SNITCHES, STANLEY AND REDEMPTION.
On the day that Stanley Williams will be available for viewing I'll forward my not-all-that-original theory that he'd be alive today if he had only come clean and debriefed.
Stanley defenders claim that he should have been spared because he supposedly reduced violence and saved lives. The problem with that claim is that it's purely anecdotal. There's no hard evidence to actually back that assertion.
Now let's take an example from recent history. Specifically the Metro Task Force and the debriefed dropouts that became CIs in that investigation. Thanks to CIs, in a brief period between January 1994 and April of that same year, CIs were credited with saving the lives of at least 13 people and probably a lot more. These targets were mostly other homies and carnals but there were a lot of innocent victims as well.
Here's a quick rundown. When Frankie B. was up on murder charges, a certain party put a witness to that murder in the hat. Thanks to a CI, Pomona cops swooped in and put the witness someplace safe.
When all of Big Hazard was greenlighted, every Hazard had a target on his back. The LAPD did a lot of stuff against Hazard that looked like enforcement and harrassment to the uninformed but what they were really doing was showing the flag and keeping the shooters out of the neighborhood. Lives saved? More than a few. They couldn't save them all, though.
When two El Monte Flores homies were put in the hat for suspicion of killing Joker Flores, the son-in-law of a carnal, a CI talked and the two homies were snatched off the street by El Monte PD and tucked away someplace safe.
When Night Owl Castro volunteered to hit a tax resister, a CI came forward and Castro was quickly arrested on out of state warrants.
After China Boy took one in the chest from Hazard while enforcing the tax code, four Hazards were put in the hat. A CI came forward and the four homies were "made safe" by LAPD CRASH.
Last item. The night that E.J. Olmos threw a party to celebrate the airing of a documentary on the making of American Me, a couple of brothers had gathered up weapons and soldiers and were planning a live fire exercise. A CI revealed the plan and the drive-by never happened. Lives saved? Who can say.
This is not anecdotal. This is verifiable material to which names, dates and proof can be attached. So while it's fashionable in some circles to say that Snitches belong in Ditches, it's also fairly obvious that Snitches can keep people (gangsters and civilians alike) out of ditches. The fact is that more than a few people are walking around today who owe their lives to snitches and don't even know it. Ironically, you can bet that some of those people probably have a very low opinion of snitches.
If Williams had had even a smattering of "saves" like the few mentioned above, chances are the arguments to spare him would have found more sympathy with the Gov. Hell, there probably would have been a few cops and prosecutors who would have signed affidavits testifying to his having saved lives. As it turned out, Williams decided to stay gangster to the end. He chose to be a dead martyr instead of a live snitch. It was his call.
Monday, December 19, 2005
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You REALLY show your bias and inability to reason and admit the truth. The truth is, it turns out 80% of the people are glad we're there. If they didn'y give a fuck about wanting to become a Democracy, they wouldn't vote IN SPITE of death threats. You see StillShitForBrains, you have to REALLY want to vote under the circumstances those people did.
DENIAL IS A BITCH QUE NO?
You can deny ALL you want to, but the people of Iraq PROVED you and your "occupying force" bullshit wrong pendejo. PROVED IT, there for us to see with our own eyes. I know it was a devastating blow to your "Bush is the anti-Christ" campaign. People like you HOPE the war turns out bad, for your own selfish political agenda, so you can sit back and say: "See what an
idiot Bush is". So of course, when the PROOF TO THE CONTRARY IS RIGHT IN YOUR FUCKING FACE, you come with some weak ass shit like the above post.
Free thinkers see thru your weak ass agenda. VIVA AMERICA, por Los Iraqis.
StillNoScript said...
BUSH, CHENEY , AND RUMSFELD ARE ALL DRAFT DODGERS
What a foolish thing to say. ESPECIALLY after Dan Rather did his story on it AND THEN HAD TO ADMIT IN FRONT OF AMERICA THAT IT WAS NOT TRUE.
I guess you missed that day of current events class.
No matter how much you and Dan Rather want it to be true, it isn't. And Mr. Rather had to bitch up and eat crow when he said it. But you keep on keepin on, you are being exposed for the misinformed, misguided, sniveling, sore loser that you really are.
GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
LOL, yea they were already in the milatary. Which goes to show at least they voluntered instead of run. Did you read the news article about Jon Kerry when he was interviewed back in the day that he said he killed innocent people and raped and ravished the viet cong's. Why isnt he on trial for war crimes?
Rather wanted it to be true so bad he lost his credibility and career
over it. I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the rest of the haters are still saying it. It does make them look like idiots though. That card has been played and trumped. You would think they would move on to something else that does not plainly show that they are just spreading propaganda.
I guess it is like the old timers say,
"love is blind, and so is hate".
You REALLY show your bias and inability to reason and admit the truth. The truth is, it turns out 80% of the people are glad we're there. If they didn'y give a fuck about wanting to become a Democracy, they wouldn't vote IN SPITE of death threats. You see StillShitForBrains, you have to REALLY want to vote under the circumstances those people did.
DENIAL IS A BITCH QUE NO?
You can deny ALL you want to, but the people of Iraq PROVED you and your "occupying force" bullshit wrong pendejo. PROVED IT, there for us to see with our own eyes. I know it was a devastating blow to your "Bush is the anti-Christ" campaign. People like you HOPE the war turns out bad, for your own selfish political agenda, so you can sit back and say: "See what an
idiot Bush is". So of course, when the PROOF TO THE CONTRARY IS RIGHT IN YOUR FUCKING FACE, you come with some weak ass shit like the above post.
Free thinkers see thru your weak ass agenda. VIVA AMERICA, por Los Iraqis.
DAMN ESE, I MUST HAVE PUSHED SOME SERIOUS BUTTONS, YOURE HEAD IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE.
CHECK THIS OUT, I DONT THINK BUSH IS THE ANTI CHRIST. I DON'T GIVE HIM THAT MUCH CREDIT. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ARE THE MOVERS AND SHAKERS, BUSH IS JUST THEIR FIGUREHEAD. ALSO, I EVEN RESPECT HOW HE'S CARRYING HIMSELF AS PRESIDENT. HE CARRIES HIMSELF TO A TEE, LIKE MACHIAVELLI (ANOTHER PURPORTED ANTI-CHRIST) ADVISED. IF YOU EVER STOP RANTING, READ THE PRINCE AND YOU SEE GEORGE BUSH JUMP OFF THE PAGES AT YOU. I CAN RESPECT THAT.
NOW, ONTO THE 80 PERCENT WHO VOTED. FROM FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE WITH THE MEDIA, I KNOW THEY TEND TO EXAGGERATE, SO THE 80% IS DOUBDTFUL. THAT STILL DOESNT CHANGE THE FACT THAT SUNNIS WHO CONSTITUTED 25% OF THE POPULATION OWNED THE COUNTRY BEFORE THE WAR ARE NOW OUT OF POWER AND BEING ABUSED BY SHIAS. THERE'S YOUR FUCKING 80% STUPID, GIVE OR TAKE 5%. (I WONT MENTION KURDS BECAUSE THEY ARE A SMALL % OF POP)
SHOULD SOMEONE COME ALONG AND GIVE THE UNITED STATES TO MEXICANS WHEN THEY REACH 70-80% OF THE POPULATION? IT WOULDNT BE RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO EARN THAT SHIT, NOT BE A SLIMY CHARACTER LIKE CHALABI ASKING SOMEONE GREATER THAN YOU TO FIGHT YOUR BATTLES. I GUESS I DONT RESPECT THE SHIAS WAY OF GETTING POWER. IT WAS WEAK AND NOT BY THEIR OWN HAND. FACE IT MENSO, IM JUST TOO DEEP FOR YOU!
AND IM NOT STILL NO SCRIPT OR DON Q, IF YOU WANT A SCREENNAME FOR ME, HOW BOUT,"TOO DEEP FOR YOUR STUPID ASS!"
IM NO MENSO, THE WAR WASNT ABOUT WMD OR SPREADING DEMOCRACY. FUCK, HALF OF THE COALITION OF THE WILLING WERE DICTATORSHIPS (ALL THOSE COUNTRIES WHOSE NAMED ENDED IN -ISTAN) WHO STILL COMMIT HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AS EVIDENCED IN TAJIKSTAN LAST YEAR. I LIKE BUSH FOR GETTING OVER AND LOVE AMERICA BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN VERY GOOD TO ME. NOW DONT BLOW A GASKET TRYING TO PUT THOSE TWO AND TWO TOGETHER BECAUSE THIS IS ALGEBRA, NOT ARITHMATIC.
I give it to you in a spiritual sense, there is a family in Iraq tormented and and oppressed and sad and have had family memembers killed by Saddam and other foul leaders there. They pray to God please save us, send someone or something so we can get out of this situation.............
DAMN ESE, I MUST HAVE PUSHED SOME SERIOUS BUTTONS, YOURE HEAD IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE.
AND IM NOT STILL NO SCRIPT OR DON Q, IF YOU WANT A SCREENNAME FOR ME, HOW BOUT,"TOO DEEP FOR YOUR STUPID ASS!"
Yeah, you're so fucking deep you start off with "I" must have pushed some serious buttons", and then have the stupidity to claim you aren't StillNoScript or Don Q,.
YOU'RE FUCKING HILARIOUS...Once again, you show just how bright you really are...LOL
So which is it brain surgeon, if you aren't the guys I've been debating with, how did YOU push my buttons?...lol...what an ignoramus (look it up).
I have a piece of advice for you, don't EVER go into a life of crime.
If you do, and you get caught, lawyer up before you say a fucking thing. When you talk, you can't help yourself and throw up all over yourself.
Thanks for making my point for me to the bystanders.
My buttons aren't pushed, I'm laughing my ass off right now.
THANKS, I NEEDED A GOOD LAUGH!!!
Anonymous said...
DAMN ESE, I MUST HAVE PUSHED SOME SERIOUS BUTTONS, YOURE HEAD IS ABOUT TO EXPLODE.
AND IM NOT STILL NO SCRIPT OR DON Q, IF YOU WANT A SCREENNAME FOR ME, HOW BOUT,"TOO DEEP FOR YOUR STUPID ASS!"
Yeah, you're so fucking deep you start off with "I" must have pushed some serious buttons", and then have the stupidity to claim you aren't StillNoScript or Don Q,.
Remember the Wizard of Oz????????PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE GREEN CURTAIN!!!!
it's amazing what a burro will say to try and make you think hes smart, all the while showing the world what an ass he is. trouble is, he dont know he is one, he thinks hes smart.
GOOD POINT ON THE FIRST SENTENCE. sTILL NO SCRIPT OR DON Q PUSHED YOUR BUTTONS. I SHOULDNT HAVE TAKEN CREDIT FOR THEIR GETTING YOU TO RANT. BOTTOM LINE, YOU NEVER PROVED SHIT TO ME EXCEPT THE THAT ABSTRACT CONCEPTS BEFUDDLE YOU.
ALSO, I THINK DON Q IS A CLOSET SURENO AND STILL NO SCRIPT A WANNABE NORTENO. IF IM RIGHT, THAT WOULD SHOW HOW PERCEPTIVE YOU ARE AND WHAT THERFORE THE AUTHORITY YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ON PERCEPTIONS. BECAUSE THATS ALL THIS IS, YOU OR I HAVE NO ACCESS TO THE HALLS OF POWER AND ARE THEREFORE SPECULATING ON WHAT REALLY HAPPENED RE: IRAQ. READ A BOOK OR SOME SHIT, DAMN!
ALSO, WHY WOULD I WANT TO GET INTO A LIFE OF CRIME. MONEY IS EASY TO GET LEGIT IF YOU APPLY YOURSELF.
The Viva America vato is obviously having a battle of wits with an unarmed person. It just don't seem fair.
LSD is wonderful thing. Have another tab.
Come on, guys. Stop fighting.
Lets celebrate how well things are going in Iraq and how good our economy's doing!
Never mind the people that keep getting killed in Iraq. The insurgency is killing innocent Iraqis and American troops because they CAN'T WAIT for Krispy Kreme to open up in the desert!
Even though 90% of the muslim world forbids western democracy, we're going to force it on them anway, and keep our troops there like sitting ducks forever.
Oil? Halliburton?
PAY NOT ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!
Cheer up. We can all get jobs at WalMart and McDonalds; And then spend our paychecks at WalMart and McDonalds!
I guess the only other option is to become a corrections officer, where we'll make 60k per year with full medical and retirement, and eat steaks every day. They earn that money instigating Blacks and Mexicans to fight, and jerking off while men rape each other.
Don't be so gloom! That's PURO PEDO!
This is the greatest country in the world.
VIVA BUSH!
Anyhow, I have to get back to the friar. Someone ordered a 9 piece mcnugget meal.
AY CHINGADO, YOU FIGURED OUT IM WITLESS. NI MODO
TIME TO MOVE TO LESS SOPHISTICATED VATOS WHERE I MIGHT STAND A CHANCE. AND YET ... I COME AWAY NOT FEELING LIKE I LOST ANYTHING...MORE LIKE I GAINED ...NO....RENEWED (THATS IT).. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SMART VATOS CAN PLAY DUMB, BUT DUMB VATOS CAN'T PLAY SMART.
ALSO, BAD CHOICE OF WORDS DESCRIBING SNS AND DQ. ONE GREW UP IN SACRA , THE OTHER IN HIGLAND PARK IF IM CORRECT. I WAS RUDE TO THEM IN MY EARLIER DESCRIPTION, WHICH I SHOULDNT HAVE BEEN. SORRY.
I SHOULDNT HAVE TAKEN CREDIT FOR THEIR GETTING YOU TO RANT.
This shows where you are coming from. You got burned CLAIMJUMPER.
YOU NEVER PROVED SHIT TO ME EXCEPT THE THAT ABSTRACT CONCEPTS BEFUDDLE YOU.
Uh, you proved it for me when you
threw up all over yourself.
I did get a good laugh out of your observation of StillNoScript being a wannabe Norteno. That is pretty funny.
So we've figured it out, you're a lying claimjumper, but you're funny.
Bullshit, he's StillNo Script.
He screwed up his first few words when he said I. It's him.
Well, if it is him, he can't even keep his alter-ego from saying stupid shit.
U JUS YOOZ DEM BIG OL WURDS SO WE THINKS YOUSE DA SAME BATO.
GAINED ...NO....RENEWED (THATS IT).. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SMART VATOS CAN PLAY DUMB, BUT DUMB VATOS CAN'T PLAY SMART.
Hey, that's good. I like it. That's the first time I've heard that........TODAY
READ THIS:
Chicago Police Warily Track New, Violent Gangs
California gangs moving into Chicago area pose an elusive, dangerous challenge
By John Dobberstein, Daily Southtown
Riding a wave of migration from Mexico and Central America, a handful of California street gangs have arrived in many Chicago suburbs.
Four gangs in particular ÷ 18th Street, Surenos 13's, Nortenos 14's and Mara Salvatrucha ÷ can now be found in nearly two dozen Chicago-area communities, large and small.
In the past two years, California gang members have been fingered in shootings or stabbings in Elgin, Joliet, West Chicago, Addison, Franklin Park and Bensenville.
Some gang experts worry they eventually may make a push into Chicago, particularly on the Southwest Side, in the neighborhoods around Midway Airport.
Already, 68,000 gang members have staked out turf here. Blending in among the Chicago area's established street gangs now, these California newcomers are a curiosity of sorts.
They're not organized, but their members keep popping up throughout the region.
"We're seeing them everywhere," said Paul Marchese, supervisor of DuPage County's gang prosecution unit. "They've come to do more of the things traditional street gangs do, shootings and violent crimes in general."
Police differ on the significance of their presence here, but the potential for conflict may rise as their numbers grow.
Joe Sparks, a recently retired gang investigator for Chicago police, said he believes the California gangs are waiting for an opportunity.
He sees their arrival in the city as inevitable.
"They're blending in with our gangs," said Sparks, who's been consulting with the Chicago Police Academy about the issue. "The (Surenos) 13's, once they get enough numbers, they could make a move."
The Surenos 13's are allied with the Mexican Mafia, California's largest prison gang. They have a decades-long, violent rivalry with the Nortenos 14's.
With roots in Mexico and ties to Mexican and Colombian drug cartels, 18th Street is considered the largest street gang in Los Angeles, numbering between 15,000 and 20,000, authorities said.
And Mara Salvatrucha could be especially dangerous for police, gang experts say. Most hard-core members are former guerrilla soldiers from Central America with extensive training in weapons and warfare tactics.
"They're a force to be reckoned with," said West Chicago police Cmdr. Bruce Malkin, who's been studying California gangs for several years and doing yearly presentations about them at police conferences.
Fierce enmity
A rivalry has raged between the Surenos 13's and Nortenos 14's for decades, dating back to their fight to control the prisons in Michoacan, Mexico.
Through migration to the United States, these gangs brought their violent battles and involvement in drug trafficking to California and the Midwest.Norteno 14's have been found in North Chicago, West Chicago, Aurora, Cary, Crystal Lake, Elgin, Palatine, Schaumburg, Streamwood and Woodstock, police said.
Surenos 13's have been found in 14 suburbs, police said, ranging from Joliet to Carol Stream to Round Lake Beach and Waukegan.
18th Street factions have been found in West Chicago, Aurora, Woodridge, Downers Grove and Naperville.In the early 1990s, a massive recruitment effort helped 18th Street expand into 15 states, said the National Alliance of Gang Investigators Associations, a cooperative network of police officials that helps communities with emerging gang problems.
The gang's primary business is national and international drug trafficking, and high-ranking members have close ties to Mexican and Colombian drug cartels, the NAGIA said.
Mara Salvatrucha, also known as MS-13, formed in Los Angeles during the 1980s as Central Americans fled a bloody civil war in El Salvador.
Facing crackdowns today in their base countries of Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala and Ecuador, MS-13 members have spread into Mexico and the United States.
At last estimate, MS-13 had more than 8,000 members in 27 states and the District of Columbia.
MS-13 members generally show no fear of law enforcement, the NAGIA warns. The gang's members are known to booby-trap their stash houses with grenades, and MS-13 has been implicated in the execution of three federal agents and the shootings of several other police officers throughout the country.
A bitter rivalry exists between MS-13 and 18th Street members.
"The Mexicans and El Salvadorans don't get along," said Lina Presley, a member of the National Major Gang Task Force. "You're talking about oil and water here."
Neither city or suburban police have reported a widespread presence of MS-13 members, although the NAGIA said they are present in Illinois.
New challenge for Chicago police
A foray by California gangs into Chicago could present the Chicago police department's new gang intelligence unit with a significant challenge.
Chicago police said they're aware of the California gangs, but they do not believe they pose a problem ÷ yet.
"Our sense is that they're not making serious efforts to enter into Chicago," police spokesman David Bayless said. "Our gang intelligence unit and deployment operations center keeps an eye on them, as they do all gangs."
In 2003, about 42 percent of the city's murders were gang-related.
Bayless said police are focusing on gangs currently operating in Chicago.
"We're beefing up our information-gathering efforts," he said, "and if information becomes available that (California gangs) are operating in Chicago, we'll take the necessary steps."
Some police officials doubt the California gangs can challenge Chicago gangs for supremacy.
But other experts note the gangs have already become a force in Boston; Seattle; Washington, D.C.; Charlotte, N.C.; and New York.
"Chicago's not immune. A lot of officers underestimate these groups," said Gabe Morales, executive director of Gang Prevention Services in Seattle and president of the International Latino Gang Investigators Association.
"They're not going to do it out in the open and start a war. They'll go in areas where the Latin Kings or Gangster Disciples aren't strong, bring in their soldiers, then intrude on areas where they think they are weak."
AND LOVE AMERICA BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN VERY GOOD TO ME
You know what, I'll quit saying smart ass things about you and offer you an olive branch of peace.
This is all I need to know...this shows me we are brothers at heart.
Even if we do spar for fun.
You're firme.
This is no different than the Crips/Bloods moving to middle America during the mid 80's.
They went to a whole lot of smaller cities: Omaha, Denver, Wichita, Little Rock, Seattle, Portland, etc. It's inevitable you can't stop it. People are free to immigrate. California's long term history will be that of the birthplace of the nations gang problem. New York gangs and Chicago gangs are pretty much geographically isolated, but ours sure as hell spread.
U JUS YOOZ DEM BIG OL WURDS SO WE THINKS YOUSE DA SAME BATO.
Now that's funny.
GAINED ...NO....RENEWED (THATS IT).. MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SMART VATOS CAN PLAY DUMB, BUT DUMB VATOS CAN'T PLAY SMART.
Hey, that's good. I like it. That's the first time I've heard that........TODAY
IT WOULDNT BE A TRUISM IF THERE WEREN'T ALL KINDS OF PENDEJOS TO MAKE IT SO, THUS YOUR HAVING HEARD IT BEFORE TODAY. CONGRATS, NOW YOU SEE HOW IT APPLIES TO YOU. KEEP THE OLIVE BRANCH, I DONT NEED YOUR APPROVAL AND THE THINGS YOU WERE SAYING, WERENT SMART.
THE OLIVE BRANCH THING WAS YOUR BEST ATTEMPT THUS FAR THOUGH, I GIVE YOU THAT.
I REALLY CANT BELIVE YOU FOOLS CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE IN WRITING STYLES BETWEEN PEOPLE. SO ON THAT NOTE, ILL LET THIS GO BECAUSE ONLY TWO THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. IF YOU REALLY BELIVE WERE THE SAME PERSON, YOUR NOT SMART ENOUGH TO ARGUE WITH, AND IF YOU DONT BELIEVE WERE THE SAME PERSON, THEN I GUESS YOU GOT ME, YOU HAd me going you were really dumb.
so what is it, do you believe were the same and dumb, or just pulling my leg in which case you will have won this battle of wits
I REALLY CANT BELIVE YOU FOOLS CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE IN WRITING STYLES BETWEEN PEOPLE. SO ON THAT NOTE, ILL LET THIS GO BECAUSE ONLY TWO THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. IF YOU REALLY BELIVE WERE THE SAME PERSON, YOUR NOT SMART ENOUGH TO ARGUE WITH, AND IF YOU DONT BELIEVE WERE THE SAME PERSON, THEN I GUESS YOU GOT ME, YOU HAd me going you were really dumb.
This would seem to remind us of, and re-validate another truism
"When you argue with a fool, there's two fools arguing".
I'll wax poetic for you.
As long as you're down
with the red white and blue
It really doesn't matter
if you don't have a clue.
Olive Branch rescinded at your request.
I REALLY CANT BELIVE YOU FOOLS CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE IN WRITING STYLES BETWEEN PEOPLE. SO ON THAT NOTE, ILL LET THIS GO
This would seem to remind us of, and re-validate another truism
"When you argue with a fool, there's two fools arguing".
I'll wax poetic for you.
As long as you're down
with the red white and blue
It really doesn't matter
if you don't have a clue.
Olive Branch rescinded at your request.
hahahahaha
THEN I GUESS YOU GOT ME, YOU HAd me going you were really dumb
UNDERSTANDING THAT SMART VATOS CAN PLAY DUMB, BUT DUMB VATOS CAN'T PLAY SMART
Uh,....what the hell are you guys talking about?
my cerebral counterpart wants to discuss things in the abstract.
Hmmmmm, is that you?
MY POST:
I REALLY CANT BELIVE YOU FOOLS CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE IN WRITING STYLES BETWEEN PEOPLE. SO ON THAT NOTE, ILL LET THIS GO
HIS REPLY:
This would seem to remind us of, and re-validate another truism
"When you argue with a fool, there's two fools arguing".
HIS NEXT POST:
I'll wax poetic for you.
As long as you're down
with the red white and blue
It really doesn't matter
if you don't have a clue.
Olive Branch rescinded at your request.
YET ANOTHER POST FROM HIM:
THEN I GUESS YOU GOT ME, YOU HAd me going you were really dumb
UNDERSTANDING THAT SMART VATOS CAN PLAY DUMB, BUT DUMB VATOS CAN'T PLAY SMART
MY REPLY:
cONFUSCIOUS SAY:
A FOOL WHO ARGUES ALONE, IS A SINGLE FOOL
WHO DA FOOL?
(DAMN BROTHER, I SHOULD EXTEND TO YOU AN OLIVE BRANCH, THIS SHIT IS TOO FUNNY.)
aint it dough
HIS REPLY:
cONFUSCIOUS SAY:
A FOOL WHO ARGUES ALONE, IS A SINGLE FOOL
WHO DA FOOL?
My Reply:
fOREST GUMP SAY:
STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES
WHO BE STUPID?
momma says theres too R's in Forest,
I guess I'm stupid bout thaaaat.
How did we get off the subject?
What was the subject?
Is it a guy thing?
Where did it go wrong?
How can we get it back?
Maybe we should take this show on the road like Martin and Lewis?
or Abbott and Costello?
or the Three Stooges?
It's going to take Wally 2 days to figure out what happened to his blog!!!!!
Dont look at me lil puppet
what does anyone have to say about the grenn light varrios,including maravilla,dont here about them anymore....el sonso...
I just watched a music video yesterday. It was Warren G's "Get You Down, Part II". The song, allthough dedicated to New Orleans, is obviously about the Black vs. Brown beef on the streets of Los Angeles today.
The song features, along with Warren G; Ice Cube, B Real of Cypress Hill , and Snoop Dogg. Ice Cube's verse seems to be the most in depth, hinting toward law enforcement's potential role in the Black vs. Brown drama. I've absolutely scoured the internet to try to find the lyrics to this song, which, again, is a remix of the original song done by just Warren G and B Real. If anyone has them, please post them, or mail them to Wally to see if he has an opinion on it.
The song is over a sample of War's 'Don't let no one get you down', and one of the members of War is singing the hook in the video.
I saw it on Comcast cable's 'on demand', under MusicChoice, 'r&b and hip hop'. I don't know if all regions have the same videos available. Anyhow, try and check it out. And, those of you that have any kind of personal experience witht the Black and Brown gang war, on both sides of the law, let us know what you think of it.
THE LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO IN THIS SURENOS HATE BLACKS AND THEY HATE US PERIOD. THEY RUN WITH THE BUSTERS AND THE BUSTER ROLL NORTH THIS SOUTH SIDE MOTHERFUCKERS
WHAAAAAT?
CDC just tries to keep a lid on it on the inside. What is it that you
dont understand about them hating
each other? Thats just the way it is.
I'm just pointing out a song. Nothing more.
What would give Ice Cube the idea that law enforcement, and, especially, those who set policy for law enforcement, would be sinister enough to sit back and laugh while Black and Mexican gang members practically slaughter each other on the streets of L.A., which is basically what he sais in the song?
I have read that after the Rampart scandals, the L.A.P.D. has taken a more laxed approach to gang enforcement to avoid lawsuits, and it's obvious that many gang members are taking advantage of this.
Maybe Ice Cube doesn't know this?
Or, maybe he does, and isn't buying that that's the reason why there isn't enough being done by the City to bring peace between Blacks and Mexicans?
I've been a fan of Ice Cube since I was a kid. But I believe he's been wrong about some things, and right about others. He's obviously gotten a lot more commercial through the years, as he was extremely militant when he first went solo after leaving N.W.A. His verse in 'Get You Down II', however, was reminiscent of his old militant style; Blaming the establishment for gang violence, more than the gang members themselves.
My take is this, Ice Cube knows more than I do about this topic. But, so does any cop or journalist from the L.A. region, or any gangster from Los Angeles who may disagree with Ice Cube's take, for that matter.
Just wanted to throw it out there.
That's just the way it is: Once upon a time there was a unity in the pen. It rose out of common bondage. "We're all cons here".. It could'nt ever be complete, because face it, we aint all the same. We may be created equal but our cultures do'nt always mesh, so the lines got drawn.. The man (there I said it again- and I aint talkin about "liberal judges") sought to clearly define these lines, and they manipulated those lines. The dynamic is basic: divide and conquer, because a unified population (something virtually unimaginable nowadays) would be clearly beyond their ability to control. Hence they enabled and perpetuated the formation of predatory units (gangs).. It's purely speculative, but I contend that they supplied or suggested through their own means, the structure of these new domains that being old school dago mafia, boss of bosses, etc..
Once the seeds were planted the organism had a mind of its own (rather thought it did).. This dumbassed white boy did an early CA B# back when the whole phenom was engendered. Me and my boys functioned just fine, retained our manhood, worked out, educated ourselves,even programmed to a degree if it was positive. We did'nt have to fear any group because we posed no threat, and there really were'nt any sets unless it'd be what we just called "the nazis", and they just tolerated us because they contended we were just a "buncha crazy hippies", and these poor fuggerz had'nt witnessed the streets since James Dean made his last movie..I'm not saying it was Oktoberfest, but if you did your own number,gambled for cigarettes you already owned, and smuggled your own drugs, you stood a good chance of walking..
Now I know I'm prone to get jumped by whoever this right wing clown is. I personally think he's probably a C.O. with some rank or a twisted sense of politics. The one who parrots Anne Coulter and resonates like a clearcut Karl Rove spin doctor extraordinaire..Frankly Scaralotta I do'nt give a damn. I've got my certificate of Rehabilitation in hand, saw what I saw, and know what I know. Gava Joe.........
i heard that song by warren g,,its alright..i trip out on ice cubes verse though..he kind of gives the raza props...but then again if you ever listen to his other albums ,,he always gives raza props in many other songs..
-GAVA JOE WRITES:
"Now I know I'm prone to get jumped by whoever this right wing clown is."
Hahahahaa! ok JOE! I guess your hippy ass never walked thru SHU WING B at Corcoran eh??? Perhaps, the only down woods walking around to write about that are either like you, or dead right?
Well, I give you credit for talking trash...since you don't have your head screwed up onto your ass...
You humor us at best! that's funny as hell. You think you know game now? My best bet is that you are either "Debriefed" and ratted on other woods....or somewhere found a way to escape the life along the line. AD SEG? Can you say WIT/SEG?
We'll be watching you.
Orale! Gavacho Camerada!
You eva heard of "ISP" provider/DNS?
Server Dynamic DNS? IP address + ISP
=RAT LOCATOR on the Internet! ese.
Nope - No SHU @ Corcoran or Pelican Bay. I tol you I did an early B#. It was in the late 60's early 70's and those pens were'nt even built yet. Folsom had a hole. Q had the Ad Center, Soledad had O Wing and that was most of the solitary in the State. But howz come you're bustin my chops? I'm self-educated, read a lot, and am 10 yrs from retirement. The point of my post was merely citing a time that lacked a lot of tension. It's nostalgia, dude, nuthin more. My point of the system being partially responsible for the formation of gangs is'nt a new theory. If you insinuate that I was ever a rat or a punk then that's you talkin out your ass.
You're obviously offended by what I took to be a fair and equitable short essay on how it was then. I like the Asian culture. They venerate their elders.
That certificate of Rehab is really no joke. I got mine 30 yrs ago. You only need 5 yrs of clean time to get it. So yeah I beat the recidivist percentage and did'nt hurt nobody doin it.Life's what you make it.
Has anyone read the book entitled
THE MEXICAN MAFIA, THE STORY.
you can see the video here:
http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/warren_g/artist.jhtml
WHERE'S THE 80% THAT VOTED IN IRAQ NOW? HOW COME THE CASUALTY RATE SINCE THE WAR STARTED HASNT GONE DOWN?
ALSO , I READ SOME POETRY FROM BALA TALAMANTEZ WHERE HE CALLS GEORGE JACKSON HIS BROTHER AND EVEN SAYS HE LOVES HIM. ITS A BADASS POEM ABOUT REVOLT AND STAYING STRONG IN THE FACE OF ADVERSITY
i really dont care about iraq, more concerned on whats going on here
Beautiful post "Gava Joe", finally a breath of truth that rings true so don't let this knucklehead that posts and answers his own posts over and over even get a reaction from you. Watch this Gava Joe, I did it to him once before let's see if it works.
HEY "HALF BRAIN" ARE YOU REALLY A SECRET AGENT MAN? OR ARE YOU AN ESCAPED LUNATIC FROM ATASCADERO?
YOU POST AN OPINION THEN REPLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO YOUR OWN POSTS.
TAKE YOUR MEDS LOCO!!
Chale, Gava Joe
That was a nice post. Not only did you explain your situation pre-dating the SHU you defended your position nicely. Busting your "Chops" wasn't the intended result, however it might have come across, since so many here post up trash talk, but you implying that you "Were gonna get jumped by a right wing clown SUGGESTED you were taking up sides against the cameradas here. I can't speak to the 80% Iraqi's voting stuff, however I will speak to the gava's that roll over in SHU. Something reached out about what you had said and SCREAMED "DEBRIEFED" in your original posts, and most of us have at one time or another had a gava in our campo la tierra de los perdidos!
We can't speak to the "Left-View" of things on this board, to each his own. It's a free society protected by our 1st amendment rights. You articulate your position well enough to warrant respect. And here, you have it. Jesus Christo, who could have known a con, pre pelican bay stature still be among the counted? that's amazing. We'll be watching you, but respecting you along the way for the definitive post you placed here upon this board. You earned it.
I was actually taken aback by your words, having not checked the blog for nearly a week. Down gavachos are true to heart, (Most of them) and here I give you respect.
Orale! "Gava Joe" alrato
Would those of you in the know say the eme is at its strongest today?
Is there a higher percentage of gangs doing their own thing today than at any other time in eme history?
Are high ranking members debriefing now more than in the past?
this is from the Economist - pretty much the only media outlet worth anything anymore. What do you guys think about this piece?
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Numerous, mysterious, and now spreading fast in the United States
IN THE back courtyard of a deserted wreck of a house on the outskirts of San Salvador, El Salvador's capital, a group of young men is gathered. One sleeps on a couch without cushions, under a bare light bulb, as his friends talk. Many are covered with tattoos from their forearms to their faces, marking them to all eyes as gang members. Each tattoo contains a code and tells a story. A trinity of three dots, for example, means hospital, prison and the graveyard, the three possible ends for a gangster.
These young men belong to the largest criminal network in the Americas, and one of the largest in the world. Besides an estimated 25,000 members in El Salvador, there are comparable numbers in Guatemala, Honduras and the United States. The distinctive graffiti found scrawled in Central America are indistinguishable from those in the barrios of Los Angeles—and as far east, these days, as the suburbs of Washington, DC.
Where traditional organised crime, such as the Colombian or Mexican drug “cartels”, tends to be organised in small, elite groups, this network, based round gangs, is larger and more diffuse. Its business is extortion and drug-trafficking. In El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras it accounts for between 20% and 50% of all violent crime. In the United States, authorities believe members are responsible for much of the smuggling of people and goods across the border with Mexico.
Two maras, or gangs, are involved, Mara 18 and Mara Salvatrucha. Though they are bitter rivals, their methods and interests are the same. To some observers, their members are as much a threat to America as al-Qaeda. Indeed, links have been suspected, though there is no evidence for them. The FBI has struggled fruitlessly to convince Americans that one particular meeting between Adnan G. El Shukrijumah, an al-Qaeda lieutenant, and members of Mara Salvatrucha is pure myth. One recent Republican candidate for governor of Virginia made that “meeting” a cornerstone of his stump speech against crime.
More realistically, the maras are feared for their fast-growing numbers, their reputation for unusual violence (in Central America, beheadings are not unheard of as a means of execution) and their appearance in new, far-flung areas of the United States. California has been dealing with the gangs for over 20 years, but as Chris Swecker, assistant director of the FBI, told a congressional hearing on the maras in 2005, mareros have now migrated and proliferated “in many smaller, suburban and rural areas not accustomed to gang activity and related crimes.” In 2003 Brenda Paz, a pregnant 17-year-old federal witness, was found stabbed to death on the banks of the Shenandoah river in deepest Virginia.
Yet the young men in the courtyard in San Salvador, members of Mara 18, or the 18th Street Gang, do not look threatening at all. They seem abject and scared. Not only are they unemployable, but they can no longer walk openly in the street outside their neighbourhood. A series of tough laws passed over the past few years has stiffened penalties even for belonging to a gang (although some provisions were struck down in court as unconstitutional), and police have adopted a get-tough policy which, even if it has not succeeded in reducing crime, has at least frightened gang members. Their new tattoos are in not-very-noticeable places. “We have lost the right to exist,” says 19-year-old Oscar.
How dangerous is the phenomenon they are a part of? Neither Mara 18 nor Mara Salvatrucha (also known as MS-13) is well understood. The origins of both are shrouded in disagreement. Gang members themselves do not keep a history or, if they do, do not share it with outsiders. Some police say the gangs were founded in El Salvador in the 1970s or earlier. Others say they sprang out of the Salvadoran immigrant community in central Los Angeles in the early 1980s. Salvatrucha may have been founded by a group who had been kicked out of Mara 18, which was run at first by Mexican immigrants in Los Angeles. Alternatively, Mara 18 was founded by a group of renegade Salvatruchas.
Some experts claim that both have developed command and control structures. Some say that their component “cliques”, which range from ten to 100 gang members, function as franchises; others insist that they are not very organised at all. Certainly the movement of money within the gangs seems mysterious. Both gangs extort from small businesses, taxi drivers, homeowners—almost anyone passing through their neighbourhoods. Both sell drugs. These are both highly lucrative enterprises. But most members seem to be poor.
One American official in Guatemala estimates that in Villanueva, a suburb of Guatemala City, gangs pull in at least $100,000 a week. He assumes that much of this money must be sent to the United States, since gang members in Guatemala, as in El Salvador, appear to be living on the edge of subsistence. But Jody Weis, an agent with the FBI in Los Angeles, says that gang members there are poor, too, and suspects they are sending money to Central America. Anyone who tries to “follow the money” is soon lost. But it is likely that the maras are making much less than the authorities believe.
Unequal shares
According to Oscar, the marero in San Salvador, the mara is like a family. Members take care of each other and retaliate if attacked, but nothing more. According to Salvadoran police officials, any marero with tattoos must have murdered someone in an initiation rite. Oscar and his friends clearly live on the margins of society; but they do not look much like murderers.
Nonetheless, a lot of murders happen. The murder rate in 2004 was 46 per 100,000 people in Honduras; in El Salvador it was 41, in Guatemala 35. In the United States, by contrast, it was 5.7, with the Mexican rate roughly double that. El Salvador and Guatemala are both still recovering from the legacy of decades-long civil war—one possible explanation for the high rate of violence. Honduras, the country worst affected, suffered a “dirty war” in the 1980s. But Nicaragua, which also suffered a long civil war, does not have comparable gang problems. Maras are not widespread in Belize, in Costa Rica, or in Panama. Why El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras have tens of thousands of mareros, and their neighbours almost none, is a mystery that no one can answer.
The only consensus among the authorities is that things are getting worse, and that this deterioration has been particularly pronounced over the past four to five years. José Miguel Cruz of the University of Central America, in San Salvador, ascribes this to the get-tough policies of the government. Mareros clapped in jail have had nothing to do but organise, and so the gangs have became stronger and more violent. The first 11 months of 2005 saw 23% more murders in El Salvador than in all of 2004. Comparable increases have been seen in Honduras and Guatemala. Mr Cruz also points out, anecdotally, that of 20 gang members he enrolled in a long-term study in 1996, only five are still alive.
This rise in violence is having a serious impact on Central American economies. According to a study by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP), the cost of violence to El Salvador in 2003 was $1.7 billion, equivalent to 11.5% of GDP. The Inter-American Development Bank is even more pessimistic, estimating that the per capita GDP of the region would be 25% higher if the rates of violence were no worse than the world average. Furthermore, because the rich have private security—an economic cost in itself—extortion, which can be as little as a few dollars per person per week, most affects those who can least afford it, stunting economic growth and reinforcing persistent inequality. Guatemala has one of the widest gaps between rich and poor in the world.
Of the countries with large numbers of mareros, the best equipped to deal with the problem is the United States. But although there is a certain amount of co-operation, particularly with El Salvador, American policy tends to make the problem worse for its neighbours.
According to Kevin Kozak of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency, 30% of gang members picked up by his agency in America are arrested and criminal charges are placed against them. But the other 70% are deported. There is no alternative; they are in the United States illegally, but evidence does not exist to prosecute them for any specific crime. Each week, therefore, dozens of gangsters are flown out by the American government on private jets and released on to the streets of Central America.
To some extent, this process is now co-ordinated with Central American governments. But it is awkward. Officials in El Salvador say they cannot ask the United States to stop the deportations, but nor can they cope with them on any large scale. If even a self-admitted gang member gets off a plane in San Salvador or Tegucigalpa, but there is no evidence to try him for a crime, he has to be allowed to walk free.
The relatively new anti-gang laws in El Salvador and Honduras do not include versions of America's witness-protection programme or its anti-racketeering laws, which allow suspects to be charged with conspiracy to commit a criminal act, rather than the act itself. In most cases, therefore, the marero freshly deported from Los Angeles is free to organise on his home turf—with all the prestige, preparedness and sophistication he has picked up in the United States.
In the United States itself, says Mr Weis of the FBI, law-enforcement authorities are now trying to use techniques developed against the Sicilian Mafia to fight the maras. However, to get an indictment, evidence is needed. And even with a witness-protection programme in place, it is very difficult to find informants. Typically, the FBI manages to recruit as informants roughly one in three of the people it approaches. With the Salvatruchas, says Mr Weis, the number is closer to one in 20.
Off the street, on the web
The gangs he encounters are also organised and sophisticated. They use throwaway mobile phones, which are essentially untraceable, and keep in touch on the internet. (Mara 18 maintains a website at www.xv3gang.com; Salvatrucha's website has been offline recently.) Frank Flores, head of the Hollywood sector of the anti-gang task-force of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), points out that the maras now rarely deal drugs on the street in Los Angeles. They give that dirty work to immigrants whom they have brought to the country illegally, men who are ignorant both of the gang's structure and of its members' identities, and use them much like indentured servants. If they are caught, the gang is not compromised; if they are not, the revenue continues to come in.
America's campaign against these gangs is less organised than one might suppose. The various agencies involved—the FBI, ICE and local police departments—co-operate to some degree. An operation called Community Shield, led by ICE and enforced by the LAPD and the New York Police Department, led to the arrest of 103 Salvatruchas in February and March 2005 and another 582 gang members last August. However, information-sharing leaves much to be desired.
Mr Flores is proud of Calgangs, a database which uses digital photographs and other information to track gang members; but national law-enforcement officers have no access to it. Calgangs stores the details of 928 Salvatruchas, a tiny fraction of the estimated size of the gang; and more information sits, unread, on file-cards in cabinets in Mr Flores's office. He lacks the staff to sort through it. Moreover, of the four detectives in the anti-gang task-force, only two speak Spanish. Of the 12 uniformed officers, only one does.
This is in Los Angeles—a city where the maras arguably originated, and which has a large Latino population. Local police elsewhere in the United States are even less prepared to deal with the maras, says Mr Flores, who has been teaching police in other jurisdictions about the gangs. The Washington, DC area, which has the second-largest concentration of maras in the country, is approximately where Los Angeles was ten years ago, says Mr Flores. Everywhere, the statistics on gang-related crime are not remotely reliable. The same fear that makes it difficult to recruit informants means that most gang crime goes unreported.
At least, in the United States, the arrests that are made may make some small difference. The gangs continue to organise in prison, but jailhouse murders are relatively rare, and the state retains some control over the penal system. In Central America, that is not the case. In 2005, says Douglas Omar GarcÃa Funes, subdirector of investigations for the Salvadorean national police, an average of two to three mareros were killed in jail each day. In October 16 escaped, a typical number. The gangs, says Mr Funes, dominate the jails.
The warden of Tonacatepeque, a youth prison (with inmates aged 13 to 24), agrees with him. Although the prison is surrounded by an imposing 20-foot fence, and the warden claims his methods are more or less effective, he admits that the gang structure exists unchanged inside the prison. When he wants to search the cells, all the inmates are led out to a field in their underwear in the early morning, as he would not risk a search with inmates present for fear of losing control. Beat Rohr of the UNDP puts it more plainly: “The jails are nothing more than schools of crime.”
Indeed, across the affected Central American countries, the prisons are often segregated between the two rival maras, as authorities have been unable to keep control when members of both gangs are under the same roof. In August 2005, a long-standing truce between the Salvatruchas and Mara 18 in Guatemala—holding even though the two were still at odds in El Salvador and Honduras—was broken when at least 35 Mara 18 members were killed by Salvatruchas in a co-ordinated effort across several Guatemalan jails.
“We cannot”, says Paul Vernon of the LAPD, “arrest ourselves out of the gang problem.” This is something that the Guatemalan and Salvadorean governments have yet to realise. The victory of Manuel Zelaya in November's elections in Honduras is a good sign; Mr Zelaya was less prone to get-tough rhetoric than his opponent. Honduras has had perhaps both the worst attacks by maras and the heaviest-handed anti-maras efforts. In December 2004 a bus was attacked, and all 28 people on it murdered; the assault was thought to be, at least in part, payback for a mysterious prison fire earlier in the year in which over 100 Salvatruchas burned to death.
A better life
Gang violence in Central America is unlikely to wane in the near future. Police resources are stretched or non-existent. Rehabilitation programmes are tiny and, according to one Salvadoran official involved in the small pilot programmes, have at best a 30% success rate. Jails are stuffed to almost twice their capacity in El Salvador, and will probably remain so. Despite good intentions on all sides, effective co-operation among law-enforcement agencies—the sharing of databases, for instance—is not on the horizon. No country even has a comprehensive database of who is who among the gangsters. As police dither, the gangs also grow stronger up and down the United States.
The only real hope is that economic growth will eventually lift El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras out of their poverty and so reduce the incentives for joining gangs. Oscar, the Salvadorean marero, says he would prefer to get a regular job rather than be in a criminal gang any more. But with gang violence itself acting as a brake on his country's growth, the prospect seems dim.
What the fuck! How accurate is this? and... hospital, prison, cemetary for crazy dots?
sensationalism homie, thats why i didn't believe 80% of iraqis voted.
oh yeah, those of you in the socal hoods, is the eme presence bigger today than ten years ago, twenty?
I RESPECT EVERYONES OPINION,AND THE STORIES THEY POST UP,THREE DOTS HERE IN L.A. MEANS MI VIDA LOCA,SO IT MEANS DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE,IN DIFFERENT PLACES....JUST LIKE THE TEAR DROP BY THE EYE,SOME MEAN MURDER,SOME MEAN A YEAR OF JAILTIME,DEPENDING WHO YOU TALK TO,AND WHERE YOU ARE,AND ALSO THE AGE OF THE PERSON MATTERS AS WELL,WHEN I WAS A YOUNGSTER IN THE 80's SOME OF THE OLDER VATOS HAD A TATTOO OF A MONGOL,TRUST NO MAN IN CHINESE LETTERS,EVEN SPIDER WEBBS ON THE ELBOWS,BUT ALL THAT CHANGES WITH TIME...NOW THE OMLY ONES WITH A MONGOL TATTOO ARE THE BIKERS THAT ARE MONGOLSmc...THE TATTOO ON THE ELBOW WAS PICKED UP BY THE GREASERS,AND THE PUNK ROCKERS,TIME CHANGES SO DO THE MEANINGS,BUT NOT FOR ALL TATTOOS......
BUT ANYWAYS LETS HERE SOMETHING RECENT AND LOCAL,I REALLY DONT CARE ABOUT ANY MARA'S OR THEIR POSSIBLE CONNECTION WITH AL-QUEDA,CAUSE WE ALL KNOW IT'S ALL BULLSHIT,CRAP THAT WAS MADE UP TO HYPE UP THE GANG PROBLEM,SO THAT WE COULD FORGET WHO IS THE ONE THAT REALLY HAS A CONNECTION TO AL-QUEDA,THROUGH THE BIN-LADENS,WE ALL KNOW HE FLEW THEM OUT ON 9/11,
IF I WAS HEAD OF THIS COUNTRY,AND I KNEW BIN'LADEN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ATTACKS,THE LAST THING I WOULD DO IS FLY OUT THE BIN-LADENS!
I WOULD HOLD THEM AND INVESTIGATE,REGARDLESS OF THE BUSINESS VENTURES,BUT YOU KNOW YOUR PRESIDENT DECIDED TO LET ONLY ONE COMMERCIAL JET FLY THAT DAY,AND IT WAS FULL OF BIN-LADENS!
LOL!!! ANY WAYS I SHOULD OF LISTENED TO PUFF DADDY...HE WAS RIGHT...AND BUSH STILL WON HIS RE-ELECTION!!...BUT BACK TO THE SUBJECT AT HAND....WHERES WALLY?..
LETS HERE SOME SHIT CLOSER TO HOME!
MONGOLS LEADER RUNNING SCARED,WHO GOT THIS,OR WHO GOT THAT...YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHAT I MEAN,BUT GOOD SHIT WITHOUT RATTING...CAUSE THIS BLOG HAS CHANGED ALOT.
I have read that after the Rampart scandals, the L.A.P.D. has taken a more laxed approach to gang enforcement to avoid lawsuits, and it's obvious that many gang members are taking advantage of this.
THEN YOU DONT LIVE IN THE HOLLENBECK DIVISION AREA!..CAUSE OUT HERE THE G.E.D.'s (GANG ENFORCEMENT DETAIL)THEY'LL WHIP YOUR ASS SO FAST....YOU'LL KNOW WHAT HIT YOU THATS FOR SURE!,BUT THAT CODE OF SILENCE IS STRONGER THAN EVER,COPS DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT LAWSUITS,IT AINT COMING OUT OF THEIR POCKET,WHEN THEY MISTREAT YOU THEY EVEN TELL YOU TO LAWYER UP THEN,OR STOP CRYING...THEN THEY MAKE YOUR LIFE HELL!...AND THEN A COP YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN,JUST HAPPENS TO KNOW YOU..HHHHHmm? WONDER WHY?.....WELL YOU GET THE PICTURE!
thats some real talk hollenbeck resident.
so has the eme seen better days?
OK, TO THE FOOL WHO KEEPS RAPPIN HIS TRAP ABOUT THE BIN LADEN FLY-OUT CRAP I AM THE GREASER YOU TALK SHIT ABOUT WHAT TATTOO WEBS OR "MI VIDA LOCA DOTS CRUSIN MY 54 BEL AIR W/SKIRTS THAT GET TIRED OF YOU VATOS POSTING UP THE CONSPIRACY RANTS THAT MAKE OUR PEOPLE LOCO IN LA CABESA! IF YOU HOMIES DID YOR HOMEWORK BEFOR RUNNING YOUR NECK ON THE FACTS ABOUT THAT INSTEAD OF LISTENING TO THE FAT WHINY MUSTARD DOG EATING SLIMEY FAT PIG GAVA SCREEN MAN OF THE YEAR THAT FILLS YOU VATOS WITH PRODUCE OF HOLLYWOOD THAT IS BUNK YOU MIGHT LEARN SOME THINGS ABOUT THAT FAMILY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH A SON THEY DISOWNED AND WHOS COUSIN IS PICTURED IN A MAGAZINE LIKE A HOT HYNA IN THE RAW. THAT BS ABOUT THE W MAKING FLIGHT FOR THAT FAMILY IS PROBABLY TRUE BUT BECAUSE MAYBE THE FAMILIA OF THE EVIL ONE OSAMA WAS ABOUT TO GET GOT. IM SORY BUT MS 13 DUDES ARE OUT OF TOUCH WITH SHIT HERE AND I HOPE THE FEDS GOT THE EYEBALL ON THAT FOOTBAL CAUSE HOMIES LIKE THE ONE I GENERALY AGREE WITH PISSED ME OFF. HEY VATO DONT DISRESPECT GREASERS HERE. THAT WRONGO HOMEBOY. TALK TRASH ON BUSH LOVERS ALL YOU WANT LEAVE US OUT OF THAT AND STOP LISTENING TO HOLLYWODD FAT-ASS LIKE MR MUSTARD DOG PUERCO.
THAT CHAVALITA PUERCO LIES TO YOU VATO. AND YOU BELIVE THAT MENTIRA?
to him who said,
"Don't listen to that shit from Hollywood about Dubya flying out the Bin Laden family with the only non-military airplane in the air after 911, there good people who have a wayward son "Osama Bin Laden"
I almost forgot about "Osama Bin Laden" what ever happened to him?
Dubya said "we gonna track him down no matter what cave he's hidding in"
Then Dubya and Cheney go hide underground in a cave, come out after two months, start some war in Iraq based on bullshit, and poof! no more Osama Bin Laden.
He's probably kicking it the Carribean and watching Cheney's feria in the "Caman Islands"
WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT THAT! WE SUPPOSED TO BE TALKING ABOUT HOME BASE HERE!
In The Hat
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"THAT BS ABOUT THE W MAKING FLIGHT FOR THAT FAMILY IS PROBABLY TRUE BUT BECAUSE MAYBE THE FAMILIA OF THE EVIL ONE OSAMA WAS ABOUT TO GET GOT. "
well if the president couldnt protect them here, what kind of power does he have? he had to fly them out to save them? now thats bullshit. hwo was going to get them?
think about it
THAT GAVA ABOUT TO BE EXECUTED: WAS HE HOOKED UP WITH AB ? HE HAD THREE PEOPLE KILLED FROM PRISON SO I'M GUESSING HE HAD SOME POWER?
ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT?
could anyone tell me more about the book, the mexican mafia, the book, mentioned on an earlier port? and where the fuck is wally this blog is going all to SHIT!!!!
"Shit" is what you make it. Composted shit grows food, feeds folks..I'm thinking that recent post regarding the Mara18 and MS13 could have been Wally hisself. Where's it written that he has to identify. Most of ya'll remain anonymous. Why ca'nt he? It's HIS blog.. If you have'nt read it, scroll up and give it a shot. It's scary shit, man! You got to recall that your EME, NF,AB,Crips and that other AA gang (lol) was born out of the joints with a common goal - to organize.. These Maras come out of a whole different creation - pure desparation- ultra poor barrios, and what was left after their countries were tore to shit by revolution and poor attempts at totalitarian regimes. The end product was a whole group of gente desperado- mucho hambre, no? Simon.. That fact and the eloquent post above ought to be fodder for a whole heap of chatter, and maybe even some rudimentary answers. I'm thinking that's what Wally built this blog for.. Me, I keep a short shotgun propped by my door for whatever good that's worth, dunno..
Sorry- Crips and those red-raggerz was created on the streets. Hell - shoulda remembered that. And Tookie's only been gone a coupla wks.. R.I.P. or burn in hell - let God decide..
click the link
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6951629397402742053&q=north+korea
[could anyone tell me more about the book, the mexican mafia, the book, mentioned on an earlier port? and where the fuck is wally this blog is going all to SHIT!!!!]
The "book" that's being referred to is a DVD and has nothing to do with the Mexican Mafia. See for yourself (check out the reviews):
Mafia - The Inside Story
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00005A07H/102-0259033-1159373?v=glance&n=130
does anyone have any real shit they can put on the line, eme, ab street lines anything but this political caca all you nut brians have been putting down. all that shit can be heard on the fucking news! com'on lets get back to what brought this blog to the forefront of hood life.
ok Wally's evidently not coming back from 2005 and maybe he;s studying yoga or the Nostradamus quatranes, quien sabe?, and I'll resist the temptation to compare our midnight cowboy Pres to his parecidos in the "Brokeback Mountain Movie". Sorry I can't help myself sometimes!
As requested by "Tijuanero" ,feedback on "Mundo's" historia.
After reading "Mundo Mendoza's' story on DVD, which I found to be excellent and historically (my epocha also), factual, I just had a couple of questions and maybe some small, critical yet
constructive criticisms for Mundo.
The timing and the rhythm of his story was great reading overall except when he "turns" in the Kern County Jail. The transformation is kind of rushed and vague to me. It needed to be more descriptive to the reader I feel, especially after the cold and calculated executions of the two NF carnals, with a sock stuffed in ones mouth and the studied almost scientific stabbing in the most lethal area of the back with a pair of scissors, then to be affected so suddenly and dramatically by a group of evangelists?? (by the way the photos were chilling and descriptive, the dead NF vato wearing V8's chonies was something an "LA vato loco" would never be caught dead with, no pun intended, an LA Carnal only wore boxer shorts!)
And after his conversion, the fact that he still masterminds the hit on the Long Beach mechanic, and worst of all has his carnalito "Angel" involved was suspect and not properly explained.
It seemed, and maybe I'm wrong, that Mundo's relationship with "Robot" was a factor in his rolling over. I can understand this as "Robot" was a sharp,tough, not to be fucked with, politician who seemed to really get under Mundo's skin.
Hope this helps the cause and I have more opinions and suggestions if warranted.
TO: Don Q ..........
There is so much that is NOT covered in Mundo's CD and questions that are not answered to the 'inquiring mind'. Can you imagine the size of the book it would take to contain just the raw CD information you just read??
Theories will always abound as to why Mundo turned and they all sound plausible. From my observations, one thing seems clear: his desire to leave the EME had nothing to do with his track record as a soldier nor his relationship with any of his carnales, including Robot.
Sailor and Mundo had a brief problem with Robot (especially in 1975) for not performing his share of hits on the outside during that period of time (late-1975).
In an interview with Sailor, Mundo "forced" Robot to accompany them in the execution of a newly discovered FBI informant. The .45 jammed on Robot and Mundo finished the job in that instance. This hit is not in Mundo's book. There are several others that are omitted as well (legal reasons??).
In a subsequent event, the three went to a Holiday Inn in Commerce to hit a target. Mundo literally put a gun in Robot's hand and accompanied him to the target's room. In this case, the intended victim had already made a successful escape!
As related to me by Sailor, and later confirmed by Mundo, it wasn't that they didn't think Robot lacked what it took to perform.
Mundo resented the treatment of EME members by Robot - as if they were underlings and Robot would dispatch them to perform work that he should have been a part of.
He was giving Robot a "taste of his own medicine" by challenging him to perform and offering to accompany him.
With those exceptions (which I viewed as minor power skirmishes), Mundo and Robot were pretty much on the same page.
It was Mundo who actually diffused an EME incident in which both "Wito" Marquez and Robot nearly got into a "shooting match", with each going for their guns over Wito's disapproval of Robot demanding to take the proceeds of a drug ripoff that was to take place (in 1975).
Later, in 1977, Sailor was discouraged by both Alfie and Mundo from hitting Robot over his alleged "misappropriation of EME funds". More politics. At this point, Mundo was undercover, having already "turned" in Bakersfield.
As to Mundo's conversion. It was what it was: a desire to change the course of his life and the Christian visitors touched his heart. This may not make for exciting reading but that's how it came down.
He was in very high esteem with his EME carnales to the point that Alfie Sosa executed a bailbondsman in Hayward (James Catrina) and donated the proceeds to Mundo and Sailor's defense. Robot praised Mundo and Sailor whenever he met with his carnales on the outside.
While working undercover, Mundo actually came into contact much more with Joe Morgan than with Robot. When Robot was remanded into custody following Armando "Mandi" Varela's arrest, he had his own cases to worry about.
Mundo was more concerned about his relationship with Joe (again, while working undercover) as he was one of a handful of people that knew his (Joe's) whereabouts.
When Joe was arrested on the fugitive warrant and gun beef in the South Bay, Mundo was extremely wary that he might become a suspect and proceeded to organize the Signal Hill hit (with his brother Angel involved) to divert any possible heat from him.
Of course, he never shared this with us in LE until AFTER the Bakersfield murders were reopened and he came to us with the deal to testify in exchange for transactional immunity (which we had to give him).
His final and complete break with the EME was official when he was remanded to custody in May-1978 for the Bakersfield murders. He later paroled from Tehachapi, where he was housed in protective custody.
(The timing and the rhythm of his story was great reading overall except when he "turns" in the Kern County Jail.)
Don Q, maybe you would have preferred a better ending to Mundo's story than wimping out to some street Christians?
Mundo had absolutely no assistance in the writing of this story and we will never read it again like you just did. It was the raw version; he pulled no punches; and, when it gets into book form, it will be condensed to meet that literary format that we will have many many more questions to ask with no real answers forthcoming, I'm afraid.
The dude told it like it was and we confirmed everything we were able to verify with our own intelligence.
He had a strong bond with his EME brothers when he was "active". He was especially close with Sailor, Joe, Alfie Sosa and Robot. They were actually referred to (by us in LE) as the "inner circle" at one point.
I got a kick out of your comment about the underwear. Say, why are you checking out men's calzones so closely? (just kidding) You offer a very astute observation, Don Q. Farmers wear V-8's and EME wears boxers. Funny.
Thanks for your input and be safe.
Peace ....
Tijuana Jailer
I posted the Economist article, it wasn't the guy who runs this outstanding blog. Reason I posted it was b/c were getting infested with these jackasses on the east coast. Here in "Sopranos" land I can go on ad nauseum about the Russkies, Ginnies, Hood rats and what have you, don't know too much about Mexicans and other Centro-types, other than they all seem to be about 5 foot tall, was just hoping to glean some knowledge from west coast old school types like Gavajoe
ROBOT AND MUNDO WERE BOTH GREAT POLITICIANS - ROBOT WAS THE WHITE COLLAR GANGSTER WHO WAS RESENTED BY MANY OF HIS BRO'S BECAUSE THEY COULD NOT IDENTIFY WITH HIS SUAVE MANNER OF CONDUCTING HIMSELF.
ON THE OTHER HAND, MUNDO WAS THE BLUE COLLAR TYPE WHO'S LEADERSHIP (DURING HIS "ACTIVE TENURE") WAS DEMONSTRATED BY HIS WILLINGNESS TO CONSTANTLY BE ON THE FRONT LINES.
OBVIOUSLY, HE GREW WEARY OF KILLING PEOPLE AND HE TURNED HIS BACK ON A LIFE HEADED NOWHERE. MANY DESPISE HIM BUT MANY OF US BELIEVE THAT HE EXERCISED COURAGE IN NOT ONLY FORSAKING THIS LIFESTYLE, BUT TAKING THAT FINAL AND BLASPHEMOUS (TO THE GANGSTERS) STEP OF DEBRIEFING AND WORKING UNDERCOVER FOR OVER A YEAR (?).
I ENJOYED HIS BOOK (READ IT TWICE) AND IT DEFINITELY SEPARATES THE MEN FROM THE BOYS (IN GANGSTER LAND, THAT IS).
For Anonymous: I take it your homedigs is NJ - That'd be Sopranoland? Yo pick me up a nice prosciutto from the Satriales Pork Store, willya? And do'nt trip on any of those 5' cholos,OK?
You really are asking the wrong "old schooler" for any advice as to how to conduct your life around the predators.. Numero uno: Do'nt be prey! Other than that you can do what I did.. This old dog flees>> Did'nt say old dog has fleas - said old dog fled.. I reside about halfway betwixt both of ya'll.. Twenty yrs ago we decided it best to vacate my sunshine home for the badlands out in the midwest. No regrets, been here ever since. Come thru LAX twice a yr to visit Moms and the family left out there.. I feel as though I'm violating protocol here as Wally's opener to this blog is that it be "L.A. and only Los".. So I'm holding my mug and piping up if I feel I have something positive to contribute.. My Advice to you Anon on the East board is read the archives to this blog. There's a wealth of observation all articulated and concise.. There really are no answers though. This thing is a phenomenon unto itself. This is corny but it's the best I can do: In my day Crosby Stills and Nash sang a song, "teach your children well, their father's hell did slowly go by... I was never a banger, made that clear early on, but we did'nt have to.. As long as you were "stand up" you got respect and gave same.. I've taught my kids to live that way, and how to handle firearms safely, but then we're not in L.A. and we get all three swings when we come to bat. Out there a kid in the barrio has less.. Bottom line all you reading this: FLEE! Just do'nt come here. We hung out the no vacancy sign....... So now you're all pissed...... Sorry
Frankly I dont care about all the political crap he did. He was paying off his debt for his crimes of the past, so frankly he would be lucky to break even. To only deserve his punishment. He would need another lifetime to work off the jail time and death he got.
R2K
don quixote said...
ok Wally's evidently not coming back from 2005 and maybe he;s studying yoga or the Nostradamus quatranes, quien sabe?, and I'll resist the temptation to compare our midnight cowboy Pres to his parecidos in the "Brokeback Mountain Movie". Sorry I can't help myself sometimes!
Heres a thought.maybe its comments like this that gets the posters you guys call right wing nuts to come back at them. if maybe this guy could help himself and stick to the subject at hand without
interjecting his own political
opinions we wouldnt have all the political masa talked on this blog.
a little masa helps the mole'
maybe. but the the posters who gripe about the right wing nuts to
gripe about this vato.or is it a case of some people wanting it to be a one way street.
either way hes proving the right wing nut who said he just cant help himself right.ive been laying back and watching ese.
right wingnuts wrong wingnuts. it do'nt make a shit. I'm thinking you got ticked cuz the "pres" got bad-mouthed. Not to worry my friend, he's got the secret service to watch his back.Meanwhile, have you checked out Mundo's book? i just ordered it. Strange workings there - had to buy it from a law enforcement website - not that I'm prejudiced - but you know- it's strange..Then I had a thought about that earlier post jokin bout underwear - and the true meaning of being "de-briefed"? I mean aint that what you got done in the locker room? Pantsed? Do'nt know - it's weird kinda boggles ya know? Anywaze you be well.. an' don' sweat the small shit carnal.
orale ese.
i got pantsed my freshman year
on the wrestling team.
i didn't sweat it too much
cause evry freshman got the same.
youre right about not sweating their small shit, and i dont
sweat it. i was simply pointing
out how the right wingers arent
the only ones putting their personal masa on this blog and
hitting it up with pedo. bush
aint all that firme with me, but
fair is fair, and right is right.
Tijuanero, I wasn't making a judgement as far as Mundo's "conversion" in the Kern County jail, only a critique, and that is that a major life changing experience like Mundo's religious epiphany should have been expounded upon and explained in a more detailed account. Think about it, a stone cold killer who has a seemingly miraculous transformation in a prison cell. It has tremendous potential for the reader.
Hey Tijuanero, and all you internet companeros! I've been thinking about Mundo's book all day while driving 500 miles through the Rocky Mtns., and I've got to tell you a funny story about Alfie Sosa. When I saw his photos in the Mundo book it put me on rerun (35 years ago).
I can still see ALfie Sosa walking down North Broadway todo chingon, his walk very exagerated in the vato loco style, a teenage menace to society, a future hit man, gangster to the max, ready for lo que sea, all 80 pounds of him!
Only problem was he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag, but he had heart, ganas a madre! We from another varrio didn't know him as Alfie, we knew him as many called him, "Lil Man" or "Space Man" or "Mars Man". He was certainly game but got his ass kicked on a regular basis, who could have guessed he would later be responsible for so many hits?
One time in the late 60's I believe, a bunch of us and our wives or girlfriends were at a nightclub in Eagle Rock, N. Figueroa and Colorado blvd., the "Kabuki" (many murders took place there!), we were seated at a table and at the table next to us were a bunch of people I recognized from the "Happy Valley" neighborhood. You know, vato's and thier old ladys like us, a couple were friends of mine, Manuel Flores, Gordo, Crow, and Alfie who I didn't know well but recognized.
We were dancing,partying and shooting the shit, having a good time, when Alfie and his old lady start arguing and yelling (todo pedo!).
Problem was that I knew his girlfriend from my youth in Lincoln Hts. and she was a tough, fighting, sin miedo homegirl from Happy Valley who used to scare us boys when we were little, she was so bad! She was a tetherball wizard and couldn't be beat! We boys would play her and if we won we could grab a handfull of tittie, and at 11 years old she had a handfull, only problem was that we hardly ever won and even when we did we had to look at her mean ass face while we copped a feel! Fucking women have been frustrating me like that my whole life! Her name was Sally and we called her "Silly Sally".
Anyway back to the bronca between ALfie and his old lady. So their yelling and fuck you! and you fucken whore!, and you fucken Puto!, you know the routine?, So finally Alfie jumps up and throws a beautiful right hand to the jaw of Sally across the table, pero Sally as I would have bet, rolled with the punch like Ali and came back with a classic hard right cross to ALfies jaw that buckled his fucking knees. He knew he was in trouble and came back with a flurry of punches that mostly missed there mark and Sally retorted with a combination that knocked Alfie back and had him shaking his head to regain senses.
At that point his homeboys stepped in to stop the pedo,"and grabbed Sally his old lady!!" Two vatos and the girls holding her back and one vato holding Alfie upright!
We could hardly keep a straight face and after they left we laughed like a motherfucker.
Later I saw Manuel Flores and asked him what the fuck had happened it was so weird, and he told me "fuck they fight like that all the time and Alfie usually marches!
Just a little insight on a feared hitman!
TO: Don Q .....
It seems that Alfie, AKA: "Happy" from Happy Valley and also dubbed "The Little One" by his EME carnales was indeed not much of a fist fighter. You could probably label him the "fiercest Chiguahua dog" this side of the Mexian border!
When Mundo and Sailor first met Alfie (in 1975) it was at the Community Concern Corporation, which was run by the EME back then.
Sailor literally "brought him home" (a stray and abused puppy dog) to his wife and kids and allowed him to heal from a terrific ass whipping from some of his home boys in Happy Valley!
Mundo drove to Sailor's house and shook hands with Alfie who sported two mean black eyes and a swollen lip. Although Mundo and Sailor offered to personally "visit" his assailants with "lead", Alfie declined, stating it was not EME business but personal barrio biz.
If you recall from the book, Alfie had received a royal ass whipping by Alfredo "Cuate" Jimenez while the two were locked up together in the feds. He returned the favor by blowing him away in 1977 when Cuate's number came up to be hit. Cuate had antagonized Robot who in turn "politicked" against him and the vote to hit him followed and the Little One was more than available to "reciprocate" and "accomodate".
Fast forward to Sacramento County Jail in the late-1970's where he gets into a personal skirmish with Abraham "Ice Man" Hernandez, an EME carnal from Sacramento who proceeds to light up Alfie in a one-on-one fist fight. This nearnly got Abie killed but he managed to avoid execution and was later forgiven his "transgression" when fellow EME carnales agreed that Alfie surely provoked the ass whipping.
Alfie surely had the classic "little man" complex from wayyyy back and took it out on the world. Hooking up with Mundo and Sailor was a beautiful union for the Little One as they proceeded to go on a killing spree that was unparalleled to this day. I think the smell of gunpowder still lingers on.
It was Alfie Sosa who instigated (called the shot) that famous riot at Pelican Bay that we all see on cable t.v. several times a year. Of course, he and the heavyweight EME leaders were locked up in the SHU Unit. Had real EME soldiers been involved in that melee, they would have surely been responsible for some homicides. But, then again, that's why they are in SHU.
Did you run into snow, ice and slush coming across the Rockies? When you get up to Aspen and Vail we're talking 10k elevation!!
Peace ........
Tijuana Jailer
""Think about it, a stone cold killer who has a seemingly miraculous transformation in a prison cell. It has tremendous potential for the reader.""
Maybe Mundo didn't want to make it the Oral Roberts Hour?? I thought he covered it pretty thoroughly but I agree with Don Quixote. How does a stone cold killer transform into a repentant soul in a county jail cell??
That would be a story all in itself, one would suppose!
He was certainly game but got his ass kicked on a regular basis, who could have guessed he would later be responsible for so many hits?
Its like I said a long time ago when someone suggested I got my ass kicked often as a youth...
a good pit dog (game) is one that can take a hard bite , and still keep coming. It was a given he'd end up a savage.
San Quentin riot
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/01/13/MNGF9GN35C10.DTL
There's a little tension in "Q" tonight. It probably means the movie's cancelled..I read where the New Arrival unit is locked down until after Tues' morning's execution is carried out.
Therein lies the probable true cause of the uprising today. Your Governator refused to halt the scheduled execution of one Clarence Ray Allen, a Choctaw Indian. He's the oldest man to be executed in the U.S. in over 60 yrs. and the oldest ever for CA. Congrats! Keep this up and you'll rival TX for being the most prolific.
The condemned man killed a yng wm 32 yrs ago, and is convicted of ordering the killing of a witness. Unfortunately as so often happens his assigned "hitter" was careless and two youngsters were slain along with the designated hit. The assasin is also on Death Row.
Clarence Ray is diabetic, near blind, deaf, and crippled. They'll wheel him to the Green Apple Tues morning and put him out of his misery.
I recall a query in an earlier post re. this guy, asking whether he was AB. Ya think?? NAW!
""There's a little tension in "Q" tonight. It probably means the movie's cancelled..I read where the New Arrival unit is locked down until after Tues' morning's execution is carried out.""
There's always tension in "Q" for one thing or another. Mr. Ray will be executed, the prison will be taken off of lockup status, and life will go on behind the walls.
I don't think any state will ever rival Texas for speedy "enforcement of the death penalty".
Will Mr. Ray's execution deter others from killing? No sir. Will it remove another killer from society? Indeed. Is it the "right" thing to do? Some say legally "yes" and others say morally "no".
Is the will of the voters of the State of California being carried out? Yes. Do others have the right to dissent? Yes. Will it make a difference in Mr. Ray's case? Probably not.
May he move on to the next life for what awaits him.
TO THE VATO WHO BELIEVES PUERCO MENTIRA:
"well if the president couldnt protect them here, what kind of power does he have? he had to fly them out to save them? now thats bullshit. hwo was going to get them?
think about it"
I HAVE. AND YOU KNOW WHAT VATO? ESPITO HYNA SAID IT GRANDE HOMIE....
MY GIRL SAYS IGNORE YOU. FUCK YOU. I THOUGHT ABOT THAT COMENTARY YOU SAID. I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT VATO. YOU SHOULD LEARN RESPCT CARNAL. THE GREASERS OR PUNK ROCKERS DIDN'T DO UP TRASH TALK 9/11 BUT YOU DENY IT!
AND YOU THINK W MESSED UP OUR HIT CARNAL? YOU CLAIM BARRIO HOLLYWIERD DEATH SQUAD BY FAT PUERCO MOORE?
GET THE FUCK OUT
HEY GREASER......I THINK YOU GOT TO PAY ATTENTION WHEN YOU READ....NOBODY SAID ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT GREASERS OR PUNKROCKERS!!..IT WAS AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT TATTOOS MEAN AND TO WHOM...
SO YEAH LISTEN TO YOUR LADY BRO! IGNORE US ALL!...AND IF YOU DONT LIKE WHAT PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE BIN-LADENS BEING WISKED AWAY ON 9/11...TO BAD HOMIE!!! ITS THE TRUTH!! IT REAL AND ITS FUCKED UP!!
DONT TAKE SHIT LIKE THAT PERSONAL!!
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT,AND SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE,BESIDES I GOT HOMIES FROM PANDILLA DE LOBOS,BURBANK CHOPPERS AND A FEW MORE CLUBS...ALL GREASERS
SO RELAX...TURN ON FOX NEWS CHANNEL,...AND EAT SOME POPCORN..
AND WATCH SOME "REAL" REALITY T.V.
GO AHEAD...ENJOY YOUR FREEDOM...DRIVE YOUR 53-54 CHEVY SLED HOMER...ALL THE WHILE OUR BOYS ARE SACRAFICING THEIR LIVES AND NORMALLY...BECAUSE YOUR PRESIDENT SHIFTED FROM THE TRUTH A LITTLE AND WENT IN TO IRAQ,WE GOT HUSSEIN..BUT WHERES THE REAL CULPRIT?...OSAMA..STILL FREE..ENJOYING AND FUNDING TERRORIST WITH HIS FORTUNE THAT HE INHERITTED FROM WHO?...HIS "FAMILY"
So what does all this political crap have to do with the smog in L.A.? Geez .....
"Tijuanero" thanks for the comments and interesting info regarding my bit of insight and experience with individuals and characters related to Mundo's book, and I sincerely hope he and everyone concerned with his effort makes millions, and he should.
Mundo's story involves not only history, but also drama,a great cast of characters, murder, treachery, ambition, comedy,
retribution, survival, and finally (probably due to the unrequited love of his mother and his early upbringing in the Catholic Church,"many of us can relate to that!!"), self examination, repentance, and redemption.
If edited and organized without being chopped up or sanitized unduly I feel it has the potential to become a modern day "Shakespearean" classic like "King Lear",or"Julius Ceasar"
And I would like to relive a couple of treacherous and cold blooded murders involving some characters and Emero's that I'm sure Mundo will recall. Maybe in another post or if Wally's apparition doesn't reappear. I'm sure they will chill the blood of our fellow bloggers!
Let me know and maybe Mundo would like to integrate them into his story.
Also thanks for the concern about my "road trip" Tijuas, and by the way I am not using I-70 thru the Rockies, your right it's too icy and snowy and I don't have my ski equipt. with me anyway or I'd spend some time at Vail or Aspen or Brekenridge (and also I'm getting to be an old "viejo salado" with a philosophy like the old Kris Kristopherson song "Is the going up worth the coming down?")
No I came down and across I-80 to I-25 south from Idaho after visiting an old Camarada and Torcido from LA who has done very well in the last 20 years, easily a millionare all legit!
Just a word of advice Tijuas, this old carnal owns a little restaurant and bar in the Idaho mtns. and as you know many LE veteranos have retired there, so this friend is telling me that during deer hunting season a whole group of ex LAPD, Sheriffs, etc; came into his place to get gas,supplies,beer, and order some burgers and fries, and he recognizes this one guy as a hated "Bull" from "Folsom" when he did a stretch there. So homeboy is telling me he's in the kitchen making burgers and they make eye contact with each other, the old Bull it's apparent is trying to recall who this motherfucker is in his memory bank but blow's it off and starts wiriwiri with his partners.
So these guys order some food to go and this old fat ex Bull orders a "low fat" sandwich (no mayo, no cheese, diet bread,). Homeboy tells me he wanted to put poison in the motherfuckers food but being a reformed ex con he checked himself and only resorted to popping open a couple of his "anti constipation capsules" and sprinkling it into the Bulls diet sandwich to go.
We laughed like hell and Homeboy tells me he hoped the old prick shit his pants and fucked up his deer hunt!
So cuidate! out there Tijuanero it really is a small world.
Did anyone notice that the 300th comment in here regards not politics, not even gang activity, but the freakin SMOG? That 300th is a record so far as I can see..Muchas gracias a Tijuanero y Maestro Don Quixote (aka. DQ - no not Dairy Queen, which all gavachos know is a portly Jewish girl) for filling the gaps with their brilliant recall.. I'd bring down that last post DQ, but i do'nt have the skills, have to hollar at my son, but have to respond: Chale ese! I ordered the freakin cd, dude. You sound like an infomercial. It better be good. It aint gonna be no Shakespeare tho holmes. Mi Ruka, the English Lit Masters spent yrs translating Billy Boy to my cloudy brain, and the dude was fuggin brilliant, quirky, you have to wonder what mota he smoked. Did it all without taking no lives either,holmes. Now I know that your statement was driven by your zeal to see this work get assimilated,and make a profit, but like I said, check yourself. It is a hoot to imagine Mundo's autobiography played out in some amphitheater in blueblood Boston for a buncha gavas with their pinkies up in the air, but YO - aint gonna happen. It's gonna be good reading for vatos like me that have hung up his spurs - or BETTER YET for the young ones coming up that can maybe (big maybe) glean some sense out of what I'm looking to be, a tale of redemption..
Perdoneme, I shoulda seperated my paragraphs, but i quit smoking and have a tendency to rant..
Also have you considered the dichotomy (I'm not sure what that means) between Mundo and the late Stan Williams? Here we are preaching the quality of Mundo Mendoza's redemption and a month ago the majority of folks scoffed at the validity of Tookie's.
I mean each of these people were cold blooded killers. Is the redemption quantified by the amount of remorse? OR IS IT HOW MUCH THEY DEBRIEFED? Is there a Redemption Board like the Parole Board? I KNOW how much they like "remorse"..
Do'nt for uno minuto think I defend the mayate's right to life. Hell, he took 3 - he OWED his!! Let the whiney Snoop puppy and the fuggin amnesty folks shit up a stick..
But what gives Mundo right to a fresh ticket? I'm hoping the book will clarify my doubt..I mean some of my best friends are Mexicans!!
(Also have you considered the dichotomy (I'm not sure what that means) between Mundo and the late Stan Williams? Here we are preaching the quality of Mundo Mendoza's redemption and a month ago the majority of folks scoffed at the validity of Tookie's.)
Great observation, Gava Joe:
The "quality" of Tookie Williams redemption vs. Mundo's.
Both offered something "good to society" AFTER their criminal deeds were committed.
The difference: We have a legal system in place - good or bad, equtiable or not - that sentenced one bad guy to death and another to a less than life imprisonment sentence. Mundo engineered a plea bargain, Tookie could not. Every criminal situation is a case by case deal and I think you know that.
Mundo is the first to admit that "if the death penalty was ever applicable to anyone, I would consider myself a worthy candidate .... I deserved to be executed". With that said, I don't think he'll be voluteering to be next in line for execution.
In personal interviews and in law enforcement seminars he has stated this without equivocation. He "escaped", "was blessed" and "survived" the ultimate punishment for his crimes.
I believe the Prison Gang Task Force had between 25 and 30 homicides assigned to Mundo alone and each target was a member of the gang underworld and part of that gangster "game".
Not ONE innocent victim was killed and in the Bakersfield hit of the Reyes brothers, he was successful in isolating a female (NF Daniel "Woodsey" Reyes' date) to keep her from being hit (in his book).
Does this qualify him for sainthood? Hell no. There were indeed innocent victims that were NOT killed: the families of his murder victims!
The question you pose, Gava Joe, is insightful and deserves some getting into.
(But what gives Mundo right to a fresh ticket?)
"There but for the grace of God go I ...." We've heard this expression umpteen times and I've heard fellow officers state this, (especially those raised in the inner city) particularly those that were close to making that wrong turn at a younger age.
Mundo's "right to a fresh ticket" he attributes to his God; many in society say it's a flawed system; I say he was fortunate to have escaped the Jaws of Death, be it from the Law, the EME or his adversaries.
(I'm hoping the book will clarify my doubt..I mean some of my best friends are Mexicans!!)
I think the book will shed light on the events that took place in his life. I know for a fact that he is more concerned with making the literary transition from CD to the upcoming paperback book which will allow convicts to have access to his story. The purpose for the CD was ONLY to give those interested the entire raw version with no editing or chopping up. This will have to take place when the paperback is released.
His primary concern is that his story may influence the mind of a gangster or wannabe and "save" him from destruction.
His lesser concern is that people like you and I will believe that Mundo the bad guy is now Mundo the redeemed. He's already convinced the people he most cares about regarding his change of life's course.
Feel free to share your observations with the masses when you are finished.
Peace ..........
Tijuana Jailer
Gracias Tijuana Jailer for the clear response. I stand informed. My dog is licking my elbow, demands a walk. I remain in the warmth of mi Familia this Sat. nite. Wish others same.
Buen Domingo ya'll
Orale Gava Joe, have enjoyed your posts as always, fresh and insightful. And apologize if I came off in my last post as "putting on the dog" it could have been caused by my fourth glass of wine as I was posting! (yeah blame it on the pisto!),I do ski although a terminal intermediate,(didn't start till my 40's) and I do enjoy Shakespeare, in spite of the fact that I'm a Chicano high school dropout, ex pinto hoodlum, from the east side of LA who was fortunate enough to have some mentors and people who never gave up on me.
And I didn't mean to sound like a "it chops,it dices, it slices, it grates, salesman" for Mundos book although after reading it twice I highly recommend it. And I have no financial interest in it although I wish I did!
I am serious though when I say Mundo's book if edited correctly could evolve into a modern day Shakespearean Drama. It has like Shakespeare or any good story a common theme dealing with all our human foibles, strenths, desires, emotions,(murder always lurking!)
And as far as it's limitations due to regionalism I humbly disagree, are Shakespeare or Dostoevski, Jack London, Cervantes, Victor Hugo, to be dismissed as writers of limited national readership or is the common thread all about our human
life experience's
Was Mario Puzo's "Godfather" book just an "Italian thing"?
No Gava Joe, your going to dig it and it should when in book form definately be a "page turner".
Again I apologize to you and Tijuas if I came off the wall in my last post.
Salud,Pesetas,y tiempo para gozar.
I'm sorry, i drink wine , ididn't mean to come off like i did Mmmm kisses kisses kisses, What a fucking pussy fest the last few posts were huh. Hey the fool is a RAT!! nothing he can do will and can erase and excuse it that fact. Yeah the vato was a badass killer and chingon soldier, but that dies'nt cover up the fact that he gave it up!! and without beinging asked to do so weather under pressure or personal pain. When in the game your in the game! and what you involve yourself in you go oout by yourself. And i would think that as a former pinto you wine drinking nut you should know better then to excuse such an act. It's always the same song these birds sing, i did it for my familiy, for my ruca or for GOD. Never because you just plain punked. And if anyone out there thinks there was'nt a real reason he did it well then there you go the real hardcore vatos are thge only ones who know what i'm saying.
now you three guys put down your wines and dogs and kiss each other goodnite.
G'nite don-boy- g'nite gava -g'nite TJ g'nite don-boy '
sad - youth is wasted on the young.
(What a fucking pussy fest the last few posts were huh. Hey the fool is a RAT!!)
Can you spell shit in Spanish?
M-I-E-R-D-A
That, my delusional friend, is what your reasoning resembles .....
pura mierda!
When a vato decides to blaze the outlaw trail, guess what, he's a traitor to his family .... a traitor to his community ..... traitor to the human race .... and yes, a piece of mierda. But, he remains a traitor.
So, no matter what glory you may choose to attach to these vatos' deeds:
vato loco "down for his hood;
"soldier to the max",
"hope-to-die tecato",
a solid member of the "game we vatos play".......
and all these wonderful descriptive adjectives, these dudes still chose a lifestyle of lawlessness.
Now when an individual chooses to correct his lifestyle: criminal, alcoholic, drug user, loser, gang member, career jail bird, etc., we in the law abiding world welcome these "ratas". That is to say, we welcome their change of heart.
In prison, how does the administration determine whether an inmate is serious about renouncing his lifestyle? By "debriefing". The rat drops his chonis and "gives up the papa".
You and your kind (and the mierda of the world) don't like this because it betrays your sick values and it exposes your sick camaradas. Too bad. That's part of the "game" you speak of. Betrayal, politicking, setting up, ripping off, turning against .... it's all part of your "game" and the rules are always made to be broken.
Why? Because, contrary to the fantasy you propose to adhere to, there is no honor among mierda. The person holding the smoking gun determines the rules and whoever "gets off first" does the same.
Show me a crime outfit - street gang, prison gang, etc. - who doesn't have their own members rolling against their own and I'll show you the perfect crime syndicate .... the way Satan himself would have designed it.
The criminal lifestyle is not a lifestyle that a person -- any person -- cannot turn from. The cool thing about guys like Mundo, Sailor and Chuco in their debriefing and "going all the way", is that they have ensured themselves that they have made it next to impossible to ever again return to this world. To do so is to invite certain death.
If the legacy of a criminal lifestyle is what you find admirable, and you wish for your children to be raised in this manner, then do your thing, chingon, but don't try to sell anyone on the nobility of such a life because there's no honor amongst mierda. Oh, I'm sorry. You refer to them as hardcore.
Spencer Tracy
[[[[When in the game your in the game!]]]]
Dumb bitch, this isn't ping pong we're discussing. A game!
"To Snitch or not to Snitch, that is the question ..... "
(Shakespere)
So, what about the vato that got into the life young, as a kid, maybe he followed his older bros who were gonna take care of him. Now, he grows up, makes a decent life for himself and is almost legit, except for once in awhile, something needs to be done, and he gets the call. So, he's made a good life for himself, his wife, his kids, and doesn't wanna leave all that behind by debriefing. But he wants out; he's older, now. He's tired. He wants to play with his grandkids. But every so often, he keeps getting that fucking call. He's not gonna up and quit, bail on his family, his job, his legitimate life. Where does that leave him? Don't throw down that live by the sword, die by the sword, shit, either. You make bad choices when you're a kid; we all have. And our kids will, too. But can this guy ever have his life back, the one he's created on the legit side? Ever?
Hypothetically speaking, of course...
Sancha
You know what? Homes called me out for being weak and sympathetic to a rat. And he is right on in many aspects of the Mundo story. My culo hurts from the ass kicking but I may have needed it.
He's right in saying that an ex pinto and one who was in the life and knew the consequences and movida in play should and did ride my own beef when busted,and even though at times, taking an ass kicking by the juda, being threatened and coerced, having your door kicked in, your house searched, cops threatening to put your old lady in jail and your baby's in juvenile hall unless you gave it up, you suck it up and never ever put dedo on others. That's the way it was, and if one wanted to vanish into the straight life one walked away and didn't take anyone down to benefit yourself. ANd I and many others took that turn and can still walk the streets and relate to old socio's without shame or fear of retribution.
ANd as far as Mundo and his book,I still hope they all make a fortune. It is an exciting journal of the life of a carnal, but certain questions must be explained or Mundo will be "called out" and ridiculed for being a rat based on his own expediency.
He must explain in a more detailed way his "rolling over" process, it is weak and suspect as it now stands. If he got religion as some carnals have, and suffered no retribution, why did Mundo turn snitch on his camaradas who would give thier life up for him?
Why after his so called "religious conversion" did he still murder and conspire to murder for the Carnals?
These are serious questions that must be answered in order to maintain validity and avoid ricicule as a self serving rat.
This may be long winded but I must respond to "Tijuana Jailers" remarks concerning Mundo's hits.
(I believe the Prison gang task Force had between 25 and 30 homocides assigned to Mundo alone and each target was a member of the gang underworld and part of that gangster "game".
"Not one innocent victim was killed".)
Tijuas although I respect you and your work and commentaries,I have floated the bait out there for you on a couple of occasions and you never bit, so I"m going to respond with just three(I can deliver more)
situations that will contest your assertion about Mundo "not one innocent victim was killed"
A friend and business partner(drugs!), from the "Wilmas" varrio and well known and respected all over the LA area, who I hooked up with the "Happy Valley/Rose Hill" old time connection,(JoJo Felix who was killed by the FBI in El Sereno after being set up and
described as "armed and dangerous" by a "credible informant",(Who could it have been?)
At the time there was a power struggle over drug business between EME and the old Rose Hill/ Happy Valley group.
Any way one day this partner tells me his carnal who I'll call "Fatso" also from Wilmas, is handling the Heroin business for EME (we never referred to it as EME back then but only "Those Guys" or something similar), and he was worried about him due to laziness and propensity for smack, also Fatso was the youngest son and lived with his eldery widow mother,(many times in the Mexican Culture one kid is determined to be the one who takes care of the parents in thier old age, it was Fatso!).
It couldn't have been more than six months later that I got a call from my partner who very calmly asked if I would go to Wilmington to help him clean up the"rearhouse were Fatso lived. His mom and a live in "criada" (a kind of Maid).lived in the front house.
He then tells me that Fatso had been murdered in the house and there was blood all over, and his old mother had discovered Fatso's body and was in bad shape up front with the familia.
So I drive down to Wilmas and when I arrived the whole familia was freaking out,screaming and crying, the old lady was completely hysterical and didn't look good.
I go to the back house and my partner meets me with a bunch of rags an cleaning equipt. and proceeds to tell me in a very calm unemotional manner that "Fatso" fucked up with "those guys" and instead of taking care of business had been geezing up all the carga so he had been made an example of and a signal to all had been sent.
We go into the small house and the smell of blood was overpowering and I almost freaked out myself as there was blood,clots of blood, shit, and vomit in every room and all over the floor, walls and even on the ceiling, It looked like a fucking scene from some Friday the 13th movie. My partner only responded that his brother was a greedy vato, should have known better and his real concern was for his Mom who discovered this grizzly scene. Took us 3 full days to clean up the mess. My partners old widowed mother was dead within 3 months.
"Rigo Palomares" an old homeboy from Clover who along with his "Cunado Baldo"from Avenues were doing business with the Carnals in the area. Palomares came from the notorious Palomares family including the much feared "Calles" from Dogtown. This family was not much liked as they were prone to irrational behavior and unprovoked violence.
These vatos fucked up and got on the wrong side of the Carnals. They found "Baldo" in the weeds above "Verdugo Playground", all black and bloated up after two weeks rotting. I heard that the autopsie revealed enough heroin in his body to kill an elephant.
Palomares and a girlfriend were on his Harley, No.Figueroa at Sycamore Grove Park when a car pulls alongside and blasts them both off the bike from a 12 ga. shotgun.
Palomares and Baldo probably had it coming as they were both vato's that listened to no one and were quick to chingaso's.
But what about the girl? She died an innocent victim who happened to be on the back of a Harley at the wrong time.
"Pope" a well known vato from Riverside Dr. AKA "Frogtown" who was legendary as a "Paddy" who was in every aspect and action in his body a "Chicano". He had done time frequently and spent time in Tracy and Soledad as a teenager. He was known by everyone in almost every varrio and was definately "hooked up" with the Carnals.
He ran a couple of "Catering Trucks" (roach coaches) said to have been financed by Joe Morgan himself as they went wayyy back. Pope dealt smack from the catering trucks and was supposed to be taking care of business but fucked something up bad enough to be put on the big homies shit list.
My carnalito and some friends were renting a house up from No. Figueroa on Museum Dr. and once in while Pope would make a delivery and shoot the shit with everyone.(Another Politician like Robot!)
The neighbors were a gavacho couple and real nice like college student types.
One day my brother calls me and say's that all hell broke loose and someone shot the couple next door as they were walking down the driveway of thier house. The young woman died and the husband was shot in the neck (became a total quadrepalegic for life!).
About six months later the story came down from on high.
"Pope", had fucked up the "Catering Truck/Heroin negocio" and the Big Homies had his number on the "extremely urgent list".Someone(ask Mundo carefully about this!) got next to Pope and was going to blast him in the back of the head with a 45 (hmmm!) but Pope who was a master politician and verbal wizard talked his way out of the cemetary by claiming he had been ripped off himself and would be willing to help hit the perpetrators.
So Pope and someone familiar to us drive to the house of this innocent young gavacho couple and when they walk out the door they get lead poisoning "a huevo"!
Pope disapeared and some say is a "CI" now or maybe kicking it the Carribean? When the word on this bullshit came down it was a big time "Leva" for Pope!
So Tijuanjero when you say no innocent victims ever suffered I can only say "Quien Sabe ?"
Hoping for your successful endeavor.
Hey does anyone know what ST13HK1 stand for see it tagged up in sacramento in huge block letters looks like some real sureno writing ..not like a paisa one..
Jesus Christ! I wasn't finished and just venting some caca, I pushed "Preview" so I could edit and correct some fucked up things that the devil made me say and before I know it Poof!!! it's blogged in! WTF Wally fix this situation!
Anyway let me apologize (Again!)to anyone who feels I came off like a EME or Ex pinto flag waver, I'm not. And to Junior who gave me the patada, and do I ever need it,just let me say that even though I would never speak on anyone except myself, rats,or just repeat old news, (yesterdays papers!) I don't condone or propose the "Life" to anyone. I would never want anyone to experience the paranoia and expectation of someone snitching on you and having the door kicked in by law, doing time, having some homeboy taking care of your wife or girlfriend six months after your busted. your kids growing up without you and maybe being raised by another "daddy", being surrounded by idiots both cons and bulls, wasting your life doing and accomplishing nothing, and worse of all having your children growing up as Mundo so succinctly describes, and I must paraphrase, "A totally twisted social value system" .
So while it may be interesting rehashing old war stories and incidents I hope to god that all the EME's,NF's, AB's, street gangs, and all other twisted fucked up, influences on our kids and grandkids one day disapear forever
(With greetings to Sancha)
[..... except for once in awhile, something needs to be done, and he gets the call...and doesn't wanna leave all that behind by debriefing. But he wants out; he's older, now.]
A person in that hypothetical situation can indeed have it both ways, I suppose, if this is what he chooses. He can "put in work" AND enjoy his grandkids.
Obviously, the risk he takes is getting caught and going up for life (or death).
Contrary to popular belief, many EME members have "gracefully bowed out" from "performing service" by just moving away from the mix and NOT asking "business questions". As long as they were not debriefing, they were allowed to "retire gracefully".
The desire to no longer "put in work" at the expense of "not enjoying one's grand kids" is a decision that no one else can make for him. The potential consequences can be examined first and if he's in a catch-22, then he has to decide and live with his decision.
When the feds prepare a witness for relocation, they will never pull punches: "You will not be in touch with anyone from your previous life when you come aboard.
Whoever enters the Program with you is also bound by this agreement."
The idea is to FULLY protect the target from assassination.
Also, I "hear you" about the "live by the sword, die by the sword" bs. Some people do "buy into" this street modus operandus. They love to perpetuate hopelessness. They also seem to be saying, "If you make a decision to be a gang banger, you cannot reverse yourself .... ever". To this I say, "Yeah .. right".
Don Q: I never said that no innocent victims have ever suffered at the hands of the EME.
You better hand over that wine bottle your friend accuses you of hitting.
(Quote) I believe the Prison Gang Task Force had between 25 and 30 homicides assigned to Mundo alone and each target was a member of the gang underworld and part of that gangster "game".......
Not ONE innocent victim was killed (End Quote)
What I am stating (re-read above) is that, according to Mundo, none of HIS murder victims were innocent people or people not part of the "gangster scene".
Now, whether that's completely true or not, I can't personally give you that assurance since I wasn't there. I only know that neither did we ever find an incident attributed to him in which there was an innocent victim murdered by Mundo. I suppose the rest is for you to either believe or disbelieve.
As for this "allegiance" to the EME flag that you refer to, let me ask you a hypothetical question. If you had a loved one who was a victim of a prison gang-related 187, and an EME dropout was willing to come forward with information that would shed light on the perps, would you insist on this "street code" to be observed or would you call out for justice?
We in LE could care less about the motive of a "friendly" if his information is corroborated with physical evidence AND, in many instances, other "friendlies". We wish to solve cases.
Not only did Mundo solve cases (32 separate cases that we worked on with him) but he also prevented the executions of many other targets including witnesses.
Don Q, if you choose to wear the "barrio member hat", then yes, you should feel as the previous poster and maybe reconsider any positive feedback you may express about Mundo.
If you choose to wear your "concerned citizen hat" then maybe you can understand where it is necessary for LE to rely on the likes of the Mundo's of the world. I don't think anyone expects you to have lunch with the guy.
As to your questions about his conversion, circumstances about his turning, his involvement in crimes while he was an undercover operative, maybe someday he'll write a book entitled: "Here are the answers to the questions Don Q posed for you".
Remember, Mundo left the scene in May of 1978, so you may wish to check the dates of your incidents.
Until then, I enjoyed the exchange.
Peace .........
You know it always amazes me how LE can turn a rotting flower into a blooming daisy when it suits their purpose que no. You know anyone who has had a loved one killed will always and forever wish someone would come up and say something that would bring closure and comfort to them that shit goes without saying. But how hypocritical of you to say thats the only way to get closure, hey why not try doing your job [LE] many cases are and have been toss aside due to the racial makeup of the persons in involved, i'm sure you'll agree with me on that. And if you don't no problem it's been documented throughout the decades in the varrios, hoods and ghettos.
And if you really want to bust true criminals that hinder the growth and expanion of our comunities go bust the fools on capital hill all those crooked congressmen and lobbyest you know, hey if thats to far up the chain for you go after the crooked local goverments that steal from the poor taxpayers with impunity all over this county [LA]. You know those questions posted by the previous blogger were good and do need some kind of anwser and trying to seperate the so called good citizens from the bad non- caring kind you put out there is just a way of piionting a finger at the ones you don't like, remember all have sinned and come short of the glory. I feel your dislike for the vatos on the calles it comes thru pure and simple, thats cool its you're right but hey try and lay some truth behind it and tell the shit the way it really is.
Politicians are crooked?????
Noooo, you're shitting us right?
Should we go after Bush?
Everybody knows how crooked he is.
How about Clinton..Bill or Hillary,
you think their hands are clean?
How about Kennedy? Shit man, the
Kennedy's were founded on
"dirty money". Then there's Ted's
caper on the bridge with his hyna.
How about the Governator? We all
know how he takes money from special interests and business.
What about Davis? The C/O union was
his biggest campaign contributor, and they got a 37% raise while he was in office...GO FIGURE!!!!
Go after the local governments you
say? You mean like South Gate?
Where the city officials have for years been corrupt? Or how about
Compton, where city positions and contracts are openly and blatantly given to relatives and friends of the city officials?
Shit man, money talks. Always has,
always will. Where do you suggest
we start?
Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Where do you suggest we start?
You know I never used the term "debrief" until I read this blog. In my world the word denotes rat, snitch,fuckin motormouth no-count shitbird stoolie, but that's only me expressing all life's taught me in my nearly 60 yrs.
I do'nt intend to change my take on the ineractive life of crime. You do the crime, you hold your mud and ride the beef - simple..
You pay your designated debt and try again - simple..
Life would be a lot simpler for a guy like me, trying to walk straight and narrow if he did'nt have these simple tenets that seem to rule his life, but they do now.
It's unfortunate that my brethren on BOTH sides of the law ca'nt share them..
I gots to say Don Coyote (I josh) I enjoyed your tale of the "Fatso cleanup".. Also the ex Folsom CO and his bowel affliction -pobrecito.
Any thing you, I, or anyone have to say in here is'nt going to effect the tide. Kids'll kill each other and their childhoods will end and more predators will emerge.
Generations of gangs and generations of cops will co-exist and feed off each other..
Eventually a pure evil hybrid demon will squeeze out of the mix.
He'll probably come out of Los. You guys ARE in the forefront! And the motherfugger'll run for President and his media-savvy handlers will get him elected and yada-yada-yada.. Hey! Where the hell is my mundo cd? Goddam MLK Day - no fuckin mail..
looks like the gavcha had too mush wine.
Hey pelado! You can never have too much wine, as long as it's a good red California wine(keeps me from getting homesick!) Like a good cigar it will keep you alive! "groucho marx, sigmund freud,winston churchill, milton berle, george burns, mark twain, fidel and methuzela!
Hey Tijuanero, to answer your question, yes all the incidents I described in a prior post occured during Mundo and the EME's reign of terror (early to late 70's) and the rational behind my relating of these incidents is twofold.
If Mundo has truly become a believer and follower of Jesus Christ and his teachings of humility, "self sacrifice!", and service to the Lord and mankind, (and I, like him grew up in the "old Catholic Church" so I know he knows not to bullshit the Lord"), then he must not hold back or try and manipulate the "truth".
I would never ask him to inform on anyone else (that's the easy way out!),we only have ourselves to blame for our human frailties.
And I personally don't need, as you state, A book from Mundo entitled "Here are the answers to the questions Don Q posed for you,".
No Tijuas, Mundo and all involved with his narrative must ask, and answer those questions ,not only to themselves but to the real "Mero Big Homie" and if we have lived according to his "Movidas"!
Again I sincerely hope your efforts with this book are a "real success" ( and I don't intend to come off as some holier than thou preacher), as it could help shine a light on a quandry bedeviling mankind forever and relates to what "Jesus" said to "Satan" during his "temptation" in the desert.
"What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul?"
Provecho!
((You know I never used the term "debrief" until I read this blog. In my world the word denotes rat, snitch,fuckin motormouth no-count shitbird stoolie, but that's only me expressing all life's taught me in my nearly 60 yrs.))
So there it is in a nutshell: Those who live by the underworld code will find no redeeming qualities in a turncoat and those who do not live by the underworld code will not care to have lunch with a leper but will accept his information if it helps solve crimes.
Everyone has their opinions and life goes on. A cop, meanwhile, has a thankless job no matter how you cut it. But that's what they buy into when they take that oath.
Uncle Tomas
Talk about your organisied crime, man you could tell a tale without including the biggest dirtest most cruptful bag of slime as law enforcement. No matter what color their uniform is they're as rotten as an spoiling apple. They go on homicide calls yet somehow all thier shootings are call legit thay go on domestic call yet they have the highest wife beating incidents then any other profession and so on and so on, but they will tell without us there'd be no law only chaos you need us to keep you safe, Ha!! keep us safe are you kidding me. What we need is an honest level handed professional out there doing his he wnet into eyes open. Not these killers who find an excuse at every call to pull out the cuete and shoot, Sabes que the shit is caveman sttyle and people can say what they want but the shit is so out in the open that those people either are stone cold blind or plain sheep needing to be led by the nose.
What a joke. Yeah, the cops are
running around shooting people
down in the streets like dogs.
Pedo.
Just curious. What is your source for cops beating their old ladies more than truck drivers?
Or bankers?
That's long been an argument of the anti-juda.
The reality is if a cop beats his old lady nowadays he can lose his ability to carry a quete due to domestic violence laws. Then he has no job.
Not happening much nowadays.
You hate cops. That's your
constitutional right. You sound silly when you state nothing more than your opinion as fact.
And if you really want to bust true criminals that hinder the growth and expanion of our comunities go bust the fools on capital hill all those crooked congressmen and lobbyest you know,
I'm with you, homie. Power to the people! Y que viva Pancho Villa! We run our pinchi neighborhoods and we don't need no pinchi blancos y negros patroling our home towns.
We run the neighborhoods all right.
All the gava government officials are corrupted to the core.
We need programs back like Project
Get Going,LUCHA,SPAN,and Community
Concern. And we need more politicians like Richard Alatorre to straighten things out.
YOUNGSTERS...TOO NAIVE TO REALIZE
YOUR OWN CAN VICTIMIZE YOU MORE EASILY THAN GAVAS BECAUSE YOU
HAVE A NATURAL DISTRUST FOR GAVAS.
((You know it always amazes me how LE can turn a rotting flower into a blooming daisy when it suits their purpose que no.))
You are absolutely correct, my friend. Sometimes, the only way we in LE can justify making a pact with the devil is to "portray a rotting flower into a blooming daisy". Sorry it doesn't meet with your approval but it happens all the time. Calling an informant a rotting flower does not excuse the deeds of the bad guys.
Unfortunately, if not for CI's, or snitches, we would be relegated to "after-the-fact" duty. How many times do you think that a black and white will actually roll up on an organized crime in progress? Try never. So, these "arrangements" oftentimes works for us.
Don Q: You're right, the "Mero Big Homie" will handle folks when it's that time. Sorry I can't give you the answers you are looking for but I'll try to give you some "intimate insight" below since I know you are biting at the bit to "extract information" in your cunning way of posing these questions (smile).
((If Mundo has truly become a believer and follower of Jesus Christ and his teachings of humility, "self sacrifice!", and service to the Lord and mankind, (and I, like him grew up in the "old Catholic Church" so I know he knows not to bullshit the Lord"), then he must not hold back or try and manipulate the "truth".))
We tried that nickle and dime psychology on him (no offense, Don Q) once upon a time. It didn't work. It was pretty much his terms or nothing.
Rewind to 1975: Mundo and Sailor are arrested in Bakersfield for the double murders of two NFers. Both are highly placed EME members who are going through the criminal legal system.
Unbeknownst to anyone in the criminal or LE world, Mundo, along with the Kern County Jail population, is visited by folks from the local Christian community and a "change" takes place.
Much later, Mundo explains that he began to feel bad for the people he helped put away. He cannot share this "change" with his
co-defendant (Sailor) nor with anyone that would put him "in the hat"!
He continues his journey through the legal system and an event takes place that is unexpected. A legal technicality results in the two murder cases being thrown out. He and Sailor are released, Sailor first (in January-1977) and Mundo next (in March-1977 following his discharge from CDC parole).
Shortly after Sailor's release, and while Mundo was awaiting for his parole to expire, he made contact with the CDC and requested to "talk". Two of our guys visited him with much suspicion.
1)He had no cases pending against him whatsoever; 2)Having successfully beaten two murder counts, we really thought he wished to yank our chain; 3)He was one of our "most wanted".
His expressed motive for coming to us was stated somewhat like the following (paraphrased): I'm tired of killing people; I've had a change of heart as to the direction I wish to go in life; I would like to assist the LE community in an undercover capacity to help put people away who are doing the things that I used to do with murder being at the top of this list.
Not once (at that initial interview with Gil Avila and Rick Minjares) did he tell them that he was "born again" or that he had become a disciple of Christ. We heard that much much later, DQ.
While working undercover he expressed a decision to handle EME's heroin and cocaine operation in concert with Joe Morgan, who was then a fugitive.
Going back to "that world", even in an undercover capacity, was like placing an alcoholic in charge of a full bar. As he assisted us, the paranoia became enormous but he kept his cool demeanor somehow for over a year!
He prevented several homicides while he involved himself in dope dealing (the lesser of the EME evils) in his "work" for us in the LE community. DQ, you and many others are correct in stating that he did not have to give up anyone. You're absolutley correct! He could have ridden off into the sunset and "gracefully retired" and no one would have gone a-huntin' for him. He had surely put in his work.
But understand this, whether you like it or not; whether you agree with it or not: He and he only made a decision to work undercover for us. He said he felt like he was "purging" a part of him that was ugly and evil. And he said that since "he could not bring anyone back from the dead", he would repay society in the only way he knew how: "by putting away people who were doing what he did so that they could never do this again".
He was instrumental in the arrest of Joe Morgan (in Torrance, I believe is where it came down). After personally bailing him out, he was paranoid because only a handful of people (Mundo included) knew that Joe was in this vicinity and when he met with Joe at his San Pedro residence, Joe produced a photo of a drug dealer who was the husband of the EME's bail bonds person - Helen Mrazek.
Mundo felt that he was being tested because his guilty conscience (having given up Joe) had kicked in. When he masterminded the Bob Mrazek hit he justified it as "survival". He found himself in a tight situation and he responded in the only way he was trained to respond: by having someone taken out. Do I
think this was right? Hell no. He definitely should have come to us with this.
Remember, this was not the first time he found himself in that type of situation. If you recall, read the first four pages of Chapter XXI in the incident that almost took place at Poncho's house. What would you have done in a similar situation, Don Q? Be honest with your reply. Remember, you don't have to perform for anybody on this blog. Only I know where you live (eh ..... just kidding, dude).
Although the decision to have Bob Mrazek hit in the name of "survival" comes as a "stretch" to me, he felt it, took the chance, got away with it and it never would have come to light had he not volunteered the info.
At the beginning of his book he states: "No one is born a criminal". Meaning, that this life of crime is a process that takes many years of circumstances and bad decisions to take a person to becoming the "worst of the worst".
Conversely, to turn your back on that life of hardcore crime is another process that also takes time. Mundo responded to a crises - a life or death crises in his mind - in the only way he was trained to respond: with extreme violence.
If someone gets in your face and you are trying to effect a change in your life, you may respond in a manner that comes almost natural to you, right? Like punch someone's lights out maybe. I'm not trying to excuse Mundo's decision to have Bob hit ... no excuse there. Just trying to understand myself.
Since he was released from custody in 1982, his criminal activity (to my knowledge) has completely ceased. He's had 24 years of "clean time" as they say in prison.
I hope this sheds a little light into some of the chronological stuff that took place and if not, then your quest will continue, Senor Quixote.
I wish you the best and good night.
Peace ......
Tijuana Jailer
It takes inside info. Whether it's about middle-eastern terrorists or home grown organized crime.
The bottom line is, it's the nature of the beast. There are so many "down" "hardcore" "OG" "stone cold killers" or however you choose to term them that have turned it would make your head spin.
Gangsterism is a young mans game.
When you get older and there are young gunsals coming up and wanting to take the reins and a bigger slice of the pie, ergo the shit begins. The old guys realize they are past their prime and have gained their postions of honor and respect only to have to look over their shoulders because they are going to be targeted by the new generation. Look at Topo and Tupi.
Castellano and Gotti. There are always wars and infighting and
"politicing". I simply believe when most of these rats get older they want to get out. Some have that option, but only the smooth operators can pull it off without having to look over their shoulder. TILL DEATH...REMEMBER?
The rest of them that want out are in a very tough position. Since they can't just "retire" they turn
in order to get leeway in any crimes they will be implicated in.
Then the government uses their info. and foots the bill for the WPP.
It's a simple quid pro quo arrangement.
That's the way it seems to me.
Just my take on it.
You're absolutley correct! He could have ridden off into the sunset and "gracefully retired" and no one would have gone a-huntin' for him. He had surely put in his work.
The M has members who rank higher than others, and to rank high you have to overcome the will of others to lead instead of you. somebody mundo disciplined injustly would have came for him.
he had to snitch to get into the witness protection program and a new life, otherwise he would have had to look over his shoulder for life.
"He had to snitch to get into the witness protection program and a new life, otherwise he would have to look over his shoulder for life"
Or another way to look at his decision would be.
He had to snitch to get into the witness program and a new life, otherwise, "he would be riding the whole beef himself, especially if thru the "Chicano Daily News" the word gets to you that your crime partner is thinking about cutting a deal (Sailor Boy),and you have to consider sucking it up and getting the "big bitch" or the "Gas" or to get in the race to see who can cut the deal first!"
Just a different scenario possibility
"Just a different scenario possibility"
i like your theory/scenario better than mine. its even more logical.
Ok, its all good every man has his reasons, but the shit still smells the same in the end, que no. And as far as knowing about certain satistics[and not whats put out there by le, pr]I have a couple of close relatives on the job and belive me and i'm sure you know i hear a lot. So in the end as you say i'll belive whats my right to belive.
have a good day.....
You have the right to believe - and to remain silent.. If you give up that right - you shit on your carnales - but you get a new life - and maybe, if there's a God in Heaven, somebody recognizes you and true JUSTICE gets served..
["he would be riding the whole beef himself, especially if thru the "Chicano Daily News" the word gets to you that your crime partner is thinking about cutting a deal (Sailor Boy),and you have to consider sucking it up and getting the "big bitch" or the "Gas" or to get in the race to see who can cut the deal first!"
Just a different scenario possibility]
And you, my dear friend DQ, should consider writing soap operas for the "Chicano One Vida to Live".
First of all, Mundo turned BEFORE Sailor. B-E-F-O-R-E. Read it again: BEFORE; prior to, antes, and a few months prior to Sailor being arrested in El Monte.
Why would you wish to "create" scenarios that are not accurate, Don Q? If you wish to advance fairy tales, then I can't stop you. It's a free country and "freedom of speech" flows unimpeded on this blog and everywhere else. As I state this I somehow do not beilieve that this is your intent.
When Mundo rolled, he specifically indicated to us that he would assist us against everyone in the EME except Sailor and Chavo Perez. Why? Because he had been engaged at one time to Sailor's sister, was especially close to Sailor, and was very close to Chavo and his family.
Hell, we didn't care what his motives were (once again, we had our own agenda and that was to make cases vs. childhood heroes such as Robot and Alfie).
Just prior to Mundo's release on parole from Kern County, Armando "Mandi" Varela provided us with info which we used to secure search warrants vs. several EME members. We took them down, including Sailor Boy. Sailor then followed Mandi in "rolling" against (you guessed it) everyone in the EME except Mundo.
Conspiracy? The EME swears it was. If it was, that would have made a very juicy book for the likes of Mundo and/or Sailor or some other retired cop who would have enjoyed "revealing" such a tale .... "The Tales of Don Quixote and Tijuana Jailer" would have been a great title for you novela aficionados.
We never told Sailor that Mundo had already rolled and was working with us; we never told Mundo that the carnal he was picking up at the LAPD Glass House was also working with us. To do so would have compromised the integrity of the information we were receiving and could have potentially endangered one of their lives.
Yes, Samantha, BOTH Mundo and Sailor were working simultaneously for us and neither knew about it at this point in March of 1977!
When Alfie contacted Mundo and invited him to visit Alfie in T.J., Mundo invited Sailor to accompany him (this would have been normal m.o.for Mundo) and Alfie enthusiastically approved. Upon completing this call, Mundo called Sailor, Sailor accepted the invite to go with him to T.J. and each immediately called us at our headquarters to notify us of what was to occur.
We advised Mundo (and Sailor)- in separate telephone conversations of course - to ascertain Alfie's precise location and "someone" would contact them on their return to the U.S.
When this in fact took place, we waited a few days and Alfie was apprehended by our south-of-the border law enforcement compadres.
Meanwhile, Sailor was becoming jittery and was asking us to take him and his family on the Program. There was red tape to satisfy and because there was no "immediate threat" (the Feds conduct their own threat assessment) to Sailor, we utilized him one last time to make a tape recording vs. Mike Delia in Mike's motorhome. Sailor was wired and, once we successfully obtained the info we needed to arrest Mike, Sailor was "stashed" along with his family awaiting the U.S. Marshals taking them over.
Meanwhile, a meeting was arranged with Mundo. He was shown a copy of a cash voucher (similar to vouchers Mundo himself had signed when we "dispersed" cash in exchange for ongoing information). When he saw and recognized Sailor's signature, he looked at his "handlers" and smiled. His fist slammed on the headrest of the car and he yelled, "yes"! Does this sound like a man who was "concerned" about another dropout "getting off first"? You are wayyy off base with that theory, Mister Q.
He was ecstatic to learn that Sailor had opted out of the EME family. He was relieved for his buddy of umpteen years and homie from VNE.
To keep our "friendly" (Mundo) happy, we even arranged a meeting with him and Sailor (supervised by the Feds) which was more awkward for us than it was for them. They exchanged a few pleasantries in Spanish (to which the Fed guys objected) and they hugged each other (and, yup, the Feds almost came unglued).
Don Q, I hear you when you suggest certain things, and for the life of me I don't know where you obtain all these wild stories but you don't strike me as an agenda driven person. You seem to be curious, nay hungry, for this type of information.
There are many things that you will NOT hear from me or others who occasionally log onto this site because we would not wish to embarrass certain people in our community of friends.
Revealing names is no big deal since it's all a matter of public record and no one can be hurt anymore since it's all historical.
Maybe the Chicano Daily News editorial staff is spending too much time taking their lunch breaks at the Santa Fe Winery!
May I offer you a subscription to the Tijuana Times? You might find some insightful reporting.
Con Mucho Respecto,
Peace to you .........
Tijuana Jailer
........he had to snitch to get into the witness protection program and a new life, otherwise he would have had to look over his shoulder for life........
Hey, I have another "theory". TJ Jalapeno and Don Quiznos aided and abetted in Mundo's "debriefing" and they are putting up a smoke screen.
I think Mundo and DQ are old time comrades from way back and they rendzevous once a year in the Rockies, along with TJ for a skiing vacation. They drink wine, exchange war stories, lie to each other and then DQ and TJ "sell us" this line of bs on a blog owned by another ex-Mafioso, "Wally the Weasle", former getaway car driver for the Mob.
Hmmmmm, I'm getting a book going on these guys.
Raising Cain
I think they played LE and made the decision to Drop Out together.
......I think they played LE and made the decision to Drop Out together......
Bingo! That's what I believe too.
For the movie I'm liking Reuben Blades for Don Quixote. Benicio Del Toro for Mundo, Jimmie Smits for Tijuana Jailer, and George Clooney for Wally the Weasel.
Recast Cheech Marin in the role of Don Q. Cheech has that ability to emote that certain vida loca that underlies don Q's character. Yeah that'll work . Make some calls..
naw, use that indian vato with the guadalupe tat on his chest for mundo, cantiflas for wally, el chavo del ocho for Tijuas Jailer, and cepellin for don q.
hell, we didn't care what his motives were [once again, we had our own agenda and that was to make cases vs childhood heros such as Robot and Alfie].
Damn how turly refreshing to hear the shit correct! I don't always agree with what 1, 2 or 3!! of our regular posters say all the time and many times we clash, But right on the shit finally came out right.
And the casting for the mono sounds pertty good to me.
Hey Tijuanero, no te aguite's, I'm kind of stunned at your reaction.
And for you to say ("Hell we didn't care what his motives were, once again, we had our own agenda and that was to make the case vs. childhood hero's such as Robot and Alfie."
What?? was that supposed to be directed at me? Come on Tijuas your a big boy, lets keep this on a mature level huh.
Your helping produce a narrative in conjunction with a person (Mundo) that has been a self admitted, certified, "hitman" responsible for 30 odd murders at least and a former member of one of the most murderous and treacherous crime groups in US history.
Incredibly he has a religious epiphany helped along by some nebulous street christians, who are never expounded upon or explained to anyones satisfaction. He then, miracle of miracles decides to pay off his debt to society by informing on his compatriots. All this coincidentaly while he and another old time homeboy are in the Kern County Jail for a double murder with a possible witness ( the young woman who somehow they let live being the humanitarians they were).Then having been born again and under the influence of Jesus Christ, Mundo, and while working for the "good guys" sets up a cold blooded murder and even takes his younger brother along, for the experience I suppose.
And you vehemently chastise me as a creator of "fairy tales" when I bring up the possible scenario of Mundo worrying about his co conspirator in the brutal murders and wanting to cut a deal before the ax fell.
Shit Tijuas you know that kind of situation happens on a daily basis. "Getting to the Post" first due to the threat by LE that a partner is ready to rat and your going to ride the beef alone, is so fucking old it's a cliche by now!
So what's up with this hostility? If I recall it was you who asked people on this blog to review and comment que no?
Then when a certain amount of justified skepticism is voiced by me, due to the fractured nature of Mundo's rationale for "rolling over" your reaction is "over the top".
And I won't even go to the place where old cynical "Chicano Types" would, "mira ese, this guys reaction is too extreme, there must be some truth there!" No I'll take the high ground, and just for the record, say that I have encouraged you and your endeavor with the book consistantly except that I have critiqued sections of the narrative that need more fine tuning by you and Mundo ( and maybe posed some scenarios that would possibly assail his total honesty and professed innocence in non crime murders),if your going to be succesful. You should know that if the story is published as a book, and the editors don't immediately pounce on this section,(which is highly improbable), the reading public will tear you guys a new asshole over Mundo's vague rebirth!
I had, and still hope, that you could use my and other bloggers opinions and criticisms in a contructive manner to firm up the story, as it's a good one that could be great if reworked a little. And where could you find a better bunch of assistants than on this blog consisting of gangsters, cops,writers?
So Tijuas, again many props to you on your effort but maybe you might want to join me in some "vaso's de vino" ( remember the old adage "en vino veritas!") it's good for the heart and soul. But just another slight bit of advice, from an old veterano like me, You might want to revisit your "Kaiser Permanente" health provider to get your blood pressure checked and or your meds reviewed? Don't fuck around with your health! And I really look forward to you making a fortune on the book and are able to move out of "Canyon Country" or "Simi Valley" and get yourself up to "Idaho" where all the retired "judas" are enjoying life!
Con ganas Ranas!
PS: WTF Gava Joe!(Cheech Marin,pinche guey!) and you other malcriados!
Shit if theres going to be anyone portraying me in a movie,anybody who knows me could tell you that the only actor in the Biz who could do me justice is "Johnny Depp", Putos!!
Don "Q":
Thanks for the input and it is indeed well taken. Didn't mean to sound too harsh. My mini-vacation is over and, as you can tell, I was probably bored. It's easy to get "hooked" on these computers.
Idaho is too remote for me, thank you. Go easy on the vino and I'll be back, as Mr. Swarzenneger would say.
Peace ...........
Tijuana Jailer
Riding a beef by yourself and getting all day or the needle would
be a natural reason to turn. When
you've got alot, you've got alot to
lose. That's why I threw the idea out there about attaining their
positions of rank, or "honor and
respect". The guys that make it up the ranks have money flowing to them from many various sources and
if not locked up, are able to live the good life on the calles.
If they are locked up, their families and close ones are able to
benefit from their rank.
So, they aren't dirt poor. Now, here's the million dollar question:
"Are you willing to keep putting in
heavy work and risk going back for all day and give up the life you've become accustomed to. At the same time you will have to look over your shoulder at all times for those in your own organization that wish to take your place".
If one answers that question with
"yes, I'm willing to do that" then he stays involved and takes the risk of getting caught up in RICO
beefs or murder beefs.
If one answers that question with"
"I'm old, tired, and don't want to risk going back for all day on a new beef, and shit, I'm afraid of catching a beef for the work I did that LE doesn't even know about or can't put on me yet. I can't retire because I will be suspected of being a rata and put in the hat.
THERE is a man in a no win situation that will just as easily turn as not.
Damn, DQ...Take it easy on Tijuas, hombre! He wasn't even that hard on you. C-a-l-m-a-t-e, por favor.
~~~"I'm old, tired, and don't want to risk going back for all day on a new beef, and shit, I'm afraid of catching a beef for the work I did that LE doesn't even know about or can't put on me yet.~~~
You are probably more right on than some of our other posters. First, you have Don Quixote, the wily one who pretends to be an ex vato loco. Then, we have Tijuana Jailor, who finds himself defending a bad guy. Oops, former bad guy.
As "role players", Don Quiznos plays the role of devil's advocate, first jumping on the Mundo bandwagon, then (goodness no, mea culpa) I'm supposed to be defending the bad guy's position, he relents and proceeds to "critique" the Book for the purpose of "assisting" T/Jalapeno in his joint literary endeavors (according to Quiznos) in a work that is supposed to be authored "solely" by Mundo (according to Jalapeno).
I think "both" of you characters should be nominated for the Wally the Weasel Cagada de Toro Trophy.
Jalapeno, you definitely come across as one toooo personally involved with this Mundo dude. Shouldn't it suffice to say: Read the damn book?!! Or do you really believe that you are going to satisfy the skeptics on this blog, most of who hate Mundo's guts for one reason or another? For those who believe, no explanation is necessary; for those who do not, no explanation will suffice.
Bottom line: you fed into Quizno's version of "stirring the pot". He claimed to have all these scenes of your boy blowing up churches and bridges and claiming innocent lives but offered nothing understandable (babbling).
And you fell for the bait. Quiznos is laughing at this exchange which produced nothing. Just about everything you said (of substance) is probably in Mundo's book, correct?
With all that said, it was fun listening to you guys cackle. I'm still pulling the feathers out of my mouth. I hope the rest of the board was entertained.
Raising Cain
so where can a person pick up this book that everyone seems so excited about?
Thanks for the vote of confidence Raising. One thing I left out,
and it was very important. I believe they also tell themselves: Since I can't just retire, I gotta go on the run. I might as well let the feds pay for it".
Now we the taxpayers end up footing the bill for these guys in the WPP.
Very keen observations on Don Quizote and TJ Jailer.
Hey Tijuas! HEY TIJUANERO!!!!
see the blog above, huh?
"So where can a person pick up this book that everyone seems so exited about?"
Yea! thats what I been talking about! and don't give me anymore of that "the integrity of the history bullshit, baby!
It's elementary my dear Watson!
"Marketing 101", "Controversy = Publicity = Big time Lana!"
How do you think I managed the career comeback of that no talent "psycho turkey Mariah Carey", huh?
Yea baby, Publicity, and any publicity is good publicity, I don't care if you run over the fucking girl scout selling cookies while your on crack! Say it Loud! Publicity!!
Now get out of the sack, throw that fucking "Viagra" away, put that nymphomaniac "Sancha" on ice for a while and let's get to work.
you know strike the iron while it's hot! And tell that sociopath buddy of yours "Ken Whitley" to send me some feria, de voladas! Shit I survive on those "commission checks"
ANd don't give me that old "the checks in the mail shit"
You and I know that's one of the "three biggest lies" Yeah, "the checks in the mail",
"I promise if you let me stick it just a little I'll pull it right back out", and "I promise I won't come in your mouth!" "Matso Balls!!
So get me my check I'm tired of this LA diet of rice and beans! I've got to get back to "Martha's Vineyard" on Cape Cod cause that other fucking VNE mercenary, your other prodigy "Chuco Castro" is jealous and now he wants to write a book!
And oh yea, he sends his regards to Mundo but is anxious to get geared up for this weeks "Newport Regatta". Fuck you take a homeboy out of the varrio, dress him up, teach him some manners and the first thing you know he's scamming the east coast "High Bramman" , and banging all the Ivy league leg at the "Cotillion Ball"
Ok Tijuas, Let's get back to work and make some real Lana.
OPPS!!, Oh shit, did I send this e mail to "In the hat" by mistake!! Godammn it Tijuas can't get your own dedicated E mail line instead of using Wally's ??
Oh well like I said "any publicity is better than no publicity. Que No Paisano??
CALL THE PARAMEDICS!!
DON SEROTE HAS FLIPPED!!
Come on T/Jailer. Let Don Quixote have his way. We don't need no Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde personalities on board. Tell him you love him.
Looks like we're all on extended lunch breaks. 350 Comments!! Good stuff until these bozos got into their cat fight. Looks like both of you should take it to the Old Folks home parking lot. Settle it like two good ole boys.
Bull Shit Trophy: I like that one.
I thought I smelled "filthy lana" floating over the Rockies into the Central Time Zone.Toda el dia I'm toiling at my honest job wondering why I contributed $22. to buy the "rata" cd? Then it occurs to me that BOTH these fuggerz are out on Wally's blog hawking that shit. They play it like they're in this adversarial position but bottom line they're shlepping the story
sure as they're "slangin" dope on the corner. OK maybe it is a kind of contest, but its as if maybe El Mundo hisself is sippin his pina colonic on the beach in Cancun, reading this blog off his Sony Vaio laptop with the wi-fi and making decisions as to just who he wants to co-author his story. Will it be the homey that shared the life but o so cautiously "forgives" him his transgression? That vato could lend the "calle" lean to his story, gritty, down w/the game..
Or shall he go with the copper? The man was there,watched the whole phenomenon, saw him piss on hisself. Even including that warm instance where he "hugged" Sailor and showed his camarada,love for his carnal? The man can construct a sentence, has good meter, and displays that unbridled pomposity of a self-righteous copper.
But the copper never compared his rough work to Shakespeare! Orale, gots to go with the homey..No, Ca'nt with the feds and that Whitley gavacho has got him by the balls. All they got to do is drop a dime and his beach drink days are over. Vato better adjourn to the cabana and do some serious praying for some answers. Maybe burn a lil more of that brown chiva the Feds bring up from Sinaloa for some clarity..
Yo Mundoggie! When you get off your nod gimme a call. I'm at 555-5555, we'll talk over that movie deal.
////sippin his pina colonic on the beach in Cancun,///
Cancun sounds great to me. Probably a better alternative to breathing the pesticides in the San Joaquin Valley, don't you think?
Hey Mundo, when you get bored with
the WPP, go visit Sammy Gravano.
He can hook you up with a few little whatnots for some walking
around money.
Geez, looks like we're ALL a bunch
of smartass wanna be comics.
You missed the last episode of Oprah .... Mundo the Rodent and Sammy the Bull were "telling it all"!!
For the record. IF Mundo's book has some things left out or some just plain bullshit in it, he isn't the first one to go that route.
If you want to read some REAL TAP
DANCING read Gravano's book.
He says alot of things that are contradicted by several different
sources (made guys, associates, and LE).
And imagine this, all the shit he takes "artistic license" on are the things that would make him look like an asshole.
Example: "I didn't kill Debra's brother, but I feel responsible for it because I knew it was going to happen and didn't do anything to stop it". PURO PEDO.
He clipped him.
So, it seems that this is what these guys do. They don't mind being known as stone cold killers,
but they don't want to be thought of as assholes.
There is a difference in their world.
BOTH you potential entrepeneurs! You see what's been wrought? No cacada here, the public makes light of what's maybe the most moving cultural tale of its time?
But then I have to hanker back to Nicky Cruz' "Cross and the Switchblade". That was a tale of a transformed 50's NY gangster turned preacher. It was presented to me in the county a thousand yrs ago by an evangelist who thought maybe it'd do some good. Chale....
All serious - downplay the conversion. God's not making His numbers today. Think about a segue, maybe El Mundoggie drank from a tainted fountain in the Kern Co. Jail pesticides or something, and had some sort of "false epiphany"?? It's all a mistake.. He recants his testimony and everybody walks on reversals?? What do ya think? Hell, it might cut into your residuals but its a gaffe... Que no?
Fuck'en far out! all the posts from Raising Cain on down [and Cain you hit it good] hit the shit right on the fuck'en nailhead!
Sabes que these two vatos are doing nothing but druming up bizz for the cd now you know thier into the pockets here. And the comment about Mundo and Salior being in on the turning shit, yeah huh!! I can't belive no one got that shit before now. But hey I'm digg'in the fact that at least some of us arn't fooled by you know who,
mr. 1 and mr. 2 So cool shit tonite and hope more is to follow.
A happy poster.
Sanganabichi, hijos de la gran puta!
I don't know about you wanabees, shit I'm trying to bring a little bit of "levity" into play after all the blood, guts, name calling, and emotional mierda, all for the sake of trying to help out our internet camarada "Tijuanero" put together a great journal of a very serious nature, and if anyone wishes him anything but the best, well "tu abuela me la pela", so come on you culero's try and stay with it,shit it's humor and it seems the only one who can hang is another old veterano ex pinto "Gava Joe" and a couple others, the rest of you "Sangrones" al diablo puto's.
Hey by the way "Gava Joe" how's that movie deal coming along? Shit I know we can all get over if we can convince "Johnny Depp" that his portrayal of me in Tijuanero's and Mundo's book, and my adaptation and screenplay would make him an Oscar Certainty!!
Hey, have your girl call my girl, let's do lunch! Shalom baby!!
Fuck DQ, ese baby hold your chonies buddy, like you say its all in fun ese, or could it be when the tail gets pin on you, you start hating the other donkey? Com'on ese why you looking to that Gava Joe guy is he one of you now. Because it seems as though you guys are running a members only club. Whats funny to you guys or what you guys deem insightful is good but what ruffles your feathers a little gets you're jock all bent out of shape and stuck to the crack of your ass ese. Hey if you gays opps i mean you guys want to talk and drink red wine while you conversate, why don't you discuss brokeback mountain you know ese. Anyways i'm just kidding tu sabes.
WTF? How come I get labeled a nymphomaniac? And hey, you say that like it's a bad thing...
Hey Don Q - You do'nt get good menudo if you do'nt stir the pot. A little masa helps the mole'..It's all good..I've been burning up that overseas phone line trying to nail down a commit from Johnny D. seems he's a little adamant since "Donnie Brasco" that he not get typecast. Then there's that E.J. Olmos hassle, etc. I told him he maybe needs to "harden the image some" since that Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, but it's been a hard sell all around..There IS that Brokeback Mountain success of late. You might want to consider lightening up your character some. I know you got that machismo,"cigar" image goin on but Yo, maybe we can lighten Don Q up some in the huaraches, and go with ohhh Robin Williams maybe(think the Bird Cage) Lemme know your thoughts? Maybe instead of the brass cojones we can go aluminum? Oh and on the Q.T.: Sancha called ranting about how you gave her some crabs, scabies or something, and yeah I'm booked through the wk but call my girl we'll definately do lunch. Be Well, mi amigo, Ciao.........
Brokeback Mountain mi nalgas!!!!!
Any vaquero (not Charro's, they're wanna bes) knows that it's just like a couple of SHEEPHERDERS to be
jotos with each other when they've
got all those nice sheep standing around ready for the taking.
what happened wally??a big fuck you.....does anyone know of any other sites on prison gangs and whats up? i have/had a friend who got greenlighted by the ab i think, he was NLR, eric january..... anyway whats up with pen1,nLr,the brand, what happened with the FTB,with foot etc. i been outta the loop but i wanna know,thanks
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Does anyone know of theres a big gap between the eme and the nf regarding debrifing [rats] person? which one holds the record for for the most? fuck in LA vne must hold that distingtion huh. whatever happened to that power struggle in the LA county? and how old would mundo be right now, also robot alfie and any others you may know about.
whatever happened to that power struggle in the LA county? and how old would mundo be right now, also robot alfie and any others you may know about.
Don't tell me.
Let me guess ..... your writing a book too???!!!
Hey Sancha, it's all good lady. Sorry about the Nympho comment, just trying to help the cause with Tijuanero and his book.
Hey It must be frustrating for an orgasmic woman looking for an orgasmic man huh? Shit half the vatos are married, and it seems like most of rest are looking for a brokeback mtn cowboy, you know "steers and queers'" .
Gava Joe, you get robin williams and it's in the hat for you!
Hey does anyone out htere care anymore about good ol' info,
whats the shit on the eme and nf, are the nf pecetas creating a new tip? will the eme have a counter part to this or are all the pecetas combining to from the gang?
and please get these two battling fools off already, shit how much masa must we take before these two clowns are exposed for what they really are. hey you two go down to the comdey store and try your old worn out shit there.
You mean Heckle and Jeckle? Probably two retired cdc correctional officers. Sounds like their mentality.
~~how old would mundo be right now, also robot alfie and any others you may know about.~~
Robot would be 61 (4-6-44); he is now deceased.
Alfie is 62-63ish and in pelican bay.
Mundo is 56 or 57 and residing in Anytown, USA.
NF and EME pecetas will co-exist as bosom buddies and no "new tip" will be taken seriously by the main convict population. why? because "snitches and bitches" are looked upon the same way in the pinta. you must remember that in order to pc in cdc, you have to give up something to get there. How then can a snitch be taken seriously .... like Maravilla pecetas. They lock up in L.A. county when they could easily deny being maravilla ---"maravillosos", as they like to call themselves -- and confront their enemy. Nobody takes them seriously ..... nobody except themselves.
A new "tip" ..... I don't think so.
East L.A. Boy
I read that the nf is now being called the blooming flower by le in san fran because of their growing numbers is this ture ture?
And chuco and all the others from vne who have turned rat are they all housed together?
hey and what are thay feeding them in vne to have so many rats.
And chuco and all the others from vne who have turned rat are they all housed together?
They are all on an island writing books and sipping pina coladas.
"Two clowns, heckle and jekle." Wha,
bring them back. you two crybaby bitches adding some masa? No, then shut the fuck up llorones, you fools are like the asshole who wants to get a case of beer and then splits when the bill comes, but is first in line for a cold one.
NUESTRA FAMILIA STILL IN BUSINESS
Leaders' prison transfers shift, confuse balance of power among feared gang's street operators
By JULIA REYNOLDS and GEORGE SANCHEZ
Herald Staff Writers
The transfer of five Nuestra Familia generals and captains to federal prison last month caused a dramatic shift in the gang's leadership, but police say little has changed on Monterey County streets.
The shift at the top hasn't stopped the "organized work of the Nuestra Familia" in the area, said Salinas police Lt. Manny Perrien.
"The people on the streets, the soldiers, are still taking care of business," he said.
The gang continues to have a role in organized robberies and the drug trade, controlling heroin sales in areas such as Chinatown in Salinas.
"Those things are pretty firm regardless of the top. Whether the general is in Colorado or Northern California, the day-to-day operation is still happening," Perrien said.
But at higher levels, there is evidence of strife as the gang splits into two divisions -- state and federal.
The transfer of the leaders, said Devan Hawkes, a gang investigator at Pelican Bay prison, has already sown confusion among Nuestra Familia members. New California leadership has emerged at the prison, but Hawkes said members on the streets are unsure whether they should take orders from the old leaders in federal custody or a new general in Pelican Bay. Leadership "conflicts" have developed in Salinas, San Jose and San Francisco.
The following link provides the rest of the article if anyone is interested.
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/mo...yherald_new s
who's the new mesa/general in pbay?
yo, masa bitch. Go play pin the donkey with hoto joe and stop bothering the men. we have bitness to discuss on the board.
"Two clowns, heckle and jekle." Wha,
bring them back. you two crybaby bitches adding some masa? No, then shut the fuck up llorones, you fools are like the asshole who wants to get a case of beer and then splits when the bill comes, but is first in line for a cold one.
I'm with you. Take your beer and your masa to the old folks home, rub both elements in your chest, and don't emerge until spoken to.
Leave the men alone to discuss our business. Go play hearts on MSN.
wants to get a case of beer and then splits when the bill comes, but is first in line for a cold one.
sounds like them ex-cdc Cheech and Chong mother fuckers again. Cheech is the one who sucks on Robot's dick and Chong is the farmero who even talks like a pig.
And what happened to the master pig Rosarito Jail Bird who has his head up Mundo's ass?
You pigs done playing games? Or do you still want to pretend to be "vato locos" and "know it alls"?
you ain't foolin' nobody, you former ssu turned private masa maker.
Ai mijo did they hurt your feelins
let mommy take her kneepads off and get out of the alley so I can gib you a nice lavativa con leche you now mijo a enema, you so baddd!
Question: Which one of the many commentors is going to take the iniative and do an audio version of this blog. It could sell, don't you all think? Like Jeff Foxworthy does the "Redneck" comedy show this could be the Wally's "Brown Masa" Show.
It would probably take 4 CD's to hold all this "info".
The Big Homies would get a charge
out of it, I think.
I've read some excerpts to a couple of "friends" I know, and they are laughing out loud. Wondering if we have anything better to do with our "free" time.
Peace bros!
Wally knew there'd be days like this. The inmates seem to have a way of running the asylum when Wally takes extended leaves.
Like the late Lakers commentator Chick Hearn used to say: No blood, no foul. It's all good in the neighborhood!
No one said this had to be serious interaction. Don Quix and T/Jailer started this mess but they are entitled to their input.
Hey that was great info on the nf, and to say that thier leadership is split sounds like there might be a huge breakup within. But any organision is always really run by the foot soldiers. But what about the EME has it gone the way of th nf leadership wise?
Oh and hey has'nt all this good ol' info about the major gangs get down better than reading what harpo and marko have to say about that fuck'en book, simon que no.
Even though i see there are still one or two defenders of old.
Hey that was great info on the nf, and to say that thier leadership is split sounds like there might be a huge breakup within. But any organision is always really run by the foot soldiers. But what about the EME has it gone the way of th nf leadership wise?
O Yeah - let's have the organism run by individuals w/o leadership or a mero shot caller. That'll work.
And where's it say in that info that the NF leadership has been broke up? I read that they're all off in Florence bloomin like the 5o yr olds that they are and free to run the show how they want.
You got all this hostility to these old timerz, but you do'nt realize that you ca'nt move well into the future if you do'nt know where you been.. Just a thought - you asked............
What hostility? Hey i'm just look'n for some cool info on the prison shit whats wrong with that?
Seems by you're post your the hostile one. Hey estoy corientdo con la onda es todo ese, so rest your neck and don't take it to heart partner, as it was said in Pachuco, "it only a play" I say to you "Ese it's only a blog" ese.
So to contuine can someone tell me about the eme's jucie in the fed?
So to contuine can someone tell me about the eme's jucie in the fed?
8:50 AM
for that info you have to subscribe the Chicano Daily News or the Tijuana Times
~~~Hey estoy corientdo con la onda es todo ese, so rest your neck and don't take it to heart partner, as it was said in Pachuco, "it only a play" I say to you "Ese it's only a blog" ese.~~~
Chingado! No me digas .... another pinchi drugstore Chicano blogger! Must be (let me guess - con los ojos cerrados) from a farming community. Horale, give the vato a prize.
Farmers are still in the middle of the twentieth century trying to learn Calo. You don't learn that shit, compa, you live it. Meanwhile, back on the tomato farm.
East L.A. Boy
EME's number one guy in the feds is Champ from Big Hazard. He's been there since 1977 and is doing "all day".
Hey you internet gangsters, with all the back and forth, and emotional Caldo de mitote, I forgot to mention that at X-mas I visited some old friends in Tijuana and Playas de Tijuana and was shocked at how many homeboys and sureno vato locos I saw.
Where in years past the paisa's there looked just like the rest of the Mexicano's in Mexico,now in Tijuas you might think you were in LA. They all tatted down, got the walk and attitude, almost more blue LA Dodger hats than at Dodger Stadium!
And all the placasos everywhere
F-13, 18 sur 13, CVL13, etc; etc;
I visit other border towns on business often, Juarez, Palomas, Nogales, and don't see anything like the Sureno influence in TJ, Curious.
ANd I was talking some friends there and they tell me that theres a greenlight on the MS and other centroamericanos like in LA.
THe world is really becoming a small place!
I read that they're all off in Florence bloomin like the 5o yr olds that they are and free to run the show how they want.
The prison guards are in a catch 22
because they can't have EME and NF on the same mainline because of what they'll do to each other.
on the other side of the coin when they separate them each side gets stronger because they sit in the SHU's and pick their teeth and give orders. how about good ole lobotomy therapy for these hardcore
prison gang members.
or how about letting them out together (like at Cochrane) and let the chips fall where they may (I know, wishful thinking).
Hey you internet gangsters, with all the back and forth, and emotional Caldo de mitote
Orale, Don Quijadas .....
you are definitely right about the vatos in Tijuas. Not only is Baja full of these Dodger blue vatos but how about all the fugitives hiding out there????? i swear you go to the Bufadora and half the vendors are wanted in L.A.
tambien ever other vendor in TJ has a story about having a "past" in L.A. -- there way of saying they have warrants for their culos.
i'm thinking .... how come there not san digo padres fans and their all down with the blue shit. you know that sign at Dodger Stadium THINK BLUE, well don't be surprised to see that sign smuggled south of the border!
Speaking of Tijuas, you and TJ really shouldn't argue. you two make a good couple.
East L.A. Boy
East LA Boy, Drugstore Chicano.
Boy, [and i mean that in it's most litiral form] Sabes que you know nothing about me or my origin, so maintain your lose lip masa to a minmum ok, do us all a favor ese.
You're nothing more then your what your last comment discribes [a drugstore chicano] So if you can't get with it, fuck it ride your post down the lina vato aqui no ay espacio pa tu caca ok elaboy.I truly apologise to all you posters who have to read this kind of shit between two other bloggers and if i may, can anyone give any info as to the tati murder.
Welcome aboard, East L.A. boy. We're believing that Wally (the Main Homie of this web site) will be refreshing In The Hat with a new topic any day now. He's been gone for about a month now. We hope the real Homies didn't get to him.
LOL .... That one lady (Mrs. Apache?) was right, we should make an audio comedy tape out of these posts. Maybe that Mencia character could do something with this??
Great Blog. I'm enjoying it thoroughly.
SO WHAT EXACTLY DOES ALL THIS MASA HAVE TO DO WITH THE SMOG IN L.A.?
So did anyone notice that the 400th comment on this blog was about the fuckin smog? Incidently you aint bloggers. Wally the Absent is the blogger! You're just commenters - piss- poor ones to boot.. That kind of like makes you parasites feeding off the host. Living your little lives through a more evolved organism... Selah..
makes you parasites feeding off the host.
You forgot to mention that you are included in the above comment. "us" parasites feeding off the host. ;-)
No don't give shit to that Mencia "medio joto" he plagarizes every chicano as it is, and is a disgrace to all latinos, he's the Milton Berle of Latino's
(I use this cause I don't think he's a Chicano?)
never heard a chiste he didn't steal then claim it as his own!
over 400 blogs, a la madre!
And ELA boy don't get mr. anonymus started again please!! This vato will go on forever with babosada's and his complejo's are as long as "las barba's de Methuzela" you'll just end up with a fucking headache. Dejanse in paz!
The whole informant drop a dime to strike a deal system ensures that people tell cops what THEY WANT to hear, not what is true.
I think it is a bullshit system personally. Not only because it is bound to have limited quality results, but also because so many other losers get off just for flipping. Id say, you get caught, you get maximum time. Thats all. No chance to plea.
R2K
to: Don Quixote -
Dont want to say anymore for now other than I never spent 20 bucks and got mor entertainemnt. Spent all day today on the 'book'.. Wont even mention the name so i dont get called a shill for the endeavor. Only to Chap VII- havent even got to "college" - still doin YA Prestone - too cool- makes me glAd I got to miss that part..
Funny Mundo's parents lived a hundred miles from me here in the midlands before they regroupedreturned to MX and he con conceived - later Good read - you and TJ got it rite... Joe
they are showing the hollenbeck story again on cnn
Whatever happen with the lil tigger story? did his dad get involed in anyway or has it been chalked up to street biz.
wheres wally ? come back allready .
hollenbeck on cnn.....
THAT STUPID SHOW ON CNN "HOMOCIDE IN HOLLENBECK" IT SHOWS SOME REAL STORIES,BUT THE WAY THEY PRESENTED IT WAS WRONG!..I FELL BAD ABOUT THE LADY THAT LOST TWO SONS,BUT TO HAVE TWO POLICE OFFICERS (GANG ENFORCEMENT UNIT)COME ON THE PROGRAM AND TRY TO PUT FATHER BOYLE DOWN,AND STILL CRUISE AROUND IN EL SERENO LIKE THEY ARE ON THE HUNT FOR GANG BANGERS WAS STUPID!THEY HAD NOTHING!CNN WAS ROLLING WITH THESE TWO OFFICERS FOR DAYS,AND THEY DIDN'T SHOW SHIT!WHEN ONE OFFICER WAS CALLING HIS SUPERVISER,HE REFFERED TO HIM AS DUDE,HE SAID "DUDE THERES SO MUCH DOPE IN THE CAR IT'S REDICULOUS" WELL THE CHARGES WERE DROPPED FOR THE OWNER OF THAT CAR CAUSE THE SEARCH WAS ILLEGAL,NO ONE WAS IN THE CAR,THE COPS WALKED UP TO THE CAR AND SEARCHED IT WITHOUT MERIT,THEN THAT SAME OFFICER GOT A PROMOTION TO DETECTIVE?THATS THE SAME COP THAT SAID "WHAT AM I SUPPOSE TO DO? BURY MY HEAD IN THE SAND" REFFERING TO A COMPLAINT HE HAD WRITTEN UP AGAINST HIM,NOW IF HE WASN'T ON THE WRONG THEN HE WOULD OF NEVER BEEN WRITTEN UP! RIGHT?
AND THE OTHER OFFICER SAID "IF THEY DONT WANT TO CHANGE,I CANT CHANGE THEM" REFFERING TO GANGMEMBERS AND THEIR LIFETSYLE,
WELL DUH! THATS NOT HIS JOB! AND THEN HE GOES ON TO CLAIM THAT FATHER BOYLE JUST SHELTERS THESE GANGMEMBERS,SHIT ATLEAST FATHER BOYLE IS TRYING TO BETTER SOME OF THESE GANGMEMBERS,WICH IN TURN WOULD MAKE THESE OFFICERS JOB SOMEWHAT EASIER? WHY DO THESE OFFICERS HAVE THE RIGHT TO ACT LIKE INVESTIGATERS,GATHER INFO AND PUT IT IN THAT LAPTOP AT THEIR OWN WILL...LOOK AT THE GANGMEMBERSHIP
THEY HAVE RECORDED,IT IS HIGHLY EXAGGERATED,THE NUMBERS ARE TO HIGH,LOOK IN THE CNN WEBSITE,IT'S WRONG,WHY? CAUSE THESE OFFICERS PUT ANYONE DOWN AS GANGMEMBERS,IN ORDER FOR YOU TO BE PUT AS A GANGMEMBER,YOU MUST BE A SELF ADMITTED GANGMEMBER,NOT UNLESS YOU HAVE IT TATTOO'D ON YOUR BODY,THEN OF COURSE YOUR A GANGMEMBER,ONE GUY I KNOW GOT BUSTED,CAUSE SOMEONE CLAIMED A VARRIO AND DID SOMETHING,AND WHEN THE DETECTIVES SHOWED ALL THE PHOTOS OF THAT GANG,THIS GUY WAS PICKED FROM THE PHOTOS,BUT THERE WAS ONE PROBLEM,THAT GUY THAT WAS PICKED WAS NOT AND IS NOT A GANGMEMBER,AND MOST IMPORTANT HE DID NOT COMMIT THE CRIME,EVERYONE KNOWS IT WASN'T HIM,BUT THE POLICE PUT HIM DOWN AS A GANGMEMBER AND OFFERED THE VICTIMS SOME PHOTOS,AND THE VICTIMS THEMSELVES
HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO PICK HIM CAUSE HE RESEMBLES THE TRUE SUSPECT,AND CAUSE HE WAS ON THAT GANG FILE,AND THE GANG FILE WAS THEIR NAIL IN THE COFFIN,CONVICTED ONLY SOLEY CAUSE HE WAS ON THAT GANG FILE,THESE OFFICERS ARE NOT FROM OUR NECK OF THE WOODS,AND I THINK THEY FORGET OR DO NOT KNOW THAT GANGS HAVE BEEN HERE FOR DECADES,AND WILL REMAIN IN OUR COMMUNITIES,PREVENTION IS THE KEY! WE KNOW IT,FATHER BOYLE DOES IT!,POLITICIANS HAVE TO KNOW IT,BUT THE POLICE,THEY SEEM CLUELESS,PUNKING OUR YOUTH AND OUR COMMUNITY WILL NOT STOP THE GANGS,EVERYONE IS RELATED OR KNOWS ONE ANOTHER,AND WHEN THESE OFFICERS COME IN TREATING EVERYONE LIKE SHIT AND CONSTANT HARRASSMENT
OUR YOUNGER YOUTH START TO STEREOTYPE POLICE AS WELL,THEY LOOK AT THE LAW AS BEING CROOKED,AND IN START TO REBEL AND DO JOIN A GANG,OR LIFE OF CRIME,OR MAYBE NOT EVEN THAT BUT THEY WONT RESPECT THE LAW!WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DAYS WHEN A COP CAR CAME DOWN THE STREET AND THE COPS WERE COOL AND HANDED OUT BASEBALL CARDS,WHEN I WAS YOUNG COPS WERE COOL,EVEN WHEN I WAS GANGBANGING,IF I GOT CAUGHT IT WAS MY OWN FAULT,THEY ARE JUST DOING THEIR JOB,BUT NOW A DAYS IT'S DIFFERENT,YOU SEE THAT COP CAR AND NO ONE HAS RESPECT FOR IT.DUE TO THEIR TACTICS,NOT ALL COPS ARE BAD,THERS PLENTY OF COPS THAT ARE COOL,BUT THE G.E.D.'s NOW THATS A DIFFERENT STORY!
ZOIKS! SCOOBY DOO!!
WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!!!
A punching bag dowstairs I wrote Mr. Anonymous on it, whew, whew and whew. Are you done snot nosing to your poppy, the way you relayed your post to him seems as though you're under his left nut! Then you call me cabrcito and go get me a siez a left hook and blah, blah blah, Shit mutt you're nothing but a cell soldier [and your crew]
Pero sabes que maseta its all good vato, A guy like you needs a place were you can flex your musles without really putting it on the line. I ask for some real life info. something this blog is suppose to be base on and you decide to lay your cell soldier caca on me, Hey fuck it, you think I'm made of sugar or in my years of walking the yards I'm going to get insulted, Huh get real numnuts. Please give me and every other turely interested person[s] in whats going on in the world other then in your garage. By the way is your garage located by Olympic Bl. you know by the mural.
.... without really putting it on the line. I ask for some real life info.
Very intelligent. If you want some "real life info", why don't you get it from the streets that you are supposed to be so plugged into. I see .... another retired dick who likes to fantasize about being a bad boy.
You must be an hononrary member of the Latino Peace Officer's Association. Talk about some wannabe confused individuals. They even talk like Cheech Marin and this is supposed to make them real Chicanos.
..... Hey fuck it, you think I'm made of sugar or in my years of walking the yards I'm going to get insulted,.....
See what I mean? Imitation, like another poster said (the drugstore kind). Yeah, right. Like you can really do something about getting insulted on a blog. Talk about cell soldiering.
Go sign up with Eddie Olmos. He'll give you a real audition, sugar buns. Then you can get a two bit part in a B-Rated movie - maybe.
I think East L.A. Boy AND Don Quixote can slap the bitch out of you, senorita Anonymous.
Since no one asked you about "all your years walking the yards" I think it's fair to assume that your spiel is 1)unsolicited, and 2)your wannabe bullshit is just that - lies.
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