IT CUTS BOTH WAYS.
So now it appears that gang cops have to produce their financial records if they want to stay on that assignment. The officers concerned are indignant because they feel it infringes on privacy rights and frankly makes them feel like the department and the city doesn't really trust them. On top of which, they're only allowed to stay on gang assignments for three years and then rotate out to other assignments. Which in itself is counterproductive because it takes about that long for a gang cop to get to know the players in the division. So just when a gang cop gets good at it, he's gone.
There appears to be a double standard at work here. Without mentioning names, the city has been giving money to less than completely trustworthy gang intervention programs with virtually no oversight. Even after red flags began waving in the wind, these programs were never investigated and oversight was virtually non-existent. And the money kept flowing. It was only when the "questionable" behavior became egregious that investigations were launched. We haven't seen the last of them, by the way.
Partisans on the side of the questionable programs are quick to point out that "one bad apple doesn't spoil the barrel." Fair enough. It isn't fair to tar everyone involved with the same smut brush. But couldn't the same thing be said about bad cops. One Rafael Perez doesn't spoil the entire department. If you're going to cut the questionable programs that kind of slack, the same reasoning, it would appear, could apply to cops.
And in truth, the same reasoning could also apply to our elected and appointed officials. When Mike Hernandez got nailed for dope use, he apologized, kept his job and was re-elected. We didn't see a full throttle investigation into the financial records of all the city's elected officials. Was there a Christopher Commission type of investigation and consent decree to make sure the rest of the city fathers weren't more Mike Hernandez' waiting in the wings?
If you're going to look into gang cops' bank accounts, let's make it fair and look into the bank accounts of all our law enforcement people and all our city and state stewards. After all, isn't it just as likely that a government functionary in charge of public spending be corrupted by sweetheart deals and kickbacks as a working gang cop?
Thursday, March 15, 2007
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1 – 200 of 256 Newer› Newest»You are right. I know alot of dipshits are going to get on this blog and say that this finance idea is great. Think about it. Will it occomplish anything? If a gang cop steals money or dope, will he rush to City Bank to hide the money?
Will they catch the Cop that just took a kilo from a dealer. I doubt it. Monitor police in other ways. Be creative. Come up with a better system, dont just push a lame ass document in front of a bunch of gang cops that know better and expect them to sigh it.
LAPD will find out soon how much gang cops do. They will leave their assignments and blend in where that are appreciated. The City will pay with blood. I think we will see another summer like the one in 2001 where murders occured every night.
I would love to see Ms Rice, Police Commission, and this Judge respond to the crime scenes. Let them talk to the victims familys or prevent retaliations.
Please forget the police and gangs, save the seals and dolpins NOW... or their blood will be on your hands! Stop the insanity.
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And one wonders why the LAPD has trouble finding and retaining recruits.
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If the voters are adults and not mentally incompetent, then the blame for the continuance of the "feel-good" idiocy of the City government rests squarely on their shoulders. The people of the City of Los Angeles deserve the corrupt and incompetent political leadership and politically appointed cronies that they have.
Random surprize on the minute Inspection of all financial records, Properties,Investments,Bank Accounts-ect.of any and all Public elected or Public Serving Individual or Serving Institutions would be fair..That includes the fine People doing the Inspections also..Some findings would probably turn out better than a soap opera..With Love, A Los Angeles Resident..
Really really incompetent, just like the rest of the city, county, and state. We have theives all over the City and County. I know first hand that there is so much corruption that just gets brused under the carpet because the old style of ass licking that goes on with "who knows who, who sleeps with who, who plays golf with who, who is related to who, who plays on a crappy studio city band with who" the list is endless. The majority is not even with the people at the bottom level of operations, they are too busy and short on work hours to worry about this bullcrap like how to steal a whole lot of money. The department heads are always sitting in a $500.00 desk chair trying to figure out how to come across a good write-off to pocket a chunk of tax payer's money.
Look at the City of LA Housing Authority, one crook after another in federal investigations. Managers and Foremen building their homes with property of the City of Los Angeles. Who counts drywall sheets, nails, concrete bags, and plywood? For years, Housing administration heads have been receiving kick backs for manipulating the bidding process on contruction contracts. Did that ever get investigated? Not until it broke the camel's fat back with the amount of money being stolen. Why didn't anyone jump on this quick? Because some soul sister is a related to another soul brother in some other government agency or city contracted firm. All politics
If the Union was smart, it would request that all employees of the City of LA, specically those contracted, to also disclose its financial records. You will have such a protest due to these crooks knowing that detail information will be reveal on how someone is making stupid money figures off the city/county who are all related or bed buddies. You can not target a specific unit or certain people in the place of employment. Its really consider work place discrimination and the Feds should be brought in to oversee these implementation. You have to make all officers, from the top down, even to the jailer disclose financial records. What about LAX PD and the City Council?
In reality, the city of Los Angeles is just going to find out one thing of its police officers dirt. Something that they have been saying to their superiors for years. That they dont get paid enough for the job they do. That they cant buy a nice or live in LA County. That they dont even have enough money to send one kid to a good college. The only coppers that will have a good financial record will be those that the wifey makes real big bucks or an officer that has to resort to a second job.
I bet that a small portion will be in marginal debt or have filed for bankuptcy due to divorces and common errors that a human being will commit. All this bullshit is due to being a good police officer always under stress. Really sad to see the City of Los Angeles just put another nail into a coffin of a police officer. Makes me really pissed to see those new billboards all over the City of LA PD WANTS TO HIRE YOU. They city is making all that bullcrap with serving your city go down a nice porcelin shitter. :(
Our friend philosopher says,
"If the voters are adults and not mentally incompetent, then the blame for the continuance of the "feel-good" idiocy of the City government rests squarely on their shoulders."
Knowledge is described as being a priori if it can be known without empirical evidence. An a priori conclusion can can be achieved via principles of reason and logic alone, starting from a set of general, abstract premises.
The possibility of a priori knowledge is an issue of dispute in philosophy. Mathematics and logic are often referred to in defense of the a priori because, it is argued, they do not rely on observation or experience for validation. Indeed, the necessary truths that emerge from these disiplines can be viewed as being quintessential a priori truths.
If we don't change direction soon, we'll end up where we're going.
Dear Prof. Corey,
You get the credit for single-handedly redeeming the level of discussion we were subjected to last week.
Epistemologically yours,
Wally
Gentlmen...I have no idea what I just wrote...just finishing my noon time tequilita and it sounded good...Mumbo jumbo if you will...waiting for my late afternoon dose of Gomer Pyle USMC on KOCE. Also I am trying to evade my mother in-law, she's somewhere in the house, Yikes- I hear la tortuga comming..
got to go!
End up where we are going... That will occur regardless of an a priori formulation rooted in logic and mathematics or an experience based paradigm. What, on the other hand, is not tautological, is that some voters (as purported adults) continue to do that which has not worked previously. Neither the cold calculus of logic nor the memory of placement of the hand on the fiery stove appeals to these mentally challenged cretins - mentally equivalent to the dwarves of physicallity. They continue to elect spendthrift politicians secondary to banal platitudes such as "it's for the children," "it's a safety issue" or "we clean your toilets." The continual return to office of thieves, rouges and cretins that propose and fund (with the money of others) useless programs with no objective gauge of efficacy or measure of success is based solely upon the voters.
Wally said....
Dear Prof. Corey,
You get the credit for single-handedly redeeming the level of discussion we were subjected to last week.
Epistemologically yours,
Wally
http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Professor_Irwin_Corey/
To Wally,
Professor Corey was also responsibe for much of the sureno/norteno gay posting. That is what professor true colors are.
Professor Straight Arrow
Wally,
I see that only you can post something which would be judged as “cop friendly” and not be quicly insulted. The old Cholos here in Wally’s world seem to view cops as;
1)Worst thugs of Los Angels
2)Ebola virus
3)Boogie man waiting to get them.
4)Abuser of human right of all the innocent cholos of Los Angels.
Or a diabolical mythical figure which prays on Mexicans and Blacks, even though many Mexicans and Blacks are cops.
But I do understand that the short stature cops originally from Texas are especially brutal to impress their taller and stronger Anglo LAPD cohorts in abuse. And the LAPD just loves to quote movie lines such as “King Kong ain’t got nothing on me” after beating an innocent cholo or planting a handgun on the innocent cholos.
Straight Arrow,
Thanks for the alert. Regardless of where he boosted the statements, I'd rather hear that than "three finger waves" and the rest of the drek. If he is the same guy, he's either a conflicted soul yearning to breathe the free air of intelligent discussion or a sick fuck. In either case, I prefer to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and his erudition is always welcome, even if it's lifted. If nothing else, it might send some curious readers to their dictionaries. And that's always a good thing. And look! It prompted someone else to respond in kind. Also a good thing. Let us appreciate victories, however small.
Professor Irwin Corey, you maniac! last time I saw you was on TV when Gypsy Boots kicked your ass and chased you all around the old Steve Allen TV set.
Are youse fucking with us "working class jente? Yet I love the sound of your sentence,
"If we don't change direction soon we'll end up where were going"
Beautiful sound to that sentence and I have been meditating on it for a couple of hours now, and along with our Mero Jefe's reply
"Epistemologically Yours", which sounds so firme, but like the old "Frito Bandido" commercials
"exquisite, yet obnoxious!"
It feels like my head is going to explode.
I tried to research (Websters Dictionary) the word "Epistemologically", being as I am gifted with exstrophy at birth, and curious as always in an addigio of intellectual sanguineness, but I got confused and depressed when confronted with the word "exstipulate" (having no stipules!).
After a couple of hours contemplating my own demise with the cruel "slim jim" weapon I keep in case my "U2 spy plane" crashes, I found the translation of "Epistemology" (the study or theory of the origin , nature ,methods, and limits of knowledge), .
No mi chingas mas, cabrones!
"Subtle yet annoying!".
que putos!
dq
I went to my dictionary and lo and behold found a small packet of indica bud I'd deposited back in mid-90s. To my trepidation discovered it had molded and was no longer a viable conduit.. Alas.
The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars...
Jack Kerouac, On The Road, 1957
I trust Jack would tolerate our inconsistencies and not tar us all with the same smut-brush.
Note to self: check dictionary more often.......
Fun time in Florence.
http://venus.soci.niu.edu/~archives/ABOLISH/
rick-halperin/feb03/0069.html
I have cut the URL for the link in half. Cut and paste baby! Ignoring for the moment the whining piece of shite that wants to abolish the death penalty, here is the story:
Cousins face death penalty--Federal prisoners accused of grisly murder of cellmate
Colorado's only federal death penalty case is a grisly murder in which 2 cousins are accused of eviscerating their cellmate in prison in Florence.
1 cousin allegedly bragged about the killing as a prison official peered into the cell where the body lay.
That account is part of the government's evidence against the 2 Saipanese men accused of killing their Hispanic cellmate in October 1999. Saipan is an island in the U.S.-run Northern Mariana Islands southwest of Hawaii.
Defense and prosecution lawyers are battling over evidence in the case in a hearing expected to last several days next week before Denver U.S. District Judge Wiley Daniel.
William Concepcion Sablan, 37, and Rudy Cabrera Sablan, 42, are charged with murdering Joey Jesus Estrella, 33, by strangling him with a headphone cord, cutting his throat with a contraband plastic razor, opening his abdomen and removing his organs. Estrella bled to death.
The 3 men shared a cell in the "special housing unit" of the federal prison in Florence. Inmates are kept there if they need to be protected from other prisoners or if they have violated prison rules.
Guards saw Estrella dead in the blood-drenched cell at about 3 a.m.
during a regular count of inmates.
They delayed entering the locked cell because they assumed the Sablans had a weapon. They waited for more staff to gather and don protective gear.
Meanwhile, they watched through the window in the cell door and within
minutes began videotaping the Sablans.
The cousins yelled in English and in Chamorro, a language spoken on the island of Saipan.
On Friday, they sat in the courtroom wearing headphones as a Chamorro translator whispered interpretations of the English legal proceedings into a microphone.
Daniel watched the video.
"It probably will be indelibly etched in your mind," one of Rudy Sablan's lawyers, Patrick Burke, warned the judge.
Said Daniel: "If I've got to see it, I've got to see it."
1 cousin or the other sometimes stood at the window to block the camera and the officers' view. The toilet could be heard flushing repeatedly.
That's how the Sablans allegedly got rid of the razor, which appears in the video on the cell floor but was never recovered, and the contents of a mouthwash bottle that could have contained illegally brewed liquor.
William Sablan is seen on the video drinking from the bottle, claiming it contained Estrella's blood. The bottle later disappeared. Defense lawyers want the government punished for not preserving that evidence and for not testing the Sablans for drunkenness - a defense to a murder charge.
After the horrors inside their cell, the Sablans became meek and
cooperative once they were handcuffed. Guards decided they weren't really drunk, partly because the smell of alcohol, which was strong inside the cell, wasn't detectable on the 2 after they were taken away.
William Sablan, despite many shouted warnings from his cousin, repeatedly said he killed Estrella. His lawyers want that statement kept out of court on the grounds it wasn't made voluntarily because he was drunk.
Epistemologically?? Did you make that word up?..Los Angeles Resident..
Wally wrote:
"The officers concerned are indignant because they feel it infringes on privacy rights and frankly makes them feel like the department and the city doesn't really trust them."
That's it.
Every police officer should be required to take a course on U.S. Government, immediately. At some point, I really think they forgot that they are in fact employees OF THE PEOPLE, not the other way around. When the public votes to give police carte blanch on how to run things on the street without checks and balances, then they have a case. In the meantime, they need to shut the fuck up and do their jobs, and abide by the law while doing so. This IS NOT a police state. If you want that, move to Russia. And, for the love of god, take as many Republicans with you as possible.
Wally,
Do you think that both Victor Murillo and Tati Torrez were both snuffed because of their testimonies in their respective trials. Torrez' plea bargain was sealed, leading some to believe he cooperated. But what about Murillo, he was the only one not convicted in the RICO trial of 1997 that landed many EME members behind bars for life. Thanks...
don quixote said...
Professor Irwin Corey, you maniac! last time I saw you was on TV when Gypsy Boots kicked your ass and chased you all around the old Steve Allen TV set.
(1) Schizophrenia Research Foundation, 13th Street, Annanagar (East), C-46, 600 102 Madras, India
(2) Department of Psychiatry, Government General Hospital, 600 003 Madras, India
Summary A pilot study is reported of 30 chronic schizophrenic patients at the psychiatric
A pilot study is reported of 30 chronic schizophrenic patients at the psychiatric out-patient facility of Government General Hospital, Madras, India. The objectives of the study were to assess the patients' perception of prodromata of relapse and their coping mechanisms. Patients were questioned on these aspects, using a semi-structured interview guide. The study showed a high degree of perception of prodromal signs amongst the cohort. Only 4 patients were unable to perceive any prodromata of relapse. Most commonly noted prodromal symptoms were disturbed sleep and slowness and underactivity. Patients had also resorted to various coping measures such as internal dialogue and talking to a close relative or friend. The study has clearly proved that Indian schizophrenic patients are perceptive of prodromata of relapse and developed self-help methods. These methods, if properly identified, could be incorporated in psychosocial intervention programmes.
http://www.lapd.com/show.aspx?mi=2559
March, 2007
What do three seemingly separate topics — attacks on officers, minimum deployment and the Copley decision — have in common? As it turns out, a great deal.
This past year, officers were repeatedly attacked while on routine patrol. Not surprisingly, while use of force by officers often receives incessant media coverage, the unabated attacks on officers rate hardly any mention at all. I doubt I will ever see self-styled community activists threatening protests, marches and the like if officers don’t stop getting attacked.
Make no mistake, their situation is getting very grim. There have been 12 instances in less than a month in which suspects have shot at LAPD officers. LAPD statistics show that although attacks on police increased to 109 last year from 99 in 2005, they are still down from 2002, when there were nearly 130 incidents. But the numbers also show that the increase in the last three years mirrors an uptick in reported gang crime, with gangs being tied to several recent officer shootings.
Last month, officers were patrolling South Los Angeles in an unmarked police car when they recognized a local gang member. As the two plainclothes officers attempted to make contact with the suspect, he ran across four lanes of traffic on Figueroa near 46th Street toward the officers, firing five shots with a 9mm. Both officers fired back and the suspect kept shooting even after they identified themselves as police officers. Thankfully, neither officer was wounded.
In Van Nuys recently, officers were in pursuit of a suspect when he suddenly stopped his vehicle, got out and immediately fired upon the officers with a small-caliber handgun. The officers returned fire, striking the suspect. A few weeks before that, 13-year LAPD veteran Mark Wilbur was shot in the thigh while he and other officers were investigating a report of armed gang members at a house in Panorama City. In August, Officer James Tuck was seriously injured when a man with an AK47-style assault weapon opened fire on him during a traffic stop in Montecito Heights. As of this writing, this year the LAPD has already had eight officer-involved shootings. Last year at this time, we had two.
In perhaps the most high-profile incident, Officer Kristina Ripatti was left paralyzed from the chest down when she was shot last June by an armed robber who also was described as a gang member.
These are not exchanges of gunfire between criminals and officers — these are cold-blooded attempts to murder unsuspecting officers without any warning. Whatever the motivation for these attacks, their frequency and brazenness should be cause for major concern. Local hoodlums are becoming so bold as to step out and fire on police officers without the benefit of cover, and in the presence of witnesses.
Who else do you know that is willing to put their life on the line for total strangers? I have repeatedly called on the community – and particularly community leaders – to help us apprehend those responsible for these senseless attacks on our officers during the past year.
Our concern lies not only with the danger presented to the officers targeted by these attacks, but also the communities in which they occur. We know that someone, somewhere, saw something or heard someone brag about these cowardly acts. This information must be reported so that these criminals can be apprehended and our officers can continue to do their jobs of protecting the community without the threat of continued unprovoked attacks.
The community leaders of the neighborhoods in which these senseless shootings have occurred must take a leadership role on this important issue and urge local residents to report any information they think might be helpful in these investigations. We cannot allow these attacks to continue. So, excuse my attitude towards the inevitable protests that accompany use of force by officers. Attacks on officers have evoked nothing but a deafening silence. Given the complete lack of interest in this area by the media and the public, I don’t think you can color me cynical if I regard protests over use of force as just more “cop bashing.”
That, of course, segues into the topic of deployment. If the community isn’t going to assist us in catching those who want to kill or hurt us, we at least need to have the ability to protect ourselves. That means having adequate officers to respond to incidents and assist each other.
The simple fact is that there are not enough officers on the street to protect the residents of Los Angeles. The LAPD needs to commit to constant staffing, i.e. minimum deployment, that will keep an adequate number of officers on the street at all times, and that isn’t impacted by vacations, injuries and court time.
We cannot wait for the long-term solution of more officers being hired. The constant staffing plan will put hundreds of police officers on the street overnight, which will enhance public safety immediately. Until we can solve our recruitment problem, constant staffing is the only way Angelenos can have any confidence that an officer will be available when he or she is needed.
It makes no sense that the City currently funds enough overtime to assure that every fire station is fully staffed 24/7/365 but starves the LAPD’s overtime budget. Recruitment bonuses will not solve the critical need of more officers on the street right now.
And, finally, we also need to be able to defend ourselves without constantly fearing the second guessing that comes with actions we have to take in split seconds. That means defending our actions before an impartial, open-minded, fact finding body such as the Board of Rights, instead of having our cases dragged through the media and twisted by community activists, resulting in a process driven by a desire to not upset the community, rather than one committed to reaching an unbiased result based on existing policy.
On August 31, 2006, the California Supreme Court affirmed that peace officers have the right to have their personnel matters adjudicated in confidentiality (The Copley Press Inc. vs. Superior Court of San Diego). Holding open meetings regarding officers’ personnel matters violates the statutory and contractual rights of the officers who are compelled to appear publicly at the inquiries. The court responded to convincing arguments on behalf of peace officers. Peace officers, like other employees, have the right not to have their reputations dragged through the mud unnecessarily. And, as we have seen in the Officer Garcia case, these cases are often heavily politicized. The media and others seem to be compelled to use private personnel information to sit in judgment on officers who have broken no laws or policies.
We understand that while the Copley decision is fair, it isn’t popular in the aftermath of a “not guilty” Board of Rights decision that seemed to offend those who were out for Officer Garcia’s head. Community leaders and elected officials, who would have said nothing about the Copley decision had Garcia been found guilty, are now competing with each other for the right to fix a law that isn’t broken.
This self-serving rush to gain popular and media approval is shortsighted and ill-conceived. Even as we look for better tools to fight gang violence on our streets, we are telling our peace officers that if they defend themselves against gang members and criminals, whether juveniles or adults, their careers as well as their lives are at risk. No wonder that we cannot find enough men and women brave enough to withstand both the criminals and the politicians.
The fact of the matter is that police personnel records are not — and should not — be public under state law.
So, there you have it. Today, we have an understaffed police department, with officers literally under attack. The few officers we have on the street have to worry as much about the second guessers as the criminal element they face. And, when they do take an action, the fact that an impartial Board of Rights hears their case in a confidential proceeding is somehow supposed to cast doubt on the judgments rendered.
Don’t you think our city would be a better place with a fully staffed police department; a community that supports its officers and is outraged when they are attacked; and acceptance of the fact that an officer can have his case presented in a confidential proceeding? I do, and that’s why I will continue to fight to ensure that all of the above is the norm, and not just the hopeful wishes expressed in my monthly Blue Line column.
Our Honest brave men and women risking their lives everyday for the sake of protecting Ours, should not be subject to having their reputations drug through the mud, as if they were the common crimminal.."But", Sometimes, being Human, anyone can make a mistake,law breaker or law enforcer right?..If there's nothing to hide,and your in the right, there's nothing to fear..With Love, Los Angeles Resident.
I DONT GET IT,COPS BEAT UP A RAMONA GARDENS RESIDENT,AND THE ASSUMED FELON DIES,NOW IT HAPPENED AGAIN BUT THIS TIME THE COPS ARE KEEPING IT ON THE HUSH HUSH,WHY IS THAT WALLY?
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
Anon.
The sealing of Tati's files put a big question mark on his loyalty. So your assumption is probably correct. The best info on Vittorio is that he was holding out on the brothers from that business he was running up north and that he was rumored to be real close to walking away from it all. Like the Emeros like to say, "There's no back door out of this mother fucker."
Anna Nicole Smith was mentioned on this blog recently, and Barry Bonds and Paris Hilton et al. are names truly difficult to escape hearing throughout the days transaction no matter how hard one tries to avoid them. A constant parade, a continual bombardment 24/7 fills print, radio, the tube and BlackBerry chatter, even conversations at the water cooler.
Our age has gone crazy over celebrities. We take ordinary men and woman who have skill (or not so much) in singing and playing and put them in the spotlight. We single out gifted athletes and turn them into demigods.
Multitudes bask in their reflected glory. They line up for hours to catch a glimpse (oh, joy and rapture!) or to get their signature scrawled on a piece of paper. A huge industry spins off from the celebrity craze: fan clubs, apparel, bobblehead dolls, and endorsements.
Gentlemen, I give you a true celebrity, a Man who never will be exposed as a cheat or deceiver, whose secret life belied the press releases. I give you Jesus of Nazareth.
Boris Pasternak in his classic, Doctor Zhivago, captured something of the profound impact of this Man who put all other "celebrities" in the shade. "Rome was a flea market of borrowed gods and conquered people, a bargain basement on two floors, earth and heaven, a mass of filth convoluted in a triple knot as in an intestinal obstruction. Dacians, Herulians, Scythians, Samartians, Hyperboreans, heavy wheels without spokes, eyes sunk in fat, sodomy, double chins, illiterate emperors, fish fed on the flesh of learned slaves. there were more people in the world than there have ever been since, all crammed into the passages of the Coloseum, and all wretched.
"And then, into this tasteless heap of gold and marble, He came, light and clothed in an aura, emphatically human, deliberately provincial, Galilean, and at that moment gods and nations ceased to be and man came into being---man the carpenter, man the plowman, man the shephard with his flock of sheep at sunset, man who does not sound in the least proud, man thankfully celebrated in all the cradle songs of mothers and in all the picture galleries the world over."
Cops are not in a position to be 'bashed'. Cops are public servants. They do not stand on a pedestal.
Here's my trip;
I do care about the police, but take an entirely different angle.
I'm for ridding the environment that breeds violence, not just playing cat and mouse with the perps. At the end of the day, the coppers are being played, too. Deep down inside, I think the more seasoned cops know this, they just know they can't do anything about it and since they have the resources to take it all out on the small time crook, they do just that. This could range from pounding a perp's head against the sidewalk, or merely accusing those who believe that police should be held to checks and balances as 'cop bashers'. Same part of the brain at work.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-heroin15mar15,1,4083938.story?page=2
This has to be the best beat for getting paid under the table as a cop: 5th and hill
Officer Barker says:
“The community leaders of the neighborhoods in which these senseless shootings have occurred must take a leadership role on this important issue and urge local residents to report any information they think might be helpful in these investigations. We cannot allow these attacks to continue. So, excuse my attitude towards the inevitable protests that accompany use of force by officers. Attacks on officers have evoked nothing but a deafening silence. Given the complete lack of interest in this area by the media and the public, I don’t think you can color me cynical if I regard protests over use of force as just more cop bashing.”
Dq says:
Oh yea, it’s just this kind of self serving and sophomoric writing and attitude that has gotten the LAPD where it is today in regards to the non support and suspicion much of the public has for the LAPD today.
It’s taken 60 or 70 years of bad publicity brought on by the racist, brutal, secretive and beyond the law, policy’s promoted by such infamous LAPD leaders as Chief’s Parker, Davis, Gates. “We’re on top, they’re on the bottom!”,
Mexicans are naturally violent being that they descend from the wild Indians of the hills in Mexico, they also have a propensity for carrying knives”, “
“The blacks react to the chokehold much differently and die quicker, not like a normal person”, and on and on and on.
One of my first memories of the LAPD was when I was 8 or 9 years old and along with my younger brother, riding in the car with my Dad. We were going downtown along the Pasadena Frwy when a cop car gave Dad the red lights and he pulled over. The cop comes up to the window and tells the old man he was speeding (bullshit too, the old man drove like a turtle) My Dad hands the cop his license and the cop, in your typical smarmy and arrogant LAPD attitude, asks the old man what his nationality was. My father gets this exasperated look on his face and answers “American!” The cop gives him a shitty smile and says “come on, you know what I mean! You a Dago or a Mexican? The old man stubborn as hell says, “American, I was born here, where you from Oklahoma!”
My little brother and I were panicked cause it was obvious this shit was getting serious, it ends up the cop calls for backup and takes us all for a ride to the old Highland Park Police Station, the old man got arrested for some bullshit charge they concocted and we sat in the station until my grandmother picked us up.
Although only a minor incident this was a bad first impression left on little kids by an arrogant racist cop. This was just the first of many many shitty experiences I witnessed and was involved in with the LAPD>.
Yea I know it is a cliché but I have on occasion met some real good cops that made the LAPD proud. These guys were usually Detectives that were old veteranos and new the score but did there job in a professional and workmanlike manner.
Officer Barker is correct though when he complains about the lack of involvement and interest in the community’s of LA. Towards the police.
Hmmm you think that might have something to do with a really bad LAPD history along with an arrogance, contempt, and spite towards the public that is almost palatable?
Almost anyone who is of a working class background and has grown up in the various neighborhoods of LA (especially the so called minority areas) will be able to tell of negative experiences and contact with the LAPD. Whose attitude is typically unapproachable and arrogant towards the community’s they serve.
I have on occasion been in NYC and it seems very strange that the cops on the beat or in the patrol cars are willing to listen and talk and joke with the public like ordinary human beings, not at all like the familiar LAPD whose attitude has always seemed to be an “us against them, there all a bunch of assholes” philosophy.
I like the new chief “Bratton” and wish him luck in overhauling the old LAPD with it’s military and distant attitudes of the last 70 years, but reading the same old cry baby “we are the victims” pablum like Officer Barker is laying down doesn’t bode well for any immediate change in the LAPD and their attitude towards the public who pays them for their service.
dq
Your just bitter for some small bullshit experiences. There are people here with worst experiences and dont cry like a little girl over it. The pops and you were lucky compare to the shit that i've gone through. And still, I dont hold a deep resentment. In every field or group of people there is good and bad. GET OVER IT
Don Q said .....
but reading the same old cry baby “we are the victims” pablum like Officer Barker is laying down doesn’t bode well for any immediate change in the LAPD and their attitude towards the public who pays them for their service.
Well that is just too damn funny "but reading the same old cry baby “we are the victims” pablum .
The old Cholo Victim Maximus who is constantly crying he is a Cholo because he was a victim of
1) Manifest Destiny
2) Spanish Conquistadores in Mexico
3) Lewis and Clark Expedition of the Pacific coast
4) Racist Tex-Mex cops who beat him up
5) Improper toilet training
Que viejo tan ridÃculo. Este pendejó Don Culo es mas chistoso que Cantinflas.
Mario Moreno
Article Last Updated: 03/15/2007 07:20:56 PM PDT
The failed programs and millions of dollars wasted by the L.A. Bridges gang prevention program over the last decade are a good thing.
Hopefully, it means that Los Angeles leaders are ready to stop pursuing strategies and activities that have never really worked. Perhaps now they will be more receptive to proven anti-gang ideas that attack the root causes of gang activity, ideas that could have L.A. gangster-free in three years or less.
Hold accountable the homes that breed and harbor gang members. A fast track for court hearings must be established to prosecute parents who provide safe havens for minors involved in gangs, crime and the drug trade. Parenting classes must be mandated for every parent of every child convicted of a crime.
Commit the majority of gang prevention funding to subsidizing quality job and internship opportunities. The money wasted on the L.A. Bridges program during the last 10 years would have provided every juvenile gang member in L.A. with three hours of supervised work after school every school day for an entire school year at $10 per hour. These jobs would be available only to gang members who voluntarily tested clean for drugs, attended school regularly, passed their classes
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and stayed out of trouble.
Expose the myth of "blood in - blood out" with L.A's media to encourage gang members to quit their gangs. Here's a cause big enough for all our entertainers and athletes, politicians and clergy, billboards, radio, television and community events.
Stop using ex-gangster organizations as leaders and spokesmen for gang prevention. Almost without exception, these groups are anti-law enforcement and preach a quasi-religious doctrine of racist paranoia about our justice system. Many activities and philosophies implemented by these groups during the past decade have made the gang problem much worse.
Gang summit meetings, peace treaties and gang sports have only served to legitimize and glamorize the criminal lifestyle. Contrary to popular perception, gangs are not tightly-knit cohesive groups, but loosely organized lost children.
Use L.A.'s faith community to offer free child care to every low-income, unwed mother under 30 who is employed or going to school.
All it would require to provide this life-changing opportunity would be for each of our 2,000-plus churches, mosques and temples to commit their millions of members to opening facilities two days per week to a maximum of six children each.
Get a commitment from Los Angeles Unified School District to require mandatory drug testing for all extracurricular activities. There's almost a 100 percent correlation between drug/alcohol abuse and gang involvement.
Stop seeing graffiti as a minor crime, and start enforcing the law. Any criminal activity that costs Angelenos
Last week someone was asking about the old gangs of Los Angeles below is link to story about White Fence and has pictures.
http://13radicalriders14.blogspot.com/2005/09/white-fence_30.html
http://13radicalriders14.blogspot.com/
Last week someone was asking about history of LA gangs and also White Fence. Check out link below for some more info.
http://13radicalriders14.blogspot.com/search?q=white+fence
http://13radicalriders14.blogspot.com/
I've been smashed on by police , been punched, kicked, beat, and had my life threatened by a police captain. The worst was when I got arressted due to racial profiling...that one cost me money...the beatings go witht he vida loca territory. I haven't been fucked with by police in a long time and the last time I did get pulled over, the cop treated me with upmost respect, even cut me some slack.
The difference between then and now is amazing, but it wasn't the juras that changed (at least i dont think so), it was me. This time when I was pulled over, I wasn't on parole or probation. I had insurance and a license. The car had tags. I didn't seem anxious because I didn't have a car with clavo or a cuete stashed away in it.
Being legit and feeling like i have the high moral ground affords me alot of liberties most gente don't even know about. The officer wasn't about to violate my rights cause he knew i was educated, possibly even with lawyers on retainer (which i have). In fact he was very concialtory when i began questioning him...thats right questioning him.
So you see locos, even though the system isn't perfect for everyone, it is what you make of it for yourself.
Alot of those vatos who get beat and killed by police probably didnt deserve it, or maybe they did, but in the end, most people won't give a shit because the vato put himself in that situation by living life as he was.
your not going to tell me that vato killed by police in boyle heights was an angel? more people would be crying bloddy murder if he had been.
oh yeah, no one ever commented on my comment that had Bush been a eme carnal, all you fools (especially so cal foolios)would be praising his cunning instead of bitching about the man
Anonymous said...
Why do rich white kids from orange county dress like cholos? What are these spoiled little bastards mad about? Mommy and daddy not paying enough attention to them? I see it all the time they were khakis white t-shirts long socks dickies shirts. Either they want to act black ie: wigger or brown ie : cholo. Confused little mensos.
White Is Right said...
Why do they have to be mad at something? Is that why Mexicans are Cholos? Because they are mad? Please tell me more. You may have the first insight on how to solve this gang problem, make all the little Cholos happy. Up here in Nor-Cal there's a Sh*t load of White Cholos. I don't know if they are mad at their moms or not. I think it's just a style that they latched on to or admire. Not all White kids want to be Skin-heads. But you guy's complain whether these kids are racist Nazi skinheads or dress like cholos. You can't please everyone.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gangkill16mar16,0,1287756.story?track=mostviewed-homepage
I just read this in the Los Angeles Times about a very young Mexican kid being killed by another very young Mexican kid. I am also wondering what the “spoiled little bastards are mad about”
If a White kid is in a gang we don’t make excuses for his behavior but if a Mexican kid is in a gang we make excuses for his behavior? And also pretty funny post with Don Q using the word "crybaby" when all he does is whine, whine, and whine about being the number one victim of our racist, fascist government.
Like Wally said “IT CUTS BOTH WAYS”
Deadly gang brawl stuns Santa Barbara
The city is reeling after violence erupts on the streets, leaving one teen killed and another charged with murder.
By Steve Chawkins, Times Staff Writer
March 16, 2007
SANTA BARBARA — Residents and tourists here were stunned Thursday in the wake of a daylight gang brawl that left a 15-year-old boy stabbed to death, a 14-year-old charged with his murder and downtown's main commercial strip shut down for more than eight hours.
"Everyone's saying, 'This isn't supposed to happen in Santa Barbara,' " said Police Chief Cam Sanchez. "Well, it isn't supposed to happen anywhere."
Police wouldn't reveal how the early Wednesday afternoon fight had started, saying it was still under investigation. But they were emphatic that the deadly skirmish, which involved throngs of participants and was witnessed by many bystanders, was a confrontation between two rival gangs.
Killed was 15-year-old Luis Angel Linares, a student at El Puente Community School who was known to his friends as Nacho. Bleeding after being stabbed, he staggered into the parking lot behind Saks Fifth Avenue on State Street before being rushed to a local hospital, where he was pronounced dead.
His alleged killer, whose name was not released because of his age, attended Santa Barbara Junior High School. He is being held at Santa Barbara County's juvenile hall, officials said.
Four others — allegedly members of the same gang — were also arrested on a variety of charges. They range in age from 13 to 16.
Santa Barbara students had been let out of school early Wednesday for a "minimum day" to give teachers and administrators time to attend training sessions, said J. Brian Sarvis, superintendent of the city's schools.
"We try to do the releases all at once so schools can coordinate with families that have child-care needs," he said. "Of course, we're rethinking that policy."
With the fight surging across State Street, dozens of police officers and sheriff's deputies converged on the scene from their departments' headquarters just blocks away. As it turned out, the Police Department was in the middle of a training session, so more officers were immediately available than would have been otherwise, officials said.
White Bread
gangs have permeated your neighborhoods. Gangs have invaded and divided your families. They've possibly even entered your bedrooms. The stench of meth is all around. Billions of your tax dollars are being rerouted to S.A. cartels. The summertime nights are filled with the incessant thump of moronic rap music(?) with its simplistic no brain lyrics laced with violence. Your youth has defied you and holds you up for blame. Your elected leaders have lied to you and steal from you, grinding you into a lower economic class annually.. I look around and note: it's almost ancient Roman out there. Maybe it's high time for the Second Coming! Or you could always call a cop and let him file a report.. We report, you decide..
http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/6531207.html?showAll=y&c=y
Gang units arrest 5 men in arson of Carson house
Home was burned out on fourth try in retaliation for man's death in a gunfight there, officials say. Authorities say the fiery attacks were ordered by imprisoned members of the Mexican Mafia.
By Sandy Mazza
Staff Writer
Five men were arrested Thursday morning during a massive police search for arsonists responsible for burning down a Carson home on orders from the Mexican Mafia.
Gang investigators from several Los Angeles County sheriff's stations assisted the Carson station's Operation Safe Streets anti-gang unit in the searches. Seven residences in Cerritos, Long Beach and San Bernardino County were searched.
The five men, who are expected to be charged with felony arson, were not identified.
Arsonists tried to torch the same home in the 400 block of 229th Street three times in November and December 2006, officials said. They did not successfully destroy the house until the fourth try, on Jan. 20, said sheriff's Sgt. Fred Reynolds, who is based at the Carson sheriff's station.
Reynolds said the attacks were ordered by imprisoned members of the Mexican Mafia, also known as "La Eme." The prison gang controls and demands a percentage of drug-sale profits from all Latino street gangs in Southern California.
"La Eme" members ordered the house burned down after a man was shot and killed during a gunfight at the home on Nov. 20, 2006, Reynolds said.
He identified the victim as Anthony Gurule, 29, a member of a Carson street gang. Gurule had a criminal history that stretched back to 1998, and included illegal gun possession and driving without a license. He was about to stand trial for murder when he was killed, according to Los Angeles County Superior Court records. He was out of jail on $6 million bail, according to county records.
Gurule allegedly went to the home on 229th Street with other members from his gang to intimidate the residents, who were also Latino street gang members, Reynolds said. Gurule told them to pay "taxes," or a cut of their profits from drug sales, to "La Eme." A gunfight broke out, and Gurule was killed.
"There was a shootout," Reynolds said. "Gurule went over there with other members of his gang to get money. Higher members of ("La Eme") didn't approve of the way they killed him. They burned the house down."
Police determined that his killer was justified in shooting Gurule, and did not charge him with murder, Reynolds said.
The residents, whom police did not identify, vacated the house after the shooting.
Five days later, on Nov. 25, arsonists attempted to burn down the home, which is on a quiet residential street.
Arsonists again attempted to burn down the home on Nov. 30 and Dec. 19, Reynolds said. On Jan. 20, they set a fire shortly before 1 a.m. that caused about $200,000 in damage, according to officials at the time.
Sheriff's arson investigators found a gas container, spout and crowbar at the scene.
The home was still boarded up Thursday. Charred newspapers from the week of the fire littered the front lawn, along with wall insulation and shattered glass. In the backyard, burned furniture and other household items remained.
Reynolds did not say what led investigators to the five men arrested Thursday.
He said they expect to file charges of felony arson against the men on Monday.
Anonymous said...
I've been smashed on by police , been punched, kicked, beat, and had my life threatened by a police captain. The worst was when I got arressted due to racial profiling...that one cost me money...the beatings go witht he vida loca territory. I haven't been fucked with by police in a long time and the last time I did get pulled over, the cop treated me with upmost respect, even cut me some slack. The difference between then and now is amazing, but it wasn't the juras that changed (at least i dont think so), it was me. This time when I was pulled over, I wasn't on parole or probation. I had insurance and a license. The car had tags. I didn't seem anxious because I didn't have a car with clavo or a cuete stashed away in it.
I know what you mean hermano, I remember lots of shit that happened to me as a chavalito. I remember being in a car with four compas and having a pound of mota. We got stoped by the police, I ran when the car stopped, that day I was quicker then the cops. I used to run the 880 back in high school.
But another time I got busted and smacked with a billy club. But as I got older I got my shit together for my wife and kids. So some cops are assholes but not all are like that and even our jente are cops now. I have also been given breaks by cops for speeding a few times, you get back what you put out. And now I even have famila who are cops so I have a different view on cops.
Vato from Duarte
Anonymous said...
gangs have permeated your neighborhoods. Gangs have invaded and divided your families. They've possibly even entered your bedrooms. The stench of meth is all around. The summertime nights are filled with the incessant thump of moronic rap music(?) with its simplistic no brain lyrics laced with violence. Or you could always call a cop and let him file a report.
Damn homie, forget calling the cops you better call a moving truck. Those ghetto apartments where you are living even has a meth lab. Move the hell out of there.
Bekins
Gang units arrest 5 men in arson of Carson house.
Home was burned out on fourth try in retaliation for man's death in a gunfight there, officials say. Authorities say the fiery attacks were ordered by imprisoned members of the Mexican Mafia.
By Sandy Mazza
Staff Writer
http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/6531207.html
http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_020123652.html
Somebody back aways said:
Gangs are like weeds.You cant kill them by snipping off the peddles.You got to destroy them at the root.Putting foos in jail hasnt worked for generations they need to come up with a new gameplan.
Out here we use Roundup to kill the roots, but I like to smoke them peddles..
Senor Bekins said:
Damn homie, forget calling the cops you better call a moving truck. Those ghetto apartments where you are living even has a meth lab. Move the hell out of there.
I'm not sure if it's meth or Amway but the participants are just as obsessed. Maybe it's a meth cult that sells Amway.. Or Mary Kay..
I've visited a few of their dwellings and noticed that there's an abundance of Woody Harrelson posters on their walls. Does that mean they're marijuana afficianados? I have'nt a clue. The situation has me shaking. I'm a shaker---------- and Bekins is a mover...... Could it be that we might team? Be a mover and a shaker? Is there any way out of here? I'm at an impasse, and my quartet of chihuahuas are champing at their bits..Could it be I've mistaken the stench of meth for the little slim jims my puppies have left on the carpet? Can I get an injunction on Mary Kay? Will Alfredo Gonzales survive the night?Is there a gang in my closet?
Do you suppose those folks in Carson who lost their home called Bekins for the move or did they grab a change of underwear and vacate with a police escort? Live by the sword - die by the sword..GJ
$206 million in meth money seized in Mexico
MEXICO CITY -- In the largest cash seizure in Mexican history, authorities confiscated $206 million in U.S. currency from a band of methamphetamine producers headquartered in a ritzy neighborhood here, officials said today.
Two of the seven people arrested at the home were Chinese, and authorities said the bust hinted at the vast scope of an illegal drug trade that links Mexico to Asia.
Authorities said the arrests came after an investigation that began in December, when authorities seized 20 tons of pseudoephedrine, a key ingredient in the production of methamphetamines, at the Mexican Pacific port of Lazaro Cardenas.
Mexican drug trafficking organizations have become increasing important in the wholesale and retail trade in methamphetamines in the United States because American authorities have placed tougher controls on the sale of the chemicals used to produce the highly addictive drug.
Mexico's attorney general's office said the December seizure in Lazaro Cardenas led authorities to a chemical company, Unimed Pharm Chem, based in the city of Toluca, about 50 miles west of Mexico City.
"The resulting investigation showed that this company illegally imported pseudoephedrine acetate from India," the attorney general's office said in a statement. "These chemicals are used to illegally produce methamphetamines."
Mexican police raided the home Thursday in Lomas de Chapultepec, a neighborhood home to some of this city's wealthiest residents and to many members of the diplomatic corps.
Officials said they worked past midnight to count the bills, which were hidden inside walls, suitcases and closets.
The cash seized was mostly in U.S. $100 bills and weighed at least 4,500 pounds. It was five times the amount seized in all of 2006 by Mexican authorities in anti-narcotic and money laundering operations.
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Looks to me like this new Mexican president is really trying. But like he recently said if the US does nothing about it's huge appitite for drugs, all of his countries efforts will be useless.
ALRATO
SV VBS
PS. Here's that PBS report about meth again.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/meth/faqs/
Guess who said....Gangs are like weeds. You cant kill them by snipping off the peddles. You got to destroy them at the root.
I definitely agree we need to kill the roots.
The three drug lethal injection cocktail of thiopental, pancuronium-bromide and potassium chloride works very well for killing the roots.
Our philosopher friend said,
"gangs have permeated your neighborhoods. Gangs have invaded and divided your families. They've possibly even entered your bedrooms."
The preacher warned us about this day of doom and now the condemned City of the Angels awaits her doom. Revoke your presage of doom copper and get off my line you dope...Is this our fate, our lot, is this our portion of destiny, destruction, ruin, and death? Retract your judgment before I pull you lower lip over your head like a cabbage leaf. A more smarting, bitter, and angry old fool than yourself, we have not met. May the house recommend Metamucil for you? Displaced anger and resentment can cause one to become irregular you know.
Orgulloso Mexicano say nada lately.
My dictionary say this:
Buffoon n.
silly-Billy, fool, pantaloon punchinello -lol.
Buffoon comes from Italian buffone, clown.
In opera, a buffo, another Italian word, is a male bass singer of comic roles.
Sr. SNS said……………
When the public votes to give police carte blanch on how to run things on the street without checks and balances, then they have a case. In the meantime, they need to shut the fuck up and do their jobs, and abide by the law while doing so. This IS NOT a police state. If you want that, move to Russia.
Sr. SNS I agree with you, we must do everything in our power to keep the police from stopping my business. I want to sell lots of my product in United States and buy the police department like I did Tijuana, Mexico.
Then you will NOT have to live in a police state like Los Angels. I am using my money and power in towns like Cudahy. I am working very hard to buy the town Cudahy, I want to buy many small towns as possible. I want to make many towns like Tijuana and Juarez where you will NOT live in a police state. If you wants to be my new amigo come to visit me in Tijuana.
Your new amigo,
Arellano Felix
Which one of the Arellanos was a perverted and kinky guy again?
:)
Is your sarcasm supposed to distract me from the fact that you have a weak argument that doesn't even get you across the starting line?
The reason why Cudahy has been taken over is the exact same reason the United States has ALREADY been taken over (you guys act as if it hasn't yet happened, as if it's something that needs to be prevented..) by energy and military interests, MONEY, greed, and stupid fucking people who think that the two can suffice for every problem that faces this nation.
Really, is the point you're trying to make that of us needing to put the police in charge, without checks and balances, to fight crime, up to and including drug cartels? You do understand that is a police state, don't you? Our cops don't have to have brown skin and wear berets to qualify as being fascists.
If we do what these whiney LA cops want to do in regards to gang and drug enforcement, throw them power of country, state, and city council, we are no longer a democracy. This means those cartel fucks, along with middle eastern terrorists, have already completed one phase of their plan to end America, strip us of our spirit of civil liberty.
People say let the cops do their job. I say, let the people run the government. Afterall, we've actually tried letting the police do their jobs, without supervision. Ask anyone who was alive on April 29, 1992 how well that went.
Conchita
vito
Lars
Mars
Ezekiel Jenkins
Wallista Tribune
Kansonian Mule Dispatch
Sammy Wing
Confucious
SanFer
Santa Monica Sally
Anonymous
The cholo spokesman and his never ending names silly-Billy, fool, pantaloon punchinello -lol.
Buffoon comes from Italian buffone, clown
Michelangelo
http://www.veteransforsecureborders.us/feedback/feedback13.html
I am a Hispanic, with 33+ years as a Deputy Sheriff and Gang Expert in Los Angeles. Of the three "Super Gangs" spawned in the streets of Los Angeles, "Florencia 13", "18th Street", and "Mara Salvatrucha 13", are composed primarily of illegal immigrants. These are not the poor working people of 20 years ago.
The same criminals that traffic in human beings are also trafficking in drugs and false documents. This is how the violent "Sureno" gangs fund the bloody destruction of our society. About 600 are murdered by gangs in L.A. each year. These gangs are growing and migrating into cities and towns across the U.S. and their aim is to first seduce and then destroy our children and our way of life.
The ugly backlash against this lawlessness will result in social repercussions against both legal and illegal immigrant Hispanics in the U.S. and more racism. We Hispanics should be the first to speak out against this perversion of our culture.
Sergeant Richard Valdemar, LASD (retired)
A right-thinking individual mentioned:
The three drug lethal injection cocktail of thiopental, pancuronium-bromide and potassium chloride works very well for killing the roots.
I agree but it can take up to 15 years and millions of dollars to take effect. One has to admire the Iraqi's system, mandatory execution within 30 days, no appeals, black hood optional...GJ
SNap out of it "Arrellano Felix",
your either doing time in the US Feds, thanks to the Govt of MExico, or if your the other couple of Arrellano Felix, Your Dead!, also thanks to the Gov't of Mexico.
Also Arrellano Felix, since you've been gone for a while, it's always been much easier to score pharmaceutical's of your choice, weed, coke, rock, smack, meth, ect; in neighborhoods accross the City of Angels than either Tijuana or Juarez.
Whats up with that!
I can't get a good Cuban Cigar here in the ol USA but it's raining drugs in most cities of "Merica".
Gee whiz "Adam 12, Adam 12"
The crooked city's of Tijuana and Juarez where the "mordida" seems to be more "democratic" ,as an ordinary citizen can pay off the Jura's, unlike here in our "morally upright" society where you got to have the juice with the "mero rico's" up top to get the "hook up's".
Field Marshall Cheney and his Hallibuton/ Kellogg, Brown,Root, move headquarters from the Texas USA (+ a 20 sq ft office in the Cayman Is) to Dubai UAI.
Now theres the hookup here in the USA, for those in the know of course.
Shut up Arellano Felix! Your not only "small potatoes" but your history!
dq
May the enemies of this blog never eat bread nor drink whisky, but be tormented with itching without benefit of scratching.
For the estupido who said police have bullet-proof vests and should not complain and just do their jobs
Orozco had talked about killing a police officer in other conversations because he wanted to ingratiate himself with the Mexican Mafia, a powerful prison gang that controls most Hispanic street gangs in Southern California, Guzman testified. "He said he wanted to put the Barrio on the map, let everyone know Hawaiian Gardens was No. 1," Guzman said. "But we were already on the map. He did that on his own," Guzman stressed.
http://www.lasd.org/aboutlasd/memorial/ortiz_jerry-l/bio.html
BIO: DEPUTY LUIS GERARDO (JERRY) ORTIZ
L. JERRY ORTIZ - 35 YEARS OLD
DATE OF BIRTH:
SEPTEMBER 16, 1969
YUMA, ARIZONA
WIFE:
CHELA ORTIZ
PARENTS:
ROSA ORTIZ, MOTHER
LUIS ORTIZ, FATHER
CHILDREN:
JEREMY ORTIZ, 16 YEARS OLD
JACOB ORTIZ, 6 YEARS OLD
SIBLING:
SYLVIA GONZALEZ
JAVIER A. ORTIZ
CLAUDIA SANTA ANNA
MIGUEL A. ORTIZ
http://www.sgvtribune.com/search/ci_5405988
Trial opens in deputy's slaying
Gang member Jose Luis Orozco, a 29-year-old of Hawaiian Gardens faces multiple murder counts
By Tracy Manzer Staff writer
NORWALK - Testimony in the first day of a trial for an accused cop killer ran the gamut Friday, from emotional to hostile. It was a swift start as nine witnesses were called to testify at the trial for Jose Luis Orozco, a 29-year-old Hawaiian Gardens gang member accused of shooting Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Jerry Ortiz at point-blank range as the defendant hid behind a door. Orozco is charged with one count of murder in the deputy's slaying, along with the special circumstance allegations of murder of a peace officer, murder while lying in wait and murder to avoid arrest. He also faces one count of attempted murder stemming from a shooting four days before the deputy was killed, and two counts of possession of a firearm by a felon. Ortiz, a Diamond Bar resident, was investigating the earlier shooting when he was "shot in an ambush from behind an apartment door," District Attorney Steve Cooley said at a 2005 news conference. "As the deputy lay dying, his killer ran away," Cooley said. Among the first witnesses was the slain deputy's wife, Chela Ortiz, whose voice quaked as she testified.
http://www.sgvtribune.com/search/ci_5431230
Accused cop killer's gang ties told
By Tracy Manzer Staff Writer
NORWALK - The prosecution painted Jose Luis Orozco as a ruthless gang member as his trial continued Tuesday, and his defense attorneys did little to argue the point. Rather than take the position that Orozco is not guilty in the slaying of Los Angeles County sheriff's Deputy Jerry Ortiz in June 2005, Orozco's attorneys continued to launch an aggressive attack against his friends, implying there were several people who should share the blame for the Diamond Bar resident's murder. For the second day, defense attorney Robin Yanes hammered away at two of Orozco's friends, demanding to know why neither of the women did anything to stop him from killing Ortiz.
http://www.sgvtribune.com/search/ci_5439954
Fellow gang member says Orozco talked of killing cop
By Tracy Manzer Staff Writer
NORWALK - A fellow Hawaiian Gardens gang member testified Wednesday that the man accused of killing a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy had talked about killing a police officer before the slaying. Nicolas Guzman testified he is friends with Jose Luis Orozco, 29, a fellow gang member accused of gunning down Los Angeles County sheriff's Deputy Jerry Ortiz in 2005.
Guzman said he was admitted to the Barrio Hawaiian Gardens gang in 1979. Although he and Orozco were members of different cliques, Guzman said he had known Orozco most of his life and considered him a friend. "He's my homie," Guzman testified. Asked if he still considered himself a gang member, Guzman said, "Yes I am, 'til death."
Orozco had talked about killing a police officer in other conversations because he wanted to ingratiate himself with the Mexican Mafia, a powerful prison gang that controls most Hispanic street gangs in Southern California, Guzman testified. "He said he wanted to put the Barrio on the map, let everyone know Hawaiian Gardens was No. 1," Guzman said. "But we were already on the map. He did that on his own," Guzman stressed.
http://www.presstelegram.com/news/ci_5448769
Child says she was about to warn cop
10-year-old girl testifies about 2005 slaying of Deputy Jerry Ortiz; defense rests without calling witnesses.
By Tracy Manzer, Staff writer
NORWALK - A 10-year-old girl testified Thursday that she was about to warn a Sheriff's deputy of an armed gang member when the gunman opened fire, killing the officer. The little girl, who was 8 years old when Los Angeles County Deputy Jerry Ortiz was gunned down as he stood on her front porch in 2005, described the gun allegedly used by Jose Luis Orozco and how he held the door with one hand as he shot the unsuspecting officer. Anjelica was in a bedroom in her family's apartment in the 12200 block of East 223rd Street at about 3 p.m. on June 24 when she walked to the kitchen for a glass of water and saw Orozco peering through a crack in the front door at the gang investigator. "... I seen (Orozco) and then I got the water and I was going to tell the cop," when the shot rang out, the girl testified. The Press-Telegram has chosen not to identify the child out of concern for her safety.
Orozco, a 29-year-old Hawaiian Gardens gang member, is charged with one count of murder in the deputy's slaying, along with the special circumstance allegations of murder of a peace officer, murder while lying in wait and murder to avoid arrest. He also faces one count of attempted murder stemming from a shooting four days before the deputy was killed, and two counts of possession of a firearm by a felon.
"I remember the cop said `Is Sepe here?' and she said `No,"' testified the girl, now 10, referring to the defendant by his gang name. "Your mom lied to the police officer?" Deputy District Attorney Lowell Anger asked. "Yes," she said, adding that Ortiz knew her mother was lying because her mom was crying at the time. "She always cries in front of cops," the girl added.
Anjelica, her younger sister who testified before her and their toddler sister - who was an infant at the time of the murder - were in the apartment just a few feet from the gunman and Ortiz. All three girls were taken into protective custody following the slaying after investigators said they learned their mother and several other adults in the apartment had been taking drugs at the time. Their mother, who has since been through drug rehabilitation, testified earlier this week that she has been working hard to get her children returned to her. The 10-year-old identified Orozco in the courtroom and told the prosecutor she didn't like the defendant.
Don Culo dice mas babo-sadas ………..
Orgulloso Mexicano say nada lately.
My dictionary say this:
Buffoon n. silly-Billy, fool, pantaloon punchinello -lol.
Buffoon comes from Italian buffone, clown.
In opera, a buffo, another Italian word, is a male bass singer of comic roles.
I used a dictionary and looked up “culo” it means "asshole".
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=culo
I used a dictionary and looked up “pendejo” it means idiot, stupid or dumb-ass.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pendejo
I used a dictionary and looked up “bullshit” it means nonsense, lies, exaggeration.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bullshit
I used a dictionary and looked up “crybaby” it means someone who will cry over the smallest thing out of self pity.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=crybaby
If case you are to pendejó to understand in English I will translate to Spanish.
Usted Sr. Don Culo eres un gran pendejó que solo hablas mierda y siempre estas llorando que eres una victima de gobierno de los Estados Unidos. Ya deja de llorar por que tu mama te dejo con tus pantalones llenos de mierda.
Orgulloso Mexicano
To Orgulloso Mexican,
Those are some funny words you looked up. I almost pee-pee my pants when I read your reply.
I am not sure which word is the best word, bullshit or crybaby. Or the line about the mama not changing his poo-poo pants.
Alratao
Vato from Duarte
Hey Orgulloso Falso! Mejor es tu sombrnombre "sinverguensa y lambe culo".
When I want to address your lame ass I'll use my own handle "don quixote" as always, pinchi mandilon.
I guess you have some Italian who's got your number a huevo puto!
Now you really can be "orgulloso" cause your evidently an "international menso" to the jente in Italy.
Yo no se quien es el Italiano, pero como mi gusta tu nombre en este lengua. "Buffo!"
according to our friends in Italy;
"In opera, a buffo, another Italian word, is a male bass singer of comic roles"
Llore mas, "buffo" o mejor "buffon", Italia y aqui, es la misma cosa sobre tu.
Viva Italia, porque alli son muy sabio's, que no Lloron?
(pero que feo, no? Buffo! a la chingada!)
With all due respect,
Yours Truly, as always,
don quixote
ps: for all you other "Buffo's" I always have and will contiue to post up as don quixote only.
But you can still call me "don camote" like you like to.
Those are some funny words you looked up. I almost pee-pee my pants when I read your reply.
Alratao
Vato from Duarte
Hahaha hahaha hahaha? A real side splitter you dope.
Yeah, you pee peed on your po po's
and your also back to answering your own posts, thats the really funny part. Get off the line you big dope cop.
don quixote said...
Hey Orgulloso Falso! Mejor es tu sombrnombre "sinverguensa y lambe culo".
A good sobre-nombre not "sombrnombre" as Don Q calls it for Don Q. himself would be La llorona. Now shut the fuck up La llorona and get over yourself already.
THE NAME CALLING BY OUR SENIOR MEMBERS ON THIS BLOG WOULD BE FUNNY IF IT WEREN'T SO JUVENILE AND EMBARRASSING. I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE OLD DAYS WITH S AND OLDSCHOOL FOOL F13, MORE ENTERTAINING WITH THE PCP INFLUENCE.
En ingles, por favor carnal. My Nonna used to break off out of her perfect English into an Italian rant when she got riled and it pretty much left us kids in the dark. Unfortunately you write Spanglish and I've yet to find an online translator that can decipher it..
It's a shame you let this sniper get under your skin.. Folks in the know see that your comments have always been delivered in the third person (observations) and never have seemed to edify the gangster lifestyle like you've been accused of..
My impression is that your incessant critic is a frustrated lawdog who has yet to develop a good investigative sense. I know a few old cops who say that it's an acquired skill,one that comes from experience. But really who knows what this guy's all about? His rudeness resembles an old friend with maybe a slightly different tack..
I remember back when we busted Retired Joker for his plagiarized postings on Brown Pride and he went all psychotic, and Tijuana Jailer tried to calm him with telling him that his screen name was really clever, etc. It did'nt do a thing. Did'nt change all that morphing he did. They were wasted words thrown out in good faith and comradary, but it meant nothing. They guy had already imploded..
So now, to the joy of many, I too will implode...........
I'm a little surprised noone has contested the LA Weekly list from a week ago:
Rollin 60s Crips
Grape Street Crips
Florencia 13
Hoover Street Criminals
18th St Westside
black PStones Bloods
Quarto Flats
PJ Crips
Avenues
Main street Crips
Mara Salvatrucha
I'm not a cop (although I've lived in cities long enough to know that's the first thing a cop will tell you) but I want to know: are these the most bad ass gangs in LA?
I'll tell you why I'm curious--I'm scared. I'm scared of all the bangers out there with nothing to lose. Because I've got some stuff to lose. I earned it.
I moved here from Chicago, not an area unfamiliar to gangs. But it's fucking crazy out here, I can't believe how bad it is.
My corner of my neighborhood just switched over from Armenian Power to White Fence. What does that mean for me and the other folks on my street who don't want any part of that stuff? I dunno.
There hasn't been much nonsense around my block lately, I'm hoping that's permanent. I'm guessing it's temporary--once the AP kids who got locked up start getting paroled, the shooting will start again.
So, if anyone wants to tell me, what can I expect from the WF kids? They didn't make the list, is that good news?
This shit is crazy here, yall. Speak nothing of me and my neighbors, it's the kids who deserve better.
HEY WALLY!! I ASKED IF YOU HAD HEARD ABOUT ANOTHER PERSON DYING IN POLICE CUSTODY AT THE HOLLENBECK POLICE STATION/LAPD, WELL ITS NOT ON THE DOWNLOW ANYMORE! IT HIT THE NEWS.
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
StillNoScript said...
Every police officer should be required to take a course on U.S. Government, immediately. At some point, I really think they forgot that they are in fact employees OF THE PEOPLE, not the other way around. When the public votes to give police carte blanch on how to run things on the street without checks and balances, then they have a case. In the meantime, they need to shut the fuck up and do their jobs, and abide by the law while doing so. This IS NOT a police state. If you want that, move to Russia. And, for the love of god, take as many Republicans with you as possible.
SNS I agree with u about the police and Donald Trump should also shut the fuck up.
But I do have a question for u.
You say you want the government to legalize drugs right?
But u complained when the government (Oliver North) was in the drug business.
Oliver North was just trying to make drugs easy to get, just like you wanted.
So please explain if you do or do NOT want easy access to drugs in the ghettos.
Rosie
http://www.rosie.com/
ATC said............
I moved here from Chicago, not an area unfamiliar to gangs. But it's fucking crazy out here, I can't believe how bad it is.
Do you know that Los Angeles is know as the gang capital of the world?
If you live in Los Angles and have the money you should move the fuck out of Los Angels. Any area where there are a majority of Mexican residents has gang problems. If you look at cities like El Monte, Baldwin Park which are in the suburbs but have mostly Mexican residents the city is a shit-hole with gang problems. If you look at cities like Simi-Valley, Anaheim hills, Brea or Irvine which has mostly white residents it is day and night difference compared to Los Angeles.
Also the schools which have a majority of Mexican students are also the worst performing schools. I know the Mexicans here will be calling me racist but that is the sad truth.
Use the web-sites below to check out the schools and you can see what I mean, the better performing schools have fewer Mexican students. If you have kids in schools who do not even speak English like Los Angeles that will also lower school scores.
http://www.greatschools.net/
http://www.psk12.com/rating/USindexphp/STATE_CA.html
Also look at crime rate statistics to know safe the city you are living in really is.
http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/
http://ca.rand.org/stats/community/crimerate.html
White Flight
This fucking numbnuts StillNoScript
is priceless. His political views and his views on society are typical of an idealist who ignores reality.
He is the kind of idiot who thinks people who live ion the ghettos and varrios have bars on their windows to keep the cops and military out.
My guess is that he's a vegetarian, member of PETA, Sierra Club, and The Earth Liberation Front.
He also can't go more than 3 posts withoput mentioning Bush/Republicans/oil compamies or the war. This is about gangs and cops, not a Democratic party blog.
He's one pissed off Democrat who needs to get a life.
This was posted not by me marty. Wally, If you are the only one filtering whats up? The po-po's taken controll? lol
why was it permitted
marty with the short pants said...
don quixote said...
Hey Orgulloso Falso! Mejor es tu sombrnombre "sinverguensa y lambe culo".
A good sobre-nombre not "sombrnombre" as Don Q calls it for Don Q. himself would be La llorona. Now shut the fuck up La llorona and get over yourself already.
Gava Joe in a state of cop paranoia said...
En ingles, por favor carnal. My Nonna used to break off out of her perfect English into an Italian rant when she got riled and it pretty much left us kids in the dark. Unfortunately you write Spanglish and I've yet to find an online translator that can decipher it.
My impression is that your incessant critic is a frustrated law-dog who has yet to develop a good investigative sense.
How come ex-convicts always have this paranoia about cops, I am pretty sure this blog is mostly viewed by old cholos and not cops. My impression is that cops would not be on here wasting their time to talking to knuckle-head Cholos.
More likely a cop would write their own blog and find people who have an interest in their viewpoints and stories. Why would cops want to get involved in immature conversations with sociapthic cholos? Below is a blog by a cop and this is most likely what they do on blogs.
Check out video clip
http://code4.blogspot.com/2006_05_16_archive.html
In the Peter Jenning special, he says of South Los Angeles "there is no more dangerous place to be a young man." That was once again proven today. I was standing inside a person’s house, taking burglary report when a radio call was broadcast "shots fired, victim down". I jumped in my cruiser and raced north. While driving, the airship flew over and broadcast there was a victim laying on the sidewalk with a gunshot wound to his head. When I arrived, the fire department had already put him on a stretcher and was trying to put a tube down his throat. I looked at his face and he looked dead, his eyes open, starring into the hot sun, lifeless. He was 16 years old. I followed the ambulance to the hospital, lights and sirens, to monitor his status and update the homicide detectives of his condition. The ER trauma staff was waiting and they immediately began to treat him. Despite the obvious bullet wound square in the middle of his head and the visible grey matter, they did their best... not giving up for such a young victim. Their attempts seemed futile at first until his pulse monitor started to beep and you could see his blood pressure rising. They stopped CPR and saw his heart was beating on it's own, but not at a regular pace. They shocked him about four times and were able to stabilize him with a steady heart rate and blood pressure. They wrapped his head wound and prepared to take him for a CT scan. His heart was pumping steady on it's own for about 10 minutes. I walked outside and called my watch commander telling him, if I ever get shot, I want to come to California Hospital. I walked back in and watched as the began to wheel him out. But before they could even get out of the room, his heart stopped. More drugs, more electric shock, more CPR... they tried everything. But he died. I wondered where his mom was right at that moment.
I went back to the crime scene and notified the homicide detectives. By the time I got back, they had identified him as a gangster who went by the nickname Flirt. It's hard enough trying to imagine a gangster at 16, yet alone this kid waking up this morning having no idea he would die today.
As the detectives searched the area they found the above pictured graffiti about 10 yards from where Flirt was shot. Notice the 'K' next to his name indicating someone was out to kill him. No telling how long that graffiti had been there. But they made their intentions clear, and today, they followed through.
But even sadder is the fact that a sixteen year old getting shot in the head doesn't even make the news in LA, not on the evening news or even on the internet. That is how common place such violence has become in South Los Angeles.
http://code4.blogspot.com/2006_05_20_archive.html\
A Great Robbery Arrest
Yesterday was a very good day, and possibly my most successful day since I came on the job.
In our division, we have a major intersection that has been plagued with 'strong arm' robberies for the past several months. This intersection is one of our busiest for pedestrian traffic because of the four major bus stops on each corner where a lot of public transit commuters catch their bus or transfer busses. The robberies have been a major issue for our Captain and patrol officers have been reminded daily to provide extra patrol in the area.
Shortly after our shift started, my partner drove to the area specifically for this reason. While driving slowly up one of the side streets near the intersection, we heard the sound of a vehicles tires squealing. We decided to check it out and saw a car slam on its brakes, then speed up in reverse and then stop again. When we sped up behind the car to conduct a traffic stop, the driver jumped out, pointed at two kids running and yelled "They just jacked someone!" My partner and I chased the two kids across the major intersection and caught them when they realized there was no where to run. Over the next hour, while we were still at scene, we were confronted by three separate kids who all reported that the two we caught had robbed them that morning. In addition, we found some of the stolen property on both of the kids. We arrested them and took them to the station. One was 16 years old, the other 12.
My partner and I were feeling pretty good because we knew we had just caught robbery suspects in the area where so many robberies had been committed. We knew it was a significant arrest. What we didn't know, is just how significant the arrests would turn out to be.
While we were booking the two juveniles, I had some time to sit and talk with them while my partner was taking care of some paper work. I asked the twelve year old if he knew "Flirt," the gangster that was shot in the head this past Monday and who I wrote about in my post a couple days ago. To my surprise, he told me they were friends, and he went on to tell me a lengthy detailed account of how the murder went down, and which gang killed him. Once we finished booking them, I immediately went to the supervising homicide detective and told him everything our arrestee told me about the murder. He then called in the investigating homicide detectives to interview him. Turns out, much of the detail he provided the detectives was new information to them. It was great!
But as if that wasn't enough, once the homicide detectives finished interviewing him, our robbery detective sat down with him to talk to him about the robberies he committed that morning and then all the robberies that have occurred at the intersection over the last few months. To our surprise, our arrestee, who claims a crip gang in the area, went on to tell the detective that he and his "hommies" have been committing robberies at that intersection everyday for about three months. He went into great detail about who they robbed, what they took, and what they did with the property and cash afterwards. He admitted to committing well over 100 robberies at that intersection since he started doing it.
It wasn't until right then that we realized we caught two of the major players that have been responsible for the crime spree at that intersection and a major problem for our division and the citizens of our division.
I do realize that this kind of arrest was basically just being in the right spot at the right time, but my partner and I still felt pretty damn good for the part we had in it. And to our twelve year old gangster who manned up and was honest about what he had done, I give him some credit.
I spent eight hours with this twelve year old gangster, and I couldn't help but to like the kid. He was really cool to us the whole time we had him in custody, and with the length of time I spent with him, I was able to gain some insight into who he was. I could tell he was very intelligent. I could tell he was more street smart than any other pre-teen I have met while working in South Central. I could tell he was going to be a 'lifer'. And I could say with almost 100% certainty that he will be dead before he is 21. The thing about this kid was... He got to me. I saw someone that could have made something of himself if he had been given the opportunities. But it's too late for him. He is in too deep. And he has absolutely no motivation to do anything else but keep banging.
As we walked out of the interview rooms, his twelve year old hands cuffed behind his back, and me holding on to him with one had. I stopped him in the hall and turned him towards the wall and pointed to a bulletin board. The board had the words "Live by the gang, die by the gang" posted across the top. And underneath, a picture of each gangster murdered in our division since January 1st, 2006. Under each picture was the gangsters real name and gang name. I pointed to the last photo and told him "I don't want to see you up here." The name under the last photo was "Flirt".
The sad fact is though... I know I will see him up there. It's just a matter of time. It's just the life of a gangster.
thats right and we know the only thing that distinguishes a school is its high scores, those are highly accurate and can pinpoint exactly how much learning is going on,lol,, well i agree with some of what white flight is saying,, the gang problems are seriously picking up, i went to that latimes coroner report section and its starting to look like the early 90s,, its one latino killed by latino after another, out of like 30 homicides theres only like 4 blacks and like 4 whites getting killed,the only thing is that if you do like white flight and go to simi valley and anaheim hills you would also notice that the house prices nearly double,, and dont tell me theres no raza in those areas too, there was one armenian fool on the homicide list,, either way yeah that la weekly list is worst than the lapd list,, for one they have like 3 black gangs in the top 4 and 6 alltogether, if it was anywhere near reality there wouldnt be even one black gang on there, notice theres a westla bias in the laweekly list, historically and based on pure stats its obvious ws18st should be on the top of any gang list, mara should be there but i dont know how high, i would put florenica avenues tortilla flats hazard, what the hell are they thinking with cuatro flats maybe primera flats but not even them, i would put 38st, el monte flores, puente 13, pacas, thats ten right there and i think its about right, the problem though is that theres hundreds of gangs pulling one or two murders a year so none of those by themselves are a problem but all together its a serious disaster, i would have put harpies and mid city stoners and maravilla but they havent been doing too much lately, some areas are worst than others but again its not just one group you can pinpoint,, like compton lynwood paramount area, tortilla flats is the worst but all those small gangs putting in work add up to alot of violence, lwddukes kansas street even king kobras is in the mix, cvsegundo lwvsegundo, cvl36, soxlos, vineland boys, nhbz nhls bfth rst ns18 nsmara c14 vsls bvns,, that area is pretty hot,, look at nela which is not as bad as the early 90s but not far from being there, in that small area theres at least 15 gangs and 5 hardcore ones,, avenues rascals frogtown toonerville cypress parque glassell parque highland parque dogtown nela13 el sereno locke st elsereno rifa and i think la mirada locos, i wont mention silver lake 13, descanso tiny winos, angelino heights, and aztlan13 because they were only like 20 deep each, in the avenues hood they used get used to get sniperd at in the hilly streets all in aves territory, they would get on the roofs of an apartment building which had a view of like a 9 block radius, so they could see a cop 4 streets down driving up the hill and just open fire on him, and the cop couldnt tell where the shots were coming from so he would just bust a u and probably not come back that way for like 3 weeks, then in chevy chase parque you would find at least 100 hardcore tatted up heads with a small arsenal, the rascals would roll by every hour on the hour every night, sometimes there would be gun battles going on for 4 or 5 hours, they started happening again in other parts of northeast LA, so not to make it sound like whats going on now is relatively nothing compared to what it was like,,, so i guess the bottom line of what im trying to say is if you move into a house in a neighborhood assuming its going to be suburban bliss not knowing its actually atwater village, that wont erase the history of whats gone on there for years, not that you shouldnt try to stop it, i guess theres no excuse for the violence, okay peace later
former gangster
Yea guys your right on, I shouldn't even respond to the BS, sorry, I'll try to be a better citizen and Wallista. Thanks for the wake up call.
I did want to respond to Sgt Valderama's comments though, and I was wondering if this is the same Valderama gang cop that Tijuana Jailer talked about in some of his post's?
Sergeant Valdemar says:
"These gangs are growing and migrating into cities and towns across the U.S. and their aim is to first seduce and then destroy our children and our way of life."
Hey Sgt.Valdemar, this sounds a little paranoid to me, yes we have a serious gang problem that is spreading throughout the country, but according to your quote above there is some kind of organized plot and master plan to seduce our children and destroy our way of life?
Sounds like a movie plot along the lines of "Mars Attacks".
Yes the gang problem is spreading rapidly and the whole "thug life/gangster attitude" seems to be very popular with the youngsters today, but what has always bred crime and gangs and drugs and the whole lifestyle that entails?
Could it be something other than some evil conspiracy concocted by illegal aliens?
Could the root causes of the gangster lifestyle being more desirable than the 4 H club, Jobe's daughters, the boy scouts, or the high school/Rotary Club honor roll nominees, possibly be related to a massive disconnect between the youngsters of today and the so called "leaders of society" be they political, social, business, educational.
Could it be that gangsterism is fed by it's historical and traditional provider, poverty, racism, poor schools, a lack of public services, distain by the powers that be, lack of opportunity, a punitive and discriminatory law enforcement and justice system, a large immigrant population, you know, the usual suspects.
Do you Sgt Valdemar think maybe some of the above might have a causal effect on the spread of gangs? or is it just a question of closing our borders and getting rid of "illegal aliens"?
Well your the self proclaimed "expert" so maybe your right but when I clicked up the website address you provided,
http://www.veteransforsecureborders.us/feedback/feedback13
And then read this "Minuteman in a new suit drivel" I had first to recover from the shock of you, as a retired police professional, and of Mexican descent (I'm assuming) being part of this reactionary group.
They and you seem to paint all these immigrants with a broad brush as gang members, and parasites on our society.
I'm not a "gang expert" as yourself but I can say that in over 40 years in the Construction and Consulting industry and doing business in many US States, and living in LA and the Southwest and Mexico, I have met, worked with, and personally known thousands of immigrants, legal and illegal, and the vast majority (99%) have been hard working, family oriented, religious, and Patriotic to their new country.
Hey maybe some of them or their kids "fall between the cracks" but I have found that despite all the vitriol and prejudice they put up with, they (immigrants) are some of the most loyal friends one could have and as far as I'm concerned they are at present the backbone and future of this country.
Sincerely, (a semi expert)
dq
In a couple of generations "you" will be expected to speak Spanish to excel any part of Los Angeles.."Sad but True"..With Love,Los Angeles Resident..
Great quip DQ,
way too, too fuuny!
Don Quixote said
"Hey Sgt.Valdemar, this sounds a little paranoid to me, yes we have a serious gang problem that is spreading throughout the country, but according to your quote above there is some kind of organized plot and master plan to seduce our children and destroy our way of life?
Sounds like a movie plot along the lines of "Mars Attacks"."
I'd like to throw in...
1- Invasion of the Body Snatchers 1956. In the small town of Santa Mira, psychiatrist Kevin McCarthy investigates when patients claim their relatives are not "being themselves".
2- Earth Vs. the Flying Saucers 1956. "Illigal Aliens" invade Earth again, but this time it's an all out attack!
3- Invaders from Mars 1953. After young boy sees a 'meteor' crash in the field behind his house, he begins to notice the adults around him (including his parents, tios, tias, y abuelitos) acting "very strange".
It turns out that the humans are being controlled by giant green martians, who take orders from a tentacled head in a glass tank (Sgt Valdemar).
marty with the short pants (aka Jim)
And stop using my name you big thieven' dope.
When enlightened men go on arguing for a long time, there is a distinct
possibility that the question is not clear.
Voltaire, _The Age of Louis XIV_
The Brits know what's up with what:
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2036580,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12
You think Gringos mangle pronouncing the word "Surreno," wait till you see what the Brits do to it. One shudders to think.
Don Q. said
Could it be that gangsterism is fed by it's historical and traditional provider, poverty, racism, poor schools, a lack of public services, distain by the powers that be, lack of opportunity, a punitive and discriminatory law enforcement and justice system, a large immigrant population, you know, the usual suspects.
I have met, worked with, and personally known thousands of immigrants, legal and illegal, and the vast majority (99%) have been hard working, family oriented, religious, and Patriotic to their new country.
Well I am confused are we Latinos a bunch of gangsters because of all the shit our government has put us through.
Or are we mostly (99%) hard working honest people who can manage to find a job and go to church and avoid gangs.
And the 1% percent of Latinos who are in gangs because they are only group subjected to all the bad shit our government does to them.
I am really confused how 99% of Latinos are church going and work hard despite of all the discriminatory law enforcement.
marty with the short pants said...
Great quip DQ,
way too, too fuuny!
When enlightened men go on arguing for a long time, there is a distinct possibility that the question is not clear.
Hey look Don Q. likes talking to himself not that is "way too, too fuuny!"
I guess we should not be expecting too many British tourists in the city of Angels with this kind of news coverage. I guess the Brits also know that Hispanics and Blacks are bloody killers living in a city of violence.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2036580,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=12
Gang mayhem grips LA
A bloody conflict between Hispanic and black gangs is spreading across Los Angeles. Hundreds are dying as whole districts face the threat of ethnic cleansing. Paul Harris reports from the epicentre of America's new urban warfare
Sunday March 18, 2007
The Observer
Father Greg Boyle keeps a grim count of the young gang members he has buried. Number 151 was Jonathan Hurtado, 18 - fresh out of jail. Now the kindly, bearded Jesuit mourns him. 'The day he got out I found him a job. He never missed a day. He was doing really well,' Boyle says. But Hurtado made a mistake: he went back to his old neighbourhood in east Los Angeles. While sitting in a park, Hurtado was approached by a man on a bike who said to him: 'Hey, homie, what's up?' He then shot Hurtado four times. 'You can't come back. Not even for a visit,' says Boyle, who has worked for two decades against LA's gang culture.
Boyle's Los Angeles, where daily slaughter is a grim reality, is a world away from the glamorous Hollywood hills, Malibu beaches and Sunset Strip - the celebrity-drenched city that David Beckham and Posh Spice will soon make their home. Boyle's Los Angeles is where an estimated 120,000 gang members across five counties battle over turf, pride and drugs. It is a city of violence as a new race war escalates between new Hispanic gangs and older black groups, each trying to ethnically cleanse the other. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, who has referred to his city as 'the gang capital of America', has launched a crackdown on the new threat.
don quixote said...
I did want to respond to Sgt Valderama's comments though, and I was wondering if this is the same Valderama gang cop that Tijuana Jailer talked about in some of his post's?
Orale ese you said you are an old veterano who learned the movidas at six years old and kicked it with carnales putting work in Lincoln Heights as a kid.
Shit you do not know who Sgt Valdemar is ese, we are going to have to take away your old cholo membership card. Anybody from any LA barrio knows who Sgt Valdemar is. Every EME member knows this cop.
LA Veterano
HEY WALLY CAN YOU SPILL SOME CHISME ON WHATS UP IN THE VARRIO EL SERENO, BECAUSE I DONT GOT OUT ON THESE CRUTCHES TOO OFTEN BUT MY SON TOLD ME THAT LOWELL STREET AND ROSE HILLS HAVE BEEN TAGGING UP AND DOWN LOCKE STREET AND WE HEAR QUETASOS EVERY DAY EVEN IN THE AFTERNOON, LAST NIGHT AT AROUND 7 OCLOCK PM SUNDAY WE HEARD A SHITLOAD OF GUNFIRE EXCHANCH AROUND LOCK STREET MAYBE 20 SHOTS FIRES FROM DIFFERENT QUETES AND IVE SEEN R.I.P ON THE WALLS ALSO, IT HASNT BEEN THIS BADD SINCE THE WAR BETWEEN LOWELL AND LOCKE STARTED IN THE 90S BUT APPERANTLY THEY ARE BACK AGAIN TELLING FROM THE PLACASOS ON THE CALLES, AND ROSEHILL IS CONSTANTLY ON THE PROWL IN EL SERENO LATELY..
Good choices JIM, "Invasion of the Body Snatchers, 1956", maybe my all time favorite sci fi movie, besides "Them", (Giant Ant Colonies that set up housekeeping in the storm drains of LA') which I watched being made as a kid in Lincoln Hts along the LA River.
Hey, a scary thought I just had, maybe the illegal aliens are also breeding in the 500 miles of storm drains under the City of Angels, shit that could be one of the areas where they're seducing out children and plotting the overthrow of our way of life!
dq
To the transplant from Chicago,
good luck finding a "new" place to live. Sarcasm aside, it is like this all over Los Angeles, Organe County, and don;t even set your sites on Antelope Valley or San Bernadino, even WORSE since all the black gangs who were ran out by the Chicano gangs migrated otu there. You can try San Diego, but as a recent visit proved, they are small in numbers but they are out of control Chicano gangsters as well. The shit is flying EVERYWHERE in Southern Cal. Try Montana. My advice? Buy a big frekain' weapon for home protection, or move out.
-A New Yorker who adjusted
Don Culo,
even without the reliance you have on gutter language to try and win an argument, you still come off as immature for an old vato who claims to be a semi-expert on gangs. the vato who talked about valdemar kinda pulled your covers as did i with the cop calling you did. YOU WERE RIGHT EARLIER TO THINK YOU SHOULD JUST IGNORE THE VATOS CLOWNING YOU BECAUSE RETALIATING, ONLY MAKES YOU LOOK DUMBER.
A SMART VATO CAN PLAY DUMB, BUT A DUMB VATO CANT PLAY SMART
Anonymous said...
In a couple of generations "you" will be expected to speak Spanish to excel any part of Los Angeles.."Sad but True"..With Love,Los Angeles Resident..
******
Only in AmeriKKKa can speaking more than two languages be seen as a sad thing.
ALRATO
SV VBS
I hope "flirt" is not that kids will gang name.....If not, LAPD officer just helped him get on that picture murdered broad. :(
marty with the short pants said...
I'm going to buy me some long pants my legs are getting cold.
hey chicago transplant do not move to el sereno either look what those crazy mexicans are doing over there. did you read the post below.
HEY WALLY CAN YOU SPILL SOME CHISME ON WHATS UP IN THE VARRIO EL SERENO, BECAUSE I DONT GOT OUT ON THESE CRUTCHES TOO OFTEN BUT MY SON TOLD ME THAT LOWELL STREET AND ROSE HILLS HAVE BEEN TAGGING UP AND DOWN LOCKE STREET AND WE HEAR QUETASOS EVERY DAY EVEN IN THE AFTERNOON, LAST NIGHT AT AROUND 7 OCLOCK PM SUNDAY WE HEARD A SHITLOAD OF GUNFIRE EXCHANCH AROUND LOCK STREET MAYBE 20 SHOTS FIRES FROM DIFFERENT QUETES AND IVE SEEN R.I.P ON THE WALLS ALSO, IT HASNT BEEN THIS BADD SINCE THE WAR BETWEEN LOWELL AND LOCKE STARTED IN THE 90S BUT APPERANTLY THEY ARE BACK AGAIN TELLING FROM THE PLACASOS ON THE CALLES, AND ROSEHILL IS CONSTANTLY ON THE PROWL IN EL SERENO LATELY
Marty buying some long pants
SV from the Valley Boys Society said:
Only in AmeriKKKa can speaking more than two languages be seen as a sad thing.
O yeah. there's gratitude for you."Bring me your sad, your ugly and illiterate. I will educate your children and feed your hungry bellies. feel free to desicrate this holy ground with whatever deviant means you invent. Criticize my tenets and values. Turn blind eyes to the love I lavish upon you. There's peace in the knowledge that you will eventually kill each other anyway and the Red Man can reclaim what is rightfully his....
Gava Joe watch out for this woman in Kansas she is a bad ass gangster
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/news/state/16902245.htm
Intense hunt for female fugitive heats up
Associated Press
KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A woman who police say may be involved in five homicides and recent gang violence has escaped arrest in part because people who know her are afraid of her.
And Kansas City police say they are concerned that Shauntay L. Henderson, 24, may be back in the city looking for other targets, after fleeing to Iowa to escape a murder charge. She may have shaved her head and begun dressing like a man to avoid arrest, police said Tuesday.
Police have submitted paperwork to the FBI, asking the agency to consider putting Henderson on their most-wanted list. If she is added, the reward for information leading to her capture would increase to $50,000.
Besides the five homicides, police believe Henderson may be involved in up to 50 shootings. Police say she and her gang affiliates are responsible for several of nine shootings believed to be gang-related that have occurred in Kansas City since Feb. 28.
Police say she has such a reputation that even her enemies won't share what they know.
"We've had people shot and they don't say a word, then we hear inklings she's responsible," said Sgt. Richard Sharp of the assault squad, one of several police units working to find Henderson.
Police had received no tips on Henderson until publicity this month brought in a few calls to police. She charged in a warrant last week with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.
Police believe Henderson may be after at least three more rivals. She may think some shot at her relatives last year or is targeting others because they were rivals of one of her closest friends, Steve L. Wright, Jr., who was recently sentenced to federal prison for three murders and other crimes.
Henderson is believed to be the leader of the 12th Street gang, which is linked with the 51st Street gang to make more money in criminal ventures, police said. Those two gangs are feuding with other gangs, police said.
"So-called tough gang members are doing her bidding and are afraid to challenge her or come forward," said police Sgt. Rob Hargarten of Kansas City's fugitive unit.
And Hargarten said Henderson's family has been "very uncooperative" in finding her.
Henderson was charged with second-degree murder in September. According to court records, she shot DeAndre M. Parker, 20, as he sat in a pickup truck in mid-afternoon in a convenience store parking lot.
Anonymous said...
Don Culo,
even without the reliance you have on gutter language to try and win an argument, you still come off as immature for an old vato who claims to be a semi-expert on gangs. the vato who talked about valdemar kinda pulled your covers as did i with the cop calling you did. YOU WERE RIGHT EARLIER TO THINK YOU SHOULD JUST IGNORE THE VATOS CLOWNING YOU BECAUSE RETALIATING, ONLY MAKES YOU LOOK DUMBER.
That old fool is too pendejo to shut his mouth. He thinks there is only one person telling him we are tired of seeing his bullshit posted on here. I guess he thinks nobody can find Wallys (Tony Rivera's) blog. He is to stupid to know that all the L.A. news blog use Tony Rivera for info on gangs.
Vato de Duarte
Speaking Spanish to excel in Los Angeles as "sad but true", was intended in reply to (White flight's) previous blog concerning low school grades and Spanish speaking children..White flight refered to "Our" low grades as "sad but truth"..When I said "you", I figured he'd catch that..I really dont think the KKK would want any part of me, sorry for the mix up...With Love, Los Angeles Resident..
Who the heck is Tony Rivera??
I thought the nom de plume was Tony Rafael? Aw well, different blog I guess...GJ
Thanks for the heads up, Jim.It sounds as though this is one very angry black wm.
I'm biting my tongue here. Wo'nt make one damned racist comment as I'm trying to mend my ways and greet life and all its denizens with wide eyed optimism. Peace.
One of Geraldo's wives??
GJ & DQ and the other messieurs in the band, names are being lifted by Mr. Grumpy Bear, I can only guess with humor that I have also managed (as DQ) to impart some disquietude on this poor man's life. Tony says he cannot read every post(hmmm?) and somehow Grumpy Bear is succeeding splendidly in using other peoples handles. So If something outrages or not so outrages is posted under one of my names you'll know to take it with a grain of salt, and likewise ditto the reverse. On the other hand we could give him the entire stage? That would be exceedingly tempting, you know let him have the whole playgroun to himself.
"3 down and 7 (0,000) to go"
:)
Yea JIM it seems Mr.Grumpy Bear is a "Talking Heads" fan, #1 favorite song "Stop making sense", his latest faux pas reminds one of Yogi Berra's famous Yogiism's
"I guess he thinks nobody can find Wallys (Tony Rivera's) blog. He is to stupid to know that all the L.A. news blog use Tony Rivera for info on gangs."
Hijo de la gran puta! that's classic but Grumpy Bears character stealing habits bring to mind some other "Yogiism's, especially fitting,
"Our similarities are different",
And when his fascination with me becomes overwhelming to him, in my case it's
"Half the lies they tell about me aren't true!", or
"I never said half the things I said!"
But don't give up the ship Wallista's, there's a couple of "Yogiism's" made to order for Mr. Grumpy Bear too,
"A nickel ain't worth a dime anymore!"
and some special advice for Mr. Grumpy Bear,
"When you get to the fork in the road, take it!"
Muchisimas Gracias, YOgi Berra!
Con Ganas Ranas
dq
Guard tells of councilman's night at hotel
A witness in the trial of a Bell Gardens official accused of filing a false police report says the man was drunk.
By Charles Proctor, Times staff writer
March 17, 2007
A security guard testified Friday that he found a Bell Gardens councilman passed out drunk on the second floor of a downtown Los Angeles hotel used by prostitutes.
Another witness testified that he heard Councilman Mario Beltran call a woman a racial slur during the June 2006 incident at the Huntington Hotel, on Main Street between 7th and 8th streets.
Beltran, on trial at the Downey branch of Los Angeles County Superior Court, is accused of filing a false police report, a misdemeanor.
Prosecutors say he accused the woman of robbing him of his wallet and city badge to discredit her complaint that he had groped her and called her a racial slur that evening.
The woman, Sherrilynn Ridgeway, said she grabbed Beltran's wallet by accident during a scuffle in the hotel hallway.
Beltran has been on the Bell Gardens City Council for two years and said he works as a legislative aide to state Sen. Ron Calderon (D-Montebello).
Security guard Antonio Hines testified that after he shook the unconscious Beltran and nudged him with his shoe, he helped the councilman downstairs. Beltran then fled.
About 15 minutes later, Hines testified, two men who described themselves as police officers arrived and offered the guard and hotel residents a wad of cash to help find the councilman's city badge.
Philip Cohen, Beltran's attorney, said his client was highly intoxicated when he reported to police that he was robbed half a block from the hotel and did not knowingly give police incorrect information. Beltran now believes that he was robbed while passed out in the hotel.
Outside the hearing, Beltran declined to comment except to say that he had never been to the hotel until that night.
"I am innocent," he said, "and this legal proceeding is going to prove that."
Beltran appeared calm through most of the hearing but seemed to blush during some of the testimony.
The security guard said Beltran arrived at the hotel after 2 a.m. and went upstairs. Hines said he was not sure if Beltran was alone, but previous witnesses had said Beltran arrived with Ridgeway.
A few minutes later, Hines received a report of a man passed out upstairs.
He found Beltran on the floor, unconscious and heavily intoxicated, with his pants torn and pockets turned inside out, the guard testified.
When Beltran fled, Hines followed and saw him run to a car in a parking lot occupied by two men, he said.
Soon after, the same men arrived at the hotel and started knocking on residents' doors asking if they could help find the councilman's wallet and badge. "I'll give you $500 right now if you help me find the badge," Hines said one of the men told them.
Hines also testified that the men told at least one resident: "I can have 150 cops come up here and raid this whole hotel. We can … take all you guys down."
Beltran then showed up and insisted that he had never been to the hotel. "I said, 'Yes, you were, sir. I woke you up just a few minutes ago,' " Hines testified.
After a few minutes, Beltran and the two men left without finding the wallet.
Hotel resident Charlene Stratten testified that she heard Beltran call Ridgeway, who is African American, by a racial slur, saying, "Do you know who I am? I'm a congressman."
Stratten said about 10 to 15 minutes later Ridgeway knocked on her door. She was hysterical, and her clothing was torn.
She showed Stratten two wallets, one of which contained a badge. "I saw the badge and was like, 'Whoa! Get that out of my house! What is that?' " Stratten testified.
Cohen's cross-examination of Stratten was at times heated, drawing from the woman that she had been convicted of prostitution four times.
When she smiled in the witness box, Cohen loudly asked her twice, "Is this a joke to you, ma'am?" to which she replied, "No, sir."
Cohen moved for a mistrial, arguing that testimony was ranging far afield from the charge of falsifying a police report.
But Judge Daniel Lowenthal denied the motion, saying a police report cited two witnesses who had seen Beltran with two prostitutes that night.
Beltran's trial resumes Monday.
Now this is a story that's worth posting....
:)
Jim Said…………………….
GJ & DQ and the other messieurs in the band, names are being lifted by Mr. Grumpy Bear.
On the other hand we could give him the entire stage? That would be exceedingly tempting, you know let him have the whole playground to himself.
That sounds like a good idea messieurs if you all would wait until you actually have something new and interesting to add instead of repeating the same diatribes that would be splendid.
Au revoir,
Kansonian Mule Dispatch
OG SERENO said...
HEY WALLY CAN YOU SPILL SOME CHISME ON WHATS UP IN THE VARRIO EL SERENO, BECAUSE I DONT GOT OUT ON THESE CRUTCHES TOO OFTEN BUT MY SON TOLD ME THAT LOWELL STREET AND ROSE HILLS HAVE BEEN TAGGING UP AND DOWN LOCKE STREET AND WE HEAR QUETASOS EVERY DAY EVEN IN THE AFTERNOON, LAST NIGHT AT AROUND 7 OCLOCK PM SUNDAY WE HEARD A SHITLOAD OF GUNFIRE EXCHANCH AROUND LOCK STREET MAYBE 20 SHOTS FIRES FROM DIFFERENT QUETES AND IVE SEEN R.I.P ON THE WALLS ALSO, IT HASNT BEEN THIS BADD SINCE THE WAR BETWEEN LOWELL AND LOCKE STARTED IN THE 90S BUT APPERANTLY THEY ARE BACK AGAIN TELLING FROM THE PLACASOS ON THE CALLES, AND ROSEHILL IS CONSTANTLY ON THE PROWL IN EL SERENO LATELY..
1.SOME OF THE LOWELL AND ROSE HILL WRITING LOOK SIMILAR,AND ALWAYS IN THE SAME SPOTS.
2.GUNSHOTS HAVE BEEN HEARD HERE AND THERE,BUT SOMEONES BEEN SHOOTING UP IN THE AIR.
3.R.I.P. IS WRITTEN ALL OVER,DUE TO A YOUNG MAN THAT GOT BEAT UP AND ARRESTED BY LAPD HOLLENBECK DIV. OFFICERS,BUT FOR SOME REASON 7-8 HRS AFTER HIS ARREST HE WAS FOUND ON THE FLOOR IN THE HOLDING TANK BLEEDING FROM HIS NOSE AND MOUTH,HE DIED LATER THAT NIGHT.
SIMILAR SITUATION WHEN A MAN GOT ARRESTED IN RAMONA GARDENS WEEKS AGO.STAY TUNED!
4.EL SERENO IS NOT BAD AT ALL,COMPARED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY,LOOK AT THE CRIME MAP ON THE LAPD WEBSITE,THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THE BRUTALITY THAT GOES ON IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
COPS ALWAYS ASK WHY PEOPLE ARE NOT STEPPING UP AND HELPING POLICE,BUT HOW CAN THE PEOPLE HELP THEM OUT WHEN THE COPS BEAT A SON,NEPHEW,UNCLE ETC. ETC. FOR NO REASON. NOW IN THE CASE OF THIS YOUNG MAN HE WAS CHILLING AND POLICE ROLLED UP GUNS DRAWN AND THE KID BOLTED,WELL THEY CAUGHT HIM,THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A PAROLEE THAT LIVED NEAR BY,AND WHEN THEY SEEN THEY GOT THE WRONG GUY,OF COURSE THEY CAME OUT WITH SOMETHING TO STICK TO HIM,AS A MATTER OF FACT,THIS YOUNG MAN WAS BEING QUESTIONED IN THE HOLDING TANK BY AN OFFICER,SO THAT MEANS THE YOUNG MAN WAS FINE,BUT THE QUESTION IS WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THAT.
IT WAS ON THE SPANISH NEWS,52,22,34 BROADCASTED IT,BUT ENGLISH STATIONS WANT TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT.
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
In a couple of generations "you" will be expected to speak Spanish to excel any part of Los Angeles.."Sad but True"..With Love,Los Angeles Resident..
******
Only in AmeriKKKa can speaking more than two languages be seen as a sad thing.
ALRATO
SV VBS
1:17 PM
SV VBS
It's one thing to be Bi Lingual, I agree this is a good thing.
But it is a shame when you have to learn Spanish to order a Hamburger at Mc Donalds because when you order a cheeseburger in the drive thru you get home and find they gave you Chicken nuggets.
I agree if I go to a Taquria I should be able to pronounce Carne Asada, or Carnitas but if I go to Micky D's they should be able to understand me.
Would you want to have to order you Taco's in Cantoneese?
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT said…………..
I DONT GET IT,COPS BEAT UP A RAMONA GARDENS RESIDENT,AND THE ASSUMED FELON DIES,NOW IT HAPPENED AGAIN BUT THIS TIME THE COPS ARE KEEPING IT ON THE HUSH HUSH,WHY IS THAT WALLY?
Was that the drug dealing cholo that died while in custody at the Hollenbeck station? If it was then I am glad for the few sweet victories against the cholos pendejos.
But personally I only feel compassion for the innocent victims of the low life cholos, such as the woman (Laura Sanchez) and the young girl (Nelly Rodriguez) killed in the last few days.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homicidereport/2007/03/weekend_homicid.html#more
"Can't you make this come out on the front page of the newspaper instead of the war?" Laura Sanchez's nephew asked. "We have a war here."
It was the morning after Sanchez, 34, was killed by gunfire in the 4500 block of Long Beach Boulevard in Los Angeles at about 10:10 p.m. Sunday March 18. (See listing on main page).
Family members were setting up a shrine. Sanchez was the mother of five children, ages 5 to 19. The family offered pictures, not just of Sanchez, but also of her children. "She was a very devoted mother," said her sister-in-law, Adela Barajas. "Her house was the family hangout. We'd come over, and she'd cook."
Sanchez was on her way from a waltzing class that her daughter and friends were taking in preparation for the daughter's upcoming quinceanera. Her 17-year-old son was in the car.
When they parked at the curb, some men or youths drove by. They spotted the 17-year-old son, they fired, striking Sanchez. She died later at a hospital. The son was not hit. He was not a gang member, and police don't think the attackers knew him.
Barajas, the sister-and-law, explains how she told the rest of Sanchez's children the news. The 5-year-old had difficulty understanding; she explained that Sanchez had to leave to take care of a late grandparent. Barajas said wants to speak out publicly in protest, then began to cry. "I know I have to say something, but it's hard," she said. Anyone with information is asked to call Newton homicide detectives at (323) 846-6556.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homicidereport/
After the shooting, 16-year-old Nelly Rodriguez sat in the car, palms up, looking at her arms.
There were two bullet wounds in her forearm. She pressed her hands together. Then she squeezed her arms between her knees and waited for the ambulance.
A family friend, Rafael Rivera, 33, lay near her on the sidewalk. The shooter had come up on a bicycle as Rivera and Nelly were preparing to drive away. It was about 11:40 a.m. Saturday, March 17, at the intersection of East 31st Street and Stanford Avenue in South Central Los Angeles. (See entry below)
During the shooting, Nelly had screamed twice. After that, she made almost no sound, though her eyes remained open. When the paramedics lifted her, she uttered a small sigh.
Her mother, Leobarda Garcia, knows all this because she made a point to, she said. She questioned everyone, hungry for details of her daughter's last moments.
Garcia was at work when Nelly was shot. Only sometime after the shooting, when the family was gathered at California Hospital, did Garcia learn that Nelly's primary wounds were not in her arm.
Two bullets also had torn through her chest. They were barely visible, and did not bleed externally. Probably, Nelly herself never knew she had them, Garcia said.
Hours passed at the hospital. Garcia was allowed in the room once, and then a second time. She could barely look. Nelly was on a ventilator, her body swollen. "She always had this very thin face," her mother said. "But her face was so big."
The mother tried to go in a third time early Sunday morning, but found she couldn't bear it.
On Monday, a day after her daughter's death, Garcia sat in the living room of the family's home, surrounded by relatives. She was on the floor, wrapped in blankets, eyes wide, hair pulled back in a haphazard knot. The room was small, with almost no other furniture except some metal folding chairs. There were holes the plaster, a calendar and Christmas tinsel decorating the walls, a patch of dirt and some old mattresses in the yard.
For two days, the mother hadn't slept at all. Then, early Monday morning, she briefly drifted off, she said.
She dreamed that Nelly was with her, healthy and whole, and felt a deep contentment. "Then I woke up, and she wasn't here," she said.
To the Chicago guy who was asking about the top 10 gang list. Here in Los Angeles we need a top 500 list for gangs.
If a gang has only 40 members in your area and they kill one of your family members or prevent you from going outside of you house then that gang is on somebodys top 10 list.
THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY
BARRIO SAN FER,SAN FERNANDO CITY AND SYLMAR: BORREGO VALLE, JOKERS, HARDCORE FREAKS, YOUNGSTERS, LOCOS, CHICOS, PEEWEES, TINY LOCOS NEW CROWD,MID CITY BOYS, MACLAY BOYS, DUNAS, HOMEBOYS, MATANZAS SIDE LOCOS,
BLYTHE STREET, PANORAMA CITY: DUKES, NIGHT OUTS, RASKALS,CHICOS
PACAS, PACOIMA: PROJECT BOYS, PIERCE BOYS, HUMPHREY PARK BOYS, CRAZY BOYS, KNOCK KNOCK BOYS, SOUTH SIDE LOCOS, BROWN STONER LOCOS, PAXTON STREET LOCOS, LATIN RASCALS, VAN NUYS BOYS, VAUGHN STREET, GOLETA STREET, LEV BOYS, PACOIMA FLATS, LATIN TIMES, CRIMINALS, CAYUGA STREET, EL DORADO AVE, ILEX ST, PINNEY ST
DEAD END BOYS, PACOIMA
ARLETA BOYS
MISSION HILLS BOYS
SOL VALLE DIABLOS, SUN VALLEY
SUNLAND PARK LOCOS, SUNLAND
SOL VALLE VINELAND AVE BOYS, SUN VALLEY- NORTH HOLLYWOOD
BOYZ FROM THE HOOD, NORTH HOLLYWOOD-SUN VALLEY
WS CLANTON 14TH STREET, NORTH HOLLYWOOD:CRAZY ALLEY GANGSTERS
NS EIGHTEEN ST, NORTH HOLLYWOOD:MID VALLEY GANGSTERS,TINY VETS, PEEWEE WINOS
MARA SALVATRUCHA NS, NORTH HOLLYWOOD-NORTH HILLS- CHATSWORTH
NS ALLEY LOCOS, NORTH HOLLYWOOD
NORTH HOLLYWOOD BOYZ
NORTH HOLLYWOOD LOCOS
VANOWEN STREET LOCOS, VAN NUYS
BARRIO VAN NUYS:NORTH SIDE, SOUTH SIDE, DELANO STREET, CYCLONES, JOKERS, POOR BOYS, TINY LOCOS, TRAVIESOS,LOCOS
HASKELLS, VAN NUYS
CROOKS
VALERIO STREET, VAN NUYS: MIDGETS, LOCOS
TOKERS, VAN NUYS
SS RESEDA, WS RESEDA
CANOGA PARK ALABAMA STREET
BRYANT STREET, NORTH RIDGE
BROWN PRIDE SURENOS, NORTHRIDGE
BROWN PRIDE RAZA
SEPAS LANGDON STREET,SEPULVEDA-NORTH HILLS:PEEWEES, LOCOS, BOYS, SCHOOLYARD
COLUMBUS STREET, NORTH HILLS
VINCENT TOWN, NORTH HILLS
RADFORD ST, NORTH HOLLYWOOD
VARRIO BURBANK
SS ELMWOOD ST,BURBANK
WS LOCOS, GLENDALE
MISCELLANEOUS BARRIOS, AND CREW BECOME BARRIOS: CML, CMK, STP, MTLS,9700 BLOCK HUSTLAS,GRANADA HILLS DYP,129KLUMP ST, ELMER AVE, NS LENNOX, LOGAN HEIGHTS, TERRA BELLA ST, LAKEVIEW TERRACE, ORCAS,
NORTH EAST LA
TOONERVILLE, GLENDALE-ATWATER-TUJUNGA:JOKERS, LOS CRAZY VAGOS, NIGHT OWLS, LOMITA ST LOCOS, CHEVY CHASE PARK LOCOS, ATWATER LOCOS, DUKES, TOKERS, TINY LOCOS, YOUNGSTERS
WS THEE RASCALS, ATWATER
AVENUES AVENIDAS, EAGLE ROCK- HIGHLAND PARK- CYPRESS PARK- GLASSELL PARK- MT. WASHINGTON: CYPRESS CHICOS-ASESINOS-DREW ST, 43RD AVE, 50AVE, 60AVE, CYCLONES, NIGHT OWLS
HIGHLAND PARK
CYPRESS PARK
GLASSELL PARK
VARRIO NORTH EAST LOS ANGELES
EAST SIDE CLOVER, LINCOLN HEIGHTS
LINCOLN HEIGHTS
ROSE HILLS, MONTECITO HEIGHTS
HAPPY VALLEY
EL SERENO LOCKE STREET
ESR EL SERENO RIFA LOWELL ST
EAST SIDE EIGHTEEN STREET
HAZARDS
EAGLE ROCK TINY WINOS
TRES CANTOS
FADED BOYZ
MISCELLANEOUS:SURENOS, BOLAS, ATWATER VILLAGE
NORTH EAST LA
TOONERVILLE, GLENDALE-ATWATER-TUJUNGA:JOKERS, LOS CRAZY VAGOS, NIGHT OWLS, LOMITA ST LOCOS, CHEVY CHASE PARK LOCOS, ATWATER LOCOS, DUKES, TOKERS, TINY LOCOS, YOUNGSTERS
WS THEE RASCALS, ATWATER
AVENUES AVENIDAS, EAGLE ROCK- HIGHLAND PARK- CYPRESS PARK- GLASSELL PARK- MT. WASHINGTON: CYPRESS CHICOS-ASESINOS-DREW ST, 43RD AVE, 50AVE, 60AVE, CYCLONES, NIGHT OWLS
HIGHLAND PARK
CYPRESS PARK
GLASSELL PARK
VARRIO NORTH EAST LOS ANGELES
EAST SIDE CLOVER, LINCOLN HEIGHTS
LINCOLN HEIGHTS
ROSE HILLS, MONTECITO HEIGHTS
HAPPY VALLEY
EL SERENO LOCKE STREET
ESR EL SERENO RIFA LOWELL ST
EAST SIDE EIGHTEEN STREET
HAZARDS
EAGLE ROCK TINY WINOS
TRES CANTOS
FADED BOYZ
MISCELLANEOUS:SURENOS, BOLAS, ATWATER VILLAGE
EAST LOS ANGELES
EAST SIDE WHITE FENCE: THE HOLES
MARAVILLA:HOLLO, MARRIANA, FORD, GAGE, ARIZONA, JUAREZ, RASCAL,FRASER, HIGH TIMES, POMEROY, LOTT, MOERAYA,PROJECTS,LOPEZ, ROCKA
EVERGREEN ST
MICHIGAN AVE CRIMINAL/CHICANO FORCE:EAST SIDE 1ST ST, SOUTH SIDE
VARRIO NUEVO ESTRADA: THE COURTS, VILLAINS, LOCOS
EAST LOS 13
GERAGHTY LOMA:ROCKWOODST
LOMAS
YOUNG BOYS RIFA
THE LOTT
LORENA
STATE STREET
BREED ST
LAGUNA PARK VIKINGS
EAST SIDE KRAZIES
LIL VALLEY
HAPPY VALLEY
LIL EAST SIDE
INDIANA DUKES
CHOPPERS12
STONERS, BOYLE HEIGHTS
BOYLE HEIGHTS
AL CAPONE
PRIMERA FLATS:ES
CUATRO FLATS
8TH ST
CRAZY DOGS
EAST LA RIFA
CLARENCE ST
WINTER GARDENS
ES THE MOB CREW
CITY TERRACE
SENTINEL
ES SS VICKEYSTOWN
AVE OXFORD BOYZ
21ST MALDITOS
HICKS ST
OPAL STREET
CENTRAL LA/WEST LA
FROGTOWN RIVERSIDE
ECHO PARK
WS CRAZIES: MAYBERRY ST LOCOS
LA MIRADA ST LOCOS
DESCANSO TINY WINOS
BARRIO SILVER LAKE
WS AZTLAN
BIG TOP LOCOS
WS TEMPLE STREET
DIAMOND ST
WS ROCKWOOD ST
HEAD HUNTERS
WSXV3ST:HOOVER LOCOS, COLUMBIA LIL CYCOS, SHATOO PARK, COLUMBIA TINY LOCOS, HOLLYWOOD GANGSTERS, DIABLOS, LOCOS, PEEWEES, PICO LOCOS, BROADWAY 54TH ST TLS, SMILY DRIVE, ALSACE AVE, HAWTHORNE CRIMINALS,7TH BROADWAY GANGSTERS, KING BOULEVARD BOYS
DOGTOWN, CHINATOWN-HIGHLAND PARK-GARDENA
5TH&HILL
WS MARA SALVATRUCHA: LEEWARD, WITMER ST, ADAMS, PARK VIEW LOCOS, 9TH ST, CORNONADO, HOLLYWOOD LOCOS, PASADENA LOCOS
CRAZY RIDERS
ORPHANS
WANDERERS
WS CLANTON 14TH STUKES, JOKERS, TINY LOCOS, PEEWEES, MIDGETS, LOCOS, CUT DOWNS,25TH ST
CARNALES,WS SS75TH ST
WEST SIDE WHITE FENCE
WS THE MAGICIANS CLUB
VIRGINIA ST LOCOS
WS PLAYBOYS
DRIFTERS
EASY RIDERS
WEST LA
REBELS
WEST SIDE LOCOS
ALKOHILIC BOYS
ALLEY BOYS
WS ALLEY LOCOS
SOTEL
CULVER CITY BOYZ
VENICE BOYS
SANTA MONICA 17TH ST
STREET VILLAINS CYCLONES, LOCOS, TOKERS
INVASIONEROS
LENNOX:HOLLYWOOD BANDITS, LAX LOCOS
TEPAS
INGLEWOOD
WS CRIMINALS 99ST
HELM ST
SOUTH CENTRAL LA, WS, SS, ES
HARPYS DEAD END:5TH AVE,27, 25TLS, WILD BUNCH, JULLITTE ST BOYS, GRANADA HILLS
TINY INSANE KRIMINALS
ALLEY TINY CRIMINALS:TOKERS, SPOOKY LANES,KING BOULEVARD LOKOS, KING PARQUE, 37ST
WS PRIMERA FLATS
SC18ST
MID CITY:STONERS, LOCOS, HOBART GRANDES,33ST, PALMDALE LOCOS, OCEAN PACIFIC LS, LIL CRIMINALS, KINGSLEY DRIVE CRENSHAW LOCOS, CRIMINALS,LONG BEACH LOCOS
22ND ST:ES SS
GHETTO BOYZ:ESSC 27ST,LONG BEACH 15TH ST
38TH ST:ES SS
42 ST LIL CRIMINALS
40THST
WASHINGTON BOYS
SOUTHXLOS
36ST
ES, WS, SS PLAYBOYS DUKES, CHICOS LOKOS, CHICOS MALOS, 49ST CYCLONES
STREET SAINTS DUKES
MOJADOS
ES CLANTON 14TH ST
21ST ST
MUERTOS 102ND
SOUTH SIDE FLORENCIA: NEIGHBORHOOD DUKES, KILLERS, LOCOS WS SS, 85TH ST, 90TH ST EAZY BOYS, 68ST, 66ST, 75TH ST, MALDITOS, TOKERS, NIGHT OWLS, DREAM BOYZ, TERMITES, 64ST, MALOS
80TH ST
BARRIO 13 CHICOS
COMPTON THUG LIFE
88TH ST
DISGUSTO
LA RAZA:WS SS
KRAZY ASS MEXICANS
MEXICAN KLAN
HANG OUT BOYZ
ES 55 BUNCH
29ST
35ST
39ST
36ST
SOUTH EAST LA, HARBOR AREA
HUNTINGTON PARK LOCOS
LIVE OAK ST
CUDAHY 13 CLARA ST
MAYWOOD LOCOS
UNSTOPABLE MEXICAN KINGS
GARDEN VIEW LOCOS
ORCHARD ST
BAD ASS YOUNGSTERS
SOUTH SIDE PLAYERZ
KANSAS ST
DOGPATCH
EAST SIDE PARAMOUNT
PARAMOUNT AVENUES
SOUTH SIDE XVIII ST:ENANOS LOCOS
DEF BOYZ
COLONIAL WATTS
BIG WATTS
SSWATTS
HICKORY ST WATTS
VICTORIA PARQUE LOCOS
ES LAKEWOOD
SARZANA
VARRIO LA MIRADA: DEAD ENDS, CUT-DOWNS, DUKES, GRANDES
LIL WATTS
WATTS VARRIO GRAPE STREET
WATTS VARRIO FRONT STREET
COMTON VARRIO LA TRES 133ST
COMPTON VARRIO LA CINCO 155ST
CV 70ST
CV TORTILLA FLATS
CV132
CV118
CV TOKERS
COMTON LOCOS
CV LARGO AND 36TH
CV 119
CV117
CV ALONDRA
CV SEGUNDO
LYNWOOD VARRIO SEGUNDO
LYNWOOD PARAGONS
LWV CRAZY CATS
LWDV TRAVIESOS
HARBOR CITY
VARRIO CENTRO TORRANCE
NORTH SIDE REDONDO
KEYSTONE
BEAR ST
LOS NIETOS RIFA
BROOK AVE LS
ES 6ST LONGBEACH
ES9ST
LOS COMPADRES VARRIO 3 WATTS
ORANGE ST LOCOS NWK
DEATH CROWD LOCOS
SOUTH GATE LOCOS
WEST SIDE WILMAS:CST
EAST SIDE WILMAS:LST
RANCHO SAN PEDRO
SAN PEDRO PARK WEST LOMAS
102ND ST
THE BRATZ
LIL BOYS
DOMINGUEZ VALLEY
WEST SIDE LONGO
EAST SIDE LONGO
BARRIO POBRE
NS LONGO
HAWAIIAN GARDENS
VARRIO NORWALK ONE WAYS, DUKES, NIGHTOWLS,LOCOS
LA RANA
VICRORIA PARK NIGHT OWLS
CHIVAS ARTESIA
ARTESIA BROWN TRIBE
SSLAKEWOOD
PEACEFULL VARRIO NORWALK
FAMILIA
CLICA LOS PRIMOS
204ST,PEEWEES
CATSKILL ST LOCOS
ES TORRANCE, DIABLOS, LIL RASKALS
CANTA RANAS
HARBOR LOMAS
LAWNDALE
GARDENA:WS,ES
CARSON
SAN GABRIEL VALLEY
VARRIO PASA RIFA
NS PASA
VILLA BOYS PASA
KRAZY BOYS PASA
PASA LATIN KINGS
SS PASA
ES DUARTE
SAN DIMAS COLONIA PARQUE, LOCOS CHICOS
WEST COVINA
EAST SIDE DUKES
POMONA 12TH ST:SHARKIES
VARRIO MONROVIA
CHERYVILLE
SSPOMONA
NSPOMONA
POMONA MICHOACANOS
BOLEN PARK:NS ES
QUIET VILLAGE
WHITTIER DEAD END LOCOS
ROOKS TOWN
SS WHITTIER
WHITTIER VILLAGE
JIM TOWN
PICO NUEVO
PICO VIEJO
PICO LOCOS
RIVERA
JARDIN 13
ES KING KOBRAS
LA PUENTE
HACIENDA HEIGHTS
LIL HILL
SANGRA CHICOS
EL MONTE FLORES
EL MONTE HICKS
SS EL MONTE
EL MONTE HAYES ST
NS EL MONTE
BARTLETT ST
LIL HILL
HACIENDAXHEIGHTS
VALINDA FLATS
BASSET NIGHT OWLS
TEMPLE CITY
WS WALNUT
CLAREMONT
TOWNSEMEN- LA PUENTE
HACIENDA HEIGHTS
LIL HILL GANG
PUENTE TRECE TINFLANES
NORTH LA COUNTY, 661 AREA CODE
EAST SIDE PASILLO NUEVO, NEWHALL:ALLEY CATS, EIGHT BALL BOYS, LOCOS, TINY LOCOS, RASCALS, YOUNGSTERS, PEEWEES
SOUTH SIDE CRIMINALS
WEST SIDE LANCAS
CRAZY MEXICAN FAMILIA
WS VAL VERDE PARQUE 13 SMOKE TOWN,TINY LOCOS, MALDITOS
PALMAS13 DEADLY MINDS, CREATORS, YOUNGSTERS, KINGS
BARRIO CANYONES, LOCOS,STRANGERS, PLAYGIRLS
ORANGE COUNTY
FULLERTON TOKERS TOWN
LA HABRA CAMPO 13
WS LA HABRA
FULLERTON SUICIDAL GANG
MONOS
ANAHEIM JUNGLE CITY
ANAHEIM PENGUIN CITY
ANAHEIM JEFFREY STANAHEIM LATIN BOYS
FXTROOP
SANTA ANA 5TH ST, BROOK STREET, HIGHLAND
COSTA MESA
MALOS GANG
WS ANAHEIM
LA FABRICA
ANAHEIM DRIFTERS
CITRON STREET
PAULINE ST
LA UNA
ANAHEIM COLONIA
BOYS GANG
SANTA ANA DRIFTERS
LOGAN
ANAHEIM FOLKS
DEVIOUS HOODLUMS
BROWN NATION
BARRIO WALNUT
DOWN FAMILIA WICKED SOLDIERS
ANAHEIM PACIFIC
ANAHEIM BARRIO SMALL TOWN
LITTLE HOOD SANTA ANA COSTA MESA
MIDWAY CITY LOCOS
BIG STANTON
CROW VILLAGE
BUENA CLINTON
WEST MYRTAL
ALLEY BOYS
COMPADRES
OC CRIMINALS
ANAHEIM UNDER HILL
SOUTH SIDE HUNTINGTON BEACH
ALLEY LOCOS
CHERRY STREET
BAKER STREET BOYZ
SOUTH SIDE KRIMINALS
HEAD HUNTERS
GARDEN GROVE HARD TIMES
ANAHEIM TRAVELERS
BUENA PARQUE LOS COYOTES
EVIL KIDS SANTA ANA
ANAHEIM VERMONT ST
ES FULLERTON
ES 19ST COSTA MESA
WS VARRIO FORMING KAOS COSTA MESA
UNITED BY CRIME
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT SAID …………………………
2. GUNSHOTS HAVE BEEN HEARD HERE AND THERE, BUT SOMEONES BEEN SHOOTING UP IN THE AIR.
3. R.I.P. IS WRITTEN ALL OVER, DUE TO A YOUNG MAN THAT GOT BEAT UP AND ARRESTED BY LAPD HOLLENBECK DIV.
4.EL SERENO IS NOT BAD AT ALL,COMPARED TO OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY,LOOK AT THE CRIME MAP ON THE LAPD WEBSITE,THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THE BRUTALITY THAT GOES ON IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD.
I am really enjoying Wally’s blog. Someone asked if the person who died at the Hollenbeck station was a drug dealing cholo, well I guess the Hollenbeck resident has answered it for us. I guess the dead cholo's gang banging homies are writing his gang placaso in the barrio. I will have to go by and see what gang he was a member of and what placaso he went by. Damn those Hollenbeck cops are as bad-ass as the old Rampart cops. I wish some of those cops from Hollenbeck would come by and visit Temple and Diamond Street cholos in my barrio. They are fucking up our area big time.
I am so glad El Sereno is such a “good area” that it only has “brutality that goes on in the neighborhood" and random gun-shots. I think the name of the area should be changed from El Sereno to El Disparo since the gun shots are only in the air. But you know what goes up must come down.
I guess since we are Mexicans we are supposed to accept and be proud of our neighborhood because nobody was killed in the last few months. If this shit happened in Irvine or Mission Viejo white people would not put up with it.
Echo Park Resident
Was that the drug dealing cholo that died while in custody at the Hollenbeck station? If it was then I am glad for the few sweet victories against the cholos pendejos.
But personally I only feel compassion for the innocent victims of the low life cholos, such as the woman (Laura Sanchez) and the young girl (Nelly Rodriguez) killed in the last few days.
SO WHEN A COP BEATS DOWN A CHOLO, YOUR SAYING YOU DONT MIND?WHAT KIND OF EXAMPLE DOES A COP GIVE WHEN HE BEATS A PERSON UP?INSTEAD OF GOING AROUND BEATING PEOPLE UP FOR RUNNING,THEY SHOULD GO BEAT UP FUCKEN CHILD MOLESTERS,AND RAPIST!
WE LATINOS LIVE IN OUR OWN VARRIOS,
SOMETIMES THE GANGSTER CULTURE IS ROOTED DEEP IN OUR FAMILIES,ITS NOT LIKE WE ARE A VICIOUS RACE BUT THE PROBLEM IS THERE,AND TO HEAR SOMEONE CHEERLEAD FOR ANY POLICEMANS WRONG DOINGS IS STUPID, ITS LIKE HEARING A CHOLO CHEERING FOR A LAME THAT SHOOTS A KID BY ACCIDENT!REAL GANGSTERS/CHOLOS DONT SHOOT INNOCENT PEOPLE,IT HAPPENS BUT ITS NOT THE THING TO DO,THERES ALOT OF VATOS THAT COMMIT THOSE KINDS OF CRIMES,AND BELIEVE ME THEY DONT GET ANY STRIPES FOR THAT,IF THE LAME IS FROM A SOLID VARRIO,THEN HE GETS HIS FROM HIS OWN HOMIES.SO MOST "CHOLOS" STAND WITH YOU IN THAT SUBJECT!BUT ONCE AGAIN FOR A COP TO BREAK THE LAW IS WRONG!AND THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME,NOW PEOPLE HAVE DIED,AND THEY GET AWAYS WITH IT AND YOU WANT TO CHEERLEAD? HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT IN RECENT TELEVISED CARCHASES THEY HAVE DONE A FEW PIT MAUNUVERS,AND NOT ONLY DID THEY NOT STOP THE VEHICLE BUT INNOCENT PEOPLE GOT ALMOST HIT! COPS STANDARDS AND MORAL THINKING IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW!AND IF YOU WANT TO FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE THATS FINE,BUT NOT THE COPS NOT EVEN YOUR GOVERNMENT GIVE A FUCK THEMSELVES!! WHEN BLACKS GOT SHOT BY LATINOS IT WAS A MEDIA FRENZY!!!
TONY V. THAT IDIOT WAS THERE IN A JIFFY! GOOD PHOTO OPP! ROCKY D. SANG A GOOD SONG HIMSELF,MEANWHILE YOU GOT CRIMES OF THAT NATURE YOU SPOKE ON GOING ON.AND NOT ONE! NOT ONE! POLITICIAN HAS THE ANSWER,BUT I KNOW ONE! ITS CALLED PREVENTION!!
THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN IT! BELIEVE ME!! I TRIED TO DEVELOPE A ANTI-GANG PROGRAM,THAT WOULD TARGET KIDS FROM A CERTAIN AGE,AS A PREVENTION PROGRAM IT WOULD HELP REDUCE THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT JOIN A GANG,BUT THEY WOULD RATHER SPEND MONEY ON MORE POLICE AND PROGRAMS THAT KICK THEM SOME MONEY BACK UNDER THE TABLE.SO IN OTHER WORDS,THE RIVER IS OVER FLOWING,AND ITS THE SAME THING YEAR AFTER YEAR! BUT INSTEAD OF BUILDING A DAM THAT WOULD WORK FOR THE BETTER PART,THEY RATHER WOULD BUY SANDBAGS AND PUT THEM UP ONCE IN A WHILE JUST ENOUGH TO KEEP THE WATER OFF OF THEIR LAND! ALL THE WHILE WE ARE SOAKING WET UP TO OUR KNEES WITH WATER!HOPE IM MAKING SENSE SINCE IM RUSHING IT HERE AT WORK,WE NEED OUR NEW GENERATIONS TO RESPECT THE LAW,BUT WHEN COPS GO CRAZY AND GO OVER BOARD ITS HARD TO SHOW OUR YOUNGSTERS HOW TO RESPECT THE LAW.THERE FOR IT JUST ADDS MORE TO THE DISRESPECT OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
AND IT DOESNT MATTER,CHOLO OR NOT!
DRUG DEALER OR NOT! A PERSON HAS DIED,2 PEOPLE HAVE DIED TO BE EXACT IN THE HANDS OF OUR LAW.
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
Sick and Tired said...
It was the morning after Sanchez, 34, was killed by gunfire in the 4500 block of Long Beach Boulevard in Los Angeles at about 10:10 p.m. Sunday March 18. (See listing on main page).
Family members were setting up a shrine. Sanchez was the mother of five children, ages 5 to 19. The family offered pictures, not just of Sanchez, but also of her children. "She was a very devoted mother," said her sister-in-law, Adela Barajas. "Her house was the family hangout. We'd come over, and she'd cook."
Sanchez was on her way from a waltzing class that her daughter and friends were taking in preparation for the daughter's upcoming quinceanera. Her 17-year-old son was in the car.
When they parked at the curb, some men or youths drove by. They spotted the 17-year-old son, they fired, striking Sanchez. She died later at a hospital. The son was not hit. He was not a gang member, and police don't think the attackers knew him.
Barajas, the sister-and-law, explains how she told the rest of Sanchez's children the news. The 5-year-old had difficulty understanding; she explained that Sanchez had to leave to take care of a late grandparent. Barajas said wants to speak out publicly in protest, then began to cry. "I know I have to say something, but it's hard," she said. Anyone with information is asked to call Newton homicide detectives at (323) 846-6556.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homicidereport/
After the shooting, 16-year-old Nelly Rodriguez sat in the car, palms up, looking at her arms.
There were two bullet wounds in her forearm. She pressed her hands together. Then she squeezed her arms between her knees and waited for the ambulance.
A family friend, Rafael Rivera, 33, lay near her on the sidewalk. The shooter had come up on a bicycle as Rivera and Nelly were preparing to drive away. It was about 11:40 a.m. Saturday, March 17, at the intersection of East 31st Street and Stanford Avenue in South Central Los Angeles. (See entry below)
During the shooting, Nelly had screamed twice. After that, she made almost no sound, though her eyes remained open. When the paramedics lifted her, she uttered a small sigh.
Her mother, Leobarda Garcia, knows all this because she made a point to, she said. She questioned everyone, hungry for details of her daughter's last moments.
Garcia was at work when Nelly was shot. Only sometime after the shooting, when the family was gathered at California Hospital, did Garcia learn that Nelly's primary wounds were not in her arm.
Two bullets also had torn through her chest. They were barely visible, and did not bleed externally. Probably, Nelly herself never knew she had them, Garcia said.
Hours passed at the hospital. Garcia was allowed in the room once, and then a second time. She could barely look. Nelly was on a ventilator, her body swollen. "She always had this very thin face," her mother said. "But her face was so big."
The mother tried to go in a third time early Sunday morning, but found she couldn't bear it.
On Monday, a day after her daughter's death, Garcia sat in the living room of the family's home, surrounded by relatives. She was on the floor, wrapped in blankets, eyes wide, hair pulled back in a haphazard knot. The room was small, with almost no other furniture except some metal folding chairs. There were holes the plaster, a calendar and Christmas tinsel decorating the walls, a patch of dirt and some old mattresses in the yard.
For two days, the mother hadn't slept at all. Then, early Monday morning, she briefly drifted off, she said.
She dreamed that Nelly was with her, healthy and whole, and felt a deep contentment. "Then I woke up, and she wasn't here," she said.
11:31 PM
Both of these stories are very sad.For some reason the second one hit home for me , maybe because I have a daughter not much younger than Nelly.
There should be outrage whenever this stuff happens not just when it's a 4 year old little girl.
When Katlynn Avila was killed there was so much outcry, not just by the media or people of L.A but all over.You could even see the disgust on this blog.Alot of you guy's were calling for a death sentence on the P Stones or were waiting for the MM to issue a greenlight.( By the way , has that officially happened yet? )
But here you have 2 more innocent victims, a young mother and a 16 year old girl and there is no outcry , no threats of revenge, and no greenlight.Maybe because the Race of the shooter was not identified.If it turns out he was Black I'm sure there will be some revenge, but what if he is Mexican ? Will it just be chalked up as a kid with bad aim ?
There needs to be justice either way.An innocent victim was killed and that's that.If these kids want to join gangs and kill each other , fine that's their choice.But there needs to be justice either by LE or by the MM for the deaths of innocent children
sick and tired:
Damn, that's a thorough list. Thanks for that...
White Is Right said...
"But it is a shame when you have to learn Spanish to order a Hamburger at Mc Donalds because when you order a cheeseburger in the drive thru you get home and find they gave you Chicken nuggets."
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A BigMac is a BigMac here or anywhere else in the world. So I doubt that they get your order wrong at Mcdonalds. The problem that you probably have is that the person taking the order most likely has an accent that you don't like. But hey bro, it's not that bad. At least that person is trying and will get better at it with time.
Have you ever tried ordering anything in the Deep South? Now that's a challenge. But one of these days I'm going to learn their dialect.
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To my Red cousin. You surprise me. Maybe you should go back and read some of our history. Read the statement that was given during the take over of Alcatraz back in the day. And don't forget that Chicanos take pride in our mothers bloodline.
Alrato
SV VBS
SV VBS said...
Have you ever tried ordering anything in the Deep South? Now that's a challenge. But one of these days I'm going to learn their dialect.
The dialect is called E-n-g-l-i-s-h.Please do learn it and teach it to some of your homies that work at Mc Donalds so they get my order right next time , bro.
White Is right said...
SV VBS said...
Have you ever tried ordering anything in the Deep South? Now that's a challenge. But one of these days I'm going to learn their dialect.
The dialect is called E-n-g-l-i-s-h.
Au contraire White I R,
it is called southern drawl.
Difficult to decipher.
Put dunce hat back on, White Is Right, and pull up your zipper.
"SIck and Tried"
Not to be a critical A-O but you know there is way more gangs than that. Your missing a lot and some of the ones you posted dont even exist anylonger or only have like 3 members active. The SFV ones look pretty correct but a lot of out of commission and have been unheard of. The ones you posted, a large majority are wrong in reference to their names. The way you posted them, a lot of those gangs really dont even exist. If a gang member from that neighborhood saw the way you posted the gang, he would be very upset until you correct the errors. I'm not even happy with the way you posted them. Just a FYI
:)
Hollenbeck resident said ……
SO WHEN A COP BEATS DOWN A CHOLO, YOUR SAYING YOU DONT MIND? WHAT KIND OF EXAMPLE DOES A COP GIVE WHEN HE BEATS A PERSON UP? INSTEAD OF GOING AROUND BEATING PEOPLE UP FOR RUNNING,THEY SHOULD GO BEAT UP FUCKEN CHILD MOLESTERS,AND RAPIST! WE LATINOS LIVE IN OUR OWN VARRIOS,
Sick and tired said……
If you are gang banging fool then you should not expect sympathy from the people who are your victims. If my kids are harassed at school and cannot safely play outside because of you then hell yes, you deserve a beat down. Incase you have not noticed we latinos are the victims of the cholos.
Hollenbeck resident said ……
SOMETIMES THE GANGSTER CULTURE IS ROOTED DEEP IN OUR FAMILIES,ITS NOT LIKE WE ARE A VICIOUS RACE BUT THE PROBLEM IS THERE,AND TO HEAR SOMEONE CHEERLEAD FOR ANY POLICEMANS WRONG DOINGS IS STUPID, ITS LIKE HEARING A CHOLO CHEERING FOR A LAME THAT SHOOTS A KID BY ACCIDENT! REAL GANGSTERS/CHOLOS DONT SHOOT INNOCENT PEOPLE,IT HAPPENS BUT ITS NOT THE THING TO DO,THERES ALOT OF VATOS THAT COMMIT THOSE KINDS OF CRIMES,AND BELIEVE ME THEY DONT GET ANY STRIPES FOR THAT,IF THE LAME IS FROM A SOLID VARRIO,THEN HE GETS HIS FROM HIS OWN HOMIES.SO MOST "CHOLOS" STAND WITH YOU IN THAT SUBJECT!BUT ONCE AGAIN FOR A COP TO BREAK THE LAW IS WRONG!
Sick and tired said……
If you were a “deep rooted” child molester I am supposed to accept your behavior? You say “Real Gangster Cholos” don’t shoot innocent people, well go to tell that to the young victim’s families. I can find many young innocent girls in the LA times homicide report or the LAPD website who were killed by the “Unreal gangsters”. So if a cholo kills an innocent 9 year old girl he does not get any stripes and that is supposed to be their punishment?
Hollenbeck resident said ……
AND THEY DO IT ALL THE TIME,NOW PEOPLE HAVE DIED,AND THEY GET AWAYS WITH IT AND YOU WANT TO CHEERLEAD? HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT IN RECENT TELEVISED CARCHASES THEY HAVE DONE A FEW PIT MAUNUVERS,AND NOT ONLY DID THEY NOT STOP THE VEHICLE BUT INNOCENT PEOPLE GOT ALMOST HIT! COPS STANDARDS AND MORAL THINKING IS AT AN ALL TIME LOW!AND IF YOU WANT TO FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE THATS FINE,BUT NOT THE COPS NOT EVEN YOUR GOVERNMENT GIVE A FUCK THEMSELVES!! WHEN BLACKS GOT SHOT BY LATINOS IT WAS A MEDIA FRENZY!!!
Sick and tired said……
How many cholos have died in police custody, is it in the hundreds like the number of people killed by cholos. Have you noticed when a low life cholo kills someone we just seem to accept that as normal. Why are you not concerned when a cholo kills another innocent latino victim?
Hollenbeck resident said ……
TONY V. THAT IDIOT WAS THERE IN A JIFFY! GOOD PHOTO OPP! ROCKY D. SANG A GOOD SONG HIMSELF,MEAN WHILE YOU GOT CRIMES OF THAT NATURE YOU SPOKE ON GOING ON.AND NOT ONE! NOT ONE! POLITICIAN HAS THE ANSWER,BUT I KNOW ONE! ITS CALLED PREVENTION!!
THEY HAVE NO INTEREST IN IT! BELIEVE ME!! I TRIED TO DEVELOPE A ANTI-GANG PROGRAM,THAT WOULD TARGET KIDS FROM A CERTAIN AGE,AS A PREVENTION PROGRAM IT WOULD HELP REDUCE THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT JOIN A GANG,BUT THEY WOULD RATHER SPEND MONEY ON MORE POLICE AND PROGRAMS THAT KICK THEM SOME MONEY BACK UNDER THE TABLE.SO IN OTHER WORDS,THE RIVER IS OVER FLOWING,AND ITS THE SAME THING YEAR AFTER YEAR! BUT INSTEAD OF BUILDING A DAM THAT WOULD WORK FOR THE BETTER PART,THEY RATHER WOULD BUY SANDBAGS AND PUT THEM UP ONCE IN A WHILE JUST ENOUGH TO KEEP THE WATER OFF OF THEIR LAND! ALL THE WHILE WE ARE SOAKING WET UP TO OUR KNEES WITH WATER!HOPE IM MAKING SENSE SINCE IM RUSHING IT HERE AT WORK,WE NEED OUR NEW GENERATIONS TO RESPECT THE LAW,BUT WHEN COPS GO CRAZY AND GO OVER BOARD ITS HARD TO SHOW OUR YOUNGSTERS HOW TO RESPECT THE LAW.THERE FOR IT JUST ADDS MORE TO THE DISRESPECT OF THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
Sick and tired said……
Well that we can agree on. We and the news media should bring lots of attention to each and every person shot and killed in Los Angeles. Most shootings such as the two I posted earlier go unnoticed by most of the population. But why did you only worry about the cholo who died in police custody and not the hundreds of others who are being killed almost daily by the gang bangers of Los Angeles. Go back and read http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/homicidereport/2007/03/weekend_homicid.html#more
"Can't you make this come out on the front page of the newspaper instead of the war?" Laura Sanchez's nephew asked. "We have a war here."
It was the morning after Sanchez, 34, was killed by gunfire in the 4500 block of Long Beach Boulevard in Los Angeles at about 10:10 p.m. Sunday March 18. (See listing on main page).
Hollenbeck resident ………………
AND IT DOESNT MATTER,CHOLO OR NOT! DRUG DEALER OR NOT! A PERSON HAS DIED,2 PEOPLE HAVE DIED TO BE EXACT IN THE HANDS OF OUR LAW.
Sick and tired said……
It does not matter black or brown hundreds have been killed at the hands of stupid gang bangers every year in Los Angeles. But the cholos also fuck up our schools and the future education of so many Latino students. Any new Mexican kid who goes to school is quickly harassed and intimidated by Cholos and is recruited into a gang. Why do you think the only whites you see living in Los Angeles do not have kids in the LA schools. No white person would want their kid in the schools of Los Angeles. I see cholos bothering and harassing young girls walking home from school on daily basis. I see these cholos as child molesters so maybe the cops are beating up child molesters. So excuse me if I don’t cry much for the couple of cholos who probably got what they deserve.
Despensa White I R, but I don't have any homies working at fast food joints. I do however have a couple of homies that own some very nice restaurants out of state. One of those restaurants is very popular with the gueritas of a certain university who love to show us LA guys lots of love.
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Hollenbeck Resident I wish you luck in getting a program started. But as you can see from this blog, your intentions and your program will be questioned at all times. Helping keep our youngsters from making mistakes and staying out of jails seems to be pretty controversial.
ALRATO
SV VBS
If you create a program, I hope you hire some real professionals, educators, counselors, religious people, legit whoevers, just dont be a crooked ass organization like SFV's "Criminals In Showbusiness". These guys just go around crying for donations from big corportation and never spent the government issued money on what it was intended to be used for - they pocket it and assist criminals to transport drugs.
Dont hire a bullshiting religious undercover idiot like Blinky Rodriguez that's has a personal interest and criminal connection to EME members and drug dealers like Mario Corona. I would go into crooked ass Hector Marroquin's "NO-GUNS" and his Faketeen street - Cudahy- political licking activities, but i think you got my point. Your biggest fight is going to be the competition, political favoritism, and the under-the-table kick backs (material or non-material) that these well established interventionist organizations have been giving the local City and County Heads.
Good Luck!!!!
:)
POLICE OFFICE ARRESTED FOR KIDNAP AND SEXUAL ASSAULT
March 20, 2007
Miami Police Officer Arrested for Kidnapping and Attempted Sexual Battery
Filed under: News
Miami Beach police arrested a city of Miami police officer Tuesday morning, charging him with kidnapping and attempted sexual battery, both felonies.
New Times profiled the officer, 31-year-old Michael Ragusa, a little over two weeks ago, in a story about an unusual traffic stop that ended with another officer, Sgt. Larry Jackson, being Tasered. Jackson accused Ragusa of shoving him and ignoring his entreaties that he was a fellow cop. Ragusa had twice before been accused of excessive force during his three-year career.
Monday evening around 5 p.m., Ragusa allegedly called to a 31-year-old woman from his patrol car at 75th Street and Collins Avenue. When the woman approached, Ragusa dragged her into the car by her arms, according to a police report. He then drove three blocks north to an unlit lot where he exposed himself, according to the report, removed the crying woman’s pants, and tried to have sex with her. The woman managed to escape. She told police she did not know Ragusa before the incident.
Miami Beach police arrested Ragusa about six hours later.
As is standard procedure with incarcerated police officers, Ragusa was being held in solitary confinement for his safety at TGK jail Tuesday night, according to corrections department spokeswoman Janelle Hall. No bond had been set, according to court documents. –Rob Jordan
Mystery gunman disrupts assault in Wilmington
Officers are seeking a shooter who intervened in an attack by gang members in Wilmington. Three people were wounded.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/6588282.html
Two men who were attacked by armed gang members at a Wilmington coin-operated laundry Sunday night told police an unidentified man intervened and shot the antagonists -- and then disappeared, authorities said.
Police were seeking the man Monday, and said they believe he may have been defending the two men, one of whom had been shot in the leg, and would not be charged with any crime.
The unknown man shot a 16-year-old boy, who was in critical condition Monday at County Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, and an adult suspect, officials said.
Ricardo Garcia, 23, of Wilmington was taken to a hospital with a gunshot to the thigh, said Los Angeles Police Department Detective David Cortez. Garcia was released Monday and booked on suspicion of attempted murder, Cortez said. He said Garcia and the teen are members of the same Wilmington-area street gang.
Garcia and the juvenile male allegedly approached two men about 10:45 p.m. Sunday outside the Spin Cycle Coin Laundry, 317 W. Pacific Coast Highway, as the men waited for their clothes to wash, Cortez said.
"They asked them questions about what they were doing there," Cortez said. "They were very aggressive toward them. One brandished a handgun."
Police did not identify the men accosted by the gang members, but Cortez said one had recently been discharged from the Marine Corps. He was the victim shot in the leg.
Suddenly, another man approached and shot Garcia and the juvenile, Cortez said. Then, he ran away.
"We're not sure if he did it to defend the victims or if he knew the suspects," Cortez said. "He started shooting at the suspects. One is in critical condition with a through-and-through gunshot wound to his chest."
The wounded laundry patron was not seriously injured. He was treated at a local hospital and released.
Cortez said the victims expressed thanks for the mystery man's actions. "The two victims who were originally assaulted said that if it wasn't for the other guy, they would be dead," Cortez said. "They were harassing them. One guy told him he just got out of the Marine Corps, and pled with the suspects to leave them alone."
Witnesses told investigators that the suspects called out a gang name. The laundry is located on a border area between two rival gangs.
White Is Right posts are best read while listening to a midi file of the X-Files theme.
I have nothing more to say on this. Pass the Advill please.
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I know Cantonese that order tacos in Spanish..With Love, Los Angeles Resident..
The guy who ran away deserves an outstanding award. If they ever find him, I got a $10.00 gift certificate with his name on it for "IN & OUT Hamburgers". :)
Smiley Face :) said …………….
If you create a program, I hope you hire some real professionals, educators, counselors, religious people, legit whoevers, just don’t be a crooked ass organization like SFV's "Criminals In Showbusiness". These guys just go around crying for donations from big corporations and never spent the government issued money on what it was intended to be used for - they pocket it and assist criminals to transport drugs. Don’t hire a bullshiting religious undercover idiot like Blinky Rodriguez that's has a personal interest and criminal connection to EME members and drug dealers like Mario Corona.
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Poor Mario Corona I heard he was dealing drugs because of the racist and fascist government which did not him give him the educational opportunities given to White/Anglo Americans. Mario was denied health care, after work activities, a decent job. So he had to resort to being a drug dealing gang banging victim. I wish we could help out Mario Corona he was a poor Mexican exploited by the White/Anglo system of America.
Oh wait I made a mistake I just read this (http://the-tidings.com/2007/031609/mario.htm)
“Mario Corona is a graduate of Pierce College, California State University at Northridge and the University of Southern California, where he earned a master's degree in social work. While in graduate school at USC, he got permission to do his internship at an agency that works with gang wanna-bees and gang bangers in the San Fernando Valley.
All this hard work and achievement came crashing down Feb. 28 in Panorama City, when narcotics detectives investigating a drug house pulled over Corona's car and found a pound of methamphetamine hidden under his clothes. The Mexican native, who has a legal visa, could be deported or imprisoned if convicted.”
So Mario Corona is really just a greedy and ungrateful criminal from Mexico with a visa. So let us put this low life in jail and after he serves his time deport his ass back to Mexico. And to the IRS please make sure to seize any assets he acquired dealing drugs while here in the USA.
White Bread
Those coin operated laundry's get pretty tough when they are crowded, and only have a few baskets..Los Angeles Resident.
Wow, Mario Corona, All that schooling just to sling drugs?..You could have learned to do that at almost any neighborhood corner..Los Angeles Resident
Someone help me out on these questions??????
How in the F---K did Mario Corona get into USC with no papers?
Last time I look, all undocumented or illegal people (any country) can not attend a U.S. University without a student visa. How in the hell did this vato get in? There are like hundreds of high school graduating undocumented kids with straight "A/E/E" that can not even attend a local Jr. college or recieve a pinche penny in financial aid. What the f---k happened here?
If Mario Corona was here without citizenship, how in the f---k did he pay for his USC tuition? With drug money? Last known fact that I remember, foreign student's tuition is 3 times that of a california resident. Wally needs to get some paper pulled and find out who provided the scholarship money and allowed this pendejo to get into USC. Sounds and smells very very fishy to me. (excuse my french)
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Like I said before, a crooked agency signing off on some vatos MS internship degree. He probably sat there and hooked up with all the local hynas on Myspace.com.
While the rest of our LA city kids only dream of having a student ID number from USC, this pendejo is over here dealing meth and contributing to our kids abusing drugs and becoming addicts. Thanks ese for giving society a good example of a successful chicano. This vato deserves a Greeny. This CIS bullcrap agency seemed to glorify him and promote this type of pendejadas.
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Hollenbeck resident said ……
SO WHEN A COP BEATS DOWN A CHOLO, YOUR SAYING YOU DONT MIND? WHAT KIND OF EXAMPLE DOES A COP GIVE WHEN HE BEATS A PERSON UP? INSTEAD OF GOING AROUND BEATING PEOPLE UP FOR RUNNING,THEY SHOULD GO BEAT UP FUCKEN CHILD MOLESTERS,AND RAPIST! WE LATINOS LIVE IN OUR OWN VARRIOS,
If you get into a fight with the cops you might just get a beating and who knows what else. I am not sure what happened to the vato in Hollenbeck, but somebody fighting with the cops died in Covina. Do you expect the cops to go mano a mano with any body who decides to fight them? If one person shoots at one cop they are not going to respond with one cop, you can expect a swat team to come out looking for you. If I were a cop I am not going to get myself injured or shot by some pendejo. I sure the cops want to go home at the end of the day just like everybody else.
http://www.sgvtribune.com/news/ci_5476490
Burglary suspect dies at hospital
Officers used Taser on man during fight
By Ruby Gonzales, Staff Writer
WEST COVINA - A burglary suspect died Saturday after he fought with a West Covina police officer and a sheriff's deputy in a hospital emergency room, detectives said Monday. The officer used a Taser on the suspect and three other officers responded and helped to subdue him at the Citrus Valley Medical Center - Queen of the Valley campus. A sheriff's official said the man then was found to be unresponsive. He died while the hospital staff was giving him medical aid. Coroner's officials described the man as a Valinda resident in his 40s. They withheld his name because his next of kin in Mexico hasn't been notified. One officer received a bruised knee during the noontime incident. West Covina police didn't name the four officers and one deputy involved.
The suspect was arrested for allegedly trying to break into a house on Durness Street in West Covina on Saturday morning. West Covina police Chief Frank Wills said a witness saw a man trying to pry a window screen from a girl's bedroom. The man left when he was interrupted by the resident, he added, but police got a description. An officer stopped the suspect on Durness Street, Wills said. He was arrested and later complained of an upset stomach and dehydration. "Our policy is we don't book if there's a complaint of a medical problem," Wills said. The suspect indicated he was sick and wanted to see a doctor so the officer took him to the hospital, according to Lt. Dan Rosenberg of the sheriff's Homicide Bureau, which is investigating. "It was during that time he became combative and tried to escape. A deputy just happened to be there with a prisoner of her own," Rosenberg said. The West Covina officer and the deputy got into a fight with the suspect in the emergency room. The officer used a Taser on the suspect, who continued to fight, he said.
Three other West Covina officers responded and the man was subdued. "When they subdued him, they discovered he was unresponsive," Rosenberg said. West Covina police are conducting an administrative investigation on the incident and the procedures used by the officers. "From the preliminary investigation and witness statements, the officers handled it professionally," Wills said. "There's no indication mistakes were made and unreasonable force was used."
SV VBS said...
Despensa White I R, but I don't have any homies working at fast food joints. I do however have a couple of homies that own some very nice restaurants out of state. One of those restaurants is very popular with the gueritas of a certain university who love to show us LA guys lots of love.
SV VBS
The chow hall at Levenworth is not considered a restaurant, and you better check the bulge on those little gueritas.Are you sore after they show you LA guy's all that love or are you used to it by now?
SICK AND TIRED....
YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION,AS DO OTHER DO TO THEIR OWN,YOU GO BY YOUR EXPERIENCES AND I GO BY MINE,I THINK WE'RE ALL INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO SEE WHAT I MENT WHEN I WROTE THAT LAST POST,
US THAT DO LIVE IN THE VARRIO KNOW WHAT I MENT,NO ONE FORCES ANYONE INTO A GANG,THATS THE LAST THING A GANG WANTS ON THEIR TEAM,A HALF HEARTED HOMIE IS THE FIRST TO RAT ON THE REST,ALL THAT FORCING TALK IS A BUNCH OF HOGG WASH! THATS WHAT THE POLITICIANS WANT YOU TO BELIEVE CAUSE THEY KNOW THEY ARE LACKING THE FUNDS AND ACTIVITIES IN OUR SCHOOLS AND COMUNITIES THAT WERE ONCE THERE.THEY TAKE THE FOCUS OFF THEIR LACK OF WORK ON THE SCHOOL ISSUES,AND THE PARENTS THAT HAVE KIDS IN A GANG ARE ALWAYS QUICK TO BLAME THE OTHER BOYS OR GANGSTERS AT THAT,BUT NEVER DO THEY TAKE RESPONSIBILITY
FOR THEIR OWN CHILD THAT ARE COMMITTING THE CRIMES AND GANG AFFILIATIONS ETC.
AND THATS WHERE IT ALL BEGINS,SO IF YOU CAN REACH A CHILD AT AN AGE WHERE THEY STILL GOT A CHANCE TO DECIDE NOT TO JOIN,BEFORE THEY START GETTING INFLUENCED THEN YOU GOT A BETTER CHANCE,I WOULD EXPLAIN MY PROGRAMS AND PLANS IN DETAIL,BUT WHEN THEY WERE INTERESTED THEY WANTED TO USE IT AND RUN WITH IT,MAKE IT THEIR OWN,BUT THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS,I WANT TO EDUCATE KIDS,NOT TAKE THEM ON FIELD TRIPS AND GIVE THEM FALSE HOPES,I WANT TO STOP THAT CYCLE THAT GOES ON IN OUR YOUTH,ITS REALLY EASY BUT THE TURN AROUND WILL TAKE TIME.NO MORE EXCUSES AND LOOKING THE OTHER WAY,IF THIS CITY/STATE/COUNTRY IS SERIOUS ABOUT THE GANG PROBLEM,THEN WHY DONT THEY FOCUS ON OUR YOUTH!!!!!
THEY GOT MONEY TO LOCK THEM UP,BUT DONT HAVE ANY TO RUN A REAL PREVENTION PROGRAM? C'MON!!!!
BULLSHIT!! THEY DONT CARE!! DONT CARE!! ITS ALMOST LIKE THEY WANT THIS CRAP TO CONTINUE.
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
sick and tired said...
"If you were a “deep rooted” child molester I am supposed to accept your behavior?"
Is being a gang member the same thing as being a child molestor?
You say “Real Gangster Cholos” don’t shoot innocent people, well go to tell that to the young victim’s families.
Regardless of how distraught a victims' family may be, if it's true, it's true. One of the things discussed on this blog by it's more senior members, up to King Wally himself, is the Mexican Mafia edict of 'no drive byes'. Don't know what the true intentions of that rule was, but by design it eliminates innocent victims. Albeit, the rule is broken often, but not by the 'real gangster cholos'.
So if a cholo kills an innocent 9 year old girl he does not get any stripes and that is supposed to be their punishment?
As has also been reported on this blog, by senior contributors, violators of the no drive by rule who's bullet winds up taking the life of a young innocent are dealt with harshly in prison by the Mexican Mafia.
How many cholos have died in police custody, is it in the hundreds like the number of people killed by cholos.
One is too many, in either case. One innocent victim on the streets is too many. One police officer taking the law into his own hands, desecrating the constitution of this country, is too many.
Have you noticed when a low life cholo kills someone we just seem to accept that as normal.
No, I don't.
Why are you not concerned when a cholo kills another innocent latino victim?
Who isn't? Just where are you getting this notion that everyone here other than the people who believe cops should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want, without any supervision from the public, don't care about death? The death of innocents? Stop making shit up.
Sick and tired said……
It does not matter black or brown hundreds have been killed at the hands of stupid gang bangers every year in Los Angeles.
Why?
But the cholos also fuck up our schools and the future education of so many Latino students.
How?
Any new Mexican kid who goes to school is quickly harassed and intimidated by Cholos
Why?
and is recruited into a gang.
Likely because when it comes to the illusion of a prosperous future, the local gang was the highest bidder.
Why do you think the only whites you see living in Los Angeles do not have kids in the LA schools.
Because they have money. Public schools can be as safe as a nursing home, and rich kids will still send their kids to private schools. I replaced White with Rich because I don't know what you mean when you say there are no Whites in public schools. Poor whites are, and so are most middle class whites.
No white person would want their kid in the schools of Los Angeles.
Either would any Black, Asian, or Mexican person, as long as no money goes to the inner city schools.
I see cholos bothering and harassing young girls walking home from school on daily basis.
Funny, I see White kids doing the same thing in my neighborhood.
I see these cholos as child molesters
Well, as long as they're Mexican. If they're White, it's just 'boys being boys'.
so maybe the cops are beating up child molesters.
If so, and I'm working with your assumption that all cholos are child molesters, we should either write our congressmen and ask them to push for laws allowing police to beat the 'boys being boys' in the suburbs, too, or work on intervention for the cholo child molesters as we already to the 'boys being boys'.
then So excuse me if I don’t cry much for the couple of cholos who probably got what they deserve.
And, excuse us if we don't buy into the theories that cholos are child molesters, and anyone who believes that police should obey the law when enforcing it are in fact cheering on crime. It's a wash.
1:51 PM
Dear SNS (Still No Sense),
You are so full of shit. I speak to immigrants old and new all day long you stupid gringo. My wife has a couple of clothing stores in the Westlake swap-meet area and we talk to people in this area all day long. You should quit arguing with Mexicans who live in the area and know what happens first hand and not by reading some newspaper or listening to some old cholo supporter on this blog.
Any new kid who moves into the Los Angeles area is harassed and intimidated by the gangs in his barrio. I have talked to many new kids whose first words they hear and learn are “Que Rifas” The gangs in the downtown LA area are always trying to recruit new kids into the gangs. I don’t care what bullshit you and the Hollenbeck resident say. The cholos do NOT have some code of conduct when recruiting new gang members, if the kid is stupid or scared enough he will just about be forced to join a gang. I know this first hand by talking to kids and parents who live in the downtown L.A. area. I do not get my information second hand. My wife and I hear this over and over from the kids of our customers and employees. The new immigrants are surprised by the amount of gangs and drugs in the schools here in Los Angeles. So that is how gangs fuck up our schools in Los Angels.
I do not know what you read, but I talk to the kids in the schools to get my information. I hear from kids and parents who want to move out of Los Angeles because of the gangs in the schools and the gangs in LA.
SNS (aka pendejo liberal gabacho) please tell me how the two cholos who killed the 9 year girl Charupha Wongwisetsiri around Echo Park were dealt with by the older and honorable gang cholos. I did not hear about them being dealt with recently and I live in the area. Those two pendejos who killed Charupha Wongwisetsiri are still on the street gang banging you dumb shit.
I read about innocent people getting shot or killed every day. Do not be so stupid and say the cholos are being dealt with by EME members for shooting innocent victims.
And by the way when the police put cameras around MacArthur Park and got rid of the cholos selling drugs. The people who shop and live around MacArthur Park were not screaming about police harassment or invasion of privacy. I am sure you SNS (still no sense) are going to tell me about how we hated when the police did that as well.
I would like to personally invite you to Los Angels and bring your daughter so she can make some cholo friends here in Los Angeles. I am sure you want her to have cholo friends and learn about crack and gangs. And you should come visit those honorable EME members you speak so highly of.
HOLLENBECK said...
YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO YOUR OPINION,AS DO OTHER DO TO THEIR OWN,YOU GO BY YOUR EXPERIENCES AND I GO BY MINE,I THINK WE'RE ALL INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO SEE WHAT I MENT WHEN I WROTE THAT LAST POST,
US THAT DO LIVE IN THE VARRIO KNOW WHAT I MENT,NO ONE FORCES ANYONE INTO A GANG,THATS THE LAST THING A GANG WANTS
Mr.HOLLENBECK ,
Arent you the guy that was busted out a couple of months ago for being a rich kid that just wanted to kick it with gangsters?
I'm feeling bad listening to "White is Rights" shrill as usual complaints about his troubles ordering Death Burgers at McDonalds in English.
Hey "chicken nuggets" don't you get it yet? LA is a very multicultural city with over a hundred languages spoken in the LA school district. The opportunity to enjoy the foods and cultures of these different groups is one of the beautiful things we got going for us in LA. If you cant't hang then move to ???????
Shit WIR, sorry I can't think of anyplace at the moment where you might be able to order a wackyburger without running into a Mexican.
Maybe "Uruguay" the nazi paradise in SA? Our Prez "Bush" just "bought" 100,000 acres there during his SA trip a couple weeks ago.
Hmmm, good place for his fellow burgermeisters, Rummy, Cheney, Tom DeLay, Duke Cunningham, the late? "Kenny Boy Lay", Harriet "the secretariat" Miers,
Cheneys pregnant lesbian hija (artificially inseminated with Carl Roves personal Aryan sperm),
Carl Rove of course, Ossama Bin Laden, Ashcroft, Newt Gingrich and his new young wife, Rush "drug free" Limbaugh, you know, all the white (sic) kind of people!
Alberto Gonzales, the soon to be former AG and COndie RIce could be in charge of gardening and house cleaning of course. (good for appearances you know!)
It would be a great place for you WIR! Out of the Babel of toungues and the multi cultural and anarchistic society that is LA today.
Probably beat the hell out of "Canyon Country", cause the non whites are taking over there too!
Uruguay! with your own kind! SHit you could probably be in charge of Police Work there making sure to keep any non whites out of the new "Bush Country Estates" .
On the downside though you may have to learn Spanish since it's the "official" language there along with German.
que triste! what can a white boy do!
Al Ratito
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How shocking that this fucking mamone StillNoScript bad mouths the cops every chance he gets. This
from the same pendejo who hopes that the drug cartels take over our cities because he thinks they would be better off.
Quit arguing with this pendejo. He has shown his true colors and his extremeist ridiculous views. You can't argue logic with an angry emotional person, which StillNoScript obviously is.
In his opinion, if drug cartels run our cities, that's better in his opinion than the "oil cartels" who run them now.
How fucking idiotic is that?
Don Quixote is wondering if Valdemar is the same cop Wally and TJ Jailer refer to in their posts. That says it all about Don Q. He claims to be an old veterano, but he doesn't know who Valdemar is. He claims he was taught the movidas when he was a kid, then he cops to calling the jura on two cliques having a beef.
DON Q is a fucking citizen, a wannabe veterano, and has a fixation with gangsters. His talk is puro pedo. He has exposed himself. Eventually, the cream rises to the top, and the shit stinks. Don Q is full of shit.
I HEAR ALOT ABOUT WE SHOULD DO THIS AND THAT AND THAT POLICE ARE BEATING ON US BUT WHEN IS THE LAST TIME ANY OF YOU VATOS TOOK A NIEGHBORHOOD YOUNGSTER UP TO CHANTRY FLATS OR HIKING UP AZUZA, BARBEQUE AT YOUR PAD,OR WALKING DOWN COLORADO OLD TOWNE PASADENA, OR EVEN TO THE LIBRARY ON HUNTINGTON TO READ CHICANO BOOKS, THATS HOW WE KEEP OUR KIDS OUT OF GANGS, GO AHEAD AND TELL THEM HOW THE HOMIES SUFFERED AND MOANED WHEN THEY WERE SHOT IN THE HEAD OR ABDOMEN , TELL THEM ABOUT YOUR DOWN HOMIES WHO ARE CRIPPLED NOW AND ROAM THE STREETS ON THERE WHEELCHAIRS ALONE, TELL THEM ABOUT THE ONES THAT OVERDOSED ON HEROINE, AND THE ONES MISSING TEETH FROM TO MUCH COCA AND METH, GO AHEAD AND PULL OUT THE OLD YEAR BOOKS AND SHOW THEM HOW FIRME THE HOMIES LOOKED WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG AND THEN SHOW THEM WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY STAY IN THE VARRIO AND WHEN THEY SAY THAT IT WONT HAPPEN TO THEM AND THAT THEY WILL BE DOWN HOMIES THEN SHOW THEM THE FOTOS OF TRUE SUR SOLDIERS KILLED BY THERE OWN CAMARADAS BECUASE OF FALSE CHISME, LET THEM KNOW THAT NO ONE IS UNTOUCHABLE AND OLD HOMIES DO DIE TO AS WELL AS YOUNG, YOU GET THE POINT NOW, SO GO OUT AND SKOOL A YOUNGSTER BEFORE HE GETS IN THE VARRIO.
I guess WIR didn't like my idea of his moving to Uruguay (or SNS's ideas either!), with "his kind of people", too bad, I think he might be happy there, so now we are going to be treated to chorros of his anonomous babosada's. SHit I'm running for my bullshit umbrella quick!
On another note I read this article by Kermin Maddox in the LA Times where he claims the racial killings in LA are one sided it seems, and to top it off the Chicano leadership isn't addressing the problem, according to Maddox.
"Latino leaders' silence is killing blacks
L.A. is headed for a racial meltdown unless the two groups form a coalition.
By Kerman Maddox, KERMAN MADDOX, a board member of the African American Summit on Violence Prevention, a group dedicated to reducing violence in the African American Community, is the managing partner of a public affai
March 21, 2007
IWILL SAY PUBLICLY what many people are whispering privately in barbershops, soul food restaurants and church parking lots in South Los Angeles. If relations don't improve between African Americans and Latinos in Southern California, we are headed for a major racial conflict.
Sure, this is multicultural Southern California, where coalition politics is supposed to rule. However, anyone paying attention to what is happening here knows the accuracy of this assessment. Why are Latinos committing violent crimes targeted against African Americans — especially in one neighborhood in the Harbor Gateway area — and why aren't Latino leaders speaking out against them?
According to The Times, police statistics show that from 1994 to 2005, there were nearly five times as many homicides, assaults and other violent crimes committed by Latinos against African Americans in Harbor Gateway as by African Americans against Latinos.
One example of how out of control race relations have been in Harbor Gateway is the case of the 19-year-old African American man with no known gang affiliation who was killed by a Latino member of the 204th Street gang because the gang member was upset that an African American had defeated a Latino in a boxing match.
Three Los Angeles members of a Latino gang known as the Avenues were convicted and sentenced to life in prison in November for hate crime violations, including killing African Americans in an effort to run them out of predominantly Latino neighborhoods.
This escalating violence between Latinos and African Americans defies logic in so many ways. The two racial groups have had many similar struggles in Southern California and have coalesced around issues such as affirmative action, livable wages, justice for janitors and police misconduct.
Clearly, African Americans are committing violent crimes against Latinos as well, but there is little evidence that those crimes are based on race as much as they are for control of turf. And the notion that Latinos are killing blacks in an effort to "ethnically cleanse" their neighborhoods is extremely troubling. Many African Americans are especially perplexed because they remember that when we had the numerical advantage, African Americans did not target Latinos for murder to rid them from our neighborhoods. It would have been unthinkable.
African Americans throughout South Los Angeles have been asking: When are Latino political leaders going to speak out against these hate crimes? If a political coalition between Latinos and African Americans does exist, now's the time to show some muscle and make something happen. Yes, Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa went to Harbor Gateway and encouraged residents to get along, and he offered assistance from the city to help solve some of the socioeconomic problems that plague the area. And City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo proposed tougher penalties for gang members who commit hate crimes. But other Latino political leaders have been silent.
I suspect that if these hate crimes were being committed by the KKK against Latinos or African Americans, both communities would come together and condemn the violence as racist. Why not now?
Let's have House-Senate hearings sponsored by the Congressional Black and Hispanic caucuses, and special legislative hearings in Sacramento on the rise in targeted hate crimes. Let's have community meetings convened by the L.A. County Board of Supervisors, like those held about the crisis at the former King/Drew medical center. A few African American officials and some well-intentioned pastors and community activists cannot solve this problem; it also requires some heavy lifting by Latino political leadership. After all, what's the point in having a coalition if you can't coalesce and solve problems that are killing your constituent members?"
This to me sure seems a convenient lapse of memory and one sided view of things by Mr. Maddox.
SHit for years and even at the present, Civil service jobs "which are very black oriented" and the Blacks that run them, are basically spitefull, condescending and prejuciced against thier Latino clients, any Latino person who has had to deal with a "Black Civil Servant" will tell you about rude and dismissive behavior towards Latino's or any other "ethnic people" for that matter.
I have non Black relatives that are civil servants who tell me all the time about this kind of behavior by "Black Civil Servants".
There was first a very palpable rascism and rude behavior by a majority of the black community against all the ethnic communities of LA and especially Mexicans.
So in my opinion the Black Communties need to do some "soul searching" of thier own in regards to thier treatment and animosity towards other ethnic groups.
THis whole issue of the cleansing of Blacks from Mexican/AMerican neighborhoods is a lot more complicated than the Black Community is willing to talk about at this juncture.
There is two sides to this story but it seems the "Black oriented" view prevails at present which doesn't bode well for a solution other than a blame game directed at one group "The Mexicans".
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Alas, Don Culo can't refrain from going on a tangent about the republicans. Shut up already. Yada yada yada we know we know we know.
Shut the fuck up till you have some input that has some value to the blog. If we wanted political views we would go to political blogs. Calmate y callete menso.
Hey Wally
Since StillNoSense and Donkey Joto
have turned this blog into
"Liberals Speak Out Against Cops and Republicans"
do you know any blogs where they talk about whats happening with the gangs on the el calles?
SABEN QUE LOCOS, I TOOK A TRIP THROUGH THE LA YOU VATOS ARE SO PROUD OF...AND YOU CAN KEEP IT...FUCKING PLACE IS A SHIT HOLE...
I'D RATHER BE FROM SOME COASTAL CITY WITH QUIET NEIGHBOORHOODS...QUE LOCOS
Valdemar was that guy played "Fez" on That 70s Show, no?
DQ,
Your post on the problems between the blacks and hispanics was articulate and right on the money.
Too fucking bad that if a gringo had said the things you did about civil service blacks being rude you would label him as a racist you hypocritical motherfucker.
Shut up already. Yada yada yada we know we know we know.
Shut the fuck up till you have some input that has some value to the blog. If we wanted political views we would go to political blogs. Calmate y callete menso.
og sereno said...
I HEAR ALOT ABOUT WE SHOULD DO THIS AND THAT AND THAT POLICE ARE BEATING ON US BUT WHEN IS THE LAST TIME ANY OF YOU VATOS TOOK A NIEGHBORHOOD YOUNGSTER UP TO CHANTRY FLATS OR HIKING UP AZUZA, BARBEQUE AT YOUR PAD,OR WALKING DOWN COLORADO OLD TOWNE PASADENA, OR EVEN TO THE LIBRARY ON HUNTINGTON TO READ CHICANO BOOKS, THATS HOW WE KEEP OUR KIDS OUT OF GANGS, GO AHEAD AND TELL THEM HOW THE HOMIES SUFFERED AND MOANED WHEN THEY WERE SHOT IN THE HEAD OR ABDOMEN , TELL THEM ABOUT YOUR DOWN HOMIES WHO ARE CRIPPLED NOW AND ROAM THE STREETS ON THERE WHEELCHAIRS ALONE, TELL THEM ABOUT THE ONES THAT OVERDOSED ON HEROINE, AND THE ONES MISSING TEETH FROM TO MUCH COCA AND METH, GO AHEAD AND PULL OUT THE OLD YEAR BOOKS AND SHOW THEM HOW FIRME THE HOMIES LOOKED WHEN THEY WERE YOUNG AND THEN SHOW THEM WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY STAY IN THE VARRIO AND WHEN THEY SAY THAT IT WONT HAPPEN TO THEM AND THAT THEY WILL BE DOWN HOMIES THEN SHOW THEM THE FOTOS OF TRUE SUR SOLDIERS KILLED BY THERE OWN CAMARADAS BECUASE OF FALSE CHISME, LET THEM KNOW THAT NO ONE IS UNTOUCHABLE AND OLD HOMIES DO DIE TO AS WELL AS YOUNG, YOU GET THE POINT NOW, SO GO OUT AND SKOOL A YOUNGSTER BEFORE HE GETS IN THE VARRIO.
Oh Hell NO I am not going to do anything like that. I have never ever been in a library, why would I take a kid there. I do not have time to raise my own kids or help out with my nephew. The school and the government should raise and educate my kids and nephews.
The fucking racist and fascist government should raise my kids for me. It is the governments fault for not giving our kids a proper education. We Mexican people have been discriminated and oppressed for years and years. I can not make a difference in a kid’s life that is the responsibility of the White/Anglo racist government to do that.
Shit you post has made me really mad I am going to the refrigerator and get another Budweiser and complain about the whites again. Those racist white people are always fucking up our lives.
Are you that one and only mexican who would say shit like that, you do not understand. Are you that same one mexican who talks shit about me here.
Don Victima
Anonymous said...
DQ,
Your post on the problems between the blacks and hispanics was articulate and right on the money.
Too fucking bad that if a gringo had said the things you did about civil service blacks being rude you would label him as a racist you hypocritical motherfucker.
Great quip anonymous, I did not correctly read your second line the first time around. But now I read it again and laughed my ass off. That old fool is never going to shut up, the only thing to do is ignore his stupid ass. He is lonely for attention here. He expects every Mexican to ride along with his we are victim rants which he has repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. I already know we are discriminated we do not need it repeated every day.
Vato de Duarte
SABEN QUE LOCOS, I TOOK A TRIP THROUGH THE LA YOU VATOS ARE SO PROUD OF...AND YOU CAN KEEP IT...FUCKING PLACE IS A SHIT HOLE...
wally, this blog is a fucking shit hole now.
DQ and any other folks who have an interest in whats really going on should search the Fox LA site and they have some clips from their investigation in regards to the Black/Brown racial tensions. Funny thing is there are plenty of Blacks killing/shooting/victimizing Latino incidents that no one but a few media outlets have reported.
Right now there is a VERY nasty gang war off of Central Ave that involves the E/S 13st vs. BSP 30/Outlaw 20 gang, SS 38st vs. Pueblo Bloods gang, 42/43 Gangsta Crip vs. Hang Out Boys Gang, and many other Latino/Black conflict. Numerous Latino young men have beened gunned down. On the Fox site, you even have intereviews where Black gang memebers come out and say, "Fuck Mexicans" No hesitation and they go on and complain not only about Mexican gangs, but about MEXICAN BUISNESSES, FAMILIES, ETC. So this is much more than just gang politics.
You know what's REALLY funny. Don Q
rants and whines continually about the racist whites. If you check his past posts, you will find he used perjorative racial epithets toward blacks.
Typical of those who pull the racist card when it suits there agenda, and then bad mouths others that do it when it doesn't fit his agenda. if that isn't hypocritical then I don't know what is. His covers have been pulled, he has been exposed as a wannabe, and his status as a self-proclaime "semi-expert" has been debunked by those who know what's up.
He had some status here, and now he feels threatened. hence his continual pedo and whining.
TYPICAL.
Fugitive is turned over to Mexico
The reputed 18th Street gang member, caught in Huntington Park, is wanted in the slaying of a Zacatecas police officer.
By Richard Winton, Times Staff Writer
March 21, 2007
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fugitive21mar21,1,2399631.story?coll=la-headlines-california
An FBI-led fugitive task force has captured a reputed 18th Street gang member in Huntington Park who was wanted by the Mexican government in the slaying of a Zacatecas municipal police officer.
Odilon Carlos, also known as Odilon Carlos-Marquez, was turned over Tuesday to Mexican authorities by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials at the San Ysidro border crossing.
Officials said Carlos, 27, was taken into custody the day before by a team of FBI agents, Los Angeles police officers and immigration officers as he walked out of a market in the 6400 block of Santa Fe Avenue.
"This capture should send a message to fugitives from justice that crossing the U.S.-Mexican border does not provide sanctuary," said J. Stephen Tidwell, assistant director of the FBI's Los Angeles office.
Carlos' capture follows recent arrests, including one this month, by Mexican authorities of suspected gang members sought by Los Angeles-area law enforcement officials. Steve Garcia, a murder suspect on the Los Angeles Police Department's list of 10 most-wanted gang members, was caught March 2 as he was buying ice cream in Rosarito Beach, Mexico.
Carlos was described as a member of L.A.'s largest gang, the 18th Street gang. Officials said Carlos had been deported in 2005 after serving five years in prison on a 1999 felony conviction for possessing an Uzi automatic weapon.
On Dec. 28, he allegedly used a similar Uzi to open fire on three Zacatecas municipal officers, killing one and seriously injuring the other two, said Laura Eimiller, an FBI spokeswoman.
After the shooting, Mexican authorities searched for the suspect for several days but were unable to find Carlos in the rugged mountains near Zacatecas. The suspect was living in that city in central Mexico.
This month FBI officials were contacted by Mexican law enforcement authorities, who said Carlos had illegally returned to the United States and was living in the Los Angeles area, Eimiller said.
That information led the fugitive task force to the Huntington Park area, where Carlos' girlfriend lives, she said.
Jim Hayes, director of the Immigration and Customs Enforcement's field office in L.A., said that since January 2006, fugitive task forces working in the area have taken into custody 39 foreign nationals sought in their native countries on suspicion of serious crimes, including rape and murder.
Wow, hadn't been here in a week and the right wingers are on full attack mode on DQ and SNS.
Thanks "Related To The Sur" for that info on Fox News, I did catch their story on the news a month or so back.
Hey San Jo, I was just up in your neck of the woods the last 4 days. Where the hell are the Mexican's in the South Bay? Shit lot's of Asians, Indians and Persians and whites but where's the Raza at? I'm not totally serious as I did see some but a lot of the South Bay is damn nice, clean, makes Orange County look like the ghetto. I saw a few places in San Jose that looked like a big city.
OC HALF BREED!
Oh Hell NO I am not going to do anything like that. I have never ever been in a library, why would I take a kid there. I do not have time to raise my own kids or help out with my nephew. The school and the government should raise and educate my kids and nephews.
The fucking racist and fascist government should raise my kids for me. It is the governments fault for not giving our kids a proper education. We Mexican people have been discriminated and oppressed for years and years. I can not make a difference in a kid’s life that is the responsibility of the White/Anglo racist government to do that.
Shit you post has made me really mad I am going to the refrigerator and get another Budweiser and complain about the whites again. Those racist white people are always fucking up our lives.
Are you that one and only mexican who would say shit like that, you do not understand. Are you that same one mexican who talks shit about me here.
Don Victima
Chale homes. That is his attitude exactly. As long as he has it, he doesn't have to look himself in the mirror and take responsibility for his fuckups in life. of course, his life won't get any better because instead of making changes in his behavior or making better choices, he will take the easy road and play the blame game.
Es muy facile, pero no bueno por la raza.
OG SERENO what you propose is firme, but to many people here that could be interpreted as gang recruitment. So be trucha cause those indictments estan cabron.
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Right on DQ. Racist or not it's the fuckin truth.
The crazy thing is that mayates are really talking like that. And their community leaders are only pumping their people up. They want Latino politicians to speak out but are deaf to the fact that they HAVE spoken out about it. Innocent Raza have been targeted by Mayate gangs for a long ass time but you never saw us cry about it. Where were these chango leaders then? Have they ever said anything against it? They should count their blessings that Latino leaders are not out there inflamming passions like they are.
Like I have said here before, outside of the jail system this so called war is only fought by a few barrios that have mayate gangs next to them. But just like in prison, the moment that this really jumps off those pinche changos are gonna beg for segregation.
ALRATO
SV VBS
I got the boys together last wk-end. We grilled some Angus and the ladies made good sides. I brought up what I'd learned here In the Hat, about a pending race war, the arbitrary killings, the innocents dead, all the shit you face daily. It was illuminating for some, they showed concern, interest, others came with the same cacada you'd expect from closet racist rednecks.I wondered as I sucked down another longneck how any of them would fare on the mean streets coming from all this fresh air and open space. We really are all creatures of what we've been exposed to. I'm seeing a lot of frustration here, boys. There's got to be some answers besides retaliation and bloodshed. I wish you luck. God bless.
Ps Lighten up on the old fellas. Sometimes we bloviate, and the politics conflict, but we mean well.
Greetings to all!! For everyone's clarification, Sgt. Richard Valdemar is indeed the same LE gang cop I’ve referred to in earlier comments. A man of Christian beliefs, he loves his country, is concerned about our communities and possesses much childhood experiences with street gangs. Some of his early-year friends were gang members – some died, some went to prison, some straightened out and some became stellar members of our society.
Mr. Valdemar accurately states: “"These gangs are growing and migrating into cities and towns across the U.S. (It is indeed and ongoing phenomena - this Sureno “movement” – which you yourself observed, Don Q, not only in your travels outside of Southern California but even to Tijuana, Mexico!) and their aim is to"first seduce and then destroy our children and our way of life."
(Sgt. Valdemar makes no paranoiac mention about a ‘master plan’ or ‘organized plot’ but refers to the consequences of this “lifestyle” evolvement).
Many folks, especially those whose children are the product of the gang underbelly, try to look at the glass half full in viewing their kids as “victims” and “a product of their negative environment”. This is great …. this rehabilitation over punishment idea. I’m all for understanding the “reasons” for criminal behavior. But that doesn’t negate the consequences for criminal activity. As adult human beings, we must be accountable for our actions and preach this – accountability, responsibility, respect for human life, a drug-free environment, etc.
The blame game (accusing Oliver North, the Arellano-Felix Cartel, President Bush, Soupy Sales, or whoever one wishes to blame) does little to work to solve problems.
Sgt. Valdemar is a teacher who conducts classes throughout the United States. His classes are aimed at educating cops, teachers, parents and at-risk kids about the pitfalls of joining a street gang. The street gang is indeed seductive”, Don Q, and, as you well know, it offers an alternative to the family unit.
When groups like La EME recruit their soldiers, they “seduce” the “cream of the crop” – the most violent. To say that the following consequence is that the gang movement will (inevitably) “destroy our children and our way of life” is an understatement.
This has been transpiring before our very eyes and this “lifestyle” is now in it’s epidemic stages with no cure in sight. The following is a bio on Sgt. Valemar (retired).
RICHARD VALDEMAR
Bio: Richard Valdemar retired from the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department on March 30, 2004. For most of his 33 years with the LASD he was involved in combating L.A. Gangs. For the last 20 years he was assigned as the Sergeant supervising the Detective Division, Major Crimes Bureau, Prison Gang Unit.
Richard Valdemar’s extensive prior experience includes being one of the original twelve Deputies selected in 1978 to found and develop, what grew to be, the Sheriff’s Department‘s “Operation Safe Streets” anti-gang unit. His past experience also includes patrol and gang suppression assignments in http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50703East Los Angeles, and his home town, Compton. Before joining the LASD in 1970 he served three years as a military policeman with tours in Vietnam and Fort Huachuca Arizona.
Richard Valdemar is an internationally known expert in both traditional and non-traditional gangs. He has been a regular law enforcement trainer and instructor for the LASD Advanced Officers Gang School, California Gang Investigator’s Association, California District Attorney’s Association, California Narcotics Officers Association, the California Peace Officer’s Standards and Training organization (POST), the Los Angeles Municipal, and Superior Court Judges Associations, and numerous other agencies, colleges, and civic organizations throughout this country and in Canada. He has recently been an instructor for the National Correctional Institute, and the National District Attorney’s Association. Richard Valdemar has testified as a gang expert before California Senate Hearing Comities, the County and the Federal Grand Jury, and in numerous Superior and Municipal Court proceedings, including capital cases, in Los Angeles, San Bernardino, Orange County, Ventura, Contra Costa, Sacramento and San Diego Counties. In 1995 he was the prosecution’s expert witness in the federal RICO against the Mexican Mafia.
Richard Valdemar has been a consultant for the college textbooks, “Barrio Gangs” by Dr. James Diego Vigil, and “Gangs – A Guide to Understanding Street Gangs” by Dr. Al Valdez. He has been featured in training broadcasts on the National Law Enforcement Network and has recently completed training videos for LASD and the California Department of Corrections. He provided technical assistance and supervised the real Hispanic and African-American gang members used in the Michael Jackson music video “Beat It”. He was a technical advisor for the movies “Drug Wars – The Kiki Camerena Story” and “A Man Apart” staring Vin Diesel and Lorenz Tate.
Richard Valdemar continues to work on projects to serve and protect American young people and his brother officers. He is writing books on the early days of the OSS Gang Unit and working on other scripts and screenplays about the dangers of gangs to our way of life.
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Sgt. Richard Valdemar (retired)is an American hero (first and foremost) as well as a Chicano role model.
Peace .........
Tijuana Jailer
SABEN QUE LOCOS, I TOOK A TRIP THROUGH THE LA YOU VATOS ARE SO PROUD OF...AND YOU CAN KEEP IT...FUCKING PLACE IS A SHIT HOLE...
wally, this blog is a fucking shit hole now.
ACTUALLY, I THINK ITS JUST GETTING GOOD. ITS ABOUT TIME THE REGULAR GENTE FROM LOS STARTED EXPRESSING THEIR OPINIONS. THE BLOG HAS LOST SOME VERY VALUABLE CONTRIBUTORS LIKE TIJUAS, PALM HALL, WIL E COYOTE, ETC ETC. BUT AT THE SAME TIME NO ONE IS REALLY BUYING THE GANG SELLING, THAT USED TO GO ON HERE, HOOK LINE AND SINKER. ITS REFRESHING TO HEAR RAZA FROM LA TELLING IT HOW IT IS FOR THEM AS VICTIMIZED CIVILIANS OF LA GANGS, POLITICS, AND WHATEVER ELSE THIS BLOG WAS SUPPOSSED TO BE FOR.
I don't know if anyone really gives a damn, but what's up with this?
All of the major media outlets are dead silent on an extremely violent double murder of a young white couple by 5 blacks. The crime is so awful even describing it is sick.
These animals cut off the man's penis and killed him along with for four days raping the woman (and then killing her).
Please notice that not ONE major media outlet even mentions this. Keeping the lemmings chattering about Anna Nicole is SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT!
http://www.natallnews.com/printer.php?id=4258
The people that control our media are cruel and cunning. Don't think they just didn't notice this story. They intentionally ignored it. I hope that you all will tell all your friends and family about this MEDIA BLACKOUT.
related to the sur: can you link to that stuff?
All the Sureno gangs you mentioned have bigger beefs with other sureno gangs.
When it comes to gangs, the truth is that its always been more black on black or brown on brown in almost all of LA County.
Now in our city high schools, its a different story. Its a straight racial issue. However, wasn't it the same story in the 1960s, but against whites?
The racial fight in the valle, now that's an order straight from mosco and la eme who is from you guess it - san fern 13....blinky's favorite barbeque homies. :)
who is e/s 13 st?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20070321/cm_thenation/20070402lovato
How come we knew the multifarious White is Right was going to go on a typical psycotic binger of blog diarria, glad I had my caca proof bs umbrella.
I get a kick out of all the right wing true believers who are now screaming in pain and writhing around like whirling dervish's hoping for someone to develop a new spin on all the crimes and scams the Mero Shot callers of the GOP are being called on the carpet for.
Same old Nixon era bs I hear from them now "All politicians are crooked! and what about Clintons "blowjob".
If it wasn't so tragic, with all those soldiers dead or fucked up in Iraq while these Bush chueco, tartamudos, got over like fat rats financially in war profiteering scams, then it would be like Shakespears tragi/comedey "Richard III" with Bush screaming "a horse a horse, my kingdom for a horse!"
I got to get the hell out, take me to Uruguay!
Congress ok'd supoena power today for our own "Big Homies" and I hope the Feds pull a "Rico" charge on thier organized gang of criminal ass's.
Hey GJ was right this WIR does remind me of Retired Jerker who right after one of his lame ass blogs would post up about a dozen other phony posts
"You tell him Retired Joker"
"You the man RJ"
" You really got it going ese!"
"Retired Joker, your suave!"
Yea sure is getting familiar, like old times with the northern profe. aka White is right among dozens of others,
Never a valid argument or interesting post up, just your typical wounded "knee jerk reactionary".
By the way how come the Black oriented press always talks about some gang killing of a Black person and then labels the whole Mexican/American Population almost as cohorts.
Hey I think I can speak for most in the Mexican/American community when I say that any gang killing, racial or otherwise is a tragedy.
But in the case of the year long Pasadena Police cover up of Black Gangsters assaulting and killing poor hard working Mexicans or the cold blooded and racist murder of 3 year old Kaitlyn Avila, or the murders of the four young innocent Mexicans in So Central,ect; ect; We don't get the whole Black Community smeared as racist, uncaring, and racially motivated killers in the media and press.
Oh no! As Kerman Maddox describes the murders, "it's just a turf thing"
Hey fuck that, what's right is right, how come just the Chicano's are called racially motivated killers? sounds to me like there's enough blame to go around with everyone.
Maddox: "there's no outcry from the Latin Community"
Fuck no, their all too busy scuffling up a buck and feeding their families!
dq
Don Q-Estupido said ……………………..
This to me sure seems a convenient lapse of memory and one sided view of things by Mr. Maddox.
SHit for years and even at the present, Civil service jobs "which are very black oriented" and the Blacks that run them, are basically spitefull, condescending and prejuciced against thier Latino clients, any Latino person who has had to deal with a "Black Civil Servant" will tell you about rude and dismissive behavior towards Latino's or any other "ethnic people" for that matter.
I have non Black relatives that are civil servants who tell me all the time about this kind of behavior by "Black Civil Servants". There was first a very palpable rascism and rude behavior by a majority of the black community against all the ethnic communities of LA and especially Mexicans.
So in my opinion the Black Communties need to do some "soul searching" of thier own in regards to thier treatment and animosity towards other ethnic groups.
For Once I agree with Mr. Don Q-Estupido, why are blacks rude spiteful, condescending and prejudiced. Also why do blacks have to do that head shaking finger waving thing when you ask the black woman at the DMV a question. I wonder if the blacks are still affected by slavery because they were used as slaves thought North, Central and South America. Or is it because of the oppression and exploitation of the government, shouldn’t we be more forgiving and understanding of the bad behavior of blacks. Come on Mexicans lets give the brothas a break. Like Rodney King said “can’t we all just get along”.
I heard some blacks talking about Mexicans and they were saying some of the following prejudicial things about Mexicans. Those black sure are rude, condescending and prejudiced against Mexicans.
1) Mexican men will just urinate in public, and spit on the floor indoors.
2) Mexicans will write graffiti on every thing even the bathrooms.
3) Mexicans have a bunch of kids and they do not have enough money to take care of them.
4) Mexicans will throw out their old couch and bed on the corner of the street.
5) Mexicans drive old shit cars and even park their old shit cars on the front lawn.
6) Mexicans do try to learn to speak English and get pissed off when you do not understand them.
7) Mexicans men are always drunk and whistling and grabbing at women.
8) Mexican kids are always in gangs.
So in my humble opinion the Black and Mexican communities need to do some "soul searching" of their own in regards to their treatment and animosity towards other ethnic groups. And don’t you just hate people with condescending and prejudiced attitudes about different races and cultures. In the end we are all just victims of our government, environment and upbringing. And the beauty of Los Angeles is that we all have an opportunity to learn and enrich our lives because of this cultural diversity.
I wonder what I should have for lunch maybe some;
Carne Asada tacos, rice and a cold Tecate Cerveza
Ham Hocks, Corn Bread and a cold Malt Liquor
White Bread
with that gang roll call posted earlier, everyone searching one of those gang names on Yahoo will be directed here...
whats happening with the gangs on the el calles?
YO! Check your Spanish ese. That'd prolly be "los calles" - plural prepositionista....
Wow,You are wondering "how" did Mario Corona pay for his College?..A pound of drugs in his underwear would about cover that, dont you think?..Los Angeles Resident.
Mexican Gang members fighting Black Gang members is something that happens usually in jail..2 hard heads bump, then everyone else joins in..It was bound to spill over to the streets and become a serious conflict out here..May God help us all, alot of Innocent people and family member on both sides will suffer the senseless fighting..Most of the young men on both sides, deep down inside dont really want to hurt anyone, It's the few, that Influence the others..Sheep following the wrong Shepards..With love, Los Angeles Resident.
Anonymous said...
Dear SNS (Still No Sense),
Yes, Still can't debate my points, what is it?
You are so full of shit.
This coming from someone who insists that if we don't hold police to checks and balances in this country, and allow them to hold trial in the streets without jury, we are anti-police, pro child molester ,and whatever else you could come up with.
I speak to immigrants old and new all day long you stupid gringo.
Of course you do. When you're wearing a badge and you have a gun strapped to your waist. What the hell do you think they're going to say? And..you're the one calling me stupid.
My wife has a couple of clothing stores in the Westlake swap-meet area
So, you have a wife that exploits Mexican labor on the cheap. Why am I not surprised? What else?
and we talk to people in this area all day long.
Yeh, during their 20 minute lunch break.
You should quit arguing with Mexicans who live in the area and know what happens first hand
I'm not arguing with Mexicans who live in the area and know what happens first hand, I'm arguing with YOU.
and not by reading some newspaper or listening to some old cholo supporter on this blog.
A far better source than yours, the mantra of supply side economics and law enforcement.
Any new kid who moves into the Los Angeles area is harassed and intimidated by the gangs in his barrio.
Why is he intimidated? Couldn't he just call the police? Or, could it be that the police harass him, and his family, even more so; Thus making the gang the lesser of two evils?
I have talked to many new kids whose first words they hear and learn are “Que Rifas”
Either that, or "FREEZE!!"
The gangs in the downtown LA area are always trying to recruit new kids into the gangs.
Big fucking deal. What I'm more concerned with is the behavior of gangs, the full scale distribution of drugs, the availability of automatic weapons, the lack of jobs, the fact that public schools in these areas are underfunded and look like shit holes. If these things were fixed, the hard core members wouldn't have a pool to recruit from, and the gangs that still existed would probably function more as car clubs.
I don’t care what bullshit you and the Hollenbeck resident say.
Thank you. And, likewise, I could give a shit what you're saying, either. The same old tired mantra, 'let the police do their jobs'. Yeh, we tried that. I have a television. I remember April 29th, 1992. No thanks.
The cholos do NOT have some code of conduct when recruiting new gang members, if the kid is stupid or scared enough he will just about be forced to join a gang.
Because there is no where else to go. Thanks to our economic system.
I know this first hand by talking to kids and parents who live in the downtown L.A. area.
"Hey kids, I'm a cop. Do I look like a bad guy?"
(32 kids) "Noooooooooo.".
Again, what in the fuck do you think they're really going to tell you? You're an outsider, too.
I do not get my information second hand.
Then why not share that information with us? Because all we've gotten from you so far is indeed second hand information, direct from the police handbook.
My wife and I hear this over and over from the kids of our customers and employees.
These gangs must really have a stronghold over the neighborhood if that many people are confiding in the local grocer.
The new immigrants are surprised by the amount of gangs and drugs in the schools here in Los Angeles.
And probably more surprised when they realize their kids make up for about half of the membership of gangs in L.A.
Yeh, like L.A.'s far worse than where they came from in Mexico.
Get the fuck out of here, dude. You're tripping over your own lies, now.
So that is how gangs fuck up our schools in Los Angels.
No, it's the fucked up schools, along with the entire economy in general, which breeds the environment that gangs thrive in. Fix the schools, give them the money we give to big corporations, and murders will go down by 50% within 5 years.
I do not know what you read, but I talk to the kids in the schools to get my information.
Yeh, the 20 year old kids in the police academy. You didn't have to tell me that.
I hear from kids and parents who want to move out of Los Angeles because of the gangs in the schools and the gangs in LA.
And go back to Mexico, where it's three times worse? Stop fucking lying. You're ridiculous. Nobody said any such thing to you. There is no store that you and your wife own. You are a cop, you made all this shit up as a red herring to support your tired old, 1950s mantra.
SNS (aka pendejo liberal gabacho)
aka liberal gabacho who just outted you by pointing out the obvious fallacies in your points. Immigrants, mostly illegal, complaining about Los Angeles?? The reason they're here is because as bad as L.A. is, the Northern Mexico that the Spaniard Centro Mexico left them is fucking hell. No way are they complaining about the U.S. They're glad they're here. Would they like to do without gangs? Of course. So would I. Again, it's those who refuse to explore the root causes of gangs who, in my opinion, really want to see gangs go on. But there is no way the immigrants are saying the things you're claiming they are. If they truly felt that way, they'd go back to Mexico. I wouldn't want them to. This is their land. And, on that token, I wouldn't take advantage of their labor, either. The way that imaginary wife character in your concocted fairy tale does.
please tell me how the two cholos who killed the 9 year girl Charupha Wongwisetsiri around Echo Park were dealt with by the older and honorable gang cholos.
As has been reported on this blog in several instances, by Wally, Tijuana Jailer ( a cop...with Wally pretty much being as pro cop as you can get), the Mexican Mafia deals harshly with those who harm child civilians. I didn't get that from and 'old cholo sympathizer'. I got it here, at in the hat, from the front page.
I did not hear about them being dealt with recently and I live in the area. Those two pendejos who killed Charupha Wongwisetsiri are still on the street gang banging you dumb shit.
I'll take Wally and T.J.'s word over yours, considering that, as much as I disagree with them, they don't outright make up entire stories to make a point, the way you do.
I read about innocent people getting shot or killed every day. Do not be so stupid and say the cholos are being dealt with by EME members for shooting innocent victims.
My source on that is this very blog. Wally reported on an EME meeting where drive bys were banned, and also reported in a seperate entry that EME deals harshly with people that harm innocent children when they reach the joint.
And by the way when the police put cameras around MacArthur Park and got rid of the cholos selling drugs. The people who shop and live around MacArthur Park were not screaming about police harassment or invasion of privacy.
That's their choice. But the cameras wouldn't be necessary if we either legalized drugs or put more of an emphasis on the people who bring them into this country.
I am sure you SNS (still no sense) are going to tell me about how we hated when the police did that as well.
Nah. It's an non issue. I'll stick to pointing out how full of shit you are. So, what's your next emotional string tugging, fake story going to be?
I would like to personally invite you to Los Angels and bring your daughter so she can make some cholo friends here in Los Angeles.
Why? So they can hurt her? Is this all you do? You take the lowest of the low of the criminal empire in America, and constantly raise their threat to scare other Americans into supporting every fascist ideology that spews out of your mouth? Jesus Christ, do you not grasp the money trail behind gang violence, or do you just choose not to see it? Either way, I find it frightening that cops like you have resorted into wishing violent acts on people in order to get your agenda across.
I am sure you want her to have cholo friends and learn about crack and gangs.
She already knows. She can read. She knows more than you do considering that she can actually read the transcripts from the Iran Contra hearings, as well. Someday, you should have someone with a college education read it to you.
And you should come visit those honorable EME members you speak so highly of.
I quoted information provided by Wally, on various front page entries on this blog, to make my points re: EME, their 'no drive bys' edict, and how they've dealt with street gangster who've violated that rule and harmed children in the process. But, I see your point. You want me to meet some EME members so that they will scare me into running into your open arms and supporting your views. I'll pass, on both counts.
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
I DONT GET IT,COPS BEAT UP A RAMONA GARDENS RESIDENT,AND THE ASSUMED FELON DIES,NOW IT HAPPENED AGAIN BUT THIS TIME THE COPS ARE KEEPING IT ON THE HUSH HUSH,WHY IS THAT WALLY?
Below is the information on the “Big Cover Up” by LAPD from the LAPD website. Maybe Vasquez swallowed too much of the crack he was selling. Listen up crack you dealing fools do not swallow all that evidence it is not crackers but crack. This has been a public service announcement from a concerned citizen.
Los Angeles Police Department
News Release
Friday, March 16, 2007
Man Arrested for Selling Drugs Dies In Custody
http://www.lapdonline.org/newsroom/news_view/34982
Los Angeles: A 21-year-old man who led police on a short vehicle and foot pursuit went into convulsions while in custody at the Hollenbeck Police Station last Wednesday morning, March 14, 2007. Joel Alexander Vasquez died around 4:30 AM at White Memorial Hospital the same day.
“Vasquez was arrested for selling narcotics near Chester Street and Vaquero Avenue,” said LAPD spokesman Lieutenant Paul Vernon. “Unfortunately, it’s not uncommon for drug sellers to swallow drugs as a way to hide it from the police, and doing that can have dire consequences.”
Two police officers from the Hollenbeck Police Station saw Vasquez make a hand-to-hand exchange in the early morning hours. When they tried to detain him, Vasquez took off in a car. The officers pursued him for one block until Vasquez abandoned the car and ran.
The officers captured Vasquez after a short foot pursuit. He gave up without any resistance.
Once at the police station, Vasquez began having seizures and attending officers called paramedics. Vasquez died at the hospital about half past four in the morning.
Officers found two packages of marijuana and nearly $1,600 in Vasquez's car.
In keeping with LAPD policy, Force Investigation Division will investigate the death. The Los Angeles County Coroner's office will issue a report after conducting toxicology analysis.
OC Halfbreed
Judging from the people you seen Asians, Indians , Pakistani's it sounds like you were closer to Fremont or Milpitas but anyway there is a shit load of Asians all over the South Bay.
I don't know why you didn't see any gente around.You might have been on the South Side which is mostly gavachos.
I thought I read something a while back that said you were moving up here.Hit me up next time your on your way up.I'll show you where the best food is ( not Mac Donalds) the coldest bistos and I'll take on a trip through the Ghettos if that's what you want to see.
I agree with you, San Jo is a beautiful city.I don't know if that was supposed to be a compliment or a jab , but personally I can appreciate the fact that my town doesn't look like a damn slum.
The gangs the drugs the crime are still present.It's kinda like that old saying " Don't take kindness for weakness" that kinda applies here.Don't let the pretty face fool you.You can still get beat , jacked, or killed on any given corner here ( even on the South Side ) . The crime scene pictures just have a nicer looking back ground.
Don Culote said...
Hey GJ was right this WIR does remind me of Retired Jerker who right after one of his lame ass blogs would post up about a dozen other phony posts
"You tell him Retired Joker"
"You the man RJ"
" You really got it going ese!"
"Retired Joker, your suave!"
Yea sure is getting familiar, like old times with the northern profe. aka White is right among dozens of others,
Never a valid argument or interesting post up, just your typical wounded "knee jerk reactionary".
Dude What the fuck are you talking about? I don't cheer for myself and I always post with the same name.You are a very confused old man.Maybe your grand children should take the computer away you senile old fuck.And why do you still have a hard on for me ? I haven't addressed a comment to you in ages I really don't care to communicate with you, Don Q , Big Betty , Marty with the short pants or whoever you are today.
How come we knew the multifarious Don Culos going on and on a typical psycotic binger of blog diarria, glad I had my caca proof bs umbrella. I get a kick out of all the left wing true believers who are now screaming in pain and writhing around like whirling dervish's hoping for someone to develop a new spin on all the crimes and scams the Mero Shot callers of the EME are being called on the carpet for.
Same old Don Culo era bs I hear from them now "All politicians are crooked! and what about surenos "blowjob".
If it wasn't so tragic, with all those blacks dead or fucked up in Los Angeles while these cholo chueco, tartamudos, got over like fat rats financially in gang war profiteering scams, then it would be like Shakespears tragi/comedey "Richard III" with Bush screaming "a horse a horse, my kingdom for a horse!"
I got to get the hell out, take me to Uruguay!
Congress ok'd supoena power today for our own "Big Homies" and I hope the Feds pull a "Rico" charge on thier organized gang of criminal ass's.
Hey GJ was right this Don Culo remind me of Retired Jerker who right after one of his lame ass blogs would post up about a dozen other phony posts
"You tell him Retired Joker"
"You the man RJ"
" You really got it going ese!"
"Retired Joker, your suave!"
Yea sure is getting familiar, like old times with the northern profe. aka White is right among dozens of others, Never a valid argument or interesting post up, just your typical wounded "knee jerk reactionary".
White Bread
Mr.HOLLENBECK ,
Arent you the guy that was busted out a couple of months ago for being a rich kid that just wanted to kick it with gangsters?
BIG DOG,POR FAVOR!! THAT WAS SOMETHING SOME ONE ELSE STATED,NOT ME,ALL I MENT WAS THAT THE EXCUSE OF BEING POOR IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE
USE WHEN THEIR KIDS JOIN A GANG,BUT I KNOW REAL POOR PEOPLE IN MY VARRIO THAT BARELY HAVE ENOUGH TO PAY THIS HIGH AS RENT RATE,AND THEIR KIDS DONT JOIN A GANG!AND ONE GOES TO A UNNIVERSITY
ALL PAID FOR GETTING PRACTICALLY ALL A'S IN JR HIGH AND HIGH SCHOOL!
AS FOR ME IT WAS A BIT DIFFERENT,I LIVE IN THE VARRIO SINCE DAY 1,MY POPS AND MOM HAD FUCKED UP JOBS AND THEY SAVED ENOUGH TO BUY A HOUSE,NOTHING MAJOR BUT GOOD ENOUGH FOR US,I WAS NEVER IN NEED OF ANYTHING,MOM OR POP WOULD BUY IT FOR ME!THATS ALL,BUT WHEN I WAS SMALL I WITNESSED ALOT OF HARASSMENT FROM LAPD,ALOT OF THEM WERE WHITE IF NOT COCONUTS (BROWN IN THE OUTSIDE AND WHITE IN THE INSIDE)I SEE THE SAME THING HERE TODAY,BUT NOW WE GOT ANT-GANG UNITS,THAT ONLY HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL EDUCATION IN SOME CASES,AND AT THE SAME TIME ONE TIME GANGMEMBERS OR DROPOUTS TO SAY IT BETTER.AND THEY COME WITH THIS LOW STANDARD THEY GOT HIRED WITH AND ARE SUPPOSEDLY SUPPRESSING GANG VIOLENCE???? SHIT THEY INSTIGATE IT!!! WHEN ALL IS CALM THEY GOT TO STAY BUSY AND DO THEIR DIRTY WORK,SO WHEN WE ALL KNOW AND SEE IT,OUR YOUTH HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE LAW.
AS FOR MC GRUFF CRIME DOGG...
YOU MUST BE A COP! YOU BELIEVE THEIR WEBSITE? WHAT THE FUCK! IF THEY SEEN HIM DO A HAND TO HAND DRUG DEAL,THEN WHY WERE THEY LOOKING FOR A MAN WITH A GUN? AND THEY SEEN HIM DO THIS DEAL IN THE EARLY HOURS OF THE MORNING? SORRY WRONG AGAIN! ALL THIS HAPPENED IN THE AFTERNOON! ABOUT 6PM. AND HE DIDNT ABANDON HIS CAR,IT WAS PARKED. AND THE MONEY WAS HIS BUT IT WAS IN HIS CAR?,ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE,HE WAS NOWHERE NEAR HIS CAR,AND THE WEED BELONGED TO THE GUY THAT WAS ARRESTED ALONG WITH HIM,AND THAT GUY WILL ADMIT IT WAS HIS,AFTER ALL HE HAD IT.THERE IS A LONG LIST OF WITNESSES.
1.COP PULLS UP AND TELLS A GROUP OF GUYS NOT TO MOVE OR HE'LL SHOOT!
POINTED A GUN ON A PREGNANT WOMAN TOO!
2.HE WENT INTO SEIZURES HOURS AFTER HIS ARREST,HE WAS BLEEDING REALLY BAD.BEFORE THIS HAPPENED HE WAS BEING INTERVIEWED BY A COP.AND HE DIDNT DIE AT 4:30AM. PUT IT THIS WAY,COPS SHOWED UP AND THEY LEFT.HOSPITAL SECURITY WAS ON GAURD AND ASKING QUESTIONS,I THOUGHT HE WAS ARRESTED BY LAPD?
OH WAIT!!! HE WAS DETAINED,THEY HAD NO EVIDENCE TILL THEY CAME UP WITH SOMETHING.CAUSE HE SHOULD OF TAKEN HIM TO COUNTY USC JAILWARD,DONT YOU THINK?
3.HE WASNT EVEN A "CHOLO" LOOKED NOTHING LIKE ONE AT ALL,IN THE MORNING HOURS THE COPS WERE LOOKING FOR A PAROLEE IN A NEARBY HOUSE,THATS WHAT HAPPENED IN THE MORNING.
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
ONE MORE THING MC GRUFF!..
YOU SAID CRACK?? WHY IS THAT? THEY SAID THEY FOUND WEED IN HIS CAR.
HOW DID YOU GET CRACK IN THE MIX?
CAUSE IF IT WAS CRACK,ANY EXPERT WILL TELL YOU THE EFFECTS KICK IN QUICK,AND NOT HOURS LATER.
HOLLENBECK RESIDENT
Hey SrillNoScript,
I have a few questions for you that may shed some light on your numerous posts that seem to infer that the police are heavy handed.
These questions all pertain to people in Los Angeles.
1. What percentage have had their ass kicked by a cop?
2. What percentage have been shot by a cop?
3. What percentage have been arrested by a cop?
As much as you like to blame the man for the problem, I have some news for you. It's incredibly easy to keep from getting shot or your ass kicked by a cop. Even in LA County jail it's incredibly easy to keep from getting your ass kicked by a cop. If you are one of the very few, you had to do something to draw the cops attention. And don't give us that shit that it was because you were a minority or dressed like a gangbanger or any of that b.s.
If that was the case, every cop in the state would have to shoot people and kick ass all day every day.
If you get your ass kicked or shot by a cop, you've nade some really bad choices or refused to do what you're told by a cop who has legal standing to be giving you a lawful order. The reality is, it takes alot of effort and alot of defiance to get a hand layed on you by a cop nowadays.
Any veterano or long time cop who reads this blog knows what I'm saying is true. The times have changed.
This post is for the bloggers who think logically and reasonably. I know that StillNoScript is not able to do either concerning the subject due to his emotions and anger.
Los Angeles Resident,
you really have zero knowledge on whats cracking on las calles de nuestra senora de super max Los Angeles dirty ass Condado. The Valle's all out mayate attacks (gangmember or not) was a straight EME order like 3-4 years back. That LA County bullshit riots were straight orders from the same EME carnal member. This is the truth you will never hear.
On a second note, its not uncommon for a vato to start bouncing up and down like a freaking pescado, flipping over and dying on a cop. Ive seen vatos take down a couple of onces of tweak and turn blue, yellow, and die. By the time they get you to the hospital and stick that little tubo in your stomach and pump that shit out.....valestes verga ese.
On Valdemar - this vato gets the most and highest respecto from this side of the gateway computer, monitor, and keyboard. This vato is the Los Angeles' County Wide - sur califas - numero uno, most chingon Godfather on gangs expert. There is only one issue I do not agree with the gordito Mexicano santa claus looking Rich.......That's the immigration issue bullshit that is used by White trash American Conservatives. They are using this issue not to target illegals but to target the Mexican's culture. Immigration is not a gang problem its a "big corporate america" problem. Aside from this, this vato will go down like an oldie but goodie. All the other shit he preaches is actually legit 411. :)
StillNoScript said:
She already knows. She can read. She knows more than you do considering that she can actually read the transcripts from the Iran Contra hearings, as well. Someday, you should have someone with a college education read it to you.
This fucking guy just CAN'T do it. He can't keep from getting in a politcal shot at the evil republicans. Iran Contra, yeah, that had alot to do with your debate with the vato. The guys who get on his ass are right, he is a one trick pony.
Just when he starts sounding semi-intelligent he comes up with some puro pedo like that. Of course, what do you expect from a cop hating, republican hating, conservative democrat hating liberal who made the statement that our cities would be better off if they were run by drug cartels than they are now because
they are run by "oil cartels".
This vato is a trip que no? It's actually pretty comical, and he isn't going away, so we might as well watch him melt down and enjoy the show.
We should just stand by for his next idiotic statement and get a good laugh out of it.
So you cops and conservatives stay on his ass and let the rest of us sit back, have a cool one and laugh our ass off at his rants.
StillNoScript said:
No, it's the fucked up schools, along with the entire economy in general, which breeds the environment that gangs thrive in. Fix the schools, give them the money we give to big corporations, and murders will go down by 50% within 5 years.
Can you please enlighten us as to how, if these are in fact the root causes of gangs, 90% of poor kids are not in gangs?
Wouldn't it be the other way around if these were the root causes?
Of course it would.
You obviously have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
Your argument has no merit on it's face. You try so hard to sound like you have all the answers. The only thing you're lacking is reality and common sense. 10% of poor kids choose gangs because the lifestyle is attractive to them. When they are young and susceptible to bad choices, 10%take what they see as "the easy road to riches". It isn't till later on in life (if they live) that they realize they fucked up.
Some are down for their clique for life, but most, by the time their 30 wish they had never joined a gang.
They realize that being down for your hood really means one of two things:
You will end up in the pen for most of your life if you live to be past 30, or you will end up in the graveyard.
That's the reality. You can blame it on whatever you want to, but that doesn't make it so. I have another news flash for you enlightened one: many of those 10%
of kids who join gangs nowadays do not ccme from poor families.
The lifestyle is attractive to them so they clique up.
Do some research. Talk to some gangsters. Talk to their parents in their homes. You will be surprised. Till then, I would advise you to quit your attempts to sound like you're in the know, when in fact the people who are in the know from both sides of the spectrum are laughing at you and your foolish diatribes.
Get over yourself ese.
Don Q-Fool says .........
Shit for years and even at the present, Civil service jobs "which are very black oriented" and the Blacks that run them, are basically spitefull, condescending and prejuciced against thier Latino clients, any Latino person who has had to deal with a "Black Civil Servant" will tell you about rude and dismissive behavior towards Latino's or any other "ethnic people" for that matter.
I have non Black relatives that are civil servants who tell me all the time about this kind of behavior by "Black Civil Servants". There was first a very palpable rascism and rude behavior by a majority of the black community against all the ethnic communities of LA and especially Mexicans.
So in my opinion the Black Communties need to do some "soul searching" of thier own in regards to thier treatment and animosity towards other ethnic groups.
Don Q- Fool you talking shit about us blacks, well check out yesterday LA Times and see what you mexicantz have been doing. I see a rude mexicantz be raping little girls in school, some rude mexicantz in Canago Park gang be killing some brothas, a rude wetback killer be hiding in Huntington park and I see some rude mexicantz killed a cop. That was from yesterday LA times. How much shit is the rude be Mexicantz be doing in a fuckin week you dumb ass racist motherfucker. I think you Black mexicantz needs to do some "soul searching" of their own in regards to their treatment and animosity towards everybody.
Mexicantz – Teacher arrested in alleged multiple molestations
By Richard Winton, Times Staff Writer
1:26 PM PDT, March 21, 2007
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gomez22mar22,1,2129314.story?coll=la-headlines-california
Antonio Gomez a teacher at Stevenson Middle School in East Los Angeles has been arrested in connection with the molestation of at least five teenage girls and LAPD detectives said there may be more victims. Antonio Gomez, 35, of Downey was arrested March 6 after a month long investigation. Formal charges are pending, but Gomez has been accused of lewd acts with a child younger than 14 and freed on $100,000 bail, police said. During the investigation, five girls, including two sisters, said they were molested, McCarthy said. The girls are 13 to 16 years old.
From social club to Mexicantz street gang
Canoga Park Alabama, once a Valley farm workers group, has been targeted in L.A.'s gang crackdown. Some question its actual threat.
By Amanda Covarrubias and Richard Winton, Times Staff Writers
March 21, 2007
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-canoga21mar21,1,554162.story
Now, the 500-member Latino gang has become the focus of a crackdown by Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and Police Chief William J. Bratton. The gang is one of 11 — and the only one in the Valley — on Los Angeles' target list. Police officials say Canoga Park Alabama was largely responsible for a 44% rise in gang crime last year in the Valley, where five active gangs claim turf. Citywide, gang crime rose 14%.
Canoga Park Alabama has been responsible for 11 shootings in the last six months, according to the LAPD. In comparison, there were 11 shootings by the gang in all of 2001, department records show. Of those committed in the last six months, 10 involved Latino gang members shooting blacks. Nine of the 10 included racial slurs prior to the shootings, police said. So far, police have made arrests in five of the incidents.
Mexicantz Fugitive is turned over to Mexico
The reputed 18th Street gang member, caught in Huntington Park, is wanted in the slaying of a Zacatecas police officer.
By Richard Winton, Times Staff Writer
March 21, 2007
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fugitive21mar21,1,2399631.story
An FBI-led fugitive task force has captured a reputed 18th Street gang member in Huntington Park who was wanted by the Mexican government in the slaying of a Zacatecas municipal police officer.
Odilon Carlos, also known as Odilon Carlos-Marquez, was turned over Tuesday to Mexican authorities by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials at the San Ysidro border crossing. Officials said Carlos, 27, was taken into custody the day before by a team of FBI agents, Los Angeles police officers and immigration officers as he walked out of a market in the 6400 block of Santa Fe Avenue. "This capture should send a message to fugitives from justice that crossing the U.S.-Mexican border does not provide sanctuary," said J. Stephen Tidwell, assistant director of the FBI's Los Angeles office. Carlos' capture follows recent arrests, including one this month, by Mexican authorities of suspected gang members sought by Los Angeles-area law enforcement officials. Steve Garcia, a murder suspect on the Los Angeles Police Department's list of 10 most-wanted gang members, was caught March 2 as he was buying ice cream in Rosarito Beach, Mexico.
Mexicantz Man is convicted in killing of deputy
From Times Staff Reports
March 21, 2007
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-briefs21.2mar21,1,1921217.story
A Hawaiian Gardens gang member was convicted Tuesday of murdering a Los Angeles County sheriff's deputy in June 2005. Jose Luis Orozco, 29, was found guilty by a jury of first-degree murder with special circumstances of murder of a police officer and possession of a firearm by a felon. Prosecutors will seek the death penalty when the penalty phase of his trial begins next week.
Deputy Luis Gerardo Ortiz, 35, was shot June 24, 2005, outside a Hawaiian Gardens apartment building while investigating a shooting in which Orozco was a suspect.
Very Rude,
Leroy
REPORT: All charges may be dropped as early as tomorrow in Duke Lacrosse rape case, FOXNEWS reports... 'We will be hearing a dismissal in the coming days'...
Some cops lie and commit crimes. So says an admitted former crooked NYPD cop, Robert Cea in a new book featured on the front page of the New York Daily News. According to this cop’s own admission it is a regular practice to lie on the witness stand, falsify police reports, selectively enforce crimes, and do dirty work and strike shady deals with criminal "informants." Cea’s former collaborators in the NYPD are, of course, dismissing the claims, but the rest of us should pay good attention to the issues being raised. Even if one argues that the vast majority of law enforcement officials are good and honest, there are more than just a few bad apples that are poisoning their departments and making a mockery of justice.
Oakland police thugs cleared by mostly white jury...
Crooked cops walk free.
By John Green and Steven Damewood
THE LEADERS of a gang of crooked and brutal Oakland cops known as the "Riders" went free at the end of September. After a trial that lasted more than a year, three ex-Oakland cops were found not guilty on eight charges of abuse. The jury deadlocked on another 27 criminal charges.
The three cops--Matthew Hornung, Clarence Mabanag and Jude Siapno--were accused of planting evidence, kidnapping and assault, among other allegations. Frank Vasquez, the ringleader of the Riders, is believed to have fled the country.
The case against the three thugs should have been open and shut. The Oakland Police Department has already fired them--and the city has paid their victims close to $11 million to settle civil lawsuits. But Alameda County District Attorney Tom Orloff obviously wasn’t too concerned about winning this case.
Oakland’s population is more than one-third African American, and most of the Riders’ victims were Black. But the jury for the Riders case was predominately white. The only two Black jurors were alternates--with no rights to participate in the months of jury deliberations.
"This blows me away," one alternate told the San Francisco Chronicle. "I can't believe this. They are so guilty. The evidence was overwhelming. Most Black people know that police can lie to make an arrest, but I think the people on this jury don't believe it's possible for police to lie. They just don't get it."
In the outcry following the verdict, several jurors came forward to explain how deliberations went. According to them, the jury foreman--a white male law student, who declared from the beginning that he believed the cops were innocent--formed a bloc with two other conservative jurors during the months of deliberations. They were suspicious of charges of police brutality toward minorities, other jurors said, and at least one made a racist comment.
"In most trials in Alameda County, there are African Americans on the jury--and then you have a case in which all the victims are African American and, there are no African-American jurors," said attorney John Burris, who negotiated the city’s payout over the Riders last fall. "That's a fact that's hard to swallow."
Now, the three cops--smug after their victory in the courtroom--have said that they may reapply to become Oakland cops. Since the verdict was announced, activists, residents and victims of police brutality have been organizing rallies outside the courthouse to expose the truth--that the real criminals are the cops who terrorize Black neighborhoods. We have to keep up this pressure--and stop Oakland’s cops from going back to meting out vigilante justice.
"Halt pensions to crooked cops"
Legislators hint at 'forfeiture law'
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER
King County Executive Ron Sims intends to seek legislation to prevent cops convicted of and imprisoned for certain crimes from reaping publicly funded retirement benefits.
"You cannot be a police officer and a criminal at the same time," Sims said in response to a Seattle P-I special report last week. "If you've done that, you should not be entitled to benefit at the taxpayer's expense.
"We need to make a statement," he added. "There comes a point where the public has to say, 'Hold on a second.' Someone who's in prison for murder should not be able to draw down a pension of $3,100 a month."
Several Washington lawmakers and state pension policy advisers also say they're either open to or will help sponsor proposals seeking to prevent taxpayer-subsidized retirement benefits from going to misbehaving public employees in response to the report.
"There are a lot of things we can do, but we don't want to plunge too far ahead into things," said state Sen. Margarita Prentice, D-Renton, chairwoman of the powerful Senate Ways and Means Committee. "But there are ways to do it. It can be done, and it should be."
"It isn't just a case of jumping at headlines," Prentice added. "I know a lot of people are very deeply concerned. After reading your stories, you'd have to be. The behavior, it's just shocking."
The P-I's report, published Thursday, detailed how several problem deputies in the King County Sheriff's Office continued working, drawing salaries -- and in some cases, continued misbehaving -- for years after they could have been fired. This helped these officers fatten eventual retirements, costing taxpayers millions.
Among the most egregious examples cited were Mathias Bachmeier and William Erdt, former deputies respectively convicted of murder and sexual offenses. Still, both ex-deputies -- Bachmeier now in prison for life and Erdt, a registered sex offender -- draw tax-free duty disability pensions largely funded by public dollars.
"It troubles me," said state Rep. Geoff Simpson, D-Covington, one of two state lawmakers appointed to the advisory board overseeing policy development for the state's police and firefighters pension plan.
"The fact that a police officer or firefighter can be convicted of murder, rape or child porn and still be able to collect their pension is wrong, particularly at a time when more and more Americans are losing their retirements."
Like Prentice, Simpson said he'd be willing to work with Sims or sponsor a separate proposal for the 2007 legislative session that seeks to enact a so-called "forfeiture law" in Washington.
At least 13 states and the federal government have enacted such laws, which allow taxpayer-subsidized portions of pensions to be stripped from public employees who engage in a variety of criminal or administrative misconduct.
But in Washington, no matter what crimes or misconduct a police officer, teacher or any other public employee commits, nothing prohibits the offender from collecting a pension once he or she has become vested in any of the state's 14 retirement plans.
In the coming months, Sims pledged, he'll craft a proposal geared specifically toward police officers hired in the future who are later convicted of, and incarcerated for, either of two types of crimes:
Offenses against people, such as murder, assault, rape and domestic violence.
Transgressions that are part of a criminal enterprise, such as selling drugs for an organized crime syndicate.
"Those two offenses are the most appalling for an officer to commit," Sims said. "Those show an individual is absolutely devoid of good character. They violate the public trust."
Sims said he'll "go shopping" for state lawmakers to help develop and endorse the plan.
"If your paper wasn't writing these articles, raising issues the public wants to be resolved, I don't think there'd be much thought on these issues. That's just good journalism. And I think (the public) should expect their public officials to respond."
Sims said he'll seek a measure that allows for forfeiture of the publicly funded portions of an offending officer's pension only after legal and financial obligations to that officer's spouse, dependent children or victims are first covered.
"You don't want to reward the misbehaving individual, but you don't want to punish the families, either," he said.
The officer's pension also would be used to pay for costs of imprisoning that officer, Sims said. Any taxpayer-subsidized retirement benefits remaining after such costs are covered would then be stripped from the officer, he said.
Sims added he wants to gear the proposal only toward law enforcement officers because other public employees "don't have a right to wear a weapon and the ability to take your life. ... Police officers can't be above the law."
King County sheriff's spokesman John Urquhart said Friday that it's unlikely Sheriff Sue Rahr will take a position on any public discussions about forfeiture because the matter is for lawmakers, not the sheriff, to decide.
"Our only hope is that the discussion is driven by thoughtful, contemplative reason and not by a reaction to newspaper articles," Urquhart said.
He added that Sims' reasoning for limiting the proposal to police officers is wrong, and pointed out that "some corrections officers that report to him ... are accused of serious crimes. They carry guns and can take a life, also." He was referring to King County jail guards.
"Should the public contribute to the pensions of convicted felons, whether they are police, jailers, teachers who are convicted of sex crimes, judges, clerks, City or County Council members, mayors or the county executive? All pretty much (are) the same, I would say," Urquhart said.
"Any laws on this subject need to be very clear and specific. Otherwise, there can be unintended consequences," said Sandy Matheson, director of the state's Department of Retirement Systems.
Sen. Linda Evans Parlette, R-Wenatchee, said she will raise the issue at the next state police and firefighters pension policy board meeting in Olympia at month's end.
"These are things we have never talked about at the meetings, and obviously they need to be talked about," Parlette said.
Kelly Fox, an Olympia fire lieutenant and chairman of the newer police and firefighter pension board, said Friday he's "more than willing to examine" forfeiture after reading the P-I report. But he also cautioned such discussions can't be based on emotion.
Fox added forfeiture isn't the only approach for safeguarding the public trust.
The P-I's report, he noted, showed sheriff's employees who could have been fired were allowed to stay on the job and beef up pensions because administrators let them.
Sims said Friday that allowing employees under investigation to work overtime while under investigation for misconduct -- a point raised in the special report -- is wrong and solely at the discretion of the sheriff and her commanders.
Urquhart disputed that, saying due process prohibits barring overtime, and administrators "can't pick and choose who actually works overtime."
Fox said public employers must do better.
"If we, as public employers, did a better job at documenting these performance deficiencies," he said, "we wouldn't need forfeiture or be having this conversation."
don quixote said...
I'm feeling bad listening to "White is Rights" shrill as usual complaints about his troubles ordering Death Burgers at McDonalds in English. Hey "chicken nuggets" don't you get it yet? LA is a very multicultural city with over a hundred languages spoken in the LA school district. The opportunity to enjoy the foods and cultures of these different groups is one of the beautiful things we got going for us in LA. If you can’t hang then move to ???????
don quixote said...
Shit for years and even at the present, Civil service jobs "which are very black oriented" and the Blacks that run them, are basically spite full, condescending and prejudiced against their Latino clients, any Latino person who has had to deal with a "Black Civil Servant" will tell you about rude and dismissive behavior towards Latino's or any other "ethnic people" for that matter.
I have non Black relatives that are civil servants who tell me all the time about this kind of behavior by "Black Civil Servants". There was first a very palpable racism and rude behavior by a majority of the black community against all the ethnic communities of LA and especially Mexicans.
So in my opinion the Black Communities need to do some "soul searching" of their own in regards to their treatment and animosity towards other ethnic groups
Don Culo,
You should take a drive to Jefferson Park, Crenshaw or Leimert Park and enjoy some of that beautiful black culture and soul food you wanted white is right to enjoy. Better yet why don’t you invite your new boyfriend/obsession (white is right) with you to enjoy some of our beautiful black culture and delicious soul food.
Leimert Park is considered the center of the African-American arts scene in Los Angeles, with flourishing blues and jazz clubs, as well as numerous venues for dramatic performances and poetry readings. I am sure you and white is right would enjoy listening to some jazz music while snacking on some pig’s feet, ham hocks, chitterlings and collard greens. Maybe you could even get involved in a poetry reading of one of your many diatribes about how the white man has oppressed you for decades, the blacks can definitely relate to that.
You can also enjoy shopping in Leimert Park you might look really fly (firme) in a Black/Bronze 2 piece Buba & Sokoto (Dashiki). You might also try on a kitenge kofia style hat.
But remember Don Culo DO NOT call the blacks rude and condescending mayates, Ok enjoy your visit with us.
Reverend Al Shaprton
"ACTUALLY" Leimert Park is no more than middle class-please. What you see in a lot of beugoise hoods-no more no less, so stop the big romantizing.
Racial agitator and Founder of the National Action Network
Incited an anti-Jewish riot in Crown Heights in 1991 in which a Jewish student was lynched
Convicted of libel for his role in the Tawana Brawley hoax
Incited anti-Semites against Freddy's Mart which was burned by one of Sharpton's followers killing seven people
Democratic Party presidential candidate, 2004
Sharpton's parents divorced when he was 10, leaving Sharpton and his mother impoverished. While in high school, he organized his first protests - against cafeteria food and the school's dress code.
WOW.
Next up the Tawana Brawley case, arguably the greatest media circus of the 1980s. Brawley claimed that she had been abducted, raped, and smeared with feces by a mysterious gang of six white law-enforcement officers. Brawley's account was demonstrated to be without basis when extensive testing and investigation by law-enforcement officials demonstrated that no rape had ever taken place, and a grand jury eventually dismissed Brawley's accusations. Despite the lack of evidence, Sharpton, Maddox, and Mason used the hoax to make increasingly wild accusations, culminating in accusations that then-Duchess County assistant prosecutor Steve Pagones was one of Brawley's assailants. They further alleged that in addition to participating in the gang-rape, Pagones had arranged the murder of Harry Crist, a part-time police officer who had taken his own life after a series of career setbacks and the end of a romantic relationship. Sharpton appeared on the Phil Donahue and Geraldo Rivera programs, Nightline, and other local and national television shows repeating his claims about Pagones and calling him a sexual predator. Brutal anti-Semitic statements were made by both Sharpton and Maddox about New York State Attorney General Robert Abrams.
Maddox and Mason were eventually suspended from the practice of law; all three of the men were sued by Pagones, who won his defamation suit in 1998, Sharpton's portion of the punitive damages being paid by several of his friends. No amount of money, however, could have adequately compensated Pagones for the incalculable damage that Sharpton's reckless and vicious charges had done to the young district attorney. During the decade prior to Pagones' long-awaited court victory over Sharpton, the former had suffered through constant stress and anxiety (exacerbated by numerous death threats from Sharpton's credulous followers) that contributed heavily to the collapse of Pagones' marriage; the man's life was virtually destroyed. Sharpton has never acknowledged or apologized for what he did to Pagones.
WHAT ME WORRY?
Interesting debate tactic for the LE bashers. They get a few examples of the bad cops from all over the country and refer to them, while never taking into account that cops in this country make over 500,000 contacts a day. Do the math. Consider the percentages. There always has been, always will be less than 2% of cops who are dirty. Can't avoid it as long as cops are recruited from the human race. To focus on the 2% and paint the rest as such is a red herring in an attempt to sway your argument toward your views. Classic tactic, puro pedo.
If the problem was the cops, people would have bars on their windows to keep the cops out, and cops would be killing more innocent people than gangsters.
Such is not the case, and everybody including you LE bashers know it. Go ahead and continue your tirades, even the gangsters know you're full of shit.
San Jo,
Yea I was mainly on the "west side" and "south side" San Jose as well as Campbell, Sunnyvale. Your right the area's are very nice, I saw a few not so great area's. I was jut surprised because people always think of Orange County as this totally perfect place, the South County of Orange is very similar to those parts of the South Bay, very clean. But the rest of O.C has a much more mixed nice and not so nice right near each other and you see a lot more raza walking around in the North County Cities from Costa Mesa to La Harbra.
Yea I'm moving up that way soon, not sure exactly when. I was happy to find Rasputins Records in Campbell, nice music store.
To everyone else did you guys catch yesterday's LA TIMES article on CPA gang. It was interesting, pretty much said what Wally and others on here have said before, why CPA when from what it sounds like they're not much of a blip on the gang radar compared to others in So. Cal.
OC HALF BREED!
Here you folks go, from the Fox L.A channel, some interesting links as to whats going on right under the nose of City Hall. Hey Wally, you should swing by there and interview some of these "soldiers". Both Mexican and Black. Would be interesting to hear the cause...
"Central Ave. Gang War"
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=2288034
"Interacial Violence"
http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=1478114
Racial Violence Severely affects Quality of Life in Los Angeles video clip
i.e. (Mexican gang bangers shooting people fucks up Los Angeles)
L.A. Residents Lag Behind Others In Calif. (CBS) LOS ANGELES
Los Angeles County residents tend to be poorer, less well educated and less prepared for the job market than other Californians, according to a report released Wednesday by the United Way of Greater Los Angeles.
The rate of substance abuse treatment has increased in Los Angeles County from 508 visits per every 100,000 people in 2000 to 705 in 2005. Methamphetamine use accounts for roughly 30 percent of all those seeking treatment, up from about 10 percent in 2000.
Los Angeles County crime rates have steadily declined over the past decade, but the number of felony arrests of juveniles increased in 2004 and 2005. Latino and black youths were the most likely to be arrested for a felony, according to the United Way. The number of gang-related crimes in the city of Los Angeles also increased.
http://cbs2.com/topstories/local_story_080201802.html
Good point on the 5,000,000 number.
Interesting debate tactic for the LE bashers. They get a few examples of the bad cops from all over the country and refer to them, while never taking into account that cops in this country consume over 5,000,000 donuts a day...
Well said! Just do the math is right.
White Bread, stuttering incoherently blurts out:
1) Mexican men will just urinate in public, and spit on the floor indoors.
2) Mexicans will write graffiti on every thing even the bathrooms.
3) Mexicans have a bunch of kids and they do not have enough money to take care of them.
4) Mexicans will throw out their old couch and bed on the corner of the street.
5) Mexicans drive old shit cars and even park their old shit cars on the front lawn.
6) Mexicans do try to learn to speak English and get pissed off when you do not understand them.
7) Mexicans men are always drunk and whistling and grabbing at women.
8) Mexican kids are always in gangs.
"I wonder what I should have for lunch maybe some;
Carne Asada tacos, rice and a cold Tecate Cerveza
Ham Hocks, Corn Bread and a cold Malt Liquor"
White Bread
YEa! Orale WIR
The White Pointy hatted bigot is now forsaking Mcdonalds chicken nuggets and death burgers, due to a lack of linguistic brain cells, for a multi-cultural excursion into LA's fantastic food possibility's.
That's a very democratic choice white flight but I would caution you to check your food before consuming.
Due to your obvious genetic deficiente's (You can never convict a redneck, they all have the same DNA!), and your malquerencia, any Mexican/American food vendor would spot your biggoted ass a mile off.
ANd instead of getting a "carne asada taco, rice, and a cold Tecate you would be scarfing down a fat "taco de verga, rice con moco's, and a cold Tecate con piss, with salsa de callejon.
Wish I could be there to see it I'd buy you another plate of same!
Buen Provecho Homer! lmfao!
dq
A Los Angeles Times/Hollywood Affair: Grazergate Kills Sunday Opinion Section; Causes Editorial Editor To Quit In Uproar.
Stike that Wally, he has resinged allready today.
Marty
AYE LOCOS , IM PROUD TO BE RAZA BUT WHITE BREAD DOES HAVE SOME POINTS, JUST TODAY I SEEN 4 MEXICANS PISSING IN PUBLIC AND MUST ADMIT THAT I ALWAYS PISS IN PUBLIC TOO, TO MY ANGLO FREINDS DISMAY...HOWEVER, I ALSO CONTRIBUTE TIME AND MONEY TO CHARITABLE ORGANIZATIONS, EVEN THOUGH I MIGHT TAKE A LEAK ON THE SIDE OF THEIR BUILDING...I RAELLY DON'T SEE TOO MANY OTHER RAZAS DOING THAT...
SOME OF YOU VATOS LOVE CASTING STEREOTYPES, IF YOU WANT TO STEREOTYPE OTHER RACES, BE WILLING TO LOOK AT THE STEREOTYPES OTHERS CAST UPON US WITH THE SAME SCRUTINY YOU DO OTHERS, OTHERWISE YOUR A HYPOCRITE...OOOOPS TOO LATE, WE ALREADY PROVED THAT ABOUT SOME OF YA'LL
KNOW YOUR ENEMY AND YOURSELF
Why dont you just substitute the "Mexican" to either "Black" or "White". You find all that shit in other races and culture......big deal. Move onto something productive
I'm feeling pretty smug over here knowing I set the tone for all the Don Culo bashing... from the vato who brought you the finger wave story about your new partners in crime, " bulldogs"
Don Culo, can I get woof woof
Good to hear from Tijuana Jailer who is as always intelligent, concise, and states his point in a gentleman like manner.
I agree Tjuanero that the spread of gangsterism is a threat to our children all over the US and internationally. (and it's not just TJ but as I have personally witnessed, from Mexicali (Chicali 13),to Juarez,(Juaritos 13) and beyond.
No question about it, but my question is, after all the gang suppression units, crash units, the building and expansion of the prison systems in the USA, The three strikes laws, the long lenthy sentences, the filling up of the prisons until we now have until June before the Feds take over, the no tolerance school policies,the "experts" like LACS Sgt Valderama giving seminars all over the country for years and years, the RICO cases against the "Mero shot callers", Sgt Valderama's supervision of real gang members in Micheal Jackson's "Beat It" video.
Hey great, we need this expertise, but isn't it now obvious that we are still lacking a will and a willingness to put all our expert heads together and spend some dinero on a broad based (not just punitive and police based) coalition to prevent the continued spread of gangsterism amoung our youngsters.
I have heard enough of the failed and non science based opinions, such as "it's the fault of CHolo parents, it's the fault of the Mexican culture and it's acceptance of the gang lifestyle and tendency's for violence, it's the fault of Illegal Immigrants, It's the fault of lenient judges, it's the fault of Liberals, or Conservatives or the Emeros from Pelican Bay,.
Hey TJ, we better get it together and quit all the I'm the "expert" bullshit cause the sand is running out of the hourglass and we should all admit that we have done a poor job so far in this endeavor to stop gangsterism.
I respect your word and opinions Tijuanero, and if you say that Sgt Valdemar has his heart in the right place, thats good enough for me, but I've still got him on the cuidado, due to his involvement with the anti immigrant, quasi Minutemen group "Veterans against open borders" , as I consider that a sellout to ignorant, anti Mexican sentiment.
The political climate now and the search by right wing loonies to find a single issue to rally the bigots around is ripe for persecution of innocent Immigrants as has been the case many times in our US history.
Here's an example of this bullshit that I was emailed today by a supposed friend who is of "Jewish" ancestry,(but a right winger)lives in CHicago, and who of all people should be more sensitive to ethnic cleansing and scapegoating.
dq
" Mexican Gangs Take Over
L.A. As Cops Back Down
From Don Stacey
3-19-7
On National Public Radio last month (February)....a spokesman for the Los Angeles PD, stated that the 90,000 cops of the LAPD have been "overwhelmed" by street gangs in the area now numbering somewhere between 150,000 to 200,000 in strength. And these gangs, ages 10 to 40, are armed...some with automatic weapons. The Negro gangs (BLOODS, CRIPS, etc.) have been replaced by the Mexican mestizo outfits like M-13.
In Long Beach, near the Los Angeles harbor, there is a struggle going on between the newly emerging Asian gangs and the mestizo's for control of the area. Thomas Chittum predicts that this street gang war is the beginning of what he calls "civil war 2" and the total disintegration of the USA.
California is similar to Iraq......just waiting to rumble, as the population increases by leaps and bounds. CALIFORNIA population is presently about 40 million which will double in less than 20 years...
LAPD cops are quitting or retiring and moving to Idaho rather than stay in LA under these mad conditions. Sidewalks in some parts of downtown LA are filthy with human waste. Cops going there sometimes put on rubber overshoes or plastic bags to keep the crap off their shoes. Mostly, they just try to stay out of those areas. So, the gangs have the streets to themselves. "
Don Q Racist and Mayate spokesman oops Mayate hater said……………
The White Pointy hatted bigot is now forsaking Mcdonalds chicken nuggets and death burgers, due to a lack of linguistic brain cells, for a multi-cultural excursion into LA's fantastic food possibility's
That is some funny shit old man coming from the fedora hat wearing Mayate hater who tells of the evil ways of;
Civil service jobs "which are very black oriented" and the Blacks that run them, are basically spitefull, condescending and prejuciced against thier Latino clients, any Latino person who has had to deal with a "Black Civil Servant" will tell you about rude and dismissive behavior towards Latino's or any other "ethnic people" for that matter.
I will leave with the quote of previous poster who was most articulate in addressing your attitudes about the beautiful black race of Los Angeles “shut the fuck up you hypocritical mother-fucker”
Sincerely loving the diversity,
Your Brotha Corn Bread
Hey Hollenbeck, no matter how hard you try or how many facts you throw out there, many here will never believe that cops can be dirty. Some of these paranoid fucks even welcome police brutality in their communities. Go figure.
The juras know that our community will not rise up in protest as long as it seems that they are looking into it. So they will act like they are seriously investigating it, and let it drag on and on. Then when they think that everyone has cooled off and forgotten about it, they'll bust out and say that everything was done by the book. It's the 98% of good cops letting the 2% of rogue cops get away with too much bullshit that causes the mistrust. And this type of thing happens all the time. These 2%ers pretty much have a free ticket as long as they don't get in over their heads. Or as long as they don't get caught on camera doing some stupid shit. The 98%ers do a very good job of co-signing on the 2%ers bullshit.
Anyways, before people take what I'm saying the wrongway, and start calling me all sorts of names. I'd like to add that I don't really care if juras put hands on a fool. All gangsters expect it. But they shouldn't have to go all the way and kill someone. That shit is going too far. Especially when the person has already given up and not putting up any resistence.
Those 98%ers should think about that, and maybe step in more often to prevent that type of bullshit from happening. Because it's that type of shit that causes fools to not give a fuck and blast on cops.
ALRATO
SV VBS
I'm feeling pretty smug over here knowing I set the tone for all the Don Culo bashing...
"ACTUALLY" its just yourself.
WIR, I especially appreciate the information and advice you have provided, and the contacts you have shared with me. You are a man when the world has none.
Homer, I enjoy the opportunity to read your mantras and the high level of creative energy that flows from your widget mind. You take personal pride in insulting everyone. Maybe a lifetime of Mountain Dew, NASCAR and pork rinds have taken their toll on your teeth mind and soul. Just curious.
This could never happen in the Los Angeles Police Department right? of course not! Well as long as the freedom of the press is alive on this blog I will post.
Prostitute nabs crooked 5-0 wiff his own badge
Reuters
Posted on 02/29/2007 by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
BOSTON (Reuters) - A prostitute forced repeatedly into havin' sex wiff uh Boston po-po said she feared da abuse would never stop -- until she jacked his badge while he was looking at a donut.
When da officer, Michael LoPriore, telephoned her ta git it back, da FBI wuz tuning in ta they conversation, da 19-year-old'slawyer, John Swomley, said on Wednesday.
LoPriore, 37, wuz charged in federal court on Tuesday wiff depriving da biotch o' her rights by usin' his position as uh po-po ta force her ta perform sex in his `64 in September 2006.
Under uh plea agreement, da 12-year veteran o' Boston'spo-po force will plead guilty, resign an' never seek another job as uh po-po in Massachusetts. Prosecutors iz recommending dat he serve uh year in prison.
Swomley said LoPriore had stopped da teenager in uh downtown red-light district known as da "Combat Zone" while he wuz off duty an' in his personal `64.
After showing her his badge, he ordered her into da `64 an' drove ta several locations where he forced her ta perform oral sex, he added.
"She told me da badge wuz stuffed in uh little cubby in da front console. His head wuz back an' he wasn't really paying attention ta where her hands wuz," he said.
peep this
Mr. Don Q (Closet Racist)
If we appear rude and condescending please remember all of the obstacles our young black men have had to endure.
The Afro-Americans of American have suffered from
1) Government sanctioned slavery which not even you race has suffered.
2) Government neglect and exploitation.
3) Racism from all other races especially White/Anglos and Mexicans
4) Cultural exploitation
5) Poor education due to government neglect
6) A selective and punitive justice system which has jailed our black men unfairly.
7) An unchecked Mexican immigration policy which has taken our jobs.
8) And most recently Mexican gangs who what to kill our innocent young black men.
Hiding ones head in the sand or denial and or belief in some simple minded solution (it's the “Mayates” fault) will only insure that Mexican gangs will continue to kill our young black men and continue your racist hatred throughout the country.
KNOW YOU ENEMY AND YOURSELF SAID………………
AYE LOCOS , IM PROUD TO BE RAZA BUT WHITE BREAD DOES HAVE SOME POINTS, JUST TODAY I SEEN 4 MEXICANS PISSING IN PUBLIC AND MUST ADMIT THAT I ALWAYS PISS IN PUBLIC TOO, TO MY ANGLO FREINDS DISMAY.
What I am more concerned with is the Mexican gang members killing black men all over Los Angeles. Why are we supposed to just accept the new younger brown KKK. If these were white people killing blacks even the Mexicans would be screaming about the racial genocide against blacks. But you Mexicans just ignore and justify your young Mexican gang member’s murderous behavior. I am glad Wally tried to alert the news media when this was happening in the Highland Park area by Avenue gang members years ago.
Rev Jesse Jackson
Jackson’s mistress and his “love child” born to her 20 months ago at the time of the Clinton sex scandal.
Rev. Jackson’s mistress, who told the National Enquirer that “Jesse and I still have a very warm and close relationship,” is Karin Stanford, former head of the Rainbow Coalition’s Washington, D.C., office. Age 39, she was born one year before Jackson married his current wife Jacqueline, mother of five of his children. Stanford is roughly three years older than Congressman Jesse Jackson, Jr. Reverend Jackson, 59 - like Bill Clinton with Monica -- has a child nearly his lover’s age.
These lovers apparently became close in the mid 1990s when the former University of Georgia African-American Studies Asst. Professor was writing her aptly-named 1997 book Beyond the Boundaries: Reverend Jesse Jackson and International Affairs. Their affair soon bore fruit, and when Stanford, Jackson, and Bill Clinton were photographed in the White House in December 1998 she was four months pregnant.
At the time the Reverend Jackson was giving spiritual counseling to a sex-scandal-plagued President Clinton, his guidance came from intimate knowledge. Part of Jackson’s advice was to tell Clinton: “Keep your eyes open and your mouth shut. And don’t panic. If you respond with a contrite heart, that obligates [my emphasis] the public to respond with mercy.” Clinton took that advice, knowing Jackson to be a master manipulator who knows how to put the “con” in contrition.
In March 1999 Jackson announced that Stanford would be taking maternity leave for “the birth of her first child” with her lawyer boyfriend, as Tracy Connor reported in the New York Post. A week later, Jackson announced that he would not seek the 2000 Democratic Presidential nomination.
Involved with another man when she learned she was pregnant, Stanford filled in no father’s name on her baby’s birth certificate. As with Clinton and the stain on Monica’s dress, however, DNA testing confirmed that Jackson was the father. The baby apparently shares Jackson’s genetic trait for sickle-cell anemia. (Of course, in the case of Jesse Jackson, who at Havana’s airport once embraced Fidel Castro, turned to the TV cameras with a raised clenched fist and proclaimed “Long Live Fidel! Long Live Che!,” Jackson’s trait should more precisely be called hammer-and-sickle-cell anemia.)
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