SNITCHES, STANLEY AND REDEMPTION.
On the day that Stanley Williams will be available for viewing I'll forward my not-all-that-original theory that he'd be alive today if he had only come clean and debriefed.
Stanley defenders claim that he should have been spared because he supposedly reduced violence and saved lives. The problem with that claim is that it's purely anecdotal. There's no hard evidence to actually back that assertion.
Now let's take an example from recent history. Specifically the Metro Task Force and the debriefed dropouts that became CIs in that investigation. Thanks to CIs, in a brief period between January 1994 and April of that same year, CIs were credited with saving the lives of at least 13 people and probably a lot more. These targets were mostly other homies and carnals but there were a lot of innocent victims as well.
Here's a quick rundown. When Frankie B. was up on murder charges, a certain party put a witness to that murder in the hat. Thanks to a CI, Pomona cops swooped in and put the witness someplace safe.
When all of Big Hazard was greenlighted, every Hazard had a target on his back. The LAPD did a lot of stuff against Hazard that looked like enforcement and harrassment to the uninformed but what they were really doing was showing the flag and keeping the shooters out of the neighborhood. Lives saved? More than a few. They couldn't save them all, though.
When two El Monte Flores homies were put in the hat for suspicion of killing Joker Flores, the son-in-law of a carnal, a CI talked and the two homies were snatched off the street by El Monte PD and tucked away someplace safe.
When Night Owl Castro volunteered to hit a tax resister, a CI came forward and Castro was quickly arrested on out of state warrants.
After China Boy took one in the chest from Hazard while enforcing the tax code, four Hazards were put in the hat. A CI came forward and the four homies were "made safe" by LAPD CRASH.
Last item. The night that E.J. Olmos threw a party to celebrate the airing of a documentary on the making of American Me, a couple of brothers had gathered up weapons and soldiers and were planning a live fire exercise. A CI revealed the plan and the drive-by never happened. Lives saved? Who can say.
This is not anecdotal. This is verifiable material to which names, dates and proof can be attached. So while it's fashionable in some circles to say that Snitches belong in Ditches, it's also fairly obvious that Snitches can keep people (gangsters and civilians alike) out of ditches. The fact is that more than a few people are walking around today who owe their lives to snitches and don't even know it. Ironically, you can bet that some of those people probably have a very low opinion of snitches.
If Williams had had even a smattering of "saves" like the few mentioned above, chances are the arguments to spare him would have found more sympathy with the Gov. Hell, there probably would have been a few cops and prosecutors who would have signed affidavits testifying to his having saved lives. As it turned out, Williams decided to stay gangster to the end. He chose to be a dead martyr instead of a live snitch. It was his call.
Monday, December 19, 2005
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1 – 200 of 674 Newer› Newest»On that note. Here's the website that list CI's and undercover narcs. Dude who owns the website got burned by a snitch who was giving false info in the past.
www.whosarat.com
HERES MY THOUGHT....WHEN YOUR A GANGSTER,YOUR A GANGSTER!COPS AND CERTAIN PEOPLE THINK THAT C.I.'s
ARE ALWAYS CREDITABLE,SIMPLY NOT TRUE,MOST C.I.'s ARE ONLY LOOKING OUT FOR THEMSELVES,SO THEY CAN GET A BETTER DEAL OR TO SNITCH FOR THEIR OWN BEBEFIT.TO SAY THAT COPS GET INFO AND GO SNATCH PEOPLE UP TO SAVE THEIR LIVES IS PRETTY FUNNY!WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO SAVE THE LIVES OF THE SAME PEOPLE YOU HUNT DOWN AND HARASS ON A DAILY BASIS!WHAT THE COPS ARE DOING IS TRYING TO GET THOSE LIVES THEY SOCALL SAVED TO TURN AND SNITCH AS WELL.CAUSE IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GIVE CREDIT TO A SNITCH,AND WANT TO MAKE IT SEEM LIKE BY SNITCHING THEY HAVE SHOWED REDEMPTION IS WRONG!!SNITCHES ARE ONLY LOOKING OUT FOR THEMSELVES!NO MORALS WHATSO EVER!...CAUSE WHEN YOU CHOOSE A LIFE OF CRIME,AND IT DOESN'T MATTER AT WHAT LEVEL,YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT THE #1 RULE IS NOT TO SNITCH,NOW IF YOUR A LAWBIDING CITIZEN AND YOU TELL THE COPS,WELL THATS DIFFERENT,CAUSE A GANGSTER SHOULD KNOW THAT PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE PEACEFULLY,AND THERE FOR YOU HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF!SOME SEE THAT, BUT SOME DON'T,BUT ANYWAYS FOR SOME ONE TO TURN AND GIVE INFO,AND THEN GET OFF THE HOOK AND GETAWAY WITH WHATEVER,OR JUST GIVE INFO TO SAVE HIS OWN HIDE PERIOD! IS SO DISHONORABLE.CAUSE IF SNITCHING WAS THE HONORABLE THING TO DO,THEN I THINK MANY COPS WOULD BREAK THEIR CODE OF SILENCE,AND SNITCH ON ONE ANOTHER!WHEN SOME TO BIT PUNK RATS,COPS OR LAW ENFORCEMENT IN GENERAL ARE QUICK TO ACT ON IT,BUT WHEN SOME ONE SNITCHES ON THE COPS....WOE!!! WAIT A MINUTE!
ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY ARE NOT ALL THAT GUN HO TO GET THEIR OWN! NO CODE OF SILENCE GOES IN EFFECT!I WONDER HOW MUCH LAW ENFORCEMENT PAYS OUT WITH TAX PAYERS MONEY WHEN THEY GO ON A DRY RUN FOR LISTENING TO A C.I.?,OR DUE THE FEDS MAKE THAT CHECK?
Wally,
Tell us more about the Joker Flores killing. Thanks
OH YEAH AND I FORGOT TO MENTION! IT'S NICE TO THAT IN THIS COUNTRY
A PERSON THAT HAS KILLED MANY TIMES OVER(SAMMY THE BULL)IS OUT AND LIVING VERY COMFORTABLE,WHILE THE PEOPLE HE KILLED ARE 6FT UNDER, AND THEIR FAMILIES DEVASTATED.....ALL THE WHILE HE IS CHILLIN AND UP TO NO GOOD...ALL CAUSE HE SNITCHED!!AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MAN HE SNITCHED ON?
WELL HE WENT TO PRISON WHERE HE DIED! VICTIMS DEAD! FAMILIES HURT
GOTTI IN JAIL,AND DIED!!!....AND THE FUKN SNITCH? JACKING OFF IN THE DESERT SUN!...LOL!!! NOW ISN'T THAT AMAZING!HE'S PROBABLY CHILLIN WITH CHUCO!!...LOL!! LAUGHING AT THE GOVERNMENT...KILLERS THAT WERE LET LOOSE IN OUR COUNTRY,CERTIFIED KILLERS TO ROME AROUND IN THE STREETS THAT WE THE LAWBIDDING CITIZENS WALK,JUST CAUSE ARE GOVERNMENT SAID IT WAS OKAY!!WHY? CAUSE THEY SNITCHED!!....NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE KIDS KILLING PEOPLE FOR NO APPARENT REASON,AND WILL LOOK FOR THAT SWEET DEAL,AND THE STREETS WILL BE FULL OF SNITCHING KILLERS!......WELL MAYBE NOT...BUT IT ALWAYS STARTS SOMEWHERE.
WELL IM JUST TALKING OUT LOUD!!
AND C'MON WALLY!! PUT SOME REAL SHIT OUT THERE!D
Associated Press Writer
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Ending a long-standing practice, California prison officials have agreed to stop using race as a principal criterion in segregating inmates.
The prison system's settlement of a case filed by a black inmate comes after the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in February that California prisons cannot automatically house inmates by race, even temporarily.
``This is a fundamental sea change in the way the Department of Corrections does business,'' Bert Deixler, a Los Angeles-based attorney who represented the inmate, said in a statement.
The settlement between the inmate and the state Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation was filed last week with the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals and was made public Monday.
Starting in March, prison officials will end their use of an unwritten policy that dates back a quarter century. Inmates arriving at the state's 11 reception centers had been bunked automatically with inmates of the same race for 60 days, a measure taken in part to reduce the risk of racial violence.
Once processed, inmates were assigned to a cell in one of the state's 33 prisons on a largely nonracial basis. They were segregated again by race whenever they were transferred.
``The policy now is that an offender's race will not be used as a sole determining factor in housing,'' corrections spokeswoman Terry Thornton said. ``Our primary goal is to ensure that racial integration is completed in a manner that maximizes institutional security.''
Beginning in March, corrections officials in the reception centers will house inmates based on new criteria. That will include interviews to determine inmates' compatibility with members of another race, their age, the type of crime they committed and their physical characteristics.
The department will train its personnel and create a tracking system to determine if future violence in reception areas is based on race.
All reception centers are to comply with the policy by March 2007. It will spread to the general inmate population by 2008, Thornton said.
Thornton did not have an estimate on the cost of implementing the settlement. But it will have an immediate and wide-ranging effect on the nation's largest prison system. Of California's 167,700 state prison inmates, 37 percent are Hispanic, 29 percent are black, 28 percent are white and 6 percent are classified as another race.
The settlement is the final chapter in a legal saga that began in 1995, when inmate Garrison Johnson filed a lawsuit challenging the department's practice of segregating inmates.
Johnson, who is black, has been imprisoned since 1987 and is serving a sentence of 25 years to life for murder, robbery and assault.
His lawyer said he has been housed with black inmates during his entire time in prison. Sharing a cell only with other blacks, Johnson claimed, pressured him to join a black prison gang and put him in danger when he refused, Deixler said.
The U.S. District Court and 9th Circuit sided with prison officials, who historically were given great leeway to determine the best way to group inmates.
In a 5-3 decision in February, however, the Supreme Court said prisons cannot use race to segregate inmates except under extraordinary circumstances.
It sent the case back to the 9th Circuit, but California corrections officials decided to reach a settlement rather than produce evidence proving that their practice was necessary and effective.
Tookie as a savior? In my almost two decades of working with and supervising gang members, I have only ran across a few wards (About 10 years ago that read about him in Cody Scott's book Monster.)who had any idea who Tookie was, until the recent publicity about him. The claim of Tookie saveing lives is as phony as his claims of innocence and redemption.
Not to nit pick, but Sammy the Bull only pulled the trigger once. He was involved with 18 other murders, but still, your point is valid! Also, excellent point about the cops looking down on fellow cops who snitch or, to be PC, become "whistle blowers" but yet praise a street snitch.
it aint just cops, the snitching thing being taboo is in every proffesion, be they doctors, businessmen, or whatever. and police dont really praise snitches, they use them because otherwise they would rarely solve a case. but you and i know, that even in a cop's mind, the gangster's gangster gets more respect than a snitch.
and that is fucked up to dump sammy gravano on the unsuspecting public
Sammy the Bull is back in prison. He was busted a few yrs back in Arizona running an "extasy thing" in clubs. He was in with some 20yr old college student. Peddling dope to club goers...
Wally,
By giving your black and white sermon about the merits of cooperating with an obviously corrupted system of law enforcement, you've managed to actually push some of the Mexican gang members who otherwise hated Tookie and everything he stood for right into Tookie's constituency.
Bravo.
See what happens when you don't follow up on excellent stories like the Guttierez/Salinas shooting, and instead cave into your urge of becoming the West Coast's Bill 'O Reilly?
Don't sweat it, Wally...No position of authority...even simply being an "authority" in street happenings...comes without some degree of criticism. Personally, I enjoy your blog, meritless bickering aside. There's none other like it!
Integrating inmates of all races in the same living quarters is a huge mistake in my opinion. We'll have a bloodbath in the prison system that will spill out into the streets if these morons have their way. For the sake of all inmates I hope this idiotic idea never makes it past the reception centers.
HEY WHILE TOOKIES WAKE WAS TAKING PLACE THERE WAS 5 SHOTS HEARD NEAR BY,COPS SAY IT WAS THE BLOODS,THEY DID A DRIVE BY BY THE CHURCH.
Wally,
Any truth to the rumor that the eme targeted Sammy "The Bull" Gravano while he was in the Arizona system?
HAVE YOU READ THIS BULLSHIT:
Crowd Gathers in L.A. for Williams Funeral By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer
Tue Dec 20, 6:29 PM ET
LOS ANGELES - Celebrities from hip-hop star Snoop Dogg to motivational speaker Tony Robbins lamented the execution of Stanley Tookie Williams at a funeral Tuesday that drew hundreds to the violence-wracked area where Williams founded the murderous Crips gang three decades ago.
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Under heavy police presence, mourners including gang members flashing hand signs waited in line to enter the 1,500-seat Bethel AME Church.
Vendors sold T-shirts with Williams' picture, and a large TV set up in the parking lot allowed the overflow crowd to watch the service. Williams was executed Dec. 13 despite clemency pleas from celebrities and others who said he had rededicated his life to peace.
"It's nine-fifteen on twelve-thirteen and another black king will be taken from the scene," Snoop Dogg told mourners, reciting a poem about the execution. The line "I don't believe Stan did it" drew wild applause in the parking lot.
Williams, 51, was put to death by injection at San Quentin Prison for the 1979 shotgun murders of a 7-Eleven clerk and three motel owners.
"The war within me is over. I battled my demons and I was triumphant," Williams said in a recording played to mourners, whom he asked to spread a message to loved ones.
"Teach them how to avoid our destructive footsteps. Teach them to strive for higher education. Teach them to promote peace and teach them to focus on rebuilding the neighborhoods that you, others and I helped to destroy."
The Rev. Jesse Jackson decried the execution of Williams, who Jackson said saw himself in the end as a "healer, not a predator."
"Tookie is dead. We're not safer, we're not more secure, we're not more humane," Jackson said.
Robbins told the mourners he knew Williams only a short time but said he had "so much rage and so much anger" after his execution.
While on death row, Williams wrote children's books warning against gang life. Those efforts attracted supporters who lobbied for clemency, arguing Williams had redeemed himself. But Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was unconvinced, and refused to spare his life.
Several dozen gang members wearing blue attire associated with Crips gangs watched the funeral in the parking lot. One who identified himself as "Killowatt the Third," age 33, estimated there were 20 to 30 Crips-affiliated gangs there to honor Williams.
"That's my role model, man. That's the CEO of the Crips," he said.
Al Birdsong, 54, a school security officer who waited for hours to get into the funeral, said Williams did not deserve to be executed after more than two decades in prison.
"I'm here to pay my respects to humanity, and that goes to Tookie and everyone else they do in. ... What if it was your son?" Birdsong said. "He's no different from any other human being. We all made mistakes."
Keelonnie Roberts, 23, of Torrance, said her father was a Crip who used to tell her tales of gang life. Although Roberts never met Williams, she said, "He seemed like a sweet man to me."
Mourner Rick Hayes, 36, of Compton, wore a T-shirt with the slogan, "What does redemption mean ...," which he had made. If Williams was unable to earn clemency from the governor, "what can a black man do, what can he do in society, to get another chance at life?" Hayes asked.
In his will, Williams asked that his remains be cremated and the ashes scattered over South Africa.
Tuesday's ceremony was not the first public funeral for an executed inmate.
About 300 people attended a San Francisco service for Robert Alton Harris, a murderer whose 1992 execution was the first in 25 years after a death penalty ban and became a rallying point for opponents of capital punishment.
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Associated Press Writer Robert Jablon contributed to this report.
That black toad was no hero, c'mon.
I've been reading this blog for months now and I am very impressed by the diversity of the commentors and can appreciate all points of view. For the last 8 months my life has changed and I've been inspired by the gentlemen I have met over the phone while acting as a conduit (via 3 way phone calls) from the the inside, to those of signifigance on the outside. I have heard alot of stuff and ingnored (put the phone down) when it got too deep for my ears to hear.
I wrote a poem regarding this, as I was inspired by a 21 year old I met who was sentenced to 29 years.
There were plenty of other stories but this hit me in my heart and my soul. I am a mother of 2 boys and am grateful that, although, they have many friends "affiliated" they were not forced to enter a life that would make me a mourning mother. Thank you God!
Here is the poem I wrote:
SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS:
I met a young man on the phone the other day,
He asked to call his Mom, could he have a three-way.
He got my number from an OG,doing time still (he's an old man) told the kid I was cool,
call her, you'll see, she's down for you bro,
Whatever you need, whoever you call, no need to trip she's helping us all.
He's called three times now, since I first met him.
Said it's the most he's ever talked to someone who would listen.
I asked what his age was, he said,
today is my birthday, I'm 21.
Happy Birthday, (I tried not to cry) son.
My old man had his birthday inside there last month,
he just turned 40, seems you both got a nice present, spending time in a state prison.
I asked, how long you in for, whadya do, honey?
I didn't do nothing, I was in the wrong place, at the wrong time.
But I'm down for my homies, it's alright, I'll survive.
He got 29 years, that's half of my life.
He has little chance to have a family, career or a wife.
I said you must appeal this sentence they gave.
You're too young to be sent to a cave.
Where were your parents while this was all happening?
Didn't they notice when your life started slipping?
He told me they were too busy, had
their own problems,
I had to lie, told 'em I was studying or something.
Before I even knew it, I was deep in the street, gang life seemed alright, alright for me.
What can I say, I got caught up,
There was nothing better to do,
what did it matter?
Then this shit happened,
got busted, broke my parents hearts, in me they had trusted.
I couldn't tell them the pressure I was under,
for the rest of their life, because of me they will suffer.
I made a choice,
I can only blame me,
I had a voice.
Maybe if they had spoken louder
maybe I would have listened,
It's not their fault I started slipping,
through the cracks of the city streets.
He said,
Don't worry about me, I'll try to appeal,
maybe when I'm forty, I'll get a better deal.
Don't cry for me now,
it's too late,
If only I hadn't been so stubborn,
I could've told my Dad or someone,
Or listened to my Mother,
when she said, stay home, son.
If I hadn't lied and acted like they were stupid,
I wouldn't be here, living in fear,
I'd be home with my girl, eating cake, celebrating another year.
Some kind of Birthday, huh?
-----------------------------------
Someone who is forty and commits a crime,
in my opinion, is foolish and deserves to do the time.
But a kid who is 12, 14 or 16 years old,
has no direction from home, no other choice but to jump in with his peers,
should get another chance to start over again, without guilt or fears.
How do we change what has been for so long?
We need to change our ways,
can't we all just get along?
Children don't belong in prison,
they belong in school, playing sports, going to proms, kissing and winning.
MY Plea to Parents everywhere;
Talk to your kids,
ask where they're going,
Get involved,
Keep them in your vision.
A latch key kid is one thing,
a kid in the streets is a crime waiting to happen.
Guide them, you know what time it is,
don't let them go to prison and do time for the homies forever in the pen.
KEEP THE KIDS FROM SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS.
WAKE UP PEOPLE, CLEAN UP YOUR ACTS!
STOP THIS EPIDEMIC THAT'S KILLING OUR KIDS.
SHOW THAT BONE YOU HAVE IN YOUR BACKS!
WE NEED TO GET INVOLVED AND DO OUR PART.
EMPTY THE STREETS OF KILLING AND DRUGS,
TRADE THAT IN FOR ICE CREAM AND HUGS.
SHOW THEM HOW MUCH WE LOVE THEM.
STREET LIFE, HOME LIFE, WHAT SOUNDS BETTER?
KILLING AND DRUGS OR ICE CREAM AND HUGS.
KEEP OUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS FROM SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS, DYING FOR WHAT? GANGSTAS AND THUGS?
I'D RATHER HANG WITH HOMIES WHO WILL TEACH THE TRUTH,
IF THEY'RE STILL LIVING,
SHOW THEM LIFE, LOVE, ESPECIALLY, FORGIVING.
FROM A CONCERNED MOM!
I HOPE YOU PASS THIS ON!
"HEY WHILE TOOKIES WAKE WAS TAKING PLACE THERE WAS 5 SHOTS HEARD NEAR BY,COPS SAY IT WAS THE BLOODS,THEY DID A DRIVE BY BY THE CHURCH."
Officers Hodges and McGavin of the L.A.P.D. were parked across the street when it happened. They gave chase to the assailaints, which resulted in a crash at the Watts Towers. Stay tuned...
"One who identified himself as 'Killowatt the Third,' age 33, estimated there were 20 to 30 Crips-affiliated gangs there to honor Williams.
'That's my role model, man. That's the CEO of the Crips,' he said."
The fact that this fucker was quoted and it made it to print proves that our media can not be all that liberal. Talk about sucking the wind out of a movement...
I wonder if this mainstream, 'liberal' media went to more rural parts of the country and interviewed some of the KKK hillbillies that were obviously in favor of Tookie's death, so they could scrape the bottom of the barrel on the other side of the argument too...
Now THAT would be 'Fair and Balanced'.
Ya Think?
"was quoted and it made it to print proves that our media can not be all that liberal. Talk about sucking the wind out of a movement..."
The earthquake, of movement to the right didn't start in California, and it seems to be permiating the landscape and this blue state is feeling the shockwaves of it's aftermath.
This is, was NOT, and IS NOT about a gangster crip thug, or even about his race. It's about the "Rule of Law"
Pointing your finger at the "KKK Hillbillies just SIMPLY works no more. The "Good Ol Boy's" network is no longer. And California is now feeling that. People like Tookie are FINALLY being meted out the punishment for their crimes.
When a white or hispanic convict is dealt the death card, nobody PRAISES the works of them??? Why...should tookie be any different???
You can play your race card somewhere else. The NATION is no longer listening...got it?
DEATH IS THE "ULTIMATE" redeeming attribute for a murderous THUG. Tookie GOT what he had coming. This nation cry's NO TEARS for that bug.
THAT'S "FAIR AND BALANCED" Justice.
The YANG and OWENS family FINALLY got theirs.
Put the racist crap on hush. Where were Jesse and Snoop when the white
boys...8 out the last 12 executed in California were white, where were the so called "community leaders" who are so against the death penalty then? The Hollywood
liberals were there, but where were ALL the black spokespeople?
It's clear that these bigots could care less when a white boy gets the needle...but their there to speak for a black man....even a blind man can see that THEY ARE THE REAL RACISTS....so for all you race baiters out there, give that shit a rest. Your argument is old, tired, and plain bullshit...not to
mention HYPOCRITICAL.
"HEY WHILE TOOKIES WAKE WAS TAKING PLACE THERE WAS 5 SHOTS HEARD NEAR BY,COPS SAY IT WAS THE BLOODS,THEY DID A DRIVE BY BY THE CHURCH."
YEAH,THEY GAVE CHASE AND DID HOLD SEVERAL SUSPECTS,I HAD POSTED IT RIGHT WHEN IT HAD HAPPENED,THEY HAD SPECULATED THAT THE SHOOTERS WERE BLOODS,THE COPS POSITIONED THEMSELVES IN CASE MORE VIOLENCE MORE OUT,THERE WAS DIFFERENT CRIPS RUNNING UP AND DOWN AFTER THE SHOOTING,BUT I ALSO HEARD THAT THERE WAS A FEW BLOODS AT THE SERVICE PAYING THEIR RESPECTS,IS THAT TRUE?
Right on! finally justice for the victims.
JUSTICE IS BLIND!
signed:
OJ
Robert Blake
The Menendez Brothers
Randy "Duke" Cunningham
Raphael Perez "Rampart Division"
George Bush's "crackhead neice"
Ken "Kenny baby" Lay "Enron"
Micheal Jackson
"George Bush and Field Marshall Cheney"
(yea we bugged 20,000 phones and internet messages without a judges approval but we did it for ya'all" And who ratted us out! this is an outrage!!!
Uh oh.....Don Quixote unhinged???
To the lady hosting three way calls for inmates. I think its cool you have a good heart and wish to help others, but i must warn you. Even in CYA (baby prison) there are 16, 17, & 18 year olds who are criminally sophisticated and won't think twice about selling you a dream, drugs, or even a sob story to get what they want. I think you should be wary of giving your heart to people in prison.
In CYA we had a book everyone used to write women. It was called the book of prose and we'd copy form letters out of it and simply change the recipients name, then laugh amongst ourselves at how gullible these women were to our game.
I agree people shouldnt be made to pay all their life for something they did as a kid, but if they have get backs ( a parole date) , then they can prove how much they want to change. but helping out while they are still in jail, in my opinion, is for women who just like gangsters and all the drama that goes with it. if thats the case, just admit you like bald heads,tattos, and mind games. but spare me the wrong place at the wrong time pedo your charity case is kicking. funny how civilians rarely get caught up at the wrong place at the wrong time and end up in prison.
i commend your kind heart if your only desire is to help the underpriviledged. But in my opinion, you'd be doing society a greater service mentoring at an elementary school in a high poverty area instead of facilitating criminal acts via three way phone calls.
yea its called, Dont be stupid.
"Pointing your finger at the "KKK Hillbillies just SIMPLY works no more. The "Good Ol Boy's" network is no longer. And California is now feeling that."
Read my comment again, idiot.
I was pointing out the media's quoting of an active crip gang member.
If the press is going to scrape the bottom of the barrel on one side of the argument, why not get the bottom of the barrel on the 'tookie should die' side of the argument too? Like the hillbilly white trash in the south, who, dare I presume, were 99.9 percent in favor of Tookie's death?
The press made it:
Ghetto thugs in South Central
v.
Well to do, White, Middle Class suburbanites.
Who's going to win that every time?
Why not show the whole spectrum of the country's views?
Show what those rednecks were thinking of Tookie's execution as well; That way, the tidy whitey middle class view is put into a little contrast.
Afraid the racist sentiment from the hillbilly south might taint the views of the middle class? You wouldnt' be alone. It's obvious the so called 'liberal press' was afraid of the same thing.
Would those of you who want people to stop bringing race into the discussions on blogs like this also denounce racial profiling by law enforcement?
Didn't think so.
Talk about hypocrites...
I appreciate your response to my writing. Like alot of people, you jump to conclusions, of course, you don't know the whole story, but that's cool. Actually, I'm only down for one guy, not a gangster or thug, per se, he has no tats, and long hair, Native. I don't plan on being part of a prose book with form letters. I don't plan on writing to inmates the rest of my life either. It was a spur of the moment thing and if there were more people with kind hearts out there, not stereotyping because someone has tats and is bald, etc.
the world might me a better place.
By the way, I am no saint, and not as gullible as you make me out to be. But that's cool. I'm game for constructive critizism and advice.
By the way, I wrote a comment about a month ago, no one responded. Re: sensitive info.
But it's handled, no prob.
Again, I really am hooked on this blog. I used to be friends with alot of folks you mention, on the P.D. side, too.
They aren't any different than my friends on the "Other" side. Men are all the same no matter what their uniform, bald tatted or not.......a gun in an angry person's hands is always scarier than a pen or keyboard in someone elses.
NOW THAT IS BULLSHIT RIGHT THERE^
Come on, blacks don't try and save all blacks. There are plenty of black death row inmates that die with no fanfare, this just happened to be a high profile brother who did some good while he was in jail. He still killed people and had to pay however.
That being said, there are dozens of innocent people on Death row, most of them black and in the south. You see it on 60 minutes all the time. So stop saying this and that about his supporters? Are you perhaps jealous that the latino community doesn't come together whenever there is a cause.
Who's the hispanic Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton? Do you see Eva Longoria or George Lopez marching for a cause? We have Edward James Olmos, and thats it. So stop critizing and go do something for the barrio and La Raza. Spray painting your hood and "Holding it down" in county jail is just not good enough.
one of the most vocal persons advocating for Tookies death was a beautiful black woman who happened to be the president or spokeswoman( not sure which) for the group, PARENTS OF MURDERED CHILDREN. Although i had to disagree with her belief tookie was responsible for all crip violence. that i blame on the man.
Real men don't need a gang!!!
REAL MEN DONT NEED A GANG....
HEY BRO,IT GOES WAY DEEPER THAN WANTING TO BE A MAN,SOME PEOPLE ARE BORN IN IT DUE TO GENERATIONS OF FAMILY GANGMEMBERS,SOME ARE LONELY AND DESPERATE FOR ATENTION DUE TO THE LACK OF IT AT HOME,SOME ARE PEER PRESURED,AND NOW WE GOT THIS NEW WAVE OF GANGSTERS,THAT JOIN A GANG CAUSE THEY FEEL THEY MIGHT AS WELL,DUE TO THE CONSTANT HARRASSMENT AND PROFILING OF OUR TEENAGERS BY THE POLICE,NOT ALL COPS ARE LIKE THAT,BUT THE G.E.D.'s
(GANG ENFORCEMENT DETAIL)THEY ACT LIKE A GANG THEMSELVES,THEY CONSTANTLY STIR SHIT UP,BY PUNKING OUR YOUTH,WETHER THEY BANG OR NOT!!
AND GOING TO ONE VARRIO ACTING ALL NICE AND DROPPING INFO,THEN GO TO THE OTHER AND DO THE SAME,THEN IN TURN THE STREETS GET CRAZY,AND THE COPS JUSTIFY THEIR STRONG ARM TACTICS DUE TO THE VIOLENCE THAT THEY THEMSELVES HELP START.IF YOUR NOT IN A GANG OR DONT LIVE IN THE VARRIO,YOU WOULD NEVER GUESS IT,OR EVEN THINK IT WAS EVEN POSSIBLE,BUT
REMEMBER RAMPART...AFTER THAT YOU THINK THEY CLEANED HOUSE,HAVE YOU NOTICED THE RISE IN SHOOTINGS?CRIME IS DOWN,BUT SHOOTINGS ARE UP!
WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?SOMEBODY'S
PLAYING HIDE AND SEEK!BANG BANG!!
HERE THAT?WHERES THE POLICE?BUT ON A GOOD DAY,ALL IS WELL,PEOPLE SITTING ON THEIR PORCH,KIDS PLAYIN BALL,AND THE GANGSTERS JUST CHILLIN
AND BULLSHITTING(wich is not illegal to do)BUT HERE COMES THE POLICE,FREEZE MOTHERFUCKERS...GUNS OUT,KICKIN YOUR LEGGS OPEN,PARENTS ASK WHY THEIR SON OR DAUGHTER IS BEING SEARCHED,COPS TELLING THEM TO SHUT UP!...AND THE LITTLE KIDS SEE THAT...YOU THINK THEY ARE GONNA HAVE RESPECT FOR THE POLICE?
IF YOU ARE IN A POSITION OF AUTHORITY...I BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD LEAD BY EXAMPLE!AND IF YOUR A KID AND SEE THE COPS BEING CROOKED...WHAT DO YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO THINK OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
PERIOD!!! SO ITS NOT ALL ABOUT JOINNING A GANG TO BE A MAN,IT HAS IT'S VARIOUS REASONS!BUT IF OUR POLICE DEPTS. AND POLITICIANS AND PARENTS INCLUDED....WOULD JUST TEACH KIDS ABOUT THE DANGERS OF GANGS AND CRIME ITSELF,AND HAVE PREVENTION PROGRAMS,AND MORE SPORT ACTIVITIES,AND GET THE KIDS ON THE RIGHT TRACK,AND IN TIME....GENERATION AFTER GENERATION
AND MAYBE 20 YRS FROM NOW,GANG VIOLENCE CAN BE REDUCED DRAMATICALLY...SEE I LIVE IN THE VARRIO I SEE IT! I LIVE IT!DAY IN DAY OUT!....AND MEANWHILE COPS AND POLITICIANS KNOW THE TRUTH AS WELL,
BUT THEY DONT CARE NOR HAVE THE PATIENTS TO TRY TO HELP OUR COMMUNITIES..WHY I DONT KNOW,BUT THEY MUST STAND TO GAIN FROM IT,CAUSE IT AINT THAT HARD TO FIGURE IT OUT!
FOR GANGMEMBERS....FUCK IT!
FOR OUR CHILDREN....PREVENTION!
AND IN TIME?...LESS GANG VIOLENCE!
Don Quixote said...
Right on! finally justice for the victims.
JUSTICE IS BLIND!
signed:
OJ
Robert Blake
The Menendez Brothers
Randy "Duke" Cunningham
Raphael Perez "Rampart Division"
George Bush's "crackhead neice"
Ken "Kenny baby" Lay "Enron"
Micheal Jackson
"George Bush and Field Marshall Cheney"
(yea we bugged 20,000 phones and internet messages without a judges approval but we did it for ya'all" And who ratted us out! this is an outrage!!!
PURO PEDO.
You've got to be shitting me homes.
You're comparing Tookie, a multiple murderer to Bush's niece
who smoked crack?
Are you fucking nuts? Or is this your way to just go off on a tangent because you hate Bush so much?
You're making a fool of yourself.
David A. said...
Uh oh.....Don Quixote unhinged???
He called it. You're coming unhinged. You're on some crusade and have no balance in your arguments. The ONLY thing you can see is that ax you are grinding.
And it's becoming apparent to all the readers of this blog.
We all know you hate Bush, are against the death penalty, against the war,and think racism runs rampant in America. We hear you.
You don't need to make A FOOL OF YOURSELF to let us know how you feel.
Don Quixote,
What the fuck? You compare a convicted multiple murderer to politicians you don't like,one of their nieces who smokes crack,
and a white collar crook.
That's serious bullshit. How many thieves of ANY race or class status have been executed for any type of theft or dope beefs?
NONE.
Try comparing "apples to apples" homes.
I'll repeat again for all you people who are in denial about our so called justice system.
JUSTICE IS NOT BLIND!
So don't get all exicited about some old suede that got the juice.
It doesn't mean a thing it's just a piece of publicity candy for reactionary type people who don't see truth for what it is.
I listed just a few of many rich and hooked up people who are never going to feel "justice" and that's the way it is, so cut out all the "giddy" warm feelings about some "clown exibition" it don't mean a thing.
And I'll say it again to the youngsters who might be thinking about the crime life.
"Don't be "chow" for the system little brothers and sisters. Because there is a "system" in place (that supports so many and helps so few!) And the system is hungry for you!!
Right on Crow Halfbreed! I'ts just that I don't bullshit myself about this so called "justice system".
But what's wrong with me! Hey everyone I have enjoyed sharing ideas and opinions with all of you the past year, so have a safe holiday season and to all
Merry Christmas!, Happy Hanuka!, Happy Holidays! Whatever turns you on!!
USC 52 Texas 23!!
chale, ever been to jail in mexico.now thats hard time. except if your a drug lord.the jails are better and more humain here.
BUT THE G.E.D.'s
"(GANG ENFORCEMENT DETAIL)THEY ACT LIKE A GANG THEMSELVES,THEY CONSTANTLY STIR SHIT UP,BY PUNKING OUR YOUTH,WETHER THEY BANG OR NOT!!
AND GOING TO ONE VARRIO ACTING ALL NICE AND DROPPING INFO,THEN GO TO THE OTHER AND DO THE SAME,THEN IN TURN THE STREETS GET CRAZY,AND THE COPS JUSTIFY THEIR STRONG ARM TACTICS DUE TO THE VIOLENCE THAT THEY THEMSELVES HELP START."
in my opinion the cops here are less corrupt the the cops in Aztlan. no one in Mexico respects a cop but yeah they fear them...
Ok, I've beem on the sidelines reading all this and though I'd throw in my 2.5 pesos.
The justice system is not blind, however I doesn't necessarily see just black and white either. Its sees GREEN.
If you have money to get a good defense, than you will go free. See OJ as a prime example. Unfortunely a majority of minorities can't affod a good defense and often get shafted. Yes, I know its crazy but some convicts are actually innocent but some are guilty as sin!
Heres the thing, if you don't put yourself into a situation where your freedom is in someone else's hands then you should have nothing to worry about. IF you are doing dirty, then you can expect to be in the system, but if you are, than don't complain and they system being unfair.
I know its cliche, but if you ain't willing to do the time then don't do the crime.
With that being said Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all my fellow bloggers. Be safe out there, carnalitos.
Funny shit on this weeks blogs, everybody knows there's no real justice in Califonia, and espacialy in LA. For those who really think justice was served with the tookie williams shit, yes the families of the victims got thiers. But it was so out in the open that the whole thing was a sideshow by the well healed. I think had they not had so much fanfare the families would have gotten thier ture justice til the very end. If someone would have done the shit this cuervo did to thier kinfolk I would have much more savored the his date with the ere more. I can imagetion how much more agnst they must have gone through thinking this fool might have gotten off due to the efforts of these hollywood types. I read on the blog the other day that snoop crow said, "we lost another black king" Are you fucken kidding me and this guy is a millionaire, and tony roberts says he was enraged! Motherfucker, what fools these lambes be..
good reading:
http://gorillaconvict.com/blog/index.php?cat=&date=0&p=1
go to the bootom and hit next if the supreme teams story doesnt grab you. they have shit on allraces in the feds.
real good shit. its fools writing from the inside out
Retired Joker....in my humble opinion... You're EXACTLY right. That's why I told DonQ..."I'm sorry me and you were born poor..oh well..I guess we better not fuck up too bad".
Do'nt fuck up too bad?? Shee-it bra - don' fuggup at all!! Been there wayyyyy more yrs than I need to even believe myself. Did Vacaville, Tracy, and soledad Central back in the 60's- sat in B Wing when George Jackson got fragged. Walked daily by X Wing - it's where Hugo "Yogi" Pinnel shanked a bull THRU the food slot and the hack died on the way to Monterey Co Hospital. They closed the whole damn Wing after that! And Pinnel went off to Folsom, later Q and remains there still..My only sole motive for jumping in here is to reiterate to the youngbloods here that there is a VERY secure place prepared for you if you choose it. Yup, thass what I said- YOU got to choose it! There aint no multiple identity here. YOU youngblood are the maestro of your own destiny.So choose wise. The chow aint never been that good, and though the bonds you build and the friends you make are strong as ever. It's just flat out a detour you do'nt need to take! Appreciate this blog! Wally's got it goin on w/ the updates, and the way he supplies a juicy point .. then we all jump in like it's a freakin AA meeting!!! No offense....
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It aint HARD to stay out of prison.
YOU DO HAVE A CHOICE.
Don't make a foolish decision and then when it's time to pay the price, go crying and bitching.
I can't tell you how many times I've told youngsters...:"you are who you run with". If you run with people who are thugs you WILL get caught up in their shit.
"Even if you're just sweeping the floor in a whorehouse, sooner or later you'll end up in a room."
all this christmas cheer from you otherwise wannabe toughguys, on both sides of the law, sounds gay!
fuck peace! right about now, vatos from both lados in the pinta are planning on what to give their enemies for the holidays. Its the CDC riot season biaaatch!
A coward amoung you!!
Most of you don't know the real story behind the new leader of the mongols. The piece of shit has no heart! However he is brilliant at manipulating the young members of your club. Well young members look aroung you and notice!! there are very few of you older brothers. Alot of us have known him for years and saw him @ bars!! when your brothers would roll up, he would want to leave the place quick!! he was afraid (like in the laughlin video!! run!! coward run!!) of the Mongols!! He has no loyalty himor his fat lil punk ass son!! and who and what the fuck is his brother Al doing in the club!! and what chapter is he in?? Your #1 tried to start a club a few years ago and a one of your mongol brother took their patches. Now that brother is no longer in the club. He threw out mean ass brothers from the club. The older brothers know what he is all about!! We know the respect mongols give to their leaders, However this punk doesn't deserve to lead you!! Look what he is doing to you guys!! How much money did you guys pay on dues??? How much money do your attorneys for laughlin?? Have they been paid?? attorneys talk to each other like any regular person. The word gets out. There is noone getting paid for expert witnessing @ this stage of the trial!! (witness Dic's new house and there is are your fees) You guys had (6) defendants you were paying for. Now you only have (4), the cost was suppose to be $750,000.00 for Attorneys, well you no longer are paying for (2) and rumor has it the were to pay $75,000.00 per defendant do the math!! Don't let this Dic dude manipulate you!! be smart!! He talks bad about your previous #1 (throws him out), who got stabbed but have you guys ever heard your previous #1 side of the story?? of course not!! the Dic wants to keep it quiet!! You guys have probably paid well over qa million dollars and have only paid your attorneys around $300,000.00 do the math!! Are you guys able to look @ your books without getting hasseled by Dic?? No way!! Well Dic used to cry about your cabinet before re: the money!! but!! you guys can't!! or he'll come up with a bullshit story about you, if you know what he is up to, and tarnish your name bam your out or your prospecting!!
Here is the forecast as to WhAT THE COWARD AMOUNG YOU WILL DO!!
He will consult on the movie about you get paid a coupl million nothing will go to guys (although because of Dic, you still have problems with neighborhoods and can get killed, that's why he's Dic!!) He will try to write a book and I hope he titles it (I was the coward amoung us), make money and then!! make momey on the patch (selling merchandise) guess who has control of your copy rights. What will you get for your spilled blood and your brothers!! right nothing!! Well one day dic we will look eye to eye and I promise you! I will make you cry!! or you can accept my challenge hear and meet me in a public ring where you and I can put on the gloves!! I am your age!! Last but not least respond coward!! yea you Dic!! and mongols I do not mean any respect to any of you you guys are badass and well respected. Hey Dic should you accpet my challenge, when I kick your ass!! Don't try and have me killed!! I am only one man!! see you soon!!!
FUCK MONGOLS SUR X3
mongols are all BITCHES,,they cant hang with the BIG BAD SUR 13
THEY SEEM TO THINK SO!!! THEY DONT HAVE RESPECT FOR THE SUR!...THEY HAVE GREELIGHTERS FROM LOWELL,AND THOSE FOOLS THAT RIDE WITH THEM FROM HAPPY VALLEY...WHAT KIND OF SHIT IS THAT?
those vatos break it down all of the time..if we have to start touching those fools in the system then that is what we should do..it would end a lot of drama..
most of them are pieces of shit anyway...
Danm i see it's the same old shit by the same old shitheads. Last i left the shit was about tookie this tookie that, then the you got a choice guy and the sur rifa guy and the i've been there guy. Fuck! when you gonna get to the real shit. Pinta news eme stuff current events you know the shit that you here [wally]. Hey if i sound discontented its because i am. You can't feed someone steak then bring him potted meat and say entrale!
CHECK THIS OUT....
WWW.THIRTYSIXERS13.BLOGSPOT.COM
Cut Wally a break. I'm sure he isn't hearing shit and not telling us. Shit aint jumping off every day, so he can't give us steak every day.
When there's no steak for you to eat, you can starve or eat potted meat, do what you want.
We're all hungry just like you.
Ok Xmas over and I'm still upset about the inequities in our so called "just us" system, and to say that well, life isn't fair so just accept it, is bullshit.
If you you don't speak out about human rights issues and attempt to speak the truth then fuck, you might as well roll over and go get your lobotomy de voladas!
That's like some illiterate saying "yea I can't read or write and I'm proud of it!
Nah! let's shed some light on our dark side and maybe we can join the rest of the civilized world some day.
Don Quixote said...
Ok Xmas over and I'm still upset about the inequities in our so called "just us" system, and to say that well, life isn't fair so just accept it, is bullshit.
If you you don't speak out about human rights issues and attempt to speak the truth then fuck, you might as well roll over and go get your lobotomy de voladas!
That's like some illiterate saying "yea I can't read or write and I'm proud of it!
Nah! let's shed some light on our dark side and maybe we can join the rest of the civilized world some day.
Its called excepting reality. Yeah right, like "the rest of the civilized world" has it over on this country. THAT'S the bullshit.
Maybe you could tell us who has a better and more equitable justice system for the poor than we do.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to your knowledge of that countries system and how it is better than ours for the poor and underprivileged.
Or maybe you are just pissed off and talking smack because the system "has done you wrong" in your opinion.
Not perfect doesn't equal fucked up!!!! And since you like to use analogies so much, think of it like this. It's like somebody saying how fucked up your beloved USC Trojans football team is.
It would obviously be bullshit, because they are obviously the best there is.
It would be obvious that person was just a "Trojan hater".
So it's becoming rather obvious that you just have major problems with this country.
We are the best there is. Not perfect, but the best. Don't you realize how foolish continually badmouthing this country makes you look?
Hey Don Quixote, what system do suggest we go to?
In this country, how many poor men are in and out of jail for petty crimes time and time again?
But that's the thing see, HE GETS OUT after a short ride (or no time at all-->probation/diversion) and is on the streets.
In most countries they lock you up for long stretches behind little chickenshit beefs. So you've got a beef with our system??? You think it's better some other place? Fuck,in most other countries you would still be locked up for the stupid shit you did when you were a kid.
I use to sing the blues about it, but that was simply because I was angry. I needed to blame somebody or something.
I grew up.
CDC is going to be politically correct and integrate. that should last about a month. it won't fly when the blood starts flowing and they see more lawsuits coming for doing it than they did for not doing it. stay tuned for some major masa.
(CDC is going to be politically correct and integrate. that should last about a month. it won't fly when the blood starts flowing and they see more lawsuits coming for doing it than they did for not doing it. stay tuned for some major masa.)
The only CDC people who would agree with the politically correct integration policy would be those who enjoy the "staged fighting". They now have a "license to stage" as they can now say, "hey, the law mandated that we 'mix' the races so here's your integrated yard".
Stay tuned for the fireworks.
"Its called excepting reality. Yeah right, like "the rest of the civilized world" has it over on this country. THAT'S the bullshit.
Maybe you could tell us who has a better and more equitable justice system for the poor than we do."
Denmark... you do the research, I'm not explaining sh!t to you psuedo intellects!
Don Quixote never said that our justice system wasn't the best in comparison to other countries, he just said that it's biased. Is he not correct? When Don askes you guys what country has the best justice system, then tell him. In the meantime, you're just changing the subject because you know the system is bias, and that it is designed to keep the haves seperated from the have nots.
Also, the only reason our justice system is humane is because of those liberals throughout history that you guys hate so much. If it were up to you guys, our system would be no different than Singapore. So don't act like it was YOUR doing that made our system less barbaric. You guys aren't fooling anyone.
We live in a capitalist republic, and always have. Those with the money make the rules. Those without it either toe the line or pay the price. And, without the Tom Haydens of our political world, you guys wouldn't have the CRUTCH of pointing to countries who's justice systems are more harsh and barbaric than ours whenever someone like Don Quixote makes the MORALLY CORRECT argument that our system is indeed fucked up and wrong, and can be changed for the better.
" Anonymous said...
CHECK THIS OUT....
WWW.THIRTYSIXERS13.BLOGSPOT.COM"
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I checked this blog out yesterday. What was the point of it? It just seemed to advertise one street gang. Was there any other objective, such as making an offer of peace to rival gangs, etc?
Use the internet to help you and your homeboys get out of the life, not to advertise your gang. You can't gang bang on the web. The feds own the web. It's a recipe for disaster. Take advantage of this great technology by not only showing everyone where you're from and how proud you are, which there's NOTHING wrong with, but also by offering solutions for not only your gang but other gangs as well to unite Blacks, Latinos, Asians, poor Whites and even rich Whites who show concern, and to come up with ideas on how we can end gang violence for good. A lot can change in a day. Work on Peace, and agree on non-violent, intellegent solutions that will make the streets of Los Angeles safer again. Vote for candidates at all levels of government who support your ideas, and only them.
You can start today. Talk to just one of your homeboys who you think might listen to you without crapping all over your idea. If you get his ear, you've allready made progress. You may have allready saved a few lives.
TOM HAYDEN LIBERAL WRITES:
"We live in a capitalist republic, and always have. Those with the money make the rules."
Dang! Thanks for making our "point" Mr. "Do-Gooder" Instead of pumping this blog with your so-called proposals to make the system "A better place to be" WHY in the hell don't you get behind the INDEPENDENT FREE THINKING MINDS that promote helping people UP....not a "Handout"
Sure, the system is full of vatos that grew up in less than desirable conditions, but at LEAST here,USA you have the opportunity to CREATE a piece of the dream. Why can't you peaceniks forget about dumping more resources into a system that is another liberal failed social project.
Youngsters with talent need SOLID parents, guidance and YES! lot's of THAT money you spending freaks throw down the toilet, chasing failed social projects that serve nothing more than to "Institutionalize" the phoney baloney funded programs that people like..TOM HAYDEN put forward to keep the vatos down by "Adding Layers" of red-tape, taxes and even some feeble attempts by claiming hispanics are too stupid to use electronic voting machines! Yeah, everybody knows how much you liberals care about the "Downtrodden" Just look at what we have today....no thanks to you.
Capitalism, is like an "Unbridled" horse! LET IT RUN!
Then watch the results.
We live in a capitalist republic, and always have. Those with the money make the rules. Those without it either toe the line or pay the price. And, without the Tom Haydens of our political world, you guys wouldn't have the CRUTCH of pointing to countries who's justice systems are more harsh and barbaric than ours whenever someone like Don Quixote makes the MORALLY CORRECT argument that our system is indeed fucked up and wrong, and can be changed for the better.
WRONG PENDEJO. Stating the obvious is not a CRUTCH. You fucking crybabies who keep on whining like fucking chavalitas about this country need a serious reality check. Like I have pointed out before on this subject, NO ONE IS SAYING OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS PERFECT AND NOT BIASED FOR THE PRIVILEGED.
What you ax grinders WILL NOT accept, admit, or acknowledge in ANY way is that although our system is NOT perfect....it is the BEST system there is.
FUCK VATO, WE CAN STOP ALL THE BULLSHIT IF YOU OR DON QUIXOTE TELL
US WHO'S SYSTEM YOU THINK IS BETTER!!!!
There it is vato...fuck it eh.Tell us who's system is better, not biased for the privileged, and then we can take you seriously...if you can't, cayete pendejo, you're just talking masa.
Hey Tom Hayden lover. You contradict yourself bonehead.
If "those with the money make the rules, and you either toe the line or pay the price" how is Tom Hayden still active in politics and getting reelected? What's up?
You're either full of shit or your beloved Tom Hayden is a "line toer"
I know....yeah yeah yeah..he's the ONE exception.....BULLSHIT!!!!
There's a bunch of radical politicians who don't toe the line and ascend to positions of power.
Save your bullshit for the brain dead.
Do you watch TV? There is a new
show coming to a living room near you, called "INJUSTICE", airing
on Jan. 6, Channel 7, ABC, @ 10/9
central. Could it have come at a more perfect time? With the gang wars, war on drugs, Tookie, etc?
Will you watch?
Just curious! Could be interesting!
Anonymous said...
Denmark... you do the research, I'm not explaining sh!t to you psuedo intellects!
Right, like you've ever been to jail or subjected to any of the process of the Denmark criminal justice system.
What a joke. Can you tell me what you get for a GTA in Denmark?
How about for a couple burglaries?
Can you tell me if they allow lawyers to charge clients at will for criminal defense, or does their system mandate that the "system" pays for everyone's defense, therefore providing an equitable defense with the same lawyers of equal competence for all defendants across the board.
You have no fucking clue what you are speaking on. You are talking out of your ass.
Denmark's "system" is remarkably similar to ours, BECAUSE THEY USED OURS AS A MODEL!!!!!
Try again.
I just checked out a legal defense website for Denmark.
Part of their disclaimer reads:
"Absence of an attorney from the list is in no way a reflection on competence".
Another part reads:
"Fees and the legal services provided are a matter for agreement solely between the individual and the attorney".
Sounds to me like the poor folks in Denmark can't afford the same attorney that a rich man gets. Sounds like their system is biased toward the almighty dollar too.
BETTER PULL ANOTHER NAME OUT OF THE HAT.
Anonymous said...
"Its called excepting reality. Yeah right, like "the rest of the civilized world" has it over on this country. THAT'S the bullshit.
Maybe you could tell us who has a better and more equitable justice system for the poor than we do."
Denmark... you do the research, I'm not explaining sh!t to you psuedo intellects!
What a dumbass. Of course he says
I'm not explaining shit to you psuedo intellects!
That's because he doesn't know. He's grasping at fucking straws because he knows he can't back up his argument when that other dude puts him out on front street to quit bitching if he can't tell us who has a better system. Then he takes a shot and hopes he's right.
But voila, he gets put in check because he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. That other ese sounds like a fucking lawyer the way he talks "charge clients at will".
if you stupido's would put the the crybabies on ignore maybe they would go away and quit bothering the rest of us with their crying about the system. you guys are just giving them another reason to complain. they don't care if they make any sense or not they just want to complain.it doesn't matter
if somebody proves them wrong. they are like the people who throw out the race card all the time only they throw out the system card
to cry about. put them on ignore.
feeding in to their rhetoric only makes them louder. they have shown what they are really about so don't try and educate them. they won't listen anyway.they are mad and emotional so you might as well talk to a wall.
I agree. If that vato had heart, he might explain other solutions, but he has none. Seriously doubt he has ever had contact within the system. I agree with the vato that lays down the word:
"If you have a better system, explain it, otherwise your talking out of your ass"
besides, its better to see thrugh the ones that claim to be of generous offering. this system may not be right but its the best you can find anywhere. no chavalita crying here. just the way it is.
Chale. There it is.
they hate the gavas and this country. plain and simple. they dislike anything and everything that this country stands for. i'll bet you 10-1 they are college students.
yet they stay here and reap all the
benefits that the system they claim is so fucked up has to offer them. theres alot of idiots in college like that. they equate education with intelligence. they think they're smarter than the rest of us because they've been to college and need to show us that they are smarter. its funny when they get checked and have no answer for it. then the truth becomes obvious and they are exposed for what they are, an educated idiot. they are living proof that there is such a thing as being educated beyond your intelligence.
VIVA AMERICA!!!!!
It's only right to call the best what it is carnalito, the best!! That's why our ancestors came here, and that's why WE stay.
Para de llorar mijo.
Perdiste este.
they hate the gavas and this country. plain and simple. they dislike anything and everything that this country stands for. i'll bet you 10-1 they are college students.
yet they stay here and reap all the
benefits that the system they claim is so fucked up has to offer them. theres alot of idiots in college like that. they equate education with intelligence. they think they're smarter than the rest of us because they've been to college and need to show us that they are smarter. its funny when they get checked and have no answer for it. then the truth becomes obvious and they are exposed for what they are, an educated idiot. they are living proof that there is such a thing as being educated beyond your intelligence.
I WENT TO COLLEGE AND TO SAY GENTE WHO WENT TO COLLEGE ARE ALL THE SAME IS STUPID. THATS LIKE SAYING ALL BLACKS ARE ATHLETIC, ALL MEXICANS LIKE BEANS(I LUV EM). I HAVE HOMIES FROM ALL OVER WHO PUT IN WORK THAT GO TO COLLEGE. SOME SAY THE SYSTEM IS FUCKED AND FIGHT AGAINST IT, OTHERS THINK ITS A HELPING HAND.
YOUR JUST A STRAIGHT UP HATER! YOU JEALOUS OF ALL THOSE PRETTY RUCAS WE GET IN COLLEGE? ITS NOT ABOUT THAT SO QUIT BEING A TRICK.
ON THE OTHER MATTER, I THINK THE SYTEM IS BIASED AND STILL, ITS THE BEST ONE AROUND. LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE IT, ESPECIALLY HERE IN THE GOOD OLE USA.
>>I WENT TO COLLEGE AND TO SAY GENTE WHO WENT TO COLLEGE ARE ALL THE SAME IS STUPID. THATS LIKE SAYING ALL BLACKS ARE ATHLETIC, ALL MEXICANS LIKE BEANS(I LUV EM). I HAVE HOMIES FROM ALL OVER WHO PUT IN WORK THAT GO TO COLLEGE. SOME SAY THE SYSTEM IS FUCKED AND FIGHT AGAINST IT, OTHERS THINK ITS A HELPING HAND. . . .blah blah blah
I guess they didn't teach you how to release the caps lock in college. Maybe you should ask for a refund.
I guess they didn't teach you how to release the caps lock in college. Maybe you should ask for a refund.
THE " YOU SPELL BAD SO YOUR DUMB" OR IN YOUR CASE, "YOU LEFT THE CAPS ON" PEDO AS AN ATTACK IS WEAK. IT SAYS MORE ABOUT YOU THAN ME.
WHENS THAT MONGOL MOVIE COMING OUT? THE SUR COULD HARASS AN ENEMY BY ORGANIZING HARRASSMENT OF THEATER GOERS AND SELLING BOOTLEG COPIES OF THE MOVIE EN MASSE, FOR CHEAP. THAT WOULD CONSTITUE AN ATTACK ON DIC'S POCKETS.
since the mongols are looking to establish an a oaland chapter and already have a san jo chapter, willthey recruit ex surenos from sur varrios up north or retired nortenos? does anyone know.
if the allow retired or ex nortenos into a largely ex sureno gang, will the form the vanguard of a new gang.
too bad because ill always rememeber them for running in laughlin
Instead of the old "liberals,"bleeding hearts", "anti american" "love it or leave it" name calling that accomplishes nothing, why not try and discuss and share ideas that could lead to a "reform" of our medeaval and draconian "justice system? God and the world knows it's not working as we in this country have more people per capita incarcerated than any country on earth except "Red China". Of the prison population,way over 60% are in for drug violations and only a small proportion are violent offenders,so what's the solution?
Many countries have decriminalized drug offenses,can't we institute some other form of intervention?
These are some questions I would like to see dealt with in an honest and intelligent manner instead of some reactionary name calling!
I WENT TO COLLEGE AND TO SAY GENTE WHO WENT TO COLLEGE ARE ALL THE SAME IS STUPID. THATS LIKE SAYING ALL BLACKS ARE ATHLETIC, ALL MEXICANS LIKE BEANS(I LUV EM). I HAVE HOMIES FROM ALL OVER WHO PUT IN WORK THAT GO TO COLLEGE. SOME SAY THE SYSTEM IS FUCKED AND FIGHT AGAINST IT, OTHERS THINK ITS A HELPING HAND.
There you go. Some say it's wrong, some say it's right. Fuck, imagine that!!!!!! People not agreeing on something. People seeing the same thing from two different point of views. Who would of thought it possible?
Ever notice that the people who bitch about the system are the ones who make bad choices and then have to pay a price?
Or maybe their loved ones are in the system, so it sucks.
Their the ones like the mommy and daddy who think little pobrecito can do no wrong and always gets a raw deal. It's always somebody elses fault.
Jesus Christ people, it's EASY to stay out of the criminal justice system. More people from the varrio are not in it than there are in it. Same goes for the ghetto.
If you REALLY don't want to go jail, it's pretty fucking easy to stay out. It's when we start making bad choices that things start going down hill. All these vatos who say "I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time",
what do you want to bet they were
with somebody else who was a thug?
If you don't want fleas, don't run with dogs.
Bottom line is, it aint hard to stay out if YOU REALLY WANT TO!!!
Well there it is, I knew if I laid back a bit it would all return to the same old name calling and shit. The last post I did about revolution and RAZA brought about a ton of badmouthing and sarcasam. But just look at the source of calmheads that responded. I'll say this Don Q. is right about the shit with LE and justice. All those who quicky jump in with all that bullshit about the one and only ture justice system in the world must either be old retired cops or red white and blue fartheads. I'll tell you these if you don't stand up for your rights NOW! You'll soon lose the little you have! and that shit is for real!!
Anonymous said...
Well there it is, I knew if I laid back a bit it would all return to the same old name calling and shit. The last post I did about revolution and RAZA brought about a ton of badmouthing and sarcasam. But just look at the source of calmheads that responded. I'll say this Don Q. is right about the shit with LE and justice. All those who quicky jump in with all that bullshit about the one and only ture justice system in the world must either be old retired cops or red white and blue fartheads. I'll tell you these if you don't stand up for your rights NOW! You'll soon lose the little you have! and that shit is for real!!
How typical of a hypocrite with an ax to grind. He talks about how others were "badmouthing" and "namecalling" and then HE calls
those who disagree with his views FARTHEADS. You see dumbass, this is why people think you're lame. The things you say are as hypoctitical as your ideals and principals. Your VIVA LA REVELUTIONE shit is old and tired, and your hypocrisy is evident for ALL to see.
Because of your elitist attitude you think you are smarter than everybody else. But you and Don Quixote keep it up, I love to see you get slammed when you spout off your rhetoric. There are some intelligent free thinkers who read this blog and call it like it is, and they know whats up. They call you and Don Quixote on your shit and you have no retort. It's funny to see the two of you try your lame ass comebacks and get your rhetoric and bullshit shoved up your culo. KEEP IT UP, your doing more to kill your revelution than if you kept your mouth shut.
Fuck your revolution. Go back to school and talk that masa with the rest of the Mechistas. But oh yeah, stay here and take your affirmative action, interest free student loans, and all the other assistance that the government you badmouth so much gives us. Keep preaching about the RAZA to the racist idiots who want to bite the hand that feeds us. Why you think our RAZA came here? Why do we stay? That other vato is right you are a hypocrite.
Hey revolution guy, you continually
talk about revolution and then have the hypocrisy to respond to those who disagree with you by being sarcastic about them not being calmheads. Weak ese. When the time comes for revolution, those fighting for it won't be calm. You don't bring about a revolution that way. Was Zapata calm in what he went about doing?I'll tell you what, if I wanted a revolution and was one bump higher than you I would order you to cayete. You don't think before you speak.
Anonymous said...
Where's that pussy Dic?
He never answered my chalenge!
That's what I thought. You Mongol's have a punk leading you, and don't answer by saying you will protect him.
He didn't protect your last President!
He ran and left him to die!!
Fuck you all! I piss on all of you!!!
You let a Bad Ass Biker club go to shits!!
Once again fuck you all!!!!!!!
5:17 PM
Anonymous said...
maybe someone can answer this..
i know many mongols,they are cool as fuck,but they never say anything about those fools they got in,from lowell st.,they are greenlighters,and those other guys that live in happy valley,they all roll together,they try to pump up
lowell or happy valley...so how is it that they are allowed to be mongols?cause many varrio drop outs,are exactly that,dropouts!they dont bang their old hood,but these guys do,is that normal or they can band at their choice?
cause when they start shit,and you catch a real mongol,the mongol will say that he is not a gangbanger,but is a biker,and many people can respect that,but when these other guys do their dirt and then hide under the mongol flag,dont you think that the mongols would kick them out?or are all mongols feeling superior to everyone and even the sur?i was just wondering cause many people are getting tired of mongols acting like gangsters,and the mongols just might start fighting a ganbanging style war,thats if gangbangers or cholos get a grudge
with the mongols that would crossover with other varrios,well i dont know but i was just curious to those facts.
6:47 PM
To the people talking about liberals being socialists..
What the fuck are you idiots talking about?
The last two years of Clinton's presidency was the most prosperous CAPITALIST economy this country's ever seen.
Where in the hell did you see socialism, other than in your fantical, delusional minds?
People were working in the 1990s, because there actually were good jobs to work at.
The closest thing we have to socialism in this country is the corporate bailouts given to large companies, and the no bid contracts given to oil companies.
Bush is driving this country into the ground, just to take care of a few of his friends. THAT'S where the socialism is.
P.S.
Tom Hayden's cool as hell. I met him at USC 5 years ago. He's sure as hell smarter than you dumb fucks who throw the word 'socialism' around without even knowing what it means.
Did you go to the mall to Christmas shop? PACKED!!!!
My house is worth 3 times as much as when I bought it 9 years ago.
Inflation is low. Unemployment is the lowest it's been in 11 years.
Gas is lower than it was this time last year.
All this while funding a war.
HEY BUSH HATER...GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR CULO AND PICK SOMETHING ELSE TO BITCH ABOUT CAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE HIM.
What a dumbfuck. Idiots like you are the best advertisements the Republican party has.
The old "We don't like him so we'll make shit up" is seen through by the rest of the country.
Try debating something you at least have a little bit of knowledge about. Educate yourself on the issues. But don't make assinine comments for all to see, thereby showing your stupidity.
If you want Socialism---------
HILLARY IN 08!!!!
>>I guess they didn't teach you how to release the caps lock in college. Maybe you should ask for a refund.
THE " YOU SPELL BAD SO YOUR DUMB" OR IN YOUR CASE, "YOU LEFT THE CAPS ON" PEDO AS AN ATTACK IS WEAK. IT SAYS MORE ABOUT YOU THAN ME.<<
Actually, I was pointing out something about your credibility. I don't know how old you are, but for quite awhile now they've been using computers to write term papers and such. They don't accept things in ALL CAPS, so I'm saying maybe that casts some doubt on your story. That says something about you.
SSSShhhhh, you guys that keep slamming the revolutionaries and the system bashers and the Bush haters be quiet. Let them talk their smack and go away. They obviously can't get anyone in the public segment to take them seriously, so they do their thing here. Quit arguing with them. They aren't going to listen to factual debate. In their warped minds,They have an agenda they MUST spread. They need somebody to argue with them in order for them to feel legitimized. Don't get off on the fact that you prove them wrong, it doesn't matter. Not to them and not to those that think like them. They have hate in their heart and no amount of intelligent rebuttal
can disuade them from their agenda.
Let them make fools of themselves and go away.
Grab your Kleen-x. Get yourself together.
Some idiots in here were calling American liberals 'socialists'; Which if fucking absurd.
The greatest capitalist economy this country ever saw was under Bill Clinton, a liberal Democrat.
Stop using the word 'socialist' everytime your dim fucking head runs out of ideas, and I won't make fun of your boneheaded, coke addict president.
Got it, neo con?
Now stop whining like a bitch.
Anyone watch MTV True Life tonight? Had some Mexican dude from L.A., who was paralyzed from his gang days, working with other gang members and trying to get them out of the life.
They showed a bunch of pics of him in his banging days, throwing up a 'c' sign. I'm guessin Clanton. They don't say.
Anyhow, it's one continuing segment broken off into a few parts of an hour long program about young people and gun ownership.
And the true Bush hater speaks, and shows us his TRUE colors'
"I won't make fun of YOUR coke addict boneheaded president".
Must be a real bitch to know that the liberals couldn't defeat a
coke addicted bonehead in the election. We know pobrecito, you are just soooo much smarter than most in the country.
That's the very definition of elitism.
What does that say about the Democrats that they can't run somebody, ANYBODY, from their party
and defeat a coke addicted bonehead.
Hmmmm, maybe he's not a coke addicted bonehead. Maybe he's got different political philosophies than you and your party.
Fuck those grapes are sour chavalito.
Para de llorar mijo.
Relax mad bitter one. You've still got two years to wait till you get your party back in power. MAYBE.
Hillary in 08?
That's a long time to whine and bitch que no?
If I was pissed as you are I'd go to Canada or Mexico. You know, like ALL those Hollywood types who promised us they would leave if Bush got elected. WOLF TICKETS.
There still here, and so are you,
so why don't you shut the fuck up
and act like a man, instead of a whining sniveling chavala who's pissed cause she didn't get what she wanted. Fuck it, better yet, join the Democratic National Comittee and go to work for them.
Don't you get tired of sitting around whining but not doing anything about it?
Liberals are so lame they can't even unseat a Texas hick who's a coke addicted bonehead and war monger who's a sellout to the oil companies.
When you can't defeat somebody like that, YOU'RE A BIGGER LOSER THAN HE IS.
>>I guess they didn't teach you how to release the caps lock in college. Maybe you should ask for a refund.
THE " YOU SPELL BAD SO YOUR DUMB" OR IN YOUR CASE, "YOU LEFT THE CAPS ON" PEDO AS AN ATTACK IS WEAK. IT SAYS MORE ABOUT YOU THAN ME.<<
ACTUALLY, I WAS POINTING OUT SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR CREDIBILITY. I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD YOU ARE, BUT FOR QUITE AWHILE NOW THEY'VE BEEN USING COMPUTERS TO WRITE TERM PAPERS AND SUCH. THEY DON'T ACCEPT THINGS IN ALL CAPS, SO I'M SAYING MAYBE THAT CASTS SOME DOUBT ON YOUR STORY. THAT SAYS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU.
does a rose, by any other name,
not smell the same?
see, i can write in all small caps too.
(thanks ese,for enganging my wit, ill be laughing at my response all morning)
Wow, some crazy shit you all have come up with, I'm a hypocrite huh? ok, ok maybe you're the one whose finally going to shut me up, I think not! You see what you and all the other masaheads don't seem to realize is that the same right [s] you keep trying to deny me [and all others]with the same opioins is total bullshit [whose the hypocrite]. If my retohric brothers you so much, just do the same you would do with a radio or t.v. turn it off all you have to do is pass it up when see the word REVOLUTION, and hey you'll be free to perouse the rest of the fine articules on this most ospisous blog. As for anyone else who disagrees with my views, hey thats what its all about! nothing wrong with that, in fact its welcome thats what an interchange of thoughts is all about. But for those of you who would shut me and Don Q. and anyother free thinker up, up yours shit for brains, oh yes i did use some badmouthing here. So horray for you who thinks that makes me a hypocrite.
Revolutionary, your long-winded and self-righteous commentary is beautiful. It shows those that are able to think critically and use deductive reasoning where your coming from.
You take the victims role and say those who disagree with you are trying to deny you and
(and all others) right(s). That's a tired, weak, and obvious tactic of a person who's losing an argument. Nobody's trying to shut you up or deny you rights, but hey, nice try. One dude said we should be quiet so you COULD spout off your rhetoric and anti-American views.
Doesn't sound like trying to shut you up to me. But what's REALLY beatiful, is your insinuation that people who disagree with you are trying to deny you your rights.
What rights would those be?
How has anyone tried to shut you up?
Like throwing out the race card, you toss out the "deny me of my rights" and "shut me up" shit because you are getting lambasted for your views. Make somebody else the oppressor, and THEY have to be the bad guy.
But what is the most telling, is the statement you made: "you and all the other masaheads".
That shows your elitism and narcicisstic view of yourself as compared to others. It's evident in what you say, and HOW you say it.
Of course you would latch on to Don Quixote and keep referring to him as the opressed with you. BY THE BOOK, RIGHT ON SCHEDULE. You find someone, anyone, who MIGHT agree with your revolutionary agenda and evoke his name in each of your arguments. Falsely point out to somebody else that they are being victimized in order to make a comrade. Classic propaganda
101 tactic.
You know what son, if the government you and Don Quixote badmouth so frequently operated the way you claim they do, your revolutionary talk would have already ended, because you would have got a knock at the door and hauled off to the gulag.
But of course, we don't operate that way.
A rose by any other name is just as sweet. And your bullshit, no matter how loud and often you yell it, is still bullshit.
Viva America, where you HAVE THE RIGHT to say the shit you do against the country. Think about it kid, the same goverment that you're trying to overthrow and you say denies you rights gives you the right to say your anti-goverment rhetoric. THAT'S THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF HYPOCRISY.
(thanks ese,for enganging my wit, ill be laughing at my response all morning)
Now there's a vato who cracks himself up. What an egotistic fuck.
Dang! Like That! vato ain't "egotistic" man, he put the hush on.
Like the vato said: VIVA AMERICA!
We look around this place, and we don't see any gavas taking refuge south.
Si los Estados Unidos es un pais tan injusto porque todos quieren venir y agarrar un pedaso del "pastel" porque no hay "pie". Este es el pais de oportunidades.
If it were such a "Bad System" surely the raza would not come. Socially, our people are family driven, conservative and generally reject the message of liberalism.
Like the previous poster said:
"Save it for the brain dead"
This carnal appreciates opportunity.
I don't think many of you are getting the point.
This country is better off when Democrats are in charge.
Our most peaceful and prosperous time ever was when Clinton was President.
Clinton wanted to go after Bin Ladin, but the Republican Congress wanted to impeach him instead. They spent billions of our tax dollars on that impeachment. For an extramaritial affair! Nothing more. well, that and bringing Clinton down. Talk about haters...
There was even a Republican Congressman from Texas, Graham, I believe, who said that Clinton was only bringing up Bin Ladin because he was trying to distract people from the Lewinsky scandal. Then this Graham guy said that Bin Ladin ins't a threat! That's a Republican, and a key player in the Clinton impeachment trial. I thought those Republicans were supposed to be the vigilant ones when it came to national security? Hell no.
When Clinton left office, he swore to Bush that Bin Ladin would define his presidency.;
Bush had several warnings from the CIA of an impending attack. There was even one report where then San Francico Mayor Willie Brown got a phone call from one of his insiders in Washington that told him 'don't fly on tuesday.'.
Shit, the whole world knew there was going to be an attack on sept. 11th, except for Bush, it seemed.
So, it's not about America being the best, it's about America even being better. And the only way it's going to get better is with Democrats. Republicans are only going to take care of a select few. Oh, they'll make sure this is still the best country...MILITARILY. But the middle class will dissappear and we'll go into a depression, just like the last time those fuckers controlled all branches of government. The people that control that party don't give a fuck about y'all. That's what it's all about. Not about America being the best. You guys have been just as brainwashed with that shit as any liberal has with socialism.
Hella Mexicans supporting Bush because his wife his half Mexican, and he speaks a little Spanish.
I've got some beach front property in Arizona, too, if any of you vatos are interested...
Clinton: Peace, Prosperity, Hope
Bush: War, Downsizing, Despair, and, of course, good old fashion denial.
The nonsense people say in support of Bush sounds more and more like the violins playing when the Titanic is going down. They sound like they don't even believe what they're saying anymore.
And, who was this fucker talking about the malls being packed? What a dumbass. Havent you heard of credit cards? This shit is all on the banks, and the banks are starting to tighten their belts. Have any of you idiots taken your American Flag off long enough to read a business section of any Newspaper since Bush told you that your either with him or with the terrorists?
Those malls aren't packed because people have just cashed their paychecks. They work at fucking Target!!! The crumbs they get from their pacheck is spent on the frozen pizzas that they stuff down their throats and add pounds to those fat waddling bodies you kept rubbing up against while doing your window shopping at ol galleria.
Those people just got their credit cards in the mail, right on time for the holidays. Guess who's getting the tab? You and me.
Go back to SeanHannity.com and get more ideas, ya dumb fucking hack!
Que onda vato?
Wha? WTF?
You think were STUPID?
LIBERAL WRITES:
" Oh, they'll make sure this is still the best country...MILITARILY."
Get the fuck out.
Like YOU and your pussy friends will do better? We heard you right, we got it right...so, now go back to your political campaign and preach your bullshit to the choir. So, your just jealous a BUSH with latino mix blood will some day be presidente?
get the fuck out you racists.
Chale. Homeboy got that shit down.
P.S. Gava/mix=MANGO HYNA!
Hey Democratic Party cheerleader,
you finally drop the act and announce your true agenda. After, of course, you get pissed off cause you get called on your bullshit. Then you just can't help yourself.
Bush has done more for the RAZA than Clinton EVER did you stupid fuck. You keep listening to Political Science professors at school, and the rest of us will keep analyzing Bushs' ACTIONS.
Bush has taken a lot of heat from his own party due to his stand on immigration and the amnesty/brazero
programs he keeps trying to get passed. He COULD just give in to the ultra-conservatives in his own party, solidify his legacy as a true conservative, and stop immigration. But he doesn't. He did the same when he was Governor in Tejas. You talk all this shit about him, and praise Clinton, yet who is the one who has done more
(and is attempting to do even more)
for our RAZA?
Your shit doesn't add up dumbass.
Your college professors have obviously indoctrinated you and you ignore what you see with your own eyes. Is that because you are brain-dead and can't think for yourself? Or are you just stupid?
Either way, you sound like a white-liberal from the west side.
Like that other vato said, just what DOES it say that your beloved Democrats couldn't beat a "coke addicted bonehead".
You're all tortilla and no beans,
all hype and no substance.
Lets see now. Who's REALLY for the poor?
Cinton-welfare reform and cutbacks
Bush- Record spending on welfare and social programs
Que paso mijo? Who's the poor man's friend?
You are a mini-me for your college professors. Rich gava's who've never spent a day in the REAL world. Daddy and mommy paid for their college, then they were grad students, and now they are professors. They are elitist intellectual idealogues who have NO CLUE what it takes to run a country. They are pie-in-the-
sky dreamers who base their political stance on THEORY and NOT REALITY. And as long as they've got impressionable YOUNG pendejos like you, who will lap up the bullshit they preach, they will keep their power base entrenched.
They preach against war, but can't tell you what governs the world other than force. They preach sensitivity and compassion, and can't explain the worlds violence beyond the word "hate". Total and complete ideologues mijo.
A free thinker can see their pedo. I GUESS THAT LEAVES YOU OUT!!!!!
How many Hispanics did Clinton have in his cabinet? How many did he nominate for the Supreme Court?
Actions speak louder than words youngster. And there is no denying the FACT that Bush is more of a friend to RAZA than Clinton ever was.
You are so off the mark radar couldn't find you. So full of shit it's a miracle you don't sprout daises.
VIVA AMERICA....AND VIVA BUSH POR LA RAZA!!!!!!
Anonymous said...
Clinton: Peace, Prosperity, Hope
Bush: War, Downsizing, Despair, and, of course, good old fashion denial.
Wow. It doesn't get any more "soundbite" than that. Yeah kid, yada yada yada. Then you call those who disagree with your views "dumb hacks".
I think it's pretty obvious for ALL to see who the hack is, a hack for the Democratic party. Go call Tom Hayden and put some work in on his campaign...lol
Anonymous said...
Bush had several warnings from the CIA of an impending attack. There was even one report where then San Francico Mayor Willie Brown got a phone call from one of his insiders in Washington that told him 'don't fly on tuesday.'.
Are you telling us that DEMOCRAT
Willie Brown knew of the attack but said nothing?
DAMN, you mean former House Speaker Brown knew of the 911 attack before it happened and did nothing to stop it? Didn't even pass the word on?
COME ON KID, YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THAT PURO PEDO.
You're fucking hilarious. I could say after AFTER an earthquake:
" I got a call telling me not to be in any tall buildings that day".
IT DOESN'T GET MUCH WEAKER THAN THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are blinded by your anger for Bush, and it's causing you to say some REALLY STUPID SHIT.
bush,clinton,dems.,reps.?..wtf happened to this blog man..what happened to all the dry snitching?..lol
i'll tell you what happened to this blog. you got a few vatos who strayed from the purpose of this blog and try to inject their political agendas and revolutionary ideas. then some other vatos take them to task for it. it really doesn't matter if wally isn't giving us anything new anyhow. while theres no new news from wally or anything from
la pinta its just time killing.
There were 22 comments posted on the subject, some attempts at humor
regarding Tookies execution, and the usual bantering back and forth.
THEN:
Don Quixote said
Right on! finally justice for the victims.
JUSTICE IS BLIND!
signed:
OJ
Robert Blake
The Menendez Brothers
Randy "Duke" Cunningham
Raphael Perez "Rampart Division"
George Bush's "crackhead neice"
Ken "Kenny baby" Lay "Enron"
Micheal Jackson
"George Bush and Field Marshall Cheney"
(yea we bugged 20,000 phones and internet messages without a judges approval but we did it for ya'all" And who ratted us out! this is an outrage!!!
The shit was off and rolling.It started getting away from the subject cause this guy ONCE AGAIN just had to make a political statement and use the blog to talk pedo about Bush.
So then you got guys responding to him. It turns in to an argument about politics and the system.
Then there were 66 posts about a variety of things, the mongols, the lady with the 3-way phone call,
ck out the new blogs, GED's, etc.
THEN
Anonymous said...
Well there it is, I knew if I laid back a bit it would all return to the same old name calling and shit. The last post I did about revolution and RAZA brought about a ton of badmouthing and sarcasam. But just look at the source of calmheads that responded. I'll say this Don Q. is right about the shit with LE and justice. All those who quicky jump in with all that bullshit about the one and only ture justice system in the world must either be old retired cops or red white and blue fartheads. I'll tell you these if you don't stand up for your rights NOW! You'll soon lose the little you have! and that shit is for real!!
The "revolution" guy can't help himself either and has to inject his political agenda. He gets Don Quixote's back in the process. Now it turns into a fucking free for all about politics and ideologies.
It's ALL here for you to see, just scroll up and ck it out. We have Don Quixote and the revolutionary to thank for the subject matter straying. Of course those other vatos don't have to respond to their pedo. But I guess it's like this: either they talk their pedo without getting called on it, or they are taken to task by those with differing views. It's plain to see that they aren't going to quit, so they might as well get called on it and told what's up.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL.
Perhaps a New Years resolution for
those who are viewers of this blog could be to stay on the subject matter without straying into your personal and political agendas.
Don Quixote, you HATE Bush. WE GOT IT. Revolutionary, we know you want
Aztlan, WE GOT IT.
Can you stick to the subject now?
How's this for being politicall correct. The CDC is going to integrate because of ONE dude who sued. How many people will die because of this? A whole bunch, but
homeboy threw the race card in and they folded.
If you ignore what is, and do things based on the way you wish it could be, it's going to get expensive. Now it's going to cost a bunch of people their lives.
Ok whats the subject? its been a while since a good came up.
OH, plEaSe, dOn'T stop NoW I WaS
jUsT GeTting iNtO ThiS BanTer..
I'm UsInG UpPeR aNd LoWeR CaSe LetTeRs So YoU guYs CaN ReaLLy bE cOnfUsed TrYing To FigUre Out If I wEnt To ColleGe or Not, If I am
rEpubLican (drUggY)WhosE WifE is UndeRStaNdinG anD ProBaBly Co-DependenT, Or Not, Should RUn for PresiDent BecAuse She Is AloT lIke Many WoMan ToDay, SmaRt, StRong, ComPasSionate,Forgiving,loves her man despite MaJor FlAws, just lIke MoM, etC. or DemoCrat(LyIng DrUgGy, LyIng WomanizER) with Lesbian, VictiM, FuTurE PreSideNt WiFe, UnDerStanDing And
ForGivIng, LoveS His WeaKness, makes her Look BeTteR (Like JacKie O.) bEcAuse She Got ThIs FaR, No StupiD Man WiTh HiS DicK in His HaND is GoiNG to SToP me Now.
Now can we keep going with the "cops, prosecuters, gangs, etc. etc. We can't do much, without a majority, about who will be in the White House next election, in what 3 years? We have to live with what we have now. It's not so bad, except for the fear some of us have to live with because of who we know, where we live, etc. Can't do much about the war in Iraq, which, statiscally, has killed less of our young men than have died on our own city streets, over bullshit, like drugs and hynas and respect.
Let's move on, actually, if we read the papers or live near a hood or know someone in the pinta can get new info without Wally, if we really wanted to.....
Regarding Denmark!
For those complaining about my country. I was born and raised here, have worked here, owned businesses here, hired immigrants, who needed a job, had a child with an immigrant from Spain via Argentina (his family of 11 emigrated there to avoid the older sons fighting in WWII) and had a child with a first generation Puerto Rican,(whose parents moved from Puerto Rico to New York than L.A. in order to give their 9 kids, a good life) I raised my kids alone for the last 10 years, here, with no child support or welfare (I didn't have my children so I could collect welfare or child support, if I couldn't work and afford them, I shouldn't have had them in the first place. I paid taxes, and have worked 90 hours a week at times in order to give my kids what they need. In other countries people stay together, they don't have the temptations we have here and the loose attitudes, so the need for them to divorce is low and they arent forced to support their old family, as well as their new family like we do here.
I have also traveled extensively, for business. My boss is Danish. I have been to Denmark 5 times, nice place to visit only and unless you're Danish, forget about getting anything like you get here. They are a small country, 5 million people, alot have moved here, ever hear of Solvang, CA? The number of pigs is 3 times more than the number of people, 15 mil. They have socialized medicine, however, if you are over 70, and no longer in the work force, and need a major operation, forget about it, why prolong a life that is no longer productive for the country, the young are well taken care of cause they don't want them to leave, It's true! You make alot of money but taxed 50% or so, to pay for the medical and other socialized programs. They get 6 weeks of vacation a year and love to travel around to other countries, cause they can. Their main immigrant influx is Pakistani. Yes, like us they have people willing to do the work that we are too high and mighty to do, they made some kind of deal with them but the Danish people tolerate not really like the idea. They have a welfare system but you better be able to work soon, cause nobody rides for free.
They all drink too much, drugs are in Copenhagan, the capital, where the students are but not in the rural towns. After retirement, if you don't own a farm, all you do is drink and eat, cause they have nothing else to do, they drop like flies at relatively early ages. The ones that don't drink last longer. It's Cold there, and dark. Not enough warm months to make a living selling dope on the street and bang, so they all just work, what a concept, everyone has a nice car(usully traded in every 2 years, and there are no junk cars just laying around, they get rid of them and you need a bicycle, cause is snows everywhere, alot. They smile alot and are pretty happy, content people, who socialize and families live near each other and they all know each other in the town,and some are wealthy, some middle and I never saw any poverty, that is only in the big city. There might be 2 bars and no liquor stores, just markets. You buy your eggs at the chicken ranch (you leave the money in a box that anyone can take, but the honor system is in full force and there is no need to steal, and your bread, every day at the baker, and the cheese and meat from the cheese factory and butcher, respectively or go to a regular market, where it is more expensive. Gasoline is $5.00 plus per liter, not gallon and and cigarettes are $6.00 plus per pack and they smoke like crazy.
It is a very simple, routine, mundane, healthy, productive existance, and the need for a Justice System is only for the idiots who traveled abroad and then came home and thought they could get away with whatever they learned abroad, mostly the younger gen. There are alot of Hell's Angels but they aren't like the ones we have here. The cops know everybody, without profiling, he's one of them, a friend, and there are only 2-5 per town, if that, more if a large town.. Americans would die of sheer boredom, there are only 3 channels and CNN, and the news is usually about other places. Their local news is always about someone they know,they celebrate everything and put on great parties, the news is usually about someone doing something good, no pursuits, no drive-bys, murders? are like not an issue in the small towns but are minimal even in large towns. Of course the city is usually the hotbed but why live in the city, you can do whatever you want, as long as it's legal, in the suburbs. Who are you going to kill? They all like each other. I've been to Germany, England, Poland, Japan, and Mexico, too and they are all nice places but you won't find a hell of alot of Americans there, cause we like it here.
Maybe if people got out of their neighborhoods, which used to be nice neighborhoods, back in the day,when even the poor had pride and a shack could still be clean and comfortable, now they are more ghetto looking cause no one does anything but sell drugs and get high, you'd think that with all the meth use, people would be rushing around and getting things done, yeah right, but that's another issue, entirely. All I can say is people must like it like that. Why don't you use your dope money and fix it up it's the same as the taxpayers dollars of mine that are used for thing I never see or need. Quit being so damn lazy and quit getting high, which should be a pleasurable thing, not a medication, done in the right quantities, everything can be pleasurable, not use it to forget how rotten your poor life is. Take a drive out of your pinche varrio and look around anywhere else, just for a day, you might just see that you are the problem, not the place where you live. The dirt under your feet is the same everywhere, how you choose to live on it is up to you. You have hands, brains that you use to concoct a crime, use it for something constructive.
Having said all that, I wouldn't trade living in America for another country even if you paid me a million dollars. This is the greatest place, and we have so many opportunities, and don't have to be stuck in rut, we can do anything we want, anytime we want, whenever we want. Unfortunately, unlike other countries, our kids somehow aren't as well educated by the time they graduate high school and too many do not continue on to college, i blame parents who shouldn't be. The kids need to be taught how to keep their clothes on, but again if there wasn't alcohol and drugs for the courage, their would be less sexual activity, less kids getting into trouble, less doing crimes. Everyone in Denmark goes to college, they love knowledge and most know more than one language. Actually, the Danish language itself is different depending on the area you come from. If you are from Copenhagen, you speak only the Queen's English, they know the second you open your mouth if you are from the country and can tell from which part, kind of like here, I can tell who is from Highlad Park, or from Compton, ha ha, Our language has been butchered, no matter where we hail from, right bras, eses, cabrons,putas, hos, fartheads, pendejos, idiots, jeez! We have the tendency to ruin just about everything that was good, even our language. What is it?
Why do we have so many ungrateful and ignorant people here, we have everything we need at our fingertips, actually I don't qualify for half the benefits that a woman, my age from another country can get with no background check I certainly couldn't move to another country and get it there either. I either have to depend on a man, NOT, it never lasts, eventually, all men end up drunks, drug addicts and/or womanizers, so I work so that I don't have to worry that if I mess up I won't know where to get my next meal. Woman here are not regarded very highly but men still tend to need us for one thing or another.
I hope you all read this, any questions? Go ahead, shoot 'em.
I hope you are more enlightened anyway. There is a lot more than gang banging in this world, if you decide to change, you have free will, we all do!
^^^^^^^^^
Denmark... you do the research, I'm not explaining sh!t to you psuedo intellects!
Lol. There you go. Will you getting a passport soon to take your bullshit over there?
I didn't think so.
Now can we keep going with the "cops, prosecuters, gangs, etc. etc. We can't do much, without a majority, about who will be in the White House next election, in what 3 years? We have to live with what we have now. It's not so bad, except for the fear some of us have to live with because of who we know, where we live, etc. Can't do much about the war in Iraq, which, statiscally, has killed less of our young men than have died on our own city streets, over bullshit, like drugs and hynas and respect.
Chale. All the Bush haters and peaceniks don't want to hear that shit, cause it's real. In one month during a WAR, there were more American's murdered in Detroit
than KIA in Iraq. But that's on the hush-hush. I wonder what the total would be if you added up all America's gang related murders for 2005 against the American's KIA in the war in Iraq??????????
I would give you 100-1 there were more gang murders than KIA in Iraq.
That's why the peaceniks, anti-war,
and Bush haters aren't taken seriously.
Real is real, even if you don't like it.
Chale. There it is. cameradas on the bush thing got it right, but the tom hayden crap was way out of line. Shut up already. And don't think the raza is all that stupid, and we toe the line on all that. DQ could use some lessons in PC world he shouts his liberal bias from...like a tower over the yard. We called his PC shit, and we are smarter than he gives credit.
To be sure, our brothers are over there to make certain the pedo doesn't hit here. If that action SAVES ONE child, from harm here in the USA....We say...
VIVA BUSH!
That's it.
Let's see,
Paying for repairs of 9/11
Funding a war
Rebuilding New Orleans
Spending more on welfare and social programs than any other government in history
The stock market hasn't crashed.
Look around at the shape we're in
in spite of all that. Sounds like the economy is doing pretty good under the "coke addicted bonehead".
Sounds like the Texas hick just might know what he's doing.
I challenge you to show me statistics pointing to where the economy is doing good, that don't count fast food jobs and other minimum wage jobs.
Of course the economy is good for the high traders on Wall Street. (Espcially those that own stock in Halliburton)
And, who said spending made Bush a good president? Shit, Clinton had us in a surplus and the economy he oversaw was fucking Utopian compared to what we're seeing today.
Also, the decline began before the war. As soon as Bush took office it was pump and dump time on Wall Street. Then, you have to consider the necessity and even the legality of this war.
Did Hussein have weapons of mass destruction? No.
Is the world safer now without Saddam Hussein? No. Anyone in London could tell you that...
In fact, the world is more dangerous. Rather we liked Hussein or not, the extremist muslim movement was practically non-existant in Iraq. Hussein was a secularist, and devout Muslims viewed him no differently than the view the United States.
And if we went into Iraq to avenge the mass slaughtering of Iraqi citizens, a mass killing that took place when Reagan was in office, while Reagan knew it, and did nothing about it whatsover because Saddam was our ally against the Soviet Union, wouldn't you say we were a couple of decades late?
To paraphrase a certain person here; Bush's Iraq War is 'PURO PEDO'.
We should have stayed in Afghanistan, a country that WELCOMED us, and spent all of our resources there; Especially being that it is more likely where Osama Bin Ladin (When's the last time Bush mentioned that name, huh?) and his top cohorts are.
So, the Iraq war is no excuse for the deficit we're in. Bringing it up is no defense of Bush, in fact, it's to the contrary; It just points to another one of his disasterous blunders. And disasterous blunder is putting it nicely. We may find out soon that there was an agenda behind it that was soley about making money for the people that got him into the White House to begin with.
Nobody's denying that America is the greatest country on Earth. It is. The problem is that Bush is the WORST President this country could have. A puppet completely owned by the oil industry? I don't know how you guys could support him and feel clean. If I ever said anything even remotely complimentary as to what the President is doing right now regarding the economy and Iraq, I'd have to take a long, hot shower.
I'm not saying Democrats are the end answer to all of our problems, either. I'd take John McCain over Bush, a million times out of a million. In fact, he would be our President if it wasn't for Bush and his sick fucking campaign team. Some patriots, the way they took down a war hero like McCain. Did you guys forget about that? You probably don't even know it. You won't find it on the Republican National Committee's talking points page...
Now, back to this blog;
I find it really intersting that some of you are calling for the real cops and gang bangers to get back over here and tell their reality based stories to add insight to the blog, while in the same breath trashing Don Quixote, who is one of those people.
Talk about a political agenda....But, when you guys do it, it's 'patriotism', right?
How surprising that YOU would think Bush is the WORST president we could have. Imagine that, a left-wing anti-war college guy hating Bush, GO FIGURE.
War for oil, no WMD's, sellout to the oil companies, coke addicted bonehead, moron, etc. etc.
AND YOU AND YOUR BELOVED DEMOCRATS STILL COULDN'T UNSEAT HIM??
How big of losers does that make you?
You fall into the standard hype the Dems put out and say the same shit. Old, tired, weak, and bunk.
And fortunately for country, and so infuriating to you haters, the rest of the country don't buy it.
So enlightened you're "blinded by your own brightness".
As far as the economy, it IS in good shape. Way too long of an explanation to type hear. Just another example of haters making shit up because you won't give Bush props for ANYTHING. He hasn't made ONE good call since he's been in office in your opinion. That's the thing that lets the rest of the country know where you're coming fropm. Statements like "Bush is the WORST president we could have" show your agenda and your anger. Really, ANYBODY BUT BUSH HUH? How about Tom Hayden?
Michael Moore? Nancy Pelosi? Al Sharpton? Antonio Villaraigosa?
You guys are pissed. Just can't stand that Tejas hick.
By the way, did Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Madeline Albright, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, etc. etc. ever say
that they were certain Hussein had
WMD's?????? YES THEY DID. Old, tired, weak.
Here's what I know. We sat around on our ass while terrorists were upping the anty and getting bolder
and more injurious with their attacks. Then 9/11 took place. Bush didn't sit on his ass.
We haven't been attacked since. Plain and simple.
By the way, all your anti-war hacks saying the Iraqi's don't want us over there, we're an occupying force, etc. etc.
How do you explain that 80% of them voted in the last election?
ssshhhh, don't say anything about that. That might make Bush look like a visionary, like he's doing the right thing and is a humanitarian.
He won. He's doing a pretty good job. Get over it.
Peace at ALL cost, right
StillNoScript?
You deserve to live in a Democracy,
but those people in Iraq don't, RIGHT?
Elitist.
Obvious for all to see.
StillNoScript said...
Also, the decline began before the war. As soon as Bush took office it was pump and dump time on Wall Street. Then, you have to consider the necessity and even the legality of this war.
Me and my broker must have missed the stock market crash you're talking about. I'm doing ok.
StillNoScript said...
I find it really intersting that some of you are calling for the real cops and gang bangers to get back over here and tell their reality based stories to add insight to the blog, while in the same breath trashing Don Quixote, who is one of those people.
Don Quixote gets argued with when he takes off on a "our system sucks" or "Bush sucks" tangent.
So, you think cause he's done time he gets a pass on political commentary? LAME. Would you give a pass to a C/O who was engaging in political commentary contrary to your beliefs? That's what I thought.
If Don Quixote was taking about personal experience or news from la pinta nobody would give two shits. It's when he goes into political commentary that he gets replies. Once again, your assertion is LAME.
StillNoScript said...
Nobody's denying that America is the greatest country on Earth. It is.
Get off Stillnoscripts case...he's come a long way admitting things like this.
It's incredible to me that anyone would even try to be an apologist for our inept, and barely functioning justice system. It's like a cancer that is at the same time killing and metastisizing, and using all our money and resources.
There are many people who understand this, (unless they are palace enuchs or are profiting from the "prison industrial complex") and from all parts of the political spectrum.
Our justice system is in a meltdown and not working! If denial and flag waving do it for you then right on, the tooth fairy will put that dime under your pillow!
If we do not soon reform our inept and draconian system of justice and all it's ramifications like race, class, ecomomics, I feel that all our children and grandchildrens futures will be jeapordized.
And reform starts at the top, so if that rattles you Bush supporters then so be it. Even the Republicans wouldn't accept "Harriet the Secretariat" for Supreme Court Justice. And how can we expect our youngsters to live a morally righteous existence when our so called leaders are so corrupt and diabolical.
I long for the good old days of Clinton when we had respect in the world, when we had a record money surplus instead of a record deficit, when jobs were plentiful, there was no 911, no Iraq war (mission accomplished!) no Hurricane Katrina fiasco, no spying on our own people, no Tom Delay,Halliburton/KBR, Enron, World COm, pandering to religious nuts like Fallwell/Robertson, itc; etc;
And all we could complain about was a President (Clinton) who enjoyed a little office "fellatio" with the fat girl instead of a President (Bush) who enjoys "sodomy" with the American people!
Don Q, that is nice but you still haven't gave any solutions, all you do is complain about "the system". That is just making you look stupid, no offense. If all you do is criticize and don't provide any solutions then you just look foolish.
And one more thing to everyone, the president does not control the economy. Every single economist agrees with that. It is very small minded when people try to argue their case by saying, "The economy was better when he was president". The economy always hits its high marks and low marks. It is just that Clinton got lucky with his term.
And again people that complain about the economy don't really offer real solutions. They say "Outsourcing". Right, like anyone was going to stop that, Liberal or Conservative.
Don Quixote said...
If we do not soon reform our inept and draconian system of justice and all it's ramifications like race, class, ecomomics, I feel that all our children and grandchildrens futures will be jeapordized.
Sounds like Communism to me. Everybody's the same. No upper class, no lower class, no economic divide between the people.
THAT'S CALLED COMMUNISM.
Is that what you're after?
Redistibution of the wealth so everyone makes the same amount of money. Or at least there's very little difference between those with menial jobs and professionals.
That's been tried before.
Can you say Soviet Union?
Mr. Quixote, are you a closet Communist?
I guess we could legalize everything. That's called ANARCHY.
Survival of the fittest. America will be gone in less than two years.
We could do that.
Or we could enact the death penalty
for petty crimes. THAT would alleviate the number of people in prison.
We could do that.
Or we could take away peoples civil liberties so they didn't have the ability to even test the system.
We could do that.
When I consider all the alternatives, I'll stick with what we've got.
check out this link, there's some pretty crazy shit on there:
http://www.joepusher.com/tour.htm
Or, since everyone around the world insists coming here and perpertrating the crimes they were taught as children in their countries, like carrying weapons at 8 years old, wearing bombs, carrying shoe boxes with bombs, learning how to panhandle and steal to survive, since they can do it here with alot less punishment and are treated as equals to American citizens, who don't as a child, learn these wonderful little tricks,we wouldn't need all of these prisons and money to keep one inmate per year alone, 35,000.00 to house, which does not include dental and medical which we also pay for, I can't even afford insurance. I think if I need a sex change, or dentures or a heart transplant,I might just want to commit a crime so I can get the services I need but cannot afford as a working class, tax paying American born, woman who had to pay cash to the doctor and the hospital in order to have my children.
Do you think the prisons would be so full and the Justice system so backed up and clogged if we did not allow people from other countries to enter ours for assylum?
Why don't we take the money we would have spent on someone who might be compelled to commit crimes due to upbringing or whatever and offer to him or his family as a child and tell him he has to go to school and finish and when completed hand him the money we would have spent on him anyway starting at 13 in juvenile hall or cya (baby prison, as you like to call it) Why do we have a baby prison, do they have those in other countries? And how about giving the same kid $35,000.00 a year for a college education, money we would have spent to incarcerate him if he had taken that other route.
What incentive do our children have who are born here and like me,
can't afford to send my kids to college, to do good, where is the reward? My sons have never been to prison, and I have nothing to say but that I am lucky and thank you Lord that they do not resent me for not being able to provide for them what they see others getting while daddy is in jail and mommy is on welfare.
Why can't we pay first for a positive outcome, instead of later for nothing?
I hope I make a little sense.
Hey Don Q, these Bush ass kissers get pretty long winded on politics for being people who supposedly want politics off of this blog and want to get it back to L.A. hood/cops stuff, do they not?
And, I'm still waiting for someone to present positive statistics on today's economy that don't inflate and eggagerate the number of fast food jobs and other minimum wage jobs. Don't give me this 'you don't have the time', shit. If anything's been proven from reading this comments section, you Bush hacks have all the time in the world.
And, my god, as if I needed any more proof that your guys' knowledge of world events is limited to what you hear from righ wing hacks on the a.m. radio, somebody comes with, 'oh, Iraqis don't deserve their freedom?'
Everyone deserves freedom. Every third world country that is under some kind of dictatorship deserves freedom. Why aren't we there? Because they don't have oil. Can you think of any other reason? Maybe because they don't have anything to offer us in trade, like China does? Are you guys willing to free every country that's being ran under a tyrany right now? Or is it just Iraq, and thier billions of dollars in oil? Let me know when you guys are ready to free the Chinese from communist rule. And be sure to gaze at your American flag while thinking about how you're going to respond, but try not to become taken aback by the 'Made In China' stamp on the lower right corner of it, that you never noticed when you were drinking your whiskey and listening to Charlie Daniels.
Iraq will never be free in that region of the world. Don't you guys realize they don't even want our style of democracy? It goes against everything they believe in. Let me know when Iraqi women are in their govenment. Shit, you guys probably don't think women should even be in government here. Admit it.
And, yes, this is the greatest country in the world. Too bad I didn't here you guys saying that thoroughout the 1990s, while YOU bashed this country and it's president, as he won two elections himself.
Why don't we have a special army made up of all violent prisoners with a deathwish, because, of course, they were all born the same, poor, unwanted, unloved, sob, sob! and let the non-violent, druggies use the prisons for a real re-hab facility, with real people, really trying to help.
But if we didn't have gang bangers slanging dope we would have a lot let less drug abusers in jail. What a concept.
Think of all the money the government and law abiding tax payers waste on stupid fuck ups, that we wouldn't have if we didn't have the varrios. That same money could be used to build up our communities, not more prisons for more bangers, can you imagine that?
OUr violent ones, who wouldn't be violent if they didn't bang, could go overseas and fight a war that the decent men with real jobs, real lives, real love, real hope, real faith, real joy and real balls, who just drink real beer,and were not born rich either, that we need to keep this country going with, who volunteer to fight for people they don't even know, so ungrateful green card holders, can live in the USA and bitch and moan and collect whatever they can from wherever they can, welfare, med-ical, social security, section 8, and so on, and deal dope and kill innocent people, who wouldn't have to die if there were no bangers(while me, high school (no college) did you guess? single mom, could not collect a dime in my own country, because I wanted a crutch, for a minute and thank God they saw in me something that said, if we don't help, she'll find a way and I did, with no stinking help from the government, I vote for and have never missed since I was 18 and Nixon was running for Pres. I never collected child support either, from my 2 sons dads, I didn't have my children so I could live off of child support. Their Father's take care of them fine now, I did the hard part. I was born and raised here, asked for help once, didn't get it and went back to work. Said fuck them, I will never ask anyone for help again, ever. But all my neighbors have no problem and the guys getting out of jail even get $200.00 and can get GR. I don't resent, I feel sad, they still wish they were American, like me.
Anyway, when we do send the don't give-a-shits-about-anybody-but-me's, to war, they will have to be re-trained how to hold a weapon, cause real shooters don't hold their weapon sideways, but then they wouldn't know cause they're the new breed and can hold their illegal, unlicensed, already been used in another hit, but don't know it, it was free gun, anyway they want to, cause with your profile you couldn't go to a shooting range, sorry. Maybe you all should have done like Ray Perez,(Rampart) he knew how to put on a show, a great manipulator,liar, great leader, learned from the streets just like all bangers, he knew how to act, be, do, say, and become whatever was needed at the moment, he was fun to watch, tell a story, joke about the bad guys, put down women and use them, charismatic, cool, but in the end if you're bad, than you go down and you drag all your buddies with you, innocent or not. I think they didn't do a very good background check on him, ya think? He's Puerto Rican. Anyways, I needed to add that.
I have been around the block once or twice, watched some good people with twisted sensibilities, fall, die, bleed, and all they needed to do was finish school, get a job, meet a good woman, treat her like a lady, have beautiful children that will look up to you and sometimes you might even cry with the knowledge that you created a miracle and have every single atom and molecule in your power to mold and shape and form into a special human being, that you would be proud to call your son or daughter and lay down to die for them as they would for you,in a perfect world.
The way we act and write and speak is a direct reflection of our true intelligence. I hope children don't read this blog, it's not really setting a very good example of love they neighbor as thy self and do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Vengence is mine sayeth the LOrd.
Personally, I love this, I look forward to reading your anonymous
comments everyday, why don't you show your real names, so we all know who the players are. I would show mine but I have to do as the others do.
Or, you can't because, just like drive-bys, and blind siding people not expecting to get hit, you have to hit and run, so you don't get caught, that would be embarrassing and you might get life in prison, at least you would still have a life.
Where is all the pride you men boast about all of the time? Orale!
I am so glad France (our allies, NOT) gave us the Statue of Liberty and the plaque with the poem called:
"The New Colossus"
"Not like the broken giant of Greek
fame, with conquering limbs astride
from land to land,
Here at our sea-wasted, sunset-gates shall stand
A MIGHTY WOMAN with a torch
whose flame is the imprisoned
lightning, and her name Mother of
Exiles, From the beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome, her mind
eyes command The air bridged harbor
that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied
pomp!" cries she with silent lips.
"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breath free.
The wretched refuse of your teeming
shore; send these, the homeless, temptest-tost to me, I left my lamp beside the Golden door!"
I don't see where it says come and take advantage of our kindness and turn our country into a living hell! Do you?
Written by Emma Lazurus Nov. 2 1883
The writer is a Jewess and her last name Lazurus, is from the Bible.
I was curious and looked up the story of Lazurus, which I knew would also be appropriate, I think:
"Lazurus was a beggar at the rich man's table, who receives his reward in the hereafter, in Abraham's bosom @ the everlasting banquet, while the rich man craves a drop of water from Lazurus's finger.
"The purpose of this story is to teach us the evil result of the unwise neglect of one's opportunities. Lazurus was rewarded, not because he was poor, but for his virtuous acceptance of poverty, the rich man was punished, not because he was rich, but for vicious neglect of the opportunities given him by his wealth."
I was curious and looked up Lazurus at Wikipedia and learned at the same time, that the man who started Wikipedia, ON Dec. 17th, was shot in the head 3 times by an angered friend and associate. He walked in Jimbo's house, while he was eating, wearing a mask, and walked right up to him and shot him in the head 3 times, just like that, I guess he was mad, conversation wasn't gonna cut it, Men!
Isn't life Grand!
StillNoScript,
You go boy. I like your writing style, especially about the
"when you were drinking your whiskey and listening to Charlie Daniels". Hmmmmm, that's a tolerant, enlightened person speaking right there.
Like if someone was to say about you, "keep smoking your dope while your college professor gives you your lobotomy".
Would that make me a sensitive and tolerant person too?
You and your kind are a joke. Screaming for tolerance, but not willing to give it. Screaming for sensitivity, but making statements
like that towards those who differ with your opinions. See "enlightened one", you are the best example of the hypocrisy of your PC and hateful stereotyping
that there is. I'm glad you just can't help yourself and have to show everybody what you're REALLY all about.
So you know what, I'll get down to your level where maybe you'll understand what I'm saying to you.
Here we go:
First of all, your fucking crybaby buddy Don Quixote brought it up first, so while you're sucking his dick cause you need a friend so bad, quit talking shit about the Bush hacks. Nobody brought Bush up till he did, but maybe his jizz juice got all over your eyes and you couldn't see it. All you gotta do is scroll up and check it out. If you're so fucking educated you should be able to read shouldn't you?
Then, when he gets his rhetoric shoved up his culo, take your nose out of it long enough to look up and see that he started it.
Then he continued with another post, but since he's your hero you just keep tossing his salad and telling him he's right.
How's that "enlightened one"?
StillNoScript said...
And, yes, this is the greatest country in the world. Too bad I didn't here you guys saying that thoroughout the 1990s, while YOU bashed this country and it's president, as he won two elections himself.
I've never badmouthed this country a day in my life. I've ALWAYS been grateful to live in the greatest country on earth. Unlike you and your kind, I don't get so emotional over not having the man I voted for as president that I say stupid shit about the country. I've never been blinded by hate so much for any president that I lose sight of my gratefulness for being here and start badmouthing the country, or it's system.
Jesus, to listen to you guys you'd think Bush invented the system you hate so much. He took office in 2001 dumbass, the "system" had been rolling full steam ahead for decades before he got elected.
Your hatred for the man is blinding you. You sound like a spoiled brat who's throwing a fit.
Grow up.
" I can't stand the president so the country and it's system suck".
HISTERICALLY FUNNY AND SIMPLE MINDED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Simple throught process for simple minds.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made so by the exertions of better men than himself".
John Stuart Mill.
When Bush got elected he
must of flipped
the man we know
as StillNoScript
For he just cant stand
that Tejas hick
the very thought of Dub-ya
makes him sick
So he cries and he bitches
and goes on the attack
calls anyone who supports him
"ass kissing Bush hack"
He types to the blog
and looks like a fool
only Mr. Don Quixote
thinks StillNoScript's cool
They want to slam Dub-ya
and not get called on their shit
but the free thinkers check them
on most all of it
Don Quixote did time
he told us he did a hitch
he must have made StillNoScript
his own pinta bitch.
Well Happy New Year!! it's good to see that all the shitheads are as active as ever! Well lets take it as it came. Fisrt of all I did not grab a hold of DQ and try to use him and his views to justifiy my own. I happen to think that a lot of his views are down, not all but enough to know that he is a free thinker. And shit, for all you fools who really think this war is valid, get your asses over there! For all you who think we need to free every other nation for the sake of showing how democratic we are and how freedom minded we are should take a trip around any lower income community and get to working your silly little asses off. Oh yeah you can't do that its not patriotic enough a show for you to help your own here in America. [What happen to viva America] Yeah, I bet the fool who wrote that little tibit of patritism is sitting on his bum ass scrahing his balls and pulling his chonies out of his ass talking shit about the cholos and no good bangers huh.
[hey please don't tell me how hard you work, it's an insult not an observation]. And as for my long winded shit, Hey you weren't charged were you pal. So for all you cool ass Bush supporters, your just that supports[ball supporters]
So hey lets have a good year and keep those negative views coming, Becuase I'm not going anywhere.
El Revolucionario.
Uh Oh! It's been 6 1/2 hours and no comments. Finally, sleepin in, Huh?
I guess everyone works nights these days.
I would like to direct everyone to a very informative web site.
It will "enlighten" the youngsters as to where, when and how the Mexican men of Los Angeles were treated because of the color of their skin and their unique dress and style and "being in the wrong place at the wrong time" (it happens, smart person) Yeah, they had style, until it was squashed.
My dad knew some of these guys, as well as Toonerville, because he grew up on Belmont Ave. in Echo Park, although caucasion, he had many friends of all colors and never chose any sides,never banged, never went to jail, etc.
He was raised with values, what happened in our lives later,due to circumstances beyond our conrol is another story. I have taught my children, as well, no prejudice here because that was how I was brought up. The funny thing is, I think, if I was prejudice at all, it would be against my own color, cause we ain't all that!
This weekend alone, my son's friends stayed over to party for New Years and there was a very good example of love of humans, race aside; 1 Mexican female, born and raised here, her mother was deported to Mexico for being illegal, 1 pure Wood, from a wealthy family, in the area,we've known since he was 8, a real brat (his dad committed suicide when he was 6 mos. old) 1 Armenian, great kid, going through some tough times with his Mom, Dad died in Iran when he was a kid, an Italian kid, tatted and sleeved and shaved, doesn't bang but likes the look and one French female, who speaks 7 languages and loves America, thinks her countrymen are ignorant.
So, we have it all right here. It can happen. Oh, I forgot, my son's friend, who I've known also since he was 8, his mom left him behind when she went to Chicago to help her ailing Mother and left him at 16 to fend for himself. Her boyfriend had been shot 6 times and survived but she got scairt. Well, he's lucky, he had me, I guess, my son asked if I could help him out, so I did, he took a shower here and did his laundry and hung around till he figured out what to do,it took about two months, kinda of traumatic to be left behind, but he finished school and is trying to survive with no family or state support, he's black. None of these kids bang and they represent every single ethnicity in prison today, paisana, peckerwood, mayate, rich, poor, working class, amnesty protected, I feel good about me and they feel good about themselves, no matter what we have suffered and lost. They were all born between the Bush and Clinton eras (just thought I would throw that in).
They are a small example of how it should be and I thank my parents for not blinding me with color issues.
Anyway, please check this out, and especially read the letters. I wasn't the first woman to feel a little compassion and want to reach out in any form I could, right place at the right time.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/zoot/
P.S. You might want to read this, pre-zoot, 1930's, also. It just came in to me today from my friends from Northeast LA. This will explain some bitterness toward the real nortenos, this state, California, above the Mexican border and the real surenos who would be living in Baja California, I think. Can't we just be One state, and not divided like Korea and Viet Nam? Aren't we more advanced in integration than that?
Wasn't that the agenda of JFK and Martin Luther KIng? What happened when they died? They had such good intentions and again we just have to screw everything up. Enough men guilty and innocent have died for our freedoms, was it all for nothing? HOw much more disrespect and bloodshed will it take? YOU should check out what's going on in Brazil!
WE ARE SO LUCKY AND BLIND AND IGNORANT TO NOT ENJOY THIS TIME WE HAVE ON EARTH AND USE OUR LIVES FOR POSITIVE, RE-ENFORCEMENT, INSTEAD OF TRYING TO KNOCK EVERYBODY DOWN WITH NEGATIVE RHETORIC.
THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T CARE ABOUT THE POLITICS, THEY JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO WALK DOWN THE STREET WITHOUT LOOKING AROUND IN FEAR. THIS IS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!
HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
The problem with the fact that you live with four or five persons in and around your aera is that your kind of thinking only elumnates just that area. And you go around speaking as though your some kind of example of ture living. Well not, as you should be already aware many other neighborhoods in the state are infested with crime. Ture you say your against your own, well by your words of that there could be no doubt. You say that your parents raised you color blind, well sir your words betray you, But if you would really like to show and honor the way your parents raised you. I suggest you go out into the community and pick up where your parents left off. Help the gente in and around.
Sorry, here is the article.
Bill apologizes for deporting U.S.-born Latinos in 1930s
By Peter Hecht, The Sacramento Bee
LA Daily News
SACRAMENTO - Carlos Guerra was only 3 years old when Los Angeles County authorities came to his family's house in Azusa and ordered his mother, a legal United States resident, and her six American-born children to leave the country.
It was 1931. The administration of President Hoover backed a policy that would repatriate hundreds of thousands of Mexican-Americans, more than half of them United States citizens.
Amid the economic desperation of the Depression, Latino families were viewed as taking jobs and government benefits from "real Americans." In Los Angeles County, a Citizens Committee for Coordination for Unemployment Relief urgently warned of 400,000 "deportable aliens," declaring: "We need their jobs for needy citizens."
Up to 2 million people of Mexican ancestry were relocated to Mexico during the 1930s, even though as many as 1.2 million were born in the United States. In California, some 400,000 Latino United States citizens or legal residents were forced to leave.
Now California, for its part, wants to say it is sorry.
On Sunday, Senate Bill 670 - the so-called "Apology Act for the 1930s Mexican Repatriation Program" - becomes official. It acknowledges the suffering of tens of thousands of Latino families unjustly forced out of the Golden State that was their home.
"The state of California apologizes ... for the fundamental violations of their basic civil liberties and constitutional rights during the period of illegal deportation and coerced emigration," the act reads.
The words fail Guerra. He is 77 years old now. He is a veteran who served in the U.S. Army in postwar Korea and France. But he can't forgive, forget or accept an apology.
He can't excuse the forced train ride that delivered his family to Guanajuato, Mexico. He can't excuse the decade-plus estrangement that denied him a relationship with his father, who stayed behind because California needed orange pickers.
And he can't excuse being spurned by not just one culture, but two.
"What is an apology?" asks Guerra, an artisan who makes embroidered furnishings. "I don't understand it at all."
Forced from the United States, Guerra and his American-born siblings had to learn Spanish, adapt to a new culture and endure the poverty of the Mexican countryside for 13 years before his family legally returned to California.
"The saddest thing of all," says Guerra, who lives in Carpinteria, "is that I lost my country. This is where I was born. I'm a California native. But it took me years to be able to call myself a so-called 'Americano."'
He didn't fit in, either, south of the border. "In Mexico, they called us Norteos. They thought we were completely Anglicized, and they disliked people from the north," he says.
California's apology was inspired by the work of California State University, Los Angeles, Chicano studies professor Francisco Balderrama and Raymond Rodriguez, a history professor emeritus at Long Beach City College.
In their book, "Decade of Betrayal: Mexican Repatriation in the 1930s," they describe long-term emotional trauma by children, born in the United States, who were forced to grow up in Mexico.
"For American-born children, trying to adjust to life in Mexico proved to be a very traumatic experience," the authors wrote. "Deep-seated scars of rejections by both cultures would remain embedded in their lives forever."
The little-acknowledged history of Mexican-Americans repatriated in the 1930s became embedded in the mind of state Sen. Joe Dunn, D-Garden Grove, after he read "Decade of Betrayal" on a flight to Washington, D.C.
Dunn drafted SB 670 with the help of Assembly Speaker Fabian Nuez, D-Los Angeles, and Assembly members Noreen Evans, D-Santa Rosa; Lloyd Levine, D-Van Nuys; and Lori Saldaa, D-San Diego.
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed the bill Oct. 7, but vetoed a companion measure - Senate Bill 645 - that would have created a commission to study paying reparations to survivors of the 1930s repatriations.
"I believe reparations are due for the remaining survivors," said Dunn, who noted that they number between 2,000 and 4,000 in California. "There should be some compensation to acknowledge their suffering."
For Alfonso Lara, 78, of Davis, an apology - long overdue - will suffice.
Lara was born in Holtville near the border. He was 7 when his father, a worker in a Los Angeles floral warehouse, died of an apparent heart attack in 1932.
Soon afterward, he says, some men came knocking on the family's door, telling his mother, Maria Chavez, Lara and his younger brother, Luis: "There's nothing for you to do here. Now go back to Mexico."
"It wasn't right. It shouldn't have happened," said Lara, who grew up without education on an isolated ranch in central Mexico.
He later returned to toil in sugar beet and tomato fields near Davis under the bracero program, which allowed seasonal workers from Mexico into the United States.
On one of his back-and-forth trips between the two countries, he ran into a man who knew his family in Southern California. Lara was stunned when the man told him he was a United States citizen - and had the right to stay.
Lara, who is now on kidney dialysis and uses a wheelchair, went on to become a farm supervisor and foreman. He once worked for a rancher, a Japanese-American, who used to tell him stories of being rounded up and locked into a California relocation camp during World War II.
In 1988, the Reagan administration approved compensation of $20,000 each to some 66,000 surviving Japanese-Americans who were held in camps during the war.
Lara isn't asking for compensation. But Lara, who proudly saw all six of his children go to college, wants his history shared so that "my grandchildren know that this happened."
As part of the state's apology, a monument will be erected at a site to be determined in Los Angeles. It was in Los Angeles where 50,000 Mexican-Americans were placed on trains and repatriated in five months in 1931. Hundreds were rounded up in San Fernando and Pacoima on Ash Wednesday, a Catholic holy day, and many Latino barrios simply disappeared.
Dunn said he is working with U.S. Rep. Hilda Solis, D-El Monte, in the hope of enacting a federal companion measure to the California apology.
Jose Lopez Sr. was a factory worker at the Ford assembly plant when his family was ordered to Mexico after nearly two decades in the United States. He wound up cutting sugar cane and died in poverty in the Mexican state of Michoacan.
"I think an apology is the least they can do," said his son, Jose Lopez, 78, a retired autoworker in Detroit who came to testify on behalf of the California bill.
potted meat eating I've been there guy says: "chale walle - mebbe it's time for a new chunk o steak" because we've once again strolled into the belly of the mighty beast and there aint nothin but heartburn and indigestion here. The natives are restless and milling about like some new election results just came out of Florida.. Soylent green is people!!
Ok, Bush sucks, uh, no he's great, the war is illegal, uh, no it's a good thing, the southwestern United States is Aztlan, uh no, we better be glad it's America, the system sucks, uh no, it's the best there is, poverty is what causes gangs, uh no, most kids today have a choice, ALL POTTED MEAT.
Damn that steak is gonna taste good!!!!
Lets start a lottery on how many lives are lost the first month when the CDC integrates the yards.
I'll start it off....9
As far as paying for reparations,
maybe somebody should talk to the
revolutionary. You see, the government knows there are people like him out there, and so many innocent people are made to pay.
That's how it works in war time. You think if we went to war with a foreign country and the government
wasn't sure if a certain ethnic group were spies and providing counter-intelligence to the enemy they wouldn't round them up again?
Of course they would, it's a matter of national security.
We hear about the innocent people that pay the price, but we never hear of the subversives that are kept from providing intelligence, and/or aid and comfort to the enemy, therefore costing Americans their lives. Other countries just round them up and exterminate them. If you check out the history of the Civil War, you'll see how prevalent it was even back then. You had white people hanging and shooting other whites for supposedly spying, ON BOTH SIDES. It's not about race, it's about doing what you think is necessary to win the war. WAR IS HELL, and when you realize that you are losing one you do WHATEVER is necessary to try to gain the upper hand. Heck, we dropped two atom-bombs on Japan. We bombed the hell out of Germany, civilians and enemy soldiers alike were killed.
You do not win a war unless you defeat the will of the people of the enemy's country. That's why Vietnam was such a fiasco, because we wouldn't bomb Hanoi. So all the workers bees in the north knew they could keep moving supplies to the enemy without being in danger of being killed. It's not rocket science, it's pretty simple.
WAR IS HELL...ON EVERYBODY CONCERNED!!!!!
But if you're gonna fight one, you can't do it as a police action and expect to be victorious when the other side is motivated and determined. Then it must be ALL OUT WAR, and the will of the people must be defeated. We learned this the hard way in Korea and Vietnam. Now we're dealing with North Korea and the nuke issue when we could've dealt with that at the time. We're dealing with Iraq when we could've dealt with that the first time around.
Vietnam was just a mess. Our politicians didn't really want to win.
Oh well, there's my dos pesos.
We're eating more Spam than a Hawaiian.
"Soylent green is people".
StillNoScript said...
"Their coming to take me away haha
their coming to take me away".
Don Quixote said...
"If you don't have the bucks,
our system sucks".
What a concept! A lottery to predict body counts! That harkens back to General Westmoreland and the creative math that came out of Viet Nam. That system is no longer fashionable nowadays. We'd rather keep our homecoming caskets from Iraq low profile..From the stats I've read on the CDC website all the pintas are stuffed to bursting so maybe it's the system's plan for decreasing the population glut. Since Raza is the majority gente inside it might be a hoot to try and predict the strategy and enter our guesses by race. I'm goin for the 1st month uhhh 5 razas, 3 mayates, 2 gavas, and a lg Samoan who has a trash can fulla water dropped on him from the fifth tier at Quentin..
OK I aint going to depart without expressing to people who do'nt read my humor that the fact that heads will roll from this move on behalf of the CDC is NOT very damned funny. It's another case of the man manipulating the population to suit his own perverted ends.
No, it aint the "man" knucklehead.
It's a do-gooder Supreme Court judge who ordered it. So don't blame it on the "man", unless the man you're speaking of is the liberal courts who want to be PC and give in to one black dudes suit because it's a "racial" issue. These fucking liberal judges actually think they're doing a good thing, but they don't have a clue as to what the real results of their PC thinking has on the people that are affected.
The bllod will be on this pendejo judges hands, and he should be held accountable. The press should jump all over this. The CDC could
refuse to do it, and make their reasons known. Then it would all be on the judge if he ordered them to do it again, or held them in contempt.
Orale! I'll throw out some idea's and maybe some will disagree, and maybe some of us have other idea's, that's what our democracy should be about,the freedom to express oneself without fear of retribution or illegal spying from your own gov't.
First off how about a whole decriminalization of drug's and use of. Let's forget the so called 'War on drugs",it hasn't worked.
How many of us know people who are doing time or have done many years for some bullshit like having a joint on thier person, or having a roll of bennies or some speed to keep them working.
And after many years of being around hypes and downer users I have come to the conclusion that most are self medicating for depression or other mental disorders.
Why not treat these people as humans who are hurting and maybe use some kind of community service or intervention to allow them to function as human beings instead of as criminals? Shit if the vast majority of incarcerations and police contact is for drugs or drug related offences, look at the savings in taxes not to mention the possible salvaging of human lives.
And let's maybe ask ourselves why there is so much misery and mental illness that contributes to drug abuse in our society? What are we afraid of? Why so much fear and anxiety?
So these are some ideas to ponder and maybe I have some valid points as others might, but one thing is for certain, and that is the fact that our system of crime and punishment, and it is a "system and powerful bureaucracy" is in a freefall and will continue to fail no matter how much money we throw at it.
i gotta say 5 will be killed..3 raza 2 mayates...im glad that i am not still in there...its gonna be fuckin crazy..talk about a war zone with a bunch of fucked up politics..
just want to send all my love,to all my MARAVILLOSO brother's all around the nation.up in arizona,oregon,colorado,kansas,and the hit squad up in east los angeles,had a good one for new year's eve 2006,so lets stay focus and together as brothers we will proceed to the top,all as one,threw our eyes and our own world,we must fight for our cause,and as MARVELLOUS life we live...100 percent MARAVILLOSO,tax free,fuck the eme......EL FROG...MARAVILLOSO.....EAST L.A.....
THAT SHIT IS FUNNY!!...LOL!
KEEP ON RUNNIN!!!
Uh, Don Q the guy above already addressed your the "War on Drugs". To my knowledge you haven't resonded.
HIS WORDS:
Don Q,
There's a few reasons why we have more per capita locked up than any one else.
We don't keep small time offenders locked up for long stretches...even after multiple offenses.
People are FREE in this country from the worry that if they steal a car, do a burglary, get caught with dope, or whatever (first time offenders) they are going to get locked up for 10 years.
So, people in this country take their chances more than in other countries.
Shit, a friend of mine just got sentenced to 60 days at county for a drunk driving warrant and was in the front door and out the back...processed and released, he called me to come get him and I couldn't believe it. He didn't even spend the night. It's no fucking wonder people test the system. These hoodlums that we see on tv every night in car chases, that don't pull over when the cops try to stop them....shit man, you think if that was an automatic 25 yrs. in the joint they would do it?
Fuck no. Not if it was enforced and KNOWN and you got 25 yrs EVERY time. The system that you claim is so biased and unfair gives people PLENTY of chances to quit messing up.
If it's the decriminalization of dope offenses that you're pushing for, that's one thing. But while it is against the law, this system isn't handing out draconian sentences unless there is a flagrant large scale violation or repeated offenses.
Dope is against the law, but because you disagree with THAT....
it doesn't make the sentences handed out or the conditions under which they are served draconian.
There are people who think killing somebody for disrespecting them should be legal. Or beating your old lady cause she doesn't obey you quick enough.
Disagreeing with a law and saying that the the sentences handed out are draconian are two completely different matters.
Work to change the law. Do what you can through your Senators and Congress. But don't sit back and complain about a draconian system that doesn't exist!!!!!!
Now to me finding out why is there so much misey and mental illness you have to be more clear, how the hell do you even find that out. But if you are talking about changing our whole society so we wont be "mentally ill" anymore then that is just stupid. Nobody is going to do that just because it's someone oppinion that that is what is wrong with us, whatever you by mentally ill, you still haven't explained it.
Still you haven't said anything worth while. You have not brought any REAL idea to change this system that is so terrible in your oppinion. All you said is lets make drugs legal. A cheap and easy answer, that doesn't really change the system at all.
Anonymous said...
"When Bush got elected he
must of flipped
the man we know
as StillNoScript
For he just cant stand
that Tejas hick
the very thought of Dub-ya
makes him sick
So he cries and he bitches
and goes on the attack
calls anyone who supports him
"ass kissing Bush hack"
He types to the blog
and looks like a fool
only Mr. Don Quixote
thinks StillNoScript's cool
They want to slam Dub-ya
and not get called on their shit
but the free thinkers check them
on most all of it
Don Quixote did time
he told us he did a hitch
he must have made StillNoScript
his own pinta bitch."
4:26 AM
LOL!
I wrote better poems than that in the first grade. Thanks for proving how much I offended you by simply telling the truth.
The political shots on this comments section has become a two way street.
So, can we stop with the cries for this comments section to get back to the topic of the blog?
Nobody's stopping you. If you have a story to tell that could add some insight to the current topic that Wally's on, add it.
In the meantime, it's obvious that you guys have nothing relevant to say pertaining to the blog either, and YOU TOO are resorting to discussing politics to get any kind of attention you can.
Then, to top it off, you have one of the greatest contributers to this blog being outnumbered and stoned by you guys right now because he talked of the bias in our justice system.
It is you assholes that are ruining this blog. With people who have lived the life and have something to offer to the blog being on the recieving end of a complete bitch fest for simply pointing out a fact about our justice system that everyone knows, how does Wally ever expect this blog to really become what he wants it to?
Anonymous said....
"The problem with the fact that you live with four or five persons in and around your aera....
I'm sorry that I did not make myself clear without telling you my life story.
There are only 2 caucasion people in my building the manager, who is my stepfather and me, we've been here 12 years. The rest are a mixture of Phillipino, Armenian and Hispanic and we all get along.
I was giving an example of one instance in my home that should be more common than not, considering integration has been going on since Rosie Parker stayed in her seat on the bus.
Unfortunately, when people move here from other countries they settle in with people of their own race. This town is more diversified than most.
I have lived here on the edge of Los Angeles most of my life, 48 years and back in the sixties this town was ALL white and there was a curfew pre and post the Watts riots, where you were picked up by the police for being a person of color or for being a vagrant, if you did not have $2.00 in your pocket for, whatever.
The only time I saw any dark people was when we went to Grandma's house in Echo Park or My uncle's house in Highland Park.
When my uncle married a brown woman, everyone gasped. Later, my cousin married a black man and people gasped. I have 2 children by Hispanic fathers, noone gasped at me it was more common by that time.
Obviously, our family didn't have a problem but others did.
We moved to the desert for a short time and there was a village for the blacks and another neighborhood for the Hispanics.
The whites could live anywhere.
At this moment in time, in this town, that used to be All white, I am a minority. There are drive
bys near my house, every week, due to AP, TVR, Frogtown and Asian gang activity and homicides have occured only in my square block in this town. I think I qualify for being in the thick of things.
The high school where my children attended, had less whites than ever before, where my school was all white in '69 by '99 it was mostly, Hispanic, Armenian, Asian,
Black, then white.
My point is that, although we have alot of action over here, my kids still choose their friends for their character not their color.
My other point was that I am angry at my race for being so closed minded and scared for what they did to the Mexicans in the 30's and 40's and the Asians during WWII and others now, I hope as my race dwindles in my town, that I don't become some statistic.
My husband is in prison, right now, and paroles in June, he is Apache and Aztec. I wish I could rat on the P.O.S. that lied about him and didn't step up, but he's looking at 25 to life on a third strike and calling us rats when he is questionable since all his people are behind bars right now. My old man is a down M/F and got caught up trying to help this jerk and he is doing his time like the firme man that he is, while his P.O.S friend is P.C.'d up for fear of getting got. I read this blog to see what the word is out here, cause I know what is going on in several CDC, REC, CCI and Jail facilities throughout CAlifornia.
I have never been in trouble and don't judge anyone and treat everyone as my equal. I have never witnessed any criminal activity because the people I know don't treat me like a hood rat, I am a lady and they are welcome in my home cause they show respect and don't project that life onto me.
I am doing my part to help whoever needs it, kids without parental support and inmates without family support, who are friends of mine via my husband, from all over LA.
We have friends in many different neighborhoods, cause we are like that, biker clubs, too and I do not have fear of anyone.
I am, however, concerned with the CDC integration problem. If they can't get along in the street, how are they going to stop shit from happening inside?
Does that complete my profile?
Are you clear?
Thanks for the freedom and ability to state my opinions. I was looking for somewhere and found it. I hope I don't disrespect or offend, it is not my intention, here on this blog, as it is not out here in life.
StillNoScript said...
In the meantime, it's obvious that you guys have nothing relevant to say pertaining to the blog either, and YOU TOO are resorting to discussing politics to get any kind of attention you can.
Well, chalk one up for the enlightened one. At least he admits that HE'S doing.
Of course, he does it on a continual basis, and the responses
are due to him spouting off his rhetoric. But hey, it's s free country. Of course WE do it too,
but only after YOU, DQ, or the revolutionary stray from the topic and start your crusade.
Good for you, at least you admit you do it. The first step is overcoming denial!!!!...lol
StillNoScript said...
LOL!
I wrote better poems than that in the first grade. Thanks for proving how much I offended you by simply telling the truth.
WEAK...Is that the best you got?
Geez, I guess next we'll get the
"so funny I forgot to laugh" line from you next.
YOU'RE SLIPPIN DUDE!!!!!!!!
Looks like it's gonna be HARD time.
The blood's gonna start flowing, and the facilities will be placed on lock down.
Those judges on the Supreme Court
fucked up on this one.
Any word on the shooting between
the biker clubs in Norco? I heard rumors it was Mongols vs. Angels.
What's the word on the tiera?
I thought the poem about Stillnobrains was funny as hell, and from what I've seen,
ACCURATE!!!!!!
DQ,
Some valid questions and some serious topics to ponder. Props to you.
Here's my take on why they don't legalize drugs. I'm not talking marijuana, which is basically legal now. If you aren't selling it, and don't have a BUNCH, you get a ticket. Big deal, the deterrent doesn't keep anyone from doing it. That's why I state that it's basically legal.
I'm speaking of the opiates, stimulants, and narcotic prescription drugs.
We could legalize it, tax the hell out of it, and make billions that way. Then we would spend more on rehab facilities. ALOT MORE.
If you legalized it, 80% of the poulation is going to try it. The research has been done. Of those 80%, 30% will become addicts. (Narcotics are FAR more addicting after minimal use than alcohol or marijuana). Do you know how many addicts that is in a country this size? The rehab industry will be booming, and it IS more expensive for re-hab than confinement.
Secondly, the aftermath of addiction will be felt as well. Just like you have kids growing up now with their dad in the
"system", you will have a lot more kids growing up with their dad in a different "system". In and out of re-hab instead of in and out of penal institutions. The numbers of broken homes and families will dramatically increase. A stone addict daddy can't support his family any more than one who's in custody can.
Currently, 10-15% of Americans are addicted to either alcohol or drugs. So even if you take the high
end figure, it would double.
Thirdly, there's the price we pay for the big increase in collateral
crimes that are committed because our population of addicts has doubled. Assaults, DUI's, Thefts are all going to go up substantially by doubling the number of addicted people in our country. Hey, most people do stupid things when their high. I'm sure you can envision this if we have double the number of crack addicts and meth addicts in this country.
It will definitely cause A LOT of collateral crimes. Hell, ask any juda how many domestic disputes he goes to where alcohol or drugs isn't involved.
As to your question of whether or not we would be saving money, the answer is hell no. I used to be for the legalization of drugs. I'm a big believer in civil rights and personal responsibility, but after I checked the research by NON-BIASED entities, I'm of a different opinion.
Another thought that is not mentioned much is what it would do to the health insurance industry.
If you think people can't afford insurance now, stand by. The premiums would BE THRU THE ROOF because so many more people would become addicted. It would be the same OR WORSE than the system you find so disgusting currently. Only the affluent would be able to afford insurance, and the poor folks AND middle class will be left to their own devices. Right now, most of the middle class has health insurance.
I could be wrong, but I'm backed uo
by independent think tanks and addiction specialists. And hell, the addiction entities COULD sell us a load of bull and say "it's all good" to legalize drugs, because they stand to make a whole lot of money if we did legalize it. But they don't say that, GOOD FOR THEM. I believe they are telling the truth in spite of
their oppurtunity to make money.
They see the wreckage of addiction on a daily basis and I believe that's why they overcome just being greedy.
I pondered it for many years and used to advocate it.
Not anymore, I say it's not worth it. Less misery now.
"Dang! Like That! vato ain't "egotistic" man, he put the hush on.
Like the vato said: VIVA AMERICA!
We look around this place, and we don't see any gavas taking refuge south."
SO I THINK IM CHINGON, SO WHAT? I THOUGHT ALL RAZA ASPIRED TO BEING EL MERO MERO. AND I WAS ON VACATION , NOT ON HUSH. ALSO, YOU MUST BE UNAWARE OF ALL THE OLD GAVACHOS WITH MONEY BUYING THOSE HUNDRED YEAR LEASES IN BAJA. THERE ARE ALOT OF GAVACHOS WHO MOVE TO MEXICO. ITS A BEAUTIFUL LAND.
TO: White Woman with Hispanic "roots" ......
Your story resembles countless accounts from Chicana women. But, I must add, yours is a unique story and that's what makes the human race so cool. We all have a unique story to tell.
Thank you for yours. As we look back at the racial dysfunction that existed (to a much worse degree than today), it is important to remember that it is IN THE PAST.
If we older folks chose not to heal and then encourage our young to do the same as the Oppressor, then we are no better than the Oppressor.
You have learned how to exist and survive in a Danger Zone. It appears that your decision to continue to live in these conditions is more out of necessity than choice, correct?
If by necessity, I applaud your survival instincts; if by choice, I do not. (I hope I don't sound judgmental because I am NOT. If you had a choice to "head for the safe suburbs", I believe this would have been a preferable choice, no?
(I think I qualify for being in the thick of things.)
Yes, maam, you do qualify for being in the thick of things!
This country had an emergency decision to make after Pearl Harbor and they made what later became an unpopular decision. Nevertheless, their motives were in the right place and many Americans understand this.
White Americans should NOT be afraid or close minded. Today, as Americans of ALL colors and ethnic backgrounds, we ALL share in the mistakes committed by imperfect people. As long as our motives are in the right place, we'll make mistakes but we are all Americans and many of the "hyphenated" Americans are now part of this System that everyone seems to find so easy to attack.
(My husband is in prison, right now, and paroles in June, he is Apache and Aztec. I wish I could rat on the P.O.S. that lied about him and didn't step up, but he's looking at 25 to life on a third strike and calling us rats when he is questionable since all his people are behind bars right now. My old man is a down M/F and got caught up trying to help this jerk and he is doing his time like the firme man that he is, while his P.O.S friend is P.C.'d up for fear of getting got.)
Your Apache and Aztec husband obviously chooses to live by a set of rules and standards that govern the walk he has chosen. That's his choice and there are consequences attached to this choice. You, for reasons of survival, are "caught up" with the choices he made ..... you "inherited" this life.
You seem like an intelligent person and I think your intellect recognizes this. Your heart says otherwise.
(I read this blog to see what the word is out here, cause I know what is going on in several CDC, REC, CCI and Jail facilities throughout CAlifornia.)
Think of the CDC, CYA and other county, state and federal facilities as one big pot of hot chili. The Heads of State designate Wardens to add the spice and stir the pot! I'm sure they hope to produce something palatable BUT sometimes things can get super HOT!
(I am, however, concerned with the CDC integration problem. If they can't get along in the street, how are they going to stop shit from happening inside?)
When the bullets start flying and the corpses fill enough body bags, then California segregation will resume its natural but necessary course. I too disagree big time with mixing the races in prison.
Why? Because I'm racist? Because I'm against "equal opportunity"? Hardly.
Prison gangs have been in existence from 40 - 50 years based on RACIAL COMPOSITION. "They", not the establishment, chose this. If we segregate gangs based on their propensity for endangering the main population in an incarerated facility, do we do the opposite because it is politically correct?
Example: If the Mexican Mafia (Mexican-American membership) and Aryan Brotherhood (white members) have a "shoot on sight" policy against the Black Guerilla Family (black members) and the Nuestra Familia (Mexican-American members), do we NOT segregate because we will violate some racial discrimination edict?
Do we then proceed to allow these gangs (made up along racial lines, mind you) to slaughter each other (not to mention the "collateral" damage inflicted).
The legal question thus becomes, "Which is more important: prevention of human life destruction or adhering to a blanket racial balance?"
Unless the CDC have complete idiots for lawyers, I believe the former argument far outweighs the latter in any courtroom.
(I hope I don't disrespect or offend, it is not my intention, here on this blog, as it is not out here in life.)
My dear friend, you don't disrespect nor offend. Instead, you raise some great insightful questions! May your life be blessed and may your survival instincts be used for good. My prayers are with your husband as well. May his decisions be correct for they affect many.
Hopefully, intelligent minds in the CDC will prevail and their attorneys will demonstrate to the courts why segregation in prisons must continue to be the "policy of the land". Sorry, vatos, I think we need to postpone the bloodbath.
I need a lemonade after that post.
Happy New Year !!!
Tijuana Jailer
(AKA: El Tijuanero)
Still No Script said...
And, my god, as if I needed any more proof that your guys' knowledge of world events is limited to what you hear from righ wing hacks on the a.m. radio, somebody comes with, 'oh, Iraqis don't deserve their freedom?'
Don't you guys realize they don't even want our style of democracy? It goes against everything they believe in.
WRONG....TRY AGAIN
I saw the numbers about the 80% of Iraqi's voting on CBS News. Read it in the L.A. Times. Hardly right-wing A.M radio hacks.
In addition, you didn't respond to my question of whether or not the Iraqi people look at us as an occupying force. Typical of your type. The people of Iraq proved you wrong. It would appear that 80% of Iraqi's view us as a LIBERATING force. Oh well, when you get called on it you simply avoid the question and make another disparaging remark about my knowledge of world events. I look at what I see and believe it, not what I hear, but don't see. There's the difference between me and you.
"Enlightened one", you have a very bright future in politics. You are slippery as an eel.
Let's see if you are too slippery to answer this question (which I'll ask again).
If we are viwed as an "occupying force", how do explain the fact that 80% of Iraqi's voted in the last election?
Does anybody (Wally?) have any updates on the federal AB trials? has barry mills or T.D.'s trials even started?
EME member Charles "SAPO" Mendoza died of an overdose yesterday.
Chale. You know, these hypocritical poseurs ie: "PLASTIC" wannabe's ain't gonna give it to you straight holmes.
You say:
"Oh well, when you get called on it you simply avoid the question and make another disparaging remark about my knowledge of world events."
I would only suggest to you to include 56.2 MILLION others like us that KNOW what you're saying vato. Nobody is questioning your knowledge. What you are saying others know already. It's the WHINERS that are dodging reality.
In the same breath, the ones that will cry the loudest...when the pedo hits up the ones THEY love. Only then. The chavalita's will have something to crow about. By then it's too late. Let the crybaby's dodge it holmes. That's all they have.
On a more personal note, sorry to hear bout SAPO drogas venas and what happened? That's some sad shit right there.
Mrs. APACHE/AZTEC writes:
"The legal question thus becomes, "Which is more important: prevention of human life destruction or adhering to a blanket racial balance?"
oh wow, when exactly did THAT POINT become apparent? Before? or After your guy got locked up?
This "Politically Correct" lawsuit ONE BUSTER brings to court and WINS....means ONE THING:
The shit's gonna hit the PC Fan.
And from where YOU sit, hardly affects you. One thing is certain:
Norteno's, knuckledraggers, and associates are at severe risk. eMe numbers, surenos bind up, down woods AB soldiers in CDC are stood up and counted. Transfers assure only ONE THING: Blood will flow. Retaliation.
Toads: 28% Woods 26% Hispanics 38% SURx13 owns the yards. Get ready
RE: Mixed Yards
It will never even get to that point, people. The gates don't magically open up with "everyone going for broke".
If it even gets this far, the CDC will use "test case" scenarios and release some known adversaries - making sure that you have blacks and whites (after a thorough and intensive search) in various prisons, mix them on the same yard, and fist fights will ensue.
Staff will be ready, get a handle on the brief skirmishes, and the so-called blood baths will never occur.
Next topic.
Mr. Department of Corrections writes:
"Staff will be ready, get a handle on the brief skirmishes, and the so-called blood baths will never occur."
oh wow! I thought Mrs. APACHE/AZTEC was naive. This CDC officer takes the cake. Why can't you guy's just be "HONEST" with the general public??
Obviously, you guys can't be that stupid. In the yards, you have a hard enough time just keeping the inmates in seg.
I can't believe you expect John Q. Public to believe that nothing more than a "Free-for-all" for those "Unfortunate" inmates being introduced to non-seg is inevitable.
Do you actually believe deputies can handle those pedo's after April, BETTER than they can NOW?
Seriously, I was born, but I wasn't born last night. I feel for your administrators, the guy's that will be tasked with implementation. What a complete NITEMARE!
I know, guys like us don't make it ANY easier...but you must know...peoples lives are at stake...and here, our citizenry makes NO DIFFERENTIATION.
Loved ones, that are locked up have family that will no-doubtedly inundate you with billets of investigation, investigators, tons of paperwork, and YES! Red-Tape!
Your headaches are ONLY beginning.
And they haven't even yet begun!!!
In a PC world...your job is 100% more difficult. Thanks to the LAYERS of red-tape the PC types in this state have cast upon you.
Still, I cannot feel sorry for you.
Your UNIONS put those PC people in the drivers seat, and basically told Arnold to shove it!
Sheriffs UNIONS single-handedly received MORE RAISES from Gray Davis than most ANY other group in California, albeit the Firefighters.
Pensions, that all us taxpayers get to pay...AND the tax burden of paying for all the PC correct shankings that will subsequently occur as the direct result of the PC 9th Circus, oops, I mean 9th Circuit of appeals.
Don't tell me, a "BLOODBATH" won't occur. I'll be "Pleasantly" surprised IF IT DOES NOT!
Thank the "FRAMERS" for FREEDOM of SPEECH. I feel sorry, for you guys...I really do. I cannot "ENVY" the job you must now endure.
But, instead of "Admonishing" you, for following the likes of Gray Davis...we should "Fall into ranks" behind you...you are doing a job no man wants.
Good luck.
Sheriffs UNIONS single-handedly received MORE RAISES from Gray Davis than most ANY other group in California, albeit the Firefighters.
I believe you have the Sheriffs UNIONS confused with the PRISON GUARD UNIONS. Small mistake, I agree with your post, but it was the prison guards that recieved a 37% increase from Gray Davis, and they were his largest campaign contributor.
All you PC folks and enlightened one out there pay attention to what happens in the CDC. This is the ultimate cost of your idealistic viewpoints. You feel so good about yourselves when you talk your idealistic philosophy and
work (or vote) for those who would implement it.
This is the pedo you end up.
Pay attention. Only one who is truly ignorant doesn't learn from their mistakes.
Whats truly sad is that they consider themselves enlightened. They couldn't be more in the dark.
This CDC thing is the best example we've seen so far.
StillNoClue,....
I mean Script,
Where's your answer for the vato?
Occupying force or liberating force?
Answer the vatos question. Don't give us some long winded speach to
try and show us how educated and worldly you are, JUST ANSWER THE VATOS QUESTION.
Que paso Payaso?
StillNoScript said...And, I'm still waiting for someone to present positive statistics on today's economy that don't inflate and eggagerate the number of fast food jobs and other minimum wage jobs. Don't give me this 'you don't have the time', shit. If anything's been proven from reading this comments section, you Bush hacks have all the time in the world.
Ok StillNoCule,
In January 1995 the unemployment rate was 5.6%
November 2005....5.0%
Save your (those are ALL fast food minimum wage jobs for the braindead)even if they WERE that type of job. that would mean that there's more fast food joints, and people are spending more money there, so people get hired to work there. Which even if your argument was correct, which it ISNT, would still be a sign of a stable economy.
ECONOMICS 101 dumbass.
But you NEED to have some answer, any answer, to rebuff people who say the economy is doing ok. So, you do what you "Bush haters" do and make shit up to counter the reality that we're doing pretty good.
In January 1995, the average hourly pay was $11.47...in November 2005....$16.32
There were some fluctuations as always, just as when Clinton was president, but the growth rate of the average wage has remained steady as in the past.
I'm sure you can make some shit up to counteract this. YOU ALWAYS DO!!
The information is there FOR ALL to see at the U.S. Dept. of Labor website.
I know, yada yada yada, you will come with some weak propaganda shit
to rebuff my arguments. This isn't meant for you, it's meant for those that view this blog to see what a blinded, hating, sniveling little bitch you really are.
You wanted statistics, there they are. And I've cited my source.
Now, when you give your weak ass
" The sky is falling...the sky is falling, Bush is ruining the country" retort, be sure and cite your sources. That's the way an honest man does things.
By the way, do you own a home? Or do you live in a college dorm?
For all the home owners out there, just ask yourselves this: How much is my home worth today, and how much was it worth 5 yrs. ago.
They will come down a little soon,
but they will still have grown at a higher per annum rate than in years past. Explain that away
StillNoTruth!!!!!!
and, like I said before, ALL this while:
Funding the war you hate so much
Rebuilding New Orleans, etc. etc.
The fact of the matter is that the president doesn't really have much to do with the economy, other factors determine it. His implementation of policies can effect it somewhat, but it is minor. I don't say VIVA BUSH due to our economy, cause that would be disingenious. YOU, on the other hand, not only slam him for the economy, BUT MAKE SHIT UP so you can do it.
Not only are you disingenuos, but you are a lying fuck. But your hatred for the man is so strong you can't help yourself. Your college poly sci profs have done well. They have, as Don Q likes to say, "a palace eunich" in you my friend.
Remember, if you give us statistics to back up your retort,
CITE YOUR SOURCES.
Sheeaatt bra,
Even if the economy was in a shambles, it wouldn't be Bush's fault.
9/11
The War
Hurricane Katrina
Come on dog, the economy SHOULD be a mess, I'm just glad it isn't.
Now, when you give your weak ass
" The sky is falling...the sky is falling, Bush is ruining the country" retort, be sure and cite your sources. That's the way an honest man does things.
CHALE....homeboy puts the shit out
for real.
After all the talk and numbers are thrown around, I say fuck it----I just look at what I see with my eyes. The young married kids today are buying homes. Even the middle class ones. It wasn't like that a generation ago. You had to rent for a few years (even if you had a decent paying job) and save your ass off to be able to afford a home in the burbs.
I'm not a Bush fan, but hey, from what I see things arent all that bad with the economy. I am a Dodger fan, and they continue to draw more than three million a year, even when they lose.
When I go to Dodger games, Laker games, the L.A. Fair, to a restaraunt on a Saturday night, the places are more crowded than ever. It doesnt look to me like we are hurting to bad in LA.
(I can't believe you expect John Q. Public to believe that nothing more than a "Free-for-all" for those "Unfortunate" inmates being introduced to non-seg is inevitable.)
OK, then, doomsday naysayer. Try this one on for size: Believe whatever you choose to believe! If it's blood you want to prove you right, then root for blood.
Let's believe and promote that CDC guards are all monsters who relish the idea of lowlifes taking each other out. While you're at it, let's indict the entire LE community while we're at it.
Who needs law and order. Here's a toast to anarchy and the "rule of the land".
I don't think he's rooting for blood. Although his statements could be interpreted as an
indictment of all LE, I don't think
tha are his intentions either.
I think he's indicting the system
giving in to the PC crap that is engilfing our society.
But, instead of "Admonishing" you, for following the likes of Gray Davis...we should "Fall into ranks" behind you...you are doing a job no man wants.
Doesn't sound like an adversray to LE in my book. He sounds like a realist.
Although he is confused about the difference between Sheriff's Deputies nand Prison Guards.
To tijuanajailor,
Thank you for answering my comments.
I moved to this location, as I mentioned, 12 years ago, things were quite different then. Not too long after that, a cruise ship load of Iranian and Persian immigrants were dropped off here, our mayor was of Iranian descent, so it seemed like an appropriate town to place them, which changed the dynamic drastically, Now enter the Iraqi immigrants and we are inundated. AP is a big problem, not here, per se, they do there business in Hollywood, North Hollwood, i.e. the Valley, but live here. TVR and Frogtown, are a stones throw away and like to come here for their business, THIS WAS a very quiet neighborhood then. I would move but rent is still relatively low, it's a security building and still fairly new and well kept, no druggies live here, my step dad is the manager, so I have family, it's quiet except for the kids, of course. I used to live in a very nice Single family residence in a nice neighborhood until my previous husband and I separated and moved here by my mom. So, I stay. I never thought it would get so hot over here, the town used to have one of the lowest crime rates around. So much for that.
My Apache/Aztec husband is not inside for a violent crime or drug related crime, his "friend" gave us a car to use while mine was in the shop and low and behold it turned out to be a G ride, we were pulled over and ordered to get out of the car with our hands up and I had to ask if I could undo my seat belt, I wasn't really scared, even though they could have shot me if I made a wrong move, I was mad, cause they had 20 guns pulled on us and the bird upstairs and everything, it was kind of overkill I thought but I didn't know what was going on, I recognized a couple of the cops from my old job and they recognized me, so I told them to take it easy with me, I had to lay down on the ground like a piece of crap, I don't see the glamour in getting busted, I knew I would be let go cause I hadn't done anything wrong and they were as shocked to see me as I was to be handcuffed, I still had to sit in the hold for two hours. Our story was the same and they let me go and said my old man would be out in a couple of days.
Yeah right! That was last May and court went on for 6 months until he finally took a deal cause our "friend" couldn't be involved due to his situation, he denied any involvement whatsoever.
I guess you are only "friends" until you are looking at alot of time, that's why I'm pissed, the "friend" denied he loaned it to us and he had already been inside for a month and I had visited him and everything, he had to deny cause he would have received an added charge of receiving stolen property and that for sure would have given him some time besides the time he was looking at, but in reality he hadn't stolen it, he had taken it from someone as collateral, small details unbeknownst to us, after he got arrested the owner reported it stolen, we already had it for a month. I have never been arrested, detained or anything in my life, my old man was almost in tears cause he never wanted me to be in trouble because of him or his people which is why we are quite upset with this "friend", sounds like he set us up or something, but my old man has a prior from 15 years ago and was on probation, so they gave him 2 years with half for general purposes.
So yes, we made a bad judgment call collectively, but I have no record, so they didn't charge me.
Whew! I wouldn't be able to handle that, I don't think.
Have you heard about the 35% they are going to take off for non-violent offenders? I haven't seen it anywhere yet.
So back to the bloodshed issue,
Neways, my old man, is in a Level I CCI yard, already with mixed company and is a registered Native American, He gets along pretty well within, cause he has a lot of friends and he is well respected.
. .
Would a Level I yard be affected by the CDC integration and could it be a volatile situiation since it is a Gym setting?
When he was at county, the blacks were always yelling and trying to stir shit and one time, right next to my old man's cell
this black guy started yapping and a southsider started chanting and then the phone was dropped, my old man said they were waiting for that and to hold on.
and I listenened for 15 min. while the shit hit the fan. They couldn't close the gates fast enough, sounded terrible, next thing I hear, someone picks up the phone and blows in it and hangs if up. It scared the shit out of me.
I had a friend who was a trustee and he called me right away and asked if I knew what happened, isn't that funny, he was directly below in the day room and said it sounded like a stampede up there. They ended up in lock down for 7 days,
they were stripped to their underwear and had to crawl to the day room and sit there for hours. Another friend was 1 tier up and saw the whole thing. He could still call out.
It was just before my old man caught the chain, I only got to talk to him a couple of times before he left, but different guys, when transfered, would call to let know what was going on.
In REC and CCI, we can't talk and that sucks, so we out here are in the dark. It makes it tough on the families, not knowing what's up until we get a letter, I'm a little worried at the moment because he was writing everyday and now I haven't heard from him for a week.
And to Mr. Anonymous,
Mrs. Apache/Axtec did not write RE: "The legal question thus becomes, etc.
That was CROW, but thanks, my fear is the destruction of life, of course, as regards to the racial balance in there, it will be every man for himself and only the strong will survive, so they better get in shape, I see a lot of scrawny guys in there, they better start pumping up, huh?
The word from Wayside was that the Big Homies at PB were sending word to drum up shit. Right after that, San Quentin than Chino rioted, as well as, Calipatria (my friend's cousin was the inmate that got killed) and Lancaster had a protest.
Do you think the Big Homies are testing the waters so to speak? Checking?
I am glad to see, the real plans won't be implemented intil 2007, my old man will be home way before then and we can watch it on the news or read Wally's blog here, where you can find info on EVERYTHING or maybe I'll get a line from some one inside.
Sorry about Sapo! He had a life sentence, I guess he was doing what he liked to pass the time. H is a hard way to die. I lost my step-brother who had gotten out after a 10 year hitch, and tried to get off the stuff, started chipping and died, he was only 39 years old, finally had a family and two babies, going straight for the first time in his life, he was AB.
Don't laugh but I have 6 members of my family that are in Ventura County Sheriff's, Simi Valley PD and Ontario PD, I also know hundreds of LAPD and Sheriff's due to my previous job somewhere in LA,
that's why I mentioned earlier I know alot of people on both sides
and don't mix the one life I lead with the other. My boyfriend prior to my husband, was an LAPD DET.
and at the time I was in an abusive relationship with my first husband and found myself in that world, another story.
I also have a cousin who is a CO. I'm bound to hear something from somewhere, I'll be in touch
P.S
I wrote an e-mail to Wally regarding a sensitive issue...
he must be in Iraq or some country where they don't have computers.
I was going to post that story
but maybe I'll wait, it's actually pretty interesting and would give you all a lot to talk about.
Keep you busy until Wally gets back.
Correction:
TJailor NOT Crow wrote: "the legal question just becomes... sorry!
To Anonymous,
Also, re: Baja, I've been fishing there 3 times, on the Sea of Cortez. We stayed at La Pinta Inn in Loredo,Baja,Sur
Lots of retired Americans, you are right, and the people love us in that beautiful little town. It is just so darned hot, by 9:00 am, you've caught blue fin and yellow fin and rooster and and and you are drunk off your ass by noon, siesta til 2:00, scuba diving for lobster,
in town they cook it any way you want and only charge for the place setting and they get some of your fish. Corona's, Pacifico's and Sol bear are only 50 cents. Imports like Bud are expensive.
I love that place and would move there but alas, I have to work and 50 cents an hour for a wage, wouldn't cut it.
I don't know why people cross the border and come here. The water is enough to keep you there. The rest is all desert and HOT!
Orale!
Thanks anonoymus for the reply to my thoughts on our "justice system".
My contention that the "system" has and is failing due to massive inequities and even more diabolical, that economics and avarice by our leaders, and an almost disdain for our citizens is evident to all except those in power or those who are afraid of the awful truth.
According to the "US Dept of Justice", "US census bureau", Wikipedia Enceclopedia",
"By country the US prison population is the worlds largest (2004 statistics) with more than 2 million people incarcerated" China with 4 times the population of US had a prison population of around 1 million. The US rate of incarceration is 686 people in jail per 100,000 citizens, 5 to 8 times the rate of any Western European country.
1.3 million US prisoners are "non violent" offenders which is a 77% increase in the last 20 years.
The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world and many penologists say this is due to longer sentences, especially for non-violent crimes.
The LA County Jail averages over 2,000 mentally ill inmates at any given time, and over 6,000 doses of physcotropic drugs are given daily.
In the US, "private prison companys" are among the fastest growing and most lucrative of US corporations.
The private prison industry's "American Correctional Association" and their lobbyist's (ex Republican Ca. Gov Dukmejian at the top) advocates legislation for harsher (draconian) laws. The fear among reformers is that this will inevitably lead to imprisoning more individuals.
According to the US Gov Accouting OFfice, the US taxpayers spent 24 Billion dollars for incarceration costs in 2004 which is higher than the entire 16.6 billion dollars spent for welfare which provides service to 8.5 million people.
So to answer anonymous's contention that we have more people in jail because we're "softer on crime" and don't jail people for lessor offenses I have to say BS the proof is the opposite.
And to the answer to my contention that decriminalization (I never said legalize!) would cause more people to use drugs, also BS. SHit I can't find a good Cuban Cigar most of the time, but I can score crack, smack, speed, weed, whatever on any streetcorner of any city in AMerica de voladas.
So I again pose the question, what do we do to change our descent into the dark ages and become the democracy that was respected by the world.
What happened to all the "giants" we had in our history? Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt, FDR, JFK, etc; Now we have midgets and small minded leaders corrupted and confused by the power they have been intrusted with.
Valga Dios!
Well, well there it is the tide is changing, did you all see it last nite on ch. 2 news. An OC meeting on immagration and law enforcement that went bad when the speaker[chicano] was attack'd by the cops and manhandeled out. I told you times are changing and the youth are coming around, thoughts are being changed and the sprit is being challenged and inspired to mobilize. You can deny it all you want clown me about all you want but its coming! And thanks to DQ the item above is more informotive then s#$t, if you can find anything wrong with what he posted man you're blind.
Up with the Revolution!!
REVOLUTION? ARE YOU ON CRACK WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOU SOUND SO FUCKEN STUPID,THE US IS GOING TO IMPOSE STRONGER IMMIGRATION LAWS THANKS TO THE STUPID PAISAS FROM LA MARA SALVATRUCHA THAT ARE FUCKING UP THE PROGRAM FUCK THEM CERROTES AND YOU FOR BEING SO STUPID.
>>An OC meeting on immagration and law enforcement that went bad when the speaker[chicano] was attack'd by the cops and manhandeled out.<<
If by “revolution” you mean being thrown out on your ass, then you're right, that's a great example.
So, DQ, you think the sentences handed out are to draconian?
Hmmmm, and we have more incarecerated than anyone else.
And your answer to the problem is
SHORTER SENTENCES?
Are you fucking nuts or what? You think at the rate people are breaking the law now the answer is to say: "ok, now there's less of a price to pay for your criminal activity"?
All thinly veiled attempts for you to advocate your position that drugs should be legalized. That was addressed by another poster and I agree with him completely.
Come on dude, if our jail system was THAT bad people wouldn't keep going back for chickenshit beefs.
I've been to jail, as long as you're not a punk it's not that bad. A lot of the guys there trade their freedom for long stretches for living the high life while they are on the streets. It's a conscious choice they make. From day one mafiosi's make that choice. Jail is just what they do. They'd rather live like that than go to work every day and live a boring life. They ARE WILLING to trade their freedom for the life.
I wonder if they would make that choice if the minute you got to jail you got treated "midevil" or "dracoinian".
You can place these these names on our "system", but that doesn't make it accurate. Look how much heat that Sheriff in Arizona takes for making prisoners live in tents in the desert, NO DIFFERENT THAN OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ!!!!!!
Then you got the ACLU and the PC police telling our penal institutions that they gotta do this and gotta do that for the prisones. Bottom line is, it isn't that bad. If it was, let me reiterate it again, people wouldn't make the conscious decisions they do to committ little chickenshit crimes and go back.
It all goes hand in hand with the civil liberties we have, and people
pushing the envelope and taking advantage.
The answer DEFINITELY is not to decriminalize more things.
That's giving in to the lowest common denominator and gearing our laws towards rewarding the law breakers in our society.
BULLSHIT!!!!!
Anonymous said...
Well, well there it is the tide is changing, did you all see it last nite on ch. 2 news. An OC meeting on immagration and law enforcement that went bad when the speaker[chicano] was attack'd by the cops and manhandeled out. I told you times are changing and the youth are coming around, thoughts are being changed and the sprit is being challenged and inspired to mobilize. You can deny it all you want clown me about all you want but its coming! And thanks to DQ the item above is more informotive then s#$t, if you can find anything wrong with what he posted man you're blind.
Up with the Revolution!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Don Quixote,
Ever give any thought that fuck ups like this guy are the reason so many people go to jail???????
No?
THAT'S FIGURES!!!!!!!
COME IN OFF THE LEDGE DON QUIXOTE,
Come on, come back inside,
IT'S ONLY A FOOTBALL GAME!!!!
in the la.weekly atricle''avenues of death'',it stated that benny'sleepy' would be testafieing in september against 'gangster'marquez..any 1 have any info on what happened?
ORALE eSe!
who wrote this:
"Come on dude, if our jail system was THAT bad people wouldn't keep going back for chickenshit beefs.
I've been to jail, as long as you're not a punk it's not that bad. A lot of the guys there trade their freedom for long stretches for living the high life while they are on the streets. It's a conscious choice they make. From day one mafiosi's make that choice. Jail is just what they do. They'd rather live like that than go to work every day and live a boring life. They ARE WILLING to trade their freedom for the life.
I wonder if they would make that choice if the minute you got to jail you got treated "midevil" or "dracoinian".
You can place these these names on our "system", but that doesn't make it accurate. Look how much heat that Sheriff in Arizona takes for making prisoners live in tents in the desert, NO DIFFERENT THAN OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ!!!!!!
Then you got the ACLU and the PC police telling our penal institutions that they gotta do this and gotta do that for the prisones. Bottom line is, it isn't that bad. If it was, let me reiterate it again, people wouldn't make the conscious decisions they do to committ little chickenshit crimes and go back.
It all goes hand in hand with the civil liberties we have, and people
pushing the envelope and taking advantage.
The answer DEFINITELY is not to decriminalize more things.
That's giving in to the lowest common denominator and gearing our laws towards rewarding the law breakers in our society.
BULLSHIT!!!"
The rant sounds like gava, but after reading it over again makes sence.
I agree. That shit makes sence. And its pretty stright up true. My only question to him, how old are you? and how long were you locked up? that vato made sence.
I caught a couple hot ones in YA, did a run in Soledad in 82' back in the mix in Tehachapi, clean up since. your words make sence for this old timer. Once Alice Baker gava? were you in Los Pino's? YGC?
you sound familiar. heard that befor and you sound like bryan from silver acres. did you know doug porter? any of the 5th street vatos SA? orale eSe
MOTOWNxOC
I'm 44 years old. Don't know any of those guys you name. I did my time at the Colo. pen, early-mid 80's in old Canon City joint.
Never been tipped up with anyone.
I used to go on and on about the
penal system being fucked up and how we need to change the system, gear it towards rehabilitation instead of punishment and that whole trip.
But when I think back, and I'm honest with myself, all I was doing was making excuses and trying to justify my decisions to
take foolish chances and make A LOT
of easy money. I knew the game, I knew the price if I got caught, and I chose to go ahead and mule some shit. Then when I caught the beef I was bitter. I was immature
and young. Now, I don't take those chances anymore, because I'm not willing to go back. I'm not willing to trade my freedom for big money, cars, hynas, $5000 nights on the town, and all the other shit that goes with the life.
I WAS WILLING TO DO IT THEN. The trade-off was worth it to me, so I took my chances. It's no different
today. These kids get locked up for shit because they are willing to risk their freedom for the reward of big money, reputation, respect, or whatever. If it WAS as bad as that one vato makes it out to be inside, they wouldn't do it.
You CAN choose to get out of the life. Shit man, how many old veteranos are out there now living like citizens? A bunch. There out there, you know it and I know it.
Prison is a young mans game, so when you're young you take those chances. Once you are in, you make a decision if this life is for you or if you'll go another direction.
I was fortunate that I didn't come from a varrio so I wasn't expected to clique up with anybody.
Yeah, I'm different from the majority, but it's not like I'm a rare case. Like I say, we're out there.
I just responded to that vato because he makes it out like it's
hard labor, abusive staff and what not, and it isn't.
IF it was, you just might have a lot of these kids saying "fuck that", I aint taking a chance on going there.
I made the choices I made because I had some older guys telling me it wasn't that bad, that as long as you weren't a rat, a short eyes,
or a loudmouth you would be alright if you could handle yourself. After enough of them told me this, I decided the reward ($$$$) was worth the risk. Plain and simple.
there it is. straight up and
on the mark.
StillNoClue,....
I mean Script,
Where's your answer for the vato?
Occupying force or liberating force?
Answer the vatos question. Don't give us some long winded speach to
try and show us how educated and worldly you are, JUST ANSWER THE VATOS QUESTION.
Que paso Payaso
IRAQ ISNT EXPERIENCING FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY, ITS A CHANGING OF THE FUCKING GUARD FACILITATED BY THE OCCUPIER. THE SUNNIS USED TO OPPRESS THE SHIAS AND NOW THE SHIAS OPPRESS THE SUNNIS. FUCK THAT DEMNOCRACY BULLSHIT. ITS SIMPLY A SWITCH IN OPPRESSORS FUNDED BY OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS AND LOST LIVES. AND IT AINT THE SECULAR SHIAS WERE HELPING, ITS THOSE FOOLIOS WITH CLOSE TIES TO IRAN WERE HELPING OVER THERE. BUSH, CHENEY , AND RUMSFELD ARE ALL DRAFT DODGERS QUICK TO SEND OTHERS KIDS TO DIE FOR THE HUGE TAX DOLLAR FUNDED CONTRACTS THEIR COMPANIES WILL GET. THEY ALREADY WON PENDEJOS. AND YET, I STILL THINK THIS IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH. I'M TRYING TO GET INTO OFFICER SCHOOL BECAUSE I LIKE WAR AND UNCLE SAM REALLY IMPRESSED ME WITH THE FREE COLLEGE EDUCATION HE GAVE ME. BUT I REALIZE IT WAS UNCLE SAM WHO DID THAT, NOT BUSH.
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