so is to demonstrate the point that O'Reilly is full of shit 90% of the time, so he's very likely full of shit on gangs too.

So, I was on topic.

And, I would think liberalism were a mental disorder too, if it wasn't for liberals like Franklin Roosevelt, Martin Luther King Jr, John F. Kennedy, and Cesar Chavez.

Mrs. Aztec/Apache said...

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-riot13feb13,0,4702808.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

Another Black inmate died today at
Men's Central Jail. 2nd in 9 days.

Anonymous said...

Yeah that guy mentioned that that report on MS13 was bullshit, he didn't get into politics, little miss Lisa sounded just as stupid and clueless in the O'Reilly factor as she did on Oprah, in regards to MS13. From my view it wasn't that left v. right crap. Then your fellow liberal Don Q has to talk a little shit about O'Reilly, and then you couldn't help yourself. You started to talk about Neo-Conservatives and post up links to O'Reilly's shamefull moments. Please, that bull is weak. That is just like a 5 year old school child pointin fingers. Don't you think that a conservative could come in here and do the same bullshit with popular liberals like you did with that popular conservative.

Hell, I can post up retarded things you and Don Q put in this blog. Don Q gave me infinite material with his bithing about our "it ain't 100% fair" justice system.

Don't try to convince me that you were innocently staying on topic. O'Reilly's name was a goog enough excuse for you to go on your little rant about conservatives. That is just pathetic. I know one thing there are a lot more people that are feeding into this immigrant criminals scare, and it is not just conservatives.

Like the other poster said.

Welcome to Neo-Conservatism 101.

and what, pray tell, does this have to do with Smog in L.A.? .LOL.
You just couldn't help yourself.

Anonymous said...

"...O'Reilly is full of shit 90% of the time, so he's very likely full of shit on gangs too."

You say 90%, Letterman says 60%, so that tells me your both 100% FULL OF SHIT. O'Reilly is FIRME!!!

don quixote said...

("Hell, I can post up retarded things you and Don Q put in this blog. Don Q gave me infinite material with his bithing about our "it ain't 100% fair" justice system.")
Me, "don quixote" gave you a chance for a comeback and you embarrased yourself with inaccurate and vitriolic arguments.
And worse of all your like a little hyperactive kid that needs his "Ritalin" dose examined, as you drive everyone nuts with your paleo conservative rants over and over again.
Hey! make your arguement and drop it after a while huh! I respect that, everyone has different views on political subjects but hey "Half Breed" or whatever your name is, your beating it into the ground man. Take a walk around the block or something!

don quixote said...

And you too "Still No Script" drop it! Shit all this dialog about Bill O'Reilly? come on, let's move on!

RetiredJoker said...

"I think that Robert L. Gratton Jr. had the same vision that I did. He put his own daughters life at stake one time. However once he realized that he was in way over his head, he stopped. He spent most of his life in and out of prisons through out California and finally he chose in between life and death. He was on the verge of getting hit by his own homeboys because he refused to kill his friend so he relocated his family and now he helps police departments through out California."

Robert "Huerito" Gratton was the rata who realized he was going to be doing life when he got pinched on parole and went states evidence. I don't believe any of the hype of him trying to reform young kids. Matter of fact, when he was already working for the government he was still doing drug deals and getting high while he was being paid as in informant!
He's a selfish bastard and once again just another murderer making money off his victims and got paid to be a rat.
His book is supposed to be out sometime in Febuary. Whoever wrote that long ass story was all over the place. Looks like they just cut and paste from different sources. It doesn't seem to flow correctly or they did it to push some polictical agenda.
The blog should be like BAR.
Two things you neve talk about in a bar.... politics and religon.

Anonymous said...

UPDATE: Another Black inmate stabbed to death at the L.A. County Jail:

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/6986657/detail.html?subid=10101581

RetiredJoker said...

6 Inmates in the same cell. 4 Latinos and 2 Blacks.
Why the fuck do they still have the guys in the same cells with each other?
Man, shit is starting to get crazy up in there.
"Its like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under"

Anonymous said...

Damn. their whacking mfers in the county like it's going oout of style. you never heard of anyone being killed in county. not like this.

Anonymous said...

///Why the fuck do they still have the guys in the same cells with each other?///

OVERCROWDING. That's what they always say! Also most of the housing areas (for 20,000+ in the county system) is open dormitories.

Anonymous said...

very interesting article about brown on black in L.A.:

http://www.stopmoskowitz.com/article0008.shtml

any others?

Anonymous said...

If you are Latino and are curious about the Brown vs. Black scene, here's some required reading. It certainly touches the "minority politiics" in this country as you will read -------

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/presumed_alliance.htm

Anonymous said...

while searching under the title Chicano versus blacks I discovered an In The Hat hit (you have to scroll down) -----

http://inthehat.blogspot.com/2005/07/hybrid-gangster-to-be-deported-on-july.html

Anonymous said...

Was Silverstein Jewish? Seems a fascinating man, just curious because of the last name.....
terrible tom is from the LBC and tok his stepfathers last name....TD Bingham is jewish....the AB is not ani semite as is repoted on many blogs/websites.....but i'm sure most of you know this..

TijuanaJailer said...

L.A. County Jail Tensions

It appears that the continuing racial tensions have "taken a life of it's own" as dis-information continues to flow and to feed the latest jailhouse frenzy.

What has been gleaned from gang investigators takes us to a dispute between P-Stone blacks and a clique of the 18th Street Chicano street gang which goes back to the mid-1990's!

There is a small area of the "jungle" in Los Angeles that has an established territory controlled by the P-Stone gang. In the 1990's a couple of 18th Street gang drug dealers were allowed to operate in the P-Stone area by striking a deal with
P-Stone. The 18th Street presence grew and the community dynamics became more and more Hispanic.

Inevitably, the P-Stone & 18th Street "deal" fell apart leading to open warfare in the streets. This war was carried into the L.A. Jail system recently.

While in custody Hispanic inmates are required to back up other Hispanics (Sureno)against African-American inmates, and African-American inmates are required to back even their traditional rivals against Hispanics.

This led to the rioting. However, while this single incident cannot be attributed to "orders from the Mexican Mafia", it is no secret that the EME has pushed Hispanic gangs in South Central L.A. to establish their control over the drug trafficking in the area.

As the bigger picture evolves, the EME could not have asked for a better "opportunity" to become involved. They possess the power to diffuse or to perpetuate. In other words, the proverbial "buck" stops with them.

What is unfortunate in all this chaos are the reports that jail deputies have spread rumors of rioting in CDC facilities and stabbings that never occurred. The inmates have also spread and reacted to these false rumors further flaming the fires.

Just like the false "Cinco De Mayo" rumors of war between 18th Street and East Coast Crips, this rumor has now developed a life of it's own. Both the inmates and the Deputies, (and apparently some of the Brass), believe it is true and so they are preparing for WAR!

"...and not even the truth can stop it!" (quoting another)

This one could get uglier if it cannot be contained to the county jail system.

Will return in a week. Hold the fort down, Don Q. I'll try to "sneak" in from a remote location on the East Coast where the damn snow is making things miserable!

Peace,

Tijuana Jailer

Anonymous said...

I'll bet you guys that if another black inmate is killed in LACJ the so-called community leaders like Maxine Waters will pull out the race card on Sheriff Lee Baca.

RetiredJoker said...

Is it really that complicated, TJ? Paralysis by analysis. Could it just be a simple as the pot finally boling over? There has been black vs. brown fighting for decades. You will always gravitate to your minority group in any large group setting be it high school or Prison.
There is a natural rivarly between ethnic groups.
Back when I was in high school in 80's you used to fight the mayates all the time, they tried to set up crip set in our high school and city.
Is this a case of huge forest fire that got out of control over a little spark?
If you have caged animals locked up long enough the tensions will boil over and spreads just like a wild fire.

Anonymous said...

are they really that dumb to go against LE like that

trukos said...

yea pot boiling over, its just come to a point now that the men involved, now a days really dont give a fuck, there are fighting harder and fighting for any minor offense, change of the times my brothers, change of the times

Anonymous said...

click on the story, man this shit is getting crazy


http://www.cnn.com/

Anonymous said...

look at todays LA times too, today they mention LE is responsible, go to the website, Wally do you have any more insight?

Gava Joe said...

" You will always gravitate to your minority group in any large group setting"

I'm sorry, but what the fuck does that MEAN?? Oh Christ - now you'll explain!!

"Is this a case of a huge forest fire that got out of control over a little spark??"

No, it's a case of a cliche' that's completely whack (and condescending)....

"If you have caged animals locked up long enough the tensions will boil over and spreads just like a wild fire."

Excuse me! Was that a freudian slip?
Herein lies the real flaw in your post, that being your reference to the "caged animals"?? You may want to clarify that, or write on the blackboard a hndred times, "I will not refer to my brethren as animals"..

Or you can return in stealth mode and hurl racial epithets my way..

RetiredJoker said...

My brethern??

I pay my taxes take care of family and don't get caught up in the mix. I don't believe in killing our people or their people for that matter, either. My Brethern are those people outside of prison trying to make it better our people and themsevles, not make us front page headlines.
Why you always side bustin? Everybody else was fine with the post, Why do you need to hate? Because you have nothing to add? Can't relate, ese? Or shall I say "DUDE"?
Still mad at how stupid I made you look in the earlier posts? Well this last post of yours was really good, witty and such dramatic pause. I almost shed a tear.
Obviously, you don't understand
that post because you never been united with your own race in any type of situation. So I guess all those stories you told us are bullshit also? Being around chicanos and all that masa? Then you should know that Blacks and chicanos are always seperated and always fighting each other from the playground to the pinta.
Care to expound on that?

RetiredJoker said...

Damn, so this vato Joe has been waiting all day for me to post so he could respond with that?
Damn bro, you really need to get hobby.
Are you that bored? If you have nothing of note to add then don't add anything. It makes you look like a chavala who got his lollipop taken away by the schoolyard bully. LOL
Ok, I promise not to take up valuable space and bandwith and respond to Crazy Guava Joe!

Has anyone seen reports of the CDC segregating the dorms for black and hisapanic or is it just a logistical nightmare and overcrowding does not allow it?
Whats the ratio of Latino to black in there? 60-40? 70-30?

Anonymous said...

RETIRED JOKER ..... I don't think we can call this simple. It may not be extremely complicated (Latino versus Black violence) but the dynamics in L.A. is not like a simple flareup at the Gilroy City Jail, or the Santa Clara County Jail for that matter.
We are talking over 20,000 inmates in the county jail system down here and where do you segregate these bodies?
Also you have rumors ranging from bus drivers to valet parking attendants to uninformed cops to inmates with tall tales or with accurate news. Everybody has a "spin" and who or what do you believe? I think what Tj is saying is that the "opportunists" are waiting like vultures .... they are fanning the flames and many folks just don't understand the degree of influence certain "people" have in these parts. It's not like before when black fighting brown was just what you saw .... today you definitely have a prison gang element in the mix. I think we all wish it were just that simple -- a few blacks fighting a few browns -- but the city and the surrounding areas are talking about nothing else these days (the news covers it on every channel on a several-times-a-day basis. I suppose thats there job but it doesn't help.

RetiredJoker said...

I agree with you, there is something definitely urging this fight along. I just think it didn't take much to kick it off due to decades of tension.
Perhaps La Eme wanted it done this way.
Instead of telling everyone this is all out war, just whisper in a couple of ears and let it escalate on its own, it doesn't need any fuel.
I guess in some way, LE is doing its job. Has there been any incidents outside of Pitchess or County?

Anonymous said...

ARYAN BROTHERHOOD STARTS:

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-aryan13feb13,1,2264961.story

Gava Joe said...

Damn! Now there was three good posts Joker! You respond well to criticism, it gets your blood up,you write off the cuff,and your shit flows..The post i capped on was like you were yawning, needed a nap after lunch

Naw! I aint bored, worked my ten hr shift out here 2 time zones away and read this blog before I read the papers..

I live in a county with about 5,ooo other folks, some chicanos, and four blacks. We keep one in each of the 4 towns, because when they get together they cause unpleasantries...

Our Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius has a "concealed carry" bill on her desk. I'm sure you all know what that is..A simple application and a permit is issued to carry a concealed weapon..She's expected to sign it.. Much ballyhoo and rhetoric has come out of the Statehouse in Topeka and the loudest shout is "the gangsters carry weapons and we should too"..

It seems placas are showing up in Wichita and Topeka from our old nemesis the MS13 and these hardscrapple farmfolk and aviation workers have decided to "strap"..

We like their enthusiasm out here in the sticks..My little town has 3 gun shops (we hunt) and several registered dealers.. There's an active gun club where we get together and competition shoot along w/LE..

When Hill and Billary ran with the Brady bill and threatened to drop the ban on assault rifles too many of my buds ran up their credit cards buying AKs and SKSs ( which is an outstanding rifle for the money, and the NATO rounds are cheap..)

I guess what i'm laying down here is not any kind of power trip, "we got guns,etc." moreso its the effort of a small segment of our population (the nation's pop.) responding to the ever-expanding EG's (evil guys - TJ's descript)... How the hell can we stop the flow?

When I came here 22 yrs ago nobody locked their doors. I only lately did because there's an old Indian who drinks and sometimes walks into folk's houses. Someday he'll get shot by some newcomer or itchy-trigger housewife..

I drive a trusty old pickup. I realized the other day the only time i take the keys out is if I go to the airport and leave it in "long term".. That's all about to end. There's an influx of gang activity in Lincoln NE. where my kid goes to college, and also Omaha has a lg contingent..

The Wichita city council in their futile attempt to regulate growth of gangs has proposed to make "solicitation for a gang" be made a felony.. I do'nt know if Cali has that? If they do ,let me know if it works? LOL

That's the best I can do fellas. Maybe it gave you a little insight into a different place and how we cope. It's always been said that Kansas is about 20 years behind...

Finally I want to extend that olive branch to Retired Joker..I came out of left field, sorry.. But you DO write better if somebody lights a fire under your brown ass! Later "Guava Joe"

Anonymous said...

...Is it just me, or did Gava Joe just start talking like Iceberg Slim?

Nice. Very street, "dude."

Anonymous said...

Has Chris Blatchford (Fox 11 News) done a piece on the county jail riots yet? With the EME all over the news he'll probably be doing a segment on the riots.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said:
." is not like a simple flareup at the Gilroy City Jail.."

I would submit there is no simple flareup at the gilroy city Jail, especially during the Garlic Festival.. Any flareup can be lethal!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

THE MEXICAN MAFIA, THE STORY

BOB MORRILL'S BOOK ON
THE MEXICAN MAFIA

Bob Morrill started working street gangs in East Los Angeles in 1966 as a policeman for the Monterey Park Police Department. He along with three members of the California Department of Corrections (Parole Department) put together the original Prison Gang Task Force, originally called the MTF (Monterey Park Task Force). He was the first coordinator of this group, which had its start in 1972. In the beginning it was the PGTF members who trained some of the CDC security officers and educated many Police officers about the group known as the Mexican Mafia or “La eMe”. Bob has also participated in numerous seminars pointing out the dangers of the “prison gangs”. Although the Task Force was an intelligence gathering group, Bob was involved in the arrests of many of the top “shot callers” of the Mexican Mafia, including the “Honorary” Godfather Joe Morgan.

After leaving the Prison Gang Task Force in 1978 he retired and moved to Texas. After a short retirement, Bob went to work for a Probation Department in Sinton, Texas. Here he was engaged in the surveillance of “high profile” probationers, which also had gang members from several cities within Texas. Bob left the Probation Department and went to work in the Texas Department of Criminal Justice, Institution Division, It was here that he interviewed many members of the most notorious “Prison Gang” in Texas, the Mexikanemi. This is what is referred to as a chapter of the California Mexican Mafia. There are several pages that explain this statement in the book.

The book allows the reader to trace back in time when this insidious gang had its start in 1957 at the Deuel Vocational Institute in Tracy, Ca. and brings them to the end of 2005.

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

you never heard of anyone being killed in county. not like this.

I believe they said 7 murders in L.A. Men's Central in the last
2 1/2 years! That's more than most prisons in CDC.

Anonymous said...

TO don quixote: HOMIE YOU NEED TO STOP GETING YOUR INFO FROM THE NET IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT GANGS GROW SOME BALLS AND HIT THE PINTA THEN YOU CAN GET REAL INFO AND POST THEM YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A PENDEJO YOU CAN LEARN THA REAL DEAL ABOUT GANGS FROM THE NET.

Anonymous said...

Wow the fucking riots!!! hey what the fuck is going on? all this talk about the riots and not a word on the poor kid that took it three times from the nigger cop!
and the rash of cop involved shooting within the last week. Does anybody care anymore? Or could it be that the cops have started this shit to take the foucus off the shooting. Remember a rumor can get you cooled quick inside.

StillNoScript said...

Allright, no politics.

We'll stick to the prison riots,

the segregation/de segregation of jail cells,

the state legislature's oversight of the prisons,

the federal government's pending invstigation,

The ACLU's position on segregation,

The ACLU's blaming of the C.O.s for the prison gang enviroment,

The C.O.s accusing the ACLU of trying to stir up the pot,

And, of course, the routine blaming of Tom Hayden for L.A.'s entire gang problem.

But, please, NO POLITICS, everybody!

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript wanting no politics?

Fuck it eh, that's like George
Lopez saying " I wont be funny".

He can't help it. He don't know shit about gangs. That's all he's got to offer the blog. Even if nobody but him and Don Quixote
want to hear his pedo.

Anonymous said...

Ok, StillNoScript.
NO POLITICS.
Remember that YOU said it.

Anonymous said...

Lakers 50
Utah 32
(Halftime)

Is sports an acceptable topic?

Anonymous said...

LA COUNTY JAIL MOVING INMATES TO STATE SYSTEM AFTER RACIALLY MOTIVATED BRAWLS.

By CHRISTINA ALMEIDA
Associated Press writer

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Hundreds of county jail inmates were being transferred to the state corrections system after a series of racially motivated brawls killed two inmates and rocked the county jail system for more than a week, authorities said Monday.

"We are in the process of getting all the prisoners we can out of here and into the state prison system," Los Angeles County sheriff's Chief Marc Klugman said Monday.

About 200 inmates already have been moved out and another 400 were expected to be transferred this week, said Klugman, head of the nation's largest jail system.

"We are trying to stop all this fighting," sheriff's Deputy Alba Yates said.

The county jail system, which held 18,425 inmates as of Monday morning, remained on lockdown, meaning restricted movement within the jails and a loss of privileges such as visiting rights, Yates said.

The American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California said punitive measures may not stop the riots, adding that community leaders, gang intervention specialists and racial integration experts must be involved.

"You need to focus on how to better manage the population you have," said Jody Kent, the group's jail projects coordinator.

Some black community activists called for the FBI to investigate the incidents as hate crimes.

The latest inmate death occurred Sunday afternoon after a fight between four Hispanic and two black prisoners in a six-man cell at the downtown Men's Central Jail.

A 38-year-old black inmate collapsed and died after the fight.

Another black inmate was killed Feb. 4 in racial fighting at the Pitchess Detention Center's North Facility in Castaic, north of Los Angeles.

On Sunday, two fights between black and Hispanic inmates broke out at the Pitchess facility. Five inmates sustained minor injuries before the fights were broken up with tear gas and pellet weapons.

No deputies were hurt.

(Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

Anonymous said...

From the Los Angeles Times

Cheney Shoots Fellow Hunter

The vice president's companion, 78, is stable after he's peppered in the head with shotgun pellets. The accident was reported a day later.

By Alan C. Miller and James Gerstenzang, Times Staff Writers

February 13, 2006

WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney, quail hunting on a South Texas ranch, accidentally shot and wounded a 78-year-old companion Saturday, hitting him with a spray of shotgun pellets, his office said Sunday.

Harry Whittington, a prominent lawyer from Austin, Texas, was being treated for head injuries at Christus Spohn Memorial Hospital in Corpus Christi, hospital spokeswoman Michele Trevino said Sunday. She said he was in stable condition in the intensive care unit.

Cheney's press secretary, Lea Anne McBride, said the vice president visited Whittington in the hospital Sunday afternoon before returning to Washington. Whittington was described as being in "good spirits" during Cheney's visit. McBride said the vice president also spoke by telephone to Whittington's wife.

The accident occurred late Saturday afternoon at the Armstrong Ranch, a 50,000-acre spread southwest of Corpus Christi at Armstrong. It was first reported Sunday on the website of the Corpus Christi Caller-Times.

Cheney's office did not say why news of the incident was not released the day it happened, and referred requests for that information to ranch owner Katharine Armstrong.

The Times could not reach Armstrong for comment.

She told other reporters at the ranch Sunday that Cheney was using a 28-gauge shotgun — a popular size for hunting small birds — and that Whittington was about 30 yards away when he was hit, according to Associated Press.

Armstrong said she was sitting in a vehicle and watched as Cheney, Whittington and another hunter spotted a covey of quails. Whittington shot a bird and left to look for it as Cheney and the other hunter located a second covey and walked ahead of Whittington to take their shots.

At that point, Whittington "came up from behind the vice president and the other hunter and didn't signal them or indicate to them or announce himself," Armstrong told Associated Press in an interview.

"The vice president didn't see him," she said. "The covey flushed and the vice president picked out a bird and was following it and shot. And by God, Harry was in the line of fire and got peppered pretty good."

All the hunters were wearing bright orange vests, she said.

Dr. Marshall Morgan, chief of emergency medicine at UCLA Medical Center, said the severity of shotgun injuries depended on the distance between the gun and the person hit by it. "A shotgun injury to a person, unless it's at close range, is unlikely to produce a lethal injury that a handgun or a rifle would," he said.

When a shotgun goes off, the pellets are in a relatively tight pattern, able to inflict severe damage within 20 feet, Morgan said. But as they travel, the pellets spread out and slow down.

"The really controlling factor is the distance," he said.

Whittington was treated on the scene by personnel who travel with the vice president, then taken to Memorial, the closest general trauma center.

Armstrong told Associated Press that the pellets broke the skin, causing bleeding.

"It knocked him silly, but he was fine," she said. "He was talking. His eyes were open. It didn't get in his eyes or anything like that."

Armstrong described the incident as something "that happens from time to time…. I've been peppered pretty well myself."

Cheney is an avid sportsman, frequently leaving the capital for hunting and fishing excursions.

He spends many weekends and much of August at his vacation home outside Jackson, Wyo., and he headed there when his campaign chores ended in November 2004. He has gone duck hunting in Louisiana with Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia and recently purchased a home on Maryland's Eastern Shore, along birds' migration path.

The Humane Society of the United States criticized the vice president three years ago for his participation in a so-called canned hunt in which he reportedly bagged more than 70 pheasants and an unknown number of ducks at a private club in Pennsylvania. In a canned hunt, captive-reared animals are released in large numbers, often in a confined space.

Cheney has visited the Armstrong Ranch several times, including recent annual hunting trips. In October, he delivered a eulogy at the funeral of Katharine Armstrong's father, Tobin.

Katharine's mother, Anne, has long been a power in Texas Republican circles and was appointed by President Ford to be U.S. ambassador to Britain, a post typically reserved for high-level party contributors. She was on the board of Halliburton Co. when Cheney became chief executive of the oil services company in 1995.

As governor of Texas, George W. Bush named Katharine Armstrong to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Commission in 1999. She was appointed chairwoman of the commission by Bush's successor as governor, Republican Rick Perry.

Whittington, a wealthy real estate investor, is also politically active. As governor, Bush named him to the Texas Funeral Services Commission. He has also served on the state's Department of Corrections Board, the Public Finance Authority Board and the Office of Patient Protection.

Armstrong said that although Cheney and Whittington had hunted on the ranch before, she believed this was the first time they had been there together.

*


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Times staff writers Charles Ornstein and Julie Cart in Los Angeles contributed to this report.


Copyright © 2006, The Los Angeles Times

Anonymous said...

ARYAN BROTHERHOOD TRIAL:

SANTA ANA, Calif., July 22 (Reuters) - A judge preparing for a massive racketeering trial against the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang told defense lawyers on Friday they could summon a heavily guarded federal prisoner as a witness but he would come to court under exceptional security.

U.S. District Judge David Carter set a date of Jan. 27 for the start of jury selection in the trial.

Federal prosecutors claim the Aryan Brotherhood, a white prison gang that sprang up in California's San Quentin in the 196Os, has become a criminal syndicate that controls heroin and gambling within a large part of the nation's prison system and enforces its will through murder and intimidation.

Carter said defense lawyers could call Tommy Silverstein as a witness but warned the notorious Aryan Brotherhood leader known as "Terrible Tom" would be shackled in court "just like a 'Silence of the Lambs' character."

Silverstein killed a guard in 1983 at Marion federal prison in Illinois after slipping his handcuffs with the help of another gang member and pulling a concealed foot-long knife.

Silverstein, who has also been convicted of killing three other inmates, is the nation's most heavily guarded prisoner, according to prosecutors. He is confined to a special cellblock in the basement of Leavenworth Penitentiary in Kansas.

"He will come out here in chains and sit there in chains," Carter said in a pretrial hearing on Friday.

The Aryan Brotherhood, also known as the Brand, is being prosecuted in California under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, the same law used against Mafia crime families.

Under an indictment unsealed in 2002, prosecutors have sought the death penalty against 23 Brand members, including Barry Mills, a founder.

The case ranks as the largest death penalty prosecution in U.S. history, and officials say security is a major concern.

Carter warned the gang leadership against trying to intimidate former gang members testifying against it with "the evil stare" during trial.

Mills was indicted for conspiracy to commit murder as well as the 1979 execution-style slaying of another inmate in a federal prison in Georgia.

Prosecutors charge Mills stabbed inmate John Marzloff to death for allegedly cheating Silverstein in a drug deal.

The indictment accuses the AB of carrying out 16 slayings and conspiring to commit another 16. The gang is also charged with waging "war" against the DC Blacks prison gang in the 1990s and "engaging in a "conspiracy to murder black inmates."

Defense lawyers have argued the prosecution case hinges on tainted testimony from AB "dropouts" who cooperated with investigators in order to secure special treatment at a unit of a federal "supermax" prison in Colorado.

Anonymous said...

Another social engineering project failure. Those ACLU folks have lost their minds. Will somebody school them? Are they really that stupid?

ACLU Communists say:

"The American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California said punitive measures may not stop the riots, adding that community leaders, gang intervention specialists and racial integration experts must be involved."

Will SOMEBODY get these peoples asses tied to their mouths? This shit sounds crazy. They must want more to die. Poor dumb bastards.

Anonymous said...

The shooting of Elio Carrion stinks to high heaven. If not for the video footage that punk cop would have tried to frame Carrion and nobody would be the wiser. I hope that racist nigger who shot Carrion gets put behind bars where the Raza can tee off on his ass.

Anonymous said...

Who gives a fuck about Cheney shooting some dude with a 28 guage
at 30 yards...loaded with bird-shot no less. If that shit doesn't get you in the eye, it aint shit.

Save the politcal pedo for political hacks.

Anonymous said...

"cheerleader or EME groupie?"

You gotta be kiddin me homie, you'd have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to notice just how incredibly scanless most blacks can be. Get off the chango nuts hombeboy.

Anonymous said...

Now people are finding out how
fucked up and stupid the ACLU
really is. They are a bunch of
schoolboy lawyers without any real
world experience in the things that they litigate for.

They usually claim to be on the side of the underpriviledged.
Who's more underpriviledged than
those behind bars? These fucking
do gooders have really fucked up this time. The prisoners pay the price. What a sad commentary on these asshole ACLU types. Normally,
it's LE who is beefing with the ACLU. They cause big headaches for them. Now, these idiots are causing blood to be shed and the victims are the very people they claim to be advocating for.
How sad.
If this doesn't prove to people that they are idiots and have no credibility in what they say I guess nothing will.
It's a sad thing all the way around.

Anonymous said...

Lakers 94
Utah 88
(Final)

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Or could it be that the cops have started this shit to take the foucus off the shooting. Remember a rumor can get you cooled quick inside.

Let me guess. You saw Elvis at 7-11
last night.

Your second cousin's brothers ex uncle by marriage was the shooter on the grassy knoll.

You know a guy a who knows a guy who has a videotape of the aliens at Roswell.

What a pendejo.

Anonymous said...

HEY TIJUANA JAILER---

I NOTICED YOU MENTIONED DEATH ROW JOE GONZALEZ AS BEING A FORMER LEADER OF THE NF. DO YOU KNOW WHAT BECAME OF JOE? I GREW UP ONE STREET OVER FROM JOE IN THE LA COLONIA AREA OF OXNARD AND I KNEW HIM WELL. IT ABSOLUTELY PERPLEXES ME HOW JOE WENT FROM AN EASY GOING, LAID BACK KIND OF FELLA TO A LEADER OF A PRISON GANG. ANYHOW, THANKS FOR THE INPUT.

Anonymous said...

StillNoScript
"Allright, no politics.

We'll stick to the prison riots,

the segregation/de segregation of jail cells,

the state legislature's oversight of the prisons,

the federal government's pending invstigation,

The ACLU's position on segregation,

The ACLU's blaming of the C.O.s for the prison gang enviroment,

The C.O.s accusing the ACLU of trying to stir up the pot,

And, of course, the routine blaming of Tom Hayden for L.A.'s entire gang problem.

But, please, NO POLITICS, everybody!" quote from StillNoScript


Okay so I should of been more carefull in my word selection. My problem with you is that you allways twist this into LIBERAL v. CONSERVATIVE bullshit talk. Me I'm neither conservative nor liberal. Sometimes I agree with one and somtimes with the other. But you just love to turn this into some type of competition. This guy types O'Reilly and you come up with a grip of post about the man. Shit get off his dick already, you act like he offended you personally. So please stop trying to act like being a liberal means you are better than a conservative, because that is an extremly ignorant way of thinking. There are plenty of stupid liberals as well. The ACLU proved that, trying to desegregate the jails, of all the stupid ideas. Racial integration experts?!?!?! Come on now!!LOL.

Anonymous said...

You don't have to be a conservative to see how sick the ACLU is in it's support and defense of NAMBLA, an organization that promotes sex between children and adults. The ACLU is a fascist anti-American hate group.

don quixote said...

Hey Half Breed or Half Brain whoever you are, are you off your meds or what? Are you a last word freak? You got to post "O'Reilly's Firme?" isn't that good enough? (Chicano Falso! No ai remedio!)
you post over and over again the same old tired political and reactionary caca, Drop it!

Back to the subject of the recent "Chicano contra Chanate" pedo in the LA county jail system.
I don't think as TJ related to us that it's spark was a local 18th St. against P Stones drug beef. No this is a display of "Power" by the Big Homies that has been a long time coming, and unfortunately is being touted as a prison gang racial rivalry only.

When the public realizes that it's been many years since the "Carnals" were relegated only to a prison group, then they will be able to confront and deal with the awful truth, which is that this once "prison gang" has it's tentacles everywhere in the LA, So Cal, Southwest US, and gaining power everywhere. The moving of inmates from the County System to the State System is a weak and helpless sign that the justice system has surrendered to the "Big Homies" and what will probably happen is that these "Torcidos" from the County system will inflame the situation even more than now exists when they hit the State Joints". Like moving infected "bird flu virus" patients to other institutions.
The "wilas" have been posted up at all the joints and I think that unfortunately what we are seeing in LA will not only metastasize throughout the prison systems but already spilling over into the community's.
One example of this; A black "childrens service" emergency situation employee that I have know almost all his life, and who grew up as a Orphan in the chicano community,(went on to graduate from college, great story!), stopped by the house one night recently and said he was supposed to pick up an 8 year old girl who was living with an elderly grandmother and family members, mostly hard core gangsters who had the little girl in harms way, surrounded by violence and drugs.
This emergency childrens service officer had been sent to get the little girl out of there that night but as he told me,
"I drove by the house which was very dark, and surrounded by bushes, there were 10 or 15 gangsters hanging around, when they saw me they started flashing gang signs and yelling "pinche mayate". He left, contacted the LAPD but was told they had no available officers to assist.
I asked him what he was going to do?
And he just said that he wasn't going to risk his life in that situation, and he felt terrible because the little girl was so sweet,but so in danger.
That's a sad, fucked up scenario that has come to pass, but this is just one example of the ramifications of this anarchy that has been allowed to manifest itself.
Valga Dios!

O C Half Breed said...

Today's L.A Times say's the first black inmate a sex offender was actually killed by "white boys" (that's what the paper called them)

Anonymous said...

"O'Reilly's Firme?" isn't that good enough? (Chicano Falso! No ai remedio!)"

So anyone who agrees with a white person is a "Chicano Falso" huh? Yeah, go ahead, blame the white man for all your failures and insecurities. Sorry but I just don't have a victocrat mentality like you.

trukos said...

ORiley is just misinformed like the rest of the media

Anonymous said...

Jesus Christ will you shut up about OReilly!

I love talking politics. But there's literally hundreds of thousands of sites to talk politics...this is just about the only one to talk politics on the inside.

If you want to talk politics not specifically relevant to Cali prison life, gangs, and the like, PLEASE do it somewhere else.

Anonymous said...

Where can I buy crack in Orange County? Santa Ana? Anaheim?

Gava Joe said...

Today's L.A Times say's the first black inmate a sex offender was actually killed by "white boys" (that's what the paper called them)"

That looks to be a case of a black journalist who snuck a slight slur through or even your LA Times trying to get liberal and "hip".. It's bullshit-- but MINOR.. Listen I'm white (dark Italian) and figure if the blacks been called "boy" for 300-odd yrs. I could give a shit what words anybody wants to use.. Besides the fucker was a "short eyes" and needed snuffed.

BIGGER THOUGHTS: What if there was a big ol flash and everybody got lifted up about a hundred yards and got to get a look, an oversight of what kind of masa they got goin on.. It sounds to me like racial tensions are pretty wound in your neck of the woods (woods, ha!)and a forced "chill" is in order... Possibly a smaller, say 40 megaton nuclear device. Sorry! absence makes the heart grow calloused.. Ignore that if you lack humor..

Has anyone else thought that the current, the tide, the ignition points in the pinta kind of corelate with the overall attitude of the whole damned planet? Like canaries in a mine? We've got all this strong animosity happening with the muslims. There's more genocide in Africa.. I've always felt and seen that climate in the world is usually first indicated by the pulse of the prisons. I know you guys are quick to atribute their masas to the "big homies" and shot-callers just like LE does, but it could be as simple as RJ noted, "the pot reached a boiling point"..

I hear you all scoffing, mumbling bullshit.. Wait! 1970 I'm layin out in the yard, Soledad Central with this lifer homie of mine. I asked him "what the fuck is the plan, what contingency does CDC have for disaster, what happens to the convicts while the world burns?" He looked at me like I'm a fool. and replied "that's why your cell has a hole in the door"...

So that's what i'm thinkin is a little of what's goin on along with the overcrowding, the peer pressure, the racial tensions, the media fanning the flames,and the stupid, half-witted scheme to try and erase the racial boundaries that've been drawn since this country was founded..

Today's news out here says that they've made some transfers to the various prisons in an attempt to break up any organization. seems also to be a great way to distribute first-hand intel.. And finally... You do'nt take away TV priveledges and expect calm.. Maybe you censor news coverage, but you do'nt take away a man's Wheel of Fortune.....

Jose619 said...

I would like to thank you all for the insight into what's going on. My question, if anyone can answer,is what happened to the O.G's of the greenlight gangs that were involved with La Eme? Since their neighborhoods defected, were they booted and/or stripped of brotherhood? I am assuming that there had to be a large number of Maravillas, 18, Lowell, etc. that were asociates of the Eme at one time or another, so what happened? Any insight would be helpful. As well, can anyone elaborate on the R-60 and Florencia 13 robbery? Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Yay for eme. Boo for BGF.

Anonymous said...

And what does a race riot and potential devastation have to do with the smog in LA?

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